pvp

[clear pulsar]

Just speaking about how the leggo is worded

[stray sigil]

like 2 at least right

[clear pulsar]

2 bites prob

[tulip falcon]

probably unless ur unlucky

but like

[clear pulsar]

But if it's just 1 bite then it's 5 shreds

So you come out with full cp

Either or

[haughty compass]

2 surges and that mastery buff every minute is just fine

[stray sigil]

ya so either way

[clear pulsar]

Either 2 bites or 1 bite + 1 bite after the cast

[stray sigil]

u get 2 bites

no matter what

thats still pretty good for a 1min cd

[clear pulsar]

I think it'll be a good leggo if you wanna stay night fae for pve

[tulip falcon]

yep

[stray sigil]

like u would lose sym ? for that lol

[clear pulsar]

But I think kyrian will be much better

[stray sigil]

sym is trash anyways

ya prob

but i think prob lessens the gap

between kyrian n nf imo

[tulip falcon]

it removes a lot of the fuckery with convoke

[stray sigil]

will unsyc ppls cd with convoke

which is the big problem of convoke

in pvp

[tulip falcon]

and if you fuck it up its on a 1 min cd rather than 2

[cold escarp]

need to test if it procs full niya stacks

[stray sigil]

ya so u can be more yolo with it too

it will proc 8 stacks

of it prob

[tulip falcon]

why wouldn't it proc niya full stacks

[cold escarp]

idk

cuz 425 mastery for 30 sec every min is kinda busted

[tulip falcon]

you can cast convoke atm for 0.1 sec and get full mastery

[cold escarp]

and 18% hp

[stray sigil]

u wouldnt get 16 stacks

[junior plover]

oh yeah the hp as well

no u probably would

[stray sigil]

u get 16 stacks cuz of 2min

[junior plover]

its not implied otherwise

niyah just reads

instantly gain 16

when u press convoke

[tulip falcon]

ye

[stray sigil]

i mean i really doubt that stays like that

[tulip falcon]

thats all it does

well

[junior plover]

I agree it might become 8

[tulip falcon]

lets see because it would make a big difference

[stray sigil]

i feel like it will be basedon the amount of spells u casts

[junior plover]

but i wouldnt be surprised if its 16

[stray sigil]

i mean 8 stacks is still a decent chunk of mastery

[cold escarp]

it might if they actively go and change it but that would be mentioned i think

[stray sigil]

but i think korayn looks decent anyways

[junior plover]

8 stacks would be alright but you lose convoke as a win condition

[stray sigil]

not like ur out of options

[junior plover]

so its w/e

AND you dont get symmetry?

like

at some point its just too much to give up

[stray sigil]

pls

sym is so bad

lol

[junior plover]

Man

[stray sigil]

stop trolling

[junior plover]

its something

berserk is

[tall knoll]

Do other classes have like a 1 min cd with their covenant ability?

[junior plover]

USELESS

[cold escarp]

8 stacks wouldnt be enough to be better than kyrian + palegos + dreambinder

[junior plover]

without sym

[ebon vortex]

kyrian paladins are gonna have 18s without divine toll up

[stray sigil]

zerk not useless without sym

[ebon vortex]

this will be fucking terribke

[junior plover]

Its different for different classes

[stray sigil]

sym useless without zerk

u got it backwards

[junior plover]

Berserk legit

does nothing

[tulip falcon]

i havent played in so long my char still only has fucking apex lmao

[junior plover]

like what

[stray sigil]

i mean it does the same with or without tbh

just a builder cd

[junior plover]

You get a nice 3 bite combo with symm

its not much

[stray sigil]

well have higher % of crit by the end of the season

[junior plover]

but its honest work

[stray sigil]

so like

[tall knoll]

Im asking if other classes have shorter cds to see how it works for them with niya

[stray sigil]

sym wont be necessary anymore

[junior plover]

Niya is different for them

[stray sigil]

im alreadya at 26 in pvp

[tulip falcon]

never liked sym

[junior plover]

rogues its 4 stacks

[stray sigil]

in s1

[junior plover]

i believe

[stray sigil]

like

s2 u prob get in 30s

[junior plover]

I dont like sym

trust me

[stray sigil]

means ur shreds and rake are what 80% chance of crit

[tulip falcon]

then dont use it

[junior plover]

but we cant just look at the convoke leggo and be like

[stray sigil]

u dotn need sym

[supple path]

Death's Due gives DKs 2 stacks and its a 20 sec cooldown

[junior plover]

yeah its better than no convoke leggo

[clear pulsar]

Grove invigoration gives stacks proportionally to the spell cd.

[junior plover]

like sure it can be

[stray sigil]

i dont think u give up much for convoke lego what soever

[clear pulsar]

Like all other covenants with their stat procs

[junior plover]

i mean if that was true

we'd be running sephuz

[stray sigil]

no we wouldnt

[junior plover]

why not

warriors did for a while

[stray sigil]

cuz sephuz would proc off roots

and shit

[junior plover]

thats good

[stray sigil]

like it wouldnt reliable

?

[clear pulsar]

Warriors literally only cc when they're stormbolting for a go

[stray sigil]

no u would want it

[junior plover]

yeah just passive stats

[stray sigil]

in ur go

not randomly

across the games

[junior plover]

i know ud prefer it

but having 50% uptime on the stats

[stray sigil]

sephuz is terrible for us

[junior plover]

is alright too

[clear pulsar]

As a feral you'll proc it all the time on cd basically but not necessarily when you're ready to do big dam

[stray sigil]

cuz wed have to press nothing but maim

cant dispell vs locks

cuz ull proc it

[junior plover]

imagine pressing roots when u can press regrowth

[clear pulsar]

Arms literally only ccs when they're doing dam

[stray sigil]

cant dispell vs rogues cuz ull proc it

[junior plover]

Youre right

[stray sigil]

cant kick

cuz ull proc it

XD

[junior plover]

wat

no that cant be right

[stray sigil]

yes

its literally the same lego from legion

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

thats how it works

[junior plover]

oh yeah

interrupting an enemy

[rigid cargo]

Is necro feral on arenas gonna be good in 9.1?

[stray sigil]

prob

[quick nebula]

Better than now lol

[stray sigil]

i dont think the soulbinds are as good as the other covs

[junior plover]

how often do you have frenzied regen as necro

with haste 2nd stat

[stray sigil]

but doesnt change much

[junior plover]

like 30s?

28?

[stray sigil]

uh i can check in a sec

[junior plover]

would appreciate

[junior plover]

Its already the best choice for 3v3

[quick nebula]

Im staying NF. Less damp, more fun. Better soulbinds

[junior plover]

I'd say with the bleeds applying MS

its gonna be really good

[stray sigil]

with 11%

its 33

[junior plover]

2s per 4%

sorry

1s

per 4%

was hoping it'd be more

[tulip falcon]

if niya does give the full stacks tho it will be rigged

[stray sigil]

if it does

[junior plover]

Your Envenom applies Creeping Venom, reducing the target's movement speed by 5% for 4 sec. Creeping Venom is reapplied when the target moves. Max 18 stacks.

what

[stray sigil]

i could see an arugemnt that nf

could be bis

mayb

[junior plover]

max 18 stacks

5%

????

[stray sigil]

lol interesting

[junior plover]

fucking 90% slow until you stop moving

lmao

[stray sigil]

ig its kinda bad

cuz u have to envenom

meaning its ur kill target

and it would drop off in a kidney cuz its only 4

looks like systemic shock a bit

[clear pulsar]

It wouldnt drop off in a kidney

You envenom like 3 times in a kidney lol

You don't envenom before the kidney then go 'oh shucks guess it'll fall off'

[stray sigil]

ya ig but still doesnt look too crazy

[clear pulsar]

It's annoying as fuck

[stray sigil]

doesnt systemic shock

[junior plover]

I mean

[stray sigil]

do exactly tyhat

already

[junior plover]

it just extends a go

really nicely

[clear pulsar]

Yeah but for 2 seconds

[stray sigil]

or is it removed

[clear pulsar]

This forces you to stand still

[junior plover]

you CANT run away from them

until 4s after the go

[clear pulsar]

All the time

It's sooooo ridiculous lol

But kyrian pelagos is definitely gonna be the move for feral in pvp

Actually Bron looking nice

Much better than the necro soulbinds

[quick nebula]

Nah niya is the move

[stray sigil]

idk 1min convoke

[quick nebula]

Bingo

[clear pulsar]

Kyrian will be insane in m+

[stray sigil]

kinda got me feeling some kind of way

[clear pulsar]

At least

When you get full renown again

To unlock the very last trait

[stray sigil]

i still cant believe

[quick nebula]

9.1 NF soulbinds are busted too

[stray sigil]

u cant not choose to not do the 2 weekly @clear pulsar

instead of doign another 1st one

thats fucking idiotic

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[stray sigil]

now im stuck 2 weeks playing kyrian ig

[clear pulsar]

Now I'm stuck playing kyrian in m+

Lmao

[stray sigil]

dam u also went full artistic like me

i respect it

[tulip falcon]

is there a list of full patch notes anywhere

[clear pulsar]

Just check wowhead

[junior plover]

Nope

[tulip falcon]

cba looking at a load of different threads from different weeks

[junior plover]

its just datamines from wowhead

ah

[clear pulsar]

They're cancer as shit and just post 9 articles per day about PTR but

[junior plover]

yeah its annoying u gotta change seperate posts on wowhead

theres 2

[tulip falcon]

if you keep up with its fine but i havent

[junior plover]

last week was

affli lost slow

so theyre dead

mistweaver get pain supression on every stun

45s cd

[clear pulsar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spell-soulbind-and-class-changes-for-patch-9-1-ptr-build-38312-321828 last week
https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-and-spell-changes-for-patch-9-1-ptr-build-38394-havoc-dh-single-target-321982 today

[junior plover]

^

[tulip falcon]

ah thanks was looking for the soulbind stuff

[clear pulsar]

Just go to soulbind calc

[tulip falcon]

i havent paid attention to wow for a while so ive missed a lot of shit

[clear pulsar]

ptr.wowhead.com/soulbind-calc

Shows you the new nodes

[junior plover]

Newfound Resolve At any moment during combat, there is a low chance your Doubt will manifest for 10 sec. Directly facing your Doubt will overcome it, granting 12% <Primary Stat> and Stamina for 15 sec.

the fuck does that mean

12% is what

absurd

[tulip falcon]

while directly facing?

[green valve]

Prob spawns an add and you kill it

[tulip falcon]

or look at it

[stray sigil]

seems kind of not optimal in pvp

[green valve]

And get the buff

[tulip falcon]

sounds sort shit for pvp

defo a pve thing

[junior plover]

Yeah you probably kill it

id imagine

[tulip falcon]

it sounds like you have to stare at it

while its up

to get the buff

[green valve]

The way dhs dimb necro ability works

[junior plover]

if you just have to look at it for a brief moment

then 12%

is bonkers on a random proc

[green valve]

Spawns the demon and you kill it for buff

[junior plover]

but its also random

yeah i was thinking that

[tulip falcon]

oopsie bot

the wording is silly

could be anything

[green valve]

Ok cant say the short version either lmfao

[tulip falcon]

maybe you kill it, maybe you stare at it, maybe you only have to look at it for a sec to get the buff

who knows

[junior plover]

Hopefully new conduits as well

or kyrian will be running fucking sudden ambush

lmao

[clear pulsar]

Bro

Kyrian will be cracked in rbg

Write it down @tulip falcon

[quick nebula]

Nah

[clear pulsar]

30s cd Kindred

[tulip falcon]

hmm

[quick nebula]

NF better for rbg no doubt

Not even close

[stray sigil]

how low does bash cd get

with conduits next patch

[clear pulsar]

NF won't be best for anything in pvp bro

It's not best now and it won't be best in 9.1

[quick nebula]

Disagree

[tulip falcon]

im not sure what will be better rbg wise

[clear pulsar]

49s @stray sigil

[junior plover]

Bash is 44s

[green valve]

Wtf

[junior plover]

or that

im bad at math

[tulip falcon]

because convoke will be a lot more viable to use as feral than it is atm in rbg

with the lego

[stray sigil]

wait it can go to 50 rn

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

u only get 1 off next patch ?

[clear pulsar]

It's 2 levels

[green valve]

Vengeful retreat makes you cc immune now and take 75% less dmg during the animation

Ffs

[clear pulsar]

So right now it's up to 16% reduction

Next will be 18%

At 252 ilvl

[junior plover]

Oh yea

252

[clear pulsar]

It's 0.6 per rank

[junior plover]

gear gap between honor gear and 2100 gear

[tulip falcon]

still not sure if id go nf or kyr tho

[junior plover]

bigger than

between season 1

and season 2

lmao

cant make this shit up

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

68 ilvls

Between initial honor gear

And full conquest

[tulip falcon]

are pvers going to have that early season advantage again

[clear pulsar]

Such a far cry from WOD

So much for them calling this 'wod style'

[junior plover]

guys they made whi into a real thing lmao

[tulip falcon]

is honor upgrading gated behind renown again?

[junior plover]

druidization of every class

[tulip falcon]

or what

[clear pulsar]

Probably will be lol

Idk

[junior plover]

I would be very surprised

since you probably still start at 10

renown

[tulip falcon]

i feel like it was just a start of expac thing

but idk

[junior plover]

it was just for pre season

im pretty sure

[tulip falcon]

ye

so that people couldn't pve with stupid gear

[junior plover]

so pvp gear is not broken for world first

yeah

[tulip falcon]

because that renown gating was the only thing i had issues with really as the pvp and pve gear gap was huge

until we got those upgrades

the gap closed by like 10ilvls

[frank fjord]

sorry to interrupt you guys, new to druid pvp, does anyone know of a simple Focused Growth Weak Aura?

[clear pulsar]

Do you want one that just anchors to the party frames?

[junior plover]

wait niyah is gonna give 50% more mastery as well and heal allies for 32%

[frank fjord]

anything would rock, i just want to be able to track how many stacks i have on a tartget

[junior plover]

you can press it as a rallying cry

if need be

[tulip falcon]

ye saw that one

[junior plover]

if its 16 stacks with leggo

its gonna be bonkers

we were shitting on the lego

like fools

With the 2nd well honed instinct and this

Niyah sounds extremely good

[quick nebula]

Yup NF will be busted

Soulbinds so strong

[clear pulsar]

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[tulip falcon]

yea idk i think nf has potential to be pretty good from what im seeing

[frank fjord]

thank you!

[quick nebula]

The dreamweaver 30% dmg reduction one too

Is insane if no icd

[frank fjord]

Thanks!

[tulip falcon]

damn that one

[junior plover]

Honestly the dreamweaver one

[tulip falcon]

is nice

[junior plover]

I thought was absolutely ridiculous

but seeing what other soulbinds get

it honestly might not even be bis

[clear pulsar]

The dreamweaver one is absurd it's not gonna make it live like that

It's completely fucked for pve

[junior plover]

yeah for pve

[clear pulsar]

They'll probably put it on an icd

[junior plover]

id imagine its 10s cd at least

or did someone test it

theres no way u get perma shields lmao

[clear pulsar]

There is no cd right now

[quick nebula]

Yup

[green valve]

Back to nf boys

1 min convokes with niya

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

Is it only damage that BRINGS you under 80%

[clear pulsar]

No

[junior plover]

or every time under 80%

[clear pulsar]

All damage you take

[junior plover]

lmao

[clear pulsar]

Anytime you take damage

Under 80%

[tulip falcon]

so it sounds like

[quick nebula]

Literally insane

But niya also very good

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's cracked

[tulip falcon]

you are under 80% hp, you get hit for 10k and would get a 3k shield

[quick nebula]

With 1 min convoke

[junior plover]

yeah permanent 30% dr

probably cracked

casual 15k more hp

that doesnt take healer spells

more on next patch

and idk what fuji was smoking

korayn is hot garbage

comparatively anyway

to niyah

[clear pulsar]

Fuji smokes only the good stuff

@vestal citrus you read notes yet?

Insta clone

Moonfire bear form

High winds reduces healing done by 30%

[stray sigil]

korayn doesnt look bad

[wise valley]

Hes still high from yesterday

[junior plover]

i mean

[wise valley]

@clear pulsar what about mf bear form

[junior plover]

korayn is like

if he got this on THIS patch

maybe

MAYBE

but probably still niyah

but with what niyah is getting? lmao no way

[clear pulsar]

The new Korayn stuff is complete ass compared to literally every other soulbind in the game

[stray sigil]

ok stfu idiot

[clear pulsar]

Just for boomie

[stray sigil]

wheres my key @clear pulsar

[junior plover]

[wise valley]

Oh thats nice

[tulip falcon]

yea i still have no idea what korayn is even targeted towards

[clear pulsar]

Actually venthyr got totally shafted with these new traits lol

[wise valley]

Yeah high winds gonna sick too with healing debuff

[clear pulsar]

M+

It's great for m+

[green valve]

Korayn still the move for affi locks, oh jk theyre getting DELETED

[junior plover]

AFFLI LOCKS

[stray sigil]

korayn is super good in pve

[tulip falcon]

ah yea I can see M+ i guess

[junior plover]

korayn new row great for m+

[clear pulsar]

And the final trait is basically good for enemies that you get from full to execute in less than a minute, so m+

[green valve]

Good fuck mindgames and condemners

[stray sigil]

FACE

WHERES MY KEY

RIOGHT NOW U JAJA MFER

[junior plover]

but i'd rather have my convoke be a rallying cry and give 200 more mastery

tbh

[clear pulsar]

Keys are closed this week

[stray sigil]

? ? ? ? ? ? ?

nopnbonononon

[wise valley]

Faced a nasty feral in rbgs earlier

[clear pulsar]

It's literally the worst possible affix combo

[stray sigil]

thats fine

[clear pulsar]

It is the literal worst week in the m+ calendar bro

[stray sigil]

we are gods of m+

gogog

[wise valley]

Feral and ret burst is so stupoid

[clear pulsar]

And I have a completely worthless covenant

[junior plover]

lol u werent lying just checked

legit never seen

affixes this bad

[clear pulsar]

Bro it's so bad lol

[wise valley]

Get a pala tank

[junior plover]

necro tyrannical bad enough

[clear pulsar]

And I'm a kyrian resto druid to top it off @junior plover

[junior plover]

u fuckin donkey

[clear pulsar]

Guardian is the move

[stray sigil]

bro im not asking for 20s

[clear pulsar]

But you can only play the game every 3 mins

[stray sigil]

15s mfer

[wise valley]

Pala good this week

[clear pulsar]

No no

It's guardian

Or bust

[junior plover]

its always guardian

[clear pulsar]

Guardian is the only tank allowed

[junior plover]

[wise valley]

I am guardian

[junior plover]

guardian is

0 fun

i hate guardian

[stray sigil]

thats fine ill tank

[junior plover]

rework when??

[stray sigil]

lets go

im bis tank

[clear pulsar]

This goes thru necrotic

[tulip falcon]

could never play guardian in pve

[junior plover]

i like how feral pvp stats are bis guardian stats

[tulip falcon]

fuck tyhat

[junior plover]

should tank some

but its

SO BORING

legit

classic wow guardian was more fun

[tulip falcon]

i can tolerate it in rbg because im not hitting anything

[junior plover]

yes

[stray sigil]

yaya i def have that leggo lets go

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

when we thinking 9.1 is coming anyway

late may?

[clear pulsar]

HAH

You're cracked

First week of July is my guess

[stray sigil]

june

or july

[tulip falcon]

rip

fml

[clear pulsar]

The average from all patches would put it late june

[tulip falcon]

this season is too long

[clear pulsar]

But bfa patches sat on PTR for way longer than average

And those would put it at late july

There is legit nothign added yet

As far as the systems

Renown progression, the extended campaign, new dungeon, new raid, new zone in the maw, nothing at all

New torghast shit

Not even all the covenant leggos are introduced yet

[tulip falcon]

ah i thought it'd been on ptr for a while

[clear pulsar]

Nah it'll be al ong time still bro

[junior plover]

i think this is longest season since like

SOO

lmao

[tulip falcon]

god dont

[clear pulsar]

Since last season

???

Kiosk bro

Last seaso nwas literally the longest season ever

Tied with cataclysmic

[tulip falcon]

38 weeks

[clear pulsar]

Longer than wod s3

Or mop s3

[tulip falcon]

siege was 35

[clear pulsar]

Yeah bfa s4 was the longest ever my guy @junior plover

[tulip falcon]

but the last season is sorta expected to be long

because its usually the case

except for like legion

every other expac has had a stupid long last season

[split timber]

rest and rated bgs: what is your legendary?

[clear pulsar]

VI or Mother Tree

One is extra unpurgeable throughput, other is more spread healing

[tulip falcon]

we are at 19 weeks rn which is on track to be longer than any bfa season except the last

[clear pulsar]

VI is big if you have one target getting trained all the time, like an aff lock in a teamfight or something

[junior plover]

did mop have 2 seasons on last patch then?

[clear pulsar]

It'll probably be 30 weeks yeah

No

[junior plover]

BFA last patch was that long?

lol

damn

[tulip falcon]

yes

literally 4.3 vibe

then again wod only had 3 seasons

fuck

and so did cata i think

[clear pulsar]

Legion goat shit 7 seasons

[velvet schooner]

druid leggo 1 min convq 50% less spells but is it 50% cast time?

[tulip falcon]

yea if only

wish we could go back to 7

[tulip falcon]

yes

[clear pulsar]

2s cast, 8 spells, 1 min cd

[velvet schooner]

wouldnt it be 1 sec cast?

[clear pulsar]

[tulip falcon]

no because its 4 sec base?

[clear pulsar]

Half of 4 is not 1

[wooden sparrow]

well given that base cast is 4s and it's half cast time, no

[velvet schooner]

lol never realized its 4

doesnt feel that long

[clear pulsar]

Cuz it gets stopped in 2

[tulip falcon]

lol

[velvet schooner]

unless it pops full moon again in pvp

[tulip falcon]

ye see these niqqas try stop my 2 sec convokes

[velvet schooner]

i dont feel like it could be worth

[quick nebula]

1 min Cd tho @velvet schooner

Actually a buff overall IMO

[tulip falcon]

niya alone makes it worth

[quick nebula]

Plus it will like up with CA better

Line

[fiery arch]

does owlkin adept consume 0, 1, or both stacks of owlkin frenzy when you trigger an instant cyclone?

[clear pulsar]

All things indicate both

It's worded exactly like maelstrom weapon, and the ret flash light talent

[junior plover]

yeah 4 seconds is such a long time

convoke feels like a flash

it bends the time space continuum tbh

[green valve]

Is boomie getting that shit too or feral only

[velvet schooner]

i cant login my rogue in the ptr only my druid

is this a sign

[clear pulsar]

The instant convoke is boomie only @green valve

The covenant legendaries are obviously class-wide, since they're covenant legendaries

[green valve]

Nah the uh

[clear pulsar]

I mean instant clone

[green valve]

Instant clone

[clear pulsar]

That's boomie

[green valve]

Hell yeaaa

[velvet schooner]

that sounds fun lol

[green valve]

Well at least ill be leveling kyrian up for the future in case swapping back is the move

[arctic rivet]

What the fuck

This sounds busted I love it

[velvet schooner]

yes lol

[green valve]

What are the odds 1 min convoke shoots 3 surges?

2 min is 3-5?

[velvet schooner]

how about 1 min convq pops a full moon

[green valve]

Nah they took that bish out

But now you can get fury + trink+ convoke go every 1 min

[clear pulsar]

It's part of the leggo

So I bet it can

Proc it in pvp again

[velvet schooner]

pretty sure it could proc again

[green valve]

In pve sure, they coded convoke to not fm in pvp

[clear pulsar]

💤

[tulip falcon]

what

[green valve]

I mean im all for it but cmon

[tulip falcon]

they didn't hardcode it into the game beyond ever changing things

lol

[clear pulsar]

It's literally a new functionality

[velvet schooner]

when you get that anima power in torghast doesnt usually guarantees a full moon

[clear pulsar]

In a legendary

[clear pulsar]

It casts multiple

[velvet schooner]

if the description is the same it should give us back fm

[green valve]

Fuck it fm back in

[clear pulsar]

It's obviously not gonna cast multiple with the leggo

[green valve]

We in it

[clear pulsar]

I'm just saying that

[velvet schooner]

no ofc not multiple

just 1

[clear pulsar]

Blizzard has never ever been consistent

About maintaining changes to spells

[green valve]

U right

[clear pulsar]

When they change the spells

ANd this leggo wording implies to me

[green valve]

Gonna be a fun 2 weeks before they notice lmfao

[clear pulsar]

That they're removing full moon from Convoke altogether

Even in pve

And just making it part of the leggo

[arctic rivet]

Wait

Convoke is 1:30 mins cd

Wouldn’t it turn to 30 sec cd with the lego?

[velvet schooner]

its 2min

what

[green valve]

Actually it prob wouldnt even be that bad without boat

[clear pulsar]

Gladiatus is not a bright cookie

Don't mind him

[green valve]

Making it crit

[arctic rivet]

Ohhh

I forgot the cd number of convoke sorry

[junior plover]

Do u have the exact wording on hand?

[arctic rivet]

Ok so 1 min cd just like lone empowerment....

Honestly not that worth than Kyrian + Timeworn tbh....

[velvet schooner]

why not, someone already said "convq usually gets interrupted after 2 secs) its going to be the same but full cast

[tulip falcon]

the decider for me is whether it procs full niya stacks

literally

[grand mesa]

Yup

[clear pulsar]

I think it will

[velvet schooner]

lol never thought about that

if it does its def better

[green valve]

Also niya and pod sbs look WAY more broken then pelagos

[stray sigil]

FUCKING FACE IS DODING ME IN GAME

[tight valve]

Can anyone recommend some good balance guides/videos (Kyrian, dreambinder) for 2v2, 3v3, rbgs? Im struggling to find some good content

[clear pulsar]

And I only say that because pelagos procs full mastery with conduit CDR

[clear pulsar]

Did you say smth in guild chat?

I dont show guild chat in my chat box

[stray sigil]

LETTTTS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[clear pulsar]

Playing some dota

And my gpu was fucking frying

[stray sigil]

ur a fucking freak

[clear pulsar]

Cuz I still had wow open

[tulip falcon]

yea its just whether it goes live or not

they havent changed it so far

since it does that atm

[stray sigil]

i dont even care if they drop it to 8 stacks

1min convoke is bueno enough

[junior plover]

even at 8 stacks

its 16% max hp instant heal for your teammates

300 mastery

every minute

[stray sigil]

i feel like even if it does go live with 16 stacks

they will nerf it kinda fast to 8

so doesnt really matter

[indigo forum]

also makes it line up with beam every minute wich is the best part i think

however it does take a leggo slot

[tulip falcon]

none of the feral legos are that significant

[indigo forum]

im mainly thinking about boomy

[arctic rivet]

Can someone show me the new ptr notes

I wanna know all the good shit they’re gonna add for us druids

[edgy shale]

i saw some MS on twitter

[junior plover]

theres no way boomy is still convoke in 9.1

for pvp

"still"

boat is core

[clear pulsar]

Feral ms and stronger slow @edgy shale

[edgy shale]

on a pvp talent?

[junior plover]

yes

rip and rake

both apply 12%

stacking 2 times ofc

and rip applies the rake slow now too

[edgy shale]

so feral will have MS and stil have ferocious wound?

[junior plover]

fero wound 2 stacks

from 3

[edgy shale]

thats kinda strong tho

big buffs

[junior plover]

yee

the fero wound nerf

def worth

i was already swapping fero wound for thorns

so im happy

and i gotta go necro cuz i aint clicking that rip shit

otherwise

[dry star]

does this mean feral can slow by 40% now since it stacks to two

[tulip falcon]

yes

[dry star]

cool

[edgy shale]

i might raid as non-feral next tier cuz ranged has so much privilege, but that means I can do necro on my druid that would be fun for pvp

destro could be making a comeback

pve

[junior plover]

feral doubters on suicide watch

i told u guys the buffs will come

[quick nebula]

Rerolling to Nf feral Bc sub rogue is even more dead now

Legit trash can tier

[junior plover]

wdym

it got buffed

???

on ptr

you get dark archangel for your mage

[blissful belfry]

New PvP Talent: Owlkin Adept

where can i find the description of that thing

[turbid jolt]

That's amazing ngl

Owl frenzy gives 50% cast reduction on next root or cyclone stacking to 2

[vague mural]

yea sub rogue is gonna be OP as shit next season imo

[blissful belfry]

oh, insta clones

pretty neat

[turbid jolt]

YEP

[vague mural]

oh shit rly?

thats scary

[blissful belfry]

these ook ook melee teams at least will allow you to clone em now

[turbid jolt]

and high winds buff

Affects healing now

[blissful belfry]

oooooh nice

[turbid jolt]

So yeah they going to get their healer instant clone with mini ms

[blissful belfry]

were going to have a lot of good options then

[turbid jolt]

I think aura is still a must though right

[blissful belfry]

The thing with that too is that it stacks with MS. You reduce the healers healing done. and you can have a war sharpen blade and reduce the targets healing received

[turbid jolt]

Yeah it's like 47%

[blissful belfry]

double sided healing reduc after a 6s cc

[turbid jolt]

With the 25% ms

Triple druid 3s

Wcgw

[quick nebula]

Boomy, feral, Mw will be good

[clear pulsar]

Rogues deadass always whine

About being bad

It's normal

[quick nebula]

I mean sub rogue is F tier now.

[clear pulsar]

:)

[quick nebula]

Sin will be okay ish

[vague mural]

sub will prob be A or S tier after all the buffs i think

outlaw prob still gone tho

[green valve]

True celestial bear loses the +healing so fuck it right?

[clear pulsar]

Nah it'll be good

Moonfire in bear is amazing

You come out full astral power

After being trained

For 20s

[frail ember]

wasn't the resto tranquility honor talent 200% buff? its 100% now on ptr

[green valve]

Rogues tho lol

Doom n gloom always

UNPLAYABLE BRUH

[vague mural]

Rogue gets super buffed Complains anyway

[junior plover]

rogues legit would be giga happy if they got 15% more damage on themselves

rather than partner

despite it being worse

lmao

[green valve]

Getting sharpen blade disarm all sorts of new crap

BRO THEY NERFING US

[vague mural]

2 min cd shadowblades lmao

big nerfs amiright

[turbid jolt]

Is swarm disprovable?

[clear pulsar]

It only affected the small hot at the end, now it's 100% but affects the direct heal while casting it

[frail ember]

m'kay

[clear pulsar]

Rogues are not real people

No point trying to find reason in their words

[green valve]

Truth

[vague mural]

the trick is to call their massive buffs nerfs to make blizzard buff them more

its a mindgame

[green valve]

Some beta shit right there

[vague mural]

:5head:

[turbid jolt]

Is this NF legendary with the niya buff going to be worth it over symmetry

Seems kind of meh

[vague mural]

i think it maybe kinda good bc if you have a convoke every 1 min and it lasting half as long also means you'll have time in the maim to do another bite and maybe frenzy

but idk if itll be meta

[wise valley]

Who wanna level on NA horde

[junior plover]

if its 16 stacks on niya

then yeah

absolutely

its extremely broken

niya also gives you 32% instant healing to both partners then

and 50% more mastery on top

its wild

at 8 stacks idk

we've been talking about it

[turbid jolt]

Yeah i thought it would be 8

16 and 16 seems intentional that they line up

[clear pulsar]

The range on that is like melee range I think, very unlikely it reaches a hunter and a healer

[clear pulsar]

What you mean line up?

[junior plover]

just play kitty lmao

probably doesnt reach on kill attempt but u can maybe press it as rallying cry

if need be

32% is a lot on a 1 min cd

[haughty compass]

Anyone here run moonkin ele? What’s your general kill set up?

3s

[indigo forum]

the new moonkin talent does not make cyclone instant at 2 stacks confirmed

it consume one stack for 50% less cast

[velvet schooner]

still 50% less if going for haste/versa gear

good enough

[clear pulsar]

Ok thanks for the info

[indigo forum]

ye its really fast cast

[junior plover]

sadge

[velvet schooner]

wait

tricks on convq

15% dmg

[tawny inlet]

used to main bear for the last couple expansions but getting into feral now, how is druid looking in terms of rated bgs this expansion?
(trying to get the purple cat appearance/dark gorilla tint)

[lime light]

The new reowkred honor talent is like

Str of the wild

Bag of good quality crack in one place

[tawny inlet]

the group buff that gives heal on crits one?

[lime light]

60% slow, and iam wet kinda of

Sadge iam not gonna Play 9.1 and in next patch its gonna be overnerfed

[turbid jolt]

like i don't think it's a coincidence that niya gives you 16 stacks and convoke is 16 abilities

so i figure it might be linked so when convoke is 8 you get 8 stacks?

we will see

[dusk escarp]

If you cancel convoke early do you get fewer niya stacks?

[sterile swift]

Does bear want verse/mast?

for rbgs?

or haste/verse?

[tepid spoke]

what does the new resto pvp talent do?

something of the grove

New PvP Talent: Keeper of the Grove

thats guardian?

can u link that

[tropic schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-and-spell-changes-for-patch-9-1-ptr-build-38394-havoc-dh-single-target-321982

[tepid spoke]

is keeper actually good?

would it been good if it was 200% still?

[weak hinge]

Grove protection looks good vs caster teams ngl

Oh

What does resto get

Ah didn’t see

Big tranq

Well

Atleast something 🙂

[tepid spoke]

it makes more sense for it to be a resto druid talent

[weak hinge]

Any idea what the new honor talents for balance and feral do?

Ok

That’s Owlkin adapt?

And wicked claws?

Kk gonna log later and check myself

[turbid jolt]

high winds is affecting healing is the change

so it should be like net 47.5% less healing with a 25% ms

yes i think it should net stack based on how high winds is working

sharpen and high winds 65%

only 3 seconds but still crazy

[weak hinge]

Wicked claws gives feral a MS

Good shit 🙂

[arctic rivet]

Its insane

High winds + Owlkin Adept will be a insane synergy

[hoary ledge]

stat prio necro feral?

[mental crypt]

vers > mast > haste > crit

[arctic rivet]

Gonna spend my conq for mastery gear

[vague mural]

i've had a crit vers belt from my vault for a while but it has a socket but i was wondering if its worth it to buy the haste vers belt instead wihtout a socket to replace it or just keep the socketted one (Necrolord feral btw)

[hoary ledge]

Is savage roar good for necro feral?

[arctic rivet]

Is Kyrian still usable for Guardian and Feral Druids?

[hoary ledge]

Currently kyrian but considering swapping

[arctic rivet]

I heard Necrolord is amazing for Ferals

Or NF due to convoke

[weak hinge]

@hoary ledge yes. And it will be standard choice for 9.1

[arctic rivet]

So with the new pvp talents

Are the recommended pvp talents now gonna still be Moonkin Aura, Celestial Guardian and Thorns/High winds?

Or is Owlkin Adept gonna replace one of the pvp talents are required now?

I’m thinking maybe replace Celestial Gardian with Owlkin Adept since celestial Guardian technically is having a bit of a nerf with the 20% increased healing being removed

Or is the moonfire on bear form worth the 20% increased healing loss?

High winds + Owlkin adept has so much synergy potential its insane... near instant cast cyclone with a damage and heal reduction basically a weaker ranged version of Mortal strikes that lasts 4 secs....

Is kinda nutty

Enough time window it secure a kill

[blissful belfry]

The nice thing about high wind pseudo MS is that, when coming out of cc, ehaler tend to have to use a big heal to top off the damage that happened while they were cc'ed. Which would now land in the MS window

[green valve]

Feel like celestial losing the healing buff knocks it out of must have

[lofty gull]

when crafting pvp leggo what stats am i aiming for?

[green valve]

Its just -10% magic dmg now right?

And cast moonfire

Which is dope but the others seem strong all around now

[arctic rivet]

I feel the best pvp talents now would be Moonkin Aura, Owlkin Adept and High Winds

As Owlkin and High Winds have a very powerful synergy and Moonkin Aura is Moonkin Aura if indeed Celestial Guardian isn’t gonna be a staple anymore

[weak hinge]

Moonkin losing its offheal is tuff tho. Feral overlords

[arctic rivet]

No they lost the healing they RECEIVE

Not the healing they do

So their off healing is left untouched I think

We lost 20% healing increase that WE receive instead of losing a 20% healing we do to other players

@weak hinge

[weak hinge]

Ah Right

The other talent was offheal

[arctic rivet]

That does harm our survivability a bit but its not that much knowing how often we self heal on top of our conduit beefing our own frenzied regens

Yeah the other talent is the quicker off heals which is nice and left untouched

[weak hinge]

Kinda mandatory

[arctic rivet]

I personally don’t like it tho because even if our heals are faster after the first cast it is really hard to get the first cast sometimes....

If you’re doing 2s with a DPS or going against an extremely bursty team and you’re not the target

[weak hinge]

3s my man

You need to offheal

[arctic rivet]

I still do efficiently even without the talent

Tho I find the high winds a lot better keeping my team alive, nerfing 30% of their damage is really big especially for asshole Pallies or Warriors

Than faster heals imo

Like when I use the pvp talent for faster heals, they take too much damage that my heals kinda become deleted instantly meanwhile the high winds prevents them from nuking their hp too much and makes my heals even better since they take a lot less damage

[wide merlin]

That feral pvp talent won’t last long lol.

[stray sigil]

the ms one ?

[finite seal]

There's no way that feral talent goes live like that

[stray sigil]

why lol

u have to give up 1 mainstream pvp talent for it

i dont even thnik ud take it in every comp

like if u play jungle u prob dont even take iut anyways

what do u think is so op about it

[finite seal]

Am I missing something? is it not a 24% incoming heal decrease? A little awkward to use for sure but still

[stray sigil]

ya but like hunter already has a ms

[finite seal]

maintain*

[stray sigil]

they dont stack

[finite seal]

Ahh ok

[stray sigil]

like its good but i dont expect them to change it at all honestly

[finite seal]

I feel like the slow and heal reduction % is a little high. I expect them to tweak the numbers a bit, but what do I know

[stray sigil]

the slow used to be 40% baseline before

no stacking required

[finite seal]

when was this? I have consistently played feral through every expac

[stray sigil]

also its dispellable i suppose

uh def was a thing in mop

prob wod aswell

i think they removed it for bfa or legion cant remember

well nerfed it

i should say

[finite seal]

but applied with a no cd builder. Obviously takes off some snapshot dmg, but still easily applyable. either way, I do see your point

[stray sigil]

it was on rake before aswell

[arctic rivet]

The MT would be possible

What other class doesn’t have MT that melee?

Just Dk now right?

Speaking of Dk...

[cold escarp]

healing you receive is also healing you receive from your own spells so its a 20% nerf to frenzied regen

[arctic rivet]

After Warrior’s Euphoria they gain a 20% verse buff for 10 seconds

Ret pallies instead will randomly spawn a hostile shadow fiend which when a pally kills it they gain 12% Strength and HP increase for 15 seconds on top of a new ability that they reduce 15% of the damage taken on top of not being slowed lower than 90% of their movement speed for 6 seconds right after a CC aka this makes life beome fucking miserable for Dks as now when pallies break out of our blinds or frostwyrm breath they basically can be almost immune to our slows on top of taking 15% less damage from Dk’s Chill streaks.....

And yeah that is a significant nerf but its not class killing like poor Dks are getting

Dks get a mediocre ability replacing literally the strongest and one of the only things that makes Dk viable on top of buffs that basically ruins Dk’s main source of cleave

Kyrian players are gonna laugh at Dks now

Bec that 15% damage reduction + speed cannot be slowed below 90% is a big middle finger to FDKs because now they can easily fuck off away from the CS after their freeze or Blind is broken

[pine hatch]

hey restobuddies - my warrior friend and I are struggling a lot with mage/rogue. At 1600~ so not top tier, but I'd appreciate any help you can give. We've started trying to stack and he got his spell reflect leg just recently so that should help, but should we always stick on the rogue as a dual unit? Should we split pressure them? Im thinking draught might be of value here for the higher swiftmends and increased feral damage

[obtuse ice]

Never make rogue restealth, don't use everything at opening

[arctic rivet]

Warrior are still good partners for both Feral and Boomies right?

[pine hatch]

what's a typical defensive rotation for the opener of Rogue Mage?

Warrs spell reflect/die by the sword for first, I save trink/ironbark for combust?

[cold escarp]

yes

[arctic rivet]

Ok good nice

My bro mains warrior so just making sure

[obtuse ice]

This is why I think it's hard against rogue mage, because there isn't real "script", it's most likely feeling about what you should be using and not overuse

[cold escarp]

never trinket together

when they do a go its etiher u trinket or ur warr

[pine hatch]

yeah im having a hard time reacting - he can often drop really quick, I overgrowth and it gets kleptoed. I understand a single rejuv into swiftmend and NS is usually the play instead and wait out klepto

[cold escarp]

if they open stun bomb he should instant trinket and heroic leap out

[pine hatch]

right

[honest mesa]

Are we getting MS? Is this real?

[cold escarp]

yep its real

feral gonna be S tier in 2s

[viscid remnant]

feral/hpriest

[honest mesa]

Fuck i can't quit the game then

[fresh tangle]

Just started learning feral after playing some resto? I feel like I have so many buttons to press and always messing up!

Is feral a hard spec to learn and how long on average before I feel like I'm actually doing a proper rotation in arena?!

[wide merlin]

Doesn’t take long to learn. It’s not nearly as complicated as it looks. Keep up bleeds, put bleeds on before burst. Cross cc with stuns and/or cyclone. Survive until your next go (preferably with bleeds on your target). The “rotation” is very simple. Keep up bleeds. Get 5cp. Ferocious bite.

heal and peel and shit, but you should know that already from being resto.

[fresh tangle]

I'm new to druid as a whole so not so experienced. But yeh I think what also makes a difference is it's hard to learn when going into skirmishes against 40kh players every game.

In 3s should feral be on par with other melee or do we focus on more off healing and cc to help land kills?

[cold escarp]

you're more like ret or enh than a warrior ofc

offheals are important

[junior plover]

I'm not that sure if 50% cast time on clone is good enough

I think High Winds is better

You're on a tight budget talent wise

[junior plover]

A lot of people consider it to be one of the hardest specs in the game in pvp

But it's not that hard to play, just very hard to master

[fresh tangle]

@junior plover well tbh I don't think I'll master it I just Wana hit 1800 consistently for the gear and Mogs.

[upbeat needle]

I'm new to druid too Sikbreh, I am playing balance atm, but I don't know....

Convoke is like a one shot button, but if you dare to miss, it's over during 2 minutes

Maybe I'm completely wrong but idk

[junior plover]

The best advice I can give you is to go fast

Feral falls behind really quickly if they aren't pushing the enemy back

Due to the nature of how our self healing works

If you aren't the one exerting pressure you'll heal for considerably less

Run at people, every 45 seconds you go with TF + maim + feral frenzy

Keep them on the back foot

If you play with convoke your goal should be to take away all counterplay first and then convoke

So force all the trinkets or make sure the only player with a trinket is separated from the kill target

And don't bother with rip/thrash too much