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We have talked about the possibility of the new NF leggo giving 8 stacks vs 16 ever since the first leak was out. And yet, blizz in 4-5 weeks is going to be like ''A slight oversight on our end happened and has been fixed. Niya's grove invigoration stack count should have been reduced according to the cooldown of the covenant ability''
in incarn its 14% more dmg to surge
For feral it's 17.5, for boomie it's 32 or something
and palegos gives 15% dmg
so 1% difference
but this is 30 sec
vs palegos 10 sec
ez math
Blizzard is legit incompetent
No
To be fair
I doubt anyone actually submitted that as feedback
Pelagos is 435 mastery + 15% damage
its nto 435 in pvp lol

where the 120 comes from
the kyrian lego
New lego
ohh
if u chose to play that
but idk if its even good
its def not good lol
when you press
Fuji is stupid lmao
i'd trust fuji over you tho face
its 5% PERMA 10% when u press kyrian
maybe
ya no one knew to dispell swarm
it might not be dispellable tbh
the 15% is dispellable
yeah
the mastery buff isnt
yeah
I doubt the lego can be dispelled
that'd be kinda cracked
but NF cant be dispelled

it's less mastery than kyrian
Hmm that new pvp talent for boomy
by a long shot
but u get the 6 spells or w/e
its less dmg no matter what
convoke at 2 sec is still fairly strong
good enough to force some cds
and then u get the 30 sec mastery on top
its not like the mastery is only thing
the convoke part is better than just a flat 15% anyways
Is it?
all this talk and feral is gonna be the better spec anyway
probably 1 bite on average
ull get what 2 bites maybe 3 if its in zerk with kyrian
:(
you could roll 0
na i dont think u can roll 0

if i get 2 surges out of 2 sec cast im happy
Idk like
my point is looks like the convoke one is more consistent bites
i mean sure its not tested yet
Starting 20 mins ago you didnt even know what some of hte new shit did
just talking out of my ass of what i think it would work like
Kyrian also probably gonna be 'competitive' in m+
New mikanikos trait getting it to 30s cd is kinda big
whatsoever
in this convo
lol
im talking bout how many bites ud get from the 2 1min cds
nobody fuckign plays mika on feral brol ol
its pelagos or pelagos
every soulbind suck dick on mika
With conduit
and u have to take 2 finesse
u dont take that conduit wat
Idiot
Learn to read?
You'll be forced to 3 conduits anyway
So you'll prob take cdr
Or you gonna tell me you want to get some insane energy return on Rip


whose ability is this
Reworked dreamweaver?
No thats mikanikos
thoughts on starburst? anyone see it in action yet?
what is starburst
Atarfall can knock people up
It’s rng
whats a better class for pvp balance or mage more survivability with most damage
boomy a lot tankier
sweet thank u
boomy a lot simpler aswell
triune ward, alter time, cauterize, ice block, mage is pretty tanky in their own way
Necro boomie or bust
can the nf legendary get full moon in pvp? or disable
no at least so far in arena and duels
sucks (for them) that its shadow school as well
Yea that makes it what 2.2s cast?
Kinda long
Guess it doesnt matter tgo they usually stun before it anyway
No way double mindgames is good i don't think
So what you're gonna have 5s of cross cc to cast both?

my disc can barely get one off most games lol
so i dont imagine 50% more cast time is any good whatsoever
That's like 600 seconds bro

Yeah mindgames is too tight
Maybe for rmp
But i don't think RMP needs it
They'd rather not oom in 3s
The more interesting thing about it is
Mindgames
Get dispell
THEN cc
Into mindgames
So if you ever land one long mindgames
no chance u get a 2.2s mindgames without cc before
Youre gonna have a full duration mindgames guaranteed
I mean u can commit some shit cc
Even incap roar
Or keep hardcasting it until it goes through 
No
Incap 2 melee
Whyd u need to incap the pala
At his pillar
He's too far to stop you
ur kinda asking
for unrealistic perfect scenario
ur a feral right
u incap
insta breaks on 1 guy
Okay how about
Actually nvm
Yeah i mean
You'd need to land raw mindgames
For it to be good
Probably not happening
You dont have to use both at once, can treat it like a cd reduction almost, can use one every 30s for 2 mins
No no I'm trying to rock a body press mega slowbro and a av copperajah
I have some terrific tech stored up
Kindred with pelagos and the legendary becomes basically a ~38% damage buff
I bet you look like an ampharos
I thought this was a wow discord
Huh
Do you wanna talk about anything specific regarding wow?
I think if you want to beat feral you just slash pet every cat you see

legacy
i'm not big in pvp
You're not big in pve either but you talk like crazy in guardian channel

GOT HIS ASS
Make pumps do it
still waiting on @tiny oar to do it
whats the thoughts on NOW? seen a vid on the tube with a guardian runnning it
the popular picks are Legacy for general use and NOW when incarn is on CD
can switch legos in bgs while out of combat
Brah I just woke up and I get pinged with guardian shit wtf lol
not in rbg's tho
lmao
right?
rbgs/bgs
ty
Is there a reason we don't have a solid guardian pvp guide for rated bgs? Considering we are king for flag maps base sitting?
When learning I had to cross check the loot district and search top ranked players to get an understanding of what Lego's and talents to play. Then had learn through community players how to effectively sit bases and counter classes.
I understand that's how we learn, but it would be amazing to have expert knowledge from the pros.
No1s a guardian rbger in here rly. best case machtig could make a guide but he'd just meme n tell u to get gud
Hahaha
I mean I could probably share my experiences I wrote a guide for a guildie a while back. It might spark a conversation and someone might have more knowledgeable experience than me. I've had pretty decent success but I'm not rank 1 haja
@sleek herald I would read it...please do
Sweet, I'll.post in what I got later hopefully it can help some peoppe
It's really cuz
Flag running gameplay is kinda shallow
Other than writing a whole ass guide on positioning and how to kite
Which no one will do
The 'playing guardian spec' aspect of being a guardian druid in rbgs is super shallow
I think its more gearing and talents etc. I know now after playing for a while and learning the spec it seems obvious. But if someone wants to start out they have nothing to go off.
Especially now with the pvp mount coming from 1k + and not 1400 I think we will see alot more low mmr games being played and they'll need more than just dps.
I get what you're saying bro. I'll post my tips for gear/Lego's and talents later when I'm at my pc but general game play tips is something you need to learn in bgs it'd hard to put it into words
It's so weird that they would even put it down that low like
Swear u dont even lose rating until like 1500 rite?
Nah I thought the same but
1k is legit a bracket people queue at
Like there are people sub 1200 with a couple hundred games played

Yeah I not great. It should reward 1 saddle from a previous tier or something else. Makes it feel less rewarding to achieve the pvp mount. But I understand why I'd say the majority of players sit in that 1200 bracket
Lol pls man
There is absolutely no reason to be 'elitist' over dropping the participation trophy from 1400 rating to 1k rating
Ya I'm fine with it let all the 40 yr old homies n stay at home dads get the cool spider shit, I was just surprised that was a thing that's changing
I have made a habit of spam inspecting people
There's some addon I have idk which
That will auto shift my inspect to my new targets
So I don't even have to right click -> inspect anymore
And
There are so many people
Between 1k and 1.4k
With more than 100 games played
Especially 1600/1800 rbgers
Makes sense to change tbh if theres ppl in 1200 bracket, ssn mount basically the equivalent of like a world quest mount
Lol that's fucking wild

I'm sure pikaboo 1600 gatekeeper has like 10k 2s games by now rite
Yeah man that's actually fair about the mount. Guess we get the transmog at 1800
Anyone know any good Resto Druids that stream high end pvp? Trying to find one to watch and maybe learn a thing or two.
There are like a dozen in the pins
Not all are active rn or play exclusively resto but
At least 4 of them are like, rdru everyday
kk tyvm
True facts
does draught work on germination?
Yes
Are we expecting to change back from necro to night fae for boomie pvp?
necro for boomkin was a meme to begin with, just when your goal is to live at all costs over all else
did they find out if the night fae convoke leggo for feral is 6 class spells?
or 5 or w/e half of the normal class spell was
form spell*
Not sure at all.
Is that ptr? holy god that's toxic lmao
if its 12% haste gg broken spec
isnt there a thing that frost strike refreshes chains of ice
100% uptime gg
also 5 sec silence
with 1 min cd
it looks like a affi unh or affi unh
kinda
the juice
Or good ol TSG just more refined and better
i hope not
or frost tsg
i wanna play some unh dot comps
and kinda happy with necro strike removed
it was too op or too weak - always
not worth pressing vs necro every global
yupi yey
kinda hyped for sl now
feral unhealable damuger
unh changes kinda fun
Machtig ebola on horde with me ofc

do u even play dk?
pog
Leave the rats alone guys
Feral gang

Feral pog rn?
feral = 
arm war
is 1v1 easier as necro feral or fae? is the pressure from the ST bleed build that strong?
Damn I killed that photoshoot
I miss separated dailies with unique rewards wow was better with them in it
Cmm
I don't think meaningful rewards from daily quests makes the game better
And if the rewards are all meaningless I couldnt care less which way they're presented
I miss the old kanye
kanye 2024?
@clear pulsar where did I say meaningful
I meant better dailies
Tabard of the sunstriders is lit af
hi there any guide for pvp bear?
The game doesnt need dailies
THere is no reason other than gold farming to do dailies
You can do whatever you want for anima
And renown
Ok just give me wow classic 2: electric boogaloo
I liked when you had to interact with the entire world to progress your character 
But in retail it'd be terrible
Random rep dailies
Were better than whatever the fuck the maw is
MoP
Good example had dailies for everything even fishing
Chill shit
so classic?
cause dailies exist since tbc

Yeah I agree
and some catch up gear
MoP and TBC did dailies right
even tho people hated MoP dailies
it's just not a system meant for retail
mop the problem was that daily hubs were scattered across all pandaria
which is why they never did it again after mop
good

no it was annoying
Dailies can be whatever the fuck they want. As long as they do not give disproportionate rewards
yeah press auto fly and go alt tab for a minute
such immersion
i prefer if daily is one hub
like in tbc the sunwell map
it also had great world pvp
lol
at this point why not
I mean yeah it has come to this
basically
TBC dailies and MoP dailies were about the same thing
but just different era
in MoP everyone wanted everything to be giga optimized
0 time wasted
constant gratification
and its still like that
and I mean I like retail where I can just log in and do a dungeon or pvp
but I wish there was a classic wow game too

with new content and shit
i wish that was shadowlands lol
maw and choreghast exist
and next patch there is more shit
its gonna get worse as expansion goes mark my words
they will add more and more chores to do
like in bfa
torghast is spammable now
bfa started with just islands
so you can do it in one evening
then they also added warfronts
and then corruptions
in blizzard's logic more shit to do = better
cause more login time
I never did islands after the first month of BFA
Except to farm mog at the end
Warfronts were legit normal ilvl gear once every 2 weeks
Yall complain so much about meaningless shit
its not meaningless
Just cuz it exists in the game it doesn't mean you have to do it
warfronts?
the pve bg
Azerite traits stopped being gated by neck level by 8.1.5
that gave high ilvl item

literally complaining about people's complains all day
is that what u do here
and second

there is a way to add content without it being mandatory
if u just add another ways to get same things
for example if u had an alternative way to get soul ash
for example buying soul ash for honor
or something idk
or buying gem slots for conquest
so u dont have to do maw
why couldnt they do that?
cause they dumdum
they like that ppl grind

Why do they force me to play the game in this RPG why is this RPG based on character power progression thru different systems
Weeeeeee
just because its rpg doesnt mean it has to be one dimensional rpg
I need to gain that sick 0.5% dmg boost weeeee
If you could get everything thru arena then it would be one dimensional
u can add progression though various content
no
my point is that im forced to do other things
To the top 10 of natdex
shoo
The game was at it's best
when you needed to do all content
however
retail is not an rpg
This half assed approach is just worse than abandoning these rpg elements all together
give us one or the other
imo
they try to please everyone
and end up pleasing no one
except face
he is a huge fan

Minmax ruined mmo rpgs thats just how it is
And Ashes of Creation will be the same
anyone who thinks it wont is on copium
either it will be too competitive and ruined by that
or there will be no meaningful content to do
dont know anything about ashes
i just know its crowdfunded which means it will be trash
there hasnt been a single indie mmo that worked out
runescape was indie?
I mean
it was their first game
of a studio founded in 1999
if that aint indie
idk what is
it was a different time
True
idk Ashes could be fun for a month or two
it's giga focused on RPG
players actually get elected as mayors of cities and can rebuild them and this and that
when does it release
Alpha was gonna be 1st of June
but moved for obvious reasons
I think it's scheduled for end of June now
release probably 2023/2024?
if they do the same thing as they did with vanilla
keep the servers forever
ill stick to it forever
to wotlk i mean
I MEEEEAN
or maybe mop wow
one of those
mop was fun as fuck too
but in an over the top kind of way
You'd get frustrated by lack of balance changes and stale meta at some point
just like people are right now in s1

Then why are you not playing it?

No ethics here
but I already explained
my brain is wired to not enjoy pirated games
fucking brainwashed
Idk some people play wotlk forever
but couldnt get my self to download torrent
some people play vanilla forever
but for the most part the community is made up of people who join for 1-2 months
and then never return
ye
or return in 5 years
but think
eventually there will be all expansions classic
so each person will be able to play
whatever he likes
I think they'll stop at cata otherwise you split the playerbase too much
and every classic server is dead
who knows
yep
i just know shadowlands is dead rn
5 days till prepatch
and i still havent decided what i want to play
idk i dont want mana
Bro
Literally the moment I queue a volcarona team I face 3 rain teams in a row
WHAT THE FRICK

balance still gonna be good in pvp?
It should be
The best type of Boomy is left untouched and infact buffed thanks to some of the new pvp talents
Which are Kyrian Timeworn Boomies
NF boomies got hard nerfed but either way Kyrian Timeworn has been superior ever since
The first few star surges will still have 60% crit chance. And you’ll have a little more crit after a full convoke
Ele Sham is one of the best DPS partners for Boomy.... now what are other options that can work really well with Boomy as well?
For 3s
How are Locks, SP and Mages for Boomies?
Or BM hunters?
Wait since when is the PVP tab on inspect available outside of PVP instances
that's dope
I remember it wasn't at the start of this season
No way
After legion
It was available all of BFA
I thought it was an addon because it wasn't on my inspect
asked Snupy
he told me its only in instanced pvp
joined arena
and it was there

Definitely not
IT HAPPENED
I spammed inspect people in BFA and could always see their pvp talents and rating

So you're accusing me of lying
ok bro I thought we were cool
That's the weirdest mangela i've ever had
Nf boomy might have a chance to be fine still in pvp in 9.1 with the new 1min convoke leggo
i can see goes line up every min on root beam clone
30s of 400 mastery every minute
rootbeam healer, clone off target, Stun from a friend on kill target. Convoke
lmao
every min
and 16% max hp
yep
Kill the boomy when he shifts in bear with an extra 16% hp
altho the max hp is the worst kind of max hp
it doesnt heal you when you gain it (I don't think?)
gonna frenzy regen for fucking 50k hp

I think its dynamic on % hp. pretty sure even. so like, if you are 30k/40k, you shift and go to 60k max hp. you should be at 45/60
numbers are for ease of calculation and not representative of the hp gain by going bear
Yes I think so
Getting mandela'd is an expression meaning you acquired a false memory right?
as a primarily pvp feral druid, i wanted to necro but it was weak, so started kyrian, swtiched fae cuz it looked more fun, and now necro is meta.... do i switch again and grind renown again 😦
Just realized something. How many 1min on use are there? I know of the pvp one, but i dont recall any other
Them

1min convoke boomy might have a mandatory 1min trinket on use
9.1 is on the horizon and the NF legendary is looking extremely good
so you can wait
Necro was never weak
the grind isn't all that bad tho, especially since youve already been necro
The fuck
are we the bad guys?
Oh no
No
I'm not since I don't play with an hpriest
I'm one of the good guys
I play double feral with fuji
It's 2v2
i swear no one was necro early, it was mostly kyrian and some fae for memes, then they buffed necro and it rose

thats the main reason ferals are that common. they just play with bm
so hpriest feral
oh
No one was necro, that doesn't mean it was bad
i was thinking the same thing, the quicker more powerful convoke seems pretty strong
It got a 5% buff, not 50%
People really undervalued necro
and there was some confusion about the playstyle
it was BM Circle necro
which is actually bad
Necro was the general suggestion during all of beta for feral pvp
Then it caught a nerf to how muc hdamage the dot itself does
Which wasn't all that big tbh
And people shifted away from it
It was definitely weaker in beta when it was all people played than it is now
my biggest reason to want to play necro is so i can also do resto in pvp
but the new fae legendary looks strong
Then stay night fae

what healer is best for feral 2s
You either want to play necro or you want to play night fae my man
haha i want to play necro, but i dont want to grind renown again, and i also want to play the strongest, but think fae might be stronger 9.1
it is a terrible conundrum
You can swap every 2 weeks
You don't lose renown that youve had before you swapped
what
9.1 is way more than 2 weeks away
Resto druid Feral in 2s. Best comp ever, double kitty runnin round
if i'm 40 renown fae, switch to necro, then go back to fae, what is my renown?
40
😮
Each covenant keeps its own progress
yeee
oh shit
how hard is it going back to a covenant you ditched?
Bro
its leaderboard data
full leaderboard
feral is the most popular spec
not some reflex data
And rdru are prolly feral outside now
is feral actually strongest 2s melee? and why?
shush kiosk shush
but that means feral is one of the best if it's the most common spec when accounted for population
a bigger % of ferals reach 2.2k
than any other melee
can u link me your site instead of a pic, ima see what u readin wrong

hehehe
It is known
True
It is known
if i wanna actually push do i need to change from ztroll to tauren
ztroll is useless but i like asthetics better lol
Your racial isn't going to automatically make you play better
ovi
You can get any rating achievement as a znadalari night fae feral
i mean... with the right skill, time, and partner, yes
Also arms is both incredible and miserable to play depending what u q into
Ferals just fun regardless
but if we're talking the path of least resistance, or easiest way for anyone to get there.
There is a meaningful difference between tauren and zandalari
but
yeah its just the path of least resistance
its not a huge difference maker
Altho i'll say this
It's literally impossible to beat bm hunters as night fae feral
Even if you get a convoke setup right, it'll just dump every spell into pets
Bm isnt so bad since you can literally just cheese their life with deatg sentence, but yea lock/rdruid eill make you pull your hair out u right
i played some resto aff against arms... man i almost felt pity for the dude
The data shown here are for characters that have played games in the first week of May, 2021. This therefore shows an overview of the active ladder roughly at the time of publication.
lmao this is
1 week
of data
ffs

That site is the one telling people they're a top 5% player for reaching 1800
I mean

of course its the most recent week of data, it is meant to not take into consideration past trends
Ive been on both sides of it this season, its enough to make you rage quit the game as warrior
I dont trust any of their ladder data
but leaderboard data
they just take data directly from blizz
put it on a graph
so makes sense
its a problem of logging on or off in other specs tho
Im a boomy loggin off boomy, all my games are resto
Yeah but that's much more a boomie problem
no accuracy from me
than feral
cuz feral is unpopular af for pve
if you go to feral on leaderboards
almost all of them have feral leggos
i can guarantee
Necro feral priest 2s with ms in 9.1 really will be bonkers tho
It's not much of a problem for boomie data either
Diff covenants
I doubt any resto pvper plays boomie in pve as necro
The other way around is more likely
is feral > boom for 2s?

La puta
Yeah it would seem like it
Kiosk last warning
very few boomies at high 2s rating
If u put
Some trashxan
Data in my channel
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Kinda crazy theyre giving unholy an auto necrotic talent
with necro feral do you apply swarm every time you rip pretty much?
that fury 60% MS is nuts
i thought you'd have to have constant uptime on rampage but from testing it stacks all 4 in 1 cast.
disgusting
how much is the feral ms? 15% 2 stacks?
max or per stack
12% per stack
wdym no
It's just a mortal strike
2x 20
If it stacks with regular MS from other specs it'll be so cooked
It's kinda perma
Addition or multiplication?
You can rampage every 10-12 seconds for sure
can u go 100% with fury?
Isn't fury ms 6sec?
^ i thought so
Yea but it stacks all 4 per rampage
Ye that's what i thought
during burst it'll be 100% uptime
Its perma for the most part during cds
Yeah thats the thing
even at 60% 50% uptime it's better than any other ms
cuz its 30%
and with new leggo for increased time reck when using condemn their burst will be long
but then u have 60% on go
Idk if u guys agree, feral new honor talent is super good, but iam missing something new (not even op) like other classes get
slower*
If ms ever stack together, its going to be multiplicative and not additive. like, 100% healing - 50% ms = 50% healing, then the other ms of 50% puts it at 25% effective. Wont be 50+50 = 100% less heals

Yeah I thought so because of dampen
but MS doesnt stack
normally
More kurwa slow
so who knows
At least you can burst fury pretty easy
Polish-English
No d stanced and enrage regen is barely a defensive
yeah biggest weakness for fury is no good defensives
but idk if it will matter with their ms and uptime
the pressure will be real
powolniejsze
not bardziej powolne
u stupid
even in polish
esp w/ venthyr + death sentence. free charges every 5 sec is aids
They removed overwatch which is good
Yea fury ret killing you through cds lol
No cc necessary
how much damp u start in is 2s? 20 or 25
20
kk

my warr will be ready for 9.1. i leveled to play arms but have always loved fury, and arms was boring
no its 32%
ye thats actually not that bad
fuck


