pvp

[sturdy horizon]

No I wanna play Guardian only

[severe viper]

[harsh jasper]

Burrs or Poison for Nya?

[stuck talon]

burrs

shit, burrs is open this week, looks like i need to login :/

[haughty compass]

Burrs is nuts

[twilit siren]

in temple of koth are the bearers suppose to just run far away from enemy blob as far as possible? I feel like it only increase opportunities for some stealth to blow us up and a hastened split res

[north mist]

is necrolord+lunar inspiration+ circle leggo any good in pvp

[harsh jasper]

Burrs seems nuts, but is it worth giving up the second potency ?

Im assuming I would drop taste for blood, keep conflux, then get burrs?

Almost seems like a trade off

[turbid jolt]

yeah i wasn't sure to drop taste or conflux

i feel like i want to drop conflux?

so i can still try to do the triple heavy bite with berserk / tf / symm

[stone nest]

I mean everything else kinda sucks in that tree

[turbid jolt]

next week will be interesting to try out first strike

[stone nest]

I might play around with tireless pursuit and somnambulist

Wanna see if I can zoom

Especially with wars and monks being so common and pumping. Anything to help kite.

[tiny oar]

Zoom fucking zoom

[stone nest]

Throw oath on for the lols too

[tiny oar]

Thinking about dropping innate for tireless sounds interesting tho might try out it

[turbid jolt]

tireless is awesome

and if you flicker you get a little extra speed on top of the normal flicker increase iirc

[stone nest]

With how much I’m going in and out of travel form kiting it’s so nice

[north mist]

going from double potency to burrs was like 150 dps increase on my sim but that was on my rogue idk how it would affect druids

[stone nest]

How much damage is burrs?

[split bluff]

somnambulist doesn't work in arena though

[haughty compass]

Burrs > 1.4% dmg

[stone nest]

Is that confirmed?

[split bluff]

ye just got removed

for me

upon zoning in

[stone nest]

Why tf would they not let that work but let the pod stay in

Blizzard is legit stupid

[split bluff]

I mean they enabled convenants for pvp in the first place

what do you expect

they just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks

[haughty compass]

Sonnambulist?

[split bluff]

20% movement speed for 30min

when you spend 60sec in rested area

it gets removed inside any instance

just checked in mists

[stone nest]

I was looking forward to being a zoomy boy. That takes all the fun out of that

[split bluff]

this whole row is pretty uninspiring for such deep tier

to say the least

[stone nest]

Well they did flip the soul binds on their head at the start

[tulip falcon]

every soulbind has a row of useless shit that doesn't really do anything

its just another one of those

idk why people expected it to be anything but that

[split bluff]

well when things like swift patrol work in instances

you'd expect this to work too

[stone nest]

If pod works everything should work.

[tulip falcon]

I don't get it

what's the relevance of pod?

[stone nest]

Something that’s obviously dumb and shouldn’t be in arena?

[split bluff]

guess you never had an ulti sac put on it

xd

[tulip falcon]

I'm aware of how it works

Just don't see how it's relevant to this

[split bluff]

that makes you and the devs designing it I guess

[stone nest]

It’s not even that. Any b Rez obviously shouldn’t work. It’s not even a big deal killing it but it shows something in the soul binds that doesn’t really have a place. But then a speed boost which potentially does have a place is excluded

[tulip falcon]

Right... but then you'd have imbalance between the soulbinds because currently each one of them have a row that doesn't do a whole lot

[modern flicker]

I wouldn't care as much if it weren't able to get sac'd :(

[tulip falcon]

dreamweaver wouldn't have that if you could have a perma 20% movement increase

swift patrol is useless in arena and nature's splendor provides no gameplay benefit

korayn has 5% mounted movement speed to people behind you which again is useless and the other one saves you repairing your weapon

[stone nest]

Does get in formation work in arena?

For travel form?

[split bluff]

it doesnt even work outside of arena for travel forms speed itself

[tulip falcon]

it's mounts, not travel form

so again

the other 2 soulbinds have a useless row

why would dreamweaver not have the same

[forest kite]

I played against boomy ret pally in 2s last night they literally ran for 15 minutes healing themselves just to lose. So fucking annoying.

[stone nest]

I feel like you are arguing that cause other things are shit that means it all should be shit.

[tulip falcon]

you're going into a whole different topic now

i would prefer if all of the rows had some use

[dusty sphinx]

The only reason they allowed podtender in arena is because it's the first row unlock

[tulip falcon]

but clearly blizz has designed all of them to have some "fun" or QoL row

hence why dreamweaver does

whether that is a good design or not is another topic

[dusty sphinx]

It seems like they think "if we add a bunch of stupid stuff people won't take it as seriously", even though some other stuff gives a shit ton of power

[tulip falcon]

faerie dust and somnambulist is your "fun / QoL" row for dreamweaver

hence why it doesn't work in arena

if somnambulist work in instanced that'd be broken af

compared to other soulbinds

you claim that pod is incredibly broken yet many people are using niya and korayn

[split bluff]

and many more will when final tier gets unlocked

[tulip falcon]

it's all about balance between choosing soulbinds

[stone nest]

Im not saying pod is broke. I’m saying it doesn’t have a place in arenas vs a speed boost

[dusty sphinx]

But it's not being compared to the speed boost. It's up against the other first row options

[tulip falcon]

you are comparing different parts of the soulbind without looking at it as a whole

[dusty sphinx]

^

[tulip falcon]

it doesn't make much sense to me

[dusty sphinx]

And did you honestly, for even a second, believe that 20% movespeed would be acceptable? :P

[haughty compass]

20% bonus speed vs something that is only useful if you die

[tulip falcon]

in place of a QoL row that other soulbinds have at that

[haughty compass]

Hmmmm

[stone nest]

That’s fine. It doesn’t have to. I don’t think we are going to come to an agreement and yes you get That just from tireless pursuit

[tulip falcon]

??

[haughty compass]

The more ilvl we get the less useful pod is

[tulip falcon]

Somnambulist would essentiallly be permanent if it lasts 30 mins

In an arena

[haughty compass]

I can get it with a star surge and a moonfire now

[stone nest]

Apparently I’m wrong which is fine. I just disagree with choosing pieces of a whole.

And I understand first row all that

[tulip falcon]

Cool, but you need to look at each soulbind as a whole and see how it's all balanced within each other so that one isn't stupidly overpowered compared to the others

[placid mirage]

I wish burrs procced more than once every 50 abilities

[split bluff]

no1 will pick dreamweaver when all tiers get unlocked though

[placid mirage]

Or that the poison wasn't dogshit

Burrs feels really anticlimactic for a renown 30 ability

[tulip falcon]

think im gonna go korayn once we hit 31

[placid mirage]

Yeah maybe

[tulip falcon]

first strike looking juicy

[haughty compass]

Yea for real

The convoke from stealth memes tho lol

[placid mirage]

First strike with dreambinder?

[tulip falcon]

depending on how it works specifically

[placid mirage]

Gonna miss my 500 mastery tho

[tulip falcon]

like if first strike resets on combat it would be nuts

shadowmeld got another 5 sec of 25% crit gg

[placid mirage]

Lol ye

Me just sad troll

Seems like it's better for feral

[junior plover]

Niya sounds better for convoke from stealth

[placid mirage]

Shifting into moonkin from stealth and then hitting them First, not even in eclipse yet for 25% crit

[tulip falcon]

it'll defo be good for feral

[placid mirage]

I'm just gonna go guardian and stand in one place for 15% dr

[tulip falcon]

will make openers easier with more primal fury procs

[placid mirage]

Gonna use it for my feral aff guardian arenas

[split bluff]

you can have a total of 15sec of it

in theory

[tulip falcon]

do we know if it resets on combat breaking yet?

[placid mirage]

What if u are pepega horde player and not based nelf

[split bluff]

if you attack each target when last buff is about to expire and dodge all dmg

[tulip falcon]

yea but gl with that

[stone nest]

The final row abilities were initially what we have on the first row so I’m sure most of them now feel lesser.

[placid mirage]

It definitely feels lesser

[split bluff]

wonder if you can proc it off pets

[stone nest]

Yeah night elfs are low key going to get a big buff

[west pewter]

What legendary would you guys take into Rated battlegrounds as a resto druid?

[placid mirage]

At the very least I wish it wasn't a dumbass proc on the ground

[stone nest]

Mother tree

[placid mirage]

Does burrs proc off starfall damage

I doubt it

It only goes off of casts right

[west pewter]

Okay ty ^^ Is circle totally bad tho? or Vision?

[haughty compass]

I am Doing necro circle, but I do balance with friends on my alt at times too

[stone nest]

Vision won’t have enough people to get rolling. Circle may not be terrible if your haste is high but you’ll oom big time

[west pewter]

Okay ty ^^ Will look into Mother ^^

[golden shard]

I am having a mother of a time in pvp on my resto. I was 1900 in BFA and am constantly 1400 - 1550 now. Is anyone else having this problem or did I all of a sudden inherit suck?

[haughty compass]

Healing is harder, resto druids aren’t as good

[stone nest]

Also a much larger pool

[tough osprey]

^

Yeah it’s rough my man.

[stray sigil]

@rigid linden i like what in seeing

[placid mirage]

How many boomies here are trying to stack mastery over vers

I'm almost 30% vers but just feel like I'm not bursting hard enough, thinking of fishing for pve rings or smth

I already feel like I'm tanky enough

[versed coral]

Are there any resources for 1v1s as a boomkin. Lost a couple 1v1s in arena and looking to improve that aspect to respond correctly

[placid mirage]

Feel like the 1v1 varies widely depending on what class you are losing too

Being able to recognize their damage windows vs yours and when you need to pressure or kite

[harsh jasper]

Obviously SIMS don't reflect PVP, but I am just trying to figure out if its worth giving up that 21% extra convoke damage to drop one potency and pick up Burrs, from a PVE perspective, its only a .5% increase for me.....

once i switch my enchant to sinful that is

Does anyone have any real time details data showing burrs damage?

Or is the slow that helpful?

in pvp that is

[versed coral]

Yeah i understand no 1v1 is going to be the same but I feel so pressured against say a rogue, ret, warrior that keeping away from them to do healing or rest cds seems impossible.

I was left to 1v1 a ret yesterday no wings no ca I tried roar cyclone healing, kiting etc. Felt like I just took too much damage trying to weave casts between bear form. He was onto of me the whole time.

[little temple]

Im abit confused, is our stats Vers/haste or vers/mast? for NF druid boomer

im not sure tbh

[tardy hare]

If ret sticks to you with no escape you're doing something wrong on movement

[versed coral]

No argument there. Trinketed the roar, hindranced/ horsed the travel leap,

Didn't have anything really left for cc. Do I just have to man up and cast fake the kick while eating ret damage?

[pallid vessel]

then shift into cat and run, or mass entangle, or typhoon, or anything

there is no chance a ret should ever be able to catch you

[tardy hare]

If he trinketed roar you have free game tho

Vortex him too

[versed coral]

I had burned roar because this fame essentially started at a 1v2 with my rogue dieing to ret rogue in 2 seconds

[tardy hare]

Hindrance ks shiftable

[versed coral]

Resto affinity instead of guardian?

I mean that would make melee easier

[tardy hare]

O wait u boomy

[little temple]

What is boomies stat weights? Vers/haste or vers/mast? NF druid

[trim moth]

Thorns also helps kite with the slow.

[tardy hare]

U just kite when they pop cds

Blast outside of that

Dont waste stuff in between

[pallid vessel]

i dont think a boomy will ever win a 1v1 against an equal rogue, but if you're losing a 1v1 to a ret you gotta think more about how you're moving and kiting

[tardy hare]

Aye 1v1 gonna be sketch

Just gotta run run run

[stone nest]

Boomies will win against a rogue if they can get the kill before a re.

And really if it’s a 1v1 and your guardian aff the odds of you winning are very very low

My b didn’t see the whole thing

Definitely do able

[versed coral]

So if I remember correctly the sequence was as follows.

Get kidneyed, bark, trinket bash rogue, thorns, CA SS SS rogue dead, bear form stampede, knock, freedom, hoj, roar, his trinket, kicked clone, bear form regen, travel leap, hindrance bear form regrowth cyclone kicked on fake cat sprint horse dead

This is about 15 seconds into the game after my rogue gets murdered

[stone nest]

Roots before leap

If freedom is down

[pallid vessel]

he was playing bash there, and hard casting root is not the play there

[stone nest]

Don’t boomies get insta roots or am I tripping?

[pallid vessel]

if they take mass entangle

[stone nest]

Wtf is root beam then?

[versed coral]

Yeah I wasn't playing it due to freedom

I wanted to bash the rogue pally after trinket and convoke

[pallid vessel]

your mistake was trying to clone in melee range against a bursting ret with kick up twice

[blissful belfry]

u night fae right? soulshape is huge against wheelchair ret

[versed coral]

Yeah I failed the fake the second time which sealed it

SHIT totally didn't use a button

[pallid vessel]

you should have just ran until wings was down, and when you get some distance, hard cast root and heal yourself

freedom is only up every once in a while, and if he freedoms the typhoon daze in that situation just make distance for a second and root

[blissful belfry]

typhoon + disengage into clone for his wings is cool too

[sly marsh]

solar beam AOE silence on a rooted target

[pallid vessel]

fwiw don't not take mass entangle just because they have a freedom, its still an incredible spell.. mighty bash is probably good into that comp but if you just root beam the ret he's out of the game

as boomy you take entangle a lot more than bash in almost every situation, except against like resto druids

[versed coral]

Yeah roots are an auto pick for me typically. Unless it's resto druid or some other popular NF class. Even then it's wether or not bash would significantly give me a better set up

I had meme dreams going into that match

[blissful belfry]

also, against double melee no healer, i like to take disarm since they cant dispell it

[pallid vessel]

yeah disarm is nutty there

[primal bane]

is lvl 180 good enough to start conq capping?

[blissful belfry]

i started conq cap on my shit ret at 160 ilvl, just understand you will be at 900 mmr

[primal bane]

well my mmr can recover once i start doing good no?

[foggy ravine]

you have a rogue

mass entangle > bash

[blissful belfry]

yes, mmr will recover once you get geared

i hate the auto delete bot

[primal bane]

ok now question 2

[placid mirage]

I want to be 90 mmr

[primal bane]

who is going to willingly play with me at 180?

while also like

[pallid vessel]

ur friends

[primal bane]

sometimes winning games?

no they wont xd

[placid mirage]

What memes said lol

[blissful belfry]

i mean, once your mmr is low enough, you'll win games

[foggy ravine]

yolo rbgs

[primal bane]

you got friends who are willing to queue up ur dogshit alts while they are at like 2.4k?

[placid mirage]

I got my boomie buddy to do 2s on my alt boomie and we got 1400 while I was 180 ilvl

[foggy ravine]

no one is going to want to do 2s with you at 180

[blissful belfry]

the game will naturally balance your mmr to a play lvl where you win games

[placid mirage]

@primal bane get some friends who are worse at pvp

Or tell them to make alts too

[blissful belfry]

You can also play with a similar alt friend

i played ret disc. both of us 150-160 ilvl

with my old get hikku in hand

[placid mirage]

Once/if I hit 2.4k in rbg though I'm just gonna yolo my cr anyways

Doesn't matter after wep upgrade

[tough osprey]

Are you an rbg cat?

[placid mirage]

Rbg chicken

Me small brain cat hard

[tough osprey]

Not impressed now

Lol

[placid mirage]

I am thoroughly unimpressive

I just try to follow directions

[tough osprey]

I’m still in the 1600 mmr paradigm trying to break out

Had to hang up the resto gear and sell my soul to the thunder chicken life

[tulip falcon]

if u hit 2.4 u might as well keep playing for hero

will be easy to get

[placid mirage]

Maybe but it's stressful

[forest storm]

how to reduction solar bean cds, I have seen boony with 40 seconds to 35 seconds of cd of the solar beam

[stone nest]

The higher you get the more toxic rbgs are. If you are pugging that is

[tulip falcon]

even if you're not pugging lol

[tough osprey]

But if you’re equally as toxic they take you in as their own

[stone nest]

I got 2.1 and am thinking about playing with my 0 CR friends

[tardy hare]

after next week im gonna be full gear and have glad

im tanking

EVERYTHING

[stone nest]

Only thing holding me back are my last couple slots I need to fill

[tardy hare]

to the sewers

[stone nest]

Then I’ll carry those poor dudes that pay for 1400 carries for free.

Apparently the b word is banned in here haha

[tardy hare]

what b word

[surreal heron]

guess

[tardy hare]

aaah wait

b as tar d

[surreal heron]

[stone nest]

Banned!

I apologize for my sins

[tulip falcon]

boobies

[tardy hare]

autofilter still hella gay

smh

[stone nest]

Butthole

[tardy hare]

even salt water potion is auto filtered cause if you write it like in game it has t w a t in it

fucking warden

[tulip falcon]

its not anymore

[surreal heron]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[tulip falcon]

saltwater

[tardy hare]

wait wtf

[tulip falcon]

yea it got changed i think

[tardy hare]

pog

justice

[stone nest]

So weird that that’s the word that’s banned. Like why are the other words not included haha

[tardy hare]

yeah Thyme

go all the way or dont

smh

inconsistent!!!!

[surreal heron]

bastard is caught in the filter because it shares a set of words that's also included in "retard"

[tropic schooner]

marketwatch

[tardy hare]

thought so ye

[stone nest]

Ah makes sense

[tulip falcon]

such a salTWATer

gonna get it filtered again

[surreal heron]

yeah probably

give an inch, they take a mile

[stone nest]

Test. Simp

Still better than twitch

[tardy hare]

yes

xd

[tulip falcon]

LOL

[surreal heron]

[tardy hare]

cant even talk about my favorite desert

custar d pudding

[stone nest]

Lol

[tardy hare]

flawed system tbh

[forest kite]

Any kyrian timeworn boomies in here 2400+?

[tardy hare]

no only venthyr boomies here

[forest kite]

Ah alright damn.

[pallid vessel]

im almost embarrassed to admit i dont actually even know what the venthyr druid ability is, literally no clue

when i made my druid i went twists of fate, picked night fae, and never went to revendreth

[blissful belfry]

3min cd stacking haste when you cast. stuns and dmg you if you stop

could have been good in pve, pvp i dont reckon

[hushed pivot]

Haste damage and heal increase

Crit chance as well with the conduit

[tough osprey]

Do it for the lore

No one kicks or silences until 2k anyway

[hushed pivot]

The only downside is the biggest downside and is the only covenant ability with a downside

If you stop casting (unless you get stunned or cc’ed) 2-3 second timer pops up and if it runs out you get stunned for 1 second and damage % of health

[tough osprey]

1 second of risk vs endless possibilities of reward

Nah for real though don’t take that in any pvp situation seriously

[hushed pivot]

It lines up with CA nicely, but unless they remove that “you must always be casting” requirement, it’s less than ideal

[topaz arch]

what is the best lego for resto in 2s?

[stone nest]

Verdant for healing. People like draught for dps as well. You are more flexible in 2s than 3s.

[stiff karma]

Yo you guys, how hard is it to learn balance for pvp? And do you think they will get nerf?

[cinder saddle]

What lego do you guys like for guardians in RBG?

[surreal heron]

popular pick is Legacy

[forest kite]

What's my fastest route to 1800 strictly to grab some gear for raiding

[primal bane]

RBG

[forest kite]

well.. i got to 1700. boomie and now i'm stuck at winning 50% losing 50%

maybe i should try another role?

[sly marsh]

Doubt we get nerfed too hard, boomie is good but it’s not overrepresented at the top of the ladder

[weak hinge]

@stiff karma boomie is pretty easy tbh. and i doubt we get nerf. we already had our broken oneshot nerfed. now we only have a half broken oneshot

[vast vapor]

imagine blizz not limiting arena roles

doublehpals :))))

[pallid vessel]

balance is quite easy but also quite annoying in 2s, you can get shut down pretty hard without much you can do about it

very straight forward and easy in 3s tho

i would be shocked if balance got pvp nerfs specifically considering major outliers above them, but i never know the crap blizz comes up with

[primal bane]

ye riksu

that was actualyl my first conclusion when i started playing wow and had my first glimpse of pvp

healers just break pvp

wow pvp is weird where most pvp games pretty evenly distribute power

so your value as a player will be ok in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, with minimal shifts

[vast vapor]

would be so fun to fight something like 2hpalwar

or 2hpalfmage

[primal bane]

can rsham use skyfury?

[vast vapor]

yes

[primal bane]

think best comp would be hpal, rsham, fmage

or even x2 hpal and ret

[true pendant]

U cant que double healer or tank anymore

Thank god

[fallow panther]

You can still queue tank/healer right? So Hpal/Ppal/fmage? 😛

[true pendant]

Yes

[split bluff]

why stop there go double healer + prot

[sand panther]

Only 182 geared, but starsurge hitting pretty weakly (a few thousand) even when I pop cooldowns. What is it that makes starsurge really slam (have heard some big numbers floated)? Aside from obviously more gear... is it BOAT or other things added on top?

[split bluff]

mainly boat

[blissful belfry]

Boat + niya mastery + incarn + on use trinket

• conflux

On a mastery/vers heavy set up

[split bluff]

ye but outside of this boat pumps

get into eclipse get 1-2 crits

[potent void]

is using incarn + convoke together wasteful because convoke doesn’t scale with haste

[split bluff]

it's not if you kill shit

:P

[vast vapor]

definetely not

[tropic kiln]

For Nya, are you guys dropping conflux or taste for blood? I'm playing low mmr 2s.

[junior plover]

Cope take of the day

[thorny venture]

b;eh

losing an AV cause some idiot pulled a GY commander into drek's room

[stone nest]

I’m going to drop tfb as resto

[fervent tendon]

hey guys im new to guardian as an rbg pvper was wondering if there is any resource on talents to take for base sitting vs flag capping, legendaries etc

[vale crystal]

Are burrs good in pvp

[fervent tendon]

yes

[vale crystal]

You need legacy of the sleeper and barkskin leggo

[deft pivot]

Kyrian or night fae for boomkin in pvp atm?

[weak hinge]

NF

[junior plover]

Kyrian is better if you're good

NF is better in lower brackets

[vale crystal]

Brambles, wc, usually resto aff, balance aff depending, mass entangle, incarn sotf and rend

[deft pivot]

im 2.3k on diff class

[vale crystal]

@fervent tendon

[deft pivot]

seen at the top of ladder

[vale crystal]

If you’re spinning I go balance aff and hotw

[junior plover]

Most boomies on leaderboard are kyrian

at least EU

[deft pivot]

all boomkins are goign kyriian

[junior plover]

yep

[vale crystal]

Balance aff flap is good in twin peaks

[deft pivot]

i went boomkin liking the look of convoke

[junior plover]

Nothing wrong with running convoke

[deft pivot]

but i am someone who tends to follow the high rated people

[weak hinge]

@junior plover thats because people thought its better but i swear every 2.5k+ boomy right now wants to be NF. atleast when he doesnt play with mage

[junior plover]

its seen success even in AWC

[junior plover]

If that was true they'd literally just swap

takes a few hours of renown grind

[deft pivot]

so basically both are viable

[junior plover]

Yep

[deft pivot]

depends how you wanna play

Can you explain how kyrian works?

good when you can rely on your team more?

[jolly nebula]

What are some goods comps for moonkin 3v3? Thank you!

[vale crystal]

More sustained goes

[deft pivot]

im going to try boomkin/warrior/pala i think

[vale crystal]

Synergy with fury of elune

[junior plover]

Boomkin WW is a good mixed comp, Boomkin + SPriest/Mage is also quite nice

[cinder saddle]

For balance aff while spinning, are you mostly taking the talent for the range increase? Or do you stay in moonkin form often?

[junior plover]

healer is always Hpal

[weak hinge]

@jolly nebula moonkin/hpal/x (x being: ww; warrior; DK any caster)

[vale crystal]

@cinder saddle if you’re just spinning depends on if a healers with you, sometimes you can get kills with hotw bal convoke, spinning with sleeper is good, if you got a hpal can get a free convoke with that and aura

Also can get cheeky base steals when people are trying to just cc you

Won a game like that cause a vdh thought he was stopping me with sigils

[crimson citrus]

Hey people what the best pvp legendary for feral arenas

Please

[karmic kelp]

Symmetry

[crimson citrus]

ok thanks

[tardy hare]

@tulip falcon

send his IP pls

so i can ddod

ddos

[tulip falcon]

lmao

sad days if u need to ddos tuka

[tardy hare]

need to ddos every team with my team

tbh

just met some mmr inflated pve guild tho

big pog

free win

[tulip falcon]

pretty much every 2.4 team ever

most of the top teams stopped playing mains now and just boost

so its just 2.4-2.5 pve guilds queueing

[stone nest]

The teams that scare me the most are the undergeared ones that have the cr to match the mmr.

[stiff karma]

whats the best balance leggo? and is covenant still NF after convoke nerfs?

[tulip falcon]

convoke nerfs didn't change anything its just as viable as it was before

you can go kyrian or nf

[twilit siren]

when you're sitting and warlock comes is there anything special I need to do/watch out for

can I win the 1v1?

[tulip falcon]

sitting as what spec

[twilit siren]

balance

[stiff karma]

ty for the insight ❤️

[tulip falcon]

you could win but if you want to just stop the ninja all you need to do is max range and line

nothing they can do

if you aren't confident in the fact you can kill him then just do that til someone gets there

but idk why they are sending locks to inc anyway lol

[fervent tendon]

what pvp talents do u take as bear

@vale crystal

[tardy hare]

jesus

christ

enemy team throws the biggest throw

somehow

my team manages to throw even harder

😄

[fervent tendon]

story of pugs my dude

[tardy hare]

its not pugs

[potent void]

victory goes to the second-to-last throw

[tulip falcon]

this is fine for general usage

can swap a couple of things out

[tulip falcon]

was it vs tuka?

[tardy hare]

ye

dude

they let me just ninja flag in mid

[tulip falcon]

what mmr were they lol

[tardy hare]

we cap 3rd base at same time

somehow

they lose

2nd and 3rd base

[fervent tendon]

ty @tulip falcon

[tardy hare]

after i ninja flag again

ZZZZZZ

[tulip falcon]

lol

[fervent tendon]

can I take galactic guardian?

[tardy hare]

no

you run incarn lego

incarn is longer

[tulip falcon]

no thats useless

always take incarn cos of sleeper lego

only things you'll prob wanna swap out

on occassion

resto affinity for balance affinity

raging frenzy can be used on whatever for pvp talents

but you'll probably always want to keep toughness and demo roar

[fervent tendon]

hows freedom of the herd

or den mother?

[tulip falcon]

den mother can be a good option, some people like to run it

i just prefer frenzy to dump more rage into ironfurs

[vale crystal]

Mass entanglement for flag running imo

[surreal loom]

freedom of herd is good vs boomkins

[vale crystal]

Den mother is ok, I think overrun is good for the movement

[surreal loom]

you can negate root beam on healers and mass entangles

[forest kite]

So Feral or Boomkin first person to answer picks my pvp spec

[patent dove]

boomkin

[tulip falcon]

mass entanglement is whatever

crossing the map shouldn't be where you have issues

while kiting in base you have a warlock just corruption slowing everything so taking extra things to kite with isnt really worth

[tardy hare]

we take tese

[tulip falcon]

bash is good to stop individual dps that will bang you when they send their offense

aka rets

playing without a stun feels gimped

[median kraken]

which is the feral lego you guys are using

[tardy hare]

we have a boomy and a rogue on team incing bases 24/7

but they have NEVER

ever

won a battle against another rog/boomy

[tulip falcon]

lol

[tardy hare]

like they cap

but they have NEVER won a fight

2v2

EVER

its ridiculous

am gonna get 11 rating form this win

i swear

2399

will happen

[edgy shale]

😩

[tulip falcon]

i thought you were 2.4 already

[tardy hare]

no

thats 2s and 3s

😠

[tulip falcon]

ah

[tardy hare]

my team is

fucking inting

EVERY game

[tulip falcon]

lol

[tardy hare]

it's ridiculous

you should see our losses dude

[tulip falcon]

idk what to do now

like

i dont want to queue anymore unless i know its a good group cos i know ill drop

[tardy hare]

become a pet battler

[tulip falcon]

pushing 3k rbg would be the ultimate meme tho

[tardy hare]

trtue

[stray sigil]

rbgs

[tardy hare]

3k RBG big meme

[tulip falcon]

i think its doable

just aids

[tardy hare]

dude

we're 10v9 ye

my team is still struggling

[tulip falcon]

lmao

[blissful belfry]

of course, you out here typin instead of bein gud

[tardy hare]

im on defense

[tulip falcon]

hes base defending probably

what else u gonna do

[tardy hare]

because nobody else can

[stone nest]

You guys ever have that priest cue up as shadow and throw a game? Lol

[tulip falcon]

go for a big incarn ninja cap

[stray sigil]

open netf’ix on d

[tardy hare]

no

[blissful belfry]

ghost and cap! thats what my team always does! before gettin taken their def

[tardy hare]

we int if i go out of defend

[twilit siren]

currently pugging ~2200 and generally there's a lack of coordination on focusing someone down beyond "kill X"; no calls on cross cc they just expect healers to be cc'd I guess

[blissful belfry]

he gun be typin in disc and 30 sec later ''oh no i got ninja capped''

[twilit siren]

is that normal

[stray sigil]

i didnt press clone once to 2.4 rbgs

[tardy hare]

they inc'd me

fml

[tulip falcon]

did you lose

[stray sigil]

its so easy

[tardy hare]

let me afk in peace

no i pressed incarn

lived rogue + 2 full convokes

gg

[tulip falcon]

lol

[blissful belfry]

lol

[tardy hare]

back to afk

rogeu still around tho

no incarn

😦

[tulip falcon]

its ok just press barkskin

[blissful belfry]

how do you liv edouble convoke tho, are they poopoo

[tulip falcon]

rogues at 2.7 still blind into barkskin

[tardy hare]

they blind and kidney my incarn too

very great

[tulip falcon]

lol

[blissful belfry]

hihi

[tardy hare]

i press bear form

gg

[tulip falcon]

i was facing rizzy in a game yesterday

i knew he was def so i incarn picked up flag

he was just running behind me

after the game he told someone in our team he didnt know about sleeper lego

so he was just trying to stun me

[tardy hare]

ok i barkskinned again

xd

xd

[tardy hare]

that's 300 iq

[twilit siren]

do stuns go on cd or does it say invalid target

[blissful belfry]

100% chance they go on cd

[tardy hare]

ok we out here

[tulip falcon]

[blissful belfry]

broken

[stray sigil]

go glad now ape

[tardy hare]

[blissful belfry]

nice

i wish i wasnt reet and could actually play good

[placid mirage]

Same

Close to being carried to 2.4 rbg though

2333

[stray sigil]

only 2.4 @tardy hare

[tulip falcon]

i took a risk

and went up by 4 rating!

[placid mirage]

Huge

[blissful belfry]

i need to grind 2.4 somewhere, its the only actual upgrade until denatrius mythic

..

[placid mirage]

Find ez premade

[stray sigil]

rbgs is piss easy

[tulip falcon]

2.4 in rbgs will be the easiest it will ever be

this season

[placid mirage]

Look not all of us are pvp gods ok

[blissful belfry]

yeah i just dont have the patience for rbg, i'd rather grind it in 3s. But the highest i've been this seas is 2186. still missin quite a leap

[tulip falcon]

i mean

[placid mirage]

But even if you are dumb like me u can get 2.4

[turbid jolt]

Don't you still need to win like 50 matches to get from 1600-2400

[tulip falcon]

theres a lot of pve guild that have never done rbgs before and hit 2.4-2.5

[hardy schooner]

What spec are you for RBG? Boomy or guardian? I ask because I'm trying to decide what direction to go for eating haha

[turbid jolt]

Takes a while?

[tulip falcon]

u just need to play

[tulip falcon]

you should play both if you can

i play feral/guardian

[blissful belfry]

yeah, rbg is really inflated. In my guild no one has 1800 arena rating aprat from me at 2.1, and they out there 2,2k mmr rbg team. (and i dont even play with em in rbg)

[tulip falcon]

you cant really just queue as guardian most people will expect a boomie offspec

[placid mirage]

Can you queue as just boomie tho

[stray sigil]

u could

[tulip falcon]

ye but if ur pugging having guardian will make it a lot easier

[placid mirage]

Idk what buttons to push on bear

[stray sigil]

i qd only feral to 2.4

[tulip falcon]

w and incarn

[placid mirage]

Ya but when u are sitting in base and they tickle u

[stone nest]

I’ve been pugging easily into 2.1 and above.

[stray sigil]

spam thrash put moonfire if its a eogue u win 1v1 eventually

u dont even jave to win anyways

all u do is waste time

[tulip falcon]

yea

incarn is guaranteed 30 sec of not losing a base which is enough time for someone to get there

[stray sigil]

ur just a target dummy

[placid mirage]

I mean more on fc map

[junior plover]

pretty

[placid mirage]

When ur waiting for offense to kill efc

[junior plover]

kinda funny how piss easy and inflated rbg rating is

but 2400 is still top 1700 and in 3s thats like top 3000

[stray sigil]

press incarn spam ironfur

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

thrash and dump rage into ironfur/heal

kite

only things tanks usually fail on is sitting on the spot and dying or kiting their healers and dying

[turbid jolt]

You use the duration reduc trinket or on use?

[placid mirage]

I would prob kite my healers kekw

[tulip falcon]

on use always

[stray sigil]

medaillon emblem

[placid mirage]

I never know where anyone is

[stray sigil]

cuz u run the stun reduc pvp talent

[tulip falcon]

its just knowing where ur healers are and communicating

[turbid jolt]

Good i don't think i could get used to reduction

[placid mirage]

I don't even know where my team is in 3s

[turbid jolt]

I need to make lego next week and try guardian I'm tired of resto

[ruby walrus]

I dont think RBG's are "piss easy" I think there is just alot more room to cover yourself/different skillsets . One good leader can carry a RBG team. But a bad leader can sink the team.

[stray sigil]

put marks up

[tulip falcon]

i mean its objectively true that hitting 2.4 rbgs requires significantly less skill than 2.4 in 3s

[stray sigil]

my leader is talking about stocks all game

[tulip falcon]

so rbgs is piss easy compared to 3s

[turbid jolt]

Diamond claws

[stray sigil]

ur typical rbg player is lile

[ruby walrus]

Well yeah pretty much, as far as Micro skills in 3's. RBG's are more Macro game imo

[stray sigil]

1600 with 1k ganes

[tulip falcon]

i say this as someone that basically only plays RBGs

lol

[hardy schooner]

@turbid jolt I'm in the same position. resto isnt cutting it for me as it used to.

[placid mirage]

Nice I'm 1800 with 1k games

[tardy hare]

😦

[junior plover]

1k rbgs?

[turbid jolt]

I'm feral main but yeah that's not invited

[stray sigil]

noob @tardy hare

[junior plover]

[placid mirage]

No 1k arenas

[tardy hare]

[turbid jolt]

I'm going to be like krassz

[placid mirage]

I'm 2.3k with 180 games rbg

[turbid jolt]

Sneak in and hope they don't ask what my dps spec is

[junior plover]

reddit post in the making

[placid mirage]

Lmfao true

[tulip falcon]

nah people willingly invite me as feral once i have cr

[stray sigil]

i think i have 60 games rbgs 2400 thats how piss easy it is

[ruby walrus]

Yeah goodluck getting invited as feral lol, Your better off queing as balance then switching pregame and saying "trust". THen hope you pop off

[placid mirage]

I tank my arenas a lot though

[tulip falcon]

but last season when i pugged as feral i started lying and saying i was boomer

cos i didnt know the groups

[hardy schooner]

@stray sigil As what spec?

[stone nest]

I had a feral in my group the other day that was making big dick plays

[stray sigil]

feral only

[junior plover]

You play feral in rgbs @tulip falcon ?

[tulip falcon]

yes

[junior plover]

[turbid jolt]

The dream

[junior plover]

Respect

[turbid jolt]

Do you go poke and stuff

[tardy hare]

dude seething shore is so fun xd

[placid mirage]

I think for most people if u just follow directions in rbg you can do well

I have never pvp'd and I only had to learn how to do stuff on my own around 2.3k

[tulip falcon]

i mean honestly like if you have someone who knows what they're doing calling the shots and people listen its all it needs

[junior plover]

I have a good question

how many of you rock an mmo mouse

[stray sigil]

fuck that go do what u want

[foggy ravine]

The only time you have to have any skill is sitting or ninja cap ping

[tulip falcon]

not in low groups

[foggy ravine]

Everything else ezpz

[stray sigil]

@junior plover yes

[turbid jolt]

I can't use that many thumb buttons but i use one with 6

Oh the thumb

[placid mirage]

I dunno I didn't know when to peel or when to cap stuff like that

[junior plover]

Thats plenty

[foggy ravine]

I use mouse with 12 buttons p nice was weird at first

[placid mirage]

I mostly just knew me go convoke people go smash

[junior plover]

I'm thinking i might gotta swap at some point

[stray sigil]

i use naga

[junior plover]

but I'm trying to figure out whether people actually play high level with normal mice too

[tulip falcon]

me and my friend joined a 1.8k group on our alts, we target called and told them exactly what to do. no one else spoke a word and we got them to 2.2 after stomping every game

[junior plover]

because my mouse is kinda nice ngl

[tulip falcon]

because they listened

[stray sigil]

everything is used on the mouse

[placid mirage]

I have 2 mouse buttons

[foggy ravine]

Ye naga

[turbid jolt]

Mine is logitech g602

[tulip falcon]

every taget swap was clean

[turbid jolt]

I liked the 601 better but it broke down

[twilit siren]

need leaders like that in my pug rbgs

[junior plover]

Actually gotta buy a wow only mouse not like this

[tulip falcon]

i ust a roccat aimo it just has 2 side buttons i use as modifiers

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

i used to use a naga

[placid mirage]

I need someone to lead me for 70 cr

[stray sigil]

are u na or eu

[turbid jolt]

Only thing is the thumb buttons don't work with mouseover

[placid mirage]

Na xd

[stray sigil]

are u boomy

[placid mirage]

Ye

[junior plover]

Why wouldnt they

[stray sigil]

dm me i will get u 2.4

[junior plover]

thats hella weird

[turbid jolt]

But i use it for like tigers fury cancelform skull bash... Usually stuff off gcd

[foggy ravine]

Ye Naga I just programmed them to function as f1-12 instead so mouse overs work

[stray sigil]

next time we rbg ill get u in

[junior plover]

Ehh would be nice to have modifiers on the mouse

[tardy hare]

i cant play without

[junior plover]

since i already have like 27 binds

[turbid jolt]

Idk i just don't put mouseover stuff on them anymore

[junior plover]

without any target macros

[tardy hare]

i have 52 i think

xd

[junior plover]

[foggy ravine]

I have 28 binds on the mouse alone

[stray sigil]

i have too many binds

[foggy ravine]

P nice

[junior plover]

fak

GOTTA BUY MMO MOUSE

I KEEP SAYING MICE

[foggy ravine]

12+scrolls + shift modifier

[ruby walrus]

Till like 2100 you need those types of leaders, but past that you need to just know the pally bubbled, who are other people targeting. Past that things like knowing when to peel, knowing when to stay, healing CD's. RBG's (from the prespective of a healer) seems like a mix between M raid and an Arena match

[turbid jolt]

I have somewhere in the 50s

[junior plover]

I'll probably do it after I'm done with the season tho

I can imagine readjusting to it

will be hell

[turbid jolt]

24 mouse

[foggy ravine]

Ya it took me like a week or two to adjust

[junior plover]

I'll need to change all my binds

[foggy ravine]

Yup it’s a mindfuck

[junior plover]

My brain doesnt have that much space in it

[stray sigil]

stop being a noob

just do it

[tulip falcon]

all i need to use here

[junior plover]

its occupied by programming syntax and the spaghetti recipe

[tulip falcon]

2 buttons ez clap

[stray sigil]

roccat

[pallid vessel]

i bought one of those razer orbweaver pads and it was fucking lit except for the fact that i was popping barkskin instead of shifting and shit like that

[tulip falcon]

yes

[pallid vessel]

so i stopped using it

[turbid jolt]

Target binds are a lot of them i guess

[tulip falcon]

roccat is more reliable than other shit ive used

[foggy ravine]

Ya just throw yourself into it slam an m+ and you’ll know it

[stray sigil]

almost puked in my mouth

[ruby walrus]

Plus arena binds dont work, which is annoying

[tardy hare]

without razer naga

i'd be like

1600

[stray sigil]

ya no shot

feral too many binds

for arena

[tulip falcon]

i used a naga last in like 2013

[pallid vessel]

ive been playing feral but a few of my binds are super scuffed no doubt

[foggy ravine]

What you mean you just bind ferocious bite and win ofc

[tulip falcon]

i just use

[junior plover]

Yeah if i played like

[tulip falcon]

2 buttons on my mouse as modifiers

ez

[junior plover]

WW or Arms

or DH

i'd be FIIIINE

also yeah maybe if i just swapped the buttons to modifiers

but i use one of them as autowalk

and i cant give up

that convenience

[split timber]

Guardian legendary for rated bg

[junior plover]

the berserk one

[split timber]

Why?

[junior plover]

CC immune

[tulip falcon]

sleeper lego

[junior plover]

flag carry

or cc immune stopping caps

its just good

[split timber]

And when there is noh carry

[junior plover]

u berserk to stop a cc cap

[tulip falcon]

then you base defend and dont ever lose it

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

because you have 30 sec of cc immunity

[junior plover]

the fuck is this

[tardy hare]

transformer

[ruby walrus]

Hot take Corsair Scimitar> Razer Naga

[tulip falcon]

2009 mouse?

[tardy hare]

decepticon

[junior plover]

how can i publicly admit to playing games

when mice like these

[tardy hare]

whatever

[junior plover]

exist

[tardy hare]

bro

[tulip falcon]

i stopped using razer nagas after i broke 3 in 2 months

[tardy hare]

every time

a non male comes over

to my place

i neeed to explain

[junior plover]

old razer product quality kek

[tardy hare]

why my mouse has 12 buttons on the side

[junior plover]

NON MALE

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

just hide the mouse

[junior plover]

Cant wait to explain to my gf

why i bought a 2nd mouse

[tardy hare]

lmao

just remove the mouse

[tulip falcon]

or get a gamer girl gf

[tardy hare]

no

[junior plover]

No i kinda want the old one tho

[tardy hare]

gamer girl gf are yikes

[tulip falcon]

go gay

[tardy hare]

gamertime is my escape time

[junior plover]

idk

[ruby walrus]

Yeah my naga would only work on a completely white mousepad, or else it wouldnt track at all.

[junior plover]

I had like

the razer headset

kraken it was i think

it was such bad build quality

holy fuck

but now I bought their 2019 headset trusting reviews

[tulip falcon]

gaming headsets are all a yikes

[junior plover]

and it slaps

Yes

but its a wireless headset with a mic

[tulip falcon]

i think more people are swapping to studio phones / mics these days

[junior plover]

high quality

looks non gamer

so i like it

i really wanted wireless and honestly hearing the queue pop when im taking a piss

is a blessing

also talking to my bois while pooping

great bonding experience

[tulip falcon]

i spent a shitton on studio headphones for music production and i found that they worked in general for everything

so just got a usb mic and never went back to gaming headsets

[junior plover]

Yep thats fair too

[tulip falcon]

i actually went through like 5 gaming headsets in a month once

[junior plover]

im not big on music so i dont really care as long as the quality is good enough

[tulip falcon]

wireless ones

[turbid jolt]

What state you use for guardian lego, verd/haste?

[tulip falcon]

vers/mastery

haste doesnt really do anything defensive wise

[ruby walrus]

I bought the Pulse 3D headset and it barely works on PC

[turbid jolt]

Can't even remember what mastery does

[tardy hare]

i have logitech g933 7.1 surround sound headset max gamer ++ edition mark II

[tulip falcon]

health increase / healing received

[turbid jolt]

Ahh

[junior plover]

virgin headset

[tulip falcon]

fk it im gonna try pug 3s and endure aids

[tardy hare]

yes

[junior plover]

chad headset

[tulip falcon]

so i dont fit the meme stereotype

[tardy hare]

razer chad

[junior plover]

just hide the razer logo

[tardy hare]

too late

[tardy hare]

no

razer logo must be shown

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

i still have time to push

not too late

[tardy hare]

we know what you are

[junior plover]

Its not even an RGB logo

[pallid vessel]

imagine not having a gamer girl gf unironically

[junior plover]

why live tbh

its just a print no LEDs

no nothing

[tardy hare]

the moment my girl touches wow

i'm leaving

[tulip falcon]

imagine having girlfriends unironically

[junior plover]

truth

[pallid vessel]

no gamer girl gf = no gamer girl feet = no reason to live

[junior plover]

hmm

[clear pulsar]

Machtig wouldnt want anyone he knows irl reading the shit he posts in discord/bnet

[tardy hare]

yes

that is true

instant cancel

[junior plover]

if a girl really likes cats does that qualify as a catgirl

yes or no

[tulip falcon]

tell her you play feral in wow and she will date you

[junior plover]

see i have that one in the bag

i should show her my feral

[tardy hare]

feral in the game, feral in real life

[tulip falcon]

hey babe you really like cats right

well look at this

[junior plover]

she'll be disgusted that im playing some sweaty mmo

[junior plover]

kekw'

[tulip falcon]

that reminded me

of some cringey thing i saw ages ago

[junior plover]

POG shirt

I need that on my wall

[tardy hare]

thats me in the pic

[junior plover]

worst gaming purchase of my life was definitely a vr headset tho

[tulip falcon]

nice flower tats

[junior plover]

and it was really cool to experience

[tardy hare]

idk

i really love

beat saber

[turbid jolt]

Krassz do you use the hp trinket or the main stat?

[pallid vessel]

those things arent for games bro

[junior plover]

I do love me some beat saber

but the price

is not justified

[tulip falcon]

as guardian or feral

[tardy hare]

true

[turbid jolt]

Guardian

[junior plover]

also if i wanted to play beat saber

[tulip falcon]

hp

[tardy hare]

beat saber fucking amazing

[junior plover]

i'd get a wireless one

😠

[tardy hare]

360 maps

[junior plover]

and i didnt

[tardy hare]

pog

[junior plover]

i hate the wire

[turbid jolt]

Damn another thing I need to upgrade

[tardy hare]

1v1 me

[tulip falcon]

tbh mines still 197

lol

[tardy hare]

:>

[junior plover]

no i suck

[turbid jolt]

I just upgraded the main stat for cat today

[junior plover]

i have like 15h in beat saber

[tardy hare]

o

[junior plover]

i do like it but i never play it

[scenic snow]

why is it impossible to do any real Key Bindings for enemies in the BattleGroundEnemies addon?? /target doesn't work and if you just put /cast X it says "You don't have a target." rofl

[tardy hare]

smh

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

yea my bm trinket is still 197 so its whatev

[junior plover]

I should get a daily rutine

at least get some movement

[junior plover]

so i dont die

[turbid jolt]

Oh ok

[tardy hare]

: )

[junior plover]

1h of beat saber a day

[turbid jolt]

That's what I'm using rn for resto

[junior plover]

would make me a gym chad

[tardy hare]

1h beat saber a day

keeps me hella alive

beat saber last played

6 months ago

Kappa

jk last week

[junior plover]

[tardy hare]

love meself some beat sabering

[junior plover]

Yeah i'll start tomorrow ofc i cant do it today

how would i procrastinate

if i started today

[tulip falcon]

this is my weekly workout