MMR is the "skill" level of your team
#pvp
cold escarp
gloomy nova
Your rating is one thing. As you play your MMR goes up or down. If you win alot your mmr goes up and you face higher MMR teams. Yes your CR also increases but you can be 1500 rating and face teams at 2k+ mmr.
tame pebble
mmr is something hidden?
gloomy nova
Personal MMR is hidden yes
But you can always see your teams and the enemy teams MMR
tame pebble
good to know
junior plover
Imagine if in chess you had to play 2 pawns down vs players 600 elo higher than you until you get to their elo then you can play with all pawns
Just play better 4Head
clear pulsar
clear pulsar
Boosters (or the perception that enemy is boosting like the fact that they have 40k hp on a glad mount) definitely kill people's interest
But like kaw said
It's normal the season's been going on for 5 months
Ofc participation goes down over time
clear pulsar
Sure
clear pulsar
My big gripe is gearing difference
Next patch will be so bad
For gearing thru pvp
Even worse than now
clear pulsar
What they need to do is close the ilvl gap between pvp base gear and conquest gear
Like real wod
gloomy nova
I think a huge issue right now is that its impossible to pvp with an alt, or if you are low geared (which is like below 215 ilvl). Imagine trying to get ur conquest cap if your like a 1.8 exp guy
trying to LFG with 200 ilvl
lime light
Boosting is a problem, but its not the issue ppl are hardatuck 1.5k and compaling they cant climb cuz of boosters
clear pulsar
if ur like 210 doesnt even matter
What do you think is the difference in damage between 226 and 210 ilvl?
stray sigil
i think it doesnt matter that much, unless u play vs like a full gear warrior or ww and ur 210
clear pulsar
When do you think it matters? Does the difference between 197 and 226 matter?
lime light
Lmao Feji
Drunk ok
Leave him alone pls
There is big gap between 220 and 226
Every ilvl u get gives u more damgur
Way more
stray sigil
feels like a cop out
tall knoll
They should just make it jump 3 or 4 ilvl for each pvp upgrade. And the same thing for m+ and raid
stray sigil
blame 10 ilvl waah
tall knoll
Nobodys blaming. But it would make the game better
clear pulsar
blame 10 ilvl waah
Feels like someone who is wrong
You
As usual
Found live footage of fuji speaking ^
stray sigil
being 210 and not 226 is not whats stopping u from getting to 1800 or 2.1
clear pulsar
That's irrelevant
And feelycrafting
If I'm playing a 210 character against 226 characters and I lose the game after getting them down to under 20%, you're goddamn right I'm blaming it on gear difference
It's simple
cold escarp
fellas why are you fighting
just sort it out old school
in a duel outside of orgrimmar
vapid nexus
the bitching about pvp ilvl is mostly the same t@rds who whine about having to do save rounds when losing in CS.
viscid remnant
vapid nexus
in a close fight it matters ofc, but reddit lumps don't have close matches, they just pve mashing and praying
cold escarp
pvp ilvl jumps are a problem tho?
vapid nexus
they too, could have had a massive ilvl advantage if they were just not shit from the season start, or even any time within the first ~2 months while everyone was conquest and box limited anyway
pallid vessel
they too, could have had a massive ilvl advantage if they were just not shit fro...
have u ever heard of an alt?? awful take
cold escarp
we all lost iq reading this
vapid nexus
then tough shit, be good on it from the start. Heaven forbid a character you don't put in the the bare minimum of time on, should suffer marginally in any way
clear pulsar
the bitching about pvp ilvl is mostly the same t@rds who whine about having to d...
Or the ones that say night fae is better for resto druid
viscid remnant
Yeah im supposed to suffer while playing a videogame
pallid vessel
i am good on all my alts u cringer, doesnt change the fact that i need 11,000 conquest and you get 8 conquest per normal bg win
viscid remnant
Another brilliant opinion
green valve
I mean i dont mind better gear for mains
But 200 to 226
Is legit a different season
lime light
220 vs 226 is big gap also
junior plover
Found live footage of fuji speaking ^
junior plover
being 210 and not 226 is not whats stopping u from getting to 1800 or 2.1
Yes if you're a 1800 player then it will be literally impossible for you to get 1800 if your opponents are 226 lmao
clear pulsar
The save rounds in CS is such a terrible analogy I would imagine you're even lower ranked there than you are in wow
junior plover
It's literally the truth
green valve
Like we were saying yesterday i carried my buds 156 dk to 1400 in 2s on my 226 ret
Literally nothing they could do
vapid nexus
1800 is 220. You would have enough conquest by having just done the weekly quests and picking box rewards.
junior plover
If you're a 1800 player then you cant beat other 1800s with better gear than you
green valve
Cant kill me cant survive the 1 min burst
clear pulsar
If you're a 1800 player then you cant beat other 1800s with better gear than you
This is the part that matters
It has nothing to do with 6 ilvl being THE DEAL BREAKER between getting 2.1k or not
It's about playing a ranked pvp game in an even playing field
cold escarp
if ur better than ur enemies u will eventually have 50%+ winrate but problem is how long its taking and all that time u have to tryhard sweat just to beat mouth breathers with 10k hp more than u
junior plover
Real footage of fuji talking to other 2800 players about how 1800 players just need to git gud
vapid nexus
wow is not a serious competitive game, there are a hundred other things that are more egregious uneven fields than marginal ilvl.
junior plover
Bro it's not marginal lmao
pallid vessel
ive got 100% loss rate with fuji in random normal bgs where he went merc mode and i was on my alt, so if that doesnt tell u what u need to know
idk what does
junior plover
I literally win most games 2v3 at 1600 rating after our undergeared warrior dies
These guys 6k hp less than me
pallid vessel
sample size of 1
junior plover
Can't kill me or oom my healer
Ever
We can literally play until the enemy healer ooms and win every 2v3
clear pulsar
wow is not a serious competitive game, there are a hundred other things that are...
The issue is marketing 9.1 pvp as wod-like when in wod the difference between base gear you got every bg and full conquest was 30 ilvls, now it's 68 ilvls.
junior plover
Straight up haven't lost a game yet if at least one guy wasn't 225+
vapid nexus
they deserve to lose, if 3 brainlets can't handle rotating kicks and cc to at bare minimum be more mana efficient or buy drinks for their healer: they have no right to win
junior plover
It's impossible
Bro
They can kick my healer 10 times
It doesn't matter
I pop frenzied regen
I can go 10 seconds without heals
weak hinge
10 sec. So Long. Wow.
junior plover
I can hardcast regrowth in their face if they kick the healer
Like lmao they don't even tickle
The gear diff is ABYSMAL
junior plover
No I agree you should win 3v2
But theyd need to play like 2k players
To even win the 2v3
Let alone a 3v3
vapid nexus
if they can't get drinks or at least be mana efficient, they DESERVE to lose. They didn't play or played like shit early season, and are playing like shit now. Just make like MTGarena and rig winrates so they keep buying wow tokens at that point
cold escarp
if u started playing not from start season u deserve to lose thats what im getting here
and also fuck your alts
clear pulsar
X being worse than Y doesn't make X DESERVE TO LOSE EVERY GAME to Z
That's an even worse take than your CS comparison
Which was pretty shit
junior plover
Listen so what I'm getting here is
vapid nexus
literally going on 3 months of time to have started and you would still be nearly the same ilvl
junior plover
Next season you should get matched exclusively vs rank 1 players at 1500 mmr
Forever
If you're good you'll win
If not git gud
Who cares if you could beat 2k players at equal footing?
You CAN beat r1 players
Hence you should be able to get to 2k anyway
Despite the disadvantage
junior plover
junior plover
Some people are not 2.4k rated players
lime light
With pve warriors
junior plover
They deserve to get the rating they should be
junior plover
Instead of 1.4-2k mmr being basically the same thing
Decided by random chance based on who you queue into
vapid nexus
smurfing will always exist, if you now think skill mismatch is your next cross, this game doesn't even incentivize or pay them well: there's just so few people playing the boomer game that it sticks out more.
clear pulsar
Don't bother kiosk
junior plover
Smurfing is a different story entirely
And not even that big of an issue
We're talking about the fact that you need to play like a 1800 player to get 1400 rating so that you can get 1400 rated gear
At which point you can start playing like a 1400
A 1400 player will never hit 1400 in the current system
Ever
It's literally impossible
Unless they play day 1
I think after 1400 its not as ridiculous
vapid nexus
1400 is literally just win 30%-40% of your games until a streak ticks it over in the worst case
junior plover
If you win 30-40% of your games you'll probably get 7 or 8 rating per win
Tell me how many 35% rolls in a row you'd need to win
pallid vessel
some of the most fun ive had is grinding alts to 1400 at like 165 ilvl
junior plover
To get 100+ rating in that case
pallid vessel
u have to try so hard
vapid nexus
7 to 8 rating would be playing against unranked players or with an unranked teammate
junior plover
Bro if you keep losing 60% of your games that's what will happen to your mmr
vapid nexus
and when it ditches down: the moving average will spike back up
junior plover
"Just lose 60% of your games until you hit the 0.03% chance to get a big enough win streak to fall into 1400"
cold escarp
dont even think that works
junior plover
So just play 3000 games at 40% winrate
junior plover
Yeah I mean if they play enough games
vapid nexus
no you don't
vapid nexus
congrats, you choke and lose against losers enough to keep your mmr shit
pallid vessel
yo pocket i looked u up and notice ur 1800 with 50% winrate at 224
vapid nexus
only lose against higher rated players, and don't lose against trash
clear pulsar
Bro I told you it wasn't worth it
junior plover
How do you lose at 1800 tbh
cold escarp
if u lose at 1600 u dont deserve to live
junior plover
clear pulsar
Pocketful of war was talking about necro for rdruid here
junior plover
Me and my priest are 2.3k rated in 2s and we're literally like 55% wr at 1600 mmr in 3s cuz very undergeared partner
It's ridiculous
I can't imagine actually being a 1600 player
Having to play us
Like no joke it's not fun
It feels sad
When they lose
cold escarp
oh i get it
clear pulsar
He thought night fae was better than necro
cold escarp
he enjoys the big power gap because he enjoys curbstomping ppl with 15 ilvl below him
clear pulsar
cold escarp
i get it now
vapid nexus
yeah, I'm not at glad after 1 season of play and don't care to waste the time learning or massaging egos to keep a team around for a game mode with such long ques. The difference is I'm not deluded into thinking I deserve free equivalent rewards to glads
junior plover
No one even mentioned glad
viscid remnant
Pocketful of war was talking about necro for rdruid here
junior plover
We were talking about 1400
And 1800
And we're talking about players who would hit 1800 if gear didn't exist
clear pulsar
Bro he makes shit CS parallels that make no sense at all
junior plover
Being unable to hit 1800
viscid remnant
he enjoys the big power gap because he enjoys curbstomping ppl with 15 ilvl belo...
ye thats the typical pve/fotm ape
viscid remnant
true LMAO
junior plover
If anything it's the people who get lucky winstreaks and get the gear
That are getting the rewards for free
Or rbg heroes
Or pve players
junior plover
None of them deserve to be 1800
Like you
224 ilvl at 1800
You're not a 1800 player then
But that's not a handout?
cold escarp
how do u even get 224 at 1800 isnt the gear capped at 220 at that rating
vapid nexus
you are both batches of whiners that just want it made to something it doesn't need to be.
junior plover
I'm literally beyond the conversation as I'm full bis gear
The system is obviously broken for people who aren't me
pallid vessel
and alts
viscid remnant
just dont have alt 
junior plover
Would I hit 2.3k again if I had to gear up my feral from 0? Probably
But if I was 2.1k right now
I would not hit 2.1k again
clear pulsar
you are both batches of whiners that just want it made to something it doesn't n...
To something that it already had been in the past
Fucking dumas
junior plover
viscid remnant
ye in legion gear didnt matter
clear pulsar
Blizzard literally got the system better than this multiple times over in previous expansions
viscid remnant
good expansion
junior plover
This is legit the worst gearing system in the history of the game
In terms of pvp competitiveness
Think of a worse one
There never was one
junior plover
Bfa was broken
pallid vessel
bfa season 4 was pretty fucking bad man, at least equal
junior plover
But even if you fell victim to the bugs
pallid vessel
you actually could not start an alt halfway through the season
viscid remnant
i dont want to pve for my pvp gear simple as that
clear pulsar
It takes 90k honor to get a set of 197 gear, or around 250 bgs at 50% win rate, just for you to go into arena and still do 40% less damage than everyone else
junior plover
pallid vessel
no SHOT that it was 15% weaker in BfA lmao.. playing as a 420ilvl destro with no expedient against a 480+ destro with full expedient
was 200% power gain
clear pulsar
Kiosk did
junior plover
We want wod tho
cold escarp
reminder that wod was the best pvp expansion
vapid nexus
fine, slight damage differences in an inherently non-competitive game is the absolute chain keeping bad players from having a bad player badge. Every single whiner is only whining because they said their mea culpas and hail maries every night. Lies about damage and health differences be damned.
cold escarp
arena is competitive tho
junior plover
^ first off this
clear pulsar
Pocketful of war is special
I think he likes some condiments in his food
Like that yellow thing that looks like mayo
cold escarp
i think he just didnt try playing an alt yet
clear pulsar
Starts with M too
junior plover
cold escarp
hes gonna get hardstuck at 1400 on alt
junior plover
Like if arena is so not competitive to you
Why do you care so much if people get the rating
Lmao
junior plover
vapid nexus
then why is warrior and firemage where they are? Why was hpal the only healer for months? why were moonrats allowed to have convoke and boat for months? Why do crits matter as much as they do?
junior plover
Cuz blizzard sucks
vapid nexus
where is the competitive, even playing field. There never was one
junior plover
Two wrongs don't make a right
clear pulsar
ALright you guys have fun with the nightfae-is-bis-for-resto druid
cold escarp
yes and its not simple to balance when they overhaul whole systems every expansion
by end of expansion game is pretty balanced every time
viscid remnant
what are you smoking
junior plover
The difference between a 220 and a 213 player is greater than the difference between an arms warrior and a demon hunter
viscid remnant
competitive doesnt mean balanced
junior plover
Literally the worst spec in the game
Is better than the best spec in the game at 10 less ilvls
So the spec balance comparisons are ridiculous
vapid nexus
literal horse-shit
junior plover
If arcane mage got 15% more damage and hp tomorrow
It'd be the best spec in the game
junior plover
Nah didn't mean to call them worst in the game
Just wanted melee
Thats low tier rn
Relatively to arms
clear pulsar
If arcane mage got 15% more damage and hp tomorrow
Damn kiosk with a good take
What have we come to
viscid remnant
kiosk da bigbrain
vapid nexus
you're just delusional, go refill your clozapine scrip
viscid remnant
i mean
junior plover
junior plover
True
junior plover
Might be a good patch yet
clear pulsar
Frost destro mw 
viscid remnant
sure i guess
junior plover
pallid vessel
implying everybody in the druid pvp discord plays a druid as a main
pallid vessel
a lot of people here are just here to listen to a bunch of angry european feral players yell at eachother
viscid remnant
i mean i usually play druid as main or alt
clear pulsar
a lot of people here are just here to listen to a bunch of angry european feral ...
It's truly top notch entertainment
viscid remnant
banter
junior plover
Guys will I make glad or no
clear pulsar
Yes ofc
cold escarp
yep ive been to multiple discord pvp chats and nothing like this
they're all mostly dead
clear pulsar
Come to NA we get glad triple feral fuji will carry, one venthyr frenzyband, one curio kyrian, one draught necrolord @junior plover
clear pulsar
I think it's funny the guy was calling you/us delusional and whiners while popping out the 'I just don't play enough' excuse
junior plover
Honestly it's the truth
If you play enough you can get any rating
No kapp
Unless your brain is fried
But that's cuz you'll get better at the game
Doesn't mean you're good right now
Also I killed both blue baby and the dark chest guy with keeper today
Good day
vapid nexus
I didn't "excuse" not being glad by not playing, I know I'm not there, and don't want to be there because it's a timesink for a mount.
junior plover
I mean if that's how you see it
Why play the game lmao
"Chess is just a time sink for getting the grandmaster title"
cold escarp
then why are u giving such shit takes if ur not even playing the game competitively
junior plover
vapid nexus
yeah, you sunk a lot of time into an old game so you can use your fake clout for grooming: have a golf-clap for your virtue
junior plover
Lmao wtf is going on
viscid remnant
hahaha
clear pulsar
???
junior plover
clear pulsar
Grooming?
viscid remnant
tfw the krek hit u
clear pulsar
My guy is wilding
clear pulsar
Shit at CS and shit at analogies
junior plover
Wonder why you put the time into the game to get 1800
To groom kids who are a bit easier to impress probably
viscid remnant
TRUE
junior plover
clear pulsar
Lil kids dont even play this videogame
vapid nexus
Lil kids dont even play this videogame
says the 90lb sopping wet, baby faced runt of the litter lol
junior plover
True anyone with half a brain uses stones
vapid nexus
I'm so clever I overflowed the integer
junior plover
For weight
blissful belfry
how heavy is a stone tho
clear pulsar
viscid remnant
foot fetish andy measuring height with feet and calls us weird for playing the game
blissful belfry
i know i play with a guy that'S always stoned and he's fucking heavy. but probably not the same kind of stone
junior plover
I'm probably like 300 stones
Or like
1 big stone
But not too big
Is that how Americans talk?
blissful belfry
i dont know
cold escarp
i think stone is british
blissful belfry
americans are wildly uneducated
clear pulsar
Stone isn't american
blissful belfry
and yea
junior plover
I know
blissful belfry
stones is prolly brit
junior plover
My joke fell flat like half way through me typing the message
But at that point i committed so many calories
Might as well go for it
blissful belfry
hehehe
viscid remnant
unlucky
pallid vessel
foot fetish andy measuring height with feet and calls us weird for playing the g...
whats wrong with liking feet
blissful belfry
liking feet i guess is fine. licking is a bit less
pallid vessel
if u think my female blood elves have EVER had a boot transmog ur smoking crack
clear pulsar
Facts
viscid remnant
very sussy
clear pulsar
Bare feet mogs >>>>
blissful belfry
my tauren hooves are always bare-hoofed but i wouldnt tap that
junior plover
Not my fault tho
This season's set has troll boots
And tauren too i think
That's nice
cold escarp
only plate boots
cold escarp
oh zandalari maybe but reg troll no
junior plover
They look like plate tho
junior plover
oh zandalari maybe but reg troll no
cold escarp
its different model
junior plover
I know but I thought they actually did something right
The least they could do since no tier sets
Is make sure the only set fits all the races
blissful belfry
what are the chances blizz took away tier set just so they could save on item set designer salaries
viscid remnant
LMAO
junior plover
Alternatively they moved a lot of them into world design or npc or whatever
Instead of hiring extra
clear pulsar
Nah they make just as many sets now
junior plover
Same story either way
junior plover
But raids pvp and everything shares the design now
It used to be that every raid had tier gear AND an another look for the armor type
Just for random drops
And pvp had different gear
vapid nexus
they just got sick of counting, they ran out of fingers and toes, had even added their chode to the count. Beyond this point they'd need a pencil and paper to keep track. (that's 21, since yall likely can't count)
junior plover
I mean I guess they need to make mail gear now
Idk I'm not too mad about this thing in particular I just wish all the races looked good in all the sets
There's even clipping issues for some races
cold escarp
best i can give u is orcs and humans
junior plover
Which should not be acceptable imo
Zandalari looks goated in leather elite
Like it was designed for us
Orcs ain't got no shit
On me
viscid remnant
tauren goated race
vapid nexus
wait until you see how entire races react to the new backpacks
junior plover
If I played tauren I'd wear r14 classic gear forever
viscid remnant
im not rbg hero i dont have that transmog unlocked
junior plover
Cuz they literally designed it for taurens lmao
viscid remnant
very sad
viscid remnant
i just slap on the shoulders from wod
that gives u bug wings
and random green gear
ez meme mog
junior plover
Guys will complain about lazy set design then roll up to the arena looking like this
pallid vessel
with the name frostbolterx
junior plover
its my proudest transmog tho
clear pulsar
This is goat tier mog
verbal talon
Is this just a retail channel or are TBC questions ok?
pallid vessel
this isnt even a WoW channel man
pallid vessel
"good" tbc player bro
verbal talon
How do Feral bears compete against Rogues?
pallid vessel
thats like saying "good Putt Putt Saves the Zoo" player
theyre both baby ass games
verbal talon
In Wrath, rogues could not kill bears, well could not kill my bear, anything like that in TBC I don't remember
junior plover
Well the real answer is that ferals arent played except as a niche in 2s with Rogue/Feral
They dont necessarily die to rogues
they just dont bring much to the table
cold escarp
if u wanna play druid dps in tbc dont
verbal talon
Gotcha, but I would like to run some jank. 🙂
junior plover
The niche I am thinking of running is a deep-ish resto feral playing 2nd healer for a warrior in 3s
verbal talon
if u wanna play druid dps in tbc dont
lol
cold escarp
restokin + rogue is fun but ur still a heal slut at the end of the day
thats all i know
junior plover
I played a lot of classic vanilla as feral if that helps
if youre in bear form you take no damage from rogues
or any melee for that matter
you can sit for 20+ sec
verbal talon
I tanked as much as I could in classic
verbal talon
okays
cold escarp
he was a legend in those days
verbal talon
lol cow saying "go away you skinny bitch"
I followed this person for a long time https://thebigbearbutt.com/
lime light
Legend in this days
Backpedle ape Arrow turning
That's the best player in bc
Pretty much good pc and normal fps
Insta glad
haughty compass
I was glad moonkin rogue rsham. Blood lusted treants were actually really good
cold escarp
in tbc?
cold escarp
i havent played druid back then
how did moonkins even deal dmg?
no starsurge no eclipse
u just dot and wrath?
haughty compass
Yea, and the meta gemproc for super fast starfire
cold escarp
what gem proc is that
haughty compass
I forget the name, but initially it was an instant cast
Then it was changed to like half cast
And nature’s grace was good back then, every crit made casts fast
thin cypress
Is there any write ups on what a boomkin should focus on in rated BGs?
pallid vessel
1.) Damage
2.) Not dying
3.) Listening to leader callouts
u can sticky that if u want
thin cypress
Snore
thin cypress
OK, so let's say we're heading into a big team fight. Is it best to dot the full enemy group, or just pve focus into a single target based on call outs?
foggy ravine
cyclone dps on their cds
trim moth
@thin cypress Cyclone is really good at disrupting the enemy team. I would say CC should be one of your main focuses. Entangling melee to help your healers as well.
thin cypress
Sounds good, would you prefer to cc DPS or healers in a team fight?
lime light
Just do unhealable damgur
stray sigil
Yes if you're a 1800 player then it will be literally impossible for you to get ...
hard disagree
stray sigil
1v1 me right now
junior plover
hard disagree
I mean its in the name
1800 player
can only beat 1800 players if they have equal tools to work with
stray sigil
if everyone plays perfect sure
but like
we are not machines
doesnt work like that
cold escarp
u will average negative win loss if u only go vs more geared ppl who are same skill as u
which means u will drop rate
so yeah u will win once in a while with some lucky crits
but its useless
stray sigil
u assume u would lose every time u face someone higher gear
cold escarp
???
thats literally opposite of what i said
u will NOT lose every time
but u will lose more than 50% which means u will drop rate
cold escarp
it was hypothetical scenario
stray sigil
u dont face boosters every single game
when i did some boosting
wasnt even every other game
cold escarp
you dont have to face boosters to face 226 tho
many ppl buy RBG boosts and then go arena
stray sigil
i mean if people buy 2.1 in rbg
they are more than likely going to be completely terrible in arena
so whats the problem there i dotn see it
cold escarp
no problem its fine
green valve
I just finished a session got my boy 1600 on his 156 fdk
stray sigil
gear isnt gonna lose u games
green valve
My rets full 226
cold escarp
gear will lose u a lot of games lol
green valve
Games need to last till my second round of divine toll
stray sigil
if ur 210 going against 226 not warrior or ww
green valve
Nothing they can do about it
cold escarp
im 2450 on my main and right now im stuck on 1300 on my alt because im 190 ilvl
green valve
Its not winnable for 1600 kids lol
stray sigil
the whole point im making is 210 vs like 226
cold escarp
210 vs 226 is still very big gap
green valve
My verdicts hit for 25k
sand dawn
green valve
On 213
stray sigil
thats always been the case
cold escarp
more than 50 games a week
cold escarp
then gear upgrades should match that i think
213 is avg gear so 1400 should be 213 gear
stray sigil
heroic gear isnt casual at all though lol
cold escarp
heroic raid is pretty damn easy
cold escarp
i'd say rn 1600 is harder than heroic raid
cold escarp
it doesnt matter
cold escarp
u have 3 difficulties in raids
heroic raid is average
ur avg joe can do heroic raid
so why shouldnt avg joe get 213 gear from arena
stray sigil
i would have to look it up
but im pretty positive that the average joe
doesnt heroic raid
cold escarp
u can literally PUG heroic raid rn
stray sigil
why do u think theres so many aotc boosts lol
cold escarp
aotc is mythic isnt it
stray sigil
no
blissful belfry
no
cold escarp
oh ok
blissful belfry
are you average joe? not knowing the diff between aotc and CE
clear pulsar
Fuji gets boosted by willy so when he tries to boost others he cant, cuz he's boosted himself. THen he acts like boosting is impossible and doesn't exist other than the very top rank 1s
blissful belfry
clear pulsar
It is the truth
cold escarp
i dont pve much
stray sigil
interesting take
cold escarp
i think the gear difference just doesnt work in pvp as it does in pve
clear pulsar
i think the gear difference just doesnt work in pvp as it does in pve
It doesnt work in pve either
No one likes having 4 raid difficulties
blissful belfry
i was soing 2s to help out a friend a few days ago. stumbled upon absterge doing some qs with viewer
cold escarp
i mean in pve u wanna feel stronger when u advance into next difficulty
blissful belfry
sterge on his resto sham out-dps my aff lock friend
cold escarp
they can just add more tiers into pvp
so gear upgrades every 100 instead of 200
but simplest fix is normalize all gear to same ilvl in pvp
blissful belfry
and then what
blissful belfry
you push rating for: no character progression?
blissful belfry
thats reet
cold escarp
idk i dont care about gear
idk why ppl even care for gear
new patch comes out and all gear is useless
blissful belfry
The idea you have for how gear should be is representative of an extreme minority
cold escarp
yeah except u cant grind to get best gear
rancid rivet
If i'm trying to get into RBGs as a guardian is sleeper the main legendary to craft?
blissful belfry
no matter how you argue your gear should be all the same point. If you have no character progression, people arent going to grind it
blissful belfry
Why would i grind my goddamn ass queuing to 2100s if it gives me nothing else than a shit title
stray sigil
like having to not grind gear will not just make the ladder more active
cold escarp
Why would i grind my goddamn ass queuing to 2100s if it gives me nothing else th...
why do ppl get 3.3k rating? they can just get 2400 and quit
blissful belfry
very few people do
cold escarp
its the competitive drive my dude
proving urself ur good
getting good
thats the fun part
not getting some gear that u will replace in a couple of months
blissful belfry
I dont really get your aversion toward gear
blissful belfry
Also. arena isnt a separate game from the rest of wow
cold escarp
the jumps are too high between tiers
stray sigil
gear was part of the game in wod and mop
cold escarp
we have terrible ilvl inflation
cold escarp
wod was fine because all conquest gear was same ilvl
stray sigil
ur talking abotu getting stronger and it being good in pve
cold escarp
its not the case anymore
blissful belfry
If you want to make it so arena doesnt award gear scaling higher for better rated player. either you have absolutely useless gear for pve content. or you have strong gear for pve content that can be obtanined anytime
junior plover
cant beat that shit
clear pulsar
gear was part of the game in wod and mop
The difference between BASE pvp gear that you got 1 every bg win or lose, and full conquest, was 30 ilvls. Right now it's 68 ilvls.
In wod
You are missing the point
Like usual
junior plover
cold escarp
look in shadowlands we started with 20k hp and we're already on 40k
junior plover
Also conquest gear was same ilvl
junior plover
so at some point you caught up
junior plover
Pls dont talking
cold escarp
legion model was okay for ppl like me
junior plover
ok im out
cold escarp
i had like 6 alts
because i could just get max lvl and hop into arena
GOAT expansion
blissful belfry
you can still hop in arena
stray sigil
was an xpac that cattered to the casual
blissful belfry
just wont queue at the highest cr
obtuse ice
Imagine always talking about past expansion 😔
cold escarp
on my current alt ppl outgeared me at 0 rating
blissful belfry
on my ret alt, i was queuing at 800 mmr fresh
yes we face people with 10k more hp
but thats even funnier
cuz they goddamn suck
cold escarp
yeah its pretty funny
cold escarp
i met gladiators multiple times in 1300
and won
but i literally had to sweat my ass out
at 1300
blissful belfry
see
obtuse ice
Deserved glad
blissful belfry
thats whats nice about elo. you will be placed in a match were the victory is expected to be 50/50
cold escarp
bro imagine in s3 ppl will run around with 100k hp and u go into bg with ur 20k hp
idk what blizz is doing
with this ilvl inflation
blissful belfry
bfa had benthic gear once we entered 8.2
catch up gear wont make you the best dude
blissful belfry
but it will make you catch up to the scaling
like, once shadowland have people running around at 100k hp
the catch up gear will have scaled up along too
yes you will be undergeared compared to max geared players
obviously
cold escarp
sounds like band aid fix to a bigger problem
instead of fixing the problem itself
which is ilvl inflation
blissful belfry
but there will still be a palce for you on the ladder and a way to improve your gear until you catch it all up
cold escarp
i actually like small numbers
when i saw ppl have 25k hp in beta i was hype
was tired of the 500k hp shit
blissful belfry
Ilvl inflation is kinda forced if you want new raid to be challenging for world first raider and also completable by weaker playerbase
cold escarp
no
its not forced
u fix it easily in pvp by making all pvp gear scale to same ilvl in pvp
so all conquest gear is 233 in pvp for example
and next season its 240
instead of idk 280
or soemthing
cold escarp
dreambinder?
cold escarp
so starlord
arctic rivet
I should've specificed
cold escarp
incarn is good if u use BOAT so u get 100% crit
blissful belfry
instead of idk 280
Your asking of blizzard to make pvp an almost completly separate game from pve
cold escarp
blizz is doing it already next patch anyway
blissful belfry
no
blissful belfry
the new change really sucks. but 220 gear right now still isnt bad
obv 226 is better
but im progging sire M and i still have lots of raid members with 220 pieces
because they didnt put efforts in pvp
blissful belfry
true, but thats all spheres of wow
m+ is cancerous as hell
and the later you go in the patch, the worst it gets
because since theres a whole lot of people queuing in the lfg at higher ilvl / io than you. there is no reason for them to take you
cold escarp
yeah im stuck at 195 rn
got 2 options
farm million honor to get to 197 ilvl
or somehow farm conquest
blissful belfry
conquest is easy to farm at any cr
cold escarp
how
blissful belfry
spam
cold escarp
spam what
blissful belfry
you dont win more conquest at 2100 than you win at 800
cold escarp
how do i get into group with 195 ilvl and 13% vers tho?
cold escarp
yeah thats the issue
blissful belfry
or with another shit undergeared pug
cold escarp
all friends quit slands at this point
blissful belfry
there are lfg tagging ''new alt grinding conquest''
just smash some double dps 800 mmr qs and conquest will flow faster than if you were quein at 2k with a healer
cold escarp
yeah no such groups rn
cold escarp
lfg tool is misery
blissful belfry
nah. when you tank at the natural mmr of your group. you win around 50%
cold escarp
was just in a group with 200 avg ilvl
with 0 cr
and we ended up with 1500 group
with good gear
blissful belfry
of course
cold escarp
hah
blissful belfry
you need to tank your mmr
cold escarp
what a waste of time
blissful belfry
the first few games or some form of placement matches
to gauge the skill level of your group
neon rover
you can always create your own group of RBG's, use YOLO low cr/gear in the title and wait a few minutes until it fill. Be a dick and select some good classes and alt from people who actually know what to do, and you'll climb very fast to 1400+ even in YOLO with no gear / no voice.
cold escarp
i dont need 1400+
once i get gear i just get 2400 in 2s
i need a fast way to get conq
neon rover
i'm not saying you need 1400+, i'm saying eventually you'll reach that with no difficult farming Honor/Conquest
cold escarp
oh okay
neon rover
and once you reach 1400+ in RBG's, you'll start to have better gear and can climb easy af in 2's as Fae Balance or Necro Resto
neon rover
it is when you have 190 ilvl, facing Glad players boosting all day in 1400-1600 rating
neon rover
Yeah, maybe you are a god that kill a glad 228 ilvl with a druid in 190 ilvl
cold escarp
Yes.
neon rover
but np with that, to farm at low gear/rating, creater your groups of RBG and you'll be fine
fallow root
Calm down guy
green valve
And theyre dumpstering affi too
lime light
?
tall knoll
Its still like 3 months away. or more
cold escarp
yeah but its not like aff is good or fun to play now
tall knoll
If i was a lock i would just switch destruction when 9.1 hits. problem solved
cold escarp
so they are shit now and they have nothing to look forward to
that destro buff is sus
tall knoll
destro is already pretty good in pvp
cold escarp
relying on havoc is not fun when every team has curse dispel
tall knoll
relying on convoke wasnt really fun in my eyes either as nf boomie
doesnt mean its bad
cold escarp
different
clear pulsar
Nah destro will be sick
tall knoll
im just saying you have options as warlock. its not just white and black warlock is garbage
cold escarp
i played warlock first 2 months of slands
tall knoll
patch notes arent even fixated yet
cold escarp
cuz warriors suck in pve
tall knoll
they could still nerf them in pvp like they did with other classes
junior plover
people jump to conclusions way too fast
Yeah I am 50% convinced that the gear they put on ptr is literally the first placeholder just to have something to fuck with on the dev client or w/e
Because it is placeholder and not even the right name
On the other hand
I was equally convinced warrior would appear in 9.0.5 patch notes
And they almost got buffed
So you know
I'm not giving Blizz the benefit of the doubt and I'll keep talking about what they shouldn't do just in case they think about it
cold escarp
bro 2 hours in LFG tool i gained 25 conquest from 1 2s win
junior plover
junior plover
LFG is a ridiculous world
That I'm happy not to be a part of
Btw our warrior gained 15 ilvls and we are winning at 300 higher mmr now
One player out of 3
cold escarp
carry me on alt ill carry ur alt l8r i promise
cold escarp
yeah warrior scales p gud with gear
junior plover
RIDICULOUS
junior plover
carry me on alt ill carry ur alt l8r i promise
Wish I had alt
I have Spriest fresh 60
cold escarp
come play on it
cold escarp
spriest boomy dream lets go
junior plover
cold escarp
i got a weapon so im pretty strong
junior plover
I actually thought I'd play him but as soon as I hit 60 I gave up on him
junior plover
I think the fact that playing Spriest made me learn how to kill Spriest
Made me realize they're not broken
And i don't want a part of that anymore
junior plover
>1.5 CR BE 220 ILVL
junior plover
I think it's rly strong but
For some reason I was under the impression that they're hard to kill
While in reality you just kick them on shadow all game
cold escarp
they are ur just 160 ilvl