They're all getting carried
#pvp
junior plover
I literally couldn't care less about rbg rating being inflated
junior plover
It's just funny to me
clear pulsar
junior plover
I like making fun of it
clear pulsar
I have plenty more
clear pulsar
Look up the guild Bloodboùnd on Sargeras NA
junior plover
That a lot of players dislike
clear pulsar
Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining at all
Let all the pveers get their free ilvl upgrades from rbgs
junior plover
Yeah you face geared people that didn't get that gear through arena
It's a different issue
tiny oar
Saw a rogue the other day with 4k 2s games at 1400 cr
junior plover
But a lot of these 2100 rbg heroes
tiny oar
Respect the grind bro
clear pulsar
This is prob the best one I have
junior plover
This is prob the best one I have
I think we had like a 1100 3s 2700 rbgs
Here
The other day
Like 200 games of 3s
clear pulsar
tiny oar
junior plover
I'm hardstuck 2200 maybe I should get my 233 wep from rbg
NO YOU SEE
I lost to a mage at 60hp the other day
So gear
skill
I would be 25 rating less stuck right now
bitter harness
tiny oar
These ppl fry me so bad like
clear pulsar
tiny oar
Playing against ppl significantly better than u is an insane learning experience if u have 2 brain cells to think about what actually happened
junior plover
Playing against ppl significantly better than u is an insane learning experience...
That too
But there's also a reason why these people are stuck under 1800
tiny oar
These idiot complainers should be thankful to even q into boosters
junior plover
It's because they suk and you're as good as they are
At least on that character at this very point in time
bitter harness
im just bad
tiny oar
junior plover
rbg
bitter harness
candid moth
I got 2.1k RBG in 10 days of pvp
RBG 
ebon vortex
blasting pvp hard with a consistent group is by far the best way to learn and improve
bitter harness
before that my best was 1800 in 2s and 3s as hpal in 8.3
tiny oar
blasting pvp hard with a consistent group is by far the best way to learn and im...
Yea wish I could just queue rmd for 6 hrs a day
Instead it's like log on and sit in lfg for 2 hrs to even find ppl to q with lol
junior plover
I'm gonna queue 6h a day of destro feral disc starting next week
We'll see how that goes
candid moth
hardest issue for me and my mates is to find a time where we all 3 can play. Its not the same as 10y ago when everyone was online every evening 
junior plover
Yep
junior plover
hardest issue for me and my mates is to find a time where we all 3 can play. Its...
We're all self employed 
tiny oar
hardest issue for me and my mates is to find a time where we all 3 can play. Its...
we getting old
junior plover
LETS FUCKIN GOOOO
candid moth
true
kids, girlfriends, full time jobs
its all noise on my roar to gladiator
*road
junior plover
Just get glad with your girlfriend and kid
clear pulsar
candid moth
you havent seen my girlfriend play. We struggle on the first levels of cuphead cause she cant dodge shit
junior plover
tiny oar
candid moth
true
tiny oar
Gottem
candid moth
currently stuck between 2.2 and 2.3 cause boomy/rogue/hpally aint blasting that hard. Rogue does shit dmg
tiny oar
I wanna q LSD so bad where r all the fucking lfg shamans
Prolly queuing with hpals already
junior plover
I mean if you're stuck 2.2k+
Glad is 2 sessions away
It's inevitable you guys get it
So keep blastin
candid moth
hope so, when I finally get it I can die in peace
candid moth
yeah thats right. We usually get good cross cc but offheals are so strong currently that people still survive
clear pulsar
Then that's not good cross CC
tiny oar
Burrs go brrr for sure yea
clear pulsar
candid moth
we tried some games with him being assa but then the offtarget does to much noise. With sub we can cheap->clone at least on the offtarget
junior plover
What's assa strengths vs sub
candid moth
it does dmg
junior plover
I thought they wouldn't be as bursty but my healer died from 80 in like half a sec the other day
So what do they sacrifice for the dam
bitter harness
what about WW?
neon eagle
What is the usual rbg approach for Arathi basin?
neon eagle
Like, where do people normally go?
junior plover
Underpowered spec
junior plover
https://www.twitch.tv/crusader3455/clip/DarkRelievedQuailOpieOP
It's perfectly clipped
neon eagle
I guess tank mid to just delay the cap?
junior plover
It's great
bitter harness
It's perfectly clipped
right????
junior plover
U don't even realize what's going on yourself
Despite convoke being in the title
Until he's dead
And then the scream
tiny oar
Work of art
neon eagle
@vestal citrus what would you say is decent to sit stables if Rogue goes mines?
Balance druid or like, a ret or suttin?
Ah we got a lock and boomy
tulip falcon
theres a lot of diff shit you can do on base maps in terms of strats
like we send rogue/boomie lm, 2 to mines and rest to spin bs
or double rogue lm if we run it
2 at gm ensures we get it quick
then depending on what happens next we go from there
our ninja game seems better than most teams so we usually get the lm then just peel off from bs
tardy hare
like we send rogue/boomie lm, 2 to mines and rest to spin bs
ye we do this too
clear pulsar
I slept early last night didnt catch the games
Skill capped really sitting on turbo the best comp in the game to only show on the finals of cup 3 huh
long depot
pvp-check bug?
half kraken
Hey... question. Is NF Bala + Affli lock viable? (+ healer for 3s ofc) And how would the general gameplay look like?
clear pulsar
pvp-check bug?
Is that your toon?
long depot
yes
queen holly
how can you contribute with dmg as rdruid in lsd
i was running guardian affinity fwiw
should i switch to feral
clear pulsar
Log on and back off, should update the armory if your renown is wrong? @long depot
Check-pvp just looks at armory really
long depot
ok ok idk it looks buggy
clear pulsar
Whats your renown at?
Usually just logging on and back off updates armory to the right stuff but it can take a few mins
clear pulsar
Homeboy just looked someone up and is wondering if sitting at renown 19 is bis or the site is buggy, only 2 possible explanations 
bitter harness
just click the character name and it goes to armory
clear pulsar
Personally I'm going with renown 19 specifically is bis
bitter harness
ebon vortex
are people actually going necro as balance in 2s or is this just rdruids logging out as boomkins
i have 0 interest in balance im just curious lol
clear pulsar
I'm sure the number of people playing necro boomie is bigger than 0
But no
No one's rerolling necro bro
clear pulsar
ok ok idk it looks buggy
Drlongdong was night fae until last week, he just rerolled kyrian and is doing campaign and catching up on renown buddy, nothing's buggy.
forest root
Guys, do you think necro feral might be worth playing next patch? Over kyrian that is
vast vapor
any restos run circle of life and death in RBGs? i feel like it could be more versatile than mother tree
lime light
Welcome in my server
primal bane
is the AWC representation always this bad
junior plover
Yes
With the qualifiers being so long it's rare for anything that isn't absolute top tier to get to the top8 stage
And most players who actually care about tournament results will just play the strongest class available
So best players (who will reach top8 more often) play the best classes
And the not best classes not only have to play at a disadvantage, they also aren't usually piloted by equally good players
So it all adds up and honestly with that in mind the representation kinda slaps
A lot of specs being played at the highest level right now
frail marsh
Hey... question. Is NF Bala + Affli lock viable? (+ healer for 3s ofc) And how ...
Supatease made a video about that comp recently (healer is hpaly). But he plays kyrian boomy.
ebon vortex
but resto felt pretty bad
ive been pumping as resto in rbgs with the mend leggo
ebon vortex
its a good 3rd healer imo
bitter harness
why?
ebon vortex
big numbers
weak hinge
resto druid is scuffed in rbg man
ebon vortex
good bit of survivability too
ebon vortex
yea its the exact same in raid
ebon vortex
at least in bgs you have cc tho
bitter harness
I enjoyed RBGs as resto but I feel more useful as boomy
finite marlin
if im trying to climb as druid for the first time should i go resto or boomy ?
bitter harness
not as good as dome, priest knockback is miles better than typhoon
and boomies can clone
ebon vortex
im just trying to cling on to something resto is better than others at lmfao
just wanna go back to bfa s1 when resto did dumb healing and never went oom
one of my friends showed me vods from then and i dont even know how i got 1.8k
considering he was fury too
finite marlin
so boomie then ty
lime light
Ape class
junior plover
im just trying to cling on to something resto is better than others at lmfao
Mobility
ebon vortex
yeah pretty much
ebon vortex
its the only way i win in 2s lmfao
junior plover
You just constantly max range and dodge all cc
ebon vortex
i play with affli and we just rot until damp
constant slow from the affli and the mobility is just dumb lol
then a pala touches me for 1s out of bear and i almost die lmfao
primal bane
rdruid in 2s vs melee is insane
cyan wharf
hi my rbg group asked me to prepare my guardian specc for the futur. are there any guides up? i have no guardian exp at all
ebon vortex
what i really miss is old master shapeshifer and doing a shit load of damage with it
clear pulsar
@vestal citrus bro can you make a pin with like just guardian talents and legendary and shit? Or idk ask pumps to do it
tall knoll
For bgs as boomie is it better to take resto affinity over guardian? I feel like the incap isnt really that useful in bgs
tardy hare
incap is literally amazing
walk up to enemy
incap roar clone
u now got their base
stray sigil
r the necro buffs this tuesday?
half kraken
@stray sigil What necro buffs?
tiny oar
covenant buffs in 9.0.5
neon eagle
What do you guys do in Eye of the Storm if your team can't win the mid fight?
So I'm used to 1 on MT, 1 on DR then rest mid
muted edge
Going to sound straight toxic. But what is a good pvp lego for guardian druid in rbgs?
forest kite
Kinda off topic question but I'm just curious ^^
Can you upgrade season 1 gear in season 2 on when you get 2.1k again in season 2 or do u just need to "farm" conquest again ?
heady geode
Most likely have to farm s2 gear as always i believe
forest kite
sadge
heady geode
I dont think we've ever had rollover gear between seasons
forest kite
but since we got the upgrade system I just wondered if it could be possible
uncut swift
Are there any stat weightings for the Pawn addon for Feral PvP anywhere?
lunar bay
Not that ive seen but its usually Vers>mast>crit>haste
uncut swift
Yeah it's difficult because Agility contributes as well, but not sure how much numerically
Pawn seems to GREATLY favour agility (around 2.5 per agi, only 1.2 per crit for PvE)
clear pulsar
but since we got the upgrade system I just wondered if it could be possible
The upgrade thing had been a system in many past expansions
There's no rollover from previous seasons
That would be silly
clear pulsar
Pawn seems to GREATLY favour agility (around 2.5 per agi, only 1.2 per crit for ...
Pawn is an absurdly useless tool for pve and pvp
uncut swift
Pawn is an absurdly useless tool for pve and pvp
And how so?
clear pulsar
Well I'm sure you could come up with numbers to like, balance out stamina and vers weights into effective hp for instance and then that could be nice
But like
It's pretty pointless
To have a static stat weight for dps stats
When the weight changes since all secondaries are effectively different multipliers that scale off of one another
Different talents will scale differently, different legendaries, different soulbind trees, conduits, etc.
placid mirage
@tardy hare am I pepega I can't cap in a clone they just hit me at 0.1
Am I just too slow clicking or smth
clear pulsar
Yes too slow
The duration is the same
You should like spam click the flag as you're casting clone
storm granite
what is food you can eat during arena?
bitter harness
Pawn is an absurdly useless tool for pve and pvp
FALSE, it helps you find ilvl upgrades quicker in your bag
placid mirage
Oh I guess I thought it might cancel clone to cap during cast
bitter harness
placid mirage
2400 rbg btw xd
bitter harness
xd
placid mirage
This is why I don't trust anyone who talks about 1800 rbgs like they are sun tzu
They have like a spreadsheet of ilvl to vers % for who they gonna invite. And idk people doing dumb shit all the way to high rating
clear pulsar
what is food you can eat during arena?
Anything that only restores mana usually
clear pulsar
Oh I guess I thought it might cancel clone to cap during cast
Nah just spam click that shit
If I can get it at 170ms
You can get it at whatever latency
SURELY
tardy hare
Am I just too slow clicking or smth
Ye
You need to spamclick flag while casting clone
Then they cant stop anymore
queen holly
what is food you can eat during arena?
azurebloom tea from innkeeper
sly marsh
is there a specific level of ilvl (or verse %) that you feel comfortable stepping into rated arenas on a toon or do you sort of just go for it in order to farm conquest
clear pulsar
Just queue it up idk
After getting the catch up gear from covenant campaign
And pvp trinkets
Your armor should all be 197 and a 187 wep
clear pulsar
Covenant campaign
sly marsh
Oooo
clear pulsar
You get a LFR wep token at the end of it
marsh orbit
what talents we run in 2s? and 3s guys/also conduits.
clear pulsar
Bro what the fuck
junior plover
what talents we run in 2s? and 3s guys/also conduits.
Who's we
Are you
kidding me
clear pulsar
junior plover
i chose to kill a bonus obj instead of going for the rare
and im exactly that much short
clear pulsar
The legion s3-4 / mythic tomb helm
junior plover
is it an animation?
junior plover
i see
clear pulsar
Shoulder shows a stag
marsh orbit
what talents we run in 2s? and 3s guys/also conduits.
mb .... Healer dudu
clear pulsar
Like travel form
junior plover
Cant help with rdruid all I know is feral affi is a meme and Tireless Pursuit is bis finesse
also Well-Honed is by far the best endurance
clear pulsar
CW / SOTF / Overgrowth / Germination
marsh orbit
thx 🙂
junior plover
keep in mind that some people log out in a pve spec so the % are skewed
but the yellow one is always the most used one
junior plover
Man watching fire play in AWC now
it feels like theyre so bad
they do nothing for 2 minutes then they do something but pala just trades it for wings or w/e
and they're still so absurdly good
blissful belfry
How long is a smoke bomb? I heard rogues couldnt cap through smoke, but with the 6s cap now, can they do it or smoke is under 6
junior plover
5s
blissful belfry
okay gucci
i did a bit of rbg yesterday and i wasnt sure anymore so i jsut went in and incap roared him then i ran away
these flimsy rogue now try to bait near flag for kidney cap
naive igloo
why do spriest comps have the word "play" in them?
naive igloo
oh okay, maybe, haha. what's the etymology of play in that comp then?
junior plover
Most comp names come from a time where you had to register a team for the rated ladder
and give it a name
that's how TURBO or KFC were born
I can imagine shadowplay might be similar
naive igloo
ah okay, makes sense, ty :)
tiny oar
SCATTERPLAY
naive igloo
SCATTERPLAY
:O
patent dove
i love me some good african turtle cleave for dinner
lime light
owlplay
also there is always play in spriest comps
cuz only one guy is having fun playing the game
when there is a spriest
sly marsh
spicy chicken is best comp name
sly marsh
I also give honorable mention to Thug Cleave because it really feels like you’re getting mugged on their go’s
junior plover
I think all the x-play names are just a play on shadowplay
and shadowplay probably came from a rank1 team or smth
Now we need stuff like
THUNDERCATS
tulip falcon
ele feral?
patent dove
ele feral
junior plover
Sounds great doesnt it
patent dove
junior plover
tulip falcon
i loved fls in mop
sly marsh
I would love feral to become more bleed based again
tulip falcon
my actual favourite comp that ill never get to play again was arcane fmp
sly marsh
that’s my fav part of the spec
tulip falcon
since i knew an abn fanboy who was actually god at arcane
sly marsh
yooo I played arcane FMP in like cata I think
junior plover
my actual favourite comp that ill never get to play again was arcane fmp
People complaining about combustion damage
sly marsh
so fun
tulip falcon
oh yea i remember this
junior plover
Meta's too fast bois the meta has never been this fast
tulip falcon
orangemarmalade
tulip falcon
god this tournament ui
tulip falcon
https://youtu.be/Bx3F6djW81Y?t=74
this is the first tournament i ever remember watching
what an experience
junior plover
Why is old tournament videos
tulip falcon
16 year old hydra raging
tulip falcon
because rmp and godcomp was like 99.99999999% of ladder
lime light
yup
tulip falcon
it was before they re-did all the CC drs and stuff
lime light
i remember the mop full rip
it was like 60-70% of someones hp
if u rip him and leave him alone
tulip falcon
yes fml
and actual snapshotting
i think DoC snapshotted as well which was like the OG bloodtalons
big rips for days
junior plover
U cant have glaives as cat bro
are u dumb
it sure looks nice tho with that DH inside of me 
tiny tusk
green valve
my new tmog
Best cat form
junior plover
TRUTH
timid nest
for best PVP itemization is BOAT better as legs or feet
tulip falcon
mmo champion pvp forums
i used to get in so many arguments on there
an mmo champ mod msged me one day and said that they gave up trying to moderate the pvp section
junior plover
lol
at least reddit isnt this bad
I love how people will complain 24/7 about specs being OP and ruining arena
then cry when their spec is berfectly balanced because thats too weak
is there a more balanced spec than MM right now?
blissful belfry
hihihi
junior plover
lime light
the problem is, mm does super good dmg on leather
and does no dmg to plates
same with few other classes
like feral too
junior plover
I mean
jungle is tier 1 on ladder
and MM has MM Ret as well
its hardly a weak spec
lime light
jungle is no ttier 1
lime light
there is a lot of turbos and ret arms
junior plover
Jungle has very high presence on high ladder
lime light
that u gonna lose to
lime light
jungle isnt bad, but there is so many counter comps q'ing
haughty compass
Wonder if I can run destro warrior healer with my pals
primal bane
that post isnt really saying anything false
junior plover
it evens out
junior plover
that post isnt really saying anything false
lime light
no
junior plover
Cope take of the day
primal bane
kiosk's cope of the year
there are always more players doing pvp for gear than for pvp
and pvp has popularity peaks when its good for gearing, not for meta or w/e
junior plover
there is more ret arms and tubors
I would assume so but theres still a shit tone of ferals on 3k+ queueing jungle
primal bane
and i do get a moba crave when i play too much wow arena
junior plover
more jungles than boomies on 3k+
fickle garnet
I feel bad for Hunters and Rogues
primal bane
for rogues?
fickle garnet
They got utterly annihilated in the pre-season and then everyone else got left alone
junior plover
The nerfs they got were fair
they'd be the best specs in the game right now
if not for those
primal bane
poor rogues only being A+ tier in arena and mandatory pick in RBGs
they will never recover from this
junior plover
Rogue and MM are in the best state that you can be in without being FOTM
poor rogues
not being FOTM for one season
sadge
primal bane
ehhh nah hunters defo need some love but like rogues lol
rogues are the most pvp-related class since classic
pallid coral
I wonder if BM is the play with recent buffs
primal bane
they always do something insane in a pvp aspect
junior plover
I think BM might be good 9.0.5
pallid coral
zeepeye was playing some BM beastcleave the other day
lime light
bm does rly good damage
fickle garnet
Rogue does well because mage and priest are both insane right now and that teams they're ladder viable but liken
fickle garnet
Tournament setting, rogue is trash
primal bane
define good dmg, all top classes do that
junior plover
I mean that's just how the meta is
lime light
so does melee cleaves
junior plover
doesnt really affect the playerbase
also
Method EU played RMPala in the EU finals
primal bane
i mean true i never see rogue outside RMP
junior plover
yesterday
fickle garnet
I wonder if BM is the play with recent buffs
Pet still dies by someone accidentally sneezing in their general direction, unfortunately
junior plover
So I wouldnt say trash
lime light
thats not true, pet doesnt die
if u dont focus it
but if u do, cant rly do much
today, ele pop stormkeeper and one shoted our survi pet
primal bane
whats the typical pet HP at like ilvl 220?
junior plover
Rogue is so bad it only has more presence than all druid specs combined >: (
I do get the pain of only having 1 viable comp
fickle garnet
I wouldn't mind pets being tissue paper if revive wasn't 4s.
junior plover
but thats rogue every season
you cant have rogue viable in non RMP
otherwise RMP is broken
primal bane
i mean thats no issue i feel like pets dying is still a blizzard forgot thing
junior plover
or mage is unplayable outside of RMP
primal bane
we dont need any magical fix to it, just scale their HP in accordance with 40k pala crits
junior plover
Its either mage being playable or rogue being playable thats how it goes
primal bane
easy and fast
fickle garnet
If revive wasn't 4s, killing them easily would make the play warp around hunters reviving their pets constantly.
If revive stayed 4s but pet survivability was increased, killing the pet would reward you by heavily punishing the hunter.
As it stands, you just sort of accidentally punish the hunter by killing his pet incidentally.
junior plover
You cant kill hunter pets by accident anymore
thats not a thing
they get mend pet so often
lime light
mostly true
blissful belfry
My convoke will kill whatever the fuck it wants
fickle garnet
Fire Mage, Balance, Warrior and WW can cleave the fuck out of it
lime light
some heavy melee cleaves with frost could maybe do it
junior plover
Fire Mage doesnt cleave in this iteration
lime light
but legit if u face ele, they can pop stormkeeper and one shot the pet
junior plover
Yeah you can kill it if you target it
but i dont think a cleave can kill the pet unless the healer doesnt touch it EVER
they need to give it one heal every minute or so
and it'll be fine
lime light
if u play with disc, and u mostly play
on their pop u gonna radiance
and its enough mostly
with mend to keep it
primal bane
idk i feel like pvp wow has a lot of bandaids as is to make it work
junior plover
dont envy the healers who now need a button to target the pet
primal bane
killing hunter pet just shouldnt be viable strat imo
primal bane
unless he straight up puts it on you while ur los pillar 1v3
lime light
idk what to feel about it, it was always a part of the game, to cleave a pet a bit, and maybe kill it at some point
but rn its too punishing
primal bane
bc its just too messy
if we we're talking about flavour
mages should eventually get mana issues too
especially considering how strong a lot of their shit is in pvp
fickle garnet
"oh my pet died, rip my damage I guess" - Surv/BM
"Pet died, rip my ms i guess" - MM
junior plover
mages should eventually get mana issues too
I don't disagree
fickle garnet
As Surv, my pet dying makes me want to drink bleach
junior plover
No see I think the pet dies too easily for the 4s revive
primal bane
i cant tell if i hate or like surv gameplay
junior plover
but I like the 4s revive
primal bane
its a melee class that has to kite
fickle garnet
I like the 4s revive
junior plover
I think it makes a lot of sense for hunters to have to sacrifice quite a bit to get their pet back
fickle garnet
Just wish pet survivability was compensated for it
junior plover
Yeah
primal bane
idk the way i see it
lime light
problem with survi and pet is, if they dont have pet its over, they are useelss
same with bm
fickle garnet
Because atm it's neat that killing a hunter pet and training him essentially forces them to turtle if they want their pet back uncontested
primal bane
if pet is easily killable killing it is always a safe and strong strategy that gives u a huge advantage and fucks over the hunter completely
fickle garnet
you're rewarded by getting a big defensive out
fickle garnet
but the issue is, nobody else really has that trade off and the pet dies way too easily to make it a thing
primal bane
if we want pet focus to stay while making hunters life better
lime light
my god, when i see kill pet, i can see the imagine of that turbo that tunnels our pet
whole game
till its kaput
primal bane
make it like
once you bring pet hp to 0, he is stunned for 10-15 seconds and then comes back to full
and the more you heal the pet in that time
the faster it comes back
lime light
nah
fickle garnet
I think that'd just encourage the Mongos who don't manage their pets at all
primal bane
yeah it could also be like
lime light
or some shit
primal bane
every channel of revive pet decreases the cast by X
up to a minium of 1 sec
so its not unkickable
and you cancelling it doesnt count
only stuns/kicks
junior plover
once you bring pet hp to 0, he is stunned for 10-15 seconds and then comes back ...
I actually dont dislike that idea
well done Cope
junior plover
Lol they still have hati?
fickle garnet
BM talent.
junior plover
I see
I think it's a decent idea except the pet actually doesnt die easily enough for that little punishment imo
and it's a slippery slope
you make it too easy to kill, the hunter is only playable for a few sec every 15-20s
you make it too hard to kill, it's as good as unkillable because by the time you commit the resources to kill it you have no resources left to capitalize
I think it could be in flavor for BM hunters to maybe just take % max hp damage whenever their pet dies
but it comes back after a few sec
theres lots of ways to go about it
primal bane
we just need one(1) pvp developer hired so he can put these into the live game
junior plover
There are PVP designers on board
they just have a really hard time passing balance changes
junior plover
wtf Cope with a not dumb asfuck idea
I think in general the design of arena is being kept up really well
Old comps like Turbo, Jungle, RMP, Godcomp, Shadowplay see play to this day
it's a sign that they care about preserving the design of pvp in general
we just need more balance changes but it's season1 and they're doing 1 patch every AWC so I'm not too mad at this point
fickle garnet
I think the worst part about this season is like
junior plover
season2 should be much cleaner
fickle garnet
Classes like Ret are so poorly designed but they're being kept up by their absurd damage figures.
junior plover
Yeah the issue people have seems to be that there's too much bullshit going on
initially with convoke and combust but now mostly with ret
fickle garnet
Tbh
junior plover
I on the other hand hate how Arms/WW put a clock on literally every other spec in the game
Arms does that while being unkillable at the same time and making 1 ally unkillable by phys damage every 30s
fickle garnet
I love Arms as it's designed with all it's utility and support, I just wish that utility and support was tied to tank specs instead.
fickle garnet
Arms as designed would be really cool for Prot Warrior.
It just does too much damage for it's support/utility.
junior plover
Intervene could be changed from a 30s cd to a 3 min cd
and Arms would remain
a top tier spec
thats how absurdly strong it is
Intervene is the biggest problem with this season imo
primal bane
i feel like it has to be at least a bit hard to play bc i never see arms as a threat
primal bane
i dont get the same urge of rage as when i see a mage/spriest in teh enemy team
gentle trout
What leggo are people running as FC boomies? is it memory of lycara or oath of elders?
primal bane
also monk
junior plover
I don't really care how hard it is to play, Arms removes options from way too many specs in the game
Especially when paired with HPal
fickle garnet
The difference between good and bad Arms is knowing how to intervene/spell reflect/etc.
junior plover
HPal with ultimate sac & double bop & instant full hp heals
HPal in CC, has no bop, bubble or trinket?
Warrior just intervenes
fickle garnet
If I see Hpal/Arms/X
junior plover
while being able to break fears/incaps every minute
fickle garnet
I know I'm not having fun
junior plover
So you have to commit as much CC into warrior as into the healer
Some comps literally cant do that
no matter how well they play
if the warrior presses intervene on cooldown
he wins
fickle garnet
You're essentially forced to play into damp
junior plover
You're essentially forced to play into damp
Which warrior wins
Had this thought earlier today
fickle garnet
What terrifies me
Imagine season 2 is just them nerfing Convoke/ret/Stormkeeper/Combust/etc
but leaving Warrior as is since the casuals don't realize it's a problem
junior plover
Nah they mostly balance around AWC
And honestly the nerfs they shipped so far
were so on point
rallying cry nerf?
beautiful
combustion damage, shields and combustion cd on fire mage?
great
fickle garnet
I think the fire mage nerfs could've been done better
fickle garnet
Fire Mage shouldn't have access to Ring of Frost because they're the only mage with dedicated hard cc for all 3 schools
junior plover
just kill em 4head
its definitely healthy for the game for the tankiest spec in the game
to be the best kill target
Fire Mage without ring of frost
would be like the worst spec in the game
fickle garnet
||good||
junior plover
I hope there's an another nerf next week and they wont wait for 9.0.5
junior plover
being a ranged class as a disadvantage
It's not
primal bane
if im playing ranged melees better STRUGGLE to keep up and only beat me if they can maintain uptime on me
but it is only mage remains as a ranged class that can actually properly kite the melees in this meta
junior plover
High melee uptime on casters rewards good positioning
and casters are very much balanced around it
altho to be fair that is like the main reason destro warlock sucks right now
fickle garnet
It's a two way street
Melee uptime is really high so the best casters are the ones built entirely off instant casts
junior plover
I think melee uptime is a bit too high because its like 95% right now
I think it should be like 85%
primal bane
which makes it up by gripping you
fickle garnet
If you nerf melee uptime, you'd need to take away power from instant casts
primal bane
i mean fuck yeah
junior plover
ALL casts
primal bane
let me cast my shit
and let melees stay the fuckaway
i think this would be more fun
primal bane
why would i deal less dmg if my instant casts get replaced ?
id just need to kite ahrder and play max range
junior plover
You would deal less damage because melee right now can stop every one of your casts
the game is balanced around it
if you can freecast
the casts must be less valuable
fickle garnet
Playing a warlock in pvp and chasing after a melee who wants to LoS you is literally the most aids thing you can experience in WoW
Prove me wrong
primal bane
isnt it funny how unless ur like
borderline melee range
a lot of melees can just leave cast range
to stop you from casting?
junior plover
I dont mind having a lot of instant casts in the game
it makes the game more dynamic
fickle garnet
I know it's an actual pvp problem right now but I think the design of fireball reducing combust is really good
junior plover
but the situation is a little overblown
fickle garnet
and should be added to more casters
junior plover
agreed actually
fickle garnet
Reward the caster for casting
primal bane
i mean sure if its added to everyone but jstu fmage having it is so fucking funny
junior plover
I think the talent should be baseline and combust should be a 6min cd
or something
and revert the nerf
on the talent
primal bane
like yeah here have a top 3 cooldown, if you fuck it up dw its only 40 seconds if you dont afk afterwards
primal bane
and they made it dispellable while also giving mages the most fucking big list of dispellable abilities they can use
so you dont actually have any real chance of dispelling combust
nah boomie incarn is the best cooldown imo
but combust is top 3
thing is
3 minute cooldown with no way of shortening it
in this meta, thats 1 cast per game
tulip falcon
wtf
junior plover
its just that boomie baseline is better than fire mage
fickle garnet
Combust is just insane because it needs to be answered
junior plover
I get u
tulip falcon
incarn is nowhere near as good as combustion
junior plover
Incarn for boomie is about as good as combustion is for mages
IMO
the issue is
combustion cd can be reduced
incarn cant
fickle garnet
Incarn is easier to play around
junior plover
so combustion ends up being a lot more powerful
but like if you were only gonna press each of them once
I think theyre equally scary
foggy ravine
combust damage comes out much quicker than incarn damage
incarn damage is over several globals
primal bane
yeah the "scary" part of incarn holds over 15 seconds easily
while combust you really pop it
junior plover
So is combust except for meteor which you have to preplace
primal bane
then mash the shit out of your keys
junior plover
its not like they can fit multiple pyros into 1 global??
stuck heart
I noticed the best american feral pvper uses strength of the wild instead of thorns. I get the passives but it seems unlikely id ever actually use 40 rage to cast the strngeth of wild spell rather than use it for ironfur?
primal bane
there is also this issue with mages
junior plover
I noticed the best american feral pvper uses strength of the wild instead of tho...
Its for the regrowth
primal bane
they can set up a lot of things to hit at one time
junior plover
and bear max hp
primal bane
so like greater fireball, meteor etc etc
foggy ravine
idk with combust you can do a pretty significant amount of damage in teh first global
stuck heart
ok i thought so thanks!
junior plover
npnp
tulip falcon
i don't think any cd in the game warrants mega damage first global as soon as they pop
like its just not good design
fickle garnet
idk with combust you can do a pretty significant amount of damage in teh first g...
It's because you activate it after doing a few globals of set-up beforehand
foggy ravine
true
lime light
are rare mobs in maw, dropping the coin for it?
foggy ravine
no?
junior plover
no?
primal bane
nope
junior plover
nvm then
primal bane
it doesnt work with boat for one
balmy raven
Do you run primal wrath as feral in RBGs for more aoe cleave?
junior plover
the damage locks before it drops?
primal bane
the reason meteor can work is bc its not targeted i think
junior plover
yeah makes sense
tulip falcon
Do you run primal wrath as feral in RBGs for more aoe cleave?
only worth if you're running apex for the bite procs
since bleeds do fuck all dmg
primal bane
but if it worked lmfao how great that would be
100 AP bc full moon
then incarn star surge
foggy ravine
you can't CA during the cast
primal bane
fuck convoke
junior plover
primal bane
that shit would be the most hated combo in pvp history
balmy raven
@tulip falcon aight, thanks mate
foggy ravine
and who in their right mind would let you get a 3 second full moon cast off during incarn
primal bane
imagine if convoke set up was fully controllable
idk a lot of people
dont really understand the gravity of cooldowns
besides really big, non stop talked about ones
foggy ravine
so much more value out of foe
primal bane
that have huge visuals
so pally wings/combust, you hear it and see it everywhere, people are afraid
but boomie having some small stars fall over him? idk man boomie is played 1 in 20 games
foggy ravine
kick on full moon and you locked out of CA
junior plover
Youd be surprised
primal bane
you'd think so
but its not that simple
well it is buti wish it wanst
its very fun to just drop a bomb like that
primal bane
so many addons should be baseline for wow i swear
the biggest and most important abilities
at best have a red outline on you when you cast them
how are people supposed to know without addons
that they will die
tulip falcon
uhm
fickle garnet
I wanted to go kyrian for the consistent setup of root/beam and the buff
tulip falcon
people managed for many years without
fickle garnet
but my friend convinced me to go NF and I fucking hate Convoke so much
primal bane
no they didint i watched classic pvp
tulip falcon
i only used bigdebuffs recently
primal bane
that shit is embarassing
tulip falcon
right
primal bane
we are way better than in those days
tulip falcon
for a long time tournament players couldnt use any addons
primal bane
@fickle garnet you won't hate being respected in your raid groups
tulip falcon
im not talking about classic
tulip falcon
theres plenty of people that play with default ui
who are good
u dont need addons
they are just QoL
fickle garnet
<@!208775415756488704> you won't hate being respected in your raid groups
raiding in the god era of pvp gear
primal bane
only reason i even have default castbar left over is bc its too difficult to customize it
well gear isnt everything
you get gear now what?
foggy ravine
you keep pvping for fun?
tulip falcon
like idk if u cant see cds without bigdebuffs its slightly concerning
primal bane
how u see coldowns without bigdebuffs???
tulip falcon
look at buffs
primal bane
like
tulip falcon
lol
primal bane
yes thats incredibly annoiying to do
foggy ravine
look at buffs, or the animation of cd?
primal bane
the "animation" is the most lame shit ive ever seen
foggy ravine
open yer eyes old man
primal bane
only the recently reworked ones even look like anything
fickle garnet
The armored chicken is a superior cd model
tulip falcon
look at their buffs
junior plover
Yes you can look at their buffs
tulip falcon
its not hard??
junior plover
but dont pretend
junior plover
like its comparable to bigdebuffs
foggy ravine
how hard is that
primal bane
why should i look at extremly tiny icons in the corner of my screen instead of having real visuals to back up a strong cooldown?
tulip falcon
i literally only installed bigdebuffs at the end of bfa lmao
idk like
dont be blind
idk what to say
primal bane
???
foggy ravine
^
like I said
open yer eyes
pvp is a lot better when you don't have your eyes closed
tulip falcon
lol
junior plover
Bro theres like 20 buffs at any given player at any given time
primal bane
what cooldown is being used here
junior plover
if you shuffle through targets every 0.2s
primal bane
actually no
junior plover
and scan their buffs
tulip falcon
do you play on a nintendo ds
junior plover
good for you
tardy hare
Nothing
surreal heron
is that a screenshot for ants
primal bane
so fucking late
fickle garnet
When you're in 3s and you're constantly targeting everyone, not seeing a cd is easy
tardy hare
Bro im watching a movie
primal bane
its not
tardy hare
How tf am i supposed to look and type on phone in 2 seconds
primal bane
tardy hare
Smh
tulip falcon
then whats ur point ur trying to prove
primal bane
point still stands
tardy hare
Why tf this guy lvl 120
tulip falcon
ok whats so hard to see here?
foggy ravine
literally a bfa screenshot
tardy hare
Smh
primal bane
these are all extremly hard to tell, random looking icons, that need a lot of time to dechyper
foggy ravine
not really
fickle garnet
I think stuff like wings is good because you don't need to scan anything to realize you're riding a train to pound town, and it makes the paladin feel more badass too
primal bane
he isnt cycloned
junior plover
He is