i kinda feel the kyrian one deag
#pvp
jovial pine
venthyr is strictly for frost rn
lime light
no
jovial pine
after 9.0.5 it works for arcane aswell
jovial pine
it falls short for fire in comparison to both kyrian and night fae
lime light
no
edgy shale
go venthyer
lime light
i dont even know whats the m+ affix
jovial pine
^
lime light
the ssn one
edgy shale
i went venthyr rogue its so fucking bad for its worth cuz i get to be a diff cov
jovial pine
night fae/ kyrian
edgy shale
how on eartth did flagellate get into theg ame in current form
edgy shale
yea it is thats why i went venthyr but seriously how is this in the game
the wild thing is just that if u don't reactivate it, u dont' get the haste buff AND its on gcd like why
safe heart
This is kinda random but do you guys know any active alliance pvp guilds? willing to server xfer
safe heart
Im trying to maximize my networking potential for partners
i have a handful of priests but cant get anyone to commit to anything
lime light
kinda sucks that spark is arcane school
aye?
but how come the nf spell is on neutral
lime light
are u just flaming the worst class in the game
edgy shale
yeah
safe heart
mages always edging for that bust smh
edgy shale
el patron, i decided rogues are better than feral druids
@lime light
proud?
also while im rambling i might as well add orc is fuckin priviledge
lime light
thats true
imagine that
that feral and survi are bad
thats what whaz said
and jungle is good but its bad
maiden wraith
whats the best legendary for balance?
maiden wraith
oh ok ty! ๐
barren raven
How many ilvls is it worth to drop to gain versa? I could replace two 226 pieces with 213 and 207 pieces to gain versa (the 226 pieces have no versa).
Would you consider it worth it to gain that extra vers?
pallid coral
Apparently Drake is currently levelling a feral after qing into zev yesterday
Also people starting to play BM jungle
lavish pagoda
tiny oar
Haste vs mastery?
Vers main priority, haste and mastery both good, haste just till what feels nice and for specific clone timing breakpoints if ur close to like another .1s off clone cast. Mast is good for just raw healing thruput.
balmy vortex
rsham + feral
whats the gameplan vs sub fire?
lime light
u dont rly wanna play with rsham
but if u play, u can gaspedal the rogue, or just go for a mage with shaman purges on shields
and stop the polly/ring after rogue cheap shot/kidney on shaman
bascilly dont die
balmy vortex
does interrupting soul rot take priority over unstable affliction
vs affliction lock
balmy vortex
yeah but it sets up his big boy bursts
which is why i ask
obv that aside if you dont interrupt affliction you die
sinful forge
My buddy who plays affliction always just says to kick the spelll right after soul rot
half saddle
Hello, does anyone have any good feral comp experiences besides kitty and jungle?
pallid coral
FMP
haughty compass
If you kick soul rot he still has his burst after itโs off int lol
half saddle
@pallid coral alright ๐
analog granite
feral mm
half saddle
Fps = feral, pala, sp?
brisk charm
Anyone know a decent RBG discord?
clear pulsar
FPS is feral priest sham
Spr rsham
@half saddle
Altho yeah prob good or better with hpal instead
half saddle
Ah, alright :)
clear pulsar
Just depends on matchup prob
analog granite
o i though jungle was feral surv
lime light
jungle is any hunter spec
analog granite
i see
half saddle
How are you guys generally playing feral?
I'm struggling with dmg output, especially when I'm the target as it forces me to bear vs melee cleaves. I understand a symbiotic relationship with the healer is needed. But against melee cleaves, getting caught in catform is really punishing!
I'm a new-old returning SL player, I believe I'm a bit caught in previous expansion mechanics, where cyclone was on rotation^^
And thanks for the composition input
clear pulsar
Drag the melees away from their healer, out of line of sight, then they either follow you and you stun into burst, or they let you be and you can restealth, stun healer, come back in and burst also.
tranquil geyser
is there any dr on versatility I should avoid reaching or i should go full conquest ?
clear pulsar
If you're being hit you control the positioning of the fight, especially against melees
clear pulsar
is there any dr on versatility I should avoid reaching or i should go full conqu...
There is some level of diminishing returns to all secondaries but it's irrelevant for this season
tranquil geyser
thanks
tranquil geyser
How are you guys generally playing feral?
I'm struggling with dmg output, espe...
my strat in v2 with healer is living by convoke
as in, I try to bait defensives and medalion, then wait dr, cc one, stun kill other
as double dps is also a factor but i dont save as much
half saddle
@clear pulsar thanks for the input! this should work well a disc priest catching their healer with a fear.
@tranquil geyser ah yes, I however feel that with higher rating, people expect the convoke far more. Been looking at kyrian lately to have more sustainable dps/more goes
tranquil geyser
agree
im strugling with that myself
hpala never need to trink unless my healer gets him on a good cc chain while I berzerk
good times when I could rake and the dude would medalion + bubble + hs stormwind
half saddle
@tranquil geyser Hehe, yes hpala is tricky, indeed! :)
lime light
kill him
tranquil geyser
assert dominance
balmy vortex
uh huh
to beat the opponent make their hp go to 0 and dont let your own hp go to 0
i see
analog granite
clone them and convoke their partner ๐
balmy vortex
jokes aside i get that im supposed to kill him but how is the question
as dk i can just tunnel dps and grip the resto for setups and kill him then
as feral i dont quite understand how to transition from tunneling dps to killing healer yet
i have p shit gear and i cant seem to really get them to be scared from a single 4 second stun
tranquil geyser
but you mean resto druid in particular ? they re not harden that other healers
hybernate can annoy you, but you can flash out of beast to counter that
also keep an eye for kicking cyclone if you can set a kill. it stops his heals
he will curse you out loud if you do it
junior plover
wtf do i do vs resto druid
Its difficult af
who are you playing with?
You very rarely need to swap to a rdruid, just keep pumping his dps and forcing the dps to los
so he drops his pillar
then you need your healer to setup cc as you go on the kill target
by far the hardest healer to play against if they're good imo
true hound
Im not sure what the moon and stars talent does exactly, the way im reading it is that it gives a 70% reduction in silence and interupts but i thougt i meant a 70% chance to not get kicked or silenced
weak hinge
@true hound it reduces the time you get locked out by kick by 70%
true hound
ok thnx
normal cloud
Hi guys! As a NF Boat Boomy in v2 I have trouble getting setups because it take too much time to get into eclipse and then convoke, do you have some advice on that matter?
balmy vortex
who are you playing with?
I'm playing with rsham (yes I know comp isnt optimal but I'll worry about comps when I can play feral at a non shit lvl) so he can purge hots and hex resto if i bash him first
Thanks for the advice
I figured it was like this
harsh jasper
Does Well Honed Instincts proc in cat form if you have bear affinity? Or only in bear form?
I am using Dreamweaver for tank/FC RBGs and im starting to think Niya is better...for the mastery dump when casting convoke.
I think its Gaurdian only from the tooltip
balmy vortex
It always procs and you can use it in any spec
Any form
Insane conduit
Love it lots
harsh jasper
interesting
So what comp are these 2400+ bear tanks in 3s running? Im trying to figure out how that works
dusky wraith
im running NOW with bear tank in rbgs, and my god its making me unkillable
with the conduit and talent to reduce barkskin CD, and well honed instincts, I can frenzied regen like... 8 times a minute
fleet raptor
Whatโs Vers Cap in Arena?
harsh jasper
im running NOW with bear tank in rbgs, and my god its making me unkillable
what 2 classes are you running with?
tropic panther
is korayn any good as boomkin in rbgs?
it seems like it would be really good for bursting FC and for the aoe damage
cold escarp
any tips for landing kills outside of CA in 3s? i feel like outside of CA i do zero pressure
haughty compass
The guardians you are looking at likely only play it in RBGs dude
clear pulsar
it seems like it would be really good for bursting FC and for the aoe damage
It's completely useless
The buff doesn't proc twice on same target ever
Unless you relog
You don't reset it dropping combat, if you die, if they die, nothing
Niya is 100% better
dusky wraith
what 2 classes are you running with?
Im running rbgs
stray sigil
ppl on reddit really out there trying to say that rdru is worse than mw
clear pulsar
ppl on reddit really out there trying to say that rdru is worse than mw
How tho
How can you juggle that inside your brain
hushed bluff
I have 33% vers.
fluid elk
I really hate being sent on a solo mission in an rbg as a balance druid, it just feels like I'm missing on so much dmg and can't really do anything against any melee because anything I try they interrupt.
vital parcel
depends if u used ur cds or not imo
fluid elk
CDs end up being a waste of a cd everytime
clear pulsar
There's only 1 interrupt
Tho
If you pull help and you're in a 1v2, 1v3, you did your job
I mean I get it
Some people just wanna blast their dmg rotation
And that's like 80% of rbgers
Can't do anything else on the map to win the game except blast dam
green valve
You can solo cap on most classes without killing if you wanna save cds
Root beam a dh they have to trinket
Cyclone and hope hes far enough to not hit
Doesnt work run and wait till root beams back
tepid spoke
what are thoughts on ilvl scaling in pvp
tepid spoke
was wod pvp good? i thought everyone said it was bad, i didnt play pvp in wod
or was that legion
green valve
You had if i remember a grace period inbetween each season to grind the new honor set
stray sigil
@clear pulsar that guy said to me
green valve
Then youd get the conq set
stray sigil
mw have better defensives
green valve
Then that was it
stray sigil
and can acuslly heal
clear pulsar
Stop arguing on reddit
green valve
The pvp was ok the gear system was good tho
Hard to follow up mop tho when pvp was a blast
stray sigil
no dude that guys got 2800 multiglad handle
and hes spewing nonesense
that shit triggers me
lime light
iam sure
rdru isnt that bad
as ppl think
its already ukillable in 2s
if u play properly
the only issue with rdru is mana
and its a big issue
green valve
The 12% rejuv buff coming in will be nice right?
Pallys gonna start ooming like a mfer too
solemn yoke
The class that can stealth drink does not need better consistent mana
That just sounds like a headass solution
foggy ravine
verdant buff helps rdruid mana too though
stray sigil
its just ur typical artistic bias player
saying his class is the worst
but he got glad on it so hes one of the best actually
thin cipher
this might be a dumb question but do you need to hit an enemy with a spell before casting convoke or will convoke automatically hit in range targets
fresh tangle
Guys thinking of dusting off my resto alt to play casually? are they horrible in the current meta or is it just at the highest level arent picked much? also how are ferals? I mainly play 2s
minor galleon
Can you play Jungle with an H Pal?
junior plover
I'm playing with rsham (yes I know comp isnt optimal but I'll worry about comps ...
Make sure shaman spams purge on the kill target pre go
rigid linden
@thin cipher hit them to be sure, I've seen times convoke just heals cause you ain't in comb w players
thin cipher
<@108941146410979328> hit them to be sure, I've seen times convoke just heals ca...
Thanks, that's what I was thinking
clear pulsar
this might be a dumb question but do you need to hit an enemy with a spell befor...
It'll hit targets who are in combat
Yeah
Like formy said
Just hit them to be sure
desert mantle
And kyrian boomies want to share their openers?
Been comparing kyrian/night fae boomies (I have one of each) and my kyrian does a little less than half the pew as my night fae, and I know convoke is ridiculous op
But I feel like I'm doing something wrong
chrome panther
as kyrian boomy you essentially just cc and peel until your 1min burst is up
desert mantle
Ok don't laugh lol
/use primary stats trink
/cast lone empowerment
/cast fury of elune
wrath-wrath = full AP and eclipse -> starsurges
chrome panther
so your better off waiting to fury until your in eclipse
not to get to eclipse faster
^
if playing with ele/fmage, you want to hold eclipse until your mate is ready
desert mantle
kk
will try that now
Just messing around on a dummy with some "not accurate to pvp situations" armchair dps testing that brought it from just under half nigh fae dps to just over night fae dps, so that's an improvement of about 10k in my burst which is good
I'm struggling to find reasons to play a kyrian druid though, I made one just to try it out since Icy Veins is all about the kyrian, and I'll definitely give them the benefit of a doubt that I'm a dummy and totally missing something
chrome panther
kyrian is dependable burst every minute with absurd burst every 3 mins
NF is RNG and forces a bad playstyle (imo)
desert mantle
Yeah I agree, but peak Kyrian burst I've managed to get in ideal conditions is 50k-60k so far. The dependability is great and for longer matches it's sweet because you can just slowly eat away at people who have to wait for cooldowns, but as long as it's still possible to get convokes off b/c people aren't good enough at interrupting them at the arena brackets I play at, it's 60k vs 120k
I agree 100% it's bad playstyle haha
And bound to get nerfed, and become less viable at higher brackets meaning you're shooting yourself in the foot depending on that instead of learning something you'll use later
chrome panther
at 2.6 convoke is honestly a bad meme and it only does something when you rng into 6 starsurges in 1.5 seconds
desert mantle
Yeah man I'll be happy if I break 2k. Hell I'll be happy if I break 1.8k. My 2's partner is a DK lol
We have an uphill battle
chrome panther
tho it is hilarious when playing with ele and he just gets to freecast all game because of the threat of convoke
desert mantle
Are there kyrian boomie streamers or youtubers? They're all NF or Supatease who's necro I think
bitter harness
isnt supatease kyrian?
chrome panther
i think there's actually more NF than kyrian for balance above 2.4
But part of that is likely how broken NF is for pve.
i mean
2.4 is like
98th percentile or some shit
desert mantle
Shit Supatease is kyrian, I was watching his YT channel and he was Necro in the guides he posted a month ago
chrome panther
yeah but 98% of wows population are windowlickers
desert mantle
Or I'm blind one of the two
rigid linden
Funny how y'all talk about convoke like that smh
Works at 3k for me.still
Just gotta believe the hunt
desert mantle
@vestal citrus ty very muchly
junior plover
Arms Hpal went from my least favorite matchup to one of my favorites
thank mr holy priest
radiant nimbus
when I do solar + roots my convoke does hit this target?
dawn sierra
For resto druid necro is the only play for arena, right?
junior plover
just made sure to clarify
weak hinge
@dawn sierra yes. Everything else gets fucked by purge
dawn sierra
Thanks. My druid is an alt for now, but if I like it enough I might main swap from my hpal. Issue is I play arena but also keys and it seems like balance affinity heart of the wild convoke chicanery is maybe a big deal in keys
Yeah we're not huge key pushers, just what we can get on off nights or whatever. Right now just doing like 15-16s. I do like 1.5k overall most keys on hpal though and I figure without convoke I have no chance of hitting that on rdruid.
weak hinge
Convoke is Great for m+ emergency healing
Or hotw pumping some full moons. But swarm does good dps haha
rain field
how the fuck do yall do anything while getting trained as boomie
half the time I just find myself in bear the entire time
sonic plover
anyone here good with scripts?
I am trying to make friendly nameplates ehm, thicker
/run C_NamePlate.SetNamePlateFriendlySize(50, 80)
when I cnage the 80 nothing happens
thoughed it was thickness, and the other one width, which it is
but thickness I dont know how to change that
if anyone know? ๐
clear pulsar
Like height?
/console NamePlateVerticalScale
Try that
Default is 1
Just do 1.5 or something
true hound
should i go korayn for RBG? and what conduits/ legendary is bis *boomy
im at 2020 Cr and want to push higher
spiral lichen
yo how the fuck do you kill a disc preist
or are they on the same level as mage for being unkillable
like do they only die in kill set ups
weary storm
Lol mages die all the time
true hound
boomy
i run conflux in rbgs but the only time i get value is from cnvoke
and if i get kicked
its useless
true hound
bro its an rbg
spiral lichen
post nerf they do its just rolling with the joke of "i literally cant die"
true hound
AM isnt always aligned with me, although i try to as often as I can. just wondering if the wowhead guide was good
thin cipher
lmao
true hound
grand mesa
lol
blissful belfry
true hound
thx
cerulean token
Hey guys Im trying boomkin and when I convoke its mostly heals, why does that happen? I'm in moonkin form and pop CA
bitter harness
Isn't it that the target just needs to be incl combat? Not necessarily with you
I've "accidentally" killed people in war mode
Yea
cerulean token
Glyph I appreciate the info. I feel like I've seen moonkins come out of stealth convoking in form. So in my mind that takes a global of moonkin form and then a spell to enter combat, is that true?
edgy shale
Glyph I appreciate the info. I feel like I've seen moonkins come out of stealth ...
u can CA which puts u in form off gcd
CA doesn't put u in boomy? thats weird AF
my b i've only played incarn in pvp
lol every time i try to answer a boomy question im wrong
when am i gonna learn
cerulean token
Now I get it! So all those arena boomkins are taking that
ANyone here lpay RBGs? Main reason I'm going balance over feral which I prefer
edgy shale
ye. i do that exact thing. im a feral main who plays balance only in rbg
woven hinge
Feral Druid pvp guide for shadowlands?
edgy shale
yeah, just tell them shit like dont fuck up the stun dr
thats the most annoying thing to me with no comms
war just spamming stormbolt on CD and not letting me set anything up
forest kite
I keep going vs double ret adn wait out everything in bear form adn heal myself and thorn
and still get one shot
lol
edgy shale
yea ur not wrong. up to me to play around his mongo play especialyl when its so predictable lol
safe heart
i guess my issue is i feel like i can never finish the kill without the other guy helping me cc
true hound
i read the guide, but i still have a question. i usually play warrior of elune in rbgs, because i like using it as an execute, is it comparable to natures balance?
and my other question is, i have been playing fury of elune instead of solstace as well
is that aight?
safe heart
also the guy im playing with at this moment doesnt speak english fluently it doenst seem so
thats a struggle
ebon vortex
what spec
forest kite
balance
flint flower
In rbgs, are resto druids more team healers or tank healers?
Oh I see
So if there is a pally and a shaman Iโd be fc then since shaman heals the team better?
Ok cool, thanks for the info!
Yeah I got that one. What would you switch it out for in tank healing situations tho?
Oh really? Dang lol
Well I guess it makes it easier not having to remember to switch
The other standard talents reactive resin and high winds?
verbal sentinel
Did rdruid playstyle change at all in 2s since bfa? Just coming back to it
Also looking for a solid guide if possible I donโt see one in pins
forest kite
any tips vs resto shams? my convoke gets stopped by them super often, I'm tracking abilities but they always seem to have something and when they don't their partner does
vale coyote
damn hes good
weary storm
im trying to get into pvp alot more but i have a resto druid and resto shaman im wanting to do rbgs and arena not sure which would be a better choice
edgy shale
both are good, whichever u enjoy more
resto is technically better in the meta, but just play wat u find fun
resto shaman lol
edgy shale
weary storm
lol i can understand they are both good in their own right i just havnt really gotten use to either of them yet
edgy shale
if u have literally 0 preference u might as well go w/ the meta pick then
altho resto coudl be meta nect patch
tiny oar
They're both good pick whichever u vibe with more
weary storm
been both sadly lol
safe heart
shaman is meta
resto drruid can be good but youre going to have to try harder for the same results
shaman can grab a warrior and zug zug thru most of the ladder
resto druid will need you to play better in general
so if you want an easier time, id pick shaman
edgy shale
altho resto coudl be meta nect patch
this resto is resto druid
i hope to god no1 saw that edit
tiny oar
Lol
edgy shale
slow socket
i'm torn between boomkin and ele sham. which do you guys think is stronger overall?
yeah
i think maybe boomkin is a little easier to play
both are very fun
true
green valve
Damn homies
Been watching peaky blinders up to season 4
HIGHLY RECOMMEND
Shows incredible
lime light
Not true
Ele is braindead also one of the best classes in the game
Boomkin is also braindead, but if u wanna Play IT at high lvl u need to Play properly
slow socket
I'm not seeing it... Ele is definitely not braindead
west laurel
Yeah there is Big diff between good and vad Ele imo lel
edgy shale
tats every class
stray sigil
whats diff between good and bad condem warrior
edgy shale
some never use rally
but ya that's prob the most braindeada class except dh
not rally i mean
intervene
i mean ig uess rally too tbh
edgy shale
add bladestorm and i full agree
lime light
warrior is more skill than ele
tiny oar
Same
edgy shale
weak hinge
someone got a WA that shows when Kindred Spirits buff is missing? Would like it to also work for PvE so it doesnt perma trigger because i dont use lone empowerement but bonding to another DPS there
forest kite
Ok so I was considering stuff for arena, from rdruid standpoint
to sum it up, I'm thinking about which stats to put on legendaries moving forward, as a pvp only player
I've put haste versa at the start of the expansion, but I'm considering putting haste mastery moving forward, since I already surpassed the 30% versa mark, where the diminishing return start to kick in
What do you think? am I overthinking it?
weak hinge
get vers. its better.
edgy shale
yes ur overthinking
exotic wolf
yep overthinking.
our heals are strong if people play accordingly to burst phases
with the coming buffs in 9.0.5 you won't need any more mastery
heals will get insane
im getting more haste instead of versa
to get faster clones
forest kite
I mean I can get 5 hots with our basic stuff, 6 with WG
exotic wolf
on gems and enchants
forest kite
I'm full haste gems and enchants, 18% haste 31% versa with BM trinket
adaptive swarm + cenarion+lifebloom+x2 rejuv
plus regrowth plus WG
how is mastery not good after we hit 30% versa?
exotic wolf
nobody said it's not good.
forest kite
with the insignia I go up to 21% haste
exotic wolf
in the end it's your choice if you want to do it.
I, for myself, think it's not needed atm
edgy shale
is insig good for healers?
forest kite
it's very situational
I can use it as spell cleave vs teams that cannot kill me
like turbo with a hpala (with disc I can die)
exotic wolf
dunno man
if you play only pvp, and only rdruid
just build that legendary with those stats
dont throw away the other one and oyu can swap as you like
easy as that
forest kite
I'm thinking about rdruid pvp legendaries mainly so yea
lime light
rdru already best healer in the game
forest kite
swiftmend one and dark titan's
exotic wolf
what? who's crying in here?
lime light
exotic wolf
go away if you seek drama
edgy shale
this is el patron's channel so please respect him. He is joking though
forest kite
xd
surreal heron
forest kite
I'll give u 1 stat
edgy shale
its true thyme
tiny oar
Ya prolly doesn't matter too much but like think in theory of what an extra 2% mastery means thruput wise
I put on 1 haste mast ring and went from 30>27 vers for 5>7% mast fully hotted that's an extra 10% healing difference for like very little vers downgrade
Vs like .40x3% vers healing thoughput
weak hinge
kyrian boomers do you prefer 2 endurance or 1 endruance 1 finesse for tireless pursuit?
tiny oar
Idk makes sense 2 me but also just break ankles n dont worry about min maxing stats like dat much
edgy shale
why haven't u written ur breaking ankles guide yet?
tiny oar
I am noob havent even actually queued this ssn maybe if I have an actual LSD shit will happen
lime light
vaseline
tiny oar
Ur so weird patron
exotic wolf
now i want to listen to ice cube no vaseline
lime light
not weird
edgy shale
what ur interpreting as "weird" is actually just pure power and knowledge radiating out of him
i feel it too
lime light
junior plover
tiny oar
I'm gonna lose my mind
exotic wolf
sinful canyon
why are things like fmp and jungle strong?
i understand from the dps perspective, but why priest over pala etc
junior plover
Priest has an easier time applying long cc chains
And has more burst damage
FMPala is very good too tho
lime light
cuz hpal can q better comps
junior plover
edgy shale
sinful canyon
edgy shale
pala main cc is stun. feral main cc is stun
i guess fear/clone is a thing
who knows
junior plover
Its the same reason as RMP
Priest can keep someone locked down by himself for longer
lime light
but in this meta, u rly wanna cover the 2nd dps that is mostly a healer also (ret/enh/feral/intervener)
so the pala stun is good
junior plover
And Mindgames is big dik
lime light
mindgames are super big, even tho disc mindgames are stealth nerfed
cuz of the disc pvp aura
sinful canyon
yeah that makes sense
sinful canyon
i guess thats why ive seen high cr feral players experimenting with h priest too
junior plover
Seems unintended that holy would have more burst
sinful canyon
hpriest stun
junior plover
Hpriest is much better in 2s than disc imo
Especially with feral
And it's just so simple to play
You never leave the kill target
sinful canyon
yeah it definitely seems great in 2s
lime light
there are 2 problems with disc:
-first melee cleaves based on venthyr arms warrior
-facing hpal, and being on a clock (mana issue)
sinful canyon
why is disc more common than holy in 3s?\
junior plover
2 schools of heals
Pain suppression in cc
Holy priest would get bodied vs rmp
Or turbo
sinful canyon
Ahh pain supp in cc
lime light
its good vs teams that gonna kill u
also the next thing is, no aoe instant healing
outside the shitty 1 min cd
thing
to keep up the pet
junior plover
Yeah holy also has a much lower heal throughput
And when u gotta heal 3 people
You just can't keep up
lime light
i can see hpriest being super good for bm jungle
cuz u can do pet stun trap
and next go
junior plover
But I think Snupy hit 3k with holy jungle
lime light
priest stun into trap
junior plover
So it's def viable
sinful canyon
Hunter feral works so well due to mortal strike effect and reliable cc right
With trap
junior plover
Yep
Feral is traditionally a setup spec
Similar to rogues
It relies on good cc chains to score kills
sinful canyon
And mage is of course similar just with dmg and good cross cc
lime light
feral isnt similar to rogue
junior plover
sinful canyon
Setup hard
junior plover
if they die, it was a good set up
lime light
honestly, iam nf on alt druid, and legit the rng of the feral convoke is so trash for me, i would swap my alt to kyrian right after, i cycloned one guy and my partner feared 2dps and i convoked for heals
but i want nf comsetics
so i will keep it
sinful canyon
I'm raiding or I would prob swap
lime light
convoke should be reworked for feral, make it always X bites
so it wont kill someone in 2sec
junior plover
The rng is meh but what I hated most about NF, looking back now
junior plover
Was how some matchups were 100% unwinnable unless the opponent made a massive mistake
Like warr pala
lime light
and if u get tunneled by melee cleave
u gonna kite whole game
and convoke is almost useless
thats why convoke is gaining more value
when u q with mage or sp
convoke from down town
can be juice
junior plover
Ye i think FMP with convoke
Is pretty juicy
I wouldn't play it in anything else tho
Maaaaybe jungle
sinful canyon
Very cool how convoke just turns to shit vs any class with pets
sinful canyon
No u gotta pray for bites and pray they hit the target
Such a lame design
Convoke in general
edgy shale
feral pvp is definitely more RNG than it should be. even if ur kyrian ur kinda just praying for enormous bites
crits man
rogues get AUTOcrit
lime light
man iam rly thinking about making the most agresive healer in the game
for next ssn
and boost ppl
for gold
edgy shale
boost me for gold el patron
exotic wolf
oof
edgy shale
patron come to na and ill donate
lime light
venthyr hpal is the play
i guess
put the red shit
and spam damgur
no one at 1.8k can outheal that dam
exotic wolf
how would your "most aggressive healer" look like
weak hinge
i cant decide between dreambinder and BOAT.. i feel like dreambinder is easier to play?
edgy shale
i just played against a boosty group w/ an hpal and he took the bursto leggo and did more dps than anyone
weak hinge
because GO is whenever during eclipse
lime light
@exotic wolf u mean a class?
hpal prolly
cuz u can use your cds in agressive way
disc could do that too i think
but hpal is just better cuz hard cc on a healer
big instant heals
easy to survive double dps teams, witth partner being a donki kong
same with rogue or survi hunter, when u boost as dps
u win in opener
the 1min rogue with step sis
super good too prolly
exotic wolf
yeah, those rogue booster I already encountered. killed some of those rats
boosting makes you a lot of money these days
should consider that too
lime light
if they keep the lego pattern like
grey item from ah + soul ash + recepe
i need gold
monkaS
bitter harness
Leather legendaries are bullshit
lime light
true
pliant kindle
any opinion on which druid spec would fare best with affliction lock in 2s? thinking about what legendary to craft and which spec to focus on
pliant kindle
tyvm for the info :)
lyric ocean
Hah ran into a spriest aff yesterday it was not a fun time ๐
bitter harness
lime light
He could Play ress totem
kindred matrix
do you craft balance of all things on legs or feet
kindred matrix
I thought too but i see multiple people running with it on feet
lyric ocean
If not whatever should be fine ๐ค
They could be identical stat wise however. Perhaps people heading their bets for duo legos
Hedging*
kindred matrix
alright ty
lyric ocean
Ah that makes sense. I would have just been cheap and gone with whatever cost me less gold ๐
kindred galleon
Yeah gold is a thing aswell
balmy vortex
As feral + heal what do I do vs arms hpal
Hitting arms seems counterproductive but pala has a lot of def vs phys dmg
edgy shale
inland light
Just unlocked highmountain - worth the race change from regular tauren?
Horns are bis, so there's that
edgy shale
pretty sure high mountain is just worse than tauren. maybe the stun is good for boomy? idk
twin flax
edgy shale
hehe
inland light
Is the charge a stun or a knockdown? Wondering if its worth trading for stomp > clone
edgy shale
its a stun
real kite
hey, what to do against fire/rogue as balance/rogue?
I just get CC'd by the fire mage into oblivion
bleak vault
Dreambinder is the boomie pvp leggo right?
reduce cost and increase dmg by 5% per stack
clear pulsar
10%
clear pulsar
But yeah Dreambinder good
Especially if you're Kyrian
If you're Night Fae you can use BOAT too
But I think Dreambinder is better personally
bleak vault
yeah i'm nf and been rolling with boat, but dreambinder seems better for arenas
testing
clear pulsar
There's a wowhead guide written by our own GLYPHY
Some breakdown on the leggo choice there
It's in the pins
junior plover
some fucker got mad that I roasted him?
and reported that i wanna kms?
what the fuck
clear pulsar
Bruh yall gotta stop arguing on reddit
tardy hare
lmao
clear pulsar
I opened worldofpvp for 20s
First post I click is complaining about how toxic post-game whispers are
Guy posting is 2.2k+ boosting friends thru combatant
The lack of self awareness is baffling
junior plover
placid mirage
Man I love when I get a post game whisper
blissful belfry
Hehehehehe somesomethese post game whisperer are really dumb tho. I won a game the other day, the 3s ended up in a 2v2 hpal.boomy mirror. I beat the other boomy and then he sent me a storm of whisp about how bad i am and how good he was. Linking 2017 glad title
Like, nice, u were good 4 years ago. Its been a while chum, perhaps you can l2p again
tardy hare
xd
blissful belfry
Guy was legit using convoke middle of the map, no boat window no incarn with my beam available to cut it and he goes on "surprised pikachu" face when i interupt it
GlAdIaToR
junior plover
I kinda get it
when i was convoke i would often be like
yeah theres no setup here
but what if they just die
better than holding it for 5min
modest moat
Convoke is kinda ass in big team fights
blissful belfry
from my own experience, convoke alone is absolute garbage. You have to line it up with something. Even if you dont convoke incarn combo. You at least need to convoke and then incarn 3 surge with the mastery bonus
blissful belfry
to test it out i used convoke in a duel against an isolated dude that pressed no defensive. didnt kill him
i honestly just save convoke an extra min every time and pair it with incarn
grand mesa
I feel like most of my kills is from the mastery buff after convoke ends. Atleast in my bracket
blissful belfry
mastery buff is huge
grand mesa
Ignoring the random RNG moments you accidentally starsurge someone 2-3 times in 1.5s with convoke
blissful belfry
thats what i do when i know i cant cast a convoke. (like, double melees + resto sham or smth) i just convoke out of an eclipse for mastery. bait defensives / cuts / cc. then i time an Incarn boat window mastery buff triple surge in the next 20 sec with my teamate
more effective than trying to calculate if the ennemy team has used their 10 stops or not
clear pulsar
i honestly just save convoke an extra min every time and pair it with incarn
Convoke with a clone on healer, then use root beam setup afterwards with CA and mastery buff
blissful belfry
ya
blissful belfry
but like, convoke when u have a windwalker and a war on your back and a rsham healing them, u aint gettin spells out
clear pulsar
It's putting all your eggs in this one basket that will likely force the same cds and get stopped regardless
blissful belfry
yeah
all the eggs really are in the same basket with incarn convoke
i osten do it on pull in the back line against the healer, but my second incarn / convoke cycle i do a convoke for mastery then incarn 3 surge
exotic wolf
Man I love when I get a post game whisper
I love it when they spit on me while playing arena 
mostly ww and warrior players in 2s
rets too
dusky wraith
Should I swap covenants away from night fae for rbgs as a guardian druid
tardy hare
why would you
dusky wraith
My convoke always gets stopped
exotic wolf
delusional apes
yeah man, from the looks of it this is going to be THE warrior expansion.
Even if they nerf warriors, I don't see them being bad ever this whole expansion.
clear pulsar
dusky wraith
I feel like kyrians have a better neutral game
clear pulsar
You don't need covenants for flag running
tulip falcon
i mean you wont ever get convoke off as a guardian in rbg
use it for the mastery
with niya
tulip falcon
ye
even if u get 0.1 sec of it its still useful
kyrian is sorta better overall but it's not like a massive difference
nf is still nice
dusky wraith
Yeah soulshape is dope too
I've been running tiger dash, and its been real nice for getting away from people
blissful belfry
i have to confess i do spit on some people when i win in arena.
But thats mostly on healer who keep healin and runnin for 2 min after their dps is dead
and rogue mages. cuz they're rogue mages
clear pulsar
I think people get waaaay too emotional at emotes
Like it actually messes with some
It's wild
Like teabagging
junior plover
Just beat a rogue mage where mage was honor level 8
1600
rogue 2400
Poor guys pays a fortune and cant even win
exotic wolf
I faced the same booster three times in a session a few days ago.
that fucker had legit insane burst with his elite weapons.
clear pulsar
Big
chrome panther
meanwhile i've gone 11? weeks and haven't seen weapon once
in any slot mind you, not just pvp
rain field
I fucked up and opened my vault as feral... Got an agi weapon
chrome panther
rain field
I only play boomie
exotic wolf
rip
exotic wolf
lets trade weapons, i want to learn feral now
@tardy hare
teach me senpai
I want spec specific rating
i cba leveling a second druid to play some feral
gearing is shit too
junior plover
Yee i'd like to try resto too
clear pulsar
I think that would be silly
exotic wolf
yeah maybe
but imo it's silly too to force players to stick with one thing only
but well. blizzard is a shitty indie company
native tundra
I've been trying to make boomy rogue work out, but i feel like i don't play it correctly, any tips on comps i should try?
brand new to boomy btw
clear pulsar
Separate spec ratings would only exacerbate the boosting/smurfing issue that people already complain about endlessly
tardy hare
<@!140164607175032832>
teach me senpai
Just win
junior plover
I think that would be silly
Agreed
but i'd still like to play resto
as a new resto rated player
clear pulsar
You can
But instead of smashing thru low rating and forcing players who are way worse than you to suffer thru unwinnable games cuz you're smurfing
You have to suffer thru losing unwinnable games yourself
:)
Can't have your cake and eat it too bud
lime light
@clear pulsar every gamฤ is winnable
deft portal
So feral/disc as Night Fae.....is ww/healer supposed to be a hard counter or am I missing something?
quaint rapids
For NF feral
Is it better to convoke+berserk during a go
It separate them so you have two goes?
Playing symmetry, so I assume convoke would waste the free cp
tough meadow
WW is a huge counter to disc priest
Cause they can just one shot a disc basically even through pain suppression
If they are good
@deft portal
Idk If you have mass entanglement spell, always use it to stop ww clones and his tiger and etc.
As a feral
deft portal
Hmm, didnโt think to mass entangle....and yeah my Disc seems to always get wrecked by the WW.
hardy cargo
Clone the ww/healer as well if you can being able to potentially kill ww yourself or stop his burst via clone is also strong
quaint rapids
Aaaaand 100% parry very 15 seconds
The only real success against ww I have as feral is blowing them up before they open
hardy cargo
The problem with ww for me is the 2 storm,earth,fire charges
Like really, did ww really need 2 charges lmao
deft portal
Is it fists of fury that gives them the parry? Hate going in to maim and it not hitting ๐
forest moss
fists of fury is so strong ๐
haughty compass
Apparently roar too lol
forest moss
they aren't affected by knockbacks are they while channeling?
hardy cargo
Don't think so
Thing is, once monk uses burst they suck until burst is back up
But they have technically 2 bursts. First storm earth fire(can use xuen or wait) and then 2nd charge once they hopefully pulled defensives on first
indigo osprey
what resto leggo for rbgs do you guys run? think verdant is a good choice?
forest moss
I try and save root for those and pillar kite
south siren
does the timeworn dreambinder starsurge dmg increase work on starsurges in convoke?
junior plover
Is it better to convoke+berserk during a go
Berserk is pretty much useless for Convoke
Definitely don't use both at once
shell turret
what resto leggo for rbgs do you guys run? think verdant is a good choice?
Haven't tried that one. I run Mother Tree, synergizes nicely with instant WG and Reactive Resin
naive igloo
can someone help me understand how impactful ashen hollow is? like is standing in it as bad as standing in sanguine (m+) or is it like standing in a normal consecrate (or something in between)
vast vapor
its bad hpal will hit you 15k
naive igloo
on impact or over the duration?
blissful belfry
its a 4min cd that is really really strong, you see ashen allow, you run away and you stay away until its gone
vast vapor
he will just click one button from range for 15k
but does good dmg over the duration too
so never stand in it
naive igloo
wow, so 15k if the initial hit hits and then more DoT?
does it hit even harder as ret?
vast vapor
no the hollow doesnt do initial
naive igloo
oh
vast vapor
but it doubles theri hammer dmg
vast vapor
yes
blissful belfry
as long as the pally can stand in the ashen in see you they can hammer of wrath for up to 15k
naive igloo
sheesh
blissful belfry
so you see ashen on the ground, you go away
naive igloo
XD
blissful belfry
How unkillable are we going to be in later patch with well-honed instinct conduit droppin the cd of auto-regen lower and lower
hardy cargo
How unkillable are we going to be in later patch with well-honed instinct condui...
Rly ? Gimme 10 sec well honed
Be as unkillable as a paladin
blissful belfry
we'll have it every 37,5s at max ilvl, i dont know when that will be tho
but thats like, auto-full hp every go
hardy cargo
Yea, very nice
What abt ursine vigor, any changes to that ? Or just health increases more
indigo osprey
i want to craft mother tree for both rbg and m+. Would you go haste/vers?
or haste/crit and take versa hit for rbg
blissful belfry
on a side note talkin about conduit. i dread the day where ret pal will have divine toll one shot proc for 4 judge at 96% chance...
chrome panther
on a side note talkin about conduit. i dread the day where ret pal will have div...
hey atleast then you know its coming everytime rather than 56% of the time. Maybe then blizzard will pull their head out of the sand and put ret back into the wheelchair redacted class/spec it should be
vapid zodiac
anyone sell rbg carries, im tired of these freakin lame lfgs
chrome panther
sure, only prereq is buying a mickey of vodka for every member of the team 
bitter harness
the best rbg rdruid legendary is respeccing balance
turbid jolt
Wtf is a mickey of vodka
chrome panther
Wtf is a mickey of vodka
canadian slang for 13oz of hard liquor
blissful belfry
hey atleast then you know its coming everytime rather than 56% of the time. Mayb...
tru
true folio
in 2v2 playing fire mage + boomkin (nightfae) what's the ideal setup we should be going for?
blissful belfry
i'd probably rotate it. You could have the mage poly the healer and combust the dps while you re-cc the healer on his trinket with root-beam - clone
or perhaps take feral ff and rake stun the dps on the open
and next go is yours after they pop their defensive/trink on combust
CC healer into convoke
i have only played a few games of boomy mage with a sub-par pvp mage friend tho
pretty sure there are actual good players out there who have good set-ups
blissful belfry
yeah, i personally wouldnt take it
i'd prolly take bash before feral aff if i want a stun
and hard cast root beam
but firemage boomy you're missing stuns on the kill target to secure the burst
tranquil geyser
which you guys think is the best sec for feral in pvp after vers ***: mast or crit ?
stray sigil
vers > mas > crit > has