no ide ask f2f
#pvp
viscid remnant
@clear pulsar
tiny oar
what the fuck lol
skirms are such a cesspool bro
swear im playing 1v5 against my own teammates
viscid remnant
YES
edgy shale
DEFintely do thread of fates and do all the objective bounties in all the places cuz it gives mad renown
also use ur the 40 renown thing at 50
and u can hit 60 with 80 renown nearlyu
devout steppe
What mog is this?!
edgy shale
playing 2s w/ a marks hunter and we lose a game. After he just says... "dont you know arcane is terrible? Don't play arcane."
its like bruh. why rnt u bm then
rich crag
Pretty horrible to think that someone would feel entitled enough to tell you what you "should choose" to play in a game you are generally doing for fun.
edgy shale
ya we are in mordor rating too
safe heart
i remember in s1 having almost every healer after the first game be like "oh youre not convoke?"
rich crag
Having trouble staying connected and getting into the game atm grr
Korthia and world server down grr
tiny oar
What mog is this?!
rich crag
Should I level up my kyrian renown I think i read somewhere it might be decent next patch
viscid remnant
lvl 60 69 renown legendary
edgy shale
LEGENDARY
rotund oak
the current arena guides for boomie barely mention kindred affinity. Is it better than dreambinder for 2s and 3s ?
clear pulsar
Its bis if you can bond a necrolord dps
viscid remnant
helo guys iam bm player where is my rating and bitches
tiny oar
My dms are open if you're down bad
I am down bad and an egirl in training
Every day getting a lil better tho 💚
viscid remnant
hm now iam not sure whatto buy crafted 230 glove and 200 neck or just 230 neck and fuck the glove
tiny oar
Glove got agi ram that shit fuck a neckpiece
tiny oar
viscid remnant
monkaW
viscid remnant
i lost monkaW
lime light
xD
tiny oar
xd
devout steppe
Thanks!!
junior plover
i bought kroatian weapon
tiny oar
We use the same tabard
😊
clear pulsar
tiny oar
nice looks
viscid remnant
viscid remnant
Good name though
sinful storm
is dh boomy still good with a rdruid
lime light
once again, against all odds
edgy shale
TEST YOUR MIGHT
clear pulsar
It's not bad
lime light
most of the rets cannot play this game, without one shoting via divine toll
it is terrible for 90% of the rets
fotm rerollers
its actually trash
no win condition
lime light
@viscid remnant where u at
junior plover
In Israel probably
rich crag
@lime light A lot of those fellers sit outside korthia emote spamming in packs of 3, using elixir of tongues to call your 205 alt a coward, while they run back into the safe zone whenever it's "not safe" or there's challenging / similar ilevel opponents 🙂
mellow granite
once again, against all odds
Have no idea where pvpers have room for so many macros and keybinds
How tf do you click all those 
rich crag
You memorize the keybinds
mellow granite
Even if you remember them how do you reach buttons like f7 without it being super awkward, maybe my hands are just too small 
safe heart
mouse buttons
rich crag
Well a good thing to do is get g600 or something mouse and you can bind modifiers
rich crag
The g600 has a neat little third kinda "gshift" button that you can bind to alt and then can use alt/shift/ctrl with your abilities. I recommend putting things kind of coherently and efficiently. (For druids, its a bit more complex, but you can bind certain keys to abilities based on forms, and you can also do help/harm)
rich crag
I can't lie if you are not used to it, will take some time to get used to for sure on each spec.
But it sure is worth it cuz it's tough to play the game with limited bindings for sure as you said.
Since a lot of keys are simply "not cozy" to use.
mellow granite
I have a few macros for certain spells on party1 etc but that’s as far as I can get with what I’m used to
Still getting used to using alt and stuff
rich crag
I have one keybind that rips in cat form, starurges in boomkin, and ironfurs in bear. Keep in mind as a druid you need to also get confortable on a form key or multiple. (Like when brutal slash, it will cat form first if not in that form, etc.)
You can save a lot if you can also get comfortable with say putting remove curse on a bind with a damage so that if you mouse over / target a good guy it will do that or the damage spell if on a bad guy.
mellow granite
I have it so my first bar where my main abilities are changes with form but that’s about it
Not really spent much time on my bars for pvp
And frankly idk where I’d start xd
rich crag
Yeah I don't really use bars just optimized macros
I can help in a bit need to work out be back in a bout an hour 🙂
mellow granite
I’ve gotta head off due to work in the morning but thanks for the offer
viscid remnant
<@!247410790083198976> where u at
I was asleep
forest kite
They seem to have nerfed convoke for balance, it threw 4 starsurges and still does that for pve but in pvp its now only 3 starsurges
clear pulsar
Convoke spells arent deterministic
It's random with some priorities
There is an 'average' convoke cast
But big variance
From cast to cast
It isn't fully random, it follows some rules loosely but
No such thing as pve convokes always being 4 surges and pvp 3
forest kite
Just did about 30 games and all the games we played that we got full convokes off it was always 3 starsurges
going to a dummy, with 3 targets first convoke i do without dotting them gets me 4 starsurges
viscid remnant
@clear pulsar 🙏
Back at work the most miserable thing in life
Some1 put a bullet in my head ty
junior plover
Just get a better job 
junior plover
Ofc
viscid remnant
Prob like 40 hours a week
junior plover
But it's better than working just for monies
viscid remnant
Doing the same shit every day
junior plover
Feels a lot better
junior plover
Wanting to die
Start dropshipping socks from AliExpress to israel
Legendary entrepreneurship
junior plover
Fak
viscid remnant
Hooligan
junior plover
viscid remnant
I might be delusional but this guy is kinda fire doe https://open.spotify.com/track/5d2fEfIzQz67c3YQ2trVnE?si=vRRc4CzBSqiLciB1bJ8Olg
lime light
@mellow granite weird binds are on scimitar mouse
@viscid remnant i prepared hpal to carry your bm hunter
viscid remnant
viscid remnant
Iam at work
lime light
Wtf
lime light
Not cool
lime light
No
viscid remnant
Idk when
viscid remnant
No
viscid remnant
Not in this job
lime light
Its a small step to victory
viscid remnant
Banning the r word is the most libral soydrinking donkeyfucking thing in the worlds
unreal jewel
surreal heron
cool
edgy oxide
Yeah warden easily does though
edgy oxide
That’s pretty cringe
edgy oxide
Have a better name prepared
Same with this, just use better words
I know it’s hard for you though
edgy oxide
There you go, you just described your work
edgy oxide
There’s more expressive words
viscid remnant
Not for me
edgy oxide
Definitely sounds like a you problem : (
viscid remnant
Ye maybe
I will keep writing it and warden will keep deleting it notmuch i can do
I dont wanna be that guy but ppl are getting really soft like
I rememb the internet used to be so toxic but now every discord server is extremely moderated anti anything that might be considered "toxic"
Nothing i can do
And iam not even that old
But i was still the scoundrel flaming ppl on cod and cs it is what it is
edgy oxide
Tbh it’s just pointless to say it, if you want to insult someone, there’s a million better ways of doing it, same with insulting your work
viscid remnant
edgy oxide
Use some creativity
viscid remnant
You have been brainwashed into thinking that, the r word is a good ol fash insult
Same with the f word
edgy oxide
It’s boring
unreal jewel
🕵️
viscid remnant
Lizard brain
edgy oxide
And about being brainwashed or whatever, languages change, and it’s more frowned upon using that sort of language, but I found those insults lacking in creativity even before the shift was more popular
unreal jewel
If your message is deleted when you type a specific word, don't use that word
simple
viscid remnant
Smart
edgy oxide
Don’t be a silly goose
lime light
I will release David
viscid remnant
🙏
edgy oxide
Release him from his mortal coil?
viscid remnant
I will never give up no matter what i shall press on through the brink of despair
I shall root out all of the scoundrels that try to bring me down by the power of a thousand suns
edgy shale
legendary
tardy hare
Gold
lime light
Come backing yet @viscid remnant
pallid star
Hi! a question? As druid when do you play Germination / Flourish i mostly play 2s :)
ty! also whats the thing with flourish is it to boost all hots ofc during burst?
lime light
@viscid remnant kid?
junior plover
Good signature
lime light
what
viscid remnant
dont ned gamer pants
viscid remnant
obtuse ice
🙏
clear pulsar
ty! also whats the thing with flourish is it to boost all hots ofc during burst?
It's good vs purge spam teams cuz you can extend your Cenarion Ward, which is your stronger hot and unpurgeable, for a really long time
lime light
junior plover
Very cool
tiny oar
Nice graphic very informative
viscid remnant
Its also more emotional
lime light
lime light
i cannot tell more
lime light
no
quick lintel
dang
viscid remnant
Ddint u resuv
Scoundrel
Or what
U have screenshot of ur character on ur desktop
junior plover
No I actually ctrl+fd this channel
lmao
i posted it here 10 months back
aka 1 season ago
viscid remnant
Pog
lime light
anyone wanna watch Amouranth dancing?
junior plover
depends
surreal heron
stop
obtuse ice
viscid remnant
El patron smelled him
lime light
all the time
junior plover
surreal heron
forest kite
can i bring bear form into pvp or does it lack dmg compared to protection paladin?
safe heart
Not serious question right
safe heart
Guardian
safe heart
You can play guardian I'm RBG's but not in arena
Guardian can't do anything useful in arena but is S tier in rbg
forest kite
what about 2v2?
safe heart
No
tardy hare
When the cast cancels early
U got it macro'd with something?
safe heart
Guardian is useless in 2s and 3s
You don't any damage, any off healing nothing
All you can do is do a worthless convoke for negative dam and be ignored while your partner dies
Same for 3s
forest kite
ok but what druid spec works for 2s or are druid useless in pvp?
safe heart
No, druids are really good in 2s and 3s , just not guardian
forest kite
what spec:)
safe heart
Feral , balance and resto are all good
Resto is very strong healer, necro feral farms with jungle
Boomie is also good if you play with monks as kyrian
forest kite
while your at it what covenant should i pick for feral
lime light
boomie ww got replaces by boomie necro dh
ww dies too easy, even tho they bring broken rng one shots
safe heart
Necro or nf
lime light
but they die too easly to bm jungle and rmp
forest kite
ok
safe heart
And prot pally is a meme already
tardy hare
Prot pal still strong after last nerf?
safe heart
Probably not
They won't heal enough
Prot paladin is essential a higher dps healer
So
lime light
they are still doing 50k WoG's
safe heart
Even after 85% nerf ? Lol
tardy hare
Yee
lime light
if u play like a donkey ruskis
fast games
u guardian one guy right after gates open
safe heart
Alright well then prot pal still viable healer but brewmaster, veng, prot war, guardian all useless
lime light
bop / sac other
tardy hare
But wasnt sure how fat the talent was
lime light
and u press your moiunt ability
u rush the disc priest
and u kill in 20 sec
or u leave
safe heart
Play ashen while you're at it
safe heart
(Me)
forest kite
windwalker monk or feral druid for 2s?
forest kite
ok simple question should i level up a druid or monk as next alt
i allready have both at 50
but which one should i care to grind renown with
safe heart
I mean that's up to you more than anything
Windwalker does insane 1 shot rng damage and will probably farm other players harder than feral unless you commit to being good at feral
tardy hare
Literally whichever you enjoy more
safe heart
Yeah its kinda up to you
Don't know how to pick for you
forest kite
so hard to decide
tardy hare
Play some on both
safe heart
Do you wanna be a cat
forest kite
Do you wanna be a cat
yeah
safe heart
forest kite
i plan on using druid or monk for pve and druid shines pretty guid there but guys, who got better transmogs
in your opinions
hm
safe heart
I want boomie to disappear
safe heart
Soulshape to next game
Leave disc as speed bump
brave shuttle
safe heart
Yah but feral can play barkskin lego now
With convoke
I was thinking CS + NOW personally
The other dmg legos dont seem that great
Eye I guess kinda ok
safe heart
Idk if I wanna give up urisne for that but yeah convoke has enough damage that'd I'd appreciate the immunity to death
viscid remnant
red topaz
Rake > Fury > Feral frenzy > Swarm > Beserk > Rip > rake > Moonfire
correct openner for necrolord feral?
haughty compass
Convoke >
rich crag
Feral is more fun from my perspective once you become proficient esp if you enjoy 1v1s and stuff and it provides two amazing playstyles to choose from currently. Burst (NF) and bleed/rot(NL)
junior plover
Rake > Fury > Feral frenzy > Swarm > Beserk > Rip > rake > Moonfire
Moonfire before 2nd rake ever so slightly more optimal
Doesn't matter too much though
Keep in mind that Berserk is often not worth commiting in the opener as a rake stun and a swarmed feral frenzy + rip will almost always lead to a traded CD already
Necro feral can't kill through CDs before solid dampening so you're not achieving much by trying to push through them
edgy shale
cenarion ward
vague blade
But like pala and ww just seems to blast him.
edgy shale
there's no healer that can heal any class thru paly wings and ww burst at oncec
u need to cc or kite
tiny oar
Yerp
tranquil canopy
Hey I was doing some arenas and I couldnt cast rejuv because I was confused is that a holy priest of some kind?
tropic schooner
if a priest casted Thoughsteal on you yes you cant cast rejuv
tranquil canopy
ty so much
west sigil
i am playing SL for the first time, still leveling. As every expansion i can't decide whether to go balance or feral. I'd like to do rbgs so boomie would suit me better but then again, finding rbg teams is near to impossible so that leaves me with feral...
tropic schooner
safe heart
It doesn't sound like you're interested in feral so go boomie
vague mural
Hey guys, venthyr worgen feral is the best combo right? Im going all out with this fotm thing this time
lime light
ye and u erp in goldshire
vague mural
I do play on moon guard so thats a given
I do my erp as a warm up before each queue session
viscid remnant
🙏
rich crag
Feral is awesome in the sense that if you play well, even with less gear, it's one of those specs in SL that can actually embarrass higher geared mbs who don't lol...
Strength of the wild only triggers on other players, not on you right ?
(the regrowth thingy)
tardy hare
Strength of the wild only triggers on other players, not on you right ?
Correct
safe heart
Also it makes it socially appropriate to /meow at your enemy's corpses
junior plover
How are u teaching
Cuz i member all that
somehow in a year nothing changed in the game
hybrid flint
So quick question . Tiger’s fury breaks you out of stealth now ? I could swear it didn’t before
clear pulsar
It doesnt
lime light
very cool Davider
hybrid flint
I swear it does I am trying it now
viscid remnant
Try to fart it shall increase your velocity
safe heart
🐒
hybrid flint
Deserved
viscid remnant
Smol steps to return
west sigil
is it correct to assume that feral gameplay doesn't revolve primarily around bleeds anymore?
hybrid flint
What should I macro the trinket with them ?
Can’t do it with convoke , it breaks the channel
viscid remnant
is it correct to assume that feral gameplay doesn't revolve primarily around ble...
No
Necro feral is bleed focused
west sigil
and if I go NF?
viscid remnant
and if I go NF?
Then your assumption is correct
junior plover
If you go NF then you might not even wanna press rip ever
viscid remnant
However the meta is necro
junior plover
they're drastically different playstyles
fast kernel
Any input on why Draught should be made in chest and not neck?
lime light
put the trinket first
then convoker
@fast kernel chests were expensive early on, big stats with big ilvl
neck is easy to get and cheap
junior plover
iirc you should do
/use trinket
/stopcasting
/cast Convoke``` or it will sometimes breakat least that was from back when SL dropped
lime light
idk what mystery is stopcasting in this macro
junior plover
idk either
but in early SL it was breaking sometimes for me without it
and it fixed it
it was shared in this channel a lot
lime light
its some bullshit
fast kernel
I have draught on neck at 235 and ready to upgrade to 262. Do I need to make it on chest?
junior plover
lime light
u also could cancel cat form
and heal with convoke
not anymore ofc
it stops the cast now
junior plover
it stops the cast now
cringe
west sigil
i've always loved feral but playing around bleeds wasn't really my thing. NF could finally change it after years but when does it exactly start being inferior? it's not like i'm going to hit glad this expansion anyway
west sigil
yeah, rating
west sigil
i am referring to "necro is meta"
lime light
in 3s - depends dont have mucj experience with NF in 3s
u prolly want to play fmp
or flp
both covenants are good
necro is played more, cuz most of the ferals are the big bleeders
and thats how necro works
with decent single target bleed pressure
that cannot be kited
and big goes with swarm tiger fury and FF
that u need to connect for a global
west sigil
alright, and what happens to NF ferals in RBGs? not viable at all?
lime light
feral is not viable in RBG's in general
hybrid flint
@lime light thank you sir !! It works
west sigil
i wished something's changed in SL
lime light
feral would be fine in low rated rbgs
but ppl are gonna kick u
if u want to play rbgs, try boomking
or guardian
safe heart
I will hit glad as nf because I never give up
safe heart
2230
viscid remnant
Big
lime light
iam always honest
but i dont know NA
but if u were on EU
thats the worst rating u can be
safe heart
2.2?
lime light
2.1 till 2.3k and a little bit above
u will face
double r1
in 70-80% of the games
idk if thats a thing in NA
viscid remnant
NA rating is half of eu
safe heart
Nah you see r1s but not like every game
west sigil
well the problem is I love feral but there's no way i can find rbg teams, i managed to find an rbg guild at the beginning of BfA and after like 1400 rating it disbanded, that's my luck
viscid remnant
So 2.4 na is 1.2 eu
lime light
but i heard the same ppl that boost all the time in EU - are boosting in NA too
this is my favorite booster
with over 20k games i woulkd say
fast kernel
Those are a lot of games and wins!
fast kernel
Must play 50 hours per week or more.
fast kernel
Good for them to have that talent. I’m jealous!
fast kernel
https://tenor.com/view/kitty-meow-meow-hi-five-well-done-proud-of-you-gif-223110...
👍😆
👍
👍
clear pulsar
👎
lime light
Thyme is sleeping
clear pulsar
lime light
🙏
🙏 🙏
🙏 🙏 🙏
🙏 🙏
🙏
junior plover
well the problem is I love feral but there's no way i can find rbg teams, i mana...
If you wanna play feral all you can do is play Guardian and then on some maps they'll let u feral
altho boomie would be better
there's just nothing feral brings to an rbg team
lime light
not rly
clear pulsar
Thats not true
lime light
u can defend
clear pulsar
Feral is great at killing fcs
fast kernel
I have a good team that encourages feral
lime light
u have decent burst with convoke
clear pulsar
And capping points
lime light
the problem is, other classes are better
junior plover
lime light
in those
clear pulsar
Necro feral is terrific on offense
junior plover
Yeah thats what I mean
clear pulsar
And you have multiple stuns on top of roar and cyclone so you can actually solo cap people
lime light
warrior or dk is way better cleaver
clear pulsar
That have pets
fast kernel
Feral and rogue can take abase and hold it with some off heals pretty well
junior plover
Guardian holds better is the point
lime light
no
junior plover
much better
clear pulsar
This is just a garbage pov to take
WHAT DOES FERAL BRING THAT ROGUE DOESNT ECKS DEEEEEE
viscid remnant
Face
clear pulsar
Just shit perspective to start from, happens in pve channels all the time too
viscid remnant
Shadapman
lime light
iam not gonna argue about pve bracket
fast kernel
Awesome self heals and heals to others.
viscid remnant
Lidl trolol
junior plover
Feral loses to guardian on defense and generally loses to rogue on offense
can feral do better on offense?
ye sure
but rarely
most of the time u just slap a rogue in there and its better
that's my take
fast kernel
😱
junior plover
clear pulsar
Play what you like win games collect tears of enemy
junior plover
Ofc
clear pulsar
Stop being a lil bitch that rerolls cuz hurr durr rogue better
lime light
FACE U PLAYED FOKING 16 BGS
junior plover
Stop being a lil bitch that rerolls cuz hurr durr rogue better
Ofc
lime light
ok i didnt play a single one, iam not gonna talk
clear pulsar
I am speaking facts
junior plover
Im not saying dont play feral im just saying people arent gonna want to invite a feral and theres a solid reason for it
fast kernel
I think with the speed and bursts, feral are exceptional at dropping Flag carriers.
clear pulsar
You can keep your numbers
fast kernel
A decent RBG leader knows how to use feral effectively. Maybe I just have a great team but they are very feral friendly
junior plover
I mean either way the differences between specs arent huge, player skill is a much bigger factor
You can pilot a feral to the highest rating possible in RBG
fast kernel
I mean either way the differences between specs arent huge, player skill is a mu...
100%
west sigil
how do you guys find rbg teams (EU)? i'd like to start from 0 but i don't know of any teams that aren't toxic and with decent leaders
meager basin
you need to start with the toxic teams, when you get some rating you will be placed with better ppl
west sigil
i rather thought of a discord with like minded people
forest kite
My opinion: at low rating you cannot rely on getting good leaders. You want that, your better off picking up the job yourself. And toxic people are bound to show up, not a ton you can do about it apart from add people that aren’t to friends list and build from there
meager basin
try find communitiys, they are often filled with less toxic people
junior plover
There aren't really any open RBG communities for lower rated players
you pug until relatively high rating
hybrid flint
I am sick and tired of warriors man . Sometimes I stun and convoke them and they don’t take any damage . I am not familiar with the class, but what is that shield that they have ?
junior plover
I am sick and tired of warriors man . Sometimes I stun and convoke them and they...
Die by the sword allows them to parry all attacks that don't come from the back
lime light
ye warrior can parry when stunned KEKW
forest kite
Anybody can pug to 1600 with just time commitment. After that communities start to be interesting
lime light
its ignore pain + deff stance @hybrid flint
junior plover
ye warrior can parry when stunned KEKW
Well he said ANY damage
lime light
ignore pain lets them abosrb half of the dmg dealt to them
junior plover
viscid remnant
Real
lime light
the rage cost on it is pretty low compared to how much u gain
forest kite
Hey i have a question about covenants
which is better for feral adaptive swarm or convoke the spirits
cosmic yacht
swarm
glad aurora
Convoke relies on you actually getting the full cast off. Swarm is easier to use.
Most players are waiting to interrupt you if you're fae
cosmic yacht
takes a lot to setup a good convoke. you also lose your big shield by not being necro.
red topaz
Does anyone have a guide for jungle cleave comp
really struggling on what to do and how to tell my friends to play
they're a bit new
edgy shale
yo have u guys tried the new battlerite / wow arena clone called arena of kings?
its fun
fair mirage
what's the appeal
edgy shale
its just stolen from wow lol u just turn it on and play
fair mirage
but wow already has arena
edgy shale
its new and i've seen a lot of ppl from wowarena try it cuz its something different + 0 effort to start playing nd its fun
junior plover
I thought it was some stupid Chinese knockoff mobile game from the name
I didn't actually look into it
I do really want a wow arena competitor tho so I'll check it out
edgy shale
its 2D and looks like trash so I don't t hink its gonna be the new wow arena, but its def fun and worth DLing imo
its like 500 MB lo
fair mirage
you look very handsome
Wow, nice hat.
Yeah, and I doubt they'd ever risk trying to make it a separate thing.
tropic schooner
thanks, have been wearing it for a year already! just efficient
tbh I wouldnt expect pure wow arena to be very popular
im sure some people would enjoy, but for me personally I dont think id only play a game with arena and nothing else in it
fair mirage
Mhm. Similar thing with dungeons and raiding, honestly.
fair mirage
If you could queue a bis char for high keys right off the bat I'm sure that participation would fall off even harder, as most people are just on the gear treadmill instead of really being interested in pushing the content as far as they can.
clear pulsar
I mean
Surely a standalone game would mean different things come to it
More directed attention
Off game account progression
Cosmetics etc
fair mirage
They could've gone ahead and made some quality of life tweaks, though. Alt catchup and whatnot.
PvP in particular was a little too brutal for newbies/unskilled.
clear pulsar
Separate game name would also make it easier for people to put out and find content for it without getting mixed info from pve
fair mirage
Aaaaaa templates I need to be able to pick 5% more of a particular secondary or I can't have fun
Yeah. I imagine they stopped because people quit due to lack of progression.
Mop/wod at least had people grinding bgs for gear.
Even if the latter was 40% bots.
lmao
bright siren
do i farm conquest gear or honor gear with no pvp gear
fair mirage
I remember asking my feral how he opened a coke with one hand in the middle of a match and he's like I used both hands
fair mirage
do i farm conquest gear or honor gear with no pvp gear
You suffer
Game plan is to get working on arena asap and skip honor gear entirely because it's inefficient as shit
bright siren
i was geared when shadowlands dropped but i am just coming back
fair mirage
Having a friend or pve gear helps
crafted gear, too
tryna get like 210-220ish so you can function for a few secs in gutter mmr 2s
clear pulsar
Spam 2s. You will lose a lot early on but eventually you'll hit an mmr spot where you face other people with shit gear.
Dont stress over your winrate or whatever at this point, just farm conquest
You'll win later it takes like a 5 game winstreak to get out of that mmr range
fair mirage
ya wins is wins
fair mirage
bite the bullet and rated
junior plover
If riot made a wow arena game
fair mirage
once you're like 200ish ilev
bright siren
ok ty
junior plover
Nah
fair mirage
Yeah, I'm sure they'll eat the raiding/keystone audience.
Hope they do a decent open world and pvp.
junior plover
Yeah the riot MMO is coming as well we'll see where that goes
It's too bad arena is such an untapped genre
Cuz it's locked behind stupid walls inside of a subscription based mmo that most "esports" games players don't care about
So people don't even know they like it cuz they will never try it
fair mirage
WoW in general is poorly structured for most modern audiences
junior plover
Yeah
fair mirage
like imagine trying to explain to some zoomer how to keybind and write macros
when he can just hop into a BR or moba and be good to go
junior plover
There's too many spells in general anyway
Less spells but each should be more meaningful
There's a thousands issues with arena but it's fundamentally a really good genre and only a single game exists in this genre
That's just so weird
It's kinda like smash bros until a few years back
haughty compass
Yes
edgy shale
ya it was nice for getting ppl to pvp. I can live without ppl getting 233 ilvl weapon before denathrius was even kiled by limit
that part was dumb as hell
fair mirage
Then they gutted it and participation fell off a cliff
junior plover
Eh i don't like the idea of forcing people to play anyway
Make arena something people wanna play
Sure we need incentives for people to try it
clear pulsar
Tons of people only play anything in wow for the power progression of their characters
Which is why you'll hear from all raiders that m+ is irrelevant
junior plover
Totally
But these people will always just come and go as the rewards change
They will never be a part of the pvp community
So why should I care that they queue
fair mirage
CMs were dead after people got the rewards
junior plover
A vast majority of them will never get to a high rating regardless
fair mirage
Nobody plays content because they like it
clear pulsar
CUz you need people to queue against?
junior plover
They're just padding the bottom
Yeah but all I'm saying is this is a band aid solution
fair mirage
Strip rewards and 90-95% of people stop doing it
junior plover
There's an inherent reason why the playerbase of people who actually wanna play arena is dying
fair mirage
WoW players need the treadmill or their brains shut off
fair mirage
I mean the game as a whole is just old
the format isn't appealing and they can't really fix it
beyond going back to mop/wod gearing
which people also hated
junior plover
Idk I don't think gearing is that much of an issue
I think people hate that it's been 10 months since a solid meta shift
That we go 4+ months without a balance patch with clearly overpowered specs
That you have chores to do outside of arena that you don't care for but you have to do cuz arena is still wow
fair mirage
I feel like I've queued into everything except a few tank specs
just queued into a demo/aff/hpal
junior plover
Meta diversity isn't bad because people always play what they wanna play
But some specs are miles ahead of others in terms of how easy it is to pilot them to high rating
fair mirage
So many specs and covenants and legendaries and comps
Suddenly MM/wizard standing in a triangle and blowing people away
or Kyrian boomie empowering a ww/warrior/sp to vaporize everything
frost mages back from the dead slinging out 30k frost bolts
junior plover
My personal frustration with arena before I stopped queueing was that I would queue into a BM hunter who didn't know half his buttons at 2.3k mmr
And barely beat him if even
SL launch was the same with arms warr
It's always like this - roll FOMO and you can be half asleep and climb, roll a weaker spec and you have to look for every window to squeeze a win
fair mirage
there really aren't many weak specs though
junior plover
No other game I've ever played did this poor of a job balancing the roster while also making it so difficult to queue as a different character
junior plover
Nothing seems that week in a vacuum, as you can pilot literally any spec to r1
But try to pilot a non meta spec and you'll have to work 10x harder and just be much better
I actually think SL specs are some of the most balanced we've ever had in wow
It's just that there's always 1 or 2 outliers at the top and nothing is done about them for months
HPala was the only good healer for the entirety of 9.0
How does that happen?
It was so good that even if you had a ret on your team you'd bring a hpala
RMP turned into RMPala
Just ridiculous
fair mirage
Similar thing now with both restos tbh
although not quite to that degree
actually seeing people play all the healers, which is nice
junior plover
Yeah admittedly the meta seems pretty fucking good right now, I just haven't played for a while so I'm mostly venting from 9.0 9.0.5
fair mirage
like I actually see every spec except like destro and tanks
actually saw two mlds
yeah in and out for edgy dragon
then off to random bgs to demolish boomers
least class sets are kind of back although i wish there was something in the right between glad and r1
no reason to even push glad on alts any more because it's acc-wide now
paperweight mount
maiden viper
does hibernate remove dots? what about incap roar
clear pulsar
Hibernate should remove dots
No?
Idk I never cast it cuz I'm not a traitor of the species
But those cc dont remove dots in pve anyways
Blind poly
Only in pvp
junior plover
Casting hibernate on a player is illegal
fair mirage
society 
clear pulsar
Exactly I knew kiosk was a good one
tiny oar
Idk I never cast it cuz I'm not a traitor of the species
Hibernate removes dots can confirm I hib mordor ferals all the time to piss them off
I cast it on rdruids too if they're getting a little cheeky
Druid brake checking in arena
See if their brain cells r on
tiny oar
Ya call me an idiot all yall want who's the real idiot me or the druid at 2400 cr who catches my hib off air when I dont even have a mage on my team
tiny oar
Its good for dropping combat too
Fake a regrowth throw out a randie hib re in their dumb warriors mouth and rake their throat out 👍
viscid remnant
Ok
clear pulsar
That's my secret
I never shift out of roots
Just sit that mf I know it's a BAIT
And I dont take BAITS
tiny oar
🙏
junior plover
Ya call me an idiot all yall want who's the real idiot me or the druid at 2400 c...
See heres the thing
I see you casting hibernate
I believe you must've pressed it by mistake and will cancel immediately
If you don't thats on you
I'll sit that hibernate and have a few seconds to shame you
tiny oar
I'll sit that hibernate and have a few seconds to shame you
Sounds like COPE for getting fucking HIBEd lol
viscid remnant
Lmao
Kiosk is a scoundrel
He hasnt played in like 6months
But hes so delusional he can imagine like itwas yesterday
tiny oar
Lol
Even flop the goat has gotten hibbed 1 or twice
It's just a tool idk why yall got this hate obsession with druids using it lol
tiny oar
This chat just a bunch of ferals now
I'm the only rdru left
And that one pykan boomie
viscid remnant
Iam not identifying as any class because i play everything
Legendary multiclasser
lime light
@tiny oar breaking the rule number one: never sleep the kitten in 2s and 3s
That's your last warning
viscid remnant
MonkaW
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> breaking the rule number one: never sleep the kitten in 2s...
If cat gets slept they deserve it for being DONKIES and not big ripper CATS
lime light
Also
I wake up
Every day
And think about one thing
Every
Single
Day
HOOOOOOWWWW DOOOOO UUU LOOOOOSE AS ROGUE MAGE
Hoooooooow
lime light
tiny oar
I am wondering now if I'm fucking the opener
They get every cd from warr in the game with just bust bomb opener thru pre bark overgrowth
But maybe just cw non extend is more healing
Have 2 test it
lime light
Just lose fast and q into normal comp
tiny oar
Do sephuz and relentless stack?
lime light
Sephuz and orc stacks
tiny oar
Genuinely like I think the strat is like I play feral aff master shapeshift draught and hotw and kill rogue myself 1v2 solo rogue and let my useless warr sit 30s on cc without a dispell rofl
junior plover
It's just a tool idk why yall got this hate obsession with druids using it lol
Its a joke
But it's also true
cunning furnace
Do I need to reapply rake on my target to make it get the benefit of adaptive swarm? Or does swarm just make the first rake do more dmg the moment it's applied
cunning furnace
i see, danke
polar nymph
HOOOOOOWWWW DOOOOO UUU LOOOOOSE AS ROGUE MAGE
Face a Necro Feral.
lime light
No
junior plover
Actually maybe
glad aurora
so, i've been playing survival hunter for a while...decided to give MM a go yesterday...good lord
it's dumb
not going to put much into it, since it will def be nerfed into the ground at some point
hybrid flint
My 218 lvl mm hunter put up bigger numbers than my 240 feral Druid. It is absurd
Venth mm hunter. Not gonna super gear him as he is probably gonna get the nerf bat
glad aurora
yeah im venthyr as well. I'm duelist as Survival, but wanted to see what the hype was about.
west sigil
so, question. I am going to make a bday present to someone who spends in wow like 2 weeks a year so they're not too familiar with the game except for leveling some classes (paladin) and have 0 lategame experience. The point is, it's my relative and we live together temporarily for a few months so we're gonna have plenty of non-toxic time to play together. I want them to play arena with me, and i never tried any rated games for real either. It's not about climbing rating because we probably won't get far (but we can score some points just due to the amount of games played). What comp would you recommend? I can go balance or feral but I'd rather want to go feral.
- As far as I know, feral+hpala was ok in bfa, have things changed drastically?
- Or maybe they should go different class?
- is 1400-1500 rating possible? I played on and off ever since TBC but never rated arenas
glad aurora
it is def possible to reach that rating. comp-wise, not sure how jungle works without a healer but could try it
i've seen a lot of DH/Feral in 2's
tropic schooner
so, question. I am going to make a bday present to someone who spends in wow lik...
not gonna lie this is a bit confusing, so you talk about the present?
While obviously 1.4k is possible Id say its actually unlikely if neither of you 2 really play the game that much (from how it reads?) while I personally like arena I dont think its that great to toss someone into it without them actually having experience with the game itself
glad aurora
^would def agree with that sentiment
arena is frustrating. try bg's as well to mix it up
tropic schooner
yea id say wow arena compared to other pvp games like league of legends, dota counterstrike etc can be way more frustrating to get into without knowledge
tropic schooner
MM hunter is played at all now?