pvp

[junior plover]

quin's a god gamer

he got 3k like week 3

[forest kite]

Very durable double dps with insane damage, and with sp same shit + you are guaranted to kill healer once they trinket

[desert delta]

yea not like he got carried lul

[junior plover]

Doesnt really matter

3k week 3

is not rating u can carry most players to

[desert delta]

if ur a god gamer u can carry a sperg to that when all he needs to do is press DT

but yea keep telling uself that :3

[junior plover]

All I see is coping for low rating

[desert delta]

yea m8 sure

[forest kite]

At least he is not here asking for what comp to play 🤣

[junior plover]

I'd love to see a non-glad player carried to what is essentially 3.4k right now

[desert delta]

ey gotta know what to play with ma alt man no shame in asking or is there?

but simping for quin.. now thats a shame

[junior plover]

Dont care much for quin but for how little he interracts with wow

really impressive run

[desert delta]

[clear pulsar]

'How do you play ret boomie' bro the same way you play without a ret

Tf u mean

[desert delta]

well since i dont play with a boomie or ever played a boomie

i gotta ask dont i?

[junior plover]

[forest kite]

You can't carry a non glad player to 3k, like u can't carry a 1.6 player to glad, they just pay 600e on blazing to finally get 2.1 at best 😂

[haughty compass]

My buddy plays a Venthyr unholy dk, do I play aff with him or just kinda sit back with guardian and dampen?

Feral aff*

[junior plover]

There was like

2 teams at 3k at that time

[forest kite]

But yeah some 3k player are not better than low glad, like this guy or suppatease for exemple, still they are huge xp by playing with and against much better than them

[haughty compass]

Supatease has a lot of game knowledge too, but his actually decision making has me scratching my head a ton sometimes

[junior plover]

So seriously it'd be like substituting 30% of your soccer team with me and trying to place top5 in the world in the fifa championship

[forest kite]

Suppatease is a 2.4 player playing with the best that all

You could take any glad 2.5 boomy instead and they could achieve the same

( BTW its me or I don't see any difference between 2.6 and 1.5 warrior except gear? xD)

[junior plover]

I mean he's 2.7k+ since 2011

Idk I know nothing about the guy myself but it always baffles me

sure maybe you can carry someone to top 100

but like top20?

where you'll be playing 2.5v3 every game

against the best players in the world?

idk man

[foggy ravine]

my lad who is 2.5k warrior still runs behind pillar without trinket

to die in a stun

[junior plover]

warriors are a different breed

[foggy ravine]

but at least he learned to use intervene by the time he got glad

[junior plover]

but yeah I think anything under like 3k you can carry anyone to

if the other 2 are good enough

but at some point

the other 2 just cant be that much better

than 3.1k teams

[forest kite]

I was saying he is fine but definitely not a top player, he still have a huge knowledge by playing with and against top player since many years

[clear pulsar]

Yeah supatease definitely cracked in the head a bit

His takes are not solid

[forest kite]

But yeah many 2.5 boomy are probably better than him

[junior plover]

Honestly 1 reason i'd love to see soloq realized and actually good&playable

would be to see rumors like these challenged

maybe ure right

maybe he's 3k week 1

lol

wouldnt be up for debate anymore

[forest kite]

You just have to be boomy main and watch him play

Then watch prev

[junior plover]

Yeah I get ya

[forest kite]

xD

[weak goblet]

As feral are bleeds even a dps increase?

[junior plover]

Yes but they also kinda suck

[foggy ravine]

just go necro cat then all you do is bleeeed

[junior plover]

try to keep rake up but rip pretty much only if you are sure ferocious wounds wont fall off and you dont need the cp/energy for a go any time soon

[weak goblet]

This destro lock was passively outhealing my DoTs with Felskin

[junior plover]

[weak goblet]

Idk why I even spend CP on Rip

[weak goblet]

Is this actually legit?

Cause I'd imagine +35% of 0 is still 0

[junior plover]

It actually is

Circle necro BT bleeds

It's not a great ladder build but tony piloted it to top8 awc into quite a few matchups

[weak goblet]

You got a link to those matchups?

[clear pulsar]

youtube.com/worldofwarcraft

They lose in top 8 tho ofc

Big FFs tho

[junior plover]

the only one in awc they lost

[clear pulsar]

I don't think BT is the move

If it was old BT yeah

[junior plover]

didnt he play BT earlier into thunder?

[clear pulsar]

New BT, not it

I'm saying from my own playing

[junior plover]

I see

[clear pulsar]

20k FFs on the regular

[junior plover]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/908573032?t=5h26m17s

This is the VOD where he played the most of it

like 4 games

[clear pulsar]

Actual big dam

[weak goblet]

Ty

In my head I just imagine bleed build to be so tiny

[junior plover]

It's all healable damage

they just oom

by healing it tho

[weak goblet]

Do you play PW for the rot then?

[junior plover]

nah u still brs

[clear pulsar]

Think about it

Moonfire and Rip ticking for 1k each every 2 seconds
Rake 1k every 3 seconds
Then you throw in a 20k FF

[junior plover]

but i already made circle

[weak goblet]

Does that matter if you just straight up bite for 20k instead? 🤔

[junior plover]

Not really which is why Kyrian is still the real spec

but you also do stuff outside of once every 45s

so thats nice for necro

[foggy ravine]

ya look up axtin he plays necro cat at like 3k

[junior plover]

wait rly

@stray sigil is highest rated necro cat I could find

at 2.8

[foggy ravine]

well I think the nice thing about necro is the defensive stuff

[junior plover]

Thats true as well

[foggy ravine]

fleshcraft / slime shield makes it easier to play resto affinity right?

[junior plover]

oh yea axtin is like almost 2.8

fuck I got jebaited into making circle?

It's all draught gamers

blizzard support here I come

[clear pulsar]

You still bite too tho like

[foggy ravine]

draught is sick for 2s as necro cat I think

[clear pulsar]

If you're doing st only then your bleeds would be a bit bigger than my 1k ticks since you'd play Draught

[foggy ravine]

but 3s you probably want circle right?

[clear pulsar]

And you bite for 8k or so

[weak goblet]

Is he that guy who plays kitty cleave at 3k?

[foggy ravine]

uh idk maybe I've only seen him play jungle

but I don't watch him that much

I play mostly boomy / resto

[clear pulsar]

You still do a go with bash bite ff bite

You arent removing the button from your bars

Idk this whole hurr durr bleeds do no damage how can necro kill thing

Is like the guy asking 'how do you play with a ret'

The same way you play without one your buttons are still the same goddammit

[weak goblet]

Uhm

No

That's not the same at all

Lol

[clear pulsar]

Absolutely is

[weak goblet]

I'm asking if bleed focused is viable

Not how to play it

[clear pulsar]

You literally only change one talent for it

If you're not necro you're still maintaining rake and rip on targets you're pressuring

100%

[weak goblet]

Dude

Do you listen?

I'm not asking how to play it

I'm asking if it's good

[junior plover]

It's good

not as good as Kyrian or NF most likely

but it's good

[warm frost]

Circle in 3s is good against double melee, draught if you are tunneling one target like in jungle @junior plover

Circle not a waste

[junior plover]

yeah but who'd make 2 necro legendaries

[warm frost]

Depends how much you love torghast lol

[weak goblet]

I'd look these kind of things up online, but all these guides look outdated as fuck

Memery of lucid dreams btw

Describing Incarn as one of the strongest CDs in the game but takes SotF instead

[clear pulsar]

Draught and circle are both bis in pve

So most people have or one both already

Torghast is literally 20 mins a week

Even as necro I got to last boss was doing 25k dps just with powers from killing end of floor mobs

[junior plover]

ye its w/e i have 2.5k ash already

ill just farm it out

im curious about draught kyrian in 2s

[clear pulsar]

Frenzyband bro

FRENZYBAND

[junior plover]

[junior plover]

I wish berserk did anything

and incarn too

[stray sigil]

i swear u could play draught li without necro btw

swarms like 50% or less uptime in most games

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I think you could into double plate

For sure

I swear BT is troll tho

FF is the move

[foggy ravine]

you could probably even play symmetry as necro

[clear pulsar]

If you're necro I mean

[stray sigil]

na i rhink bt is better vs plate mail

[clear pulsar]

Yeah you can play necro with sabertooth symmetry just whatever really

[stray sigil]

and leather cloth ur better off with ff

[clear pulsar]

Complete opposite bro hello?

[junior plover]

Ye thats what im thinking

maybe not LI

but draught kyrian

[stray sigil]

na in 2s u wont kill a warrior like fast enough for ff to be muxh better

id rather just take bt

[clear pulsar]

FF is more bleed damage than BT

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

it is in a go

but u dont win in gos in 2s with bleed build

[clear pulsar]

BT is 30% on rip, which over 45 seconds is absolutely not gonna be more than 20k extra damage even if you have it up on 2 targets

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

u literally just play like an assa eog

put bleeds

maim on dr

[clear pulsar]

BT is ass

[stray sigil]

live till 60-79% damo

na

bt is fine

lol fuckwd

[clear pulsar]

FF is goat

[stray sigil]

idiot eu feral

[clear pulsar]

Who's eu feral

[stray sigil]

i mean u can play either

kiosk

got wardenee

[clear pulsar]

Kiosk isn't feral

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

WHAT

How dare you

[clear pulsar]

He plays boomie in rbgs for sure

[junior plover]

I dont even have boomie talents selected

[clear pulsar]

Hmmm

[junior plover]

DEFINITIVE PROOF

[tardy hare]

guardian only

[stray sigil]

prob play guard in 3s in bfa uh

[clear pulsar]

Ok sorry for misjudging you

[junior plover]

and not a single rbg game in my life

i was thinking of boosting friends alts with boomie rbg tho

[tardy hare]

should i join some low rated RBGs and int them to drop rating?

[stray sigil]

[clear pulsar]

Bro I wish Emeni was good

[tardy hare]

is it against ToS to drop flag in enemy team 3x in a row?

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

i dont even care

next week im venthyr

[clear pulsar]

POG?

[tardy hare]

[junior plover]

venthyr

[clear pulsar]

Next week I'm back night fae and push 2k io

[junior plover]

first curio bt

now this

[stray sigil]

u said u give me keys

if i am venthyr

[clear pulsar]

When you're venthyr yes

[stray sigil]

pay up

now do i go zanda or troll

with venthyr

hMMmmm

[clear pulsar]

Idk regular troll is kinda ass

Looks terrible on every mog

[stray sigil]

but 3min cd stack

[tardy hare]

regular troll is pog

[stray sigil]

YUGE

[tardy hare]

hello?

[clear pulsar]

Hm

Regular troll only looks good in lumberjack mog

[junior plover]

Hmm

BM is back

jungle back in town?

necro jungle with bm

sounds disgusting

[stray sigil]

bm is good

but like i dont think necro is much better with it

unless u go for oom angle i suppose

[junior plover]

just giga pressure no?

[clear pulsar]

Necro for the extra offhealing

Maybe then a pet can stay alive

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

With 3 pets

how will they know

which to kill?

[clear pulsar]

True

Main pet, off pet, feral pet

[foggy ravine]

axtin and ssds were playing bm/necro jungle the other day

was lowkey slapping

[dusky cypress]

does anyone know if the crit pvp talent buff from balance affects melee aswell? or is it literally just spells

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

If it hasn't changed, it only affects magic damage spells

So some melees get benefit from it

Like enhance, dks

[junior plover]

ret?

[clear pulsar]

It should affect same things as skyfury

Which is easier to test

[dusky cypress]

of course I know how to read

but the crit chance on the character page does go up for melee

[tardy hare]

it's drop o clock

[dusky cypress]

so who knows with blizzard

[tardy hare]

Guys

Can you go afk in rbg

Without being kicked?

[errant blaze]

I currently have pretty close to all conquest pieces for boomie (haste/vers) but im contemplating going feral, i only have like 1200 conquest i can spend and about 4k soul ash. My cr is 1.6k (so its pretty low on this toon) would it be ok with the haste gear or should i wait for next season/off season to swap?

Currently the druid is nf if that changes anything

[clear pulsar]

Yes

Tell em you'll base sit

[tardy hare]

yeah i am

xd

[viscid remnant]

amazin

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

Leveling priest through bgs

we had 5 rogues to begin with

lost 1st flag

now we have 5 less players

and 0 rogues

[lime light]

[tiny oar]

[dry spruce]

question, i just joined the server but i am 99.99% sure this topic has been touched already. For guardian rbgs which legendary is the go to, i have Sleeper legendary made just seeing if there was any other to look to craft etc etc

[pallid vessel]

sleeper and after you pop berserk swap to natural orders will until berserk is almost off cooldown optimally

alternatively just keep sleeper on the minmax doesnt really matter

[dry spruce]

so, i have balance of all things to rank 3 and sleeper to r1 should i exhaust my soul ash into orders will?

@pallid vessel thank you for you input btw ❤️

[pallid vessel]

prob not man id just upgrade sleeper if youre gonna play guardian in rbgs

[dry spruce]

can i dm you @pallid vessel ?

[pallid vessel]

lego swapping is kind of cringe and probably wont make a different below hero

[dry spruce]

that way i save clutter.

[pallid vessel]

my dms are open but if u have other questions might as well slap them here imo so other people can read that might have the same questions

[dry spruce]

okay, fair enough! Soulbinding for NF?

[pallid vessel]

niya for sure

heres a good query to see all talents and builds and legos and stuff from all guardians that are 2400+ in RBGs

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/pvp/filter/results?class=druid&spec=guardian&leaderboards=rbg&cr-bracket=rbg&current-rating=2400

[dry spruce]

thank you again for that, i have people i have been asking in guild and stuff all they really say is nyia for guardian dream for boomie/guardian and the last one for boomie, i've checked pvpleaderboards like it was going out of style i just didnt know how "up to date" it was

[stone breach]

it says "last updated ..." at the bottom

it's up to date to today

[pallid vessel]

dreamweaver is cringe, mastery is too strong for every druid spec to even consider playing it imo

[tulip falcon]

natural order's will isn't even worth getting really, if you have the ash sure

literally never unequipped sleeper in my life as guardian

no reason to

cd is only short

put my ash into 2 feral legos and only had sleeper for guardian

[tardy hare]

same

[exotic gazelle]

What soulbinds are people running with in pvp? rbgs and arenas ^^ been getting alot of these general suggestions but want abit more indepth so im not running bad picks

[tardy hare]

except i had only 1 feral lego aswell

[exotic gazelle]

conduits aswell ^^

Balance druid sorry

[stone breach]

https://murlok.io/druid

[exotic gazelle]

Cheers will check it out 😄

[stone breach]

there's also pvpleaderboard and lootdistrict

[tulip falcon]

yea id rather just have sleeper on cd than get stuck in combat and not be able to swap

i might play again but idk what to fucking do

[exotic gazelle]

Yeah been trying to look over pvp leaderboards just never really know if they got the right equipped atm

[tulip falcon]

i haven't logged in wow since we lost to two 2.4 teams at 2.8 cr

like it actually tilted me for a month and a half

[tardy hare]

[tulip falcon]

i think it would've fucked my mmr and caused me to get like +0s

didnt play to find out

i see the hero cutoff is still dirt low

[turbid jolt]

What's the cutoff

[tulip falcon]

2513 on horde eu then even lower on ally

[edgy apex]

Should I just be saving up conquest for weapon as balance druid, or getting cheapest pieces first in hopes of getting expensive ones from the vault?

[junior plover]

I got vault every week and saw the weapon once

Take that as you will

[edgy apex]

But is weapon more stats per conquest point or is that actually pretty even across equip slots?

[blissful belfry]

depend what pieces you replace and at what ilvl. With the conquest cap available. i'd say just replace your lowest ilvl piece everytime, moving up

you have enough conquest to buy a full set of gear or close to i think at this point

Just replace your worst piece one at a time

[edgy apex]

yeah, that's my weapon, just still working on farming the conquest. And hard to save up when there are upgrades I can already buy :p

[blissful belfry]

yeah, reset isnt before tuesday / wed anyway. Its far and you have time to grind a whole lotta conq til then depending how much you play

just for the off chance of a wep. Just buy one if its your worst pice

[clear pulsar]

Weapon is the biggest item

[blissful belfry]

depends which weapon. daggers are pretty small, but some staves are really big

[clear pulsar]

Very joke guy

1800 conquest for 360 int
Big armor slots are 875 conquest for 81 int
Medium armor are 700 conquest for 61 int
Small armor are 525 for 46
I would put jewelry on par with big armor, if not higher, simply cuz of gigantic vers with pvp trinket bonus

[sinful plaza]

can someone tell me the stats for nightfae balance i think i need more haste...

[junior plover]

imagine having rip bound

[clear pulsar]

I was getting farmed by aff rdru

The first time I play in over 2 weeks

[balmy kettle]

hey guys im having problems dealing with rogues and ccs can anyone help me i trink blind but if i dont get incarn off after its pretty much gg from there on and lose the node unless i have help

[clear pulsar]

Barkskin with brambles

Otherwise like

If you're 1v1 vs a rogue

You either stand on top of flag if you have barkskin available

Or incarn

Or you can run away and then they can't kidney cap

If they're not on top of flag when they kidney you

[lime light]

What if u Play the honor talent

-20 or 25% cc duration i belive ?

Or its gone in sl

[balmy kettle]

i run that it still gives them time to cc me down to cap on me after i trink and not get the inc off or bark

ill have to work on my timing more on bark/incarn

im currently running brambles talent and my pvp talents are toughness freedom of the herd and alpha challenge if i need to go 1v1 its more deeps on someone or if ive got a few people that we focus a target thats increased dmg

[junior plover]

theyre going at it

[lime light]

How can u Die to bm hunter

Just los

[clear pulsar]

Good point, it's only stuns but then you basically can't ever get solo capped by a rogue ever

[clear pulsar]

You can use barkskin while stunned

Also if you have 25% reduc on stuns you absolutely can't get capped during kidney

Cap takes 6 seconds

[junior plover]

i died so i could kill him

1000 iq

[lime light]

[balmy kettle]

yeah ll stuns are reduced by 25%

[junior plover]

Priest > Pala

so just trade deaths with hunter

100% winrate

[balmy kettle]

im just trying to figure out what i did wrong then

[clear pulsar]

You have to hit the rogue

[balmy kettle]

like im trying to save the cc trink for blind then bark then incarn if they still there but sometimes they get me down again before i can pop that inc

even with a moonifire for the bramble

[clear pulsar]

So are they killing you or are they ccing you down to cap on you?

Cuz you've said it both ways now

And they're different issues

[balmy kettle]

ccing me down 100%

[clear pulsar]

Is it only one rogue?

[balmy kettle]

most of the time its the 1 yes

[clear pulsar]

I mean there is nothing else to it
Blind is the same cd as your trinket, so long as you don't get sapped you can absolutely never get cc capped by a solo rogue.

Barkskin will spin if you're in range, it's the same range as thrash for reference

[lime light]

Btw

Cant u also skin

If sapped?

[clear pulsar]

But you also don't even need to if it's only a solo rogue cuz like

[balmy kettle]

i dont think u can

[clear pulsar]

Kidney doesnt last long enough to cap

[balmy kettle]

from memory

[clear pulsar]

If you're playing Toughness

[lime light]

Can u skin, when u are sapped tho

?

[clear pulsar]

You can

[lime light]

So just stay on the base

And do nothing

Cant cap out of kidney

Cant blind cuz trinket

U skin the sap

[balmy kettle]

so im saving skin for sap then

[lime light]

2nd dr on SAP might be trouble

[balmy kettle]

i know ive been sapped back to back

prob played it wrong when i did for sure

[clear pulsar]

Sapped back to back doesnt matter

If you get sapped half it's only 4 seconds

Takes 6 seconds to cap

[torpid bramble]

What are guardian druids running as a legendary for Flag carrying RBG's?

[lime light]

Sleeper

[junior plover]

OH MY GOD

PRIEST MCD MY PRIEST ON EDGE OF BRIDGE

MY PRIEST BROKE IT

HE FELL OFF

AND WE KILLED HIS PARTNER

Because he thought he was walking my priest

holy fuck

[sinful canyon]

Lmao

[lime light]

XDd

Ghetto players

Sadge

[junior plover]

he was like 1 step away from falling

so as he broke mc

he just stepped off insta

[lime light]

[junior plover]

Also

Circle kyrian FF

kinda slaps into warrior in 2s

Much better than symm anyway

[lime light]

No

[junior plover]

Yeah

every go is better and he stops every berserk go anyway so whats the point

Draught probs better tho

obv

[clear pulsar]

Circle not it chief

Go barkskin leggo + balance aff + hotw

They cant bop/parry your convoke if you boomie convoke

[wise valley]

damn yall still playing druid

crazy

[junior plover]

[edgy apex]

What's the easiest (2v2, 3v3 or rbg) to get some rating to start upgrading gear? (I'm still pretty bad and don't know people to play with) Been doing pugs for rbgs for now, but maybe arena goes a lot faster and I should just find someone to team up with?

[remote cave]

Play with a Ret pally

Feral/Boomy and Ret are good

[junior plover]

RBG is the easiest by far

[edgy apex]

Another general question: In big bgs (think epic bgs), I'm not really sure if I should deal tons of AoE damage, versus focusing on bursting down single people. Like, sometimes it feels like I can deal 4 times as much aoe, but it just gets healed through and it doesn't win teamfights in the end

[chrome panther]

in epic bgs just tab dot and press starfall

most fights that arent absolute stomps are just decided on healer mana and outputting as much dps as possible wins you the fights imo

[winged obsidian]

Feral/Hunter, Feral/Priest, Feral/Paladin

Not sure what’s best for boomy, but expect to use a ton of your CC and off heal in 2s

Coordinate simultaneous CC on all of your opponents avoiding DR. Then burst the same kill target.

[chrome panther]

boomie/hpal for 2s.

[winged obsidian]

CC (crowd control) DR (diminishing returns) is where you and your team chain the same type of cc on a target and the following cc duration is lessened because of it.

Stun after stun, etc.

That’s why hunters priest and druids work well in Jungle, because their cc types vary.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Diminishing_returns

This is super important in pvp and understanding it will give you a huge advantage.

[edgy apex]

Thanks! Will be reading up a bit. As for CC, that comes down to cyclone and possibly mighty bash for boomie?

[chrome pier]

cyclone, bash, typhoon, ursols

also root is huge

entangling roots (or mass entangle if u decide to take that talent) chains well into solar beam

so if you root beam a healer they cant really get out of the interrupt so it acts as a cc (unless for example a pally freedoms themself before the beam or smth)

[junior plover]

you guys like my mog?

[haughty compass]

No

[junior plover]

fuck u

[viscid remnant]

looking like

some guy that smokes banana peels

[junior plover]

perfect

[tall knoll]

Why is it that against warriors, incap roar usually just lasts like a second so i cant get clones off? Is it a passive for cc reduction or what?

[edgy shale]

THEY HAVE an ability called like zerker rage or something

that makes them immune to fear charm incap for like 6 seconds or whatever

[surreal elbow]

yeah its just beserker rage

[junior plover]

1 minute cooldown

[tall knoll]

good to know thanks

[vital parcel]

Hello... Any guidance on how to play a solid boomy hpal2s (fae not kyrian)

Feels like we. Only have a go every 3m with ca.convoke.and eberymin with Hoj beam elune

[haughty compass]

Hoj one bash one convoke + aura mastery

[vital parcel]

So take bash instead of mass root? Even agaisnt heals

I only. Take bash for rdruid atm or non.cas

Like.. We struggle hard agaisnt war hpala

They jus trade very efficiently.

And I can't rly force CD without a HOJ beam. Go

Especially bad when war jus leap back.. So we can't close. Game

[neon gust]

kyrian or nightfae im torn

Kyrian/Nightfae Boomy i should add

[haughty compass]

Usually easier to just wear down and kill the healer tbh

[minor galleon]

Best partner(s) in 2s for an rdruid?

[foggy ravine]

Venthyr warrior but plenty others work

[minor galleon]

Thanks!

[foggy ravine]

Both work but kyrian is more consistent 1m goes

[minor galleon]

Another friend plays hunter. Any idea which hunter spec might work best for 2s with R Druid?

[green valve]

Surv or bm is a pia in 2s

But any work tbh

[spare bison]

Is necro viable for feral in 2s? I'd mainly play with a ret or resto sham

[lament stream]

hey guys what are the god tier talents for rgbs - boomie

currently running moonkin aura, celestial guardian, crescent burn

but i was thinking running deep roots plus prickling thorns could be good

or deep roots + dying stars

idk tho

[stray sigil]

[rigid linden]

Yikers

[tough meadow]

Mate

What the fuck is that

Lol

[tall knoll]

Accurate description of the current 2v2 meta... hpal/venthyr warrior. Rogue mage. And after the patch some warlocks with a priest or something.

[tough meadow]

Reminds me of wotlk times, Hpala/War was the only thing stomping

With that shadowmourne

And some op pve trinkets

[tall knoll]

Their kit is just so overloaded. Sometimes it feels like rogue/mage to me. Where they just shouldn't lose if they know what they are doing

[tough meadow]

Yeah it is pretty overloaded, I honestly leveled one warrior fresh, started doing arenas at 175ilvl and they are pretty strong.. They have so much to play around with, so many tools in their kit. Played properly you're like a god..

And now with ventyr mini charge too.. Jesus man

Plus, they have the last row in ventyr soulbinds where they get 25% reduced root, snare effects.. So it's hard to slow them too.

All these things add up. I was wondering why the damn hell I can't get warriors off of me when I played as boomy.

[tall knoll]

Plus berserker rage to be pretty much immune to incap roar cyclone.
Im nf boomie which isnt optimal but if i win, its usually getting a setup with cross-cc, convoke. Followed by trinket bubble sacc. Survive 3 minutes. Kill them with the 2nd go

[weak hinge]

@tall knoll not trying to shittalk but what rating are you on?

[tall knoll]

Only at like 1650. Trying to find a consistent partner that actually wants to use voice chat. Getting sick of lfg xD

[weak hinge]

kk because if boomy brings something to the table in 2s its that you basically have autowin against hpal/warr

[lime light]

lmao

auto win vs venthyr warrior

[tall knoll]

But how. Especially when playing with a healer, how else am i supposed to burn their defensives/trinket?

[lime light]

are u kicked in the head

he is gonna train the boomkin whole game, and bear form gonna do nothing, they have enough cds to stop the first convoke incarn

[weak hinge]

2.2k in 2s with 800 games and 80% winrate vs hpal/warr

[lime light]

and there wont be second pretty much

show reflex data

[weak hinge]

that is reflex data

[tall knoll]

Telling me your stats doesnt help. Weird flex but ok

[weak hinge]

hpal is very vulnerable to rootbeam

[lime light]

those are your words, not reflex data

[weak hinge]

keep losing then and tell yourself that venth warr is unbeatable m8

[tall knoll]

Im enjoying boomie/ret lately. Kinda crazy offhealing and some extra burst.

[lime light]

i dont play boomkin lmao

[edgy shale]

el patron demands a screenshot

give him what he wants

[lime light]

yes

please

how can u possible lose to boomkin as venthyr warrior

thats so cringe

i dont belive in those words

[edgy shale]

warriors do tunnel into thorns

thats big dam

[lime light]

ye, but they deal twice of that dam

[weak hinge]

ok hpal/arms vs hpal/boomy

[lime light]

with condemn

[weak hinge]

u hit warr all the time. root beam on CD use regular boat stuff on warrior and with ur pala dmg they eventually die

its just super simple

kite their CDs

or get BOPed

[edgy shale]

u keep say words. all patron wants is hard data.

[weak hinge]

if u dont believe me and my data maybe check luduslabs

[lime light]

what is luduslabs

[weak hinge]

Ludus Labs is a data analysis website for World of Warcraft with a focus on PvP. I create tools, data analyses, and publish articles on the state of the game.

[lime light]

wait

that looks so scuffed

isnt it

cuz no one plays boomkin hpal almost

so the data is scuffed?

cuz its avarage

[tough meadow]

Could be man. There are tons of War/hpala in arena, and like a lot less of boomy/Hpala. Then ilvl and gear comes into consideration too.. Ofc skill too.

Need to check it out more

I've beaten War/hpala , then I've been stomped by WarHpala, I literally got 3 shotted in one arena from a ventyr war, through all my defensives

[tough meadow]

Exploiter, sharpen blade and what not.. Lol

[lime light]

idk what is that data, but its so scuffed lmao

[tall knoll]

Maybe i should just switch to kyrian for more consistent gos. Why is convoke so damn good in pve and bgs...

[lime light]

no, convoke is rlygood for boomkin

and even better for ghetto mmr

dont worry that much about it

u might face plenty of boosters also

keep grinding

[edgy shale]

el patron how do i keep Qing when Qing makes me frown?

[tall knoll]

Yeah you are probably right. Getting outgeared is a common accurance at my rating unfortunately.

[junior plover]

Low sample size

It's like

1 or 2 people per spec

Submitting

[lime light]

its like two ppl updated their logs

[junior plover]

Yeah

[lime light]

lmao

[junior plover]

That's literally it

[tough meadow]

Totally agree here, it's so cringe..

[junior plover]

I mean I respect the idea behind the tool

[lime light]

@edgy shale u eat something good and q again

[junior plover]

But it just won't work unless it goes super mainstream

[lime light]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

q up bitch

[junior plover]

[edgy shale]

that sounds like a quick way to become 600 pounds

[junior plover]

KEEP QING

[edgy shale]

i dont like to frown

[junior plover]

No actually i reduced my queues to average of 15 per day

And it feels nice

We win more too

[edgy shale]

ya, burnout is real. I keep waiting for them to nerf warriors to spam more pvp but its just not happening

[junior plover]

Yeah I legit

Man

Legit the only problem left i have with pvp is warrior

The game would be perfect

If they got nerfed

[tough meadow]

Can we talk about how many fucking boosters there are in arena.. And the ilvl differences. Its insane man

[edgy shale]

spriest still does too much dam for my liking, but whatever its not nearly as bad as war

mind games is discustiong

[tall knoll]

Warlock is also slowly getting there i feel like

[junior plover]

Mostly rbg and pve frogs and not boosters

But yeah

Its rough on a fresh character

[lime light]

the only thing in this game, that kills druids

[junior plover]

I think Venruki and some other Blizzcon champion

Got stuck at 1200 rating in 2s

The other day

On their alts

[tough meadow]

Aye mate I'm happy I have convoke on my side for these low brackets.. They use all their CDs and then I just convoke

[junior plover]

Can you imagine?

2 Blizzcon champions hardstuck 1200

[edgy shale]

venruki playing not monk

[junior plover]

Skill > gear btw

[edgy shale]

[tall knoll]

Wasnt venruki stuck at like 500 rating?

[junior plover]

To be fair they were like 180 ilvl

[lime light]

lets be honest, retail is gonna be ded for a while

d2 and tbc inc

[junior plover]

Tbc will overlap with 9.1 it seems

[tough meadow]

Tbc.. Again warriors and Rdruid is what we will only see

[tall knoll]

Yeah a warrior spamming condemn with 10+ ilvl more than me is a big skillgap

[junior plover]

Nah warriors aren't even that good in tbc

[lime light]

iam gonna pump as feral

[junior plover]

Maybe in 2|

2s

[lime light]

feral is ok in tbc

[junior plover]

Me2

[lime light]

just need to play properly

[edgy shale]

stop lying to ursself

[junior plover]

Come Ashbringer EU

I'll teach you the feral ways

[lime light]

iam ashbringer

lmao

[junior plover]

Wat

WTF

[lime light]

lmao

i was playing on ashrbinger

[edgy shale]

y'all are delusional

[junior plover]

Lol

[lime light]

since the beginging

[edgy shale]

u were prob playing WARRIOR during tbc

[lime light]

but on my mage

quit before bwl

[junior plover]

That's wild

What the

[lime light]

iam online on my hunter rn

[tall knoll]

Im gonna play mage in tbc. Just to piss warriors off as frost in pvp

[junior plover]

I quit mid AQ

But my feral slapped

[lime light]

do u know the guild

smoke it?

[junior plover]

Ye

[lime light]

are u horde btw?

[junior plover]

Ye

[lime light]

i was one of the core players in smoke it

[junior plover]

I think smoke it is still going

[lime light]

yes

[junior plover]

Like top saph kill times

[lime light]

iam going back

[junior plover]

Or smth

I'm with Parliament

[lime light]

we were top guild on the server

[junior plover]

Smaller guild

[lime light]

and i was 3rd mage there

3rd on the server

ofc

[junior plover]

Not feral

[lime light]

good times

[junior plover]

[lime light]

ye, i had no friends to play classic

so there was no way

to start a feral

in classic

😄

now its something else

[junior plover]

I lucked out and somehow found a guild that wanted kitty

[lime light]

i know ppl, and they know me

so i can play whatever

i want o

[junior plover]

Kitty was top3 dps spec in phase 3

Higher than mage

So

Worked out

[lime light]

add me on bnet

tianton#2260

[edgy shale]

everyone add el patron!!

[tall knoll]

I quit classic after like 5-6 weeks of maxx raiding

[lime light]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sweat-monkas-monka-eyes-gif-10994127

[tall knoll]

But yeah mid-aq was the time where i ran out of stuff to do and raid-logged as well

[junior plover]

Will do when I'm on pc

I would play aq and naxx

But

Feral fell to like top6 dps

With 10x the effort

So eh

[lime light]

lil scout ofc

[tall knoll]

My twink is a bear/feral. I know the pain

Gnomeregan

[lime light]

XD

[junior plover]

[lime light]

its nerfed/changed in tbc

the weapon gives haste

[tall knoll]

Thank god xD

[junior plover]

Ye the pain is over

[lime light]

and the tier 4 set is 20 energy on hit sometimes

dunno whats the rpm on it

[tall knoll]

Naxx is where feral started to get nice gear options. Some aq40 items as well if you had a raid spot i suppose

[junior plover]

Iirc

You want tier 4 2piece

Until end of tbc

[lime light]

u guys know whats the first thing

[junior plover]

It's really good

[lime light]

we gonna do in bc

farm the rep

KEKW

for weapon

[junior plover]

[tall knoll]

2 weeks. Then raidlog again

[junior plover]

First thing we'll do is hit kitty glad

I'll offrole rogue u offrole mage we'll be unstoppable

[lime light]

double feral 2s

[tall knoll]

Also NO WBUFFS!

[lime light]

rogue feral is best feral comp

in 2s

in s1*

[junior plover]

Ye ikr

[lime light]

i also think, feral is super good

the point is, ppl were too bad

to play it properly

back in the days

[junior plover]

Feral is probably underrated but we'll see

Also final patch balance

[tall knoll]

Frost mage gets even more annoying as well though. We will see

[lime light]

just fix ressi on dots

cant lose to mage as feral

[junior plover]

Maybe feral could be good into rmp

[lime light]

it will be

if u play guardian

so just bear form whole game

[junior plover]

Deep feral is pretty much bear

Just like in classic

[lime light]

yup

[junior plover]

There's like 5 diff talents

You dot the rogue

You break slows and roots

You sit in bear

[lime light]

ye but the bear dot kinda no dam

and rip is only 12 sec

[junior plover]

Even smallest ticks

Break stealth

So w/e

Even moonfire

Probably why restokin is so good tbh

[lime light]

ye but u have to kill them at some point

KEKW

[junior plover]

[lime light]

i think fls or fmp gonna be rly good

but jungle might be super bad

[junior plover]

I was thinking FLS or FLP

[lime light]

cuz hunters arent great

[junior plover]

Idk about fmp

Maybe kitty cleave

[lime light]

prolly ye

[tall knoll]

Fls?

[junior plover]

Lock

[lime light]

hunter is only good for viper sting KEKW

[junior plover]

Shaman

[lime light]

and if there is a druid in enemy 🙂

[tall knoll]

Ah lock i see

[junior plover]

Yeah u can play like

Spriest hunter

Meme comp

It ooms even druid

[lime light]

honestly

[junior plover]

Because it's so fast

[lime light]

it feels like everything can be good with feral

at this point

cuz u can heal a lot

your cc is broken

[tall knoll]

Well im a mage in classic. My friend is a rogue. Hard choice what we are gonna play

[junior plover]

[lime light]

damage is good

the only problem is

mana

XD

[junior plover]

I mean

Problem is

Just play restokin

[lime light]

i heard about some rings

[junior plover]

Mana is actually not bad

In tbc arena

Feral

[lime light]

that gives insane insane insane mana regen

[junior plover]

Watch some gameplay

They hover around 80%

All game

[lime light]

but they dont play properly

[junior plover]

Probably true

[lime light]

like its not gonna be a pserver meta

its gonna evolve

[junior plover]

I mean

[lime light]

even more

same as classic

[junior plover]

Maybe hybrid healing gear

Will work on feral

Kitty cleave with sham

And kitty is half heal

Sounds good to me

[tall knoll]

Define "work" xD

[junior plover]

Double healer warrior was a legit comp

Idk about now

But maybe

[lime light]

ye

i think the point is, feral + healer and any dps that can do insane damgur

gonna be good

[tall knoll]

The biggest joke about classic raiding as druid was, that most of your kit you didnt even use

[junior plover]

Yeah it was pretty sad

[tall knoll]

Because of debuff limit on bosses, hots pushing off wbuffs

[junior plover]

But hot haters

Were nasty tryhards

Top guilds used druid hots

Over fucking 100hp elixirs

And shit like that

[tall knoll]

I only spammed healing touch for 3 phases as resto. And provided innervate for priests lmao

[junior plover]

But those sweaties couldn't believe u can use hots

Like if u check top bwl speedruns from ph3

[tall knoll]

My guild wasnt even tryhard. But we still used wbuffs of course

[junior plover]

It's all druid hots

Idk about later phases

Because I didn't follow

But I'd expect druids in naxx to be regrowth spec

[tall knoll]

Stopped raiding as healer after bwl. No idea honestly

[junior plover]

Kitty bleeds unusable because of debuff limit?

Not even

They were just a dps loss

[tall knoll]

Either way you dont use them xD

[junior plover]

Yep

[tall knoll]

Feral druid was the most complex dps to play. For mediocre dps

Shapeshifting, innervate, pummel, fully wbuffed druid. Does 70% dmg of a warrior that cant even press sunder

[junior plover]

True

But that one time I beat all the mages in raid

Was well worth it

WHO'S THE MEME SPEC NOW

[lime light]

mage was insane phase 1, but i heard not so great in 2nd

[junior plover]

Yeah it picked back up in aq with fire

[lime light]

they were good when respeced to fire

was it phase 4?

[junior plover]

Yep

Cuz BWL was fire immune

On like 5 bosses

[tall knoll]

Yeah in aq. But all the threat of ignite going on 1 person was stupid

[lime light]

lil ashbringer ofc

[junior plover]

❤️

Wonder if anyone in my guild knows ya ass

[lime light]

dont know, if they played since begining they might be

[tall knoll]

My old guild lead still doesnt have tf after 1.5 years of killing geddon

[junior plover]

U know Mad Loot?

[tall knoll]

Thats the real classic experience

[junior plover]

[lime light]

no one is botting ofc

[junior plover]

[tall knoll]

I still cant get over the fact, that mages were just fly-botting zg boosts for months

[junior plover]

Fun times

[tall knoll]

Thats so easy to detect as programmer. Like what the heck

[junior plover]

I gotta finish my mage before prepatch

So I can self boost

[lime light]

i legit could boost on my mage, but when i log it, iam insta bored

[tall knoll]

Might as well level a prot pali

[lime light]

played it tooooooooo much

way toooo much

[junior plover]

Mage players

[lime light]

it was fun kinda

u could legit

aoe whole party

lmao

[tall knoll]

I grinded 3 months in maraudon for blade of eternal darkness

[junior plover]

U don't know the sapper meta

That developed?

[lime light]

not rly

[junior plover]

People would mount run into huge groups

And all sapper charge

At once

Wiping the entire raid

[lime light]

lol

ok look

[viscid remnant]

Rmx mains

[lime light]

that was only pahse 1

till bwl

lmao

[junior plover]

[tall knoll]

Having 10 mages that spam AE afterwards helps as well

[edgy shale]

[junior plover]

U know minibang tho

Right?

The ally rogue ganker

[lime light]

ye

but he wasnt well know

when i was still playing a lot

[junior plover]

Phase 3 he exploded in popularity

There was a

1000 chat reaction screenshots catalog

On the discord

Or smth

He would sit in org all day every day

Kill a buffed guy and die

Repeat

[lime light]

the only screen shot i have left smh LMAO

i think we pulled almost whole room smh

i also got few clips from world pvp meta

where we were killing whole raid grps

lmao

but when i hear myself there

[junior plover]

Good fucking times

[lime light]

i cringe inside

[junior plover]

[lime light]

i hate my voice

[junior plover]

Don't we all

[lime light]

i think we do

[junior plover]

I only rolled Ashbringer and Druid because my server of choice had 8h queues

[lime light]

firemaw?

[junior plover]

Great decision

Yeah i think so

Not sure

[lime light]

i wanted to play on it too

[junior plover]

Glad I chose a smaller server in the end

[lime light]

but then changed to some other

the server was rly big

when i was playing

tbh

[junior plover]

I mean

[lime light]

but maybe all of them were big haha