cuz hes pist at real gamers
#pvp
stray sigil
tardy hare
Chad
stray sigil
is that the lock dude ?
tardy hare
Old whaaz was mad toxic too
stray sigil
from back in the day
god dam
still plays
jesus
i remember him from like
wotlk
LOl
fervent gull
tardy hare
Old whaaz just said:"i hope your family dies" in stream after facing me dampening and running away from him for 15 min in 2s
clear pulsar
INSANE
tardy hare
clear pulsar
I think it's silly tho when you act like someone's putting on a face for stream based on how they acted 3 years prior Glyph
edgy shale
id take a toxic person in league so fast over or inter or just a general shitter
flame me all game idc
clear pulsar
id take a toxic person in league so fast over or inter or just a general shitter
Dota and league bring out the fucking worst in us bro
tardy hare
The toxicity with the accurate flames
blissful belfry
toxicity is honesty
thorny venture
abuse does not make me play better
chrome panther
chrome panther
Na is kiddy corner compared to eu
I don't get it
When i spam flame someone I get banned for a week
tardy hare
Lmao
chrome panther
Whazz tells people to go neck themselves to thousands of viewers
Nothing happens
Not fair lul
thorny venture
I had one rbg, guy went crazy cause I took the quickest way to BS rather than the way he expected. He was so mad he was being beaten in healing by a dps
tardy hare
Its good
thorny venture
and we had been winning until HE got tilted and mad and abusive
tardy hare
Dont wtch drainer
chrome panther
Drainer 
tardy hare
I dont want u to see me int games
Ty
I'll be harassed forever
Lmao
Faced drainer today
I just intend by W'ing at him
Imagine peeling fmage ww off my team
No?
Fmage ww aids comp for us
Hella annoying
forest kite
Hey is night fae still good for 2s, 3s, rbg
forest kite
do we have a guide for pvp for balance?
tardy hare
I hate fire mages
haughty compass
What comp you run glyph?
tardy hare
But its fine cause we just gaining rating
Easy peasy
42 wins to go
Then i can int to the sewers
Im ahead of glyph
Gg
Noob
tardy hare
Haahha
clear pulsar
Idk like I don't get toxic in wow ever
tardy hare
Clapping kids giga hard
tardy hare
Idk like I don't get toxic in wow ever
I just flame them with constructive feedback if they on my team
clear pulsar
I mean like in-game or while playing yfeel?
clear pulsar
I don't tilt or get aggro with others
tardy hare
Me in my head: this guy fucking sucks jfc
tardy hare
I dont give them real feedback
Its more of a
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DR'ING MY AHFUEJGJEKGKRIGJFJVJFJ
Odude
We had seething shore
Enemy dh fc spinning node
Me and rogue there
We just killed hpal
Dh still on clone dr for a couple sec
From the skies
The mighty heavens
Falls our disc priest
GUYS GUYS
GO CAP I MV
GO CAP I MC
I GET IT GUYS
Dh: mc'd for 1.5 seconds
Before dr falls off
Hpal comes back
I was about to scream in my mic for the first time in ages
Cause they already inted 3 games in a row
twilit lintel
Hi! What does Resto Druid play best with in 2s?
gloomy token
You gotta vent the toxicity or it'll consume you
clear pulsar
Specs with cross cc big
The busted specs also big
You kinda need support like
Mage is great
Cuz spam poly
Can let you get aggro
Hunter same same but weaker
Spr also great
The busted specs all great, ww, ret, ele, etc
surreal elbow
for 2s id say arms warrior or warkocks
twilit lintel
I have tried with affli lock, but affli locks are so bad atm
It feels like at least
surreal elbow
nah they are really good
affli is a positioning game
players like chanimal know that and hes tp'ing all over the map to find perfect positioninf
they also really good at pealing cuz of fear and shadowfury
twilit lintel
Why does Skill capped say ww monk?
surreal elbow
i wouldnt go with ww cuz they are very squishy and like most of top reatos they go for alot of re's and manabreaks
twilit lintel
thats true
surreal elbow
i do play feral affi on resto sooo i kinda need
clear pulsar
And then the busted melee
twilit lintel
but when you play with a lock, how are you supposed to use feral affinity
clear pulsar
WW ret arms
thorny venture
you can release aggression through other ways than making other people feel bad or being a jerk. I hear the gym or walking is great for that
surreal elbow
but when you play with a lock, how are you supposed to use feral affinity
go for rake stuns maim kill target when you see him going for malefic raptures etc
clone off-target off your rake stuns
twilit lintel
The lock I have played with never has enough pressure it feels like, so we always end up losing in the end, cause my hots cant heal through dampening
surreal elbow
yo where did you find that dude
twilit lintel
How can I clone off target with rake if I rake main target?
surreal elbow
ok so assuming you have some combo points already
you rake clone off target
wild charge onto kill target if you're too far and maim kill target
twilit lintel
oh
surreal elbow
voice is good here so you can communicate when the lock needs it or can follow off
surreal elbow
idk where you found your lock but too much time in the wide open and my lock usually tears them apart gives me lots of room to dump my mana and go for drinks
also drink > prowl
to drink in stealth
tiny oar
Affi locks have felt so bad for me man I just get a ww or marks hunter for 2s now max pump
surreal elbow
during the start of the arena i wait alot
ww popping sef is a que for me to rake him and go for a clone
if im prevented i peal with ursol's vortex etc
assuming lock knows where to put his gateways and demonic circles
he shouldnt die quickly
vale crystal
So you can apparently still get full moons in balance convokes in wpvp haha
surreal elbow
that desserves a monkaS
twilit lintel
My lock told me I shouldnt clone, cause the stops his damage
surreal elbow
avoid cloning his kill objective yeah but if its necessary to peal do it
its about knowing when or not you have to
tell him this isnt Huntsman mythic on castle nathria multidotting is fine but pvp isnt about padding the metres 😂
junior plover
I'm starting to get this kyrian thing
actually winning vs hpals in 2s? Wtf is this
junior plover
Feral
surreal elbow
convoke is better arguably even in tournament level of players
its ALMOST
a win condition
if the checklist is filled out
clear pulsar
convoke is better arguably even in tournament level of players
That's a load of bullshit
'EVEN IN TOURNAMENT LEVEL'
That's not a point
Tournament saw both covenants played
surreal elbow
kill target:
has no in stun knockbaks
is stunned/no interrupts/no stuns/or mobility cooldowns
is bled up
is in your line
Off-target
out of los/
no interrupt/
no available cc/
no defensive or powerful heal/
is stunned(if priest no pain sup)
clear pulsar
Convoke wins oen game where cdew throws like stupid and suddenly it's better EVEN IN TOURNAMENT LEVL
Lmao
surreal elbow
if these requirements are all met
its almost a guaranteed kill unless rng hates you
clear pulsar
If these requirements are all met
You should have a guaranteed kill
Regardless of covenant my guy
surreal elbow
what partner are you playing with
ps if awc had a 2s bracket convoke would be better
in 3s kyrian is better
no doubt
hands down better
surreal elbow
thats what im saying
clear pulsar
From 'it's better even in tournament lvl'
To 'in 3s kyrian is better'
Idk what tourneys you were talking about then my g
thorny venture
oh I hate having 23k hp
surreal elbow
2s has 2 targets to fufill a list of requirements on
stray sigil
kyrian is also better in 2s
twilit lintel
Forti, I am sorry to interrupt the conversations, but who should the warlock usually prioritize killing?
surreal elbow
way eaaier
clear pulsar
Kyrian feels very nice in 2s
stray sigil
nf in 2s is putting all ur eggs in a basket
ruby walrus
The way the pro boomies have explained it to me is its entirely dependent on who your partners are in a 3's or 2's who shines
stray sigil
and like convoke lines up with trinket everytime
ruby walrus
One is clearly better than the other in certain comps
surreal elbow
The way the pro boomies have explained it to me is its entirely dependent on who...
true
stray sigil
i dont think thats true at all lol
surreal elbow
and like convoke lines up with trinket everytime
very easy to land a trinket with go's from tigers fury assuming you have fearful symmetry
stray sigil
what does convoke does
that kyrian cant do really
u will oneshot people regardless of convoke with boomy
surreal elbow
boomy is different
the list of requirements is smaller
cuz you are ranged and dont have to worry as much bout getting ringed out of range for bites etc
ruby walrus
The threat of the convoke >>>> the convoke
thorny venture
Gonna take losing 29 skirmishes for this quest. 😄
surreal elbow
positioning
boomies like to play in the open vs melees, thats where you will have to go if you want to do damage
theres a lot of things
but long story short
stray sigil
there are pillars on every map
surreal elbow
kyrian brute forces pressure
surreal elbow
convoke plays off mistakes
surreal elbow
nah
stray sigil
? ? ?
surreal elbow
convoke is your win condition
stray sigil
its not lol
surreal elbow
what cr are you?
stray sigil
2700 lol
surreal elbow
link rn
tiny oar
Lol
tiny oar
Why would u not take his word 4 it
clear pulsar
Thinking symmetry makes any real difference
Or that convoke is this win condition
Convoke wins some games you should have lost
That's all
stray sigil
surreal elbow
symmetry lets me tf bite shred bite shred bite during berserk
ruby walrus
So your saying that convoke cant be a win condition??? what??
signal cape
He said it's not the only win condition
ruby walrus
Thats just a dumb take
stray sigil
u said
convoke is ur win condition
i said if convoke is ur only win condition
u will never get anywhere
clear pulsar
You listed off like 15 different conditions for Convoke to win you the game
My guy if enemy healer is in cc with no trinket or cooldowns, off dps is in cc with no trinket or cooldowns, you have burst damage and you stun kill target with no trinket, you won the game without Convoke.
ruby walrus
Im literally agreeing with you for you forti
clear pulsar
Like
It's wild bro that's exactly what you should be doing and looking for with or without Convoke
Cross cc, force enemy cds, get them in a setup to burst when they can't do anything else about it
stray sigil
ur also listing conditions as if people are playing without a monitor or keyboard
surreal elbow
example what is your first thought if the your kill target is stunned with nothing and his healer is on his way to get in line with his dps?
perfect time to convoke the bitch and kill him
ruby walrus
Sure.... and convoke ads a positioning element to that... if you can create enough space in certain matchups that you can get a convoke off then thats a win condition...
Its literally comp dependent
clear pulsar
It's just a cd
tiny oar
U guys r making my brain hurt man
surreal elbow
ill agreewith you solely on the aspect of 3s
ruby walrus
so the AMC guys who ran it are just wrong, why dont you call them up and tell them that then?
surreal elbow
the constant pressure you get with kindred spirita
stray sigil
im not saying its wrong
surreal elbow
on lets say with a jungle comp
surreal elbow
is too good
stray sigil
if not better
ruby walrus
So your saying they didnt look at both options and didnt decide what was better? bro...
surreal elbow
i just dont see the point in linking your kindred spirits to a healer in 2s
stray sigil
bro
sifox literally told me
he played nf in the tourneys
cuz he felt like it
like
kyrian will line up with their beam go
everytime
surreal elbow
yeah but the tourneys are entirely 3s and you have the factor
that kindred spirits can go on a dps
instead of your healer
as only option in 2s
ruby walrus
Yeah okay sure, I mean I guess the pros are wrong. And the research and work they did just doesnt make any sense lol
ruby walrus
they just flip a coin and decide covenants
stray sigil
why do u think all the r1s are such intellectuals
im curious
hey man boomy is better than feral
why did fox not go boomy
ruby walrus
Why do I think the top .01% of players understand the game better than anyone else? I dunno id have to think about that
stray sigil
lol
stray sigil
plenty of fucking r1s
that are clueless about the game
stop putting them on a pedestal
cloud zodiac
Feral is better some match ups and comps, you surely can't say balance is better end of discussion
ruby walrus
^ agree on that
surreal elbow
no @clear pulsar i stil hold my ground on the opinion that NF feral for 2s is better
but i also said
in 3s
theres no reason not to go kyrian
stray sigil
feral nf is complete dog in 2s
u face a pala
ur convoke button
might aswell not exist
and 90% of the ladder is hpals
also feral convoke is not a 100% guaranteed win either
ive tanked feral convokes in bear
surreal elbow
yeah if you prebear a stun its over
but assuming the stars aline
it is pretty much a kill
cloud zodiac
You have partners as well, its like you rule out healers doing some damage with CDs of their own
Or double dps
clear pulsar
The funny part is that if you ask pros or rank 1s, half the time they're less sure of what is this absolute best choice than all the viewers that ask a question and take their 1 word answer as gospel
stray sigil
i talk with fox all the time lol
even he is not sure about whats better
r1 are not the most intellectual human beings
plently of r1 have people discovering stuff for them
like the skin leggo
guaranteed u 0 rank 1 were playing that shit until some random talked about it
cloud zodiac
Yea caus its not their job to theorycraft they just play with whats found the best, doesnt mean they know best that I 10000% agree
crude minnow
One thing the R1s have in common is super high reaction speed and input speed. At the end of the day if you don't have that, knowledge can only do so much
cloud zodiac
Play predictions too
haughty compass
They just have a lot more practice, and play with the best players
Year after year
surreal elbow
i mean in tourneys some shit going on about some players potentially taking adderall aswell xd
stray sigil
^
crude minnow
I mean. I know whats happening and what I should be doing but my dumb brain freezes and I get slow af
stray sigil
its cuz u know what the other dude will do
surreal elbow
bfa s4 was shit ngl
ruby walrus
If you cant trust the R1 who like you said have teams of people running discovery for them. Then who can you trust in this game ever
edgy shale
trust urself lol
take everything anyone else says w/ a grain of salt, not fact and figure it out urself
edgy shale
take bunch of diff ppls opinion, and you'll get the answer eventually
stray sigil
theres only a handful r1s id actually trust with their theorycrafting tbh
surreal elbow
just give whazz some time with a feral and id accept his final verdict no matter what itd be
junior plover
Wait whazz rolled feral?
surreal elbow
no
junior plover
fak
junior plover
ye i get u
surreal elbow
the mans on adderall almost all the time when he's playing tho but he has it prescribed cuz of adhd
junior plover
Not gonna call that cheating for obv reasons
but I wonder if it still gives him an edge
despite adhd
surreal elbow
aka having adhd is a legal excuse in tourneys to play with a performance enhancement
junior plover
Pretty much
stray sigil
i trust the bean
surreal elbow
maybe
tiny oar
i trust the bean
me too bro
surreal elbow
no one can really tell if the adhd cancels out the entire effect of the adderall or not or if he gets an edge
junior plover
ban him from taking his meds
west verge
is convoke no longer BIS for boomy?
junior plover
never was
stray sigil
he is def a smart giggler
crude minnow
I have horrible ADHD and adderall doesn't make me godly. It makes me remotely function
surreal elbow
get prescribed adderall cuz of adhd even if you dont have adhd and use it to play like a god
crude minnow
ADHD fucks your video game skill often times
junior plover
I mean c9 did that in csgo in like 2015
they all took a bunch of adderal
and upset a tier1 tournament
as a mediocare team
was a pretty fun drama
never got punished tho
surreal elbow
HAHA RLY?
junior plover
ye
google cloud9 adderall
but if someone legit needs it
obviously different
they literally just took steroids
brain steroids
Damn it was 2015
im big brain
surreal elbow
yooooo lets all scam the system and get diagnosed with adhd even if we dont have it and use adderall to win blizzcon
i mean what?
crude minnow
Side effects of adderall are not worth abusing it. I promise. Only take it if you need it.
junior plover
Good sentiment
yep
I could definitely see people cheating with doping in wow
if they cared enough
not to mention online
surreal elbow
wait they piss test in csgo? jesus christ
edgy shale
they piss test in csgo really? I don't even think they do that in league / dota
junior plover
I think they started because of the c9 thing
other games had no such scandal
league being franchised is kinda protection against that too
there'd be insane fines
yep
and if your org knew and didnt tell anyone
they'd get fined in the hundreds of thousands
so they might test ocassionally
on their own accord
surreal elbow
i mean if its legally prescribed for every individual it should be fine
placid mirage
What if you only got the milly salary bc of adderall tho
junior plover
isn't it
junior plover
I wouldn't be surprised if they told the orgs that had 5 players with severe adhd
that they had to get a 2nd diagnosis
from a doctor selected by riot
placid mirage
"Yeah all of us"
junior plover
But to be fair this is not just esports territory
surreal elbow
bribe the doc wink wink
junior plover
there was a team in basketball paraolympics
crude minnow
adhd is different for everyone. Some peeps can function highly if medicated properly. others it just helps a bit
placid mirage
I mean honestly though it's not like severe adhd is that common if ur team is somehow 5 players with it then I would be sus too
junior plover
All they had to do was fail an IQ test
as in get under 70
i believe
and they put some stupid ass answers
got classified as mentally disabled
and won paraolympics
KEK
placid mirage
That's how I hit 1600
junior plover
surreal elbow
yeah @crude minnow but now we're assuming if a non-adhd individual gets it prescribed so they cant disqualify them in tournaments and use it as a performance enhancer
crude minnow
Just depends on the doctor. Some are really careful with it, others aren't. All you need to do is find one that is too lax
surreal elbow
+1
junior plover
I'm pretty sure major sports
already have like
licensed doctors
who figure stuff like that out
they wont take you off your meds but they will ban you from playing under their influence
thorny venture
do you guys think they should up the base level of honor gear at this point of the season?
surreal elbow
ye but your average joe wow e sports contendor dont do pissy tests
junior plover
do you guys think they should up the base level of honor gear at this point of t...
would be nice for pvp but pve would be all kind of messed up
crude minnow
197 honor gear is just below base conq gear so no
junior plover
normal raid is 200
crude minnow
Pvp gearing is already easier than pve
junior plover
I think there's a major issue with how rating is tied to gear actually
thorny venture
Like there's no reason honor gear couldn't start at 184
junior plover
and I say that as a proud 226 ilvl cat
surreal elbow
i dont the current system is sick
junior plover
i dont the current system is sick
It is until you roll an alt
and people in the 1200 bracket
have 40k life
thorny venture
I personally support scaling coming back
junior plover
I like the system but it ain't perfect
surreal elbow
i mean we grew in rating with peoples ilvl if you started playing from start of season this wasnt a problem
surreal elbow
but yeah alts might suffer
crude minnow
RBG gearing is prob a tad off though lol. I don't think its fair that I have 2100 gear with my skill level
junior plover
but alts are unplayable in arena
surreal elbow
im a one trick though kek
junior plover
like youre pretty much forced to do RBG unless you are glad and have someone carry you through
surreal elbow
i wont switch class probably through sl
junior plover
Ye I'm gonna main kitty for sure but I have friends that play specs that kitty doesn't play with 
also buff kitty
thanks
thorny venture
I'm fine with the conquest gearing system and how rating plays into it
clear pulsar
For what it's worth to all my homies talking about all these pros and the insane success of Convoke, the only boomie that's been on Convoke camp is Chanimal.
Prev played NF week 1 then swapped to Kyrian week 2, Dipi only played Kyrian, Blackfire and Maro also Kyrian. The total maps played is 12 kyrian vs 8 night fae.
junior plover
8 maps of nf is still a lot tbh
thorny venture
I just think the gap between fresh chars and even 200 ilvl is just so big and no one should be forced to grind weeks of bgs just to barely be able to survive
junior plover
Agreed
I played like 50 bgs on my alt
BG bonus week btw
and i'm 155
There has to be some way for new characters to get endgame pvp gear
before jumping into rated
where people already have it
otherwise you're always destined to fail
clear pulsar
Lmao
thorny venture
didn't matter in legion and bfa cause of templates or scaling
clear pulsar
Yall are wild
junior plover
RBG is probably the answer but that's not a real game mode lets be real
crude minnow
Just buy the 168 ilvl boe gear for a fresh alt
junior plover
168?
clear pulsar
Play an mmo rpg "no one should be forced to go thru the gearing process of the genre of game that's entirely based on character power progression."
junior plover
Play an mmo rpg "no one should be forced to go thru the gearing process of the g...
Didnt say that
thorny venture
168 is 23k hp
junior plover
The issue is
thorny venture
Good luck when everyone has 35-40k hp
crude minnow
Okay but your alt would have better gear than 155 after 50 bgs lol
junior plover
Ah oki
The issue is that
in pve you get to lineary progress
across dificulties
in pvp
youre 160 ilvl vs a 220 ilvl pve frog hardstuck at 1200
clear pulsar
crude minnow
and 10x your reaction time 😉
junior plover
And that's like the first rated arena game you play on your character
the equivalent of a mythic 0 dungeon
junior plover
Get 8 conquest per bg?
clear pulsar
What the fuck do you think should change mate?
clear pulsar
Ofc you can play rated
junior plover
seriously
edgy shale
when i have no gear i just Q with the expectation im prob gonna lose, but i just play anyway and win like 1/3 until im geared lol
junior plover
Ofc you can play rated and lose 80% more games than someone of your skill should
because theres no other way to gear
but to give free rating to geared players
clear pulsar
You get the same conquest regardless of your rating
clear pulsar
Yeah boo fucking hoo you're not gonna be competing at same cr as your main if you're playing an undergeared alt.
junior plover
Yeah boo fucking hoo you're not gonna be competing at same cr as your main if yo...
THEN GIVE ME A WAY TO GEAR
clear pulsar
I JUST CANT
tiny oar
im winning games at 1k cr on my 150 rdruid idk man 
edgy shale
u love us facerson
edgy shale
rbgs
clear pulsar
I just see whine
edgy shale
u can do stuff in RBGs that doesn't take gear
like setting up cc/ stuns capping bases
picking up flag
idk
junior plover
Imagine if you were a challenger league of legends player rolling a new acc and you had 80% less stats than your opponents until you lost 200 games so that you can compete
its just not fun for anyone involved
edgy shale
u know league used to be like that with old runes right lol
crude minnow
RBG mmr is jank, but idk I thoroughly enjoy it more than arena. My shithole brain doesn't fuck me as hard
edgy shale
runes were like 50% of ur power level at lvl 1
clear pulsar
League is not an mmorpg
edgy shale
u think u can trade w/ sum1 who has runes if u dont
junior plover
Definitely not
junior plover
Lol
Bro
Why are you so against the game being alt friendly
like there's no inbetween
between
edgy shale
also u dont get flash for a bit too
junior plover
gear mattering
edgy shale
not having flash is like... such a meme
junior plover
also u dont get flash for a bit too
We're talking about ranked
specifically
by the time you got to 30 when runes mattered
you'd have a full page
if you wanted to
junior plover
Fair enough
crude minnow
The scaling from fresh to max gear is too much. It has been for many expansions
edgy shale
I'd be fine with the game being more alt friendly i guess, but I also don't tihnk its so bad at the moment and u can't really expect alt friendly at the vey start of an xpac as well
junior plover
I really like the gear aspect of wow pvp, I'm one of the mmo frogs as well
but it's REALLY not good for alts right now
the numbers need to be changed in some way
edgy shale
xpacs seem to get more alt friendly as they pro gress
edgy shale
ur wrong glyph. I can't hit 1400 becuz I only have 29% vers instead of 30%
junior plover
saying they cant get 1800
because theyre 210 and every game they get a glad booster
who's 250 ilvl
can fuck off
but we can still have a convo about how it's impossible to play a new character for like 30+ hours of grinding bgs
without fucking your mmr massively
How come
wtf is this game
clear pulsar
No glyph you dont get it
vast vapor
yeah you just get the mmr back so fast
edgy shale
ye, this game is pretty good about not putting u in the mmr shitter
junior plover
I'm just pre-crying
clear pulsar
edgy shale
my rbg mmr was HORRIBLE then i won 4 in a row w/ a good group now its good
clear pulsar
Fucking
edgy shale
that fast
junior plover
because im so done playing bgs on it
junior plover
hushed pivot
then thats your problem kiosk, not the games
clear pulsar
CRYING CLOWN
hushed pivot
i geared 5 alts to 200-210 pretty easily with a mix of bgs and rbgs
edgy shale
5 alts..jesus u psycho
clear pulsar
edgy shale
plz don't tell me they're all druid
clear pulsar
@hushed pivot cheers to you bud
crude minnow
Gearing my fresh warrior def sucked. Bgs weren't fun until like 190 ilvl lol
junior plover
I mean if you say its fine that you have to spend like 25h
sure thing
I think its too much
thats my take
hushed pivot
not a great pvper, nor pver so the only content i can do is lvling 🤷♂️
hushed pivot
druid pal sham warrior priest
clear pulsar
Idk I really dont do jackshit on my alts
clear pulsar
And my horde druid is 195 just from campaign and weekly bg quests
hushed pivot
lvling and gearing is the easy part. its the maw and torghast thats awful
edgy shale
i acutally really want a shaman n priest tho
clear pulsar
Would be 200 if I did vault the last 2 weeks
i.e. if I had any piece from vendor
Sitting at like 800 conq or something
hushed pivot
and this was before they changed so alts didnt have to torghast from layer 1
junior plover
I'm not too mad now that I know i wont perma fuck my mmr by losing a shit tone of games when I start rolling the monk boi
Because i can just grind away at the content i actually wanna do
and get conquest
So whatev
clear pulsar
junior plover
I still think its weird that a system based on rating can put a glad geared player and a fresh alt in the same arena
also just imagine being a new player wanting to get into pvp like week 10
oh boi
But its not all too bad since the mmr is so weird
edgy shale
yeah, smurfs are in every game. and these "smurfs" are shitty at the actual game so u have some chance to outplay maybe
misty island
Is there a good pvp resource for resto? looking for simple builds for low 2s
edgy shale
yeah
misty island
probably just yolo but y'know
edgy shale
lakearz
edgy shale
ive seen yolos that literally have autoinvite on lol
junior plover
huh
edgy shale
yeah
junior plover
ebon lynx
Just got roasted by 3 18k+ starsurges through 29% vers, mine hit him for 12k through his 8% vers. He has 30% mastery to my 14. I'm questioning if it's worth running vers gear.
ebon vortex
if you didnt have vers he would have done like 6k more damage
forest kite
I'm hitting 26k surge in vers gear so...
ebon lynx
He was not running medallion, did have the ???? trinket but it wasn't popped
ebon lynx
26k star surges in PVP against players?
edgy shale
against real players.
forest kite
Yeah 227 ilvl / convoke
chrome panther
i hit a 40k full moon the day before it got removed from our pool
skyfury/dark arc is fun
edgy shale
im still out here hitting big FMs
ebon lynx
external buffs aside
clear pulsar
ebon lynx
why are mine so shit?
forest kite
And you can hit 20k+ surge as kyrian
junior plover
I got 4x starsurged in the first 6 spells of a convoke today
all crits
fun times
forest kite
With sky fury
ebon vortex
boat and incarn are like 50% more crit
crude minnow
Starsurge crits from convoke while dreambinder buff is up fucks
junior plover
fair enough
forest kite
18k surge = convoke or crit with skyfury anyway
crude minnow
boat is 80% crit with CA/incarn
grand mesa
Are you actually sure it’s 80%
ebon vortex
if you wanna cheese it that ahrd
grand mesa
With boat
forest kite
Close to 18k with 20% from Dreamweaver + badge + mastery from pelagos or niya
ebon lynx
the mastery from nia requires convoke to be active correct? this case he did not convoke, these were raw starsurges after he popped incarn
edgy shale
no
ebon lynx
217 ilvl
chrome panther
its like a 20 second buff
ebon lynx
both of us were
clear pulsar
30s buff
ebon vortex
its for 20s after convoke and it can gain stacks without using it*
edgy shale
u can literally press the button and instacancel it
forest kite
If insta kicked he still have the 30s buff
edgy shale
u still get a 20 seconds buff
ebon lynx
are most of you running vers/mast over vers/haste?
edgy shale
ive done that befoer when i want more burst for a kill, just yolo convoke, get instakicked, who cares i needed the mastery
forest kite
Full vers haste
edgy shale
and it gives liek 5k hp
ebon lynx
i feel like i need less haste and more mastery to buff that arcane damage... its all about ss obviously
crude minnow
When they interrupt convoke and think your burst is over but you run dreambinder
ebon lynx
your big dam is 3 starsurges, it makes sense to make these as fat as possible right?
grand mesa
Saw a clip on Reddit of a Druid popping convoke for mastery buff right when gates opened, then incarned out of stealth for a starsurge with a rogue hitting shadow strike haha
forest kite
Haste affect also gcd so you hit surge quicker
You build ap quicker
You cline quicker
Clone*
edgy shale
enter eclipse more easily
ebon lynx
ehh but your kill window is less serious, by apparently quite a long shot. we are same item level but different secondary stats and he's hitting at 175% of mine
forest kite
Haste is king in pvp since yeah forever.
ebon lynx
how is mastery not the play here
forest kite
It's not mastery
edgy shale
i think I've seen ppl say haste is > mast mostly. I prefer to run as much mast as i can for rbgss cuz i bring da burst dam
forest kite
You ré doing something wrong
ebon lynx
i pop incarn with badge buff and crit for like 12k
forest kite
Who care of incarn
ebon lynx
forest kite
You need the niya/pelagos buff also
ebon lynx
open to any ideas on what im fucking up
forest kite
It's when you get these huge number
crude minnow
Try out dreambinder and see if you like it
forest kite
It's not even dreambinder
You just talk about surge without niya or pelagos mastery buff
So 12k is fine
ebon lynx
what im troubleshooting here is why this dude is hitting me with that gear, for that amount
clear pulsar
Bro gear is not the issue
Stop looking at gear
Pvp is a team game
There are a number of things teammates can do
ebon lynx
this is a question about a specific 1v1
clear pulsar
To buff one another's damage
ebon lynx
your point is unrelated
he had no buffs, i spoke to the man and he says its mastery stacking
crude minnow
starsurge damage can vary so heavily depending on so many things. A dreambinder, convoke, CA, dark archangel, skyfury totem crit is like 30+k
forest kite
I answered 3 time dude
clear pulsar
Like we literally can't tell you what the circumstances were becuase we weren't there, and you are basing your entire conclusion on armory look up which is just the set homeboy logged off on.
ebon lynx
yes i realize that but in a 1v1 the druid is not popping dark arc
forest kite
Why u keep asking xD
clear pulsar
Also look at the trinkets
ebon lynx
just go with the idea that it's a 1v1
hushed pivot
was he kyrian or night fae?
clear pulsar
Empyreal ordnance + cube yeah!?
ebon lynx
there was no ???? trinket use
clear pulsar
forest kite
18k surge with mastery buff from niya or pelagos is normal
tulip falcon
clear pulsar
Double on use, one gives 200 int, the other gives 700 mastery.
vast vapor
even more normal from convoke
forest kite
We also don't know about skyfury totem
ebon lynx
he was fae... he came out of bear, popped incarn, and removed me with 3 18k+ crit starsurges through my 29% vers. I popped my incarn and hit him for 3x 12k through 8% vers. we were both in caster form. im trying to understand why that happened
forest kite
Versa / haste is king, without any doubt
clear pulsar
Pre ordnance and/or convoke for niya buff, open with incarn cube surge
It's similar to what happened with the Azshara trinkets
Ordnance can be cheesed to get double on use at the same time
ebon lynx
^ i was not aware that was being done... so i think thats what happened here. the dude says he stacked mastery specifically for fat surges, i was just confused as to why vers wasn't more effective against it
clear pulsar
forest kite
God
ebon lynx
is it not damage reduction?
vast vapor
vers defensively is half of the value
forest kite
You can hit 18k+ surge with 0 mastery on gear for sake
clear pulsar
At 30% vs 10% vers you're comparing a 15% to a 5% dr
It's not this savior of life and death
vast vapor
that guy just has 700 masterytrinket, popped convoke from stealth and thats it
ebon lynx
wow those values are significantly less than is worth the amount of importance seemingly on having a shit ton of vers
the way its talked about it is that you will be deleted without it
clear pulsar
ebon lynx
and it seems the case when i go against people without vers
clear pulsar
People like to hold on to these ideas that are beside gameplay
As if they mattered more than playing good
grand mesa
People tunnel on stuff like stats and secondaries alot
ebon lynx
in this case the dude had less than 10% vers, so I figured with almost 20% more surely that would count for more in the damage reduction calculation
forest kite
You're boring
vast vapor
its half of that for damage reduction, its useful but doesnt save you
clear pulsar
Take it from here glyph
ebon lynx
so imagine my surprise to see him starsurging for 175% of my value without popping anything other than incarn
im not here to entertain you, that's your mothers job
forest kite
Dude stop shit talk
crude minnow
Are you not taking the 1.75x starsurge pvp talent?????
ebon lynx
shit talk? im asking questions because i dont know every nuance of this game
haughty compass
Real druids play necro circle stellar flare
ebon lynx
i hope you aren't representative of the type of people who post here
vast vapor
he was using IQD and convoked most likely
ebon lynx
ok yea i figured with that sort of behavior other people would find him just as repulsive
crude minnow
People here are rude poop in the pants peeps. Its mostly representative
stray sigil
ya man fuck face
clear pulsar
Idk what you talking about @stray sigil
clear pulsar
Real druids play kyrian BT curio
I speak facts @stray sigil
edgy shale
bro stop being tsun towards ur bff
thorny venture
wrong channel
grand mesa
Haha
clear pulsar
I needed to see the light
ebon lynx
is the chat usually off topic in here and in no way related to druid pvp?
clear pulsar
TO believe
clear pulsar
We generally prefer talking about tangentially related topics than dwelling on the merits of 200 more or 200 less vers vs mastery vs haste
stray sigil
its where the squad assembles
crude minnow
If this isnt what you expect from a wow class pvp discord channel then idk what to tell you.
clear pulsar
Or any channel for that matter
ebon lynx
where might one go to dwell on the merits of secondary stats in pvp and how it effects your character?
forest kite
@ebon lynx we answer , but you don't listen.
clear pulsar
Probably trade chat
Pvp is about getting good
Not about what ring enchants you need
crude minnow
True. I'm 225 ilvl and fucking suck
ebon lynx
i think your entire secondary stat focus is pretty important when you are basing a strategy around a burst window. we're talking the difference of 20% plus or minus a secondary stat, not a ring enchant.
forest kite
Told you 10 times , if he hit 18k surge , it's not about Gear/stats or shit , it's about pumping surge with the right CDS at the right moment , so you got deleted with 18k surge .
ebon lynx
you are misunderstanding the scale
vast vapor
thanks for your input now go play venthyr or necro boomkin
forest kite
where , you where pumping surge+incarn without anything else , it's simple
clear pulsar
i think your entire secondary stat focus is pretty important when you are basing...
500 less of a stat is 500 more of another stat. Every stat gives you some damage.
Just do damage.
edgy shale
literally in the pve channel where 2ndary stats matter more cuz every .01% matters every single person will just say "sim it" and not even give u a real answer
ebon lynx
as equally useless of an answer, true
clear pulsar
edgy shale
not many ppl arae gona sit there and chat about secondary stats when its a common as shit question thats a kinda dumb question in the first place
clear pulsar
It's the best answer anyone can give you for pve mate
forest kite
also you can't trade haste for mastery anyway , and vers is king , simple to understand , you get +40% value from trinket
ebon lynx
id say my experience today proves that verse is not actually king
clear pulsar
But finally we find a conclusion
crude minnow
Then go gear no verse. Have fun
clear pulsar
My guy's one of those that thinks someone giving them a pawn string is more useful than simming his own character
forest kite
you experience today = you were playing like sh*t
crude minnow
Go do the math by yourself.
forest kite
why popping incarn+badge only ?
hushed pivot
29% vers is actually 40% increase damage with trinks
ebon lynx
nahh im not really the type. im trying to analyze and understand what happened to improve my character not bitching on a forum.
hushed pivot
pvp trinks
ebon lynx
but apparently this chat is day care
forest kite
TOLD YOU 10 TIMES , 18K surge came from OR kyrian CD/Pelagos mastery OR insta kicked/canceled Convoke with NIYA BUFF
ebon lynx
yea i already addressed that and mentioned exactly what buffs are in play
but we appreciate the spam
crude minnow
Yes, you being told to fuck off for monopolizing the chat topic because you don't like the answers given is day care.
forest kite
then you're fucking blind
clear pulsar
id say my experience today proves that verse is not actually king
If homeboy was using the gear from armory, that is very simply the 2 trinkets stacked at the same time, the rest of his secondaries is pretty inconsequential. Ordnance + cube + grove invigoration are easily 60%+ damage buff.
teal hinge
12k is patty cake surges
forest kite
and try to pop 18k surge without any CD , GL mate xD
tiny oar
clear pulsar
Then just dont play solo q
tiny oar
yea nice L dude