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clear pulsar
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Using rake early isnt lame

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Rake is a great spell

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Especially if you are playing Draught, Rake is more damage per energy than Shred

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So Rake as a filler over Shred is actually a dps gain

stray sigil
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shut up pve nerd

livid wasp
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I guess its just necrolords playin draught?

hoary ledge
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Will feral or boomy have more carry potential in 9.1? 2s/3s

livid wasp
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im still stuck with eye as kyrian

hoary ledge
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is necro the move for feral?

clear pulsar
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Feral has insane carry potential rn

clear pulsar
hoary ledge
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ty

clear pulsar
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Feral is insane insane

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You should peep how I carry fuji hardcore

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On feral

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Just mad cyclones left and right

hoary ledge
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any stream links? xd

clear pulsar
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We only kiss and tell we dont kiss and show

hoary ledge
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thats hot

stray sigil
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face is mocking

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doing 900 dps playing necro

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didnt think it was possible

clear pulsar
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Always the kill target always getting the CLUTCH cyclones

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I'm out here carrying and this guy can only look at damage meters like a PVEER

lime light
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Silence

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Everyone calm down

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No need to be angry

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Before ssn starts

tiny oar
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๐Ÿ™ VerySadCat

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Just thank el patron for another wonderful day alive

junior plover
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Guys Polska eliminated from euro

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Why didn't El patron order national mourning on this server yet

lime light
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El patron dont care about mortal things

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Like football

clear pulsar
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Lost to slovakia xD

vague mural
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next season are they gonna change current pvp gear to match the new system like

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are we going to be lowered from 226 to 220 in pve and have full 233 pvp gear right out the gate?

clear pulsar
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No

vague mural
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F

latent walrus
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Feral looking decent for arenas in 9.1?

lime light
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Yes

latent walrus
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Not much in pins. Any good sources for it?

lime light
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Mortal strike, 40% slow

mossy summit
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Might be biased but Iโ€™m debating between starting the season out on feral ret or ele in 3s along side a warrior. Probably play 2s for some gearing and fun as the healing offspec. What are your thoughts on those 3s comps?

lime light
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Play what u like

latent walrus
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What legendary for feral tho?

lime light
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Draught

latent walrus
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Necro draught? Seeing snuty talking up Celestial nft

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NF

clear pulsar
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Night fae is fine and good

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But we cant see into the future

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All 3 covenants are currently viable for any rating goal you have

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And none of them is getting changed

blissful belfry
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All the 3 covenants

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and then theres venthyr

haughty rose
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what do you guys think about Memory of the Elder Druid for 3s / RBG ?

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I'm about to craft my first leg but BOAT seems to be eating a severe nerf (I'm a moonkin, night fae)

clear pulsar
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That is garbanzo beans

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If you want to craft something other than boat for pvp, timeworn dreambinder is the move

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And the barkskin leggo is better survivability and more within your control than oath of elder druid

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If you really wanted something like that

hasty lily
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any one know if the gear from season 1 pvp will be affected by the change coming in 9.1? where pvp gear will be -7ilvl in pve content or do you think only the 9.1 season 2 pvp gear will have that change of into effect?

clear pulsar
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Current gear isnt getting changed

light plume
haughty rose
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yeah I will

light plume
# haughty rose yeah I will

Like I went vent and Iโ€™m ripping people in half but for 3s I havenโ€™t tested it. Interested to see how convoke performs with the nerf of boat. If itโ€™s cheeks you didnโ€™t waste it and you can switch covenants to maybe necro or something

blissful belfry
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i've just tought about venthyr boomy and how to make it less shit. pop ravenous frenzy, stack up the shit by spamming dispell on yourself or some dots. when you get high stack enough, you make a go on a target with incarn + triple surge boat. or Incarn + 4-5 surge dreambinder

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shit must slap a bit nah? main problem is how predictable it is. But since no one plays venthyr, i guess its not predictable yet

stray sigil
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might aswell play kyrian no?

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u get a like what 8 stack go every 1min

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instead of a like 10-14 stack every 3mins

light plume
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honestly maybe its my ilvl or im just good but i av 1.5-2 mill a game. that haste just has me sending wrath and surge all day.

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I actualy dont mind it at all. if yall wanna come play let me know haha.

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i hit renown 40 in 3 days so i might see this necro hype.

blissful belfry
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i know its dogshit yall, i fuckin know. im just tryna think of how to make it work

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If i wasnt playin pve i wouldnt bother

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but now a man's gotta find his way round

light plume
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I feel like Iโ€™m the only one who likes it lol

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Oh who even pves ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Jk

blissful belfry
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U into some specific knowledge that balance side doesnt knwo? share the sauce mate

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my pasta are dry

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damn

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could never go there

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Its alright, i never cared for m+

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yeah, that is what i feared

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i havent looked into the fights that much yet. dont know how much they'll screw the end of ramp up dam

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ya damn, sounds like a tough call

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might stick to nf early for pvp and early prog and go to vampire if it pulls too much ahead perhaps

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im venthyr right now. swapped yesterday after raid, ima grind up to 40 renown and swap back to nf in time for arena open season i think

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and then yeah, i'll adjust to venthyr if it pulls too much

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im also healing a lot in arena, found it harder as night fae to not be necro, imagine goddamn venthyr

light plume
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Yeah idk I hit 2100 easy with vent

blissful belfry
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ya

light plume
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Itโ€™s sucks at times but like I said that haste hits hard and still 18k surge

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On rf

blissful belfry
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when did you push your 2.1 and in what bracket

light plume
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Rbgs

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And last night

blissful belfry
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...

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rbg

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you can get 2.1 in rbg with no covenant

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no one is going to line your venthyr ramp up in rbg

light plume
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Gotta be specific then. Iโ€™d see the others being better in arena

forest kite
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hello, do the new dominion sockets matter in pvp at all? i am trying to decide if i should craft draught on neck or chest

junior plover
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@lime light

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they fixed feral

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on beta tbc

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no chugg

fleet zinc
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hello

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balance still using Boat in 9.1 ?

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focusing rbg

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hum

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change for ?

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hum

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and what about feral ?

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will be good for rbg ?

tulip falcon
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yea that will only really happen if you know people

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feral on offense will actually be pretty nuts

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in flag maps

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with mortal strike and snares

clear pulsar
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No no feral the goat

tulip falcon
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we dont play with a warr

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but yea getting high in rbgs is literally just who you know lol

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im probably going to play feral more next season though as our boomkin wants to fc

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so will be interesting

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lmao

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ikr

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im fine with it

obtuse ice
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Hello what is the current state of feral please

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Which build ? The Necrolord ?

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Otherwise it's meh / bad ?

junior plover
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feral spriest rsham

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and fmp

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about to dominate

obtuse ice
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Even venthyr ? ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿคฃ

junior plover
obtuse ice
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๐Ÿ˜ฌ

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And for feral player, is it pleasing to play ?

junior plover
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Feral is very fun to play

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not venthyr tho

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venthyr is unplayable

obtuse ice
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I see they play Deep Focus ? is it really that smart ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDl2COs8TmM this one I guess ?(just to be sure)

Hello! in this video you will learn how to do damage while playing the Necrolord covenant + the Savage Roar talent choice as a feral druid. Learning how to do damage is a very important part when it comes to PvP, if you are able to closely maximize your damage output, and know when and where to utilize your damage cooldowns it can take you a lon...

โ–ถ Play video
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Thank you Glyph !

rigid linden
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4 more wins

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For my r1

obtuse ice
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silly

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๐Ÿ˜ณ

rigid linden
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Uwu

slow jungle
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Feral vs Ret for 9.1. Mostly 2s double dps. Tell me now you furrys.

tiny oar
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I mean ur on the druid disc buddy

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Ofc feral

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Yea tank and healer and dps all in 1 cat

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What else u need

vagrant crane
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Is nf still bis for balance in rbgs in 9.1?

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Ty

stray sigil
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take it back

slow jungle
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Damnit. Usually main ret or rogue but ig Iโ€™ll do the switch to feral ๐Ÿ™„ cat looks OP. NF or Necro the move? 1 min convoke seems nice

clear pulsar
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take it back

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We only play underdog specs

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And prevail against all odds

clear pulsar
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Literally no one in here plays ret

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What do you think people will say when you ask em what to play?

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Sheesh

slow jungle
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Lmao I get it ofc yโ€™all would say Druid. But feral does look nutty in 9.1 getting MS effect.

clear pulsar
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We'll see

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Everyone's getting new tech

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Ret and assa rogue have some insane shit too

slow jungle
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Assa rogue will be insane, just not double dps other than mage. Ret doesnโ€™t get anything really, I think ret will struggle with all the new MS

clear pulsar
slow jungle
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Thatโ€™s great until you run into a affliction lock. Or the new shaman flame shock ๐Ÿ˜‚. Then you die

clear pulsar
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So

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Ret doesnt get anything really cuz the new talent isn't gonna be used against aff lock

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Ok

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Aff lock is dead btw

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The elemental dispel protection does like 5k damage

slow jungle
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Does 10k+ in recent testing

clear pulsar
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The divine toll legendary is very nice

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Also

slow jungle
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Trueeee

clear pulsar
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Much better than any feral leggo

slow jungle
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1min convoke look any good?

clear pulsar
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It's probably better than the other leggos for night fae

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I don't think it's very crazy, Convoke still doesnt cast FF in pvp so thats missing half the point of the leggo

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The only tangible benefit you get is Niya mastery uptime

stray sigil
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its usually 1 bite

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and like u dont get to 5 cp after it

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cuz less spells

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i was liking it at first

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but seems kinda garbanzo

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and its also garbanzo in pve kinda not a good look

clear pulsar
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It's only good for resto in raid

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I doubt it'll be good for anything else

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Like

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Idk I feel like you'd just play dreambinder anyway as boomie

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You get 1 extra surge either way

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And the 5 surges are buffed on avg by 14%

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Which is a bit more than niya mastery with only 1 eclipse

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Eh

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Idk it sounds close

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So maybe cuz of the new niya trait that lets you heal someone for a third of their hp if you Convoke near them

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That could be nice

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Idk

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Ret feral time

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True

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Necro new traits are kinda dogshit I think the boomie necro thing will die out

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Feral will prob still be pretty good but

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Idk

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Other covenants getting more juice

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Pelagos and niya specifically

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Getting big juice

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Yeah

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I've changed my mind big time about phial

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Before I'd played kyrian I thought it was sick OP

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Now after 905

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Fleshcraft and soulshape both just straight better

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Rsham arms ret season again zzzz

rigid linden
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I'm going worgen and nf next patch if I get my r1

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You can't stop me

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El gran Lobo Malo formrage returns

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The big bad wolf

tiny oar
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Get it formy

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Absolute legend

lime light
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Pogey

silk bloom
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yo, what are the rbg bears doing for 9.1? are you switching covenants? is necrolord going to be a thing?

lime light
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Bears are ded

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Buried in my garden

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I have few houses

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With garden

tiny oar
lime light
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UwU

tardy hare
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Rbg bears are brainless folks

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We dont do anything

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Be whatever the fuk u want

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As long as its not venthyr

digital merlin
lime light
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what u are crying about

digital merlin
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No Venthyr ๐Ÿ˜ฆ I need the trad goth look for my thicc Kul Tiran.

smoky sail
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Stop weebing with uwu El patron ๐Ÿ™ VerySadCat

smoky sail
silk bloom
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thank you, i guess ๐Ÿ˜…

tardy hare
smoky sail
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Peasantpoppin big dam judge

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Donate to the miestro for a better life btw ๐Ÿ™

tulip falcon
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being able to blink away from shit is pretty lit

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and getting 30k hp from a 0.1 sec convoke with niya

tulip falcon
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A lot of people gonna have that shit

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Since everyone has pretty much figured out how to do it now

junior plover
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What's kombucha tea

tardy hare
junior plover
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@clear pulsar explain yourself

tulip falcon
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rip its aids

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so

lime light
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it doesnt work in rated pvp

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no?

tulip falcon
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it does

lime light
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the only thing it works is socket?

tulip falcon
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yea exactly

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you need straddling jewel doublet

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then the two unique gems which are 3% and 5%

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and get a lot of shit gear with as much gem slots as possible

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as a set you can swap to

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you gem versa but the stradding jewel doublet increases your speed based on how many shadowlands gems you got socketed

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along with the 2 unique speed gems

tardy hare
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Might do

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We'll see

tulip falcon
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and also that raid trinket from bfa

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humming black dragonscale

lime light
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nice i d/e it

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mythic one

tulip falcon
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lmao

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try restore it

lime light
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u cant

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its like max X days

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or months

tulip falcon
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u can actually base spin the enemy base in eots with that trinket alone

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before they cap

lime light
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i mean

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i will never play

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guardian in my life

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so w/.e

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the only moment when i migh consider playing guardian is

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when pve gear is disugsting

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and i need pve fast

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to get it

tulip falcon
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legit bought this just for sockets

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lmao

tardy hare
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That shit work in rbg?

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Trihard

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Smh

tulip falcon
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the gems do

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basically just have a set of shit old gear as long as it has gems

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and swap gear sets with a bind when you get there

tardy hare
tulip falcon
tardy hare
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Lmao

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Is trinket better than flap?

tulip falcon
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ye

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like i said u can spin the enemy base in eots

tardy hare
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Ye

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Both alli and horde?

tulip falcon
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yer

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towers

tardy hare
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Pog

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Gotta remember that for next ssn

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Do you need speed gems for it to work,m

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?

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Or can do without

tulip falcon
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he started it

tardy hare
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U just wilr charge in boomy form then trinket?

tulip falcon
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yea i think so i need to check the vod again

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i dont have the trink yet

tardy hare
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Can u solo nyalotha these days?

tulip falcon
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doubt it but no clue

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it is first boss

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so maybe

silk bloom
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if you find the vod can you post it?

tardy hare
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Ye iknow

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Got it on my lock

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Not dru tho

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Unforch

tulip falcon
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ive got a friend who has the trinket and has done it ill ask him later

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you could get a bunch of people to all spec for trinket

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and trade

tardy hare
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trinket is for every spec

tulip falcon
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even easier then

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we are gonna do that later

viscid remnant
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@tardy hare full socket speed gem steering wheel guardian build

lime light
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log tbc

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55 min q

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log out

tardy hare
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ok wrathion not soloable

lime light
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retail bg q 6 min

tulip falcon
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lol how hard was it

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was it like instakill

tardy hare
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nah u just get stacking buff

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could prob 2 man it i guess

tulip falcon
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oh

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meh ill just get a group and do the trade thing

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better chance

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i need more sockets tho fack

tardy hare
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idk if i can cheese EotS like with just trinket

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im happy

lime light
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carry me full honor before ssn @tulip falcon ๐Ÿ™‚

tardy hare
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we already alwasy won eots anyway

lime light
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in bgs

tardy hare
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now we full on banging

tulip falcon
lime light
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ofc

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they gonna klepto my 15k honor for sure

tulip falcon
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we actually been doing premades out of boredom last few days lol

lime light
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so i need a lil something

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add me

tardy hare
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wwanna go now?

lime light
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tianton#2260

tulip falcon
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oh horde or ally

tardy hare
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horde

tulip falcon
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ok good

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i cant atm as im working from home but can later

tardy hare
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smhhh

lime light
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iam gonna play a lot this ssn

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feral dk

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pump

tardy hare
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pog

lime light
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maybe a 3rd class if i have time and its not super time consuming

tulip falcon
tardy hare
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i am

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but got horde druid out of boredom

tulip falcon
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ah

lime light
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Uh*

tardy hare
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big boomy pumper

lime light
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if u know what i mean

tardy hare
tulip falcon
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๐Ÿ™„

lime light
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i can q some rbgs tho

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on my dk

tardy hare
lime light
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once ssn starts

tulip falcon
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whats ur btag anyway ill add as well if we do it later

tardy hare
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shambybambie#2295

tulip falcon
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added both

lime light
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dk gonna be

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best rbg

tulip falcon
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send gold on stormscale ty

tardy hare
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lmao

lime light
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spec

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in the game

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unh dk

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that is

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but is there some catch up gear

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cuz my dk

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legit died first week of sl

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and its like 190 ilvl

viscid remnant
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just tell blizzard to give you some gear or you ban them

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the el patron way

lime light
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i dont wanna be cruel

tardy hare
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what i get myself into again

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smh

tulip falcon
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lmao

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sick

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my alt druid has a neg winloss because we all queued in greens

lime light
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tabard of frost 300k ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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i wish i had gold ofc

tulip falcon
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psychological warfare

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run the patient title too or kingslayer

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make them feel even worse

lime light
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ye

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thats what i do too

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and there is nothing they can do

sly kernel
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Any idea how the resto Druid is going to feel in the 9.1 for RBGs? Any chance to get a group or same like in 9.0.5 good luck and level up a priest o pally or even a resto shaman

lime light
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rdru is basiclly made

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for rbgs

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u have to be cute egirl

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fresh

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cute

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and u ask your e-boi

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for invite to good grp

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and then u roll

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u just heal

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and remember to drink!!

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heal

sly kernel
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Well in 9.0.5 I had very bad times to get a group even with 2.1k title

lime light
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dont die

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be cute

tulip falcon
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well yea there was like 1 team on eu running an rdruid above 2.4 early season

sly kernel
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But with my resto shaman or even with my holy priest it was not so hard

tulip falcon
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and everyone just stacked priest/pala

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nah no one was taking rdruid early season, idk if its diff now

tardy hare
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play vs 1800 apes

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i afk in enemy base

tulip falcon
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thing is with pugging is you need to play meta

tardy hare
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after 3 min of nothing happening i just grab flag

tulip falcon
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or dont even bother

tardy hare
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team on voice

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why do u pick flag

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wtf

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??

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i did not tell u to pick?

tulip falcon
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you only get into groups as non-meta specs if you know people

tardy hare
tulip falcon
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otherwise you have to meta

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i came back end of bfa and didnt know anyone and tried to pug as feral

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linking hero and getting denied to 2k groups

tardy hare
tulip falcon
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eventually pushed to 2.3 still by pugging and networking the new people

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well yea

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only reason i had any chance is cos of hero exp lmao

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its just that priest/pala brought so much

tardy hare
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getting flamed by someone who looks like this

tulip falcon
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yea it is from what ive heard

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lol

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oh

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like how vague their response was

sly kernel
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Just to double check what is better bet for RBGs in the next season Rshaman or RDruid (I wish I had time for both but adult life sucks)

tulip falcon
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they are probably on the same level ye

sly kernel
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I know but between these two option?

tulip falcon
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rsham isnt top tier either

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they are in a similar place

sly kernel
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I am not going to play with my holy pally another season just because they are god

tulip falcon
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just play whichever you prefer

sly kernel
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Cool thanks I am going to drop a coin hahah

tulip falcon
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and 9.1 could be diff so who knows

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we are running mw monk again so

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thats something

sly kernel
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I see

tulip falcon
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its ironic that spec matters more at lower rating than higher

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for pugging

sly kernel
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Letโ€™s go for the water men

tulip falcon
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most pugs are your typical "have 25% vers" and want to run only meta

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idk about now but i hated it when we took rsham in early season when i played

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felt like we gimped ourselves

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felt useless on flag maps too

tardy hare
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we gave some shaman 2.2cr then got rid of him

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smh

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man's missed 3 links in a single WSG

tulip falcon
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lmao

vast bison
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Expert Glyph is 3k cr safe r1 in eu

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ye lmao

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anyways how the fuck do u play venthyr in pvp

lime light
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Joe said 2850 or 2900 depends if ppl start

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Playing

vast bison
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yeah prolly doing the same

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need that 1st week 2.1 tho

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true

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oh ye venthyr pump in rbg is actually legit

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hasted dots lol

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pve gods with dom sockets and venthyr cant wait

lime light
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Ah ye, daily complain about boomkin being worst spec

junior plover
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Reduced Pay for Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick Narrowly Approved by Shareholders

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50% pay cut

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Get shit on

tulip falcon
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im sure hes gonna be on the streets and at the food bank now

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what will he do

junior plover
covert chasm
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Just came back to wow, and i See there is a patch coming, wondering to play boomie. Are they decent?

junior plover
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I mean he just lost 70 million dolarinos

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That's what happens when you anger gamers

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Gamers rise up

lime light
#

Poor crack dealer

covert chasm
#

Its either boomy or ele ๐Ÿ˜Ž

covert chasm
#

Boomy it is

covert chasm
#

People sticking to Night fae in 9.1?

tulip falcon
#

im planning to so i can try out the new legendary

rigid linden
#

we got the 151 wins brothers...

#

this war

#

is over

jaunty grotto
#

What weapon enchant does guardian druid have in rbg?

#

is it acended vigor?

rigid linden
#

Now I will never go for r1 again

#

Because I'm wage slave

livid wasp
#

does kyrian get anything cool?

lime light
#

Yes

#

DN

little harness
#

will season 1 gear scale up in pvp at all or just season 2?

junior plover
#

my rdruid has been dueling a warlock 1v1 in arena

#

for 25 min

#

hes starting to lose it

blissful belfry
#

Pvp gearing scaling up would be so shit. All my 226 pieces i use in pve droppin to 220 to scale up...

little harness
#

seems like it's going to be painful for new players / rerolls to gear next sesason

tardy hare
#

Why does everyone act like its suddenly harder to gear up in s2

#

Compared to literally every other expansion

#

The ilvl gap literally always got bigger every season

#

Every expansion

tulip falcon
#

give us bfa system back waiting for random bullshit vault gear

#

and praying to rng gods

forest kite
#

the blue items for returning players/rerolls are going to be scaled up significantly

#

the main issue is the conquest gear still having 6 item level difference per bracket, that's going to mean you either tryhard from the start of the season (or close to it) or you're kinda screwed

tulip falcon
#

no elite weapons as far as i heard

#

and 6 item levels isnt stopping anyone from pushing rating

#

people at 1500 aren't going to be facing people decked out in duelist gear

clear pulsar
tulip falcon
#

at least rbgs won't be pve lords having a 15 ilvl advantage like it was at the start of s1

blissful belfry
#

well, considering how fast/slowly you'll get your pvp gear. Pve lord will still have a 15 ilvl advantage at the start of s2 too. But it will fall off quicker

junior plover
blissful belfry
#

u dont know kombucha?

junior plover
#

no

blissful belfry
#

Its a kind of sparkling tea from mushrooms or somthing

#

supposed to be very healthy

tardy hare
clear pulsar
#

Yeah it's a fermented tea

#

With some yeast or something

#

Idk

#

It's nice

#

Not something you drink everyday but

#

Good good

tulip falcon
blissful belfry
#

Polska gurom not into fermented tea

tulip falcon
#

with the scaling in place it shouldn't happen

#

the issue was renown locking gear upgrades

blissful belfry
#

early season, you'll get at most 2 pieces of pvp gear per week. scaling is nice, but if you only have 2 pvp pieces, it wont even out the edge instantly

#

after 4-5 weeks of vault and conq

#

now, that going to even it out and even lean in an advantage

#

(still better than it was s1 tho)

#

cuz some advantage is still better than none

tulip falcon
#

i dont care if its only a few ilvls

#

that aint gonna cause anyone to lose

blissful belfry
#

^

tulip falcon
#

but having the maximum possible pvp gear and still be outgeared by some mythic raiders who had 15 ilvls more was ridiculous

blissful belfry
#

although, too much ilvl diff does causes loss

#

ya

tulip falcon
#

hopefully there's no renown gating with gear upgrades again

forest kite
#

ppl decked out from RBGs qing at lower arena brackets

#

or boosts

tardy hare
#

Just queue rbg aswell for free gear

#

Gg

blissful belfry
#

i cant queue rbg, i dont have a steering wheel

tardy hare
#

Unforch

tulip falcon
#

i doubt it will be as inflated as last season anyway

#

the participation will prob be like 30% of what it was at the start of s1

forest kite
#

yeye I mean I was decked out in conquest gear by the end of february, with 227 so it doesn't really affect me directly, but the last thing I want is a dead ladder for low participation

junior plover
#

my man drinking mold

clear pulsar
#

It builds character

tulip falcon
#

i only drink g-fuel

#

not even real gamers

lime light
#

@tulip falcon 2100 is max gear

#

In s2

tulip falcon
#

yea thought so as no elite wep right

worthy carbon
#

do we know what covenant is best for boomy in 9.1?

blissful belfry
#

anything but venthyr is fine

#

too early to know what meta will prevail and which cov will be the best in it

#

nf with 1 min convoke as potential

#

Necrolord is still a damp 15 min bore

#

kyrian remains similar too

#

just venthyr that really isnt recommended in arena

haughty compass
#

Night fae ferals still using Draught?

junior plover
#

They never have

#

but its decent enough

clear pulsar
#

But some do

blissful belfry
#

nf feral were symmetry i think

tardy hare
#

No elite wep

#

But will we get elite tags on gear from vault above 2.4

#

?

blissful belfry
#

nf feral with the 1min convoke sounds pretty nice

tardy hare
#

I have to flex on these apes alright

haughty compass
#

For nf feral just craft sym then?

#

Not swapping to Necro, I donโ€™t want to

tulip falcon
#

or just wait for the new legendary

#

idk how long it will take to unlock it

haughty compass
#

Ok got it. Thanks

clear pulsar
#

3 weeks

#

Just make symmetry

#

Or play draught / apex if you have one of those for pve

#

Soul ash is farmable next patch

haughty compass
#

Ya have apex atm

clear pulsar
#

And you get much more for just the first runs of each wing

#

Rank 5 and 6 leggos dont cost more soul ash

#

It's whatever really

haughty compass
#

I have like, 8k ash

clear pulsar
#

Yeah so

#

By the time you can make the convoke leggo

#

You can have 6k more

#

@stray sigil

little harness
tulip falcon
#

i don't think RBG will be like it was at the start of s1

#

not even close

#

with the mmr change on top of the low participation it will prob be a lot harder to push

little harness
#

hopefully, it's pretty demoralizing trying to gear a new character and constantly facing against people with 10k+ more HP

tulip falcon
#

assuming they dont revert the mmr change

little harness
#

at the bottom of the ladder

clear pulsar
#

There will be similar gear catch up like the 197 covenant armor @little harness

#

If you dont want to grind the honor set

#

Which no one should probably

little harness
#

all vers gear?

clear pulsar
#

You dont need all vers gear lol

#

Just get weapon rings necklace with vers from pvp that's already like 15% vers

little harness
#

so you don't have vers gear and your opponents are 10ilvl higher than you

I fail to see how that's good

clear pulsar
#

But thing is

#

You arent gonna be behind

#

How are you facing people 10 ilvls higher

little harness
#

i hope so

clear pulsar
#

No one has new gear yet

#

Gear comes at a certain cadence

#

You cant even buy a conquest piece week one

#

I guess you could a ring

little harness
#

I think if you start trying to gear right at the start of the season you can probably stay caught up

#

i feel for anyone that can't do that and starts later

clear pulsar
#

The system is somewhat problematic if you're starting 3+ months in

tulip falcon
#

i mean going into pvp undergeared has always been horrible

little harness
#

somewhat lol

tulip falcon
#

except for when there was templating

little harness
#

full honor gear at the bottom of the ladder shouldnt be considered undergeared

tulip falcon
#

thats not something new

clear pulsar
#

It's not that problematic lol if people are at 1400 then they're 1400 regardless of gear

#

Like here's the thing bro

#

Their hp number doesnt matter

#

If you're at 1400 at 200 ilvl

#

And they're 1400 at 213 ilvl

#

Then you're both 1400

#

And that's that

little harness
#

it does when their abilities do so much of your HP % in dmg

clear pulsar
#

You're missing the point

#

They are winning and losing as many games as you are at the same rating against the same people

#

You are, for all intents and purposes, decently matched with one another

tulip falcon
#

his point is that if mmr is a metric of their overall ability then it would match you if the mmr is the same as yours

little harness
#

your higher skill should be able to outplay their gear advantage

#

in that case

clear pulsar
#

There will be a lot lot less boosting too

tulip falcon
#

with gear included

clear pulsar
#

Since pvp gear isnt gonna be any relevant in pve anymore

tulip falcon
#

ye

little harness
#

i really hope so

tulip falcon
#

and rbg boosting will be 3x as hard

little harness
#

why's that

tardy hare
#

Idk everyone acts like you need full honor gear to start arena

tulip falcon
#

there will be significantly less participation, less teams to farm

tardy hare
#

But theres infinite more ways to get gear fast anyway

tulip falcon
#

rbg boosting is so easy this season due to inflation and the amount of randos

little harness
#

because there's no incentive for pve players

#

in s2

#

makes sense

tardy hare
#

Aye

tulip falcon
#

yea rbg participation will probably be like a normal season again

little harness
tardy hare
#

You could just walk through all the pve players on ur way to free gear last ssn

tulip falcon
#

not bfa level but like

#

pre bfa

#

aka not 50 minute queues

tardy hare
#

Idk i just did covenant then went straight into arena

#

And there'll probably be a similar way to gear up in s2

little harness
#

which way is that? that would be on the PTR by now right?

tardy hare
#

Fuck knows

#

I dont play ptr lol

little harness
#

if there's less RBG people at low rating that would definitely help

being in cov gear against RBG rivals ain't fun

tulip falcon
#

PVE boosters gonna have a fun time next patch though lmao

tulip falcon
#

oh that word

little harness
#

good on you lol

#

monkeys works

tulip falcon
#

the issue is that mentally deficient people are getting 2.4k

#

there

tardy hare
#

Big trie

#

True

#

Rbgs in s1 were hella clownfiesta

tulip falcon
#

like i dont even mean stereotypically bad rbg players

#

just like

little harness
#

yeah i mean my friends and I got rival in 3s with a lot of playtime and never really did RBGs

#

felt kinda bad

tulip falcon
#

ive seen backpeddling clickers at 2.5k

#

keyboard turning and everything

tardy hare
#

My team getting 2.4 says plenty about rbg state

clear pulsar
#

Yeah rbgs are wild

#

I have a collection of screenshots in my server

#

Of people who are like

#

400+ rating higher in rbgs than in arena

#

There are some super wild

tardy hare
#

400 rating js nothing

#

Lol

tulip falcon
#

theres like 1600 people getting hero this ssn

tardy hare
#

My team is literally closer to 1k difference

tulip falcon
#

it'd normally be like 100 lol

#

maybe 200

clear pulsar
#

Like look

tardy hare
#

Looks like my team

clear pulsar
tulip falcon
#

lol

tardy hare
#

Just add 300 to rbg and 100 to srena

clear pulsar
#

This may be the best one I have

tardy hare
#

And its avg my team

tulip falcon
#

i mean im nearly 2.8k in rbgs which is way higher than my arena but i've not really touched it lmao

tardy hare
#

:^)

tulip falcon
#

i think this is comparable to season 12

#

without the wintrading

#

that was my first season pvping and I hit 2.6 lmao

#

like

#

u queued and would get dogshit russians capping conquest who wintraded to 3k mmr

clear pulsar
#

Like

#

How 3 or 4 people can solo win an rbg

#

Out of making one or two nice plays

tardy hare
#

Dude

#

On seething shore

#

Me and my homie did all the work

clear pulsar
#

Cuz the rest of the teams are apes that just stalemate in teamfight

tardy hare
#

Only rule im bg for the team was

tulip falcon
#

glad seething is out of rotation

#

fml

tardy hare
#

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM US

little harness
#

what i'm inferring is that this season should actually be a lot less painful for new players starting the honor grind from nothing

i'm glad to have been wrong about this

tardy hare
#

Then they come to us

#

Ruin game

clear pulsar
#

I am literally dragging 4 people wherever I go

tardy hare
#

Thing is

tulip falcon
#

its tilting af

tardy hare
#

We spam cap bases 2v2

clear pulsar
#

And then mongos follow me around instead of winning the fight

tardy hare
#

Cause we just double cc cap

clear pulsar
#

7v4

tulip falcon
#

we had that issue with selfplay boosts we were doing, we told them to sit at a base

#

instead they try to be a hero

#

and "look good"

tardy hare
#

We can stay alive like 5v2 for ages

tulip falcon
#

and lost us games

clear pulsar
#

Legendary player

tardy hare
#

U shouldve seen us on seething shore or silvershard mines

#

Enemy was fucking chanceless

clear pulsar
#

I need a bad cop buddy

#

To do that with

tulip falcon
#

i think after a month the bracket will be dead af

tardy hare
#

literally spec ops

clear pulsar
#

And it's easy honor/conquest

tardy hare
#

Truth

clear pulsar
#

But like

tulip falcon
#

yeah but low end might actually be low end

#

and not 2400

#

lol

clear pulsar
#

Most of the extra participation has been from people wanting easy gear yeah!?

#

And a lot of that is pveers

tulip falcon
#

yeah

tardy hare
#

Aye

clear pulsar
#

Or 14hundos that see 40k hp in their games and want to get 40k hp easier as well

tulip falcon
#

if u look at the ladder

tardy hare
#

Kinda hyped to play rbgs again

tulip falcon
#

like 70% of the ladder is 2.4-2.5 i swear

tardy hare
#

But really wish i had stronk team

tulip falcon
#

the "real" teams that usually play rbgs are 2.6+

tardy hare
#

Aye

#

Gap is nuts

#

You have the real teams just hella high

#

Then below that is all clowns

#

Any real team just walks over the whole fucking ladder

tulip falcon
#

the problem is that once you're high 2.6-2.7 all it is the top 3 teams sniping you for their 2 rating

clear pulsar
#

Yeah it's crazy I think it's something fucked on blizzard's end tbh

tardy hare
#

Ye u lose once

clear pulsar
#

Maybe they did it on purpose to increase particcipation

tardy hare
#

U get screenshotted for days

#

1 lesson a day

clear pulsar
#

I join a pug and in 4 wins we go up 300 mmr

tulip falcon
#

lol yea

#

reason why we started boosting was cos we got bored and joined a pug on alts

#

they were 1300 mmr

tardy hare
#

Lmao

tulip falcon
#

2 of us

#

we carried them to 2.3k mmr in a night

tardy hare
#

Ahahah

tulip falcon
#

we told them not to speak and just lsiten

tardy hare
#

Man i need rbg team that is capable

tulip falcon
#

ironically they listened to us better than our main team did

tardy hare
#

Kinda wanna learn all the cheese shit

tulip falcon
#

they swapped targets perfectly

tardy hare
wispy thistle
tulip falcon
#

yea and theres no egos

#

lol

clear pulsar
#

Cuz in pugs like

tardy hare
#

Same

clear pulsar
#

The leader will tell a warrior or dk to call targets

#

And they're doing a shit job at it somehow

#

Then I pick it up

#

Then they start trying to yell over me

#

Suddenly now they talk like hell

#

????

#

Hate it

little harness
#

wtf

#

apparently honor isnt resetting

#

in S2

tardy hare
little harness
clear pulsar
#

It's 15k honor

#

At most

#

No good reason to reset

#

No good reason not to reset

#

Idk

little harness
#

yes it's lame for sure but still helps

#

especially since it's BG week rn

tardy hare
#

@tulip falcon @lime light when we pumpin

tulip falcon
#

idk im done with work so whenever

tardy hare
#

Ima be ready in 15

#

U got more homies around?

tulip falcon
#

lemme see

#

maybe like 1 other atm

tardy hare
#

Fair enough

tulip falcon
#

most people get on late

#

that i know

#

gamer hours

maiden parcel
#

is a 15% nerf to regrowth in pvp for ferals not that much?

clear pulsar
#

It's about the same nerf that every big offhealer got

worthy carbon
#

how good is boomy+affli+healer in 3s?

#

in this patch

clear pulsar
#

Ooz's Frictionless Coating's absorb value reduced to 7.5% maximum health in PvP Combat.

#

Haha

#

Soulsteel Clamps now reduces duration of stun and incapacitate effects by 15% (was 30%).

#

Familiar Predicaments now reduces incoming interrupt, snare and root effects by 15% (was 25%).

#

Sulfuric Emission fear duration reduced to 3.5 seconds (was 4.5 seconds).

#

Sparkling Driftglobe Core cooldown increased to 1 minute (was 45 seconds) and now triggers at 30% health (was 35%).
(this is the stun from kyrian)

reef fulcrum
#

Link me this page

clear pulsar
reef fulcrum
tulip falcon
#

interesting

#

finally some full patch notes

#

tired of looking through diff ones from different dates

clear pulsar
#

Good changes that they literally just mentione in the very last week before patch

#

The soulbind defensive traits one

green valve
#

You think dh is gonna be good in 9.1 these changes all seem legit

#

Maybe lil feral dh?

clear pulsar
#

It has some nice new tech for sure

tulip falcon
#

emerald slumber is gonna make flag maps in rbgs a residentsleeper

#

guessing it will be 45 secs to recharge the 3min cds

clear pulsar
#

It has a limited duration you know that ye?

#

It's basically a 40s cd reduction

#

On a 2 min cd

tulip falcon
#

ah i didnt see that on the tooltip

clear pulsar
#

Imagine

tulip falcon
#

thats still pretty good

clear pulsar
#

Bear just hibernating for a full minute

#

In base

#

To get incarn back

tulip falcon
#

thats what i was thinking lmao

clear pulsar
#

Would be terrific

#

Great rp

tulip falcon
#

indeed

clear pulsar
#

40s off of incarn

#

Yeppers

tulip falcon
#

still takes off enough to probably have it on every inc

clear pulsar
#

Yeah

little harness
#

my ret partner says specific queueing AV is better honor than random epics

what do you guys think? maybe after daily win?

tulip falcon
#

uh doubt it depends on how often you win randoms

#

AV can take forever if ur unlucky

little harness
#

yeah i think his concern is getting IoC constantly or something

#

so really it will just vary huh

tulip falcon
#

oh you mean random epics

#

yea no clue

#

thought you meant vs normal bgs

little harness
#

yeah AV queue vs random epics

#

most AV games are pretty quick but that's anecdotal

tulip falcon
#

i've always found normal random bgs the fastest way to farm honor

#

but if you go with like 2-3 people you can easily carry most bgs

blissful belfry
#

i hadnt seen that in the earlier notes. Is it a recent nerf / fix?

#

Fixed an issue that allowed Adaptive Swarm to incorrectly affect Regrowth's initial heal.

lime light
#

@tardy hare iam shilling ouside gonna be late 22:30

tardy hare
#

smh

#

sure

covert chasm
#

I wish they removed the wod ashran from epic bgs, or can i ban it?

#

Cant remember

tulip falcon
#

you cant ban them anymore

#

have to queue specific if you dont want certain ones

stray sigil
#

r u going back alliance

clear pulsar
#

Already did I work off of impulse decisions

stray sigil
#

??

#

thought we were gonna take over the ladder

clear pulsar
#

I saw you listed LF btags ok?

lime light
viscid remnant
#

donat to el patron

#

๐Ÿ™VerySadCat

clear pulsar
lime light
#

Disgusting scum

#

Not allowed to talk here

#

No more

green valve
#

You think 15% to regrowth is gonna matter much

#

Feel like the 11-12k regrowth crits being 10k now arent the end of the world

clear pulsar
#

No

#

Ret enhance spriest also getting similar nerfs

green valve
#

The ret nerfs is brutal

clear pulsar
#

Fuck ret

green valve
#

Outside of cds wog wont heal for dick

tardy hare
#

what they doin to ret

clear pulsar
#

It's the same nerf as regrowth tho lol

lime light
#

What kurwa

#

Did they nerf

#

Offhealing ?

#

Kurwy jebane

tulip falcon
#

frenzied regen also got a nerf

clear pulsar
#

Healing hands buffs it by up to 70%, now it'll be 50% = 12% nerf to wog

#

Literally smaller than regrowth

tardy hare
#

aaa

#

i play with prot anyway

#

whatever

lime light
#

Link

#

Patch notes

#

Or we

tulip falcon
#

full notes

clear pulsar
stray sigil
#

nice

#

no warrior nerfs

#

feral nerfs

#

poggers

lime light
#

Hahahah

#

Nerfing my regrowh

#

U done Blizzard

#

Iam the last person

#

U wanna fuck with

blissful belfry
#

nerfed regrowth and fixed initial regrowth benefitting from swarm

lime light
#

Fuck u

#

Sorry

stray sigil
#

gladly

junior plover
lime light
#

Iam angry ok

#

Dont u see

junior plover
lime light
#

Gtfo u pve pig

#

No one cares