pvp

[lime light]

if u are playing

shadowplay

[clear pulsar]

Entangling bark FARMS melees

[tardy hare]

I'll farm you

[clear pulsar]

[viscid remnant]

humble rbg meme farmer

[tardy hare]

[ebon vortex]

master shapeshifer isnt what it used to be either

i miss the old version

it was so good in 2s

[lime light]

also feels like

ww is almost the most sqishy class in the game

if u dont play properly

and pre

most of enemys dmg

[ebon vortex]

ww melts when they dont have anything left

[lime light]

but if u play properly

u always have something

[safe heart]

ww get the chomp

[viscid remnant]

ww is just a scuffed warrior tbh

and dh is a scuffed ww

[lime light]

no

both dh and ww are good

just warrior is lvl 70

[viscid remnant]

based

[foggy ravine]

warrior has tons of utility + big dam

+hard to kill

[viscid remnant]

i mean theyre both extremely squishy

[plucky trout]

How do i get good at pvp

Rogue mage always owns me

[lime light]

play more

[junior plover]

Method eu RMP?

Nerf rogue btw

[lime light]

maybe whaazz

is playing the 30k shadowstrike

build

[junior plover]

Why does it take 15 minutes to start an awc game

WHY

Why are you still talking

[lime light]

prolly some technical issues

[junior plover]

Show feral

[lime light]

they have gems now?

[clear pulsar]

Had it since like cup 3 at least

[lime light]

rly

[junior plover]

It's normal rogue it seems

[clear pulsar]

Healers been playing this giga brain

[lime light]

he is playing normal build

but with 6 cp tho

but lontar is an orc

so cant sap

after kidney

[clear pulsar]

Yeah no point using MFD when shadowstrike is all your damage anyway

Make sense

[lime light]

or is it meta to not play mfd

anymore?

[clear pulsar]

Nah not meta

MFD still default

Whaazz does play 6cp on ladder too tho

[junior plover]

Ye

[clear pulsar]

Raiku in hte meantime #1 EU and #1 NA

On ladders

[lime light]

ye

meh around too right

wait what

necrolord priest

he cant die

[junior plover]

Necro Spriest

I feel like a big problem with covenants is the disconnect between ladder and pro play

Rmp will NEVER queue into necro Spriest/necro arms

[clear pulsar]

That exists without covenants too tho

Like when cassidy was winning shit in BFA, teams picked up turbo to counter jungle

Turbo was literally inexistent all of BFA on ladder

Idk

I really really don't mind the covenants yall just complaaaain

[lime light]

no

i allowed it

idk how can they win that

whaazz writing tweet

already

how bad rogue is

[junior plover]

Counterpicks is same thing true

[cold escarp]

he picked it lol

he play boomy and warr all day then picks rogue in awc

[clear pulsar]

Its like when people bitched that cdew abused dh boomie to win bcon

When everyone else had equal opportunity to play whatever comp they wanted

Complaining is just good for the soul i guess

[lime light]

ppl bitch cuz of the bug

in starting zone

[safe heart]

Natural orders will helps if they actually go you

[plucky trout]

They always go on my dps

[lime light]

so heal maybe

today?

stay max range

[junior plover]

UNLEASH CASSIDY

ITS TIME

[lime light]

no wonder his name is loseforever

[junior plover]

Yeah that sort of shit is always funny

I don't think covenant swapping is unfair in pro play but I feel like it might be better for the meta if they had to lock them in when they lock in the comp

Or let ladder swap covenants in 9.1

[clear pulsar]

I feel like it might be better if they let me swap without a weekly lockout

[junior plover]

Nerf MW???

Never ooms

How do you lose

[lime light]

also why playing ultimate form

if u dont have ozze

[junior plover]

Ultimate form op

[lime light]

dont think so its that good vs turbo

[clear pulsar]

Bro kubzy was playing that movespeed shit

The travel with bloop one

He was fucking ferrari

S2g

[plucky trout]

Do I bother ccing the mage before i heal

[clear pulsar]

Cassidy just wanna go fast

[plucky trout]

Or do i stand as far away as possible

[safe heart]

If they go ur dps , he should trinket first and save himself imi

[plucky trout]

I feel like the rogue always just instantly gets me when i cc the mage

[safe heart]

You have to save trinket for blind

[clear pulsar]

You need to avoid the mage cc, if he wants to cast on you, you control the positioning

I mean

It would help to know what you're playing with

Or like what you're doing at all

More specifically than just 'try to cc before I heal'

[lime light]

is it even worth pressing shred when u are moonfire speced

outside of zerker

[clear pulsar]

It's like people in resto 'how do I heal i can't do 15s'

[lime light]

dont think so?

[junior plover]

Guys how do u lose as mw

[clear pulsar]

You see this movespeed bro? @lime light

Cassidy is the new ferrari feral

Large large poggies

[junior plover]

How is he so fast

[obtuse ice]

yo guys what is the state of the game rn

[gusty phoenix]

hello @clear pulsar how do I not instantly lose every game vs rogue mage as ww rdruid

[junior plover]

Pretty good

But warrior is dumb

[heady vessel]

ret is dumb

[clear pulsar]

Some people whine all day, some people play the game. Same as ever.

[clear pulsar]

Actual speed demon

[junior plover]

Soulbind? Or what is this

[lime light]

???

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's necro

[lime light]

are u ok

u play this game

for a year

and stil ldont know

wha tis it

[junior plover]

Yes

[lime light]

[junior plover]

Why do u think I'm hardstuck

[lime light]

gems are big

so big

[obtuse ice]

I've seen necro feral was playable?

[lime light]

ye its ok

[gusty phoenix]

[lime light]

all 3 covenants are good

[clear pulsar]

Remi we miss you

[lime light]

at something

[clear pulsar]

Come back brother

[junior plover]

Necro in BM jungle is probably best feral comp rn

But outside of bm jungle it's meh

Maybe in kitty

[clear pulsar]

I have perfect advice for you my friend

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[obtuse ice]

I miss u too but I'm fucking lone in this game

[clear pulsar]

Necro feral spr brother @junior plover do it

[livid wasp]

necro got buffed or something?

havent played in a while

[obtuse ice]

[clear pulsar]

Oh no this guy

[junior plover]

In 2s?

[clear pulsar]

Aight boys catch ya later

[junior plover]

Or with hpal

[gusty phoenix]

[livid wasp]

I dont really care to complain anymore

[obtuse ice]

Zechey my dude

[livid wasp]

just been hearing necro is nice now and dont see buffs on wowhead so wondering what it means

[lime light]

i belive swarm dmg by a bit

[obtuse ice]

It's not like recent I believe

[lime light]

and % dmg

for dots

fleshcraft by a lot

[junior plover]

Swarm got buffed and fleshcraft

And BM hunter

[safe heart]

So outside of bm hunter jungle , we don't like necro ?

[junior plover]

I mean it's fine

But goal is to rot pretty much

BM is best hunter spec either way

[lime light]

but i still dont uderstand the argument

[junior plover]

So necro is the way to play jungle

[lime light]

that necro is better

with BM

[junior plover]

It's higher pressure

You oom

[lime light]

but if uare playing kyrian

u just doing big bites

in trap goes

meanwhile bm doing insane dps

[livid wasp]

I played with BM all season already rofl

[lime light]

all the time

[safe heart]

But I mean like
Comparing bm hunter/ kyrian feral
Vs necro feral

[junior plover]

Ye but u do but ff

[livid wasp]

nice

[junior plover]

It's like shadowplay

[lime light]

thats not a good argument for me

[safe heart]

I'm just skeptical about the benefit of being rot comp in jungle vs doing big go's

[junior plover]

With bm kyrian

U don't do enough to oom

So why even bring bm

You either go all in or go home

[lime light]

i would even try

kyrian on hunter

condult that lowers cd on it

and legit pve

[junior plover]

[safe heart]

Well see I don't have a tight enough group to cov swap for something that hyperspecific

[lime light]

and press on cd

i wonder how it would go

[safe heart]

Like I wouldn't wanna cov swap to optimize one very specific comp

[junior plover]

I mean it's like this

U play jungle

U go necro

But u can go Kyrian too

Kyrian is def better in mm or surv jungle

[livid wasp]

who cares you can play venthyr if you arent going for rank 1

[junior plover]

Bad take

[lime light]

venthyr can be decent too, cuz no one knows what it does

for druid

and u can do some one deagers

i belive

[junior plover]

If you're a 1800 player trying to push to 2100 or smth

Might as well take the best spec

Ofc u can get glad with venthyr

[safe heart]

That's exactly me lol

[junior plover]

But it's worse

[safe heart]

Hovering 1800, pushing 2400

[junior plover]

[livid wasp]

imma just stick to kyrian too lazy to change rofl

getting glad in season is enough for me

[junior plover]

Necro is about as good as Kyrian/nf

Don't sweat it too much

Wat happened to drainer

I was taking a bitw

[safe heart]

If kyrian plays better into more comps then I need to stay kyrian

[junior plover]

Bite

Od my food

And he's gone

Cassidy just killed hin

[safe heart]

I want to be able to play with whoever will play with me, ya feel

[junior plover]

Big FF

Yeah just stay kyrian

[lime light]

ask yourself, do u die a lot?

if yes

go necro

if not

play whatever

[junior plover]

Good take as well

[lime light]

are u playing with caster?

play NF

[junior plover]

Altho the movespeed

Makes me wanna go necro

[lime light]

are u playing with rot dmg caster? Go necro

[livid wasp]

NF still 100% go to for pve I guess?

[junior plover]

Bakka and tren put like 800k into the pet

[junior plover]

Ask pve but pretty sure yes

I think necro is pretty competitive in st now

[clear pulsar]

Not in practice

It's close in sims but

It's far easier to fuck up and lose a ton of value

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

In cat form on tr

[junior plover]

What the fuck

??????????

[clear pulsar]

This is with oath ofc just a meme

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

But still 166% movespeed

Without oath

[junior plover]

Ok but

How do you lose as turbo into jungle

[lime light]

U dont

Must be a tren

Let him Play dh pls

[junior plover]

Took 12 minutes to start this game

MOOOOVE

Me on screen

Waiting for them to start

Cassidy is so fast wtf

[clear pulsar]

He dashed

Idiot

Ofc he's fast

[junior plover]

Yes

But that's like

[clear pulsar]

Drainer still on venthyr

[junior plover]

Talented dash

Level of SPEEED

[clear pulsar]

I told you tho it's movespeed gem + movespeed soulbind

[junior plover]

I know

Stop bullying

?

[clear pulsar]

It's gigantic

No

Sorry

$nobully

[last owl]

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Night fae can go fast too tho

Even faster actually

[junior plover]

Go on

[clear pulsar]

Korayn's first thing

[junior plover]

Korayn

[clear pulsar]

I closed the game but just look

[junior plover]

He has like

Rested area ms?

[clear pulsar]

No

It's the first trait

10% dmg on targets above 75% hp

And 15% movespeed

When it happens

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

So basically perma in arena

Rested area ms is dreamweaver

[junior plover]

Yeah but imagine dropping niya

This is what I'm talking about

How do u lose as mw

[lime light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824215349100675095/825330302233870346/how_to_trick_a_monkey.png

[junior plover]

Not today monkey boy

[clear pulsar]

I fell for it

[lime light]

me too

https://tenor.com/view/50shades-sad-gif-13267761

[clear pulsar]

Triple venthyr turbo

Only way to win is

Triple venthyr jungle now

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

y the fuck would cass not play ooze

hes inting it for sure lol

[clear pulsar]

Ferrari feral

[lime light]

thats not good

i wanna log retail

and play

[stray sigil]

he def miss clicked

[lime light]

whats wrong with me

[stray sigil]

or something

went for the ursol fleshcraft thing and forgot to put it back on ooze

[clear pulsar]

Maybe true lmao

[junior plover]

EZ for feral

Jungle wins vs turbo?

How do u lose as feral tbh

[safe heart]

I never lose as feral that's fur sure

[lime light]

unbind shred build

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-guitar-mills-song-pepe-gif-18595045

[junior plover]

Shred is pretty bad ngl

[safe heart]

Buff shred

[junior plover]

Ok awc done

Next awc tomorrow 7 PM

[sharp dune]

best legendary for balance arena?

[cold escarp]

BOAT

dreambinder is ok too if u kyrian

but i prefer BOAT even on kyrian for the juicy crits

[clear pulsar]

Dreambinder is goated as both covenants

5 surges > 2 crit surges

[cold escarp]

i disagree

[clear pulsar]

5.7 surges > 3 crit surges

[cold escarp]

getting 5 surges off is almost impossible

[clear pulsar]

It's actually just math there is nothing to agree or disagree on

[cold escarp]

math doesnt align with gameplay

[clear pulsar]

Surges are instant, they can't be kicked

[sharp dune]

is life and death dogshit?

[cold escarp]

yes but enemy can activate defensives

and heal

ur comparing 5 surges which is 5 globals to 2 surges which is 2 globals

[clear pulsar]

Crowd control

[cold escarp]

u need to compare 2 surges + 3 other globals u do other spells too

[clear pulsar]

For boat you have to hardcast into eclipse at that exact moment tho

So 4 globals

Without boat you can enter eclipse 10 seconds earlier

And still be in it

[cold escarp]

u have to hardcast for eclipse either way

[clear pulsar]

Ok

Don't read then

[cold escarp]

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/pvp/druid/balance#legendaries

[clear pulsar]

:)

Good site thanks for sharing

[cold escarp]

yes?

its a good site

whats the problem

[clear pulsar]

I agree

[safe heart]

Why we talking about boomies in the feral pvp channel

Just press convoke out of stealth then run around oribos on ur glad mount

[cold escarp]

true

its my first season on druid and i got 2.4

convoke ez

[junior plover]

This tbh

[safe heart]

Boomie just pve'ing moving targets

[lime light]

i wonder

does it work, if u insta join arena

or is the movespeed removed after getting hit/getting combat

[safe heart]

I feel like all buffs get cleared when u go in ?

Unless this somehow isn't a buff maybe

[stray sigil]

gets cleared

baboon ruski tian

[cold escarp]

no one plays boomy in awc in 2 months already

what happened

[clear pulsar]

Not 2 months

More like 2 weeks

[cold escarp]

who played it 2 weeks ago?

i might've missed

[clear pulsar]

Rudarz

[cold escarp]

what team he plays on

[clear pulsar]

Uuuuh some new team idk the name

They lost 3-2 first series

Charlotte played fire boomie hpal one game too but they lost

[silver pecan]

What are best feral leggos for pvp?

[safe heart]

Symmetry generally
Natural orders will is good to have for playing into r/m

Drought if you're necrolord

[stray sigil]

[clear pulsar]

Fleshcraft isnt affected by damp

[cold escarp]

really

druid won yey

[clear pulsar]

Really

80% damp

This mf just gets

A full fucken 40% shield

[safe heart]

Do .. priest shields get affected by damp?

[cold escarp]

yes

[clear pulsar]

Yeah mage shields too

[cold escarp]

walirik first in dmg despite not playing last 3min

[safe heart]

W0w

[cold escarp]

and yeah ur right he has a huge shield wtf lol

[lime light]

purified resolve also isnt affected by damp

but not a single disc plays it anymore

[safe heart]

Is that the double cleanse

[lime light]

i belive rogues vial wasnt

maybe it is now

not sure tho

its when u dispel someone they get a shield

[safe heart]

Hmm I didn't even know that existed

Seems underwhelming tho ?

[stray sigil]

rog via always been affected by damp

[safe heart]

What about kyrian vial

[stray sigil]

it is aswell

[safe heart]

That's it I'm not healing after the first minute anymore

[junior plover]

I mean yeah boomie sux

Everyone knows that

Last boomie team was boomie warrior and they got reverse swept by unitas

Iirc

[cold escarp]

boomie warr sounds like shit tbh

[safe heart]

It can't be shit
Comp has a warrior in it

[junior plover]

Guys G2 won

[cold escarp]

yeah but i dont like to play without a caster

cuz boomy got no kick and warr got no range kick

[junior plover]

Double caster boomie is shit

No one plays that ever

[cold escarp]

so what do ppl play now

[junior plover]

It's always been WW/Arms

Maybe Spriest for double caster?

[cold escarp]

i like to play with spriest or mage

[junior plover]

Frost Boomie is alright

Frost Dk

[cold escarp]

oh yeah dk is fun too

[junior plover]

I guess boomie mage isn't that bad

But like

Just play godcomp

Why'd a mage queue with a boomie

Has access to 2 strongest comps in the game

Picks an owl

[cold escarp]

hey cmon :(

owls look funny ok

[junior plover]

Don't worry we cats are in the same boat

U think i don't wanna play FMP?

[cold escarp]

at least ferals have jungle

maybe its time to reroll feral

[junior plover]

its always a good time to reroll feral

[cold escarp]

nah i thought about it i hate melee

besides boomie isnt THAT bad

i think

i got 2.4 with it somehow just pressing convoke

[safe heart]

Idk if you're kidding but I feel like you're not

[junior plover]

[cold escarp]

🤔

you figure it out

[safe heart]

[cold escarp]

wait its over?

the AWC

[junior plover]

Yeah feral game was 7 pm

then its over

[ebon vortex]

i take back what i said earlier

2s is actually very fun still

[junior plover]

2s is gucci

[ebon vortex]

just had some insane games with my destro friend

resto feels so good rn in 2s lmfao

only problem is feral aff doesnt slap like it used to but man does the cc feel good

actually getting close to 1800 this season finally lmao

i can taste the 220 gear

[dusk escarp]

How many games played on average does it take for 1800? Obviously mileage varies with skill, but I’m at like 140 games @ 1500

[cold escarp]

some ppl never reach it

no such thing as average

if u have the skill u will get there if u dont u wont

[ebon vortex]

1800 is like top 10% in eu iirc

[arctic wind]

Can anyone with Dreamweaver actually tell if its better than boat?

[safe heart]

Over 2500

[arctic wind]

Personally I just dont see it really. with boat 2 surges can do 30k dmg. Why should you have to spam 2 of them first and then get 3 off aswell?

[cold escarp]

if u like BOAT play BOAT

i like BOAT so i play it

[arctic wind]

Nah Im just curious man

[cold escarp]

i find often enemies pop defensives or cc me after 2 surges so i dont like dreambinder

[arctic wind]

Im not swapping just tryying to learn

[cold escarp]

oh okay

[forest kite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/meo77k/let_me_tell_you_a_story/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[junior plover]

[honest mesa]

shitpost

tbc has no class balance

[junior plover]

Thats wotlk tho

[haughty compass]

I played the shit out of tbc, no interest this time around

Right after higher school. No lifed that game

[lime light]

its gonna be fun for a while

[solemn sierra]

People would pay to play perpetual wrath resets via parallel dimension differences

2 years. Then reset with minor changes to reps and thematic events and the nature of the lich kings demise

[junior plover]

no wings no nothin

[lime light]

ye

u linking the FV

look at this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780713698620473344/816357842067521556/unknown.png

[junior plover]

kekw

[lime light]

it was just TV

and that was just arrow turning backpedle ret

with 1.6k exp

i belive

prolly riding a glad mount

at this point

[cold escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612342804772946109/825012732314386482/unknown.png

[forest kite]

Hope it's a joke? When 90% of boomy above 2.4 are playing ele+boomy xD

[junior plover]

True im a poopoo head

forgot ele is a spec

[forest kite]

😂

[junior plover]

ele boomie is actually NASTY

[lime light]

boomkin ww also good

[forest kite]

To be honest it's probably the only top tier boomy comp

[lime light]

i belive boomkin dh can do good too

sp boomkin

but u wont see it in awc

but those are good ladder comps

[forest kite]

Fact is, boomy is fine with pretty everything, but just fine

[junior plover]

Yeah that is definitely how I feel about boomie

[forest kite]

Only ele+boomy is really strong for ladder

[junior plover]

doesnt really have a good comp, just ok with everything

except ele boom

[forest kite]

Yup

[junior plover]

i guess feral is the same but

at least we're cute

[forest kite]

You struggle too much VS some popular comp with any comp beside ele boomy

[junior plover]

AWC is still going???

these guys casting fucking wow for 6 hour straight

thats how it feels

[forest kite]

Boomy ret and boomy dk are probably the best for ladder after ele

From my experience

[junior plover]

Yo Unitas is the best RMP in the world

no kapp

i didnt expect that

how are they so good every series

They are insane why the fuck did they barely qualify lol

[forest kite]

Because rogue were crap before 9.5 hit

[junior plover]

they were nasty by the end of the cup already tho

on 9.0.0

but yeah I guess not this nasty

[lime light]

thats sooo not true

ofc sub was crap if u faced

arms

or plate in general

sub was soo good if u faced anything else

[junior plover]

I mean they farmed Method

Warr Mage

[lime light]

just rogue players were crying all the time

[junior plover]

too

RMP is fun to watch so i dont mind but nerf rogue on ladder

thanks

Unholy dk

[violet pivot]

Hey my friend is a boomy and I was thinking of rolling either sub rogue or ele for 2s... anyone have some strong opinions?

[lime light]

unh dk

is soo good, actually soo good

if u face double caster team

otherwise

[junior plover]

If you wanna play exclusively 2s

[lime light]

free kill for any physical team

[junior plover]

Rogue probably better by a little bit

ele by far better partner for 3s

for boomie

boomie rogue unplayable in 3s

[violet pivot]

i have an hpal for 3s

[forest kite]

2s I would say ret/sp/rogue with boomy

[junior plover]

ye SP/Boomy is nasty in 2s

But yeah if you wanna try any 3s at all

just make him play ele

ele boomie is the best boomer 3s spec

and its definitely playable in 2s

lightning lasso + silence goes

[violet pivot]

that sounds pretty dirt

[forest kite]

In 2s it's a bit crap

And forget boomy + healer it don't work anymore

In 2s

[violet pivot]

I had been doing hpal boom and that is just a struggle

not bad... has some fun stuff

[forest kite]

It was strong 2 month ago

Not anymore xD

I was able to boost crap healer to 2.1 without any issue, now I struggle to even go 1.8

With good one

Mostly because many rdruid around, war are now all ventyr ( they were kyrian before) beast hunt every where, rogue too strong also.

[lime light]

sounds about right

[forest kite]

BTW it's a bit the same as feral? It struggle with healer in 2s no?

[violet pivot]

I appreciate the insight

[lime light]

iam sure its good with necro build

[forest kite]

2s is crap just get ele for 3s xD

[lime light]

how much mana

the hymn's recover

for hpriest

[violet pivot]

we don't have a steady 3rd.. i guess we could pug it

[junior plover]

barely anything

that unholy pressure tho

[junior plover]

No, feral hpriest is amazing in 2s

best comp

[lime light]

12% of missing mana

so ye

not so great

[junior plover]

The unholy pick was huge brain

[lime light]

most of the assa dmg is nature, so unh kinda good

vs it

[forest kite]

Strange, feel like they can't do shit when I 2s on my warrior alt with rsham or rdruid

[junior plover]

nah its just the consistent pressure on the mage

hpriest cant heal that

they go monk anyway

so defensively it doesnt matter

what dk it is

[junior plover]

Yeah

cuz its warrior

[forest kite]

Feral holy have a good match up vs beast holy or rdruid?

[junior plover]

Indeed cant do shit to a warrior

wdym by beast

bm?

[forest kite]

Yeah but 2s right now is mostly warrior rdruid / bm holy or rdruid and mage rogue 90% of the time

[junior plover]

Yeah but feral/heal is the best matchup in the game vs rogue/mage

its unlosable

so u farm them

take the L from warriors

[forest kite]

Having bad match up against two of these comp = crap

[junior plover]

have mostly winning matchups otherwise

[forest kite]

Boomy healer can't lose mage rogue too, still crap 😂

[junior plover]

Feral Heal wins vs any dobule dps and any rogue or mage comp

DK is free

WW/DH is a good matchup

Ret is about even

[forest kite]

Yeah but you don't meet that at high cr

[junior plover]

True

I mean

[forest kite]

It's bm heal, warrior heal 80% of the time

[junior plover]

BM heal is about even if youre kyrian

[forest kite]

Bad match-up against them, you struggle

[junior plover]

NF not really

Overall yeah its rough

Feral is great for hitting 2.1k

theres barely any warriors 1.9 - 2.1k

they all sit 2.2k+

[forest kite]

That why boomy heal don't work mostly, horrible match up vs these two comp, it's totally fine against the rest

[edgy shale]

that has not really been my experience lol

i run into plenty of wars in that bracket

[junior plover]

Hmm

[forest kite]

Same

[junior plover]

Last 80 games I played in that bracket was 4 warriors

[edgy shale]

[forest kite]

Bm and war are everywhere at any cr xD

[junior plover]

unitas ded

[lime light]

i mean

[junior plover]

I think BM should be winnable for feral

i probably just suck

[lime light]

thats how avarage game should look like

healers oom at 3-4min

into a game

any hunter spec

is bad for feral in 2s

maybe mm isnt as bad as other 2

[junior plover]

idk man

[lime light]

but u should never win vs survi

vs bm its rough, vs mm should be easy

[junior plover]

survi always felt fair to me

its one of those comps where I feel like the better player wins

every time

[lime light]

so u never faced decent survi

[junior plover]

might be

[forest kite]

I don't even know what beat bm rdruid right now

[junior plover]

nothing probably

[lime light]

bm venthyr is like venthyr warrior

[junior plover]

DK Rsham maybe

[lime light]

but with 40 yards range

no

u die as dk

to bm

nothing u can do

[junior plover]

idk then

[forest kite]

When I play war rdruid, I feel like I can't lose vs anything but bm rdruid 😂

[lime light]

idk

kinda weird pick

but maybe sp

rdru

[junior plover]

not weird

[lime light]

u can dot 4 targets

[junior plover]

rdru sp is great

[lime light]

how can u possible die

[forest kite]

Sp healer

Is really brain dead strong

[junior plover]

depends really

[lime light]

ye, but once u face codmen arms

i dont think so

[junior plover]

ye

[lime light]

your chance is high

😄

[forest kite]

Sp + night fae rsham is actually nuts

[junior plover]

spriest is unplayable in 2s cuz arms

but

otherwise its pretty nice

[forest kite]

You kill arm

As sp/rsham

[junior plover]

no

u get kicked on shadow

and die insta

[lime light]

also

maybe affi rdru

[forest kite]

Nah xD

[junior plover]

I mean stormbolt + kick

is your healer's trinket

every time

second kick on shadow spriest dies

[forest kite]

To be honest I lose many game vs sp/healer, if you don't win really quick, you die 100% on a stun/mindgame ( or your healer die)

You can't even go out of Def stance,' without trinket it's a 100% death

[junior plover]

hmmmmmmmmm

[lime light]

i mean first of all

u shouldnt lose as arms

to any comp

[junior plover]

HOW DO YOU LOOOSE

[lime light]

ye

basiclly

how can u die with perma deff stance and ignore pain all the time

[forest kite]

You can, right now only war rdruid are really strong

[lime light]

u either play banner and fuck their chain

or play overwatch

and reflect lego

[cold escarp]

i play with a holy priest on 2.4 and we farm warriors (80%+ winrate)

[forest kite]

War pal for exemple is trash

[junior plover]

[cold escarp]

boomy holy priest farming warriors no joke

[forest kite]

You farm baboon

[cold escarp]

they cant go on me cause priest spam smite which means spam stuns

[junior plover]

HOW DO THEY LOOOOSE

[cold escarp]

and if they go on priest i free cast

[forest kite]

You should win hpal war

[cold escarp]

clone healer stun dps and convoke oneshot the warr

[forest kite]

But absolutely not rdruid or rsham war

[cold escarp]

we farm rdruids hard too cause thorns

[junior plover]

I mean

[forest kite]

Ah right you play vs ppl who die vs convoke xD

[junior plover]

?????????????

theres people at 3k+

playing convoke

[cold escarp]

rsham is harder but still doable

[forest kite]

Yeah, but in 2s

You keep everything for it?

[cold escarp]

convoke is actually better in 2s than its in 3s

cause less kicks and less target spread

[junior plover]

I mean you keep everything for it

you die to mindgames?

what kind of take is that

[forest kite]

You don't, or like I said, baboon

[junior plover]

Bruh

[forest kite]

3k convoje

[cold escarp]

if it works it works

[forest kite]

Play with ele hpal, you full cast it no matter what

[junior plover]

highest rated boomie in 2s

is NF

what are you smoking

3 highest boomies in 2s actually

are NF

[cold escarp]

yeah in 2s getting off a convoke is WAY easier

[forest kite]

In 2s, it work with rogue, was working so well with hpal and prot also

[cold escarp]

most healers dont have kick

so u just deal with 1 kick

[forest kite]

But losing as war rdruid to nf bommy hpriest, I would kill mysslf

And btw

Stop talking about ladder, first mostly don't even q since 3 month

[junior plover]

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/leaderboards/filter/results?class=druid&spec=balance&leaderboard=2v2&region=eu

like 90% of top boomies

are nf

stop

[forest kite]

You don't have 2.4+ cr team anymore in 2s, it would take a year spamming to get 500 +1 to reach the top in 2s

[cold escarp]

here reflex from my last session

fire holypri is hard af

[forest kite]

Yeah because nf is better in 2s, I never said it was bad

[junior plover]

Also not true

Tony went from 2.4k to 2.9k

in the last 2 weeks

in 2s

[forest kite]

It is in eu at least

[junior plover]

EU

tony is EU

[forest kite]

I spam 2s at 2.6 mmr, can't get any team above 2.3 xD

[lime light]

they fixed 2s mmr

a while ago

whats your armory kawkaw

[junior plover]

I mean theres very few teams above 2.5k mmr

[forest kite]

Yeah they don't q

[junior plover]

so the top players are all 65% wr+

Rogue bad btw

[cold escarp]

let me guess he plays rmp

[junior plover]

2s

[forest kite]

He don't play since kyrian get destroyed

[cold escarp]

so rm

[forest kite]

Your are really saying full of crap xD

[cold escarp]

what

[junior plover]

Man you were saying people who die to convoke in 2s are trash

Yet 90% of top boomies in 2s

play convoke

something is not clicking here

and its not what I'm saying

[lime light]

kawkaw link armory

[forest kite]

90% of top boomy was playing hpal boomy or prot boomy morron

And don't q since 3 month

[junior plover]

Yes I'm sure 90% of ladder is sitting 2s rating

[forest kite]

Yes

[junior plover]

[cold escarp]

with rating change all the ppl who sit got left behind

cause rating inflated now

[forest kite]

Cryonix play with hpriest

[cold escarp]

yes

[forest kite]

It's way more difficult to place convoke

And gg to him if it work

[cold escarp]

yes its difficult but doable with chastise stun on dps and fear/clone on healer

we made it work to 2.4 and close to 2.5 mmr rn

[junior plover]

Yes but acting as if you can just hold trinket forever until convoke

you get chastise stuned into incarn + mindgames

you fucking trinket that shit

or you die

[forest kite]

But if top tier comp are losing vs convoke, they are doing a mistake somewhere

[cold escarp]

many games we dont even win with convoke

boomie is not just convoke man

[junior plover]

No, sometimes you just have to trinket something that isnt convoke

just like vs kyrian boomie

[forest kite]

Yeah you win from the burst after convoke

[cold escarp]

incarn into 4 surges + 10k mind games

[forest kite]

Bo

[junior plover]

sometimes you have to trinket a non kyrian go

[forest kite]

No, you force CD with convoke

You kill after that

[cold escarp]

what if i told u

i won some games by using convoke as a heal

when my healer was oom

[junior plover]

[cold escarp]

it tops off in hard dampen im not kidding

just go human form behind pillar

[forest kite]

Myself I haven't tried with hpriest, I should try but probably as kyrian

[cold escarp]

try it

holy priests pump right now

10k mind games crits are not uncommon

[forest kite]

The match up vs bm is probably nice

[cold escarp]

it was actaully really hard for us until we figured to just go priest

killing the hunter is hopeless

with 15 sec cd on feign death

[forest kite]

Still, I would like to see ur match up vs rdruid + x :D

It's the biggest issue to boomy heal right now for me at least

When I'm trying to help ppl

[cold escarp]

if he play with warr its easy because warr can never reach me and if he go priest i thorns him up

eventually damp and u just outdmg

well i dont play with a rando i play with a friend on voice so its a bit different

[forest kite]

Yeah, but it's was +/- the strat with any healer, kite, force the war to focus healer, win the dps race to dampening, I just feel like now the new war meta ( exploiter + crit gear) are winning that race

[junior plover]

I'm honestly very surprised to hear anyone but DK is finding success into arms in 2s

But if it was gonna be anyone I guess boomie makes sense

[lime light]

ok the problem with dk vs warrior is

u need to kite whole game

and u cant let the warrior touch u

even for a sec

and same in damp

u just run

put chains and thats it

one mistake in damp

and u are death

no recover

[junior plover]

i know but DK has like a massively positive winrate into warr

[cold escarp]

protip for boomie vs warriors if hes on u typhoon + wild charge same time puts you out of condemn range

[lime light]

it became unplayable as dk vs arms

[junior plover]

on luduslabs at least

[lime light]

once they made no damp

in 2s

[forest kite]

my point is , if you win warrior + Rshaman or druid ( or even Hpriest ) as boomy/healer , you are playing better than them

you outskill them

[junior plover]

Nah labs made a post like

3 weeks back

[forest kite]

they shouldn't lose :>

[lime light]

havent played, after they changed it back

[junior plover]

about DK Hpal

farming warriors in 2s

ah

after no damp

[cold escarp]

kawkaw what u say makes sense i have a warr alt and i farm boomies on it

only 2k cr tho

[lime light]

should be not bad, also warriors as venthyr now

so shell is good

[cold escarp]

but somehow on my boomie i never lose to warrs idk

[forest kite]

i'm not surprised , like i said , you outskill them

they shouldn't lose 😄

[foggy ravine]

As an rdruid I honestly feel relived to play against warriors in 2s

[forest kite]

i don't 2s seriously , i don't since maybe Cata as Feral priest , or with my war with Rdruid right now , with the boomy i just help ppl ( for free ! ) to get 1.6/1.8/2.1 so they are mostly crap and i know when i win vs War+rsham/rdruid it's because i'm better

[foggy ravine]

Ya just play it casually with the homies

[forest kite]

but it's nice to see boomy/hpriest farm warrior at 2.4+ 😄

[foggy ravine]

Ya that’s solid

[forest kite]

@junior plover Dk is strong vs War+heal , but not really vs Rdruid+War

[junior plover]

Yeah I think it was specifically an answer into hpal arms

idk about rdru

[forest kite]

hpal or Rsham yeah

you can cleave and outrace them

but not vs Rdruid

[lime light]

no thats wrong

u legit win, by not letting warrior touch u

and with hpal

[foggy ravine]

Rdruid is awesome into just about any melee in 2s

[lime light]

they have double freedom

[forest kite]

and Rdruid DK + Rdruid War , you end up having a War hitting a DK , a DK hitting a war , the war win the race 😄

if the DK can't cleave , the war win , if the DK can cleave , the DK win

[junior plover]

@lime light i dont know why

but

indeed no rdru on that list

[lime light]

this shit site

is fucked

and data there

can kiss my ass

[junior plover]

maybe

but 320 games

is plenty

2100+

[foggy ravine]

Idk I don’t think dks are that bad

[junior plover]

🤡

[forest kite]

Kiosk is right here , War Pal vs Dk Pal for exemple ,DK will have better uptime / better presure on the pal than the war , the war have to go on the DK , The dk cleave , win the race

[junior plover]

usually i agree theres not enough data on ludus

but 320? idk

[forest kite]

but DK on druid = Crap uptime , he is forced to go on the war , the war win .

simple 😄

@lime light give me yours , i never match on tinder first. 🤣

[edgy shale]

wait, i come back like 20 min later and u guys are still fighting

tf how

[junior plover]

feels bad man

warrior hpal gatekeeping me

from 2.6

2.7 even

[edgy shale]

why do u lose against lock so much

[junior plover]

idk

locks are good

[edgy shale]

they def don't belong in the same category as the other 4

other 3

i mean

[junior plover]

just a very difficult matchup for hpriest feral

[edgy shale]

weut is

aff, rdruid?

[forest kite]

replace ur hpriest with a ret .

[junior plover]

yeah mostly rdru

[forest kite]

and get some fun !

[edgy shale]

that would prob make some other matchups harder

rogue mage prob for one

[junior plover]

nah weve been playing together for like 2k games now

but affl in general with any healer is rough

hpriest is easiest

[forest kite]

yeah and i'm married since 10 years , still I sent her to his mother

[foggy ravine]

I played against feral / affliction the other day

[forest kite]

to get a ret a home