pvp

[tulip falcon]

i use watermelon mog

as my legit mog

[vapid crane]

I like it

[tulip falcon]

it only works on tauren so i have to use it before i inevitably change

[edgy shale]

change to wat?

do u mean NE?

[clear pulsar]

Zandalari ofc

Bis af

[edgy shale]

[pallid coral]

that mog looks better on female nelf

[tulip falcon]

actually yea thinking about it

[pallid coral]

its giga pog on nelf

but like almost all mogs look better on nelf

[tulip falcon]

i used it on worgen but people called me thyraz wannabe

[pallid coral]

rofl

everything looks bad on worgen

its the inverse of nelf

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar u say that but u stayed zanda a solid 2 days

[tulip falcon]

ye i struggled to find anything

actually that one legion elite set looked ok

the animated one

[pallid coral]

uh

i know the one you're talking about yeah

the tier 6 remake set

same as tomb of sargeras gear

honestly it's sad that blizzard don't do unique elite sets anymore

primal was the last unique one

actually that's not true i guess

it was the last unique class specific set

[tulip falcon]

ye

[pallid coral]

bfa season 1 had a unique set too

[tulip falcon]

its the only unique one period isnt it?

[pallid coral]

but it was shared for all leather

actually no

[tulip falcon]

primal

[pallid coral]

it wasn't unique even

it shared with warfront

yeah primal is the only unique one

[tulip falcon]

and primal it was only helm/shoulders that were unique

i think

[pallid coral]

yeah

well for druid at least

[tulip falcon]

ye

[pallid coral]

i think other classes might have more unique pieces

oh belt is unique too

[tulip falcon]

oh yea

[timid grail]

draught of deep focus vs. oath of the elder druid for resto (feral aff.) in 2v2/3v3?

[tulip falcon]

my og elite

i actually never see this

[pallid coral]

i am not surprised

because even if other people have it

[tulip falcon]

they dont play

lol

[pallid coral]

its spectacularly ugly

[tulip falcon]

that too

[pallid coral]

think my first elite on this account was prideful

[tulip falcon]

wasnt that when they ruined elite sets

and it was like

28k conq or something

[pallid coral]

uh it was still 2k i think for prideful

I think that was a mid mop change

and they went back on it no?

[tulip falcon]

ah maybe

i think it was s14 actually

[pallid coral]

yeah sounds about right

grievous

https://twitter.com/feraldruid_/status/1354226944515125255 lucy tweet lmao

ilovelucy_ (@feraldruid_)

I decided to give up queing ladder after my whole team got oneshot in 0.1sec from boomkin convoke

Twitter · Jan 27, 2021, 12:37 AM

he is off his chair

[balmy tapir]

Anyone who knows some thicc feral boi streamers?

[pallid coral]

syfoxe

[clear pulsar]

[quaint rapids]

need advice

what should i replace with 213 pvp gear

leaning towards shoulders

[eager inlet]

hello all what is the better feral lego for pvp

im assuming its apex

[stray sigil]

its sym

[forest kite]

I prefer to replace my lowest ilvl piece.

[quaint rapids]

sym 100%

[quaint rapids]

yeah but 3 ilvl vs mainstat

[tulip falcon]

i use apex cos im a rebel

but get symm

[forest kite]

i mean the belt youre getting 13 ilvls from replacing.

[quaint rapids]

yeah, bit less stats

i think

and belts drop from early raid bosses

[forest kite]

are you a pvper?

or a pveer?

[quaint rapids]

yes

[vapid crane]

They were unique in cata unless I have misunderstood what you meant

[tulip falcon]

they weren't they were just recolours

we were talking about actual unique models

[forest kite]

are you completely capped on conquest?

[quaint rapids]

no, ill have 875

at/by the end of the week

[stray sigil]

wasnt cata unique models

[vapid crane]

Ah gotcha

Nah I think he's correct

Cataclysmic gladiator stuff all recolours

[tulip falcon]

nah it was just a red version

[vapid crane]

Wish I had the warrior and pally one

But I was hard stuck like 1400

[forest kite]

probs shoulders like you said then, or cape+waist if that is swingable

[tulip falcon]

i started pvping in cata so missed out on them

but druid ones were bad anyway

[vapid crane]

Has anyone played much boomie in twos with a healer?

This season

At like 2k+

[junior plover]

No but boomie healer is probably the easiest comp to play into in my experience

As feral disc

[vapid crane]

It feels great as double dps

[junior plover]

Despite usually struggling vs caster heal

[vapid crane]

Another boomkin or a rogue

[junior plover]

Boomie in general feels like hot garbage every time I see them in 2s

[crisp anchor]

How the fuck is this okay?

[junior plover]

I'm only spooked they'll Convoke on me if I blink

[vapid crane]

We virtually have never done that in our like 150 games

[crisp anchor]

Its fucking insane that they nerf mage damage but dont think to touch any other classes that have MORE burst lmfao

[junior plover]

Nearly every class can do this

Given a 4/100 crit luck

Like this pala did

[vapid crane]

The easiest comp for you to beat?

[junior plover]

Yeah Boomie + Heal is consistently easy to beat

[vapid crane]

I can't imagine how they play the game

[crisp anchor]

have you tried not taking 50k dmg in 4 sec most of which is 15k 1 hits lmao?

[junior plover]

They have 0 pressure and weak cc setups

You literally only have to make sure you're near a wall when Convoke is off cd

[vapid crane]

Yeah

[crisp anchor]

top post on the sub is a dumbass ret who got glad first season after being hard stuck 1600 all bfa lmao

its a free fucking ride. What a fucking joke of balance.

[junior plover]

The best boomie comp in 2s is easily boomie spriest imo

That one actually slaps

With double silence

It's pretty wild

[vapid crane]

Hey man less baby rage please

[edgy shale]

i mean im pretty sure paladin is like 25% of 2400+ so he has a right to be annoyed

[junior plover]

Bro I've never played a single game of rated pvp before SL and I'm 2100 as feral

Damn feral broken?

It's perfectly reasonable to think someone might've not cared about pvp too much in bfa

And actually put in the time to learn now

[edgy shale]

that much burst over 4 seconds isn't exactly a nutty screenshot showing how dumb ret is tho

[junior plover]

Yeah ret is dumb because of multistrike and offhealing

This recap looks like Feral with symmetry if you roll the 4% chance to crit twice like this guy did

[haughty compass]

Oh god multistrike

Is this wod?

[edgy shale]

i mean if anything the feral recap can be more dumb lol

but ret paly recaps can too

[haughty compass]

Treant instant root

Is what I miss

[junior plover]

Also that top post on reddit?

He's playing Ret Survival

So get the fuck out with the op spec complaints

Guy is playing an actual offmeta comp

[vapid crane]

Paladin is back to its cata status

[edgy shale]

now this is fast burst

[junior plover]

[crisp anchor]

meanwhile ret and feral convoke didnt get nerfed lmao

in fact feral convoke got buffed

[vapid crane]

Lmao right!!!!

[junior plover]

Man all these ferals terrorizing the ladder

[crisp anchor]

I see so many ferals cheesing their way up the ranks with so little skill

its sad.

[safe wind]

Multiple specs in the game right now are doing too much burst assuming current stat layouts are the way it stays

[edgy shale]

wtf lol

[junior plover]

How will people climb out of 1600 cr

With all the 3s convokes

[edgy shale]

facts. out of all the broken melee in the game right now, i think of feral

0 skill spec zz

[safe wind]

Idk whether nerfing now and buffing later is the play, or altering how stats work, or what, but game balance changes as xpacs go on even without blizzard tweaking anything

[junior plover]

If anything playing Convoke in 3s is harder than playing Kyrian lol

The lengths you have to go to

To actually get a Convoke off

Are absurd

[vapid crane]

Ferals scare me man

Playing melee convoke in 3s sounds like a rough time though

[junior plover]

It is

[vapid crane]

You only ever get to cast that if you stun a healer without trinket out of Los round a pillar right

Is there any other use case

[junior plover]

technically 400 mastery is close to the Kyrian damage buff

[junior plover]

Feral is only played in fmp and jungle

So you can find goes with all players in cc

But it's much easier to just have Kyrian and be able to kill through a trinket

Or with 2cc

[surreal loom]

I've heard kitty cleave is doing okay too

FMP/Jungle/Kitty/FLPal all okay

[vapid crane]

The fuck is that

[surreal loom]

feral/arms/hpal

[junior plover]

Sounds like the weakest possible arms cleave tbh

Ferals in cleave have a really hard time with pressuring because they take so much damage in cat

[vapid crane]

I feel afraid of ferals when they're on me

[junior plover]

But any melee cleave will do fine right now

[vapid crane]

Then I remember monks exist

And I'm like eh

Could be worse

[junior plover]

I'm definitely most scared of a feral mirror sitting on me

Bonus points if he has the mage tower skin

[vapid crane]

I do

[junior plover]

Bonus points if he's kyrian

[vapid crane]

Incoming

[junior plover]

And drops me to 10% with 1 bite

Man Feral is broken

[vapid crane]

Feral disc sounds kinda strong in twos tho

[junior plover]

Ye it's good

Hpal walls you hard tho

And HPal is like 70% of ladder

[vapid crane]

Howcome?

[junior plover]

Too many immunities

Too few goes

[vapid crane]

Moonkin convoke the bop kappa

[junior plover]

Definitely beatable but you need to play so much better than your opponent

It's dumb

[surreal loom]

feral 2's is hell against the meta atm

[junior plover]

Oh i thought u meant double feral

[vapid crane]

I want to try it out but think I'll drop down to 1200mmr

[junior plover]

The only matchup that I really didn't figure out in 2s yet

Is affliction

[surreal loom]

WW's basically get to free smash cus you can't manfight them during their cooldowns. plus parry, plus good defensives

[junior plover]

I swear I've lost every game vs Affliction for 2 weeks now

[surreal loom]

and priests aren't playing leap of faith legendary yet

cus not large brain enough

[vapid crane]

Affli healer?

[junior plover]

Ye

Or affli spriest even

[surreal loom]

sit on the aff until he ded

[junior plover]

But healer is the worst one

Yeah but

He just don't dead

[vapid crane]

I honestly don't knowb

[surreal loom]

he do ded if your healer cc chains well and you get a good bash in it

resolve long af cooldown

[vapid crane]

They kinda tanky tho

[junior plover]

I think with kyrian

[vapid crane]

And they rail dam

[junior plover]

I'd have a much better time

But it's hard to find resolve and trinket to be both on cd

[surreal loom]

IDK I'm fae, I haven't had issues with aff/heals

[junior plover]

From affl

Huh

Gives me hope tbb

Tbh

Glad it's me and not the matchup

[surreal loom]

you just need priest to be on same page and line of sight their cooldowns and chill

cus if you get resolve on a go you basically just play for the next go chance

he aint dying through it

[junior plover]

Yeah

[surreal loom]

60% dr plus drain and whatnot

and leech

[junior plover]

My problem is that I couldn't force resolve without convoke

Probably wasn't trying hard enough tbh

[vapid crane]

Just crit

[junior plover]

Was too focused on finding a convoke window

[junior plover]

[vapid crane]

[surreal loom]

It's honestly just get good crits and your priest has to be good; feral/priest relies a lot on the priest getting good cc chains then you bashing it

[junior plover]

Yep I think part of the problem is that

My priest is perma slowed

So it's probably my positioning

That's fucking us up

[surreal loom]

like between scream/door/MC/chastise (if holy) or bash

youll force something

[junior plover]

Because he can never get a good fear off

Because of the affl legendary

[surreal loom]

now try playing against HPal/BM Hunter

[junior plover]

BM kek

Haven't seen a single one in 900 games of 2s

[surreal loom]

very fun, sit on your hands and hope your priest gets a fear on pets+pal

[haughty compass]

900 omg lol

[surreal loom]

otherwise you afk

[junior plover]

Ye I like 2s u know

[surreal loom]

cus you can't convoke lol

[junior plover]

[haughty compass]

I’m 1900 moonkin with 60

[junior plover]

Yeah i can imagine convoke is hell vs bm

Maybe mass root tho

[junior plover]

900 is a lot but given that we both never played a single game of rated before this season and climbed to 2.1k from an early 1400 hardstuck

I'm honestly really happy

Gonna ride this train all the way to 2.4k whether it takes 900 more or 9000 more

[haughty compass]

More power to you

I fucking hate 2s lol

[vapid crane]

2s is just about your partner

I've always found it a wonky game mode but really enjoyed playing this season with my mate

[vapid crane]

Idk how the fuck you deal with this

[edgy shale]

shift

[vapid crane]

As a priest

[edgy shale]

i know im joking lol

[vapid crane]

😩

[safe wind]

The smaller the team, the better the gamemode imo

[edgy shale]

duels are pog then

[safe wind]

Duels are Pog

[vapid crane]

I think it's generally accepted 2s balance is wonky adam

[limpid fossil]

Im trying to think what lego i should make for my moonkin

[vapid crane]

That's why people tend to look down on it

[limpid fossil]

i've been using Pulsar but think i could do better

[vapid crane]

For PvP id suggest boat or dreambinder depending on your preference/cov

[junior plover]

2s balance is but I enjoy having more control over the game

[edgy shale]

pulsar is awful

[junior plover]

My healer does his thing

[limpid fossil]

I got nightfae Swift

[junior plover]

I do my thing

[safe wind]

I think it's generally accepted 2sWoW balance is wonky

[junior plover]

We do things together

[safe wind]

FTFY

[junior plover]

It's all quite nice

3s are super fucking random with how fast the game is going right now and it's been super hard for me to grasp the ever changing gamestate

My monkey brain has enough space for 2 enemies and a partner but not 3 enemies and 2 partners

[vapid crane]

It is a rough transition

Going from only playing twos

To threes

When I first did it all of my CC was like

[junior plover]

Yeah I'm sure I just need like 500 games in 3s and I'll be slapping glads like i do in 2s

[vapid crane]

Cast and then cast on focus

I didn't have 1/2/3 macros

Was kind of scuffed

[junior plover]

Ehh I really don't have enough buttons on druid for that either

[vapid crane]

It's really awkward mate

[junior plover]

I could make space for 1/2/3 target macros at least

I guess

[vapid crane]

I still have some hangovers

I have kick and focus kick

[junior plover]

And for focus clone

[vapid crane]

But I sort of need kick 1/2/3 bound

[junior plover]

[vapid crane]

For convoke from stealth

[junior plover]

Just put druid on focus

[vapid crane]

I find myself pressing control 1/2/3 to focus them and then kick

[junior plover]

Ah

I see what you mean

[vapid crane]

It's not as necessary for feral but feels kind of important for a boomie

[lofty lodge]

Can anyone tell me if the Well-Honed instincts conduit works for non bear? So if Im resto in pvp it will cast frenzied regen on me out of form????

[vapid crane]

Apart from that I only have clone 1/2/3

[junior plover]

It does

It is insanely powerful

[vapid crane]

The rest of the stuff is target/focus

[junior plover]

If it didn't all druid specs would literally be F tier

Yeah as feral im assuming i only need

[lofty lodge]

ty

[junior plover]

Target macros + focus clone maybe

[vapid crane]

I'd recommend clone 1/2/3

Don't have to shift your focus

[lofty lodge]

Im tempted to run double endurance perks on dreamweaver then...

[junior plover]

Fair enough but I feel like getting used to mwheel targetting

Might be worth while

[junior plover]

It is indeed very good

I even run triple endurance vs rogue mage

They mad if I get bear on their go

[vapid crane]

It's fine but sometimes I have a warrior target and he'll try to spell reflect the clone I'm casting on his dk

Which is nice to see

[junior plover]

Ahhh

Yeah that does sound good

[lofty lodge]

Would you run Well-honed instincts and Innate resolve or ursine vigor

[junior plover]

WHI and resolve

I run ursine as 3rd into rogue mage but

It's more of a meme

It makes the matchup piss easy if you get the bear tho

[vapid crane]

Have you tried guardian with heart

[lofty lodge]

It means i only get 1 potency but...it seems worth it with the state of resto druid.

[junior plover]

You should be able to get 2 endurance and potency by now

[lofty lodge]

im using the convoke potency but im losing the WG one

[junior plover]

Pretty sure right?

I guess behind on renown?

[lofty lodge]

You do

I have 1 potency and 3 endurance in dreamweaver at 28

[junior plover]

No clue what u mean

Yeah you can go 2/2 too

Through left side

[vapid crane]

Guardian affinity heart of the wild

[junior plover]

Ah

No I haven't

[vapid crane]

It's honestly very stupid

[lofty lodge]

Oh I see what youre saying Niya

[junior plover]

Sounds like that's where the meme should go next tho

I already dropped thorns for

The pvp talent with bear hp

[vapid crane]

You're actually a guardian druid with it right

[junior plover]

Whatever it was called

Yeah more or less

[vapid crane]

Two frenzied

Stackable iron fur

[junior plover]

Sounds terrible but into specifically mage rogue in 2s

Where you don't need bash setups

Maybe lol

[vapid crane]

When we played double boomie from 0-2050 in like 50 games we played one resto affinity one guardian

Sort of baited people to go guardian

[haughty compass]

I mean to be fair, I convoked my way to 1800 in week 2 and just kinda sat it in 2s with my disc buddy

[vapid crane]

And it was very funny

[junior plover]

Lol

[vapid crane]

We just make it awkward to go me

So they get tired and go him

At lower CR all we had to do was have me start stealth and him start mounted

[junior plover]

Lol

Yep

That'll do it

[vapid crane]

People still take that bait at 1900 thob

[junior plover]

I had the same train of thought lately

Rogue mage pretty much never sits on my healer but on me if I start in stealth

But if I start in bear

They'll always go to him

[safe heart]

anyone play a bunch of skirmishes today ? seemed like there was an unusally high amount of like 220 geared glads queuing lol

[junior plover]

So I just got into the habit of raking the mage and instantly going bear

[vapid crane]

You guardian aff?

[junior plover]

Yep

Resto with a healer in 2s

[vapid crane]

Roar feels kind of OP into rogue mage

[junior plover]

Kinda eh

It is

It also works through shadowy duel

[surreal loom]

rogue/mage is free win

[vapid crane]

Did not know that

[junior plover]

All aoe does

Yeah i farm rogue mage

[vapid crane]

It's our hardest matchup as double boomie

[safe heart]

yeah if rog/mag doesnt kill u in the opener, they just lose

[junior plover]

There's some smart ones around 2200 mmr

That won't open if i go bear after rake on mage

And will just reset

These ones gave me some trouble

[safe heart]

for sure, im talking about the little leagues where i hover hah

[junior plover]

Also once every few games we'll inevitably overlap trinkets with my healer

And just insta lose on next go

But as long as you don't suck you can train the rogue

[safe heart]

kyrian has been fun today btw as a first time user

the damage is impressive

esp combined with berserk

would get almost anyone i opened on down to sub 30% if they didnt die

but this was skirmishes

[junior plover]

You people need to stop tempting me i can't make a 2nd druid

[safe heart]

so idk if its good evidence

i have 2 druids

everyone shoul;d

1 on each faction

[junior plover]

See that's the issue I want both on horde

Give shadowmeld to horde ok thanks

[edgy shale]

thats way too much effort to make another character of the same class

[boreal timber]

[junior plover]

It's like 16h just to level

But also I'd really rather alt Kyrian feral than any other dps

So is it really any different from people making alts of different classes?

[edgy shale]

16 hours wtf that's so long

[junior plover]

Yepp

Maybe a bit faster if i do nothing but dungeons

But my brain would be mush

[edgy shale]

plus, yea if i wanna make an alt its a lot more interesting to play a new class, where I get to learn shit while leveling

[junior plover]

0-60

Lol ye

[primal bane]

50-60 is 4 hrs

[junior plover]

Altho the fate thing

Not the fastest leveling experience either

[primal bane]

0-50 is one of the least fun things you can do in wow

only compensation is that you know youre done with that character forever and only need 10 lvls every xpac

[junior plover]

With the trial exploit?

Yee I'll look into that

I gave up on my hunter at 56

But to be honest

[primal bane]

shammy is really fun to play

[junior plover]

Boi i hate hunters

[primal bane]

but im in awe at how many buttons he has

[junior plover]

I thought I might enjoy survi in pvp

But nope

The class is cursed

[primal bane]

hunter is great except mm

mm is not hunter and its also boring

[junior plover]

Mm is the worst thing I've ever seen

[primal bane]

i like BM a lot

and survival is a very "full" class aswell

altough lacking in dmg

[edgy shale]

yeah, bm is def a cope spec

[junior plover]

Trap based pvp gameplay is kinda interesting but everything else makes me wanna puke

[junior plover]

Lol

[primal bane]

trap based?

u have 2 traps

[junior plover]

Yeah but your entire playstyle resolves around freezing trap

Take it away and you're not even a spec

Literally worthless

[primal bane]

i mean yeah

its really fun to play with it

you always feel engaged with a hunter

easy to escape CC, never slowed, never casting, never stop moving

all while at range

[crude minnow]

until you cast rez pet

[junior plover]

Yeah maybe if MM wasn't disgusting to play as

And they had a 3rd spec

But survival just felt like a budget feral

[primal bane]

if this game wasnt dogshit rez pet would be a hoax

[junior plover]

To be fair

They just got buffed

Pets and all

[primal bane]

lol

hunters need a lot more than pet to be alive

pet to be alive is legitimately the bare minimum

to be called a class

[junior plover]

Yeah

But survi jungle isn't bad

[primal bane]

yes but its literally pointless

there is an easier and better version

[junior plover]

Yeah that's kindaa true

But then you have to play mm

It all comes back

To this

[primal bane]

yeah idk why they didnt just make a 3rd dps spec that plays the same as BM

they made 3 dps rogues that you cant ever distinguish

so rogue is always top tier bc its rlly hard to shit on all 3 specs at once

[junior plover]

Nah the rogue specs are actually very distinguishable

As much as they can be really

That's why they're always top tier

Because they can fill every meta

Same with mages

[primal bane]

wow is a tab targeting game

its irrelevant what any class brings to the table

just their numbers

[junior plover]

[edgy shale]

[primal bane]

no class deserves or neds a reasoning to be S tier

make them balanced ffs

[junior plover]

Hot take but

If not for hpal

[edgy shale]

cope is a psychopath.

[junior plover]

This would be the most balanced pvp

In a long fucking time

Everything is viable it's crazy

Well not MW

[primal bane]

and resto

[junior plover]

But seriously fuck Hpal i don't even know anymore

[primal bane]

i will hurt you pod

[junior plover]

Take any comp
Remove healer
Put hpal

Better comp

[edgy shale]

i know u will

that's why im staying away from u

[polar nymph]

I'm just happy my Holy Priest is allowed to heal this expansion.

[junior plover]

Yeah even holy priest is viable

It's good times if not for hpal

And mage i guess but honestly mage should be fine now

[polar nymph]

Why does Fire always have to be better?

[junior plover]

Than what

[edgy shale]

back in the day it was always frost

[polar nymph]

Arcane

[edgy shale]

but fire has been dumb a while in a row

[junior plover]

Oh arcabe

Arcane has been shit in everything always

Except wod pve

[polar nymph]

It's not even bad right now but everyone thinks you have to be Fire.

[junior plover]

None of the mage specs are bad

But it's like

Would you prefer a mage or a boomkin

Arcane is that Boomkin

Mage is the most broken spec in the game

Well was anyway

[edgy shale]

fire mage ya

[junior plover]

We'll see about that

What defensive do arcane mages even get?

Cauterize is broken as fuck and 2x iceblock is super good too

[polar nymph]

Temp and greater invis.

[primal bane]

mage should seriously lose

at least 40% of their defensives

[edgy shale]

don't they get reverse time

[polar nymph]

No.

[junior plover]

All specs get alter time

[polar nymph]

Alter Time

[junior plover]

I think

[edgy shale]

i thought arcane got a mega version

wat am i thinking of

[polar nymph]

You give up Shimmer.

[junior plover]

Not having cauterize is seriously gimping yourself in this meta too

[surreal loom]

Hm, is Korayn decent this week for Feral? two potency, 10% damage and permanent 15% movespeed?

[junior plover]

I'll try korayn for sure

[primal bane]

mfw mage has 1 minute or less cd on barriers worth their entire hp, have double blinks, a full hp immunity heal, a heal in general, a speed boost, infinite roots

[polar nymph]

People over value Caut

[primal bane]

but theyre supposed to be a cloth class

[polar nymph]

No one ever took it when it was a talent

[edgy shale]

i mean..getting something for free is very diff from having to talent it

[junior plover]

Yeah but in this meta

[edgy shale]

its a free life lol

[junior plover]

It's super strong

You get to greed your iceblock

[surreal loom]

Man pod conduit is really bad in pvp now unless you're running with pal

[junior plover]

Really hard

Like you can stay at 5% life

[primal bane]

its always been bad

its also unfun

[junior plover]

For a few sec

[polar nymph]

So does Arcane

[junior plover]

And just chill

How

Genuinely don't know

[primal bane]

at the very least

[polar nymph]

Greater invis is a short cooldown dr

[primal bane]

paladin is genuinely immobile and not very tanky

[polar nymph]

And you get temp

[primal bane]

it can almost excuse how many bullshit cards he has

but mage?

i feel like im burning through healer's cooldowns when fighting a mage

[junior plover]

Greater Invis is really strong too tbh

But it doesn't help you survive without a trinket

[polar nymph]

That's why you play Human

[junior plover]

Being able to survive 2 goes in cc makes you almost always have trinket/ib/caut up

[primal bane]

human racial legit too insane

you can be extremly stupid with your trinket

in fact having human racial makes it almost impossible to have a bad trinket usage

[junior plover]

Human is still absurdly op even after the changes

[primal bane]

what changs when

[junior plover]

Doesn't virtually every class that can go human

Go human

It used to not share cd with trinket

No one played anything but human

[rich crag]

I dunno I love the meld combat drop and ability to simply hide lol.....

[polar nymph]

Arcane's barrier is also a dt and cc reduction that stacks with relentless

[junior plover]

Classes that can't be human were seriously gimped by that fact alone

[polar nymph]

Dr

[primal bane]

thats barely a change

[junior plover]

Wdym

[primal bane]

why would you doubletrinket a DR stun

[junior plover]

???

You had 2 trinkets

[primal bane]

yes

now u have 2 tgrinkets

30s apart

i ask again

[junior plover]

90s

[primal bane]

why trinket a DR stun?

oh

shit

when did that happen

[junior plover]

Ye

[polar nymph]

Lol

Legion

[junior plover]

Never been 30

Most humans don't even run the cc trinket anymore

[polar nymph]

We run Relentless

[primal bane]

thats fair

i liked more pvp trinket as a pvp talent tbh

[junior plover]

Basically the human racial is

[primal bane]

there are some insane trnkets you cant use in pvp

[junior plover]

You get the relentless trinket

As your racial

The on use trinket stays the same pretty much

[polar nymph]

Pve trinkets should be banned from arena

[edgy shale]

this xpac thats true, but ive seen plenty of humans run double on use

[junior plover]

Yeah it happens

It's not bad tbh

Half cd on trinket

Especially in something like RMP

[edgy shale]

altho trinket was on pvp talents for a bit huh

[junior plover]

Or vs rmp

Weird times

Oh yea also rogue humans can just run a pve trinket in that slot

[primal bane]

wasnt it all of bfa?

[junior plover]

Man i hate humans

[primal bane]

god i fucking love one shots so much

[junior plover]

Gonna take my proud zandalari troll all the way to glad and you can't stop me

[primal bane]

wow will not be even half as fun if they bring back old pvp meta

zandalari were done dirty

has to be worst racial easy

[edgy shale]

i play zandalari

when paly offheals are stupid, its actually pretty nice for paly

arent*

[junior plover]

Zandalari isn't even that bad

Cdew considers it a viable choice for horde hpal

But it doesn't compare to nelf for feral

[edgy shale]

nothing does

[junior plover]

Yepp

[primal bane]

whats so good about nelf feral

im kult druid

bc of the better appearances

[polar nymph]

Kt druid here too

[rich crag]

You have like a pseudo vanish with meld

you can meld, prowl, re-open

meld, flight form in the world

[primal bane]

shit

wait meld lasts that long?

[polar nymph]

Haymaker wins matches.

[primal bane]

u wont be fucked in 6 full seconds standing still?

haymaker is OP in RBGs

[junior plover]

You can even meld mid gcd

And rake

Rake stun

As you're fighting someone

[primal bane]

thats fucking huge

[rich crag]

no you set up a macro to prowl as soon as you can when out of combat

[edgy shale]

u dont need to stand there for 6 seconds lol, meld takes u out of combat

[primal bane]

thank godim boomie i guess

[junior plover]

Also

Shadowmeld fucks up convoke

So feral mirrors

I fucking hate nelfs

[primal bane]

bro i never even realized how good all of this shit is

[junior plover]

Its just a better feign death

Someone hard casting cc at you?

Fucking meld it

Ez clap

Probably not worth it but you get the point

[primal bane]

whats meld cooldown?

[rich crag]

2

[junior plover]

🕑

[primal bane]

ehh

if it was 1

id consider a racial chang

but haymaker is still pretty great for me

no wonder nobody takes incarnation on feral

u already have it

[junior plover]

Also you just can't

I'd love to have incarn

But you'll be so energy starved

It's impossible to play

Actually more than that

Savage Roar

Savage Roar is so absurdly broken

But you just can't run it

The spec doesn't work without sotf

Savage Roar + Kyrian + TF + Dark Archangel

Sounds like fun tho

Casual 30k crit bites

[spice pilot]

Hi guys what's the best race for horde arena as boomkin

[primal bane]

man if i end up

[junior plover]

I don't think there are any good choices other than Tauren but I'm kitty

[primal bane]

playing more feral

ill be so pissed for not having meld

[junior plover]

Imagine being alliance and no meld

Kekw

[primal bane]

i wantred to play

big undead guy

[junior plover]

[primal bane]

actually yeah

wtf do horde ferals get?

a cyc setup?

anything else?

[junior plover]

Some stamina

You can't even stomp into clone I'm pretty sure

Not enough haste

[primal bane]

im literally

foaming at the mouth

doing any sort of 1v1 with a priest

why do they ahve this amount of fucking cc

not a single blizz dev playtests anything for shit thats not LFG

[junior plover]

This amount aka

1?

Ah shadow priest

[primal bane]

let me put

20k dps dost on you

[junior plover]

Bro you're always upset about every spec in the game

[primal bane]

then be allowed to mind control

back to back

15 seconds

then a fear

then a stun

then a horrify

then a silence

what a fucking gmameplay experience

mindgames too

bot too smart

[drifting heath]

Which soulbind tree are people running for resto?

[primal bane]

not a single cc i mentioned except MC gets DR btw

[junior plover]

Mc has Dr with fear

If it didn't priest would actually be broken

[primal bane]

i think dying for a spriest

is a choice

[edgy shale]

cope u should make an spriest

[junior plover]

[primal bane]

i will not level anything again i did dungeons to 50

[edgy shale]

buy a boost

w/ gold

[primal bane]

sponsor me

[rich crag]

at least in 1v1s rets, ww or rogues (if barksin on CD) seem more annoying personally....

[primal bane]

rets not at all

prot is unbeatable in 1v1

unless youre missing several parts of your brain

rogues never felt bad to me idk why i get theyre supposed to be 1v1 kings

and vanish is OP

but they dont feel unbeatable

ww kinda crazy but ive not met many yet

[junior plover]

Complaining about 1v1 balance is something I'll never get

[primal bane]

whats there not to get

majority of casual pvp is open world

majority of open world is hopefully 1v1

[junior plover]

Casual pvp doesn't have to be balanced

Because it's casual

[primal bane]

unless its BFA and we have a 10 horde to 1 ally ratio in WM on

so make every open world ability now one shot players

[junior plover]

That would actually be balanced

[primal bane]

and not fun

[junior plover]

Wouldn't be fun tho

[primal bane]

or interesting

exactly

[junior plover]

Yeah but it's not balance

[primal bane]

thats the point of 1v1 balancing

make it at least somewhat reasonable

[junior plover]

Balancing around 1v1 will break literally every form of pvp that actually matters

[primal bane]

nerfing charm will break pvp?

nerfing prot pally will break pvp?

[junior plover]

Yes nerfing mc because it's oppressive in 1v1

[primal bane]

disc priests at start of bfa did dps dmg with a healing spec

[junior plover]

Will literally kill priests

[primal bane]

they got nerfed for that

[junior plover]

In pvp

[rich crag]

just seems weird you so upset about SP but not ret lol.. oh well.... to each his own 🙂

[polar nymph]

Let's prune everything Cope can't cope with

[primal bane]

idk man ret has like no tankyness just heals

[junior plover]

[primal bane]

pop his bubble, 1000 roots and cycs

then just kill him

proy pally u cant kill

[junior plover]

Ret has a 50% damage reduction every minute

[primal bane]

and just needs a lucky proc to be as good as ret in burst

[junior plover]

From the actually good legendary

It's extremely tanky

[primal bane]

never felt like that

but i also never felt dk to be squishy

[rich crag]

as feral can get away from just about anyone 1v1 its just the instant nonsense that is annoying...

[polar nymph]

People who only call for nerfs piss me off.

[rich crag]

I actually like winning fights that I should lose 🙂

[edgy shale]

buffs only can work, but it also leads to absurd power creep.

[polar nymph]

PvP feels great right now.

[thorny venture]

I really really miss scaling

[polar nymph]

Don't screw with it.

Scaling was horrible

[surreal loom]

just make forebearance a minute, then we good

[primal bane]

scaling is nice but blizz doesnt know how to do it

[junior plover]

Nerf Hpal leave everything else

[thorny venture]

Scaling was better than the coinflip gear situation pvp is right now

[polar nymph]

If this was any other expansion Convoke would be dead.

No it wasn't

[junior plover]

If not for the bugs

[edgy shale]

getting punished for having better gear is pretty pepega

[junior plover]

Scaling could be ok

But it was bugged from start to finish

And they never bothered fixing it

[thorny venture]

If they could make customizable templates, I'd go for that.

[polar nymph]

Oh gosh no

[junior plover]

Templates are best for competitive pvp

[primal bane]

idk whats so hard about it

[junior plover]

But they're resident sleeper

[polar nymph]

Stop reinventing the wheel

[edgy shale]

its not an rpg anymore at that point

wow is foremost an rpg

[junior plover]

Yeah i like the rpg element

[primal bane]

just make spells do an exact amount of damage

[thorny venture]

I don't care about the rpg aspect in PVP or ESPECIALLY rated PvP

[junior plover]

Yeah we had that

[polar nymph]

This is an mmo sir

[junior plover]

People hated it

[edgy shale]

fair enough, that doesn't change the fact its an rpg lol

[thorny venture]

you can't have gear and a rated pvp system, it just doesn't work and will eventually cause pvp to die again

It's popular right now literally only cause the raiders got in first week when gear was equal and got their rating

[junior plover]

Pvp was literally least popular when there was no gear

[thorny venture]

That's cause they also removed rewards from pvp at the same time

[junior plover]

Yeah well

[edgy shale]

pvp isn't even popular at all compared to pve

[junior plover]

How do you reward pvp players

If there's no gear in pvp

Like what

[thorny venture]

by gear they can use in pve and world content

[junior plover]

Who cares about that if they're a pvp player

[primal bane]

how are they ever rewarded if scaling works

[junior plover]

You're proposing a system thatd be best for diehard pvp players

[thorny venture]

or if you must, let unranked pvp be a slog for undergeared people and let the elitists assuage their real life insecurities by dominating random people

[junior plover]

Then saying

Just reward them with gear to quest with

[primal bane]

speakingof

[edgy shale]

its elitist to work for gear then want to own people with it?

[primal bane]

how good is shaman in 1v1

[edgy shale]

wtf lol thats like the basis of wow

and mmos

[primal bane]

id imagine not very

[thorny venture]

I mean it was the basis of wow, doesn't make it fun, or good or the long term health of the game

[junior plover]

Well

I think the exact opposite

So you see we've got a problem

Making PVP into an isolated arcade minigame

[edgy shale]

people like owning other people in pvp games. thats just a thing

[junior plover]

Disconnected from wow as a whole

You literally might as well just go play a dedicated competitive game at that point

[primal bane]

you already should btw

[junior plover]

And that's what people do

[primal bane]

pvp in this game is not the greatest thing

[junior plover]

When you disconnect pvp from the game

They quit

[thorny venture]

Blizzard did two things at once when they needed one. Add gearing paths back to pvp, but leave scaling for a while

[edgy shale]

plus, i think its kinda dumb to only play 1 aspect of the game, pvp or pve. wow is really fun to me cuz there's so much shit to do

[thorny venture]

pvp participation would've skyrockted even with scaling

[edgy shale]

no cuz most people don't like wow pvp lol these assumptions ur making are assuming way too much

[junior plover]

You can't have gear not matter and have pvp players feel rewarded at the same time

They're mutually exclusive

I like pvp but if wow arena was a standalone game

It would not be on my pc right now

[thorny venture]

All the people coming into PvP at all are PvE players after gear

[junior plover]

And I don't even play pve anymore lol

[primal bane]

if you like disconnected pvp

you should try gw2

[surreal loom]

I feel like Korayn actually can be pretty good; Niya helps convoke but with conflux thatll kill anyone regardless if it channels. Korayn makes that first bite when you open on someone yuge

[junior plover]

Korayn is big dick

[surreal loom]

I hit a 22k bite on a dummy in my pvp setup

[primal bane]

you can play fully scaled pvp at 0 costs as soon as u reach lvl 1

[edgy shale]

korayn is gonna be good, but there's no much point till next week

[junior plover]

It's 2 weeks isn't it

[rich crag]

gw2 is boring though.... well it was like 8 years ago or whatever 🙂

[surreal loom]

Yeah we only get 30 next week

When youd play niya with burrs

[junior plover]

I can't not go double potency with niya

[thorny venture]

Like pvp is gonna be dead for alts in a few more weeks and just gonna be miserable. Like unrated bgs is already decided by which side has high gear player deciding to queue up for anima or something

[edgy shale]

wait when is the korayn thing i thought it was 30

is it 31 or some shit

[surreal loom]

its 31

[edgy shale]

oh is burrs 30?

thats prob wat im thinking of

[surreal loom]

yeah burrs is 30, face fears is 31, dreamweaver is who cares

[edgy shale]

kk

burrs are gonna PUMP

[thorny venture]

Burrs doesn't work on anything already slowed

[junior plover]

Yeah the alt issue and new player issue are a problem

But everyone else put the time in to get their conquest gear

[rich crag]

a lot of good player see that reality but a lot really enjoy rolling over undergears for some reason 🙂

[primal bane]

yeah wow actually suffers from getting new players more than dota

every wow played ive met

knows insanely weird or obscure things

from 4 expansions ago

thats nearly 10 years

[thorny venture]

epeen, feelings of satisfaction they can't get anywhere else in game or life?

[junior plover]

I think BFA scaling done right

Would be best

Have gear matter

[primal bane]

ultimate epeen challenge

[thorny venture]

I get wanting gear to "win faster" as a thing, and it works in pve when the enemies are computer programming. It falls apart when your system requires real life humans to suffer on the other side to make you feel better.

[junior plover]

But have skill be the primary factor

[primal bane]

go camp Aspirant's rest with your main

[viral granite]

Why is pvp dead for alts in a few weeks

[primal bane]

those fresh alts need a lesson

[junior plover]

So that you don't have to lose 100 games straight to even get your first piece of gear

It's not dead you'll just have to suffer through a shit tone of losses

[primal bane]

bc most people finish their alts levelling process soon into the xpac

and like nobody is under ilvl 200-210 no more

[thorny venture]

it's not fun losing BG after BG after BG trying to grind out honor

[junior plover]

Because 10k less health

[primal bane]

ur gonna be dead

[rich crag]

I dunno I don't even do high rated stuff or whatever but the idea of rolling over folks 20 ilevels lower isn't even fun as it' snot going to be much of a challenge

[viral granite]

When is 9.1

[junior plover]

Like mid march

Early April maybe

[thorny venture]

9.1 will be May

6 months

[junior plover]

Hard disagree

[thorny venture]

nah, Blizzard is pretty consistent on tier lengths

if anything it'd be later than that

[junior plover]

1st tier is usually 20 weeks

[thorny venture]

9.1 won't even be announced until late Feb

and you'll have at least 8 weeks ptr

[junior plover]

Yeah the march was a stretch

Probably late April or really early may

Damn that's a lot of time to get glad

[viral granite]

Oh lawd

[pallid raptor]

anyone have thoughts on the convoke change for ferals

ppl i know think its actually a buff cuz u get more ferocious bites?

[thorny venture]

it's a buff

[junior plover]

We literally don't know

Because we don't know how the convoke rng works

[surreal loom]

If you run Frenzy, its probably equal or buff; if you run BT its a nerf

[junior plover]

The FF slot might always be shred now

It might be 50/50 with bite

It might even be berserk

Either way it's inconsequential

The most likely scenario is that it's a 50/50 between shred and bite

In which case it's a nerf

Very slight nerf

[thorny venture]

We do know how it works

[junior plover]

Do we know how this change changes the rng pool?

We've never had convokes without FF before so we really have nothing to compare to

It could be implemented in many different ways

[thorny venture]

We know how the ultimate spells worked

it was a roughly 5% chance every spell casted could be replaced by an ultimate spell

could replace form spell, or share

[junior plover]

And what's the shred/fb chance?

I actually don't know

Are they 50/50?

If all bleeds and moon fire are out of the picture

[thorny venture]

you act as if convoke wasn't casted 1000s of times in beta to figure it out. It'll put a dot/hot on everything it can in range, and then form spells are capped at 4 unless it can't cast something else.

[junior plover]

I know that

Doesn't change anything about what I said

5% chance to replace a cast with an ultimate spell still means the ff slot could be filled with berserk

[thorny venture]

berserk?

[junior plover]

Yeah convoke can cast berserk? Or did they remove that at some point?

[surreal loom]

I guess he means tigers fury

[junior plover]

Wait can it really not?

[surreal loom]

never could