pvp

[lime light]

that TR server

isnt up to date

but i think this time

it is

for the first time

in wow history

live=tr

[primal bane]

how is this shit still too long

4 minutes passed, healers doing fine on mana, no 40k crits

[junior plover]

Thats what real games of 3s look like

5-15 minutes long

[primal bane]

it looks pretty fun

as in

[clear pulsar]

They're not so good as cope, cope woulda won the game 2 mins ago

[primal bane]

it seems to even out the dmg on just the right amount

so no one complains

[junior plover]

yeah I wish I was up on that level

games look fun

2k cr 3s are hell

[primal bane]

in what way

[junior plover]

too fast for my small brain

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

Paladin actually ooming and having to drink?

What is this

Beautiful

[twilit siren]

do priests not run damnation or is ui just not tracking

[clear pulsar]

People have linked the inspect tool like 8 times in the last 15 mins my g

awc.gcd.tv

[junior plover]

Sadly the UI

doesnt track like half the important stuff

they give every class in the game a covenant ability cooldown

and they dont show it

[lime light]

imagine if u oculd click yourself ppl frame

[junior plover]

200 iq play

[lime light]

in the arena

and check their buffs

[junior plover]

I mean

they could actually make something like that with twitch apps

maybe not real time buffs

that'd be expensive as hell

but talents and stuff

[vast vapor]

are u trolling

[junior plover]

ah nvm lol theyre contracted to youtube

[primal bane]

why u think they would ever

stream on youtube

nvm its a huge fail too

[junior plover]

youtube has huge viewerships

twitch is no longer king of streams

[primal bane]

games like wow are not getting real money/profits from tournament organizing

[junior plover]

but ye

[primal bane]

its not that type of game

so idk why they did a youtube contract

[lime light]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuC9rwPWYAI8Cwg?format=jpg&name=small

[junior plover]

LOL

[lime light]

lmao

[junior plover]

lock?

what they gonna play

NECRO FERAL?

[lime light]

that was a turbo

[junior plover]

ah

[lime light]

iam sure enh affi

can do some fucked up shit

[junior plover]

i thought it was f2k

[lime light]

but idk what healer can heal enh and affi

and not oom after 1 min

[junior plover]

yeah u cant play dampen comp without rsham

any affli comp really

in a tournament setting

not after the hpal nerfs anyway

maybe prot pala lol

[clear pulsar]

Hpriest fire boomie is actually the best comp in the game btw

[junior plover]

you spelled feral "boomie"

whats up with that

[lime light]

idk about hpriest hype kinda

[primal bane]

huh?

[clear pulsar]

[primal bane]

best healer is

[lime light]

it smells like

[primal bane]

venthyr hpal

[lime light]

muricans jebait

[junior plover]

Snupy was like 1 game away from 3k with hpriest jungle

its good

[primal bane]

u ever wanted to do 300k dmg with 10k dps?

play venthyr hpal

[lime light]

hpriest ooms pretty fast, thats something new

for them

but it rly feels like they oom rly quick now

maybe not as fast asdisc

[junior plover]

well

the meta doesnt really have healers as kill targets

[clear pulsar]

Thing is hpriest contributes pretty good damage to kill setups

[junior plover]

so hpriest is up in value vs disc

[clear pulsar]

With an undispelable stun

Feral dont have to cast maim

[junior plover]

higher damage, better mana, extra stun

[clear pulsar]

[primal bane]

ultimate form gives u cc immunity while casting it too??

[lime light]

yes

[junior plover]

only while casting it

[lime light]

but not kick immunity

[primal bane]

thats so fucking good

[junior plover]

wdym

[primal bane]

yeah obvs no kick immu

but like damn esp if ur healing thats insane

[junior plover]

You bait kick

if you fail and get kicked

u press fleshcraft

[primal bane]

most cross CC on healer

is very scripted

the issue is they cant do much about it

[junior plover]

well in 9.0.5 anyway

right now fleshcraft is still poop

[clear pulsar]

Nerdrage with the triple leap leggo

[junior plover]

BUT

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

Ive been fucked by people literally tapping fleshcraft

[primal bane]

yes its so fucking sad when u look at other covenants

[junior plover]

as im pressing maim

but you gotta have huge balls

and brains

[primal bane]

somehow necro users lied to themselves its rlly good???

[junior plover]

to do that

[twilit siren]

what's ret spell bottom row 2nd from left

[primal bane]

but on 9.0.5 40% shield, 8% HP regen, cc immunity ,30% dmg reduction

this shit is a whole cooldown

[junior plover]

it wont go through like that

[primal bane]

only thing it needs is the PVE buff on bodies to be easily applied in pvp

[lime light]

@twilit siren this one?

[clear pulsar]

It's not actually a cd lmao

[primal bane]

most likely, its arguably better than most spec covenant abiilties

[clear pulsar]

Blizz is fried

[primal bane]

in PTR

[twilit siren]

how much does that 250% extra swing do

[junior plover]

@clear pulsar it lights up

when it procs

thats why its on the ui

[lime light]

i have seen around 6k to 9k

[clear pulsar]

No it doesn't @junior plover

[junior plover]

lol

theyre fried then

[clear pulsar]

48 stacks here

[junior plover]

Yeah it didnt light up

youre right

[clear pulsar]

It comes back to him at 14 stacks

And didn't light up at all in between

Since it doesnt have an icd anymore either

Doesn't do anything there

[junior plover]

Actually maybe its to show

which aura

is used

[primal bane]

how much dmg u get from a well geared ele LB?

like 7k?

[junior plover]

u get a 50k bite

[lime light]

7k is like super top

with sky fury

[clear pulsar]

Huh

My rsham gets 8k lava bursts

How is 7k super top for ele

[lime light]

cuz rshams lb does more

[junior plover]

[primal bane]

face pls

[clear pulsar]

No it doesnt

[lime light]

ele lb

[clear pulsar]

Maybe the base no cd ones

[lime light]

rsham lb

[junior plover]

Huh

[lime light]

rsham can pump some real big dam

[primal bane]

and it has broken kick

i swear i have no idea how is rsham not considered best healer, idk whats missing

only reason i like to play w/ hpal more is bc its easier to play

[lime light]

hpal

thats the answer

but rn it might be a bit closer

[junior plover]

The legendary gives you a rsham lb

[lime light]

lmao aura mastery on fleshcraft

big

[junior plover]

we smart

[primal bane]

cringe hpal is OOMING

[junior plover]

yeah the nerf was good

[lime light]

@clear pulsar

thats a pve ele winspeaker lb

[primal bane]

i want to see ele sham gameplay so bad

[clear pulsar]

That's a git gud

[primal bane]

whats the crit % for LB in pvp?

[lime light]

thats a rsham one

225%

[primal bane]

deadass?

[junior plover]

Method 2good

[primal bane]

so everyone else is 175

[primal bane]

and rsham pushes 225?

[clear pulsar]

Then you link pictures of

An ele lb doing more than a resto lb

???????

Ok tian

[lime light]

cuz it gets guted by

fucking pvp

crit

[clear pulsar]

Go back to playing warrior

[lime light]

u ape

dog

[clear pulsar]

No, if anything the comparison is more in favor of ele in pvp

[lime light]

the base lb is higher for rsham

stfu and go watch awc

please

[clear pulsar]

225 / 175 > 250 / 200

[lime light]

dont add lego to every lb

[vital parcel]

anyone know where ziqo is? 😦

[lime light]

cuz it wont happend

[clear pulsar]

You said 'top'

You didn't say every

I thought you would be good conversation but you're just turning into Cope-like

[lime light]

cuz u have no idea

[clear pulsar]

Say dumb shit then pretend you didn't say it

[lime light]

about lb

[primal bane]

if i ever get the conq ill do full crit 2nd stat on ele sham

[clear pulsar]

You literally linked a higher ele lb than resto

[lime light]

in pve

u ape

with lego

holy fuck

[primal bane]

face pls

[vital parcel]

[modern flicker]

Don't eles play Elemental Equilibrium in pvp anyway, not windspeakers?

[primal bane]

its mostliky windspeakers

[junior plover]

Yo can I trust any of you fellas to ping me when tony's playin

gotta hit some queues

[primal bane]

EE is viable but like

meh

[clear pulsar]

YOu said 'super top'

Like...

YES????

The biggest

[primal bane]

u can proc it by mistake, and its not good outisde of burst windows

[clear pulsar]

Ele lb is bigger than the biggest resto lb

That is what I said in response to you saying 'super top'

[tulip falcon]

thanks wowhead!

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

prot pala tier 🙄

[clear pulsar]

That's a hilariously stupid way to rank shit

[fathom oxide]

is correct?

[tulip falcon]

yea fuck knows

[haughty compass]

I see no problem here

[junior plover]

Should be 2 separate tier lists

for support and main viability

[primal bane]

it is correct

[clear pulsar]

'Support' makes no sense

[junior plover]

Feral plays support in kitty cleave

[fathom oxide]

someone make a real tier list pls

?

[tulip falcon]

yea idk what they mean by that

[primal bane]

fmage is cropped, right above SS tier

[junior plover]

but plays main in jungle

[haughty compass]

You support your warriors like real cats

[clear pulsar]

Sub is as much of a 'support' in rmp as feral is in jungle

[fathom oxide]

is there a real tier list?

[tulip falcon]

mage isnt actually on this list 😆

[junior plover]

this is a melee list

[tulip falcon]

ah ye it is

[haughty compass]

Hunter

[junior plover]

Much more so lol

[clear pulsar]

BM hunter in the melee tier list

[junior plover]

feral is main in jungle

100%

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

hunter is playing support

[tulip falcon]

idk what this garbage is even supposed to be

[junior plover]

but in rmp rogue is the mage's bitch

[clear pulsar]

I don't disagree with the order of the specs

I think the divide of 'main' and 'support' is really stupid

[primal bane]

every comp has the other dd as mage's bitch

[junior plover]

I do disagree

well

[tulip falcon]

they said its melee

[junior plover]

no nvm

[tulip falcon]

but put hunter onb it

[junior plover]

Feral enh is with

[tulip falcon]

lol

[junior plover]

the others

it just looks like its lower

yeah MM is like

honorable melee

tbh

[primal bane]

also why tf are tehre melee and caster tier lists

[junior plover]

or hunter in general

[primal bane]

there is absolutely no point

just fucking rank them properly

[haughty compass]

Ret paladins are casters change my mind

[junior plover]

its for people who wanna reroll;

but theyre playing melee

so they google what the best spec is

also DH/Hunter in the same tier as Frost and Sub?

Sure buddy

idk its a mess

[primal bane]

they just have high melee range pykan

bc they need to /stopattack a lot

[clear pulsar]

Because no one is gonna read a 5 page shit covering 36 specs

[junior plover]

just make a generic tierlist then

not this

[modern flicker]

Those tier lists aren't about accuracy, they're about generating maximum traffic from lemmings on Google

[vital parcel]

lmao where is mage

[clear pulsar]

There is no good argument to say sub should be higher than mm lol

DH sure could be lower

[lime light]

also looks like rsham LB

has higher main stat

[primal bane]

someone needs to make a true 1v1 tier list already, all ive seen is beta shadowlands shit which is just very bad

[lime light]

scalling

then ele

one

[clear pulsar]

Bro pls just stop talking about lava burst

You contradicted your own point

[lime light]

disgusting brazil degan

[tiny tusk]

[haughty compass]

Tier lists lol btw

[primal bane]

real talk what are top 3 1v1 classes

[tulip falcon]

probably ret ww mage lol

[primal bane]

id swap ret with prot

and mage with rogue just bc they can choose to not fight at all everytime they lose

thats probably it actually

[tulip falcon]

why ask if you think you already know

🤷

[primal bane]

nah i didnt

just made a lot of sense put into perspective

bc a lot of classes can have an argument for doing insane shit in 1v1

[haughty compass]

Rogues are always in the conversation

[tulip falcon]

i remember duelling in prepatch and thinking ah ye its just prepatch its always scuffed

and it is pretty much the same now

[junior plover]

Idk I feel like RMP > Joongle

[clear pulsar]

Not because of sub rogue lol

[lime light]

ye sub not viable

[clear pulsar]

Buff rogue

[stray sigil]

[clear pulsar]

Sub isnt even the best rogue spec tbh

Assa KINGS

[stray sigil]

rog better class than hunter

[lime light]

Face's brain is gone today

pls

someone help him

i beg u

[stray sigil]

idk how u even debate that

[lime light]

i want old Face

[stray sigil]

hunter is giga poop

[lime light]

not this imposter

[primal bane]

oh ye my hunter main still sits at lvl 50

[clear pulsar]

It's either placing MM with sub or placing MM with unholy/surv/assa

[primal bane]

imagine levelling, gearing and grinding xpac mechanics on a hunter

[clear pulsar]

The argument wasn't whether mm was better than sub, it was about the placement on a 'tier' on the article

[primal bane]

just to click barrage once and freeze healer

[clear pulsar]

And it absolutely shouldn't be on the tier lower than that

[lime light]

the best thing about sub rogues is, they are complaing that the only comp they can play is rmx, but the truth is THEY WOULD NEVER PLAY SOMETHING ELSE

CUZ THEIR brain is too small

to play normal comp

they would still play

rmx

[stray sigil]

sub is like b+ and mm like a b-

maybe rogue even a

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

but just 1 comp

[lime light]

uhm now we just placing the specs in tier list

UHM

[stray sigil]

but then again

[clear pulsar]

Bro yall always act like your comp/spec is weak and everything else is much better

Gotta stop ok?

[stray sigil]

hunter has 1 comp too

[primal bane]

lets start placing DK specs properly, everyone is saying dk trash as an inside joke by now

[stray sigil]

and hunters comp much weaker aswell

[lime light]

DK is trash into heavy physical dmg comps

[primal bane]

theyre high on ladder, have ok AWC rep, and their cooldowns are fundamentally great

[stray sigil]

cuz theres no double melee in awc lol

[lime light]

u gonna see beast cleave soonish

can clip

@stray sigil

[stray sigil]

literally all ww castwr

or like

war caster

na bm pet still die

[lime light]

btw did they merge eu and na bnet?

i heard something about it

[stray sigil]

not happening yet

[primal bane]

bm pet also does fucking nothing while its alive

[lime light]

time to add my murican degans?

🙂

[primal bane]

so dead/alive is more philosophical than an issue

i need to see some FAT BITES on the next pvp patch from BM

[stray sigil]

didnt hear anything bout bnet

[tulip falcon]

one step closer to na/eu server merge

[lime light]

lmao there are turbos on eu, that gonna pedle hunter pet till it dies XD

they are not gonna do anything else or attack

anyone else

till the pet is ded

XD

its a passion

[stray sigil]

cleaves are just targeting willys pet

[lime light]

is he mm

tho

?

[stray sigil]

surv

[primal bane]

oh also un-nerf spirit pet heal

wtf was that move

[clear pulsar]

OTK really been avoiding all the ret war and shit huh

[primal bane]

who thought hunters having more than 1 heal is a bad idea?

[clear pulsar]

Or come to think of it that's only an EU thing!?

[stray sigil]

were there any ret war?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah mystic's team

[stray sigil]

in na

i meant

[lime light]

OTK's walking dead

actually disgusting good

everyone have to agree

maybe not biggest brain comp

[clear pulsar]

Mes is a god

Amongst men

[stray sigil]

i mean its all they played for like

[clear pulsar]

He snipes all 3 with breath stun every single fucken time

[stray sigil]

4 years now

[clear pulsar]

Fuji just cant give praise lmao

[stray sigil]

ud expect them to be good ar it yes

[clear pulsar]

Guy's salty about everyone and everything

'OTK good'

OFC ITS ALL THEY DO

[stray sigil]

it is true

[clear pulsar]

I speak facts

[stray sigil]

me too

[lime light]

Fuji is jelly cuz Cdew has a wifer

[clear pulsar]

Looks like there was some TSG but other than that OTK is the only melee cleave in NA

Fuji wishes he was jelly

Handsome and good at wow

🧢

[lime light]

Sadge

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-guitar-mills-song-pepe-gif-18595045

[primal bane]

esport orgs when they want to make turbo video game nerds be taken seriously

[clear pulsar]

The underdog fire hpal will PREVAIL

#againstallodds

#thewayitshouldbe

[rain girder]

What leggo to guardian druid use in rated pvp?

[lime light]

thunderfury

the one that gives u immunity to cc when u zerker/incarn @rain girder

[rain girder]

Thank you!

[lime light]

Smorc

yep

[clear pulsar]

I made a text channel in my own discord

[rain girder]

So Legacy of the Sleeper right?

[clear pulsar]

Just to save screenshots of people I randomly inspect out in the world

With like 500+ higher rating in rbg than arena

[lime light]

lol

whats the point again

[clear pulsar]

Idk why I did it but I'm addicted to spam inspecting people now

I have like 20 so far

[twilit siren]

I would be in there

[junior plover]

[pallid vessel]

do i have to do something special to get reflex to track arena games? it only tracks RBGs for me for some reason

[junior plover]

Maybe you have battlegrounds selected

theres a tab

Actually i dont see a BG option at all

just 2v2 and 3v3

[clear pulsar]

It's just both sides

Left side is bgs

Right side is arena

[mossy orbit]

How much is Vers worth in sacrificing iLvL?
Got a few piece who are 213 without vers but got 207 PvP pieces too, they are preferred right?

(Balance)

[junior plover]

207 vs 213 is arguable

anything higher you just take ilvl

[junior plover]

really doesnt make too much of a diff what u use here

[junior plover]

cheater

scammer

[tardy hare]

xd

[junior plover]

fuk u

[mossy orbit]

Pieces like these

@junior plover

Or rather these I guess as the vers loss is smaller

Or memes like these

[clear pulsar]

Apex dungeon

[junior plover]

Yeah you can really pick whichever

[mossy orbit]

Ouh dang

[junior plover]

the higher ilvl will be better into burst

but its like

such a small difference at this scale

that it really doesnt matter too much

[clear pulsar]

CIRCLE GAMERS ONLY

[rapid glade]

what lego/what slot would you make for pvp boomie? just starting to get into it

[junior plover]

Just beat top5 mistweaver in the world

in 2s

2310 cr

kek

[tardy hare]

[junior plover]

Poor guy outhealed my disc

had more mana

and just died because we dampened them with disc

TONY GIVE ME STRENGTH

[errant blaze]

And here i am just happy about my 60% winrate for the week 😂

[stray sigil]

i see u havent seen a lot of warriors uh

[junior plover]

Actually yeah

2 warriors

1-1

and the other loss is ww

[crude minnow]

The secret is to wear the lower ilvl gear on purpose so you can have an excuse for losing besides being bad

[junior plover]

thats how i excuse my 180 ilvl 1400 hardstuck monk

[blissful belfry]

i was hardstuck at 800 mmr when i started my alt

155 ilvl

[lime light]

who cares

as far as u getting gear

[blissful belfry]

^

[deft tapir]

boots/boat

[junior plover]

guess who found the warriors

and monks

[forest kite]

Hey new to boomie in rbgs, what should i be doing in team fights usually?

Dotting everything and starfall?

[blissful belfry]

dont starfall, you use your power for consecutive surges on the kill target

when the leader call a target to kill, you triple surge it

[forest kite]

Ok ty and just keep sunfire star up on everything?

[timber sundial]

Throw out cc. Clones and root beams. Help peel for healers.

[bitter harness]

ask for concentration aura + aura mastery from hpal

press convoke

win

[alpine matrix]

So hit 30 on night fae this week and trying out burrs. is it good or not worth keeping when i can swap and get started on leveling Kyrian?

[rapid glade]

@deft tapir so you wouldn't go for a pvp-specific lego? I've just been running boat but i feel like i can't ever optimize my window

[alpine matrix]

Boat is the pvp leggo for Night Faes

[deft tapir]

I like boat as kyrian too, just feel like you get nice on demand burst for gos

[alpine matrix]

Im still hard debating on switching to Kyrian. I know it's better overall for pvp

But Night fae Mog and Exalted mount are too worth to not stay Night Fae 😦

[static pilot]

How much damage should ferals be doing in pvp? had a 3 minute 2;s pvp match and my friend did 1.1k dps with his top damage as thorns. I'm feeling like its kinda low, but im not sure

[deft tapir]

Ferals pretty much mostly just do damage on gos it feels like rn

But top damage as thorns is probably not right

what cr?

[static pilot]

he is around 1400 rn

[deft tapir]

night fae?

[static pilot]

yea

his convoke got fucked

[deft tapir]

you disc or a dps?

[static pilot]

holy

[deft tapir]

pala?

[static pilot]

when he stuns kt i stun/fear off target

priest

and then mindgames/bang kt

[deft tapir]

I mean I definitely wonder if he's setting up properly, but then again if it's against two melees with no purge, if thorns is his top that's not thaaat crazy.

[static pilot]

was vs shamen pally

rresto*

shamen

[deft tapir]

Maybe it's just optimizing damage, but on my way to 1.8 I pretty much get outdamaged by most casters, and most melee.

as feral.

But we win because of gos

[static pilot]

When i play on my higher cr characters feral seems like they have a ton of pressure and its hard to respond. I just have no clue how to play feral

[deft tapir]

Depends what leggo they're using too.

and depends on who they're hitting.

Ferals pressure vs arms/pal is a yoke

[pallid coral]

Tony is playing circle kyrian

[deft tapir]

I wonder why

Does any other class/spec have the fuckin leggo midlife crisis feral has rn?

People all use different fuckin leggos lol

[static pilot]

my friend doesnt have a leggo =[

[deft tapir]

oh well thats a big deal

[pallid coral]

Bleed damage against double plate maybe

[deft tapir]

The dot offheal heals for nothing

[vital parcel]

wait

[pallid coral]

spread dam i could deffinetly believe

[deft tapir]

like regrowths hot is pitiful

[pallid coral]

yeah the off heal ing value is close to nonexistenty

nah he's guard aff

[vital parcel]

why would u go circle, and not FF

[pallid coral]

because circle does very little for FF

If you're playing Circle for spread pressure, which is what i can only assume

[deft tapir]

yeah @vestal citrus thats pretty much my experience with jungle so far the expac

[pallid coral]

then BT is much better

[static pilot]

i feel bad for hydra tbh

[vital parcel]

feelsbadman

[pallid coral]

Myway's positioning has been so good in these cleave matchups

Wonder if tony will bring out the necro LI tech

[deft tapir]

I feel like it's basically the only leggo that's a consistent damage number increase. Maybe that's why

for spread at least

tony damage

[pallid coral]

Yeah he didn't play ferocious wound either

why would that be weird?

he's playing survival

they have kill command

[deft tapir]

Guess he's just dumping rips the entire game, no point in bite pvp talent

[pallid coral]

he played both yeah

[vital parcel]

is haste the stat for feral?

or is tony high?

[deft tapir]

tony is playing bleeds

so haste is a stat

[vital parcel]

i c

[pallid coral]

they're swapping to marks for next game it looks like

and symmetry

[edgy shale]

he's switching to kyrian

[pallid coral]

he played kyrian that game

[deft tapir]

kyrian eye pog

[pallid coral]

He's playing kyrian symmetry FF next game

[edgy shale]

well i mean he's switching to non-circle yeah

[vital parcel]

[pallid coral]

and kasu marks

surv plays ranged a lot of the time atm

they only really melee to dump latent raptors

[deft tapir]

mm :o

[pallid coral]

F2k beat this team in quali's

yeah

[deft tapir]

have a hard time vs this type of comp so lookin to see what they do

[pallid coral]

Tony's not playing balance affinity this time tho

bro

watch their quali game against this

it was the sickest shit

[deft tapir]

Was that the necro circle games?

[pallid coral]

nah they played kyrian on this map

but the way they played it

was sick as fuck

[deft tapir]

but the bt circle one?

[pallid coral]

with knocks

nah he was FF kyrian iirc

in the qualis

[edgy shale]

oh lmao u mean he played balance aff and just typhooned ppl off?>

thats funny

[pallid coral]

yeah

and hunter played double knock too

and they just chained knocks on DR

[deft tapir]

they making it work

I'll be kinda sad if bleed build becomes meta, ONLY because it'll force necro

[pallid coral]

Medical emergency @vestal citrus

sciatica

hydra's ability to manage mana th is game

is sick

tony cycloning himself there is rou gh

well th ey're never killing warrior

so it's just another damage reduction for his pala

where as the ret warrior are happy to kill hunter or feral

on swaps

yeah thats because you want to play to win the game

instead of dampening a disc

[bright prairie]

Feral looks like such an active spec in 3's

[edgy shale]

is that the normal leggo rets run or are they really just both running defensive leggos for damp

[pallid coral]

uh

well its the normal leggo that they run

in awc

because basically all the rets dampen

[deft tapir]

kinda yeah

[edgy shale]

[deft tapir]

I'm just happy these games aren't hpal/fire mage

they're so much more entertaining

[pallid coral]

i like watching jungle but man i hate watching ret warrior

ret warrior is just so damp

because warrior plays omega defensive setups

and rets playing tank legendary

and WOGing his little heart out

[deft tapir]

yeah damp sucks

[pallid coral]

doesn't look like any changes from f2k

merce sharpen this game

[deft tapir]

has tony ever run the bark leggo?

[edgy shale]

any ferals in NA?

[gloomy token]

its ya boi

[tardy hare]

No, only eu

[edgy shale]

[junior plover]

Tony lost?

[deft tapir]

[junior plover]

[gloomy token]

:C

[junior plover]

Next time for sure

[cold escarp]

where do you see this?

[junior plover]

wtf he played survi?

Survi top8

thats wild

[edgy shale]

he played both ya

[twilit siren]

what dr is hibernate?

[low falcon]

eye of fearful symmetry still the go to for feral pvp? was just browsing wowhead and was curious if anything has changed

[stark hamlet]

eye of fearful symmetry is big burst 🙂

[edgy shale]

yo wtf I usually use this for DRs and I can't even find hibernate

some sources say its a disorient, but I dont think thats true

idk

im confused as shit

https://www.wowhead.com/crowd-control-diminishing-returns-wow-pvp

[charred junco]

Pretty sure it's a disorient

[edgy shale]

@clear pulsar

yea prob face will know tyho

[wind tendon]

question : balance pvp arena , Ilvl or vers ? i can take an item with vers but lose 20 ilvl on it. going down from 220 ilvl to 200. what would be better

[hushed bluff]

Will a non talented moonfire in feral form kill grounding totem? Anyone know?

[twilit siren]

yeah that's why I asked I assume it's disorient

[edgy shale]

u can't use moonfire in cat form untalented

[edgy shale]

its not worth losing 20 ilvl for vers. the rule is ~7 ilvl is worth. like if u have a 220 non-vers vs. a 213 vers item. prob take the 213, but its still debatably better to take the 220. only exception is jewerlry cuz no main stat

[wind tendon]

alright thank you

[edgy shale]

ok, this is the cheesiest fucking thing on the planet but I've been doing this w/ first strike and its kinda hilarious

if it doesn't 1 shot sum1 /afk

[tiny oar]

[tiny oar]

Its poly DR ya

[foggy ravine]

hibernate is an incap

[edgy shale]

wait

isn't that incap

yea

[foggy ravine]

cyclone is a disorient

[edgy shale]

yeah

thast why i was confused cuz i knew they didnt' share dr

but a lot of websites were saying hibernate was disorient

[foggy ravine]

I always laugh a bit when I hibernate another druid

[edgy shale]

i never do it out of respect to my fellow beast

unless they do it to me

then all bets are off

[foggy ravine]

lol

some druids have even let me DR hibernate on them

like wut

[tiny oar]

I do it to piss ferals off

4 fun

[foggy ravine]

lol ferals must hate it

[edgy shale]

yeah resto druids are so annoying for feral

bash>hibernate>triple clone

leave me alone!!

altho i guess u can just shift and not ge thibnerated

whatever

[foggy ravine]

usually I use the hibernate when the feral is on a teammate so they aren't looking at my cast as much maybe

[edgy shale]

hibernate>bash>triple clone makes more sense

[foggy ravine]

thats legit like a 20second cc chain

[edgy shale]

ya lol

[twilit siren]

for feral pvp koryan I go ci, born in the wilds, free fr? Last one conflux or bite?

[harsh jasper]

earthwarden or SOTF for FC pvp ?

[surreal heron]

sotf seems to be the popular pick

[jaunty quiver]

For balance rbgs, am i just a starfall bot?

[edgy shale]

the absolute opposite

[jaunty quiver]

okay good, i dont touch starfall and try to just blow people up

[edgy shale]

starfall is just pad it doesn't do meaninful damage a majority of the time

CA into x5 SS does

yeah, exactly right

[jaunty quiver]

word, thank you

[edgy shale]

[tulip falcon]

survival of the fittest, you wont get much usage out of earthwarden

[grand valley]

so to get the 5 S I assume you use CA with a full bar then convoke and use 2 more?

[real spire]

should I craft boat on legs or feet?

[hallow topaz]

starfall doesn't stop people from capping flags right?

[edgy shale]

it does not

[edgy shale]

no its 5 SS completely in a row. u have dots on everyone and use FoE

[harsh jasper]

TY, thats what I thought but I thought I was mising something

[edgy shale]

so like have all dots up, use CA, foe, then u spam ur 5 SS

as far as i understand, i main feral

[grand valley]

oh, I just got started in boom and I was apparently one the the plebs that thought all that starfall damage was doing good pressure lol

[edgy shale]

well, since the rbg meta is double disc there are certain rot comps with boomy/spriest/aff that can make their goal ooming the enemy healers, but in general just spamming SS and nuking someone instantly is a lot better

easy to heal a little bit of damage to everyone, but kinda tough to heal thru spamming 15k+ crits

[steady socket]

guardian druid just procced a full moon during his boomkin aff convoke. is that a bug? or is that a thing

[edgy shale]

its a thing

only boomy convoke got FM removed

[surreal heron]

owlvoking is

legacy for cc immunity, bait interrupts and blast full moons

https://streamable.com/40qrwh

[steady socket]

lmfao

okay cool, had to make sure i wasn't seeing things

[queen copper]

Pretty sure it’s a bug but yes that’s how it works atm

Resto feral and guardian cam proc it

[surreal heron]

just seems like an oversight, they forgot about affinities when nerfing it

[alpine matrix]

So I swapped to Kyrian. I have a 210 boots Boat and a 190 Timeworn Ring. But all the top players are going timeworn chest. I have enough for a 190 chest is it worth making the chest leggo or just stick to the ring?

[potent plaza]

is that only with balance affinity?

[surreal heron]

yes

[outer wraith]

is there an ideal druid dps spec to go with hpal in 2s or is it anything goes

[valid cape]

Got elite playing strictly guardian in RBGs. Been playing at high mmr most of the way. Lock has been 2500 since week 2. If anybody has questions for RBGs as guardian lmk

[dark scroll]

What did you feel were your biggest challenges as guardian and how did you work around them?

[edgy shale]

sounds like an SAT essay prompt

[tardy hare]

Not getting kicked out of the BG while being afk.

[dark scroll]

Shhh, let me make people do my homew-

HAH

[remote zealot]

so my alt is a druid, started feral and went boomie for rbgs, also interested in resto

currently night fae and enjoying it, whats the best catch all cov?

nf?

[valid cape]

@dark scroll Finding a team that doesn’t kick you instantly because you don’t play boomy for non-fc maps. Guardian is MVP in team fights for soaking and reducing damage

[dark scroll]

Does protector of the pack still count towards healing on BG scoreboard?

[midnight mountain]

which lego do I use for FC?

[tardy hare]

The only maps you should go boomy on is kotmogu or ss mines

[tardy hare]

Sleeper

[dark scroll]

I remember always being top healing/damage when you could redirect into brambles

[midnight mountain]

thanks

actually while i'm here, whats the talent build for FC?

[valid cape]

@remote zealot depends NF is for the memes but IMO Kyrian is the safer pick because of the buff every <1 minute. People are reluctant to play against the meta tho. Convoke gets insta kicked or grounded

You play Sleeper every map, no other leggo is viable

[tardy hare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282986412624838666/809835006263820339/8f8bb9bab4a10d4517b062e1af268e87.png

[valid cape]

I would never play Wild Charge

[tardy hare]

Well we all do

[valid cape]

Renewal is better in about every scenario

[tardy hare]

No

[dark scroll]

Yeah the point as FC is to live and get away from enemies. Good players will catch you on a shift out of bear to charge

But I'm a dumb cat so idk what I'm talking aboit

[tardy hare]

Yeah at 2.4 this still doesnt happen

So dont expect it to happen anywhere

[valid cape]

As soon as you wild charge out of form a decent rogue will step and kill you, never worth taking

[tardy hare]

Thats not happening

[lime light]

@clear pulsar scroll up for a screen shot that u collecting, almost 2.2k more rating in rbgs than in arena

[tardy hare]

At all

They're hella slow

Besides

Youre mostly on stun dr

Or have incarn up

Therefore being unccable

[surreal heron]

legacy works outside of bear form

[tardy hare]

Horde Twin peaks boomy flap cheese

[dark scroll]

They've won me over renewal 📉 wild charge 📈

[midnight mountain]

flap cheese?

[tardy hare]

Boomy wildcharge off alliance base then flap

[midnight mountain]

kk

[tardy hare]

Gg youre now across the river

Theyre gonna be on global most of the time as well anyway

Its not like they think

Perhaps in the next 30 seconds he might wildcharge to a teammate

So i should keep my stun ready!

[midnight mountain]

is it vers mast for bear in pvp?

[edgy shale]

lol stop being bullies

[heady geode]

Hey guys, im considering leveling up my boomkin, but i wanted to get some input for boomkin players.
Is boomkin very complicated to learn and how flexible is it atm with different comps

I know every1 seems to think boomkin is Godtier in pvp atm, but id love to get to know the weaknesses of the spec aswell

[clear pulsar]

The main weakness is that

You may fall asleep when you sit in bear form for 5 seconds

[stray sigil]

what is this guardian nonesense in my server again

[clear pulsar]

Its rbger talk bro just look the other way

[edgy shale]

poor guy came in here and just wanted to be happy w/ 2400 RBG rating

[clear pulsar]

Dont listen to duka, kyrian is near useless for resto. Night fae is at least playable and convoke is an impactful spell for all specs. Kyrian could be argued is better for the dps specs, but it's more so personal preference tbh, and necro is a big upgrade from nf for resto, but you can achieve any rating cutoff you want as night fae too, just gotta play a bit better.

[stray sigil]

kyrian bis

[edgy shale]

we all know the best overall druid cov is venthyr

[clear pulsar]

Necro cat

Damn tony lost

Feelsbad got matched into a melee cleave

[lime light]

Ofc

[edgy shale]

they got destroyed dude

it was like stopping hitting them they're already dead level

[lime light]

I dont even know when

I drink too mu h whiskey

This days

They won first series and i dont remember

What was after that

[edgy shale]

when i started watching it was at the end and they just got 3-0'd by ret/war/rsham so idk

[lime light]

MonkaS

Idk why flyn left

I think hydra tweeted they are looking for a magus

Most of the teams are xD

[edgy shale]

fuck magi

[edgy shale]

@stray sigil

[tiny oar]

[blissful belfry]

i was watching some arena boomy stream and the dude kept surging with no eclipse rollin man, so triggered

[lime light]

Lmao

The kid Feji

Made his own cult

Nice propaganda

He could be a new stalin

[tiny oar]

Curio cult

Let's go fuji

[tardy hare]

That sounds like me on boomy

[blissful belfry]

im legit tilted. im much more pve oriented than pvp, and seeing those surges on 80% hp target out of eclipse, man it hurts. And he was playin dreambinder kyrian, which is fine, but he wasnt doin 4-5 surge goes... i cri

[tardy hare]

[blissful belfry]

y u even play dreambinder if the most surge u throw in a row is 2

[edgy shale]

@lime light what leggo should I make? i wanna join ur cult

[loud wedge]

Is kyrian competative for boomers in rbg?

[blissful belfry]

Yes

[loud wedge]

Viale for Guardian aswell?

[clear pulsar]

It's bis on ring but I made mine on necklace too

[clear pulsar]

It's a decent defensive coupled with Phial

[edgy shale]

my neck is poop

[clear pulsar]

Soulshape feels nice when you're running back, I recall a few fast caps that I barely got with Soulshape

But Convoke isn't that hot

If you're FCing

Kyrian spell is a 15% dr + 175 mastery

And then Phial

Altho if you're FCing, Mikanikos probably better than Pelagos

And then you can just have Pelagos setup for boomie

[loud wedge]

If you fc, you boomer Affinity and hit the rogue with a full moon btw

Really wondering if i should take the leap, because convoke feels like my only win condition in arena..

[queen drift]

Kyrian is the way

[loud wedge]

Hahaha

Im going kyrian fuck it

[queen drift]

NF needs to much setup

Too*

[clear pulsar]

Snutz and dilly playing together?

Liiiike thug cleave?

Ah aight

Dilly needs to come back to tourneys

Bring out the BM

I hear it's BREOKEN rn

[loud wedge]

Bm feral any good?

Or do you need the setup of mm/surv?

[deft tapir]

bm feral very good

[clear pulsar]

MM doesn't really add to the 'setup'

[deft tapir]

stun traps every 3 seconds

[clear pulsar]

It doesn't even have intim stun

[deft tapir]

surv>bm>mm for easy setups

surv has their own trap setup on a short cd, bm has their own on a longer cd so you can rotate stun traps, mm has the least I guess

[clear pulsar]

Yeah but Mm burst nashty

Ofc

[deft tapir]

true, but imo I'd take less burst for consistent setups at my rating

[lime light]

@edgy shale Doom winds amen

[manic shard]

for guardian druid FC do you run barkskin leggo?

[edgy shale]

yessir tian sir

[wispy edge]

Sleeper

[tiny oar]

Legacy of the sleepeR

[manic shard]

kk ill check it out

[clear pulsar]

@tiny oar hitting dead bodies with the frognado is better than bear hump https://gyazo.com/f4a3414da1897a7c06795a296608b9b8

[edgy shale]

i use frog

🐸

[clear pulsar]

Like your pp

[edgy shale]

[clear pulsar]

Damn

That was a good funny

[lime light]

Glypheminem

[tiny oar]

Nice bag dude @clear pulsar

[glad knot]

do you run burrs or pod for moonkin rbgs/pvp?

[clear pulsar]

Not that burrs does anything but

Niya is big dam

And pod is kinda trash

[rich kraken]

What are boomie talents for RBG'S? Same as arena or?

[glad knot]

what about paralytic posion?

if burrs is useless

[clear pulsar]

2nd potency generally bin too tho

[glad knot]

tho i might need the endurance conduit

[clear pulsar]

It's like

Conflux >>> all for potency

Burrs is like, it's some damage ye!?

Like maybe 3 or 4% of your overall

It's about the same as fury of hte skies I think

So you just get some bit of overall dam + 2nd endurance

[junior plover]

Burrs

[radiant moon]

Wondering why 70% of rbg guards take resto affinity over balance? Swapping to base form to heal sounds pretty dangerous; vortex is cool(ish); but is it better than being able to swap to Moonkin and convoke?

[bitter harness]

and flap

[lime light]

So going boomkin and convoking isn't dangerous but swapping to normal and offhealing is

[bitter harness]

boomkin has more armor

[lime light]

Ah ye sure

[bitter harness]

[lime light]

[junior plover]

Idk depends on the map I'm sure

I can't imagine a fc guardian not being resto

Like what

Ursol's is so good for FC

[radiant moon]

Ok so it really revolves around smart use of ursol's vs possible cheese boom convoke?

I'm probably not appreciating or using Ursol's enough ...

Same argument for switching out to use my resto affinity heals

So it's all about Ursol's it seems

Got you

I hadn't appreciated the wonders of Ursol's

Many thanks!

[marsh pollen]

why cant you hibernate xuen

its a tiger

[glad knot]

hmm its a beast

probably a bug

[edgy shale]

@stray sigil the bt curio takes its 1st victim

[clear pulsar]

[edgy shale]

[junior plover]

[junior plover]

2nd victim you mean

and its you

buying into the false hype

[clear pulsar]

Kiosk in denial cuz his brain can only handle triple bite symmetry

[junior plover]

how dare u

i'm gonna pilot savage roar FF curio to 3k

watch me

[clear pulsar]

Li necro or bust

[edgy shale]

the hype is real.

[primal bane]

can anyone do anything about karma?

[edgy shale]

yeah, wait 10 seconds

[tall knoll]

Monk can diffuse magic it

Im still not sure when to go better incarn vs starlord as boomie in arena/rbgs

Getting that haste buff is nice and consistent after dumping ss. But i dont feel like its making that big of an impact

Especially in like 2v2 when a melee is on me constantly

Yeah i know thats why i was asking. Im usually taking starlord anyway cause it feels so bad when im just holding convoke.

Better incarn that is

[clear pulsar]

Thing is

Use convoke for the mastery buff

Then incarn pop off after

Bait them into feeling safe cuz you dumped Convoke and it didn't kill

Then you slap with 400 mastery buff 5 surges after