and its not 20 min games like bfa
#pvp
tulip falcon
clear pulsar
I like the content and it's nice doing it on a new class for the first handful of times trying out each spec, different power setups, etc
junior plover
Well it's nearing on 12 min in some matchups
junior plover
But at least it's 20% dampen start
clear pulsar
But I've done the full campaign for 3 diff covenants on my main, 2 covenants on 2nd druid, and 1.5 on warrior alt
Reeeally cba with that anymore
arctic rivet
I'm glad getting renowns is easy
tulip falcon
10ish mins is fine
arctic rivet
I got from 1 to 29 renown in 2 days
junior plover
I wish I could do chromie to 60
arctic rivet
well mostly bec I'm an idiot and kept doing pvp instead of the campaign
junior plover
Theres so much Azeroth questing that I have never done
Or in a good while
Threads is good but I remember the side quests more than the story quests now
Cuz i did the story once and side quests in every zone like 5 times
Renown before 9.0.5 was cracked
I got 1 renown from arena in
150+ games
And my partner had similar results
clear pulsar
I legit got renown every single dungeon and every calling this week until renown 35 on necro
junior plover
Yeah it's crazy good now
When i swapped to Kyrian i did 4 hc dungs
No renown
Ended up just doing lfr and callings
tulip falcon
im also bored af of playing horde rn as well
junior plover
Fuck that reminds me
tulip falcon
some reason faction changing when im bored always makes me motivated
junior plover
some reason faction changing when im bored always makes me motivated
That's sort of why I'm going NF
Need a breath of fresh air
Whatever it is
Also looking back at how i played NF
I can't believe I hit 2.2k with it
tulip falcon
what did you do
junior plover
Didn't really ever kill without convoke
Every game was waiting for opponent to fuck up and winning on Convoke
tulip falcon
tbh even though i play convoke i dont feel like its the only way i can kill shit
at least when i played last
junior plover
I'm so much better at the game now that I went Kyrian but I'm still hardstuck so who knows
Yeah it's not
As Kyrian i have so much kill pressure with just ff tf
But I didn't realize that
tulip falcon
i got random ass kills with apex procs
junior plover
I was cracked
And I feel like I hit a wall as Kyrian so maybe if i bounce back to convoke i learn something too
Idk
Can't hit glad in 1 season
turbid ravine
Is Lone Empowerment on GCD?
mystic sparrow
Is Lone Empowerment on GCD?
Nope, Lone Empowerment + Primary Stat Trinket + Incarn are all off gcd, iirc.
junior plover
Correct
Virtually all druid cooldowns are
All of the feral ones are anyway
TF is even -1 gcd
if used in caster
random heath
Is anyone else having issues in bgs with prowl randomly dropping without being hit by anything or doing anything to drop it?
junior plover
I might be going crazy but that happens to me in arena sometimes
I think vs priest specifically
and they dont nova
or sear
random heath
its been happening the last few days
junior plover
im just suddenly out of stealth
random heath
like positioning to convoke or back cap a flag and it just suddenly drops im seen and get zerged
nothing showing in my details etc to explain being dropped
sullen cloud
That's kind of crazy to think about
I remember swapping professions and shit too just to get that special gem or enchant
chrome panther
spending 10s of thousands of gold for JC to get barely 1%
also rdruids being undisputed gods of arena
good times.
radiant forge
they fit a different niche
arctic rivet
damnit
I really wanna buy the wep rn
but tomorrow is vault day.....
should I wait or say fuck it buy the wep?
fallen jay
viscid remnant
No reason to not wait
junior plover
still can't keep up against double dps with 1 awful external defensive
no
rdruid is literaly dominating AWC meta
right now
awc is not ladder but if you and your team are good enough rdruid is busted in 3s
just play a caster cleave and you destroy melee
junior plover
ye idk about the prowl shit
at least i know im not going crazy
my priest must not be thinking of me highly for how many times i lost stealth before opener
yeah same
wellp
junior plover
rworded
junior plover
yeah im assuming maybe its a random auto???
but
you cant auto in stealth unless u right click
so idk
viscid remnant
I wouldnt say literally dominating awc thats a bit of a stretch
Only a few teams played it successfully
junior plover
like 3rd of the teams played rdruid
maybe not dominating
but its as popular as priest
viscid remnant
Most still played hpal
viscid remnant
Yeah its good but not dominating
Not everyone can play it
Its not like hpal you have to think
junior plover
Yeah definitely
very high skill cap
but it slaps with the right players and the right comp
viscid remnant
Yeah
junior plover
yeah im contemplating it
viscid remnant
Paying for pixels lolmao
safe heart
its a wow classic thing you wouldnt get it
empty cypress
Does balance stack mastery in PvP as well?
junior plover
its a wow classic thing you wouldnt get it
junior plover
Well its not like you can get much more haste than mastery with the current gearing system
you end up with only slightly more 2nd stat than 3rd stat
Yep
junior plover
https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingChillyZebraRickroll-RsadxlgCjLPOtenN
great video
rogues have a talent that stacks up to 10 for each second theyre in stealth near a target
increases shadowstrike (?) damage
im assuming both rogues crit for 20k+
because if you watch his VOD, the damage was so fast it didnt even log
so details was confused too
blissful belfry
yeah i know
i was lookin at deatils, he'S dead with 20k on meter
then you let it roll a bit and dmg shows up
junior plover
rogue unnerfed when?
blissful belfry
in the clip we see a 24k crit pop up, so i guess its something along the lines of a double 24k crit open
still feels weird
clear pulsar
It's probably just the first hit from stealth not showing
blissful belfry
Now, the big enigma, what is the counter play
blissful belfry
yeah thats what i see, but you also see 44k being added overall like 0,5s later, maybe just details delay
clear pulsar
But evis also opens
No the dmg after is on cervantes
It's just details/combat log being buggy with first hit out of stealth
You see both rogues open
But only fnatic gets dmg added on details
empty cypress
Thanks @vestal citrus , I've assembled a guardian set with lots of haste/vers ending up at 497 haste / 329 mastery / 1005 versatility. Was wondering if it's bad stat distribution or not since I'm not much of a boomie, or pvper.
mystic sparrow
RBG folks, I'll have 3180 soul ash tomorrow (😖). Saturday, I switched from Night Fae to Kyrian (28 renown so far). What would you craft next, NoW/Sleeper or Timeworn Dreambinder? I already have 235 BoAT. What do you advise for pushing from 1800 to 2100?
junior plover
Does anyone have a list of what items u get from covenant campaign
so i dont waste honor
clear pulsar
All the armor slots
clear pulsar
You get cloak too I think
junior plover
damn
clear pulsar
There's a vendor near the opening that goes out to the mission table area with all the items
You can see which ones have what stats etc
junior plover
Smart
edgy shale
i hit 2100 with primordial pulsar. 2100 isn't good at all, but leggo literally doesn't matter ya wat glyph said
clear pulsar
WHAT???
edgy shale
wat
clear pulsar
I woulda never guesse ipod is a boomie abuser
mystic sparrow
Thanks to all that answer, I'm LFG'ing my way to 2100 in RBGs. I'm just trying to be efficient. I realize skill >>> gear but I guess I was more curious if a 220 FC was more in demand than a 220 Kyrian boomie.
junior plover
You can stack mastery for both
Well maybe not kyrian
but you probably can in rbg
surely haste is so much worse in rbg than arena right
tulip falcon
yea if you only do one you sorta gimp yourself
junior plover
since you dont rely on tight setups so much
tulip falcon
a lot of lower pug boomies never clone though
because if they lose they'll get blamed for doing low damage
"y u do half the dmg of enemy boomkin pressing nothing but starfall!!"
if only
edgy shale
getting invites for RBGs as boomy is just like oh ur boomy insta invited. at least earlier in the season
everyone wanted to do 20 boomy groups
dry star
Can you dispel the dot that DH the hunt leaves behind?
green valve
Cyka blyat comrade
indigo osprey
What’re you guardian druids putting in sleeper? Mast/verse or haste/verse?
random light
Only time I use starfall is 3s damb game where every damage matters, otherwise I feel like starsurge single dmg is just too impactful to get things going / force cds.
forest kite
btw , 5% movespeed gems work ? and the Movespeed per gem slot
haven't tried the second one , but the first one seem to just don't do shit 😄
clear pulsar
5% ms gem is from bfa right?
forest kite
yeah
stray sigil
they do work
forest kite
some ppl use it , but for me , it's doing shit
stray sigil
but idk why you would use those
forest kite
i mean at least the 5% one
clear pulsar
They're using it on the awc
The 13 speed per gem at least
Ticki was using it, kubzy was using it
forest kite
i also see ppl using just the 13 speed per gem ( haven't tried this one )
but the 5% seem to do shit
i feel the 3% difference from enchant , not the 5% xD
lime light
Lol
clear pulsar
People base sitting as guardian but don't have sleeper
Loses base 1v1 to rogue without saying ANYTHING
Oce horde is something else bro
stray sigil
why would u play with ppl from down under
clear pulsar
I too am from down undedr
gloomy token
Under the minimum sanity requirement maybe
haughty compass
More practice on frenzyband / Venthyr feral.
Meme’in
analog bison
forest kite
Crap color on the new mount
safe heart
im playing my disc priest alt and ngl, im starting to get really fed up with the boomie/sub rogue comp lol
its like you try to trinket literally any of it and then ur just fucked
honest mesa
junior plover
Just play with a feral
HOW DO YOU LOSE
As feral disc into that
Or arms i guess
safe heart
were doing disc/fdk
junior plover
were doing disc/fdk
Idk fdk sounds good into it but who knows
Also I haven't played vs boomie rogue since venthyr rogue became a thing
It's probably broken now
safe heart
welll hes a bit undergeared but its just like the rogue cc's us and then one or the other basically dies to a full front convoke
heady vessel
if you dont find the rogue in stealth, you're kinda done for
he dueled our healer in this too, so wasn't really easy to peel either
stiff nacelle
Heard that guy was using an exploit or sth to do with shadowy duel
junior plover
The exploit is that the dagger in the dark talent exists
Notice how he's mad that his enh wouldn't take criticism
Then when he got criticized he goes "fuck you you're hardstuck don't tell me what to do"
And decides to post on reddit as if he has moral high ground
And ofc reddit eats it up
viscid remnant
isnt holy/feral better than disc/feral
junior plover
It is
viscid remnant
i guess holy just a better 2s spec
marsh pollen
Holy just seems to be the meta now for priest
viscid remnant
except for rmp and jungle i guess
ebon vortex
last time we played against a dagger rouge we broke him out of stealth early, he then spent the whole game trying to restealth
managed to get a restealth off and was waiting for dagger stacks to tick up to 10 again
while that was happening we murdered his healer
rogue did litterally nothing lmfao
once you know what to do about it it is a little easier to expect and potentially counter
most cases you can just mount up and run away
lyric lichen
sorry new to druid pvp, does floral recycling still works in combination with the verdant infusion legendary?
clear pulsar
Yes
I don't recommend
Better to take a different potency
NS cd reduction
But it works the same way, floral recycling
lyric lichen
i read some guides which recommended ns and the sworm one, but when i check high rated players they use floral instead of ns, just wondering why
limber plover
hey any rec talent for 3v3/2v2 as resto druid with feral aff?
white spruce
limber plover
thanks!
arctic rivet
THANK GOD I WAITED
I JUST GOT THE 2H WEAPON STAFF FOR BALANCE DRUIDS FROM THE VAULT!!!
honest widget
GZ
arctic rivet
I WAS ABOUT TO BUY YESTERDAY BUT I TOLD MYSELF NO I MUST WAIT AND I GOT IT
honest widget
Ferals better
arctic rivet
this game really wants me to stay away from DK
the Vault gave my Pally both Hpal and Ret weapons from Vault
and now my fucking Druid gets it first Vault
my DK never got the weapon from the vault he had to buy it manually
priorities for conq gear again?
Ik its wep first but got it in vault so....
which armor types should I start getting first? should I start off with rings/necklaces or just go with Chest, Helmet etc...?
tall knoll
Probably cheap slots so you can get lucky in the vault with expensive ones. Or slots where only one option is good. Like hast vs crit
arctic rivet
I mean...
tall knoll
The most value are probably neck\ring because of stats i guess
tall knoll
But neck you can get mastery or haste in vault and both is fine. Higher chance to get 2\3 than 1\2 kinda thing
tall knoll
Hands are only mastery as well i think
arctic rivet
Just happy I got wep on vault and didn’t need to buy
tall knoll
There are some other slots
arctic rivet
No hands is haste
I checked everything except shoulders has haste
Gonna max out haste for cyclone rage inducing spam as well as faster attacks in general lol
Haste be BIS for balance druids
tall knoll
Im also playing balance yeah
But i mixed a few mastery pieces in for bigger damage. Personal preference really
arctic rivet
Ah
I’ll go massive haste
Lots of cyclones, roots, stuns etc
Outside of my convoke I’d CC the fuck out of enemies
Bec really my main damage is my convoke since I built my boomy NF with BOAT lego
junior plover
once you know what to do about it it is a little easier to expect and potentiall...
Doesn't help if you literally die in sap
It's not good in 3s
But it's impossible to win against for a lot of comps in 2s if they play it correctly
For example monk+anything
Force monk trinket with blind on healer + smokebomb
Then you win with shadowy guaranteed
Literally nothing the monk can do at that point
tall knoll
Same thing with mage rogue though. If they play optimally they should almost always win. But usually they dont
junior plover
Yeah I'm talking about rogue in general because they're just absurd since they went venthyr
It extends into rogue mage
Thing is you always have to trinket opener vs rogue mage unless they fuck up majorly
At which point whoever trinketed is dead to shadowy
Literally how the fuck do you lose as rogue in 2s lol
clear pulsar
Not if you're a big feral with barkskin leggo
Give em opener in bear form everytime
Never die
junior plover
Yeah I think I need barkskin lego but
Db into ring of frost
So my priest has to trinket
And then he's dead to shadowy
So idk
And if I trinket the ring
Peel him
And rogue catches me out of bear for 0.1s
Believe it or not, shadowy
I think it's mostly a priest issue tho
Shamans have spirit link
Palas can heal through shadowy and have bop
forest kite
Once you have no trink, u're dead yeah
I had like close to 100 % win rate vs rmp/rm or anything else with rogue
clear pulsar
Before venthyr buff?
forest kite
Now it's more 0% since the patch xD
forest kite
You win if they fail.
clear pulsar
While also giving them a better spell than door of shadows
Rogue with fleshcraft / ooz / ultimate form big toxic
Bone spike thing is not as much damage as flag but it's pretty decent too
forest kite
Before you had to deal with the mage
Now, even à rogue alone, even if u're at 100% life, in bear form ( or Def stance as warrior) once u trinket, you lose. xD
A friend ( 195 ilvl rdruid) did 2.3 in 2s on his crap alt, 80% winrate with a rogue, you know something goes wrong lol
clear pulsar
Yeah nerf chilling streak
forest kite
Nerf crit damage, I keep to repeat that since the start, and buff sbstained damage from pretty all class
tall knoll
I just hate (sub) rogue playstyle in general...
forest kite
everything one shot if you get these lucky crit . Boomy kyrian with dreambinder is the same , if you have some luck , and get crit on these two last buffed surge , you one shot
if warrior crit on overbuffed MS , one shot
etc etc
that why mage is broken , they can control their crit , same with rogue since the patch 😄
tall knoll
100%crit for 4 sec after stealth is their leggo right? So not even needed to be lucky.
ruby nebula
yeah it is
tall knoll
And it promotes their burst, run, restealth playstyle even more
forest kite
yeah since the beginning they don't nerf the right thing about rogue
their fucking leg
ruby nebula
its really good with the conduit that gives you shield on stealth
junior plover
Now it's more 0% since the patch xD
Yep
ruby nebula
always could counter rogue with dots
junior plover
Same experience
ruby nebula
now that shield upon stealth.. lol
junior plover
I would never lose to a rogue before
clear pulsar
All the giga bursty specs have crit-based cds
junior plover
Now I never win
ruby nebula
in 2v2 rogue/any dps is very scripted
clear pulsar
Combustion, Wings/Seraphim, Rogue leggo, BOAT Convokes, Ele guaranteed crits on lava burst, etc etc
forest kite
i was playing ret/boomy in 2S , i was close to 100% win vs rogue +X even at high rating , now it's 0% , even vs crap dickhead at 1400 CR when i try to help low boy . 😄
ruby nebula
just get trinkets and cds and then run and hide till yours are up and take them into a duel annd gg
tall knoll
Yeah but boat got nerfed like 8 timea already. Yet 100%crit from stealth is fine.
clear pulsar
Boat got nerfed once, rogue got nerfed once
forest kite
yeah fact is : Crit is oneshoting ppl , not class
clear pulsar
ruby nebula
the crit legendary would be fine if they couldnt restealth so easy because of the shield conduit
it promotes a playstyle where they are constantly running and restealthing
tall knoll
Wasnt the beta boat like 50% crit from each eclipse without diminishing return. Imagine
forest kite
when you play a comp like Ele/Boomy/healer
you just survive
waiting for crit and win
ruby nebula
cant even make them burn cloak to take off dots like they used to have to do, now they just cloak your burst
forest kite
you crit before oom / 100% death setup , you win , you don't crit ? you lose
interesting game .
tall knoll
Also is it just me or is that stealth detect stone that spawns after some time absolutely useless?
tranquil silo
You know the name of the website that track win rate for each comp?
clear pulsar
It's pretty trash yeah @tall knoll
forest kite
there is no website like that , it's mostly full of crap xD
ruby nebula
the stealth detect spawn isnt very great becaue they can shadowstep sap you before you can do much
clear pulsar
And target them thru arena frames or keybind or whatever
ruby nebula
or they can just hide behind something, the duration of that stone isnt long
tall knoll
Then im wailing my camera around and still dont see anything. I see them on gladius. But thats about it
tall knoll
Good to know
ruby nebula
tall knoll
Might be possible i turned that off yeah... thanks :)
ruby nebula
I dont think it comes on by default
ruby nebula
can you check that by CR to see win rate above X cr
forest kite
nah , full of crap mostlyu
tranquil silo
k thanks
arctic rivet
man balance is fun af
forest kite
since team don't exist anymore
you can't track thing like " that comp fuck that comp " you just can do it yourself
play a comp for like 600 games with Reflex add-on or something , and ofc you will have your own data about your comp , but obvious shit u already know your good & bad match up
tranquil silo
I struggle against arms-hpal but i think that everyone does
forest kite
with what comp ?
tranquil silo
resto-survival
forest kite
because Arm/Hpal is pretty crap these day ( compared to Druid/Rsham )
tranquil silo
i spend my life healing, we have no pressure
ruby nebula
rsham so good
tranquil silo
i root the war, cyclone... we can't get any pressure.
ruby nebula
wars have insane sustained and huge burst thanks to condemn
tranquil silo
We usually set up a cyclone after a trap but the warrior intervene every single trap
ruby nebula
bait freedoms, root and clone war often and have him go healer is your best bet more than likely
forest kite
now as beast , he reduce the uptime on him from the warrior by 70%
ruby nebula
if he is surv that is
forest kite
nah your hunt have to switch to BM that is .
tranquil silo
lol
forest kite
it's like a rogue complaining
losing comp as Outlaw
what do you want to say exept GO SUB !
Warrior + X = you will face that 50% of the time
forest kite
BM hunter counter warrior
don't watch top
most ppl in the top don't play since 3 month
xD
ruby nebula
but if you go top 25 like 70% are BM it looks like
forest kite
in the actual meta , probably close to 100% hunter are playing BM ( the active one )
tranquil silo
survival can work, he has a lot of great utilities like against rogue mage the combustion is just non existenttt
ruby nebula
a lot of them are running venthyr now it looks like
tranquil silo
and roots
forest kite
anti crit from bet , all hunt have it
Survival get just one thing
easy trap.
but BM/Rdruid don't even try to trap agaisnt warrior + Heal they don't need it xd
ruby nebula
they have a long root as well but with a druid youll be DRing each other
I think BM hunt also gets intimidation, just like SV hunt does, right?
forest kite
MM = Better burst
Beast = Better mobility / substained damage
SV = Better CC / Free trap
ruby nebula
I feel like the trap issue on the healer with warrior intervene could be solved by doing the trap when warr is rooted, or stunned by intimidation unless he is running the reflect lego
tranquil silo
yes but the paladin have lib
forest kite
told you , there is no answer
ruby nebula
I guess just see if he is willing to go BM
forest kite
i just did my 1600>2100 this week with my alt warrior in 2s
i think i've mostly Q vs hunter+Heal
i've +/- 0% winrate vs Beast/Rdruid
tranquil silo
he went bm but said there was not enough buttons for him to enjoy it :p
forest kite
a bit better when it's an priest ( you can tunnel him at least )
tranquil silo
but that suck man
forest kite
but close to 100% winrate vs survival
ruby nebula
warrs are just really strong right now with ignore pain, def stance, intervene reflects.. condemn with 15 yd charge pvp talent.. war banner and sharpen
lots of utility with strong damage
easier to deal with them in 3v3 tho
but I am only 1800
forest kite
it's just , survival is better right now with priest . you are looking for a CC loop and kill with priest assist + mindgame
( even if beast is also better than survival with a priest xD )
ruby nebula
I played against SV hunter/priest in 2s a few times and the cc is just insane
forest kite
but SV with druid , you miss that assist from priest
ruby nebula
setting up kills with chastise and mindgames with all the cc
forest kite
to get these kill on Warrior
you give them too much uptime on the hunter , they can apply too much pressure
it's even worst if the warrior is with Rsham or Rdruid , way more stronger than Hpal/warrior right now
Hpal / warrior is pretty crap these day
forest kite
biggest shit is the two lavaburst to be honest , it's juicy xD
ruby nebula
and great setup potential with skyfury + their dps
forest kite
these 10k+ burst on demand
- you have mana advantage
every single game
war/hpal is pretty crap anyway
you mostly lose every single Double viable dps , who know what they do
fickle junco
got hit by Final Verdict for 50k
foggy ravine
in a bg?
fickle junco
yeah.
mental scroll
lol...wut
junior plover
can you check that by CR to see win rate above X cr
1400, 1800, 2100 cutoff i believe
But yeah
But aside for arms hpal and rogue mage there isn't enough data to draw any solid conclusions
So don't get your hopes up
foggy ravine
You can also upload your own reflex data to see your history
clear pulsar
Yeah did a bunch of keys last week, definitely miss the Convoke on pride windows, especially as resto
Such big dam
junior plover
Im kinda salty keystone master is so easy this season
Everyone has the mount
I wanted to be a special boy
clear pulsar
Idk why you thought it would be hard I mean
There have definitely been easier seasons
arctic rivet
clear pulsar
But yeah timing 15s with 20+ deaths cuz bonobos cant use interrupt
Had some dps literally kick one thing the entire run
WW with less interrupts than a boomie
Etc
tranquil silo
we just lost a game against a warrior who trinket a root early in the game and the paladin bubble before getting any kind of ccc
i'm desperate lol
mental scroll
If you wanted KSM to be a source of ePeen inflation, you were setting yourself up for disappointment from the start.
viscid remnant
not ksm kms
twilit geyser
what's the best soulbind (and soulbind config) for NF balance druid? I can only find info for like kyrian and necro
green valve
Niya take double endurance
mental scroll
Personally, I prefer the herb pouch
green valve
Yea
mental scroll
but yeah
green valve
100% herb pouch
mental scroll
Across my NF alts, I collect it throughout the week and then sell on Tuesdays.
Typically nets 50k or so
twilit geyser
yeah, they go like right on the ah or if it's fish in the gbank
pure sinew
is kyrian ability now better than convoke in arenas (3s mostly)? just switched from kyrian feral to boomy and thinking to go back to NF
clear pulsar
Literally nothing changed about either covenant
pure sinew
i know, but how it feels atm for boomy players, which one's more potent in 3s?
because i didnt play boomkin too much
arctic rivet
I heard the Kyrian ability is better for 2s
Convoke is better for rbgs and 3s
But convoke you need to time it right and try not to get stunned or interrupted
Like Kyrian is a lot safer to play with however NF convoke is more of a high risk high reward play style
pure sinew
with kyrian it feels like you've got some nice sustained dmg, but you lack that oneshot effect that almost every class has now
arctic rivet
Yeah
I like convoke more that and I don’t want a 4th fucking character to be Kyrian
My pally, hunter and monk is already Kyrian
pure sinew
trust me, i know the struggle of trying to cast full convoke haha
arctic rivet
The only non-Kyrian is my DK
pure sinew
its pain in the ass with feral, thats why i went kyrian
but i was thinking, since boomy is ranged maybe it's easier to get it through
thats why i'm thinking to go back, but on the other side i see almost all top boomkins use kyrian so idk
clear pulsar
Kyrian isn't sustained damage, it's a 10s dmg buff every 1 min
That's not sustained damage
pure sinew
yeah i know, what i meant it is more often
so it feels like more sustained
convoke is waiting all the time
clear pulsar
I think you're selling convoke short/using it poorly probably, but also yeah kyrian is really nice
Thing is it's absolute hot trash in pve
If you don't pve at all then by all means
Kyrian's pretty good in all pvp brackets for boomie and feral
pure sinew
probably i'm throwing too much convokes in trash
kyrian feels ok, but never tryed convoke on boomy since i played feral till now
so thats why im asking is it worth it
tiny tusk
Worth it is for you to decide, boat Kyrian is one shotty damage when you pop CA and triple surge someone
pure sinew
yeah, realized that, it really melts down almost everything if you cast 3 starsurges with CA
coral sandal
do you guys think rogue/lock/rdruid is good right now ?
forest kite
@pure sinew kyrian is better than nightfae since ... well forever . i wouldn't play convoke outside of Ele/Boomy/Hpal comp for 3s and Hpal / Boomy for 2S ( maybe rogue boomy ) . Like some ppl said , Kyrian is trash for PvE where night fae is more than decent for pvp so ppl are usually playing nightfae 😄 . Even in RBG at high CR , i feel more confortable with my kyrian boomy than NF one .
narrow barn
wise valley
Kyrian is 100% more sustained
Its shorter cd and less likely to be wasted
If you're not running 3 boomys with convoke rbgs r u actually having fun?
haughty compass
Alright new goal is to hit 1.8 with my new enhance buddy as Venthyr frenzyband feral
haughty compass
The best
I was in a 1v1 against a Druid that root beamed me and convoked on my Druid
I just sat there as he topped the overhealing meters
edgy shale
naw im with facerson fotm looking ass
i believe ur good at warrior but if u were a real one u woulda made like a hunter or something
and plyed jungle
wise valley
Ashamanes protecc rest in peace
pallid coral
was such a good trait
wise valley
Honestly should have been baseline
Integrated into the saberon talent
Stoll not as op as condemn either 🤣
clear pulsar
Artifacts were so nice
daring herald
Anyone know any balance of resto druids that regularly stream 3v3 arenas?
formal wave
you guys told me before shadowlands was coming out
kyrian was gonna be the best
and convoke too unreliable
but now everyone in the highest rated pvp is night fae
as balance druid
YOU GUYS SET ME UP! I GOT SCAMMED
you will be hearing from me again about this
edgy shale
thats not true tho lol
formal wave
but you need to be night fae to beat crusader3455
wise valley
what glyph said is factual
you need to convoke some powerful juju to beat a crusader of the lord
edgy shale
i don't disagree. the miestro plays with no leggo, no conduits, renonwn 5 and ilvl 130 and sstill dominates the ladder
clear pulsar
but now everyone in the highest rated pvp is night fae
This is so absolutely not true
formal wave
excuse me for a second
clear pulsar
13 of the 16 boomies above 3k are kyrian
wise valley
what u got againtht lithsps
ebon vortex
no one plays kyrian smh
foggy ravine
Honestly the surprise there is the necro boomies
clear pulsar
It's like maybe 1 or 2
Everyone else is resto mains doing torghast/weekly shit as boomie
Bro we have this conversation
EVERY SINGLE RESET DAY
EVERY TUESDAY BRO
foggy ravine
Oh I didn’t know how that thing tracked it
Ofc on the ladder there’s resto specced otherwise for shit
Didn’t know if that was one of the things that actually uses match history
clear pulsar
Just armory yeah
I bet he wasnt circle + root dot + fury of elune tho
I BET HE WASNT
foggy ravine
Ya necro boomy would be terrible without like an affl lock
But at that point they might as well just have a spriest over a boomy
clear pulsar
Idk tho that's like people in resto channel saying 'if you care that much about SD buff just reroll hpala'
Like bro fully rerolling characters is a far more time consuming activity lol
cursive plaza
How is feral in pvp vs balance
edgy shale
how much r u guys running BM vs. badge these days. i know its MU dependant but i've been seeing a lot more BM these days i feel like
random heath
for guardian in rbgs would necro be viable?
turbid jolt
Can't see why not unless you want to be able to boom convoke a rogue down when defending
The hp gain from convoke is nice too but so is fc
chrome panther
nothing compares to nf blink
but rbgs are such a joke anyways just play nf boomie with guardian offspec/sleeper legendary
gentle trout
I'm trying to main feral, but I end up playing all the other specs. For my pieces that I can't get mastery - is haste the safest offstat? I know feral prefers crit, but haste seems to be better for boomkin, resto, guardian. How bad is haste for feral?
chrome panther
its pretty garbage.
gentle trout
its pretty garbage.
conversely how bad is crit for resto, boomkin?
chrome panther
also pretty garbage
if your not pushing for r1 who cares
you'll lose games off your own mistakes, not a few % of offstats.
gentle trout
Yeah I absolutely know that. Just trying to make the best decision.
glacial dew
Hey guys is haste or crit better for feral druids ? after mastery.
i mean i am buying all vers mastery gear from vendor but the one without vers mastery
should i buy haste or crit ?
i play convoke.
clear pulsar
Crit is better
junior plover
@lime light tbc beta out
steep bane
hi all, tank leg "legacy of the sleeper" the one that gives immune cc during berzerk is usable on feral spec ?
clear pulsar
No
Feral berserk and guardian berserk are 2 different spells
Barkskin leggo works cuz barkskin is the same spell for all specs
steep bane
@clear pulsar thx for your feedback mate
lime light
Beta was out yesterday
clear pulsar
I told you it stayed bro
I TOLD YALL???
@junior plover literally told YOU
45.7k damage in 2.2s
stark plover
the wings stay, but you can't transmog them onto new items
so always keep that item
fresh tangle
is necrolord viable for any of the other 3 specs other than resto? I know its best for resto but i wana play all specs in pvp and if its trash for the others i will stick to night fae
fresh tangle
Thanks. And is there a legendary that is useful for all specs?
clear pulsar
Not for pvp no
fresh tangle
Ill just start savign ash for 2 then
clear pulsar
You'll definitely need at least 4 leggos if you're trying to play all specs in a decent way
clear pulsar
Nah it's like good to have
junior plover
Yee
clear pulsar
But I wouldn't make it as any of my first 4
Verdant Infusion is sooo big for resto
And if you're gonna play guardian I'm gonna assume you're FCing
So then Legacy is HUGE
If you're not playing RBGs, just a disgusting young man playing guardian in arena, then you could probably make VI for resto and Barkskin leggo for the other 3 while you don't have soul ash to make more default recommended leggos
But like you're already playing ultimate livelord necro
There is noooo point in using a survivability leggo as boomie for instance
You're unkillable
Need more dam
fresh tangle
Ok I think I will just get the resto one to start and worry about the others as i go along esp if I am goign necrolord
clear pulsar
VI is very big
Then you can make Circle and it's usable for both dps specs as necro
One of the 2 main choices for necro feral anyway
haughty compass
Draught necro feral aff resto 2s is my new favorite play style
trail crane
guys for boomie war stomp or highmountain racial in your opinion?
tidal linden
Zandalari cause it’s travel and flight form are cooler
tiny tusk
High mountain racial kinda dookie
dry star
Draught necro feral aff resto 2s is my new favorite play style
It's super fun
I feel like outside of CD's, I do more damage than actually playing feral
junior plover
Tauren > Highmountain Tauren
Highmountain sux
The real choice for boomie is Tauren vs Troll
trail crane
Tauren > Highmountain Tauren
ok cool i can exclude at least a one of four choices :p
clear pulsar
The choice is
Troll if you really care for raid parses
Tauren for actual utility
Zandalari for looking pretty
trail crane
thanks. i find zandalari pretty ugly but the regen ability isn't like super good in arena ?
clear pulsar
Idk all racials end up so close damage wise
You could say tauren crit damage is also super good for feral
junior plover
clear pulsar
It's all same same in the end
pulsar helm
I quite enjoy Kul tiren in PvP, haymaker, the passive heals from getting dmged and the extra Vers
junior plover
Kultiran ain't bad
lean zinc
zandalari gonk racial is pog
junior plover
Kultiran would probably be tauren tier on horde
But there's no reason to ever pick it over nelf
trail crane
It's super worthless lol
i see thx.
y im nelf rn and is the only reason im ally asd
trail crane
from what i've read here, if your team is not like 3 boomie and 3 affly bursting targets is better
tired path
ok ty
weak hinge
Necro Feral Talents + Leggo?
junior plover
Mostly yeah
junior plover
Nope
arctic rivet
Finally got Well Honed Instincts!
I just need the last one which is Precise alignment
stray sigil
@clear pulsar do we go double kultiran bro
imagine kultiran venthyr feral
absolute unit
junior plover
imagine kultiran venthyr feral
arctic rivet
imagine playing Alliance this day in age....
how the fuck you guys even live like this?
stray sigil
@junior plover 
kindred mica
Hey can someone help me with my bear PvP talents? Hit 1600 but now finding it to be a wall. Is this right or should I change some of these out?
- FC: Den Mother, Freedom of the Herd, Toughness
- Sitting flag: Den Mother, Toughness, Demoralizing Roar
- Team fighting (rare): Den Mother, Demoralizing Roar, Roar of the Protector
stone hamlet
If I am reading correctly, is feral using the tiger fury legendary for pvp right?
foggy ravine
any rdruids got tips for rmp matches @2kcr
hollow cypress
Any Resto druids other that track focused growth with stacks?
foggy ravine
my elvui tracks it like if I can I keep the stacks on one target
but its not always possible to just keep lifebloom on one target all game
hollow cypress
@foggy ravine yeah I use blizzard frames. Was hoping for a WA.
tardy hare
Hey can someone help me with my bear PvP talents? Hit 1600 but now finding it t...
Just play toughness, demo roar, raging frenzy 24/7
civic crown
Malones swiftness good for fc
tardy hare
not really
you're barely ever in travel form while slowed
and flag stacks cap your move speed
tardy hare
new achiev
junior plover
ah
vagrant crane
What's the pvp legendary for tank which lets you def bases against rogues?
Does aoe dmg around you when yo use barkskin or something?
civic crown
That is brambles talent
tardy hare
Yes
vagrant crane
Ty
blissful belfry
i literally just got this on my main
Also, you get this achieve just by playing SLG mythic.
junior plover
Whats SLG
blissful belfry
stone legion generals
blissful belfry
somehow, when your friends die, it counts as a kill
junior plover
junior plover
somehow, when your friends die, it counts as a kill
fallen ibex
which spec is best for flag carrying, boomkin, feral, or guardian
also is the barkskin legendary the best one across the board for flag carrying?
fallen ibex
ah so you can just pop berserk and run across the map unimpeded
junior plover
I know
lime light
i would prolly swap too, if i was playing
and try both legos, the st one and aoe dot one
junior plover
but i didnt expect him to go necro on main on ladder
but I guess BM jungle is bonkers
clear pulsar
We just have like more than 2 months left of season, need to change shit up sometimes
junior plover
Thats fair too
I guess he knows he wont miss r1 anyway
so he can afford to fuck around either way
lime light
also with bm jungle, u dont rly need big dopt pressure, bm is doing enough dmg, and u bring big damg every kyrian
the point with necro
is FF swarm
big?
lime light
cassidy necro on alt
clear pulsar
We had this conversation last week
I said a lot of high rated ferals were trying out necro
You were like xaxaxa only axtin
????
lime light
cuz they are bored of this game
clear pulsar
Cuz necro is the truth
junior plover
Cassidy fucked me up on necro alt like
a month back
i linked a video here of him gapping me
Yo @clear pulsar do you run burrs or 2nd potency
gentle trout
Why isn’t sephuz more popular for feral pvp? Aren’t most kill conditions based on getting a maim?
junior plover
I always thought Sephuz was underrated given that spriests, rets, warriors etc play it
but idk no one ever tried it
sinful canyon
Eye of sym makes the main go way scarier
junior plover
Symm isnt even good tho
thats the thing
its just the best dmg leggo we have
so Sephuz should be decent
junior plover
Meh its like
sinful canyon
Front loads dmg into a burst window
junior plover
Better go once every 3 minutes
sinful canyon
I mean it's a better go like every minute
You shouldn't only be considering with berserk
sinful canyon
Yeah every minute you get maim ff tf and you get a bite way easier
Maybe even two because of the legendary
I'm the stun window
Even more powerful for kyrian players too
clear pulsar
Yo <@!102094910101913600> do you run burrs or 2nd potency
I havent played arena in like a month bro but burrs sucks dick
junior plover
I havent played arena in like a month bro but burrs sucks dick
figured
clear pulsar
junior plover
<a:widePeepoHappyRightHeart:613796798795874362>
wtf is this emote
Man
how do you get human racial on gladius
why is it not there
lime light
sarena kid
junior plover
junior plover
dire pulsar
Tried going to rated bgs as feral, and dear god , it wasn't good at all😂.
clear pulsar
junior plover
I think im gonna queue some rbgs
bored
dont have sleeper tho
gimme some bear talents
something like this?
lime light
why tiger dash
clear pulsar
Wild charge insanity bro
clear pulsar
Probably demo roar instead of malorne
junior plover
damn really
Oh yea what about soulbind
can i just go seed or korayn
Checked my boomie talents out of curiosity
Can you get any more feral than this
idk why i did this
vale crystal
Niya for fc
junior plover
Niya for fc
Yeah but i wont swap from my cat niya
clear pulsar
Swapped last 10s before gates open
clear pulsar
Just use triple endurance niya
junior plover
hmmm
clear pulsar
vale crystal
I think you can just take the right side niya, I boomie and guardian with niya
And yeah niya for the convoke hp
wise valley
Demo roar and drop mothers den for the undying rage
@junior plover balance aff for guard rbgs
Ur brambles is affected by the balance aff
90% of rogues will not expect it
junior plover
But vortex tho
Ok bgs over
we got 2 kills all game
both were my solo kills
i see why i got invited now
wise valley
vortex what
junior plover
whatever
blissful belfry
who care bout a vortex when u can typhoooooon
junior plover
wtf rbg is fun???
should i just berserk on flag pickup as fc?
ursols is broken
bash clone the rogue defender into vortex