It does buff FF
#pvp
clear pulsar
But everything else is dynamic
Thing is just getting the FF out quicker I think
It does buff the direct hits too @pallid coral
Altho it's 175 to 236 damage
For a total of 305 extra damage
Tell me about it
By my count I've swapped covies 14 times on my main
random patrol
only 14?
haughty compass
Just level an alt
clear pulsar
I have 2 alts
My warrior's been venthyr then necro now kyrian, will prob go back venthyr next week
My alt druid's been every covenant except venthyr twice
'Just level an alt' isnt an answer to a dogshit system
Glyph a weeb
haughty compass
Yea fair enough, I wasn’t trying to be a dick face lol
clear pulsar
You're a dickface
surreal heron
?
clear pulsar
I'm just defending myself
People call me shitface fuckface dickface all the bad names
clear pulsar
wise valley
face2fuck
vague mural
after we get a mortal strike in 9.1 what comps do you think will open up to us? or do yall think we're still stuck w jungle/fmp
vague mural
idk what featherfeet is but dk feral and FLP sounds fun
unholy im guessing not frost tho right
vague mural
i like feral shpriest in 3s but my only friend i had that played shrpiest quit bc he didn't like it
F
tawny inlet
lmao is this it? i just have to stun the monk when he karmas me and wait out the debuff to wreck him?
tawny inlet
well karma redirects my own dmg back to me
and monks i fight seem to just....lose outright....when i wait it out
green valve
Tell your pally to bop it then never stop doing dmg
clear pulsar
It's a dot too, priests paladins and monks can just dispel it
After you break thru
The absorb
tawny inlet
i solo pvp mostly :3
wise valley
??
vague mural
i mean rated some people only queue for maybe an hour at a time sometimes
not necessarily a big time sink
more time does help tho obvi
tawny inlet
well you also have to find people to queue with, especially when one is like me, unrated, as people generally dont like queue with unrated ppl
vague mural
other unrated people do
tawny inlet
have tried making groups to do it earlier, took ages last time i tried, which was when i was more active in bfa
vague mural
yea usually once you have a decent queue session you add the person so you never gotta lfg again or rarely do
tawny inlet
*for arenas i mean, rbg is easier to get into from what i have seen
vague mural
oh idk i dont do rbgs
tawny inlet
i did do some unrated arenas with @cold escarp , but unsure if I am anywhere near their rank :p
iirc when i tried to get better rating in bfa due to the gear system back then, i got to 1400 or something, and i could still climb, i just had other stuff to do so didnt get back to it
no idea whats **average/normal ** low or high of rating, ive only heard of ppl brag about being 2.4k or something, but i got no clue of the scales so doesnt tell me much
haughty compass
Is NF feral trolling? I kinda want to try feral now too lol
green valve
Do it brother
quick nebula
Yo why is pikaboo playing feral right now lol
stray sigil
hes under the impression that feral gonna be busted
but he plays assa too
idk pika is def not the smartest about stuff
but feral also makes a lot of sense for ggs anyways
clear pulsar
Yeah wizk is their multiclasser but if FPS or FMP are something they want to play over jungle, then wiz can't be both dps in the same comp
I really dont think pikaboo will touch feral in the awc
It's just stream content for shits
lime light
Content that's all
Pika cant multiclass
Just good shit to do on stream
New character gearing
Playing with peasants
blazing kite
I cant really find any guardian pvp guides, what trinkets should i usually go for?
lime light
Medalion (the one that clears CC from u) and possibly battlemaster
The one with temporary hp
Yup
They wont Play jungle or fmp
Either warrior mage
Yup
We both know
How it is
How it was
And how its gonna be
stray sigil
i think feral sp rsham could be pretty insane next patch with feral ms
and like feral kinda similar to assa
lime light
Yup yup
lime light
How many classes can dispel disease
stray sigil
monk pala
lime light
All but druid Monk?
stray sigil
priest?
lime light
Priest can
stray sigil
priestp ala i think
lime light
Pala can ? Cuz they can dispel dp
stray sigil
ya pala can
lime light
Monk druid i think
lime light
And they are gonna be meta i belive
In 9.1
So that's good for our ms
Also the slow
Seems to be insane on paper
Holy fuck
stray sigil
i think pala gonna be kinda poop next patch
if rdru is big meta
and dampen shit is back
they haveno mana now
lime light
Monk rdru meta imo
lime light
Boomkin affinity + new slow
stray sigil
ret war mayb
lime light
U are wrong about Monk, they are always dog one ssn
And then super insane op
In next
That even rogue mage gonna Play with mw
clear pulsar
Well they're rogue mains
stray sigil
did he metnion why he went nf ata ll
clear pulsar
I opened stream for 20s bro
Ask someone who's continuously watching for a long time
lime light
Feji still a kid
And dont understand
He needs content to earn big money
Cuz Feji still getting money from daddy
So he can race change/faction change every week
lime light
junior plover
I agree
that u can bully
idk Pika is like the best at the most mechanically demanding class
youd think he could play any melee
we'll see if he commits
probably not since its NF
clear pulsar
idk Pika is like the best at the most mechanically demanding class
That would be cassidy sir
junior plover
That would be cassidy sir
wait hes live rn
has he been live for 8 hours or wat
hardstuck 1600
"I hate this class this is horrendous"
clear pulsar
Pika can literally only play assa at tourney level bro
They deadass lost every series when he was sub only before assa buffs
Never won as ww
Wizk is the ret player
junior plover
I guess that what playing 1 spec since you were 3 years old will do for you
junior plover
Yeah I mean if it was a tournament character he'd be playing with his teammates getting boosted
not an egirl
clear pulsar
He was
junior plover
ah
clear pulsar
He tried some 2s with sterge
junior plover
Hes playing ret with some egirl
clear pulsar
Sterge was not happy
junior plover
Lmao hes actually so bad wtf
I mean he's 200 ilvl to be fair
but hes doin nothing
clear pulsar
It's cuz rogue gets finishers out the wazoo
He isnt used to needing 5 builders for a finisher
junior plover
lime light
its for egirls
junior plover
all his chat trying to coach him
I was about to give him a tip but he wont read it anyway or care i dont think
He doesnt press FF
like ever
he randomly presses it
He maims the guy
does nothing to him
then when hes safe
FF
lime light
ye thats how u play rogue
u kidney or dance on dr
thats it
XD
ngl but so whaazz is
but he cant play everything tho
junior plover
He just went bear
on his go
mashing his keyboard
lmao
whaz = god
it is known
cant wait for the day top10 ladder is 10 whaz alts
all different spec
its coming soon
Losing with 2500 mage at 1500 mmr
lime light
Losing as a mage
junior plover
Yo I have 0 soul ash
but max rank circle
how terrible is circle necro
i kinda wanna just send it leave convoke in the dust
fuck it clip it and ship it
clear pulsar
Just do it
It's noticeably worse single target dam
But better multitarget pressure if you wanna bother with that
By noticeably I mean you'll be annoyed cuz you have to reapply shit earlier and get fewer of other globals
And it's less dam ofc
junior plover
Yeah im even thinking
maybe max rank circle > rank 1 draught even
its sooo many stats
any reason not to macro TF onto swarm?
clear pulsar
Idk for pvp its prob whatever
Optimal swarm use in pve you hold it a bunch
So wouldnt macro
clear pulsar
maybe max rank circle > rank 1 draught even
No shot
Circle = more maintenance globals, less direct damage, lower dot dps, and lower Swarm uptime
clear pulsar
Draught also buffs the direct damage portion of Rake
I am bear leggo hoe
So dont ask me
I'd run it every game
junior plover
i see
clear pulsar
But you are just god mode
Unkillable
I've also been having some unbearable crashes
The last week or so
Maybe 2 weeks
Idk why
clear pulsar
It happens anytime anywhere, I've tried all the troubleshooting in the world
junior plover
tried reading crash logs?
clear pulsar
Im not that smart
junior plover
send em to me
never read wow logs but maybe i can see something
cuz im code monkey
junior plover
clear pulsar
junior plover
oh my god i need a moonfire button
are u kidding me
might take thrash off my bars lmao
at least the easy access binds
clear pulsar
I have tried everything save for a clean windows installation
junior plover
monkaS
It might be a driver issue
in that case
maybe some driver updated automatically
clear pulsar
Disabled addons, then deleted addons cache and wtf, scan and repair tool, full reinstall on a different file path, rolled back amd driver to 3 diff stable versions, updated to newest optional build, etc etc
Tried opening wow without bnet launcher, with no discord, anything
It's an error 132 which is apparently a memory leak? Memtestwhatever didnt give me any errors after 1h and I didnt wanna bother letting that shit run over night.
Crashes in dungeons, in pvp, idle in cities, doing world quests, pet battles
It's fucking ridiculous
clear pulsar
I deleted ptr but maybe it cooked something
I tried 4 or 5 diff amd driver versions bro
junior plover
Thats why i always partition windows to be on its own drive
I try anyway
some programs wont ask for instal path
and will just book it to C drive
then u just wipe the windows partition pull up a new one
good to go
clear pulsar
The last driver updates made by windows are from december so idk what other driver could be
clear pulsar
A thread in forums say changing wow to dx11 legacy fixed error 132 crashes
It's recent too
It's just unplayable shit man
I can log back in in 15s but
Thats basically a guaranteed wipe
hollow cypress
How do you guys and girls keybind your shifting? Inc any macros plz. Thank you
sterile swift
So it's worth to just swap to boomie at high cr anyways, right?
despite playing bear?
I feel like orbs and fc maps are better done as boomie
with bear affin
ebon vortex
yeah guardian fc is fucking ridiculous
junior plover
But yeah on orbs you can play dps
and on everything else it depends on what u wanna do
bear sits a lot better than any other druid spec
boomie is teamfighter
hollow cypress
Boomkin FC with correct talent and flap with Barkskin Lego is fine but I feel like guardian is superior most due to sleeper being border line if not broken.
junior plover
You can guarantee yourself running all the way to your base without being ccd
and boomie gets... flap
wat?
ebon vortex
you can jus tplay boomie affinity if you really want flap
ebon vortex
the only requirement for flap is that you know the ability and have moonkin form iirc
junior plover
Do you learn the ability by glyph or smth?
ebon vortex
yeah
junior plover
I see
hollow cypress
@junior plover I'm new and haven't used it yet but have a look.
junior plover
Yeah I know what Flap does just thought they made it baseline
I remember a clip from early season where
a boomie used Incarn Flap
got kicked
cuz enemy thought it was convoke
and instantly deleted the enemy team with convoke
good times
hollow cypress
What affinity do guardian go with? Resto?
junior plover
I think vortex is the only affinity ability thats worthwhile
ebon vortex
yeah
ebon vortex
you can meme with typhoon on eye of the storm
foggy ravine
Lol I played a boomy the other day that kept using flap whenever he eclipsed I was like wtf is this guy doing
In arena
junior plover
Now u know
hollow cypress
Guy's I'm new and have achieved 1800 via pugs going up and down like a made man. I made a goal to get into any grp that will have me.
I got into a PvP community recently which has some super nice higher skilled member who are teaching lower/newer player.
Issue is I got in and got 1950cr ATM which is amazing and learning so much.
I got solo caped by rouges 3 times and I know that shouldn't be happening.
Is it better to just go guardian when they sit me?
I got sleeper, and barkskin Lego.
I was boomkin with fury of elune and trees still failed as 1v1 vs rouge lol.
neon isle
If your purpose in the group is just defending/spinning then guardian is stronger and easier
Unless you really fuck up a person should also be able to get to you before the rogue even gets close to capping tho
foggy ravine
As boomy sitting vs. rogue don’t go near the flag
neon isle
Just have a person floating if you might have someone incing you and don't go into smoke bomb
foggy ravine
Stay at range and they can’t cap on you
Smoke bomb is 5s and cap is 6s you can spam moonfire and spin them
How are you being solo capped if you tell us maybe we can help
twin orbit
What are some good 2s comps with druid rogue?
twin orbit
is necro bis for boomie pvp?
hollow cypress
@foggy ravine I think my mistake was bomb, didn't know bomb was 5secs and now I do.
So he open with bomb and cap, I tree's je vanished i panicked and got opened out of form and died in a stun basically.
The time I was to close and got blinded, had to trinklet then vanished into sap as I didn't stealth fast enough.
Been trying to find videos to help.
I think I might go out and dual some rouges so I can get a few for the 1v1.
I'm new so I get super nervous and mess up.
hardy cargo
is necro bis for boomie pvp?
No, kyrian is.
hardy cargo
<@167453546365714432> I think my mistake was bomb, didn't know bomb was 5secs an...
Ok so, you're getting opened by rogue, are you not stealthing?
haughty compass
Can I do apex for night fae feral pvp?
Wanna do some m+ too
I’ve been a moonkin since 96 newb feral
hardy cargo
I'm confused, the way you're wording it makes it seem like you're not stealthing and the rogue has plain view to cc/bomb you
twin orbit
No, kyrian is.
is this the same for feral?
neon isle
No it doesn't @hardy cargo
hollow cypress
@hardy cargo naa that time I was stealth opened with trees as he was in bomb. He vanished and I did stealth coz I was so nervous and panic hit me lol.
neon isle
Inmediately after vanish he's still in combat
hardy cargo
Ahh
hardy cargo
is this the same for feral?
Kyrian is decent for feral
neon isle
Just remember max ranging and try to atleast be in moonkin form as much as possible
If you stand 40yd away he can't step you either
25 yards iirc
foggy ravine
^
twin orbit
I guess what is the catch all covenant for arena druids?
junior plover
There is none
Rdruid is exclusively Necro
Feral is Necro > Kyrian > NF
Boomie is Kyrian > NF >>>> Necro
blissful belfry
Its not really a gap. More like a playstyle preference.
twin orbit
ok sweet
thank you all
i have 2 druids and im trying to set them up for pvp and m+ for 9.1, I am pretty new to arena
going to go Guardian/Boomie NF and Resto/Feral Necro
will be mostly playing 2s with a sub rogue
junior plover
whats the gap like between nf and kyrian?
Minor for sure
junior plover
Just be aware that you need to wait 2 weeks before swapping covenants back
twin orbit
its ok i have 2 druids
junior plover
Ahh gotcha
blissful belfry
yes
blissful belfry
althugh, i just saw your comment about setting up for 9.1
BOAT will get a massive nerf in 9.1
which will probably hurt NF-Boat boomies a lot
its something you have to consider
twin orbit
Yeah worst case I might just switch to Kyrian
should be fine to tank m+ with still
or make whatever bis boomie leggo crops up
junior plover
There's no telling what will happen to boomie/feral in terms of covenants in 9.1
the new legendaries could be extremely strong
or useless
haughty compass
Can I run circle with night fae fwral? I dont want to craft like 3 leggos lol
green valve
I had on BOAT @haughty compass and was crushing
hardy cargo
The only time you should run circle is rdru 20+ keys. I'm pretty sure its a bad leggo for feral.
haughty compass
Feral
green valve
And then died when i got swapped too lol
Yea youre joining me on feral adventures right lol?
Just jump in some skirms before you make anything lol
junior plover
If you want to share a legendarie on feral and rdru
you can play feral affi
and necro feral
with draught
but verdant infusion is op
cold briar
hey All, Looking for some advice, I am really struggling getting higher rating than 1400/1500 rating in 2v2. I normally play with a Condemn Warrior as a Resto . Could any1 explain our win condition... what should my aim be? any advice would be greatly appreciated!
honest mesa
anyone play draught feral as NF or kyrian?
might be good for pressure matches, fearful sym feels like low value
junior plover
hey All, Looking for some advice, I am really struggling getting higher rating ...
Dont die until your enemy dies
unironically
you spend all game surviving and applying consistent pressure
tardy hare
Warrior playstyle is indeed literally just he a livelord
junior plover
if the opponent doesnt kill you you win by default
junior plover
anyone play draught feral as NF or kyrian?
I tried circle but it wasnt good
I was thinking draught for 2s vs arms
could be good
honest mesa
I was thinking draught for 2s vs arms
yeah same, might make it 225
cold briar
so playing Feral affinity ? when should i be aiming to CC ?
junior plover
I would actually recommend not touching feral affinity
max range your heals so that the enemy team cant get easy cc on you and kill the warrior
cold briar
i guess there are times i do get caught when go in for a shred.. but normally i do get away with it and manage to apply pressure through dots
i will try play games more passive and see how i get on!
against teams like RShammy where GladiatorIos spams me with "Purge" .. how do you counter team who just purge all the HoTs ?
honest mesa
make them spend their globals on healing
cold briar
thats more a job for my warrior then yeah ?
honest mesa
yeah
haughty compass
Anyone try Apex in arena? Or too rng
cold briar
in terms of CC. to apply max pressure, Cross CC'n. Do you normally match your warirors dps with a cyclone on the healer? and just keep that rotation ?
apoligies for all the questions l
green valve
Are you using comms?
cold briar
yeah
junior plover
Tried Apex early season in arena
green valve
Tell him to give you a small heads up when hes going to stormbolt and warbreaker + sharpen
junior plover
its like playing without a legendary for 95% of your games
green valve
When he does bash off target then spam cline out
junior plover
then having 1 game where you get a bite instantly after your last bite and bite for 12k
killing the guy
memorable but bad
green valve
Most of his damage is in warbreaker windows
So thats when its most important to help
Bash clone those windows and help him with some dots/kitty dps
cold briar
oki! Thats been helpful! gives me something to try! Thanks very much
green valve
Yea its really good to get cc chains obviously
But some points in the match are more important so if you guys start timing cds together youll climb pretty quickly! Good luck boss
cold briar
Cheers dude! much appreciated
junior plover
anyone know the uptime of this?
im wondering if it could possibly be better than BM for necro cat
honest mesa
any comp ur not geting focused, yes
haughty compass
Uptime is pretty good
hollow cypress
@junior plover been told it's about 40% in a PvE setting
junior plover
weak hinge
on dr (:
lime light
Its the default trinket for necro feral
hardy cargo
BM is default for all specs in the game
I like spamming hibernate on bm pets and watching the hunters dmg drop
junior plover
@rigid linden how did u farm renown i did lfr world boss all callings and im stuck 19 now, need to run something
junior plover
I like spamming hibernate on bm pets and watching the hunters dmg drop
not that bm
bm trinket
battlemaster
hardy cargo
Oh, brain only thinks of beast mastery hunter
tall knoll
Spam heroic dungeons. Youll get renown until like 28
sage cove
Whatd you guys think about feral + mage 2v2? Anyone here experienced in it? Wanna make a char to play with my fire mage buddy and I like the setup aspect from rogue mage but feel like I would be better off as a druid overall
And better off as a druid I mean I would have more fun outside of arena as a druid than as a rogue. I have that feeling atleast
lime light
Lmao ofc bm is not default on ladder
Ape dog baboon
No one normal is hitting the necro cat
Only cleaves, and vs cleaves bm is useless
Cuz u cant die to dmg
U can Die to oom'ing
In that case bm wont help
junior plover
Everyone hits the kitty 
junior plover
Whatd you guys think about feral + mage 2v2? Anyone here experienced in it? Wann...
It's not terrible but it's also not good
3v3 feral + mage is good
2v2 mage feral is extremely difficult to play and very easily punished
sage cove
Alright man thanks for the reply
junior plover
Cuz u cant die to dmg
ure ignoring the fact that your bm can buy your healer a drink
or that u can pop it as your healer is busy setting up cc
so you can have better tempo
lime light
No, it cant, u gonna die to mellers like that
The only thing that matters is big dam
And main stat proc is more healing also
More survi
Less mana spend
sterile snow
is necro meta for feral now?
junior plover
the necro dream is real
honest mesa
kiosk tag me when u get to play it properly i wanna hear how the swap from nf is
junior plover
ima be playing it very soon but im renown 21
so not fully there
missing a conduit and ultimate form
and no draught
I'll let u know after reset
sterile snow
is it worth going necro feral rn?
lime light
Yes
vague mural
yes
sterile snow
cool ty guys
surreal heron
junior plover
lmao
lime light
Ok boomer
lime light
Kyrian can do more if u pedling whole game
A target without milion armod
Armod
Armor kurwa
junior plover
Bro
im doing damagur like never before without draught
draught will be
40% more ?!?!
haughty compass
Bleed cat
sterile snow
mm
haughty compass
Circle
junior plover
Yes but its significantly worse
haughty compass
Was going to swap to feral as nf 😦
sterile snow
aw man
junior plover
I mean
lemme put it this way
Snupy plays NF at 3k rating
in 3s
its better in 2s as well
sterile snow
so I guess its ok to pvp as voke cat?
honest mesa
yes
kyrian and nf are fine
it feels like mega hivemind mentality
a few top player swapped so everyone did
i'm also curious tho, its been a long season a change wouldnt hurt
honest mesa
thats the definition of meta
junior plover
a few top player swapped so everyone did
Okay so how I feel about NF is
NF feral is good
but no draught 21 renown necro feral
????????
Absolutely broken
wtf is this
honest mesa
yeah its probably good, probably has been good since start of slands
the change was pretty minimal no?
clear pulsar
a few top player swapped so everyone did
People here mocked me when I was preaching about necro
Before tony tested it
junior plover
yeah its probably good, probably has been good since start of slands
I think so yeah
same thing as BM
honest mesa
i just really dont wanna do antoher fucking campaign
and grind renown
cba
rather play my priest alt
haughty compass
Symmetry still the play for nf ?
sterile snow
what hits harder in the long run nf or necro full bleed?
honest mesa
NOW is fucking massive for defensive
kindred patrol
Draught always been good vs multi plate, even for NF. Natural order when you're going to be trained/vs big burst, symmetry for standard 1min multi bite setups
honest mesa
what hits harder in the long run nf or necro full bleed?
it's all disputed and situational
fallow root
Anyone ever face off or played with high profile WoW players ?
clear pulsar
Sure
Happens in 2s all the time
But also early season or in 3s throughout if they're on alts
honest mesa
Anyone ever face off or played with high profile WoW players ?
all the streamers/awc boys play at 2k in 2s
fallow root
I did a BG with supatease during prepatch and I played against Bajheera in a BG during 8.2. Never seen any of them in arena.
Bajheera runs around with like 2 pocket healers and KOs everyone
junior plover
I played Snupy Cassidy Hydra and others a bunch
they usually play 2s all day long
the streamers anyway
wise valley
damn bahjeera still a thing
is necro good at all for pve
wanna play it on the druid im leveling rn but also kinda not
kindred patrol
pretty sure it wins in mythic+ because boss damage and necro doesn't offer much for AoE
clear pulsar
Neither does night fae
But
It's just stronger
Necro is close enough but it's very degen with very precise timing, doesnt work out to its full potential in practice
Altho if Necrolord had Korayn for a soulbind it'd be sick as well
kindred flume
Hi guys, i was wondering in regards to battlegrounds what are the better legendaries for resto? Most guides written more from arena pov.
clear pulsar
Some people play VI, some people play Mother Tree
gloomy token
Honestly i don't know
junior plover
Idk the idea of
dealing damage
appeals to me
and not dying
that one's good too
dire pulsar
But is it to long to farm renown again?
summer cliff
@junior plover it seems like you're having an epiphany
have you tried it in arena yet?
haughty compass
Apex proc + ff + bite is real fun lol
green valve
Is feral fdk gonna be good with feral ms now?
clear pulsar
Doubt
kindred flume
Some people play VI, some people play Mother Tree
Thanks <3
high swan
do talents change for RBGs?
high swan
Oh sorry, resto lol
silver kettle
guys, is kyrian feral still ok or necro is a must now? i mean kyrian can switch targets and multibleed but necro is kinda meh at multibleeding
clear pulsar
Literally nothing got nerfed about kyrian
kindred patrol
Necrolord is way overhyped atm, Kyrian and night fae are both perfectly viable and capable. Big bites still kill
silver kettle
yes, I agree, nothing got nerfed about kyrian, but necro got buffed, was just wondering if the buffs were strong enough damage-wise to make every feral switch to necro.
also versa/crit kyrian feral any good or stick to versa/mastery?
clear pulsar
Mostly it's just cuz it's a different setup
And people got tired of bite bite bite bite
Night fae is definitely a step or two behind kyrian and necro tho
kindred patrol
versa/mastery kyrian, versa/crit in non mastery slots for bite build
1min convoke legendary is going to be a big boost for night fae if it reliably still generates 5 combo points(which it should), imo
clear pulsar
It wont
It wont generate 5 cps reliably that is
The real make or break for it will be grove invigoration
Necro soulbinds kinda blow damage wise, and Marileth isn't getting anything interesting next patch
kindred patrol
blizzard really needs to do something about wrath/moonfire in melee range, not like boomkin one spams thrash from max range. of course they wont
having a big badge maim > frenzy > bite > convoke > bite go every 1min could be pretty strong
clear pulsar
No
You are mistaken about how it works
Regardless of form, a 16 spell Convoke casts 6 generic spells that aren't native to the form you're in
Feral Convoke using Wraths and Moonfire doesn't mean it's worse compared to Boomie Convoke
Being in melee range as moonkin form will usually put up Rake and Thrash, but that is replaced by heals if there are no enemies in range for those bleeds, not by more boomie spells
Also from that we can infer an 8 spell Convoke will use 5 form spells and 3 generic ones
kindred patrol
but being max range as boomkin wont waste spells on cat abilities, feral convoke also uses spells on heals
clear pulsar
Being max range as boomkin will 'waste' spells on heals
Cat spells never replace boomie spells in boomie form regardless of range
You always get the same number of boomie spells
kindred patrol
so something feral convoke does even in melee range?
kindred patrol
so an 8 spell convoke will use 5 cat abilities?
clear pulsar
The feral and balance channel regulars/theorycraft people have spreadsheets and logs with the hundreds of Convokes they logged while testing that both give that number
6 generic spells, 10 form specific spells
green valve
Above my paygrade
clear pulsar
so an 8 spell convoke will use 5 cat abilities?
The leggo isnt available to craft yet on PTR so we don't know for sure
But I would imagine that is the case yeah
kindred patrol
so either you're going to get bites, which is good, or 5 combo points?
making it a pretty strong go on a 1min cd with everything else
either way
clear pulsar
I think the leggo will be an ok choice but
I don't think it'll make Night Fae relatively better
The Kyrian leggo is tremendous and it is getting some really good tech as well
From the soulbinds
You either go Pelagos for max dam
Or you can go Mikanikos for low hp stun proc + decent absorb and a bit of extra CDR to make it line up with FF and not have to hold
Altho Mikanikos leaves you at 3 finesse
kindred patrol
safe to assume the kyrian legendary is going to give you mastery when you self bond? or more likely only works when empowering someone else?
clear pulsar
No way they make it only work with someone else
The spell stinks of cow dung in pve especially for resto
Surely they don't give the leggo a stupid useless caveat
clear pulsar
It's just looking at it I think
gloomy token
Just 360 noscope the mob ez
green valve
Just 360 noscope the mob ez
Lmao
"Why are you spinning around idiot? Stfu im getting a buff"
sterile citrus
Hey guys, I need a little bit of advice
Im struggling real hard in 2v2 arenas against Warriors and Death Knights...
Any advice is more than welcome
stray sigil
would help if u said what spec u are and stuff
stray sigil
honestly warrior pretty much impossible for feral if ur not necro
but dk is it like uh dk or frost dk ur struggling with ?
cuz dk do flop kinda hard
sterile citrus
UH dk...especially slappy hands lol
stray sigil
vs uh u kite/root the abom and like line the army
sterile citrus
Aah more cc the better. Hm.
stray sigil
once u live the initial burst honestly its pretty much over they dont do enough dmg
but like convoke does feel pretty bad vs uh dk
sterile citrus
Well I need to practice my feral rotation a bit more
stray sigil
once u force ibf and trinket
hes pretty toast
depends what healer u play with i suppose
stray sigil
if the dk is going on u
hpriest just spams smtie and u do a stun on healer maim on dk go
eventually u should win
sterile citrus
Hm. Its all about timing that burst
stray sigil
with like every big go being every like 50s with bash and ff
sterile citrus
Thanks, good idea!
stray sigil
and mindgames
ya gottam ake sure ur doing setups if ur not playing necro
practice each of u stunning same time
he can fear or mc out of his stun etcv.
sterile citrus
Also i need to learn to apply bleeds more often
There has been a few instances where bleeds/dots won me the game
But my biggest mistake overall is I dont use cyclone often enough 🤷♂️
stray sigil
are u new to pvp if u dont mind me asking
stray sigil
clone is something ull feel when to use the more u play
sterile citrus
About 3 months in
stray sigil
a lot of new players make the mistake of spamming clones
not good either
ull learn as u go
sterile citrus
Haha
Also always forget that I have thorns
But I still enjoy the game for what it is
stray sigil
thorns vs uh dk is w.e really
mostly gonna pad on the pets
not a huge deal
vs warrior its pretty big however
stray sigil
almost think vs uh dk id rather take stength pack wound over like thorns pack wound
specially if hes not training u all gam
sterile citrus
almost think vs uh dk id rather take stength pack wound over like thorns pack wo...
That does sound like a decent idea
Fleshcraft can mitigate most of the Thorns damage
stray sigil
and ams cd kidna lines up fwith thorns anyways
vs fdk thorns is decent though
but not vs uh
iron tulip
ferals still using draught for 2s or circle?
lime light
Draught
white sun
if im running with a frost dk as a boomie, do i root beam his absolute 0 stun or just beam it in the opener?
junior plover
have you tried it in arena yet?
Yeah arena only
Played like 200 games of kitty cleave as NF
and looking back it was a disaster
necro gives you a lot of control over the game and it doesn't feel like you can't kill anyone unless you have 20s+ cc chains on the healer
junior plover
I'm not saying it isn't
I'm just saying to me it feels like ass to play in comparison to necro
you only ever do anything if you have FF + TF + 5cp + energy pooled
and even then u cant really threaten plate
its weird
Today is Draught day
Altho NOW has been treating me well even as necro
kindred patrol
Draught is like the whole point of the necro playstyle, even with swarm conduit your bleeds (other than frenzy) are weaker than any other covenant using draught. One thing I don't like about necro is being locked to one legendary, although that's a minor issue
junior plover
I know draught is gucci
just had no soul ash
all I'm saying is that NOW has been a lot better for me in necro than nf probably cuz swarm bouncing around
and can put it on myself if needed
I'm excited to have 30% more damage lmao
broken spec
kindred patrol
It's 40% more
dawn warren
just came back to the game, why are almsot all top 50 ferals playing necrolord?
lime light
best defensive wise soulbinds
new (old school) play style
with st bleeds
ppl got bored with spam bite build
thats in the meta since bfa
adaptive swarm with FF big damage
rip/rake/moonfire wise just piss damgur
thats fine too
dawn warren
ahh okay that makes sense, how big of dmg are we talking tho
and Im guessing not very bursty?
kindred patrol
it's more of a sustain damage build, bursty during frenzy, not 2x full powered crit bites bursty but more consistent
benefit of your damage ignoring armor which is good with all the wars around as well
lime light
bite dmg is low in necro build
junior plover
so more like 30% realistically
junior plover
and Im guessing not very bursty?
Surprisingly bursty
lime light
and ff
junior plover
u multibleed sometimes between goes
imagine multibleeding lmao
junior plover
and Im guessing not very bursty?
On plate it has better burst than kyrian
which is just weird
but thats how it is
and goes through parries and shit
lime light
so what u gonna st bleed ret warrior
junior plover
so warriors eat shit
dawn warren
ok then sounds good necro it is
junior plover
unironically I think its better to train one of them and force them to play on the back foot spend holy power for heals or rage on ignore pain
than multibleeding and winning mana
idgaf about mana
kill that guy fuck that guy
depends on the comp u play ofc
i'm a fellow kitty enthusiast
lime light
how u gonna train one of them
with what
u dont have enough dmg
to go thro a passiv healing
junior plover
i do
kindred patrol
Feel like people misrepresent how ahead necro frenzy is to be honest, nothing against people enjoying it and it is insanely strong, but it's +33%~ with swarm/conduit on frenzy over other covenants, kyrian has +15% that works for frenzy as well on top of mastery from soulbinds, its really not that far ahead
junior plover
and healer is in cc half game anyway
lime light
u bleed both, and in a go, if one of them run, u just do a go on the other guy
junior plover
Feel like people misrepresent how ahead necro frenzy is to be honest, nothing ag...
Its not about just frenzy on go
you have full bleeds up
they literally bleed out
I had my non frenzy bleeds tick for 7k yesterday
on a guy
TICK FOR 7K
and i dont have draught
kindred patrol
sounds like a tank in a bg or something, I have draught and necrolord and that's def not the norm lol
lime light
draught dont buff ff
junior plover
yeah im saying non FF
guy was running away 6k hp
i see 6.2k in yellow text
pop up
and he ded
or 7.2k
kindred patrol
I just think people slept on how viable running a bleed build was even on other covenants to be honest
I know some EU druids did it vs some matchups
junior plover
I mean the 2 changes to necro definitely didnt make feral from poop to god
same with BM
BM was already one of the best specs in the game clearly
a 5% damage buff wont make u that
from shit spec
kindred patrol
necro was def always good for sure
lime light
it was the go to covenant
on beta
but then, bleeds were legit doing no dmg
and kyrian could give u rly big biters
lime light
when ppl had low armor and hp pool
junior plover
lime light
till u bring a survi hunter that cant control a pet and dies in every opener
junior plover
with disc impossible
lime light
and disc that ooms after 1 min or dies to double melee
junior plover
idk cassidy oomed a shaman ret arms
the other day
SHAMAN
with disc
they lost 3 out of 4 but oomed shaman thats a win in my book
rigid linden
nice were all set to not play again
for 3 months
check the dates lmfao
for real
junior plover
need 14 more
Lmao
3k and not even glad
We live in society
Or u mean 14 r1 wins and I'm cracked
Probably that
Makes sense
pallid coral
Reflex
kindred monolith
can anyone tell me about how long it takes to get through stone legion lfr?
obviously banking on a decent group, but i need stone legion for the legendary 😦
junior plover
No more than 15 minutes