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yeah but rogue dies
to whom
dk ww
so spriest kills everyone
they just played hunter spriest
and trained hunter
without issues
im sure they can train rogue too
the DK just destroys GG

Is it because of the diminishing returns with Cyclone sharing between both druids?
Yes
Makes sense
generally you dont want your healer to share class with dps
cuz dr issues
dayum they actually won with that cupid
didnt look like they had a chance
They become a meme garbage class unfortunately for PVP in 9.1 unless they add something for UH or Frost, I doubt Blood will be the new spec but the fact they buffed Blood and most of their utility has been moved to Blood only... that’s gonna be really weird of their tank spec becomes meta or the most viable for Dks
Heartstop is getting removed lol
They replaced it with an range reducing aura instead but a lot of people say its not good enough
However few of the very top Dks say its still useful so who knows
i mean its not getting gutted
its just heartstop
which again never should be a thing
the range reduction is good bc then while it isn't giga like heartstop it still makes it harder for like mages and warlocks to get off fears and shit on the dks healer or if the casters max range their own healer and dk is on the healer the healer can't heal them
plus dk has a ton of great pvp talents anyway
Uh... they kinda are... Heartstop was the bread and butter of frost, it was one of the reasons why Dks applied pressure so much, its one of the main things that makes Dk even viable
Its a heavy nerf still so Dk’s future is very uncertain but lets see how shroud plays out
Hopefully its good and keeps Dk still viable with it when it goes live
heartstop makes dk insanely good but its toolkit is already strong in like TSG and stuff without it
obviously not as good but still solid
i have a feeling unholy will be better than frost tho
I don’t wanna abandon my former main so I hope Dks are still good in 9.1
If they get new pvp talents or buffs for sure UH will be better
Low key hope bec Frost was just boring imo....
unholy is already kinda strong atm just not meta so unless it gets worse it wont be bad
unholy's biggest weakness imo is their pet dyign to celaves
cleaves
True but Dks can summon a new zombie instantly unlike hunters which is a channel revive
i cry the second my pet dies on my hunter alt bc i know there is a good chance they just forced turtle
xD
Man....
just feign and stealth
I need to play hunter Alt more I neglected him....
But there’s a reason I hang here more than the Hunter discord, Boomy main for life
is hunter discord even active?
It's active enough. But not active like this one.
I kinda wanna say thats because Warlocks are getting neutered in 9.1
Well Aff locks specifically
Which most locks mained Affliction
he just cant get the pet out
Oh god. Mes has the mind control bug.
weird, do other knockbacks work on turtle like typhoon?

I miss tree form
I miss when resto druids can be tree form permanently on top of having the heal bonuses and polymorph immunity
do yall think the new feral MS + highwinds will be a thing or is taking highwinds too much of a loss of an honor talent slot 
i think it will be too much of a hassle to shift out cast a clone and shift back in during ur burst window
so not worth spending a talent for it
but better ask the feral expert @junior plover
thats what i was kinda thinking, im moreso excited to try more comps other than jungle and fmp
i can't really even usually find a mage for fmp bc they wanna queue other comps xD
so usually just jungle
Pika new feral vid out, sterge outdpsing him as rsham every game
Theres plenty of other comps to play as feral anyway
Ye pika is not a good feral : )
i mean i have played other comps and they work but the prob is getting other people to wanna play without their meta comp
i guess i should say having people be open to playing w a feral so i can stop playing jungle
yea you use frenzy its actually insane burst as necro
Highwinds is mostly gonna be a boomy thing with Owlkin adept
ahh gotcha
Boomies are gonna be nuts with a psuedo MS with Owlkin Adept and High Winds
Kinda glad Guardian Spirit got nerfed so it made a new slot for Boomies to be extremely fast CCs as well as a pseudo reverse Mortal Strike
It cripples the healing done by the enemy you CC
Imagine warrior/druid comps or any Boomy comp with a partner that can MS
They MS the main target while the boomy cyclone CCs the healer and on top of that the healer won’t be able to save the target in time
yea i dont think we need that high winds change xD
With MS on the target and the healer’s heals gimped by 30%
i think the only way they can make highwinds balanced with that change is by making it "not stack with similar effects"
Probably cant fit high winds into feral
It gives a lot of utility for Boomy
Which I really like a lot
And unfortunately I don’t think you can fit High Winds for ferals but....
It would be kinda insane that 1 spec can Mortal Strike someone
And gimp the healer with a cyclone
well i think having utility for boomie is good but i think itll be a bit much balance wise
Gimp healer via Cyclone, quickly MS the target and start attacking
yea i think its a bit much bc im assuming feral mortal strike will function like other ones where it doesn't like
stack
Yeah
they prob need to make high winds do the same
Tho the playstyle feral plays would probably won’t benefit it as much unfortunately
Since ferals are very paper normally and changing to normal form to cast would end up killing you
oh i dont wanna play high winds as feral thats why i was wondering if i'd have to lol
Unless you go Boomkin affinity then your Boomy form can actually tank some of the damage while you cast better but its not worth losing Guardian Affinity
I’m excited for my boomy with the fast clones and reverse MS
That sounds fun especially when I have my bro who mains Warrior
Mortal strike + Sharpened Blade on kill target and Cyclone CC with 30% heal nerf on enemy healer is gonna be disgusting and fun
80% healing reduced when both are combo together on top of 15% increased damage....
Wait.... I thought it would add up
50% from warriors MS and 30% on nerfing healer’s heal via cyclone
Yep because clone nerfs the healing DONE by the target after getting out of clone by 30%
Use that on healers
Meanwhile the warrior uses MS on the target
i think its still multiplicative bc itll start out 100*0.7 then itll factor in the target's ms
so 100*.7 *.5
so 35% effectiveness
So 80% healing reduced on top of a potential 15% damage increase with sharpen blade on top of the target eating condemns, starsurges and wraths
so 65% healing reduced
i could be wrong but blizzard doesn't usually do additive stuff
Since technically the target is just receiving 50% less heals overall
But their poor healer is gimped so i thought it would add
it prob does the calculation from the ms on the healer then the ms on the target which means it'd multiply yea
Still that combo is gonna be nasty, that will definitely secure kills since often healers especially Hpals when they get CCed their partner is getting trained already at low HP and after they trink or break from the CC that dish out massive heals to prevent their partner from dying so that clone nerf will help secure kills a lot easier
yeah but playing with a warrior
Also it would do 350 heals in that case
yea im just hoping it doesnt even stack w ms tho tbh lol
Ele is better?
true 30% ms on top of ele boomie burst
Well in my case my bro mains warrior so I play with warrior
Tho he just got his Ele shammy 60 so...
Thats a coincidence
I didn’t know Ele and Boomy works well together
boomie ele is scary and tanky af
i mean yea
boomie ele is the most played boomie comp in the game
xD
I imagine due to the amount of off healings and self healing they are even viable for 2s then
Bec when I think of Boomy/Warrior I always think of 3s
idk about 2s but
yea 3s boomie ele is the most common comp and prob the best comp for boomie
at least in this season
i'd imagine rsham is the best healer for it in general
so def r1 viable
i guess hpal works bc in that comp
they can get drinks
Eh... I rather not have Rsham bec of the hex and other stuns diminishing returns
I’d take a Hpal or a priest or I guess soon with 9.1 MW monks
Since MW monks are gonna be busted
i think mw will be a super meta 2s healer but idk about 3s
Oh I thought the buffs will make them god tier for 9.1
in 2v2 i think they will yea
they might
hard to say in 3s
Nvm then I’d take Hpal or Priests for healers then
For that comp to be fully effective then
on these stats there are more games palyed w that comp w rsham at 2400+ but hpal is close behidn
as hpal
I wonder how come Ele and Rsham are still good
Despite sharing diminishing returns which is why Resto Druids are a bad match with any DPS druids
Ah
and rsham wont oom
Good point
esp w double wizard that can punish overextenders
true
Jesus shammies are insane
They’re so far the only class where all 3 specs are S top tier
imo all the healers are
good rn
or not a big gap between them
till u are a disc facing melee cleave
maybe not mw
true
Every spec being top tier powerful is insane
Oh and Priests too
Priests are another class thats top tier in every spec, Druids are also getting there now that Resto druids are getting really strong
you underestimate how good double shear double ground is
boomys big weakness is no kick and rsham covers that
Yea still think boomies gonna be playing mostly double caster
Play warr boomie and you just get trained start to finish
Isnt the worst thing
But wont be getting too many perfect setups
Gonna help carry my bro’s shammy alt then with my boomy
get him geared up and everything
Warr anything works lol
resto
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i know when to stop afking
get him off
and there is an action

@clear pulsar where u at
Rsham is 2nd worst healer in the game
I think top tier is a bit of a reach
is thrash worth pressing as necro with like clear casting proc
mayb but prob not
i did talk about it with axtin before i believe
dont press
only if u are playing bite condult
lol cdew just got big bolted
You sure? I thought resto sham was extremely strong with the fact it can CC a lot on top of being hard to oom
Its not bad
but all other healers except mw are better
I'm putting Hpriest and Disc together since theyre matchup/comp dependant and more like builds than different healers
but even by themselves hpriest and disc each have higher leaderboard representation than shaman by far
If Priests are very comp dependent then what comps makes priest viable then?
Disc and Holy
que es esto
Is it possible to kill a disc priest as feral? I cant ever seem to get them inside my convoke then its gg lol
Disc priests are tough as nails
They are incredibly hard to kill, infact they’re near to impossible to kill unless the priest is terrible
They have a lot of defenses and damage reductions its insane, me who alted a Disc priest with 140 ilvl and 7% verse can tank and survive heccing 220 ilvl brutes that train me
Meanwhile my zug zug warrior bro murders them
While still keeping him alive
Their main weakness is they OOM fast
Basically you train the priest until you make them oom or train their partner and make them oom from their heals, thats their main weakness
So i swapped necro and till i make draught still messing arpund as boomie
Its kinda fun
If it was just a little stronger itd be fine tbh
They are my kryptonite 1000% Atleast you didnt tell me im just trash :b Good to know!
They can fucking tank a BOAT Convoking boomie
Thats how tough these guys are
Their dome + Pain Suppression and Rapture while gripping their partner and giving them aoe heals and strong bubbles while in dome can keep them alive
Its insane
Their biggest flaw which is one of the many reasons why Holy is slowly overshadowing Disc priests is they don’t have a kick and they don’t have Greater Fade
Holy Priests do more heals and keeps the team alive while ooming a lot slower but Disc can tank a beating
yeah i feel that
i tried playing holy some lately and like i feel like i can livelord so hard as disc whereas like 1 badly timed kick on holy and you literally insta die
but fade is pretty sick tho
Thats because Disc uses both Shadow and Holy schools
You get kicked, you can still use either penance or Shadowmeld
On top of all the shit you can use to reduce your damage
No Disc Priest uses both
However some of their CCs are considered shadow such as MC and Mindgames
Yes, that's how they bait kicks
Priests are very powerful
The one thing that balances them is they OOM fast
But thats about it
Holy does not oom fast
Holy is tanky until they run out of cooldowns.
Disc is tanky unless facing a comp with spam purges
Or the match goes on into dampening
For low CR Disc is easier and better to play
I agree
But at higher CRs Holy overshadows it as matches are a lot longer and dampens
On the easier part
Low cr is quick thanos matches
It really just comes down to the comp as to which is better
Yeah tho everyone lately has been saying Holy is simply better than Disc in every way rn its super strong atm
From the Priest Discord
You beat me to it
Yep
Idk if its due to my current gear but I do so much better at disc but maybe its due to my current situation of my priest being freshly capped along with shit gear and being low CR
In all the seasons I've played Holy this is the strongest it's been.
Maybe when I get decent gear I’ll be able to play Holy better
I tanked and survived and won a lot of matches with 150 ilvl as Disc priest
Against carry teams with a 226 ilvl carry
And my bro just zug zugs them
Could that be because you understand Disc better?
Something to do with disc cds being % DRs rather than pure healing too
Maybe... its easier but the priests in the priest discord says Disc is a lot more tankier than Holy against being trained directly with heavy blows too
From direct bursts and damage
Priests work well with our fellow druids right? If so I would love to do arenas with you guys with my priest if you’re Horde
I think thats why and I can get away with shit gear because holy crap I reduce damage for everything and thats also how I keep my bro alive too
I'm Alliance
I can still survive heavy Rogue/Ferals, Rogue/Mage and Rogue/Rets bursts as Disc
And god damnit :c
None of those comps can spam Purge unless the Mage is Arcane
And unless I'm queuing there probably won't be any
Every Xaryu video is the same
And thats why priests are very unkillable
You just force them to OOM if their Disc
If their Holy..... GL
so idk if its just me or not but what do i do as feral hpriest vs arms rdruid in 2v2
it seems almost one sided
lol
I'm changing my keybinds
Need some inspiration
@vestal citrus hit me with it
@rigid linden show me your keybinds bro
I need to copy the best
I spent a good amount of time this weekend
Setting up elvui

I feel defeated
The addon sucks you have to reload cuz some dumb setting gets stuck all the time, buncha lua errors with movers
But I'm determined to make my UI look pretty
I just need new bars
Nah you can just
Place bigdebuffs manually
But yeah stupid shit
Also
Omnicd > ATT
Works just fine with elvui party
Jesus...
Personally Idk how you play with those binds but thats mostly due to how I normally bind of stuff for all my toons
R I use as my Starsurges, Void Eruptions, Condemn, Howling Blast, basically I use R as my spammable big damage ability
For Dks its a little different since Oblit is my big spammable but due to how rime procs I’m used to having Obliterate Q and Rime R
Which I spam between the 2 a lot due to procs
For Boomy I have my Q and E as my Sunfire, Moonfire which I got used to using these as my spammable dots so I did the same thing with my Priest for Shadow
I use F for Wrath and shift F for Starfire which I got used to using as my big channel damage spells or when it comes to my Dk or Pally I use it as my few ranged abilities like frostwyrm breath, Death Coils, Avenging Wrath or Kill Shot
Aimshot used to be there until I changed to BM for my hunter lol
I use 1-5 as my utility buttons
1 are always my kicks
Due to having a lot of tauren toons 3 is my war stomp or my aoe stun
Which I use my aoe fear for my priest as she’s undead
2 is my single target CC or spammable CC thats where I use Cyclone
Oh my oh my, update on my friend who bought a 2k to 2.1k carry yesterday. After 5 hours of queue yesterday he was -11. Now With todays queue he's at -89... shoulda stayed palyin with me and not buy xD
4 is entangle roots
Since boomies don’t have a true kick I use my root/beam macro as bind 1
Mouse scroll up are normally my charges or speed boosts or Death Grips
I have Cat form as mouse scroll up, shift mouse scroll up for instant Prowl for my druid
C is boomy form and X is Bear form
Lmao yeah they are
If I can beat boosters with my 150 ilvl freshly capped Priest then they truly are terrible
QER rotational buttons 100p
^
Thats what I use as my rotational buttons
With the exception of boomkin as I spam Wrath and Starfall with F/Shift F when I get eclipse after I use up all my astral power with starsurges
Thats the only thing that isn’t my rotational buttons that I use other than QER since again used to using F as my big damage channeled ranged spells
Also F for Fire too so... feels great
Lol
this is my UI
these are my binds, don't mind the blank binds those are just extra spaces
all made via Bartender
also normally I put ZXC and SHIFT-ZXC as my very big CDs or Defensive CDs but in the case of Druid I actually use that for my forms, also T is usually my big burst button usually macros with my Orc Bloodfury Racial, Ferocity badge and any ability that buffs my damage that is off CD with a very big damage ability that has a GCD
My druid's T button pops
Lone Empowerment, Sinful, Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity, Celestial, Alignment
and a big fat Fury of Elune on someone followed by Starsurge spam and wrath spam
Idk how to make it look pretty, I just made them stacked up together and get them closer to my central view a bit so I can always see my abilities CDs quickly
i prefer that tbh lol
You prefer your bars to be literally fucking animals
as icons
and incarn as a snowman
???
Lmao
Snowman incarn kinda cute
Those are acceptable binds, but what are your heals bound to then when you play resto aff?
Just don't play resto aff???
Actually now that I have regrowth binds on wheel i can probably do wheel with modifiers to do resto affi heals
Thanks for the idea


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Thats y
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More fun
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Is that english or spanish or german or
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Damn thought face was my friend
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I agree
5 for TF
5 for rip
4 for rip
3 for FB
That as well
🤝
Regrowth is not even bound aside for party123 on scroll
This is the way

just make the scroll macro be mouseover over a123
so u can scroll in any direction with mouseover
WeSmart
My man
Got it somewhere for when i need to heal other targets
I dont play with hunter
People who play jungle
Are boring
Meta slaves
or they are stuck for ages with that disgusting ape comp
where disc dies to any melees
and hunter cant kite
oh its me
F
Still not done the glad wins mr patron?
Smh
so we lose like 5 in a row, after that we good again
I would never
so we win next 5
heal hunter pet
and thats over
u have to assert dominance
for a month
Patron plays the game like I do apparently lol
wont let me complete campaign quest cus world quest is active zzz
on the topic of keybinds
i cant believe how terrible mouseover regrowth is
compared to scroll
holy shit
I played like that for half a year?
The pvp community should bully anyone using mouseover so it doesnt spread
Explain
yes
And we change subject to feet

fact
It's 2 things that I hate bro
Watching people
Mouseover heal/dispel, mainly dispel
And healers that keep switching focus
Cuz their cc is only bound as focus
Ye
supatease clicks targets and party frames on 3k disc priest
ye

Whaaz clicks frames
nameplates rather
yeah clicking frames is alpha
but if you're healer and clicking party frames
is just bad
Yeah bro I swear party1/2 heals are so goated
AT LEAST
A key to target
Party1
And a key to target party2
Watching people running while looking at a wall cuz they're mouseover healing and cant move camera
something with E

i will look for it
I was honestly surprised to hear there are top healers that target heal
works for me cause i play boomy and dont have instant heals TBH
only issue for feral
its fine if ur ranged
its never fine

they should just remove instant regrwoth from feral
if u wanna heal so much just play resto
Talking about healers
Full time mouseover
fucking hybrid players i swear
It just looks ridiculous
U dont get how many globals u miss
and how much brain space is occupied
by trying to find the right frame to mouse over
i will never
alt f4 works
no problem
Q and modifiers are party heals / dispels
Q is rake and auto cat form out of cat
My keybinds are so bad overall, but I’ve had em for like 12 years so what can ya do
Q is cat form
esc
These are all bound
I find them too out of the way so I was thinking of just using them for consumables and mount
i never used f1-f4 until druid
Caps lock is my alt @cold escarp
Maybe I remap alt to be a different key
middle click
Since I use caps lock as alt
remap alt to be alt
No modifiers
whats wrong with 6 y n
oh ok
Pia to hit lol
idk all my stuff on modifiers
yeah i have innervate on Y cause who cares just press it every 3 min and forget
Pve combat
never heard of such disgusting thing
second bar ez
no
i use alt + mousewheel down /up
to scroll between them
i put all non combat there
disenchant
wormhole
shift arrow up
Also you can combat rez in random bg
no one is worthy of my combat rez in random bg
- Didnt know you could 2. Truth
disgust
nah its comfy
there are classes that u have to do it on like warlock
cause u have like 10 non combat spells

create soulstone create soulwell , summoning gate , enslave demon
create healthstone
and some more i forgot
so ur either clicking or u swap bars
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yeah i know this
Ya imagine being a dumb fat owl, disgusting
I thought it was a big fat chicken
Then again Tauren Boomies look more like chickens than Night Elf ones
Then it makes perfect sense to be Kyrian then
Owl kind


Lol
Its true you can go triple owls with Kyrian boomie
Have these 2 and be in Boomy form
I’m surprised no one memed the TF2 Pootis bird with Boomy
Fat Boomy reminds me of the Heavy from TF2 especially with the bird head cosmetic
Yes indeed
When youre playing necro feeal you wanna pop cds right after rake stun so every dot gets boosted?
Before is better
TF
Before
I do TF Rake Swarm FF Rip Moonfire
But idk if it's right
TWEET TWEET!!!!
thats what i been doing too and was wondering if there was a better way
felt bad kinda wasting CP
but i guess getting the TF up is more important
Yeah I think so
Well I took a page out of the pve boom
Book
Where you wanna TF before rake stun
Even at 100 energy

In pvp you don't actually need too much energy after you get full bleeds up
So it's probably better
So would this be wrong then? Stealth rake -> pop everything -> ff -> rip -> dots -> swarm
U want swarm on when u ff
Is swarm dynamic?
Ohh aight
Like does it dynamically update bleeds/dots
U wasted 50% of FF on no swarm
Ah
Yeah it does
But yeah it's about FF duration
Oh yeah swarm is pretty long
You do swarm FF rip moonfire
That's 3 globals
All of them full damage
Ok so do it before the ff
If you have 5 cp
You can pre rip rake moonfire
Then swarm into ff maim
Since it doesn't matter for those as they're longer than swarm
Aight makes sense to get dots rolling before swarm ff

And remember to snapshot dots with TF
Even after tf is over the rip will keep the bonus damage
Just rerake and rip henn when cds popped to overwrite the weak bleeds
And other dots too
Yee
I'm not actually sure how it works exactly
Theres this thing for dots in the game
Aight makes sense like old affi snapshotting
If you dot when your dot is still running
It will extend the duration past the tooltip max duration
Like 32s rip or smth
I'm not sure if it snapshots the entire 32s
Can someone tag face2face he probably knows but my tagging is fucked
@clear pulsar
There we go
Ferals fun man, its like really intricate but really simple at the same time
U go fast
Can't be sheeped
Can't be slowed
Can't be stopped
Can't be rocked
We hot
And yeah necro feels really good to play


i swear to a god
if u lose as bm jungle
u deserve to q into bfa s4 double destro
whole day
Bm can lose easily what u mean
One of them always lose when its a mirror match

how is that possible
one of the pets does same dmg as my survi hunter
legit 3 survi hunters in enemy team
and guardian druid
My main comp right now is shadowplay and every 30s, this dude just removes every single one of their dots
so yeah, i feel the pain. Not only do they hurt, they also immortal
its 15s?
wat
das not fair
yeah its 15
oh theres a leggo for that right
yes the lego makes cd 15 sec and remove all debuffs
def not shadowplay
i dont think any spec can
ima tell u straight up
even if they feel danger they just run behind pillar
while doing 50% dps because pets
Kitty cleave seems good into jungle
No joke
But I'm playing at like 2k mmr
If you have 2 very hard to kill dps that have enough pressure to warrant constant peel for the healer
Jungle doesn't have that many options
Have to use cc defensively instead of setting up traps
So Turbo is probably still good into it as well?
arms warrior is the answer to all
in 2s maybe in 3s i doubt
they play with 3 pets
and one of the pets can cast clone
its actually so unfair
if u are playing
disc survi KYRIAN jungle
and face bm hpriest jungle
Just lego.
why
cuz kyrian hunter does no dmg, all he do is piss damgur
just respec and swap covenant
dots that ticks for 1k and can be outhealed my any hot in the game
looooooooooooooooool








