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cold escarp
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so 32 mastery is 1%

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so the extra 225 mastery from grove is equal to 7% more mastery

blissful belfry
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We have talked about the possibility of the new NF leggo giving 8 stacks vs 16 ever since the first leak was out. And yet, blizz in 4-5 weeks is going to be like ''A slight oversight on our end happened and has been fixed. Niya's grove invigoration stack count should have been reduced according to the cooldown of the covenant ability''

cold escarp
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in incarn its 14% more dmg to surge

clear pulsar
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For feral it's 17.5, for boomie it's 32 or something

cold escarp
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and palegos gives 15% dmg

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so 1% difference

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but this is 30 sec

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vs palegos 10 sec

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ez math

clear pulsar
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No

stray sigil
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also pretty sure kyrian one is dispellable

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not nf

junior plover
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I doubt anyone actually submitted that as feedback

clear pulsar
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Pelagos is 435 mastery + 15% damage

blissful belfry
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it wasnt sent on feedback

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But any and every druid in the world talked about it

stray sigil
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its nto 435 in pvp lol

cold escarp
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plaegos is 175

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in pvp

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and 350 in pve

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what 435?

junior plover
stray sigil
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its 175 + 120 isnt it

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  • 15% dmg
junior plover
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yeah its 300

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  • 15
cold escarp
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where the 120 comes from

stray sigil
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the kyrian lego

junior plover
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New lego

cold escarp
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ohh

stray sigil
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if u chose to play that

junior plover
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but idk if its even good

stray sigil
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its def not good lol

junior plover
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Actually

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its 240 no?

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it doubles

clear pulsar
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The leggo?

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The leggo is insane

junior plover
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when you press

clear pulsar
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Fuji is stupid lmao

junior plover
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Yeah nvm

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face is right

blissful belfry
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i'd trust fuji over you tho face

junior plover
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its 5% PERMA 10% when u press kyrian

cold escarp
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oh

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thats big

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wtf

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but idk if its worth over dreambinder

stray sigil
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its dispellable

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isnt it ll

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lol

junior plover
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maybe

cold escarp
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it is but no one knows so shhh

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no one ever tried dispelling it from me

stray sigil
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ya no one knew to dispell swarm

junior plover
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it might not be dispellable tbh

stray sigil
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now look

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everyone is dispelling it

junior plover
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like

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the kyrian is

cold escarp
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the 15% is dispellable

junior plover
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yeah

cold escarp
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the mastery buff isnt

junior plover
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yeah

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I doubt the lego can be dispelled

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that'd be kinda cracked

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but NF cant be dispelled

stray sigil
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idk nf lego is literally

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kyrian

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but better in every way lol

junior plover
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it's less mastery than kyrian

hexed flax
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Hmm that new pvp talent for boomy

junior plover
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by a long shot

cold escarp
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ye

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but its longer duration

junior plover
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but u get the 6 spells or w/e

cold escarp
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by a long shot

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i think il play NF tbh

stray sigil
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its less dmg no matter what

cold escarp
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convoke at 2 sec is still fairly strong

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good enough to force some cds

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and then u get the 30 sec mastery on top

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its not like the mastery is only thing

stray sigil
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the convoke part is better than just a flat 15% anyways

junior plover
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Is it?

cold escarp
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all this talk and feral is gonna be the better spec anyway

junior plover
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probably 1 bite on average

stray sigil
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ull get what 2 bites maybe 3 if its in zerk with kyrian

cold escarp
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:(

junior plover
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you could roll 0

stray sigil
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na i dont think u can roll 0

junior plover
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probably like 1.5 on average

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then

stray sigil
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even if u get 1

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ud get 5 cp

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so eessentially 2

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  • u can ff
junior plover
stray sigil
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so u almost guarantee 3 bites every minute

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vs 2 on kyrian

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outside of zerk

cold escarp
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if i get 2 surges out of 2 sec cast im happy

clear pulsar
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You get 3 with kyrian too

cold escarp
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im talking about convoke

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dumdum

stray sigil
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in 10s buff

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maybe

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ud have to crit prob

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or 15 rather

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w.e

clear pulsar
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Idk like

stray sigil
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my point is looks like the convoke one is more consistent bites

clear pulsar
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This is just a dumb convo

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Cuz

stray sigil
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i mean sure its not tested yet

clear pulsar
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Starting 20 mins ago you didnt even know what some of hte new shit did

stray sigil
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just talking out of my ass of what i think it would work like

clear pulsar
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Kyrian also probably gonna be 'competitive' in m+

stray sigil
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i mean me not knowing the mas u get from the kyrian leggo

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doesnt matter

clear pulsar
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New mikanikos trait getting it to 30s cd is kinda big

stray sigil
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whatsoever

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in this convo

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lol

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im talking bout how many bites ud get from the 2 1min cds

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nobody fuckign plays mika on feral brol ol

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its pelagos or pelagos

clear pulsar
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Yeah but

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Kyrian is 45s cd

stray sigil
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every soulbind suck dick on mika

clear pulsar
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With conduit

stray sigil
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and u have to take 2 finesse

clear pulsar
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Mikanikos is big in m+

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I said m+

stray sigil
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u dont take that conduit wat

stray sigil
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this pve channel or

clear pulsar
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Learn to read?

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You'll be forced to 3 conduits anyway

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So you'll prob take cdr

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Or you gonna tell me you want to get some insane energy return on Rip

cold escarp
stray sigil
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cd reduc thing

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giga bad in pvp

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just desyncs everything

clear pulsar
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Syncs with FF

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Kinda pog

cold escarp
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whose ability is this

junior plover
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Reworked dreamweaver?

clear pulsar
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No thats mikanikos

green valve
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F

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9.1 season of fury tsg

forest kite
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thoughts on starburst? anyone see it in action yet?

stray sigil
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@clear pulsar they kinda getting lazy uh

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thats like ooze pretty much

tepid spoke
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what is starburst

haughty compass
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Atarfall can knock people up

green valve
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Shoulda been a knock away

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Just go full rbg all star spec

haughty compass
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It’s rng

forest kite
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whats a better class for pvp balance or mage more survivability with most damage

stray sigil
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boomy a lot tankier

forest kite
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sweet thank u

stray sigil
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boomy a lot simpler aswell

clear pulsar
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Mage is better

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Not even a discussion

sly marsh
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triune ward, alter time, cauterize, ice block, mage is pretty tanky in their own way

green valve
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Necro boomie or bust

dreamy pond
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Necro boomie big brain 🧠

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Dampening

random patrol
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have yet to get it to trigger a moon

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on the ptr

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in pvp combat

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yep

forest kite
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can the nf legendary get full moon in pvp? or disable

random patrol
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no at least so far in arena and duels

stray sigil
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double cast time

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or

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50% rather

sly marsh
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sucks (for them) that its shadow school as well

green valve
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Yea that makes it what 2.2s cast?

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Kinda long

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Guess it doesnt matter tgo they usually stun before it anyway

junior plover
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No way double mindgames is good i don't think

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So what you're gonna have 5s of cross cc to cast both?

green valve
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Would dumpster shit like ret

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Mg bubble mass dis remg

stray sigil
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my disc can barely get one off most games lol

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so i dont imagine 50% more cast time is any good whatsoever

junior plover
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Yeah mindgames is too tight

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Maybe for rmp

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But i don't think RMP needs it

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They'd rather not oom in 3s

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The more interesting thing about it is

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Mindgames

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Get dispell

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THEN cc

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Into mindgames

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So if you ever land one long mindgames

stray sigil
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no chance u get a 2.2s mindgames without cc before

junior plover
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Youre gonna have a full duration mindgames guaranteed

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I mean u can commit some shit cc

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Even incap roar

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Or keep hardcasting it until it goes through tettleslul

stray sigil
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incap 3 people

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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

junior plover
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No

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Incap 2 melee

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Whyd u need to incap the pala

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At his pillar

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He's too far to stop you

stray sigil
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ur kinda asking

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for unrealistic perfect scenario

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ur a feral right

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u incap

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insta breaks on 1 guy

green valve
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W/e fuck mg

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Dumbass spell anyway

junior plover
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Okay how about

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Actually nvm

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Yeah i mean

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You'd need to land raw mindgames

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For it to be good

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Probably not happening

clear pulsar
clear pulsar
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Showdown legit still down 6h later

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What the FRICK bro

green valve
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Bruh you can give your crit togekiss a rest for a couple hours

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Wont kill u

clear pulsar
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No no I'm trying to rock a body press mega slowbro and a av copperajah

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I have some terrific tech stored up

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Kindred with pelagos and the legendary becomes basically a ~38% damage buff

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I bet you look like an ampharos

polar nymph
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I thought this was a wow discord

clear pulsar
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And no beautiful locks like mega ampharos either

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Just goofy as fuck

polar nymph
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Huh

clear pulsar
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Do you wanna talk about anything specific regarding wow?

random patrol
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I think if you want to beat feral you just slash pet every cat you see

surreal heron
simple frost
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dont see anything pinned for pvp legendary for Guardian

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which one is it?

surreal heron
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legacy

clear pulsar
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Thyme arent you a guardian main?

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You should write a guide

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So we can pin

surreal heron
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i'm not big in pvp

clear pulsar
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You're not big in pve either but you talk like crazy in guardian channel

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GOT HIS ASS

surreal heron
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you're not wrong

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i don't write the guides there either though

clear pulsar
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Make pumps do it

surreal heron
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still waiting on @tiny oar to do it

simple frost
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whats the thoughts on NOW? seen a vid on the tube with a guardian runnning it

surreal heron
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the popular picks are Legacy for general use and NOW when incarn is on CD

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can switch legos in bgs while out of combat

tiny oar
simple frost
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not in rbg's tho

simple frost
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right?

surreal heron
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rbgs/bgs

simple frost
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ty

sleek herald
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Is there a reason we don't have a solid guardian pvp guide for rated bgs? Considering we are king for flag maps base sitting?

When learning I had to cross check the loot district and search top ranked players to get an understanding of what Lego's and talents to play. Then had learn through community players how to effectively sit bases and counter classes.

I understand that's how we learn, but it would be amazing to have expert knowledge from the pros.

tiny oar
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No1s a guardian rbger in here rly. best case machtig could make a guide but he'd just meme n tell u to get gud

sleek herald
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Hahaha

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I mean I could probably share my experiences I wrote a guide for a guildie a while back. It might spark a conversation and someone might have more knowledgeable experience than me. I've had pretty decent success but I'm not rank 1 haja

simple frost
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@sleek herald I would read it...please do

sleek herald
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Sweet, I'll.post in what I got later hopefully it can help some peoppe

clear pulsar
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It's really cuz

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Flag running gameplay is kinda shallow

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Other than writing a whole ass guide on positioning and how to kite

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Which no one will do

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The 'playing guardian spec' aspect of being a guardian druid in rbgs is super shallow

sleek herald
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I think its more gearing and talents etc. I know now after playing for a while and learning the spec it seems obvious. But if someone wants to start out they have nothing to go off.
Especially now with the pvp mount coming from 1k + and not 1400 I think we will see alot more low mmr games being played and they'll need more than just dps.

I get what you're saying bro. I'll post my tips for gear/Lego's and talents later when I'm at my pc but general game play tips is something you need to learn in bgs it'd hard to put it into words

tiny oar
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Wtf they're making the pvp mount 1k rating? For real lol?

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Kinda fried wtf

clear pulsar
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Why is it fried

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It's literally just a participation reward

tiny oar
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It's so weird that they would even put it down that low like

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Swear u dont even lose rating until like 1500 rite?

clear pulsar
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Nah I thought the same but

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1k is legit a bracket people queue at

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Like there are people sub 1200 with a couple hundred games played

surreal heron
clear pulsar
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Glyph acting like he isn't best friends with pumps

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XD

tiny oar
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Lol yea just make pumps write 1

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Itll be 2 paragraphs

sleek herald
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Yeah I not great. It should reward 1 saddle from a previous tier or something else. Makes it feel less rewarding to achieve the pvp mount. But I understand why I'd say the majority of players sit in that 1200 bracket

clear pulsar
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Lol pls man

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There is absolutely no reason to be 'elitist' over dropping the participation trophy from 1400 rating to 1k rating

tiny oar
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Ya I'm fine with it let all the 40 yr old homies n stay at home dads get the cool spider shit, I was just surprised that was a thing that's changing

clear pulsar
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I have made a habit of spam inspecting people

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There's some addon I have idk which

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That will auto shift my inspect to my new targets

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So I don't even have to right click -> inspect anymore

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And

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There are so many people

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Between 1k and 1.4k

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With more than 100 games played

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Especially 1600/1800 rbgers

tiny oar
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Makes sense to change tbh if theres ppl in 1200 bracket, ssn mount basically the equivalent of like a world quest mount

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Lol that's fucking wild

edgy shale
clear pulsar
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That mate? Saltmasterx

tiny oar
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I'm sure pikaboo 1600 gatekeeper has like 10k 2s games by now rite

sleek herald
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Yeah man that's actually fair about the mount. Guess we get the transmog at 1800

midnight robin
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Anyone know any good Resto Druids that stream high end pvp? Trying to find one to watch and maybe learn a thing or two.

clear pulsar
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There are like a dozen in the pins

midnight robin
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welp im an idiot

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ty

clear pulsar
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Not all are active rn or play exclusively resto but

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At least 4 of them are like, rdru everyday

midnight robin
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kk tyvm

tiny oar
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Just watch flop all u need

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Absolute legend

clear pulsar
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True facts

tiny oar
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Lol ya those r the best q seshs

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Big memes

terse glen
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does draught work on germination?

clear pulsar
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Yes

lime light
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Any hasters?

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Just shilll

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And 5 sec silencio xd ?

stoic cove
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Are we expecting to change back from necro to night fae for boomie pvp?

kindred patrol
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necro for boomkin was a meme to begin with, just when your goal is to live at all costs over all else

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did they find out if the night fae convoke leggo for feral is 6 class spells?

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or 5 or w/e half of the normal class spell was

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form spell*

stoic cove
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Not sure at all.

arctic rivet
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laughs in undead scourge

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whelp looks like I'm busting out the DK

tiny oar
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Ya that one.

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English is fucking wack I used to say it like drought

tiny oar
lime light
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ye

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but iam still unsur

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if its 12% of your haste

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or 12% haste

viscid remnant
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if its 12% haste gg broken spec

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isnt there a thing that frost strike refreshes chains of ice

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100% uptime gg

lime light
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also 5 sec silence

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with 1 min cd

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it looks like a affi unh or affi unh

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kinda

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the juice

arctic rivet
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Or good ol TSG just more refined and better

lime light
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i hope not

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or frost tsg

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i wanna play some unh dot comps

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and kinda happy with necro strike removed

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it was too op or too weak - always

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not worth pressing vs necro every global

tardy hare
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Duuuude

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Ebola comeback????

lime light
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yupi yey

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kinda hyped for sl now

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feral unhealable damuger

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unh changes kinda fun

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Machtig ebola on horde with me ofc

tiny oar
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The two eu experts together ofc

smoky sail
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Yo can u keep ur ebola we already have trouble right there

tardy hare
lime light
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yup

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not in this ssn

tardy hare
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pog

lime light
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thats a s4

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week one ofc

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little MeSmart

honest mesa
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Leave the rats alone guys

junior plover
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Feral gang

pliant trout
limber plover
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hey, what is strategy for rdruid/arm war?

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should I kiting till 60% damp?

obtuse ice
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Feral pog rn?

junior plover
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feral = happybear

viscid remnant
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arm war

junior plover
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Hand war

tough bluff
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is 1v1 easier as necro feral or fae? is the pressure from the ST bleed build that strong?

clear pulsar
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Being stronger than convoke isn't difficult

wise valley
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Damn I killed that photoshoot

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I miss separated dailies with unique rewards wow was better with them in it

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Cmm

clear pulsar
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I don't think meaningful rewards from daily quests makes the game better

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And if the rewards are all meaningless I couldnt care less which way they're presented

junior plover
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I miss the old kanye

cold escarp
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kanye 2024?

wise valley
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@clear pulsar where did I say meaningful

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I meant better dailies

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Tabard of the sunstriders is lit af

chilly ingot
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hi there any guide for pvp bear?

junior plover
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I liked when the game didn't need dailies and you would set your own goals

clear pulsar
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The game doesnt need dailies

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THere is no reason other than gold farming to do dailies

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You can do whatever you want for anima

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And renown

junior plover
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Ok just give me wow classic 2: electric boogaloo

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I liked when you had to interact with the entire world to progress your character Facepaw

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But in retail it'd be terrible

wise valley
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Random rep dailies

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Were better than whatever the fuck the maw is

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MoP

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Good example had dailies for everything even fishing

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Chill shit

cold escarp
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cause dailies exist since tbc

junior plover
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classic = good

cold escarp
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true

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tbc dailies arent that bad tho

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its for gold and rep

junior plover
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Yeah I agree

cold escarp
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and some catch up gear

junior plover
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MoP and TBC did dailies right

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even tho people hated MoP dailies

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it's just not a system meant for retail

cold escarp
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mop the problem was that daily hubs were scattered across all pandaria

junior plover
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which is why they never did it again after mop

cold escarp
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no it was annoying

junior plover
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use the world

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I mean yeah because it's retail

blissful belfry
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Dailies can be whatever the fuck they want. As long as they do not give disproportionate rewards

cold escarp
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yeah press auto fly and go alt tab for a minute

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such immersion

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i prefer if daily is one hub

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like in tbc the sunwell map

junior plover
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why have the world at all then

cold escarp
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it also had great world pvp

junior plover
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literally remove the world

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just put a dungeon hub

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with portals

blissful belfry
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lol

cold escarp
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at this point why not

junior plover
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I mean yeah it has come to this

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basically

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TBC dailies and MoP dailies were about the same thing

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but just different era

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in MoP everyone wanted everything to be giga optimized

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0 time wasted

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constant gratification

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and its still like that

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and I mean I like retail where I can just log in and do a dungeon or pvp

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but I wish there was a classic wow game too

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with new content and shit

cold escarp
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maw and choreghast exist

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and next patch there is more shit

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its gonna get worse as expansion goes mark my words

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they will add more and more chores to do

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like in bfa

junior plover
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torghast is spammable now

cold escarp
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bfa started with just islands

junior plover
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so you can do it in one evening

cold escarp
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then they also added warfronts

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and then corruptions

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in blizzard's logic more shit to do = better

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cause more login time

clear pulsar
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I never did islands after the first month of BFA

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Except to farm mog at the end

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Warfronts were legit normal ilvl gear once every 2 weeks

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Yall complain so much about meaningless shit

cold escarp
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its not meaningless

clear pulsar
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Just cuz it exists in the game it doesn't mean you have to do it

cold escarp
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its mandatory content

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you do tho

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you fall behind if you dont do it

junior plover
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warfronts?

cold escarp
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the pve bg

clear pulsar
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Azerite traits stopped being gated by neck level by 8.1.5

cold escarp
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that gave high ilvl item

clear pulsar
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It gave normal raid ilvl item

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????

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I am beyond words rn lmao

junior plover
cold escarp
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first of all stfu

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u always argue

ebon vortex
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heroic warfronts

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pog

junior plover
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oh nonono

cold escarp
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literally complaining about people's complains all day

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is that what u do here

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and second

junior plover
cold escarp
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there is a way to add content without it being mandatory

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if u just add another ways to get same things

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for example if u had an alternative way to get soul ash

cold escarp
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for example buying soul ash for honor

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or something idk

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or buying gem slots for conquest

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so u dont have to do maw

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why couldnt they do that?

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cause they dumdum

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they like that ppl grind

junior plover
cold escarp
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nah

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its legit criticism

clear pulsar
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Why do they force me to play the game in this RPG why is this RPG based on character power progression thru different systems

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Weeeeeee

cold escarp
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just because its rpg doesnt mean it has to be one dimensional rpg

clear pulsar
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I need to gain that sick 0.5% dmg boost weeeee

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If you could get everything thru arena then it would be one dimensional

cold escarp
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u can add progression though various content

clear pulsar
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Isn't your point that you need to play other things?

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XD

cold escarp
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no

clear pulsar
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I am out

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Showdown awaits

cold escarp
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my point is that im forced to do other things

clear pulsar
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To the top 10 of natdex

cold escarp
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shoo

junior plover
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The game was at it's best

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when you needed to do all content

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however

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retail is not an rpg

cold escarp
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exactly

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idk why ppl shoehorn this rpg argument

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wow is not rpg for a long time

junior plover
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This half assed approach is just worse than abandoning these rpg elements all together

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give us one or the other

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imo

cold escarp
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they try to please everyone

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and end up pleasing no one

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except face

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he is a huge fan

junior plover
#

Minmax ruined mmo rpgs thats just how it is

#

And Ashes of Creation will be the same

#

anyone who thinks it wont is on copium

#

either it will be too competitive and ruined by that

#

or there will be no meaningful content to do

cold escarp
#

dont know anything about ashes

#

i just know its crowdfunded which means it will be trash

#

there hasnt been a single indie mmo that worked out

junior plover
#

Runescape

cold escarp
#

runescape was indie?

junior plover
#

I mean

#

it was their first game

#

of a studio founded in 1999

#

if that aint indie

#

idk what is

cold escarp
#

it was a different time

junior plover
#

True

#

idk Ashes could be fun for a month or two

#

it's giga focused on RPG

#

players actually get elected as mayors of cities and can rebuild them and this and that

cold escarp
#

when does it release

junior plover
#

Alpha was gonna be 1st of June

#

but moved for obvious reasons

#

I think it's scheduled for end of June now

#

release probably 2023/2024?

cold escarp
#

oh

#

by that time wotlk classic is out

junior plover
#

by that time wotlk classic is over

#

so probably good time

cold escarp
#

if they do the same thing as they did with vanilla

#

keep the servers forever

#

ill stick to it forever

#

to wotlk i mean

junior plover
#

maybe the alpha is super polished and it'll be Q1 2022

#

who knows

junior plover
cold escarp
#

or maybe mop wow

#

one of those

#

mop was fun as fuck too

#

but in an over the top kind of way

junior plover
#

You'd get frustrated by lack of balance changes and stale meta at some point

#

just like people are right now in s1

cold escarp
#

theres dudes playing wotlk private server for a decade

#

warmane if u know it

clear pulsar
#

Then why are you not playing it?

junior plover
cold escarp
#

because its a private server

#

im not a criminal

clear pulsar
#

Ah big ethics guy

junior plover
#

No ethics here

#

but I already explained

#

my brain is wired to not enjoy pirated games

#

fucking brainwashed

cold escarp
#

same

#

i got duped

#

i wanted to pirate RE8

junior plover
#

Idk some people play wotlk forever

cold escarp
#

but couldnt get my self to download torrent

junior plover
#

some people play vanilla forever

#

but for the most part the community is made up of people who join for 1-2 months

#

and then never return

cold escarp
#

ye

junior plover
#

or return in 5 years

cold escarp
#

but think

#

eventually there will be all expansions classic

#

so each person will be able to play

#

whatever he likes

junior plover
#

I think they'll stop at cata otherwise you split the playerbase too much

#

and every classic server is dead

cold escarp
#

who knows

junior plover
#

yep

cold escarp
#

i just know shadowlands is dead rn

#

5 days till prepatch

#

and i still havent decided what i want to play

junior plover
#

mage

#

i'm rogueue

cold escarp
#

idk i dont want mana

clear pulsar
#

Bro

#

Literally the moment I queue a volcarona team I face 3 rain teams in a row

#

WHAT THE FRICK

junior plover
clear pulsar
#

How do you lose to volc

#

As a rain team

#

HOW DO YOU LOOOOSE

opal grail
#

balance still gonna be good in pvp?

arctic rivet
#

It should be

#

The best type of Boomy is left untouched and infact buffed thanks to some of the new pvp talents

#

Which are Kyrian Timeworn Boomies

#

NF boomies got hard nerfed but either way Kyrian Timeworn has been superior ever since

haughty compass
#

The first few star surges will still have 60% crit chance. And you’ll have a little more crit after a full convoke

arctic rivet
#

Ele Sham is one of the best DPS partners for Boomy.... now what are other options that can work really well with Boomy as well?

#

For 3s

#

How are Locks, SP and Mages for Boomies?

#

Or BM hunters?

junior plover
#

Wait since when is the PVP tab on inspect available outside of PVP instances

#

that's dope

#

I remember it wasn't at the start of this season

clear pulsar
#

It's always been

#

At least since legion 100%

#

Well since BFA start

junior plover
#

No way

clear pulsar
#

After legion

junior plover
#

So

#

I remember this very vividly:

clear pulsar
#

It was available all of BFA

junior plover
#

I thought it was an addon because it wasn't on my inspect

#

asked Snupy

#

he told me its only in instanced pvp

#

joined arena

#

and it was there

clear pulsar
#

Definitely not

junior plover
#

IT HAPPENED

clear pulsar
#

I spammed inspect people in BFA and could always see their pvp talents and rating

junior plover
#

So you're accusing me of lying

#

ok bro I thought we were cool

#

That's the weirdest mangela i've ever had

blissful belfry
#

Nf boomy might have a chance to be fine still in pvp in 9.1 with the new 1min convoke leggo

junior plover
#

It's more than fine

#

probably broken

blissful belfry
#

i can see goes line up every min on root beam clone

junior plover
#

30s of 400 mastery every minute

blissful belfry
#

rootbeam healer, clone off target, Stun from a friend on kill target. Convoke

junior plover
#

lmao

blissful belfry
#

every min

blissful belfry
junior plover
#

yep

blissful belfry
#

Kill the boomy when he shifts in bear with an extra 16% hp

junior plover
#

altho the max hp is the worst kind of max hp

#

it doesnt heal you when you gain it (I don't think?)

blissful belfry
#

gonna frenzy regen for fucking 50k hp

blissful belfry
blissful belfry
#

numbers are for ease of calculation and not representative of the hp gain by going bear

junior plover
#

its the same max hp that u get as bear

#

Not my fault I got mandela'd

tardy hare
#

How can u play the game if u cant see peoples CR

#

Smh

blissful belfry
#

Getting mandela'd is an expression meaning you acquired a false memory right?

tough bluff
#

as a primarily pvp feral druid, i wanted to necro but it was weak, so started kyrian, swtiched fae cuz it looked more fun, and now necro is meta.... do i switch again and grind renown again 😦

junior plover
junior plover
#

ever

tardy hare
#

??

#

U inspect people

#

In goldshire

#

Or durotar

#

And then spit om then

blissful belfry
#

Just realized something. How many 1min on use are there? I know of the pvp one, but i dont recall any other

tardy hare
#

Them

junior plover
tardy hare
#

If theyre not 2.4+

#

Also spit if theyre 2.4 thi

blissful belfry
#

1min convoke boomy might have a mandatory 1min trinket on use

junior plover
#

so you can wait

junior plover
#

the grind isn't all that bad tho, especially since youve already been necro

#

The fuck

#

are we the bad guys?

blissful belfry
#

yes

#

you play with bm

clear pulsar
#

Oh no

obtuse ice
clear pulsar
#

I'm not since I don't play with an hpriest

#

I'm one of the good guys

#

I play double feral with fuji

junior plover
#

It's 2v2

tough bluff
clear pulsar
blissful belfry
#

thats the main reason ferals are that common. they just play with bm

junior plover
#

so hpriest feral

blissful belfry
#

oh

clear pulsar
#

No one was necro, that doesn't mean it was bad

tough bluff
blissful belfry
#

2s

#

hmm

clear pulsar
#

It got a 5% buff, not 50%

junior plover
#

People really undervalued necro

#

and there was some confusion about the playstyle

#

it was BM Circle necro

#

which is actually bad

clear pulsar
#

Necro was the general suggestion during all of beta for feral pvp

#

Then it caught a nerf to how muc hdamage the dot itself does

#

Which wasn't all that big tbh

#

And people shifted away from it

#

It was definitely weaker in beta when it was all people played than it is now

tough bluff
#

my biggest reason to want to play necro is so i can also do resto in pvp

clear pulsar
#

The changes are all small

#

Then play necro

tough bluff
#

but the new fae legendary looks strong

junior plover
#

Bro if feral is already the best melee in 2s

#

can u imagine 9.1 with ms

clear pulsar
#

Then stay night fae

junior plover
tough bluff
#

what healer is best for feral 2s

clear pulsar
#

You either want to play necro or you want to play night fae my man

junior plover
#

Holy priest

#

by a large margin

#

then disc

#

then hpal probably

tough bluff
#

haha i want to play necro, but i dont want to grind renown again, and i also want to play the strongest, but think fae might be stronger 9.1

#

it is a terrible conundrum

clear pulsar
#

You can swap every 2 weeks

junior plover
#

You don't lose renown that youve had before you swapped

tough bluff
#

what

clear pulsar
#

9.1 is way more than 2 weeks away

junior plover
#

there isnt that much grind to do til renown 30

#

if you were like 20

blissful belfry
junior plover
#

you do 1 lfr

#

callings

#

youre good to go

clear pulsar
#

Yeah you just need renown 31 as well

#

For marileth cc immune

tough bluff
#

if i'm 40 renown fae, switch to necro, then go back to fae, what is my renown?

junior plover
#

40

tough bluff
#

😮

clear pulsar
#

Each covenant keeps its own progress

junior plover
#

yeee

tough bluff
#

oh shit

lime light
#

Idk how drunk the other Polish ape is

#

Looking for scuffed

#

Sites with random data

tough bluff
#

how hard is it going back to a covenant you ditched?

junior plover
#

Bro

#

its leaderboard data

#

full leaderboard

#

feral is the most popular spec

#

not some reflex data

clear pulsar
#

It's not an end game progression system lol

#

It's just 2 quests

lime light
#

And rdru are prolly feral outside now

junior plover
#

fair

#

still puts us next to arms

clear pulsar
#

Feral's not most popular spec in 2s

#

Not at all lol

#

That site is wilding

junior plover
#

actually

#

wait

#

that's representation probably

tough bluff
#

is feral actually strongest 2s melee? and why?

junior plover
#

so compared to population

blissful belfry
#

shush kiosk shush

clear pulsar
#

Feral's quite good

#

Cuz it does good damage

#

And can win games and stuff

junior plover
#

but that means feral is one of the best if it's the most common spec when accounted for population

#

a bigger % of ferals reach 2.2k

#

than any other melee

blissful belfry
#

can u link me your site instead of a pic, ima see what u readin wrong

junior plover
#

that's good enbough for me

clear pulsar
#

It's beecause feral players are the best

#

Feral players > arms players

blissful belfry
#

hehehe

clear pulsar
#

It is known

junior plover
#

True

blissful belfry
tough bluff
#

if i wanna actually push do i need to change from ztroll to tauren

#

ztroll is useless but i like asthetics better lol

hardy cargo
#

Your racial isn't going to automatically make you play better

tough bluff
#

ovi

clear pulsar
#

You can get any rating achievement as a znadalari night fae feral

tough bluff
#

i mean... with the right skill, time, and partner, yes

green valve
#

Also arms is both incredible and miserable to play depending what u q into

#

Ferals just fun regardless

tough bluff
#

but if we're talking the path of least resistance, or easiest way for anyone to get there.

clear pulsar
#

Arms into aff rdru PU_PepeXD

#

Or bm

junior plover
#

There is a meaningful difference between tauren and zandalari

#

but

#

yeah its just the path of least resistance

#

its not a huge difference maker

clear pulsar
#

Altho i'll say this

#

It's literally impossible to beat bm hunters as night fae feral

#

Even if you get a convoke setup right, it'll just dump every spell into pets

green valve
#

Bm isnt so bad since you can literally just cheese their life with deatg sentence, but yea lock/rdruid eill make you pull your hair out u right

blissful belfry
junior plover
#

The data shown here are for characters that have played games in the first week of May, 2021. This therefore shows an overview of the active ladder roughly at the time of publication.

#

lmao this is

#

1 week

#

of data

#

ffs

clear pulsar
#

That site is the one telling people they're a top 5% player for reaching 1800

#

I mean

blissful belfry
#

of course its the most recent week of data, it is meant to not take into consideration past trends

green valve
junior plover
#

but leaderboard data

#

they just take data directly from blizz

#

put it on a graph

#

so makes sense

blissful belfry
#

its a problem of logging on or off in other specs tho

#

Im a boomy loggin off boomy, all my games are resto

junior plover
#

Yeah but that's much more a boomie problem

blissful belfry
#

no accuracy from me

junior plover
#

than feral

#

cuz feral is unpopular af for pve

#

if you go to feral on leaderboards

#

almost all of them have feral leggos

#

i can guarantee

green valve
#

Necro feral priest 2s with ms in 9.1 really will be bonkers tho

junior plover
#

and before 9.0.5

#

there were never any necros there

#

so no restos

clear pulsar
#

It's not much of a problem for boomie data either

#

Diff covenants

#

I doubt any resto pvper plays boomie in pve as necro

#

The other way around is more likely

lime light
tough bluff
#

is feral > boom for 2s?

lime light
clear pulsar
#

Tian do you read?

#

It's based on characters that played games last week

lime light
#

Iam not reading

#

I was talking irl

#

And i did not read and neither finish

clear pulsar
#

Polish talk xd

#

I bet you dont even speak beautiful language like portuguese irl

junior plover
lime light
#

La puta

junior plover
lime light
#

Kiosk last warning

junior plover
#

very few boomies at high 2s rating

lime light
#

If u put

#

Some trashxan

#

Data in my channel

#

Wpierdalam się do warszawki i butowanko

junior plover
#

Outlaw > UH bro?

junior plover
#

check this out @lime light

junior plover
lime light
#

Ok iam out

#

Yoga time

#

🙏

green valve
#

Kinda crazy theyre giving unholy an auto necrotic talent

tough bluff
#

with necro feral do you apply swarm every time you rip pretty much?

green valve
#

Fury unholy tsg inc?

#

60% ms with constant necrotic stacking

tough bluff
#

that fury 60% MS is nuts

#

i thought you'd have to have constant uptime on rampage but from testing it stacks all 4 in 1 cast.

#

disgusting

junior plover
#

Yeah it's 60%

#

kinda wild

tough bluff
#

how much is the feral ms? 15% 2 stacks?

lime light
#

Fury ms is not perma

#

Unh ms is for 12 sec

#

Apoc goes super crazy

#

Feral ms is 24%

tough bluff
#

max or per stack

lime light
#

12% per stack

junior plover
#

Perma 24% + 40% slow

#

pretty solid

lime light
#

What

#

No

junior plover
#

wdym no

lime light
#

Should be more slow

#

Ofc

clear pulsar
junior plover
#

2x 20

clear pulsar
#

If it stacks with regular MS from other specs it'll be so cooked

lime light
#

IT does

#

Rn

junior plover
#

What

#

the fuck

clear pulsar
junior plover
#

Addition or multiplication?

clear pulsar
#

You can rampage every 10-12 seconds for sure

junior plover
#

can u go 100% with fury?

lime light
#

Isn't fury ms 6sec?

junior plover
#

^ i thought so

green valve
#

Yea but it stacks all 4 per rampage

junior plover
#

yeah so its 50% uptime

#

no perma

lime light
#

Ye that's what i thought

tough bluff
#

during burst it'll be 100% uptime

green valve
#

Its perma for the most part during cds

junior plover
#

even at 60% 50% uptime it's better than any other ms

#

cuz its 30%

tough bluff
#

and with new leggo for increased time reck when using condemn their burst will be long

junior plover
#

but then u have 60% on go

lime light
#

Idk if u guys agree, feral new honor talent is super good, but iam missing something new (not even op) like other classes get

small storm
blissful belfry
# junior plover can u go 100% with fury?

If ms ever stack together, its going to be multiplicative and not additive. like, 100% healing - 50% ms = 50% healing, then the other ms of 50% puts it at 25% effective. Wont be 50+50 = 100% less heals

junior plover
junior plover
#

but MS doesnt stack

#

normally

lime light
#

More kurwa slow

junior plover
#

so who knows

lime light
#

Dont trach me Polish english pls

#

And that's a common language in this channel

green valve
#

At least you can burst fury pretty easy

lime light
#

Polish-English

green valve
#

No d stanced and enrage regen is barely a defensive

tough bluff
#

yeah biggest weakness for fury is no good defensives

#

but idk if it will matter with their ms and uptime

#

the pressure will be real

junior plover
#

not bardziej powolne

#

u stupid

#

even in polish

tough bluff
#

esp w/ venthyr + death sentence. free charges every 5 sec is aids

junior plover
#

They removed overwatch which is good

green valve
#

No cc necessary

blissful belfry
#

how much damp u start in is 2s? 20 or 25

junior plover
#

20

blissful belfry
#

kk

junior plover
#

and instantly starts going

blissful belfry
#

so on gate open with the ms of fury, you already heal at 48% value

#

...

junior plover
tough bluff
#

my warr will be ready for 9.1. i leveled to play arms but have always loved fury, and arms was boring

blissful belfry
#

or

#

wait

#

my maths seems to be wrong here

junior plover
#

no its 32%

blissful belfry
#

ya

#

i multiplied the wrong number

#

32%

junior plover
#

ye thats actually not that bad

blissful belfry
#

fuck