Anyone using the natural orders Will as balance druid in 2v2 or 3v3?
#pvp
edgy shale
sorry im in an RBG, but sure u can get outta combat sometimes, but i was gonna say why not just stealth but i fuess ur not feral
dusk bluff
Having trouble staying alive for resets.
rich crag
@vestal citrus Would you find it any good for worlds or random bgs and nonsense like that ?
i guess it depends on playstyle also
fathom oxide
it works in duel
i will be bunny
it just seems weird
why hasnt anyone tried or talked about it
edgy shale
well u can't go potency w/ that and also koryan is kinda unexplored in general cuz its not great until the last talent thing
fathom oxide
yea sure
but i was playing dreamweaver
cuz i have that in pve
i now i look what i can get from koryan
edgy shale
maybe its good for resto i have no idea
fathom oxide
ok so the stun is alittle awkward
cuz its 2gcd
u need to pop soulshape first and then charge
clear pulsar
Its terrible u have to blink twice for the stun
So u come out of stealth and get put in combat before u have a chance
To actually use it
Sry this msg
The stun sucks
viscid quest
Anyone has a good guardian rbg fc guide there?
fathom oxide
Read up
but still, as nf i can go korayn?
or are u niya for 2x potency
(if nightfae)
edgy shale
i mean tomorrow koryan gets double potency
fathom oxide
i cant really change all my conduits for arena sinse i need to minmax for pve in my guild
so think ill have to run with korayn for pvp
surely must be better than dreamweaver lmao
fathom oxide
oh yeah looks good for pvp
but i cant really keep swapping it
for pvp and pve
because of conduit energy
queen copper
exotic wolf
exactly
yo master @vestal citrus
how many socket slots do you have? how much versa do you have?
clear pulsar
i cant really change all my conduits for arena sinse i need to minmax for pve in...
What would u even change tho
fathom oxide
sry i dont understand ;::(
clear pulsar
Conflux is best potency for evrything and everything else kinda sucks equally
exotic wolf
im missing like 2 or 3 sockets. am at 29.75% versa. is there any benefit of going over 30%? I heard there's a dr at 30%
@vestal citrus
restive cairn
What do u guys think about convoke nerf
fathom oxide
if i go dreamwavert i have to go to soothing boice
restive cairn
No full moon is it still legit?
fathom oxide
voice
clear pulsar
Idk what you're talking about swapping idk what spec you play or anything
fathom oxide
resto
restive cairn
What do u guys think about convoke nerf
T???
fathom oxide
korayn that bad?
clear pulsar
Korayn is pretty pointless for healing compared to 400 mastery every 2 mins
I mean just read the powers
fathom oxide
yeah i understand, but i cant keep changeing between them
clear pulsar
What tree do u use in pve?
clear pulsar
fathom oxide
ask torty
๐
i could go niya but then i cant pick the last potency conduit
should i do that?
just to be clear im not here to argue with you i just want help :p
errant blaze
Why is it that a balance doesnt wanna bond with the partner in arena? Says everwhere to bond with yourself but not why
Its purgable?
edgy shale
clear pulsar
Because bonding with partner = damage is wasted if either of you get ccd or peeled or isnt bursting
edgy shale
when people come in here expecting kyrian bind to be a reasonable ability that makse sense
errant blaze
Yea okay good point
fathom oxide
Because bonding with partner = damage is wasted if either of you get ccd or peel...
isnt floral recyling better for pvp?
clear pulsar
If you bond with a healer it becomes purely a defensive spell and not a very good one at all either @errant blaze
clear pulsar
isnt floral recyling better for pvp?
Yeah 400 more heal on swiftmend big deal
Ns cdr better imo
fathom oxide
was that sarcasm
edgy shale
fathom oxide
now this guy shows the necro conduits
so its not really the same
but he picked floral
clear pulsar
No he didnt
He says it in the guide
But his character has NS cdr equipped
And the adaptive swarm conduit
I mean he is a rdru main mostly and a great player but he has barely played rdru this season anyway
He streams everyday just ask him
Always playing disc priest his druid is like 195 ilvl. But has NS cdr equipped :)
fathom oxide
okey, i asked in this discord before what source i should be using and everyone said wowhead
clear pulsar
Yeah ofc
Like I said
Potencu conduits are weak
Very weak
Floral recycling is fine
fathom oxide
(for pvp)
clear pulsar
It doesnt matter
fathom oxide
okey
clear pulsar
Just copy kubxy
Kubzy
:))
Wowhead guide is good
But as u can see it was last updated december 7th
fathom oxide
where can i find what kubzy is using
clear pulsar
No written guide is maintained fully all the time
fathom oxide
:p
clear pulsar
Check-pvp. Can also ask a bunch of the streamers pinned.
It'll probably all be the same thing. Endurance conduits are more important, floral recycling is fine, ns cdr is fine, conflux is fine, whatever doesnt rly matter much in winning or losing games
Ns cdr feels the most impactful for me
clear pulsar
Flop is evolved swarm, well honed, ready for anything
Kubzy same thing
Fnoberz same thing
Gilysel is evolved swarm, well honed, floral recycling
Nogard same thing
Minpojke same thing
There, 3 resto druid multi rank 1s playing one or the other
fathom oxide
with korayn
clear pulsar
Bruh lmao
fathom oxide
its the necro thing?
clear pulsar
Its just a bit absurd in my head that u think going korayn over niya should be the play cuz u think 1 potency is more important or something
fathom oxide
no im going korayn so i dont have to use conduit engery, not because of potencies
clear pulsar
But i'm sure korayn is fine. 10% extra heal under 35% sounds decent. I wouldnt imagine it's better than grove invigoration but pretty decent.
clear pulsar
no im going korayn so i dont have to use conduit engery, not because of potencie...
Youd only have to use conduit energy to swap potencies??????
Ok bro
Good talk
I'm going to sleep more until my vault
fathom oxide
i think u missunderstood what i was going for
but im sorry for the trouble
good night
ashen smelt
tbh korayn's power is in that 15% physical DR at the bottom (which would be comp specific anyway)
errant blaze
If you bond with a healer it becomes purely a defensive spell and not a very goo...
Yea okay, also very good point ๐ just swapped kyr today to try it out prepping the quest for nf so i can swap back tomorrow if i regret
lime light
edgy shale
fickle junco
finally got 1600 gear upgrade~ 
celest plume
Can (read as "should I instead of an off-spec") I bring a guardian to random BG's?
exotic wolf
finally got 1600 gear upgrade~ <:ComfyBear:638431216684630041>
congrats!
desert leaf
Are there certain races better than others for feral druid? (Alliance) I'm mainly considering the new races to see if they're worth unlocking
bitter harness
Can (read as "should I instead of an off-spec") I bring a guardian to random BG'...
yes
guardian druid is very good at defending bases and carrying flags :)
especially with the sleeper legendary (immune to CC during Berserk/incarn)
exotic wolf
Are there certain races better than others for feral druid? (Alliance) I'm mainl...
nelf with a huge lead on the other races
rich crag
some thoughts on taking strength of the wild over ferocious wound? (feral) seems neat in random bgs and world stuff anyway
tulip falcon
it's worth it if you pair with guardian aff
clear pulsar
It's good for 2 things yeah, surviving 1 shots like rogue+mage, rets, etc, and offhealing
tulip falcon
my duel/random build at the start of season was sotw/guardian/hotw
tulip falcon
this was when everyone was just oneshotting early expac tho
haven't dueled since so idk
clear pulsar
Maybe not always!? Idk
Lotp fero sotw is my default for pmuch everything
But thorns can be great too
clear pulsar
Like especially if you actually remember to use up your PS
It adds up to a lot of extra offhealing
clear pulsar
I meant sotw
tulip falcon
ah
clear pulsar
Leader is great but more so for the crit? Idk not a whole lot of melees in rbgs for lotp to heal other people
tulip falcon
ye thought you meant about duels still
clear pulsar
But 5% crit for everyone is big juice
And yeah for yourself too ofc
The selfhealing is deeeecent
It's not as good as in bfa
But still pretty strong as a talent
tulip falcon
ye it adds up to a lot
clear pulsar
Bro swear to you I do same total healing as healers
Between barkskin leggo and sotw offheal crits
It's ridonk
And hilarious
tulip falcon
i was doing feral/boomkin 2s to help my friend in blues
i was out healing enemy healers
some games lasted like nearly 10 mins
as double dps
celest plume
especially with the sleeper legendary (immune to CC during Berserk/incarn)
bloody hell another leggendary to make :/ I already have 3 @ r2
bitter harness
clear pulsar
Yeah I feel like I can justify taking resto aff way more often with barkskin leggo too
Or even balance aff
Typhoon is no joke in some maps
clear pulsar
Vortex is my fav utility spell in druid
It's tremendous
And when you have a 25k hp bait on your team
You don't get trained
tulip falcon
lmao yeah
bitter harness
vortex is pog true
rich crag
i actually sometimes like to take the mass roots so i can run away and kite fuckers lol
I dunno i wish they would make typhoon something you can have no matter what....
bitter harness
@vestal citrus will Korayn be the play at some point for boomies in RBG?
cold escarp
BOAT goes on pants or feet?
bitter harness
yes
bitter harness
I made legs because 235 legs + 226 boots > 226 legs + 235 boots I think
budget wise
tulip falcon
idk vortex just ruins a melee trains' day and its so satisfying
it's just so useful since it can be used in shit ton of diff ways
good offensively too
wraith totem
highest stam/int stat weight will always be in head chest and legs so try and choose them for the highest value at 235
clear pulsar
Korayn for the 15% dr may be good in big tf maps for boomie yeah
Like eots or gilneas!?
But there's so little physical damage that's relevant in rbgs I feel
Niya is just too much dam imo
And maybe even dreamweaver with the haste proc at your feet
tulip falcon
idk i feel like standing still in rbg with a melee train on you isnt a good idea still even with 15% reduction
it probably wont feel like a whole lot in that situation
clear pulsar
Yeah probably
tulip falcon
you need to kite back and force them to overextend or pull back
clear pulsar
Compared to just running and dragging people out of position and wild charging away etc
tulip falcon
only option really
ye
i also want to know how first strike works properly
like if it resets if you break combat or what
and if it works on targets that are in combat but just haven't hit you
that would be big for boomkin
dot healers and whatever hasnt hit you and chain for 25% crit procs back to back
clear pulsar
It probably does work to be cheesed like that and could be good, idk tho Niya is so much dam in CA
tulip falcon
true
imagine if you could cheese first strike like that
then meld to reset it again
clear pulsar
Kinda nasty
tulip falcon
but the description is so vague who knows
clear pulsar
Tho I could totally see it being like a debuff on the target ykno?
So cheesing on a healer to hit someone else wouldn't work
tulip falcon
idk normally in those types of spells it will say "chance to critical strike on the target" i think
whereas it just says your chance to critical to strike
fuck who knows
clear pulsar
Ok wowhead says it's a self buff
That's not purgeable
Good stuff
I mean I think niya is too good for boomie but as feral I think korayn will be insane
For sure
Like you get such a fast opener if you guarantee a crit on shreds
ashen smelt
idk i feel like standing still in rbg with a melee train on you isnt a good idea...
my thought process on the reduction is if you're stuck in a stun chain or something against warrior/rogue, but it seems niche all the same.
tulip falcon
well it takes 5 sec to proc so the stuns will basically be over if you were moving beforehand
clear pulsar
You only need basically 10% crit from gear + 5% from lotp and then you have 50% with korayn buff, Shred doubles in Berserk, and your opener is suddenly very fast, Rake Shred Bite Shred Bite guaranteed 5 cp bites basically.
clear pulsar
Without needing Symmetry or FF
ashen smelt
yeah i agree
tulip falcon
and it's guaranteed every opener
tulip falcon
lol yep
plus the first trait is quite nice
10% above 75% and below 35%
oh wait nvm its healing below 35%
thought it was dam too
ashen smelt
would that be enough to swap warriors to fae tho
jovial pine
wait, is it common knowledge you can proc boat twice rapidly?
jovial pine
atleast for boomkin
ashen smelt
pve def, pvp idk
vapid nexus
nothing will outdo condemn, single target is all that matters in raid
clear pulsar
wait, is it common knowledge you can proc boat twice rapidly?
It is pretty common knowledge that CA gives you BOAT yes
Give it doubled in fact since 2 eclipses
So you can get single boat from regular eclipse, dump 2 surges, then CA Convoke
jovial pine
oh shit
clear pulsar
Which is what people do in pve
Since forever
Wrath wrath surge surge dots CA Convoke is the single target pve opener afaik
jovial pine
i just figured out that you can do normal eclipse convoke into ca starsurges
clear pulsar
Nah CA Convoke is bis cuz you get doubled BOAT ye!?
So 80% crit first second
And between Conflux and Niya mastery proc
Convoke does way more damage than non-Convoke
candid moth
not trying to be toxic but that is day1 knowledge of the spec you play
if you read at least 1 guide
ashen smelt
Nah CA Convoke is bis cuz you get doubled BOAT ye!?
pretty sure the astral spells double dip, yeah
clear pulsar
candid moth
they do, yes
safe wind
I was 1 win away from hitting my second Vault item in an arena, and there was 45 seconds left until restart
The enemy mage uses Alter Time and Ice Block despite 0 incoming damage just to wait for the restart so we don't win...
woven mural
what are the best boomkin comps for 3s
haughty compass
Ele hpal
foggy ravine
i've been playing warrior hpal boomy some and its fun
glacial current
So are most boomies going kyrian now? or is fae still worth it in some scenarios
foggy ravine
convoke nerf is barely a nerf but I play kyrian cuz its awesome
safe wind
I have a hard time believing night fae's not still* best
foggy ravine
idk literally every minute as kyrian you have a substantial go
clear pulsar
Night fae wasn't really this bis thing to begin with
But the nerf doesnt really change much at all
stone nest
consistent dam will always beat out a burst window that has counters
clear pulsar
In terms of how good or bad the covenants are
foggy ravine
while NF you are either A; holding convoke too much or B: praying to the gods it doesn't get kicked cuz you don't know how to use it
stone nest
do you not think the people you play are good players?
foggy ravine
ya but any decent team will have a kick or cc ready for it
safe wind
do you not think the people you play are good players?
I mean, no matter how good you are you can't magically make your trinket off cd or get your interrupt back
stone nest
good players save their stuff for convoke
safe wind
Then it's a 2v2 where I don't have convoke and they don't have cds
foggy ravine
I hold my beam for convoke, and after its kicked I still get a go with a beam
safe wind
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
stone nest
why in a 2v2 would someone not have something for convoke
stone nest
terrible argument because its easier to have stuff for it in 2s
safe wind
It depends on the comp
foggy ravine
ya 2s cc the dps and its ez convoke
clear pulsar
Yeah this entire idea that convoke is bad cuz it's easy to stop is kinda silly idk
safe wind
^
clear pulsar
It's not this great spell some people rave about but it's sooooo usable every game bro
safe wind
If you think convoke is too easy to stop, YOURE the one who is too easy to stop
clear pulsar
It's all on you for getting it off proper
foggy ravine
I didn't say its bad just that kyrian is better
glacial current
i know convoke wont hit your rooted targets, but if you setup into a root beam healer and stun, it should all hit the stunned target right? or will it cast only heals
glacial current
alright thanks
stone nest
at the top level it gets stopped enough to make a good percentage play kyrian
safe wind
Roots, incaps, etc.
candid moth
It ignores CC that breaks
didnt they revert that ?
safe wind
They reverted the revert
glacial current
no its what they reverted to
candid moth
ah right
stone nest
no but people treat it like a press and win and its not
safe wind
At first it ignored, then they made it not, then they reverted it
clear pulsar
didnt they revert that ?
It was the other way around. Always ignored cc that breaks, then they made it ignore cyclone but hit into cc that breaks, then they reverted it back to first.
candid moth
got confused, thanks
clear pulsar
no but people treat it like a press and win and its not
Some games it is, cuz procing 2 surges in the first half second is oppressive
stone nest
yeah rng is rng for sure
foggy ravine
yes convoke is strong, it just requires more setup to use it properly
stone nest
im not arguing its bad
safe wind
Like I said, it's up to the comp you're against
stone nest
i play it
foggy ravine
and personally I like kyrian mastery buff and 15% damage buff every minute
stone nest
but im resto and it takes a set up
safe wind
If you're against arms/hpal, what are they gonna do if you ursol's+beam+convoke
clear pulsar
Well you're playing resto
Wrong emote sorry
That was unnecessarily mean
This was the one
stone nest
all im saying is at the top level unless youre cdew people handle it well
safe wind
^
stone nest
im talking in general
foggy ravine
ya jay I got you I was talking about adam
safe wind
In 3's it will be difficult to get a "press-to-win" convoke off
dreamy hornet
I play with priest and pala. Sometimes we play around my Convoke
safe wind
It's absolutely possible in 2's
candid moth
I was Kyrian at the start of the expansion. I hated how I had to link, get pot, send pet away every single game and also how garbage it felt in Mythic+ which I ocassionally do with friends
stone nest
i mean convoke is way more fun imo and for most people i think that the important thiing
they think they waant to climb but they really want to have fun playing pvp
safe wind
Yeah as long as convoke isn't dogshit, I'm staying NF
clear pulsar
Nah like
You can always get it off
If you're at your appropriate cr like
Ofc a 2k player will get danced around and not get a proper setup vs glads
But any proper match like people make even mistakes
I don't think it's a good argument
candid moth
if the enemy team holds all their cds in case I convoke it fine for me
clear pulsar
Formy is literally 3k
As night fae feral of all things, in melee range so easier to stop
dreamy hornet
Holy Word: Concentration helps a lot
candid moth
BoP is also nice against ww/warr
clear pulsar
Now sure he's a rank 1 player, but he's also playing against rank 1 players ye!? So naturally me being at duelist I'm not playing against rank 1 players, the argument that 'good players will know how to stop it' is a bit silly cuz good players will run circles around me regardless of my covenant.
dreamy hornet
Sometimes we run Holy Ward too
dreamy hornet
BoP is also nice against ww/warr
Yep. I run Feral, Ret and Holy Priest;
candid moth
fkin holy priest
had one last week who had the rezz legendary
in the enemy team
never been so triggered
turbid jolt
can they use that and night fae pod
like, while angel can htey heal their pod
then come back from pod then die again and come back from lego
candid moth
idk, he wasnt nightfae as far I could tell
but he came back after dying. First he was an angel like normally and then just rezzed
turbid jolt
yeah kind of annoying but they're way easier to kill right
candid moth
you dont have that much time as most double dps combs in 2s
to kill them, wait 15sec for them to actually die and then kill them again
I'll just go on their dps in the future in case they have it but it shouldnt work in arena period
pure marsh
is Draught of Deep Focus really good in 2v for Rdruid ? i mostly alway hear about circle of life for dpsing as resto
clear pulsar
like, while angel can htey heal their pod
You don't die while you're in the pod
It triggers a cheat death like rogue cheat death on you
And then you die if the pod dies
So you dont have angel while pod is up
You get the angel only if the pod dies
safe wind
Healing pod does nothing anyway, it's a damage threshold. It's health bar doesn't actually matter
clear pulsar
Healing pod does nothing anyway, it's a damage threshold. It's health bar doesn'...
That is absolutely not true buddy
harsh jasper
I think I missed the discussion on removing FF from Convoke, doesn't that seem like a buff since it may cast a FB instead?
harsh jasper
Healing pod does nothing anyway, it's a damage threshold. It's health bar doesn'...
Agree with face, not true
formal girder
I believe so Durwyn. FF is a higher level cast, right? so chances are it'll be replaced by bites
safe heart
i swapped to kyrian today and im scared lol
formal girder
casting convoke and seeing FF go off 3 times was not fun
clear pulsar
I think I missed the discussion on removing FF from Convoke, doesn't that seem l...
It's whatever. If you get one more bite that's good, if you get one more shred it's not so good, FF had potential to be a bit silly by procing at the very end so you ended with 5 cps, used a bite follow up, and then FF would give you 5 more if you were fast enough.
clear pulsar
casting convoke and seeing FF go off 3 times was not fun
Bro what? That is not a thing
Convoke didn't use FF more than once lmao
junior plover
Chances are that removing FF will actually just double the chance to get Berserk
From convoke
We literally don't know
formal girder
Im fairly sure ive had feral frenzy be cast multiple times on a target
tiny oar
HA thatd be sick
junior plover
Never noticed at least
safe wind
That is absolutely not true buddy
I'm trying to figure out what's going on in that clip, but I've personally killed seeds at like 3/4 or even full hp, and the tooltip agrees with me
I'm looking into it more rn
junior plover
I'm trying to figure out what's going on in that clip, but I've personally kille...
What happens is
The seed ends
Enemy is at low hp
He gets popped instantly
Not sure why sometimes people in seed get 0 healing tho
formal girder
Ive definitely offhealed pods through a lot of damage
junior plover
Yes, pods don't die until they drop to 0
formal girder
Stopped running pod myself though. Niya feels much better to run
tiny oar
@clear pulsar i won a match on my hpal earlier cuz i ult sac'ed a seed
safe wind
I haven't tried to heal or seen people heal seed to keep it alive in a long time, I know as an absolute fact that it was at one point a damage threshold
formal girder
60% mastery for 20 -30 seconds? yes please
junior plover
It never was
safe wind
I tested it with someone near beginning of xpac
junior plover
I've been playing seed since it was available
And my healer has outhealed many times
safe wind
I don't have any proof, it's just my eyewitness account
junior plover
Seed is buggy so that's probably why
There are times when I die with seed
And I just die
safe wind
But I KNOW I've killed a seed at close to full hp multiple times, we tested it pretty vigorously a couple weeks after xpac came out
safe wind
Could have been what happened, I know it's been buggy since it came out
haughty compass
Donโt play seed
formal girder
Ever had the seed bug where an arena ends and you're permanently stunned?
junior plover
Yes
junior plover
Lost 2 games to that before I learned to check and log out
Had it happen 20+ times at this point
formal girder
logging out didnt solve it for me
formal girder
I got a random person to pull me out of org as a priest then kill me in a duel on a dk
that was the only thing that solved it
junior plover
I got a random person to pull me out of org as a priest then kill me in a duel o...
Lul
clear pulsar
Ever had the seed bug where an arena ends and you're permanently stunned?
Logging out and back usually solves it for me
But yeah happens a lot
Just play niya
BIS anyway
junior plover
Worst case you can use the unstuck
formal girder
for sure. can't turn down that extra hp and mastery
but then it resets me to org and my easyframes reset ๐ฆ
haughty compass
I see people with 2100 in rbg with a win/loss of like 100-120
Iโm playing the wrong game
placid mirage
Anyone else get offered pvp gear with no vers from vault
placid mirage
It's a 226 crit mast cloak
safe wind
@placid mirage nah I got offered a beauty ๐
junior plover
Exaaactly
placid mirage
Nice grays
junior plover
<@!507744384524222471> nah I got offered a beauty ๐
Get out this is #feral
placid mirage
Grats*
safe wind
hahaha
junior plover
placid mirage
I bought my wep last week and blizz didn't even troll me by offering one this week
safe wind
Still new to druid, that's my first vault reward. Pretty much the absolute best I could hope for, right? BiS and most expensive?
junior plover
Yep
safe wind
I was so hyped when I saw it
clear pulsar
Alright boys
safe wind
2h can't have vers/mast tho right?
junior plover
No clue I'm kitty
clear pulsar
junior plover
But this is still goood
placid mirage
I got a ring which I needed but it's crit vers...sadge
clear pulsar
LOL yeah nice first vault brother
clear pulsar
I got a ring which I needed but it's crit vers...sadge
Do you have vers mastery from pve?
junior plover
no vault for me but at least I'm not American
safe wind
Good trade off tbh
clear pulsar
Cuz if you don't pve then vers mast + vers crit is bis for feral
placid mirage
I'm boomer I can see how u might think otherwise
junior plover
Lol
junior plover
It is actually known
placid mirage
Cat was too confusing for my small brain
junior plover
He's not lying
placid mirage
Boomie simple for simple player
junior plover
Feral Druid made top4 of ladder % representation
Good job bois
Representation being the key word
placid mirage
I already have a crit vers ring w/vers socket so idk
junior plover
Assasination rogue was 5th
placid mirage
For guardian fc? Ya :)
safe wind
Cats eat chickens for breakfast
what about weird bipedal pterodactyl things?
junior plover
For guardian fc? Ya :)
placid mirage
Gottem
placid mirage
Crit becomes significantly better if u run dreambinder and not boat right
junior plover
sir there's no boomers here
placid mirage
Hello team boomer
haughty compass
Socket haste vers belt. Wewww
junior plover
That's all i know
safe heart
thats all i know as well pretty much lol, i wanna understand exactly how to maximize this buff
foggy ravine
ya I tried binding to someone else
not worth
I stack all my 1m cds with the kyrian empowerment
so foe and badge and beam
pool your power up to like 90 before your 1m goes
you'll be a lot scarrier
placid mirage
Are there mastery boots?
clear pulsar
what about weird bipedal pterodactyl things?
Not enough data, queue up lets see
I am ready to rumble BOYYYe
placid mirage
Conq mastery boots*
safe heart
@foggy ravine im feral but i assume im doing the same thing kinda? ive been told to combo TF+FF+Trinket+kyrian
clear pulsar
It depends on covenant @placid mirage
I don't think Night Fae has vers mastery boots no
foggy ravine
ya from what I know about feral you wanna stack them together too
TF / trink / kyrian just stack so well together
clear pulsar
Ur covenant determines stats?
Some slots have a different piece depending on covenant
placid mirage
That's the dumbest thing in this xpac
foggy ravine
cov only determines wep stats I thought
safe heart
im wondering if im supposed to use TF to pump energy or if i just pop them at the same time for 15%+15% for 10s
clear pulsar
Could be only weapon, but 2h staff for instance is the same for all
Haste vers
For all covenants
placid mirage
I want vers mast every slot thx
foggy ravine
I feel like you'd want the energy gain from TF but I am not feral main
clear pulsar
I want vers mast every slot thx
I would say the same but it's not really true like
I definitely want some crit personally
Cuz I want to get to 20% base from gear
For korayn opener
placid mirage
I mean yeah I want some crit some haste
foggy ravine
kyrian 1H is crit/vers NF 1H is mas/vers
clear pulsar
Wuuut no way bro
tulip falcon
at 226
clear pulsar
165 vers form neck, 147 from each ring. It's such BIG FUCKING DAM bro
junior plover
Definitely macro trinket to Kyrian @safe heart
placid mirage
I can double upgrade ring this week with vault + conquest
For a total of like 50 ilvls
tulip falcon
i was so far behind on gear until the honor thing got bumped up
safe heart
I feel like you'd want the energy gain from TF but I am not feral main
see i kinda felt like this too but i havent gotten a clear answer yet
clear pulsar
GPU temp in fucken ardenweald bro what a ridiculous game
junior plover
The TF energy gain is nice wdym
clear pulsar
Yeah you definitely want to maximize the energy gain bro
junior plover
Imagine getting a 50 energy bite instead of 25
Ah sorry
Misread
Ye u probably wanna
Maim -> FF -> TF Bite
Kyrian before maim i suppose
That should put you at close to no energy lost
But I'm not kyrian
safe heart
the way i figured you play it is go in with 5cbs, pop everything, bite, FF, bite, then TF your way up to another bite
junior plover
Too much damage missed that way
clear pulsar
TF along with FF probably
junior plover
You want faster damage
clear pulsar
Like
junior plover
Not longer damage
clear pulsar
Maim TF FF Bite
tiny oar
main druid is 220 equipped now 
@clear pulsar time to reroll hpal
clear pulsar
main druid is 220 equipped now <:PogCat:797347121295654922> <@!1020949101019136...
Same
junior plover
Maim only costs 10 energy
clear pulsar
Main druid is 220 so now I go full arms warr
junior plover
safe heart
see thats why im asking cuz it seemed like maybe a slip up to miss out on the bonus energy but 30% dmg increase is significant
junior plover
I don't think there's a considerable difference between TF FF and FF TF
unique cairn
what conduits do u use as balance druid?
unique cairn
in pvp?
junior plover
But you definitely wanna have tf up for your bites
safe heart
didnt wanna hijack the convo with my newb questions
junior plover
Point of Kyrian is to deal huge damage fast
safe heart
so shove as much bite/dmg into that 10s window as i cna
junior plover
If you spread it out for too many gcds you'd just get outhealed
Or your cc will end
Yeah you wanna Maim and tf before ff or right after
safe heart
some ppl mentioned doing like 5cb Bite/4cb/4cb
clear pulsar
That's wiht berserk up and symmetry yeah
safe heart
im playing symmertry yea
junior plover
Yeah if you're going on berserk
junior plover
You can do 5 4 4
safe heart
ahh okay they didnt say with only berserk
junior plover
Or 5 5 5 if you have time
clear pulsar
That's the point yeah!? You want to deal damage fast, spreding it over 7 globals isnt so useful
safe heart
im specifically talking about the technique for the "1minute go"
no yeah you guys are right
safe heart
and press kyrian with FF
junior plover
Kyrian is longer right?
safe heart
it does sound pretty strong for raising your consistant damage
not as flashy as convoke and itll probbaly should me how much convoke carried me but maybe itll make me suck less playing this way lol
safe heart
๐ป
vast vapor
only spend 8 hours then
tulip falcon
i got my 2nd druid to 60 then cba gearing it and doing torghast etc
too much
can barely find the willpower to do it on my main
junior plover
Oh thanks for the reminder
Got thorgast to do today
At least feral torghast is piss easy
And fast
clear pulsar
I really don't wanna spend 14h getting 2nd druid to 60
It's like 4 hours
If you have gear from bfa and just spam dgs with a group
tulip falcon
i just did the threads of fate thing and had a lot of renown by the time i hit 60
which saved grinding later
clear pulsar
Yeah you get renown from each zone's quest
And spamming dungeons is really good for it
You get to max lvl at like 75% or 80% each
If you get an even split of dungeons
bright tundra
Anyone played both NF and Kyrian for feral and prefer Kyrian at >2.4k rating (2.4-2.6)
?*
livid wasp
its ridiculous how hard it is to even get 2.1k as jungle
haughty compass
Just paladins man
haughty compass
Ret / holy just so much better than everything else
loud wedge
is agi really important on guardian druid for rbg?
wondering if i should use 213 staff with int or 197 agi staff
haughty compass
Yea it is lol
livid wasp
and im not sure if I should force my hunter to go MM he just likes to play surv
livid wasp
he played bm first lol
dawn flame
So will convoke no longer one shot
placid mirage
You guys think crit becomes a lot more valuable as a stat running dreambinder over boat?
remote zealot
oath of the elder druid a good all around legendary for balance/resto?
sick monolith
I think good rng on convoke is still super important for one shots
stable otter
yeah
i mean if you get 3 good crit starsurges in a row yeah itโs still a one shot
safe wind
You definitely don't need full moon to get a one shot, it just made it happen more often
sick monolith
yeah and if you play with a rogue you might only need 1 starsurge in a kidnney
stable otter
yeah the sap kidney convoke combo still def works
tbh it really doesnโt change much
was fun af when it proced in rbgs tho
unique cairn
RBG do i go for "stellar drift" or twin moons"??
nova cypress
anything to do with extra honor, can't upgrade any gear quite yet
foggy ravine
RBG do i go for "stellar drift" or twin moons"??
twin moons, starfall is just to pad the meters
your AP should be for surges on kill target
spice pilot
Hello what's the best convoke legendary and slot?
loud wedge
someone wants to pop incarn convoke from stealth in 1k mmr arenas :p
spice pilot
Yep just loved to 60 on Sunday
timid estuary
what do you guys think might be a good healer with boomking for 2v2s?
foggy ravine
hpal
woven mural
Ret pal
wanton parcel
rdruid all day
haughty compass
Pretty much any of them
Hpal best
Iโm 1900 pretty easy with a disc. Dark arc convoke dirty
wanton parcel
an rdruid who can weave cat form and heal well is a lot more complimentary than any other healer imo
tiny oar
feral rdruid fucking RIPS
nova cypress
for balance , and night fae, what soulbind is recommended for arenas
tiny oar
feral rdru into arms hpal
boreal timber
paper solar
Anyone know if Draught of Deep Focus works with Germination?
ruby walrus
Anyone know what the increased rate is for BG's this week is? And does it stack with enlistment bonuses?
north wharf
50% increased honor from objectives and kills
basically just not the bonus honor at the end
bleak vault
Hi, how do I prevent myself from tilting off the face of the planet in a double dps 2v2 against a team that hard trains on me without stopping and not CCing my partner but my partner is unable to kill or CC any of them
north wharf
I mean, you're describing a situation with a partner who is not being useful
bleak vault
Yes but it's more the training part
Getting trained makes me want to quit the game
always been like that and I don't know how to stop
Should probably not play balance druid in arenas
north wharf
boomies (and most casters) should expect to be trained
quick root
Best boomkin legendary for RBGs exclusively?
north wharf
BOAT
foggy ravine
GOAT
north wharf
when in doubt, make BOAT
quick root
BOAT Boots?
shadow dagger
wrong channel mb
north wharf
BOAT legs probably slightly better for the increased stat weight - you can get haste/vers boots
chrome panther
binder is fine too and works better against comps with lots of ranged interrupts.
quick root
im pretty torn between feet and legs...
lean zinc
Should probably not play balance druid in arenas
balance probably deals better with being trained than most casters. if melee is hitting you youโre getting instant cast procs and you can kite better than most casters
so maybe you donโt like playing a caster (or, alternatively, would prefer playing with a healer or in 3s)
clear pulsar
with that said, I made feet myself because I had decent legs
Send pics
chrome panther
sit bear and laugh as your ret/ww/fmage globals someone
clear pulsar
I meant the nice legs
ruby walrus
Just pick whatever your lower ILVL is, and all things equal pick pants b/c I believe they cost more conquest
tiny oar
I'm a troll so I hope you like troll toes
Troll toes r so hot UGH
drifting burrow
is symmetry still best for feral pvp?
ruby walrus
Man Iโm debating on grabbing the guardian legg for a backup just in case we ever need a tank, but god do I hate FCโing
north wharf
I've seen boomies (straight up boomies) FCing at 2200 mmr for what it's worth
unique cairn
@foggy ravine soul or incarn ? same solstace or fury?
foggy ravine
im kyrian so I play fury, but solstice synergizes well with boat, I run incarn for ctf maps and starlord for everything else
treants for node maps to spin flag
otherwise nature balance
unique cairn
im night fea running the dreamcatcher for those surges
ruby walrus
Yeah Iโve ran off FC as resto sometimes with some cheese specs, but Iโm making the change to boomy to help team comp rn
foggy ravine
thats my build normally
unique cairn
ahh ๐ well im NF so might be diff, but gues it works, im running RBG atm
foggy ravine
you have dreambinder legendary you said?
foggy ravine
either solstice or fury of elune works for you probably thats just preference, if you run boat solstice >
incarn is nice for CTF maps for the extra burst, and force of nature is nice for nodes to spin flags
can swap dying stars ( pvp talent ) if you have an afl warlock too
ruby walrus
@drifting burrow itโs whatever the tigers fury one is in all pvp, except some play oath but that might be some kind of next level cheese idk about
For RBGโs
atomic pulsar
boomkin pvp. rbg preffered. which wep enchant?
junior plover
It's like 4 hours
No from 0 to 60
ruby walrus
@atomic pulsar celestial for all content
sick monolith
does anyone else whos using convoke think that incarn isnt worth it ? for 10s extra celestrial and 10% crit it doesnt seem worth it when we can get like 12% haste every 15s
ruby walrus
@foggy ravine why starlord over Incarn, I swap between the two a lot and I canโt get a good feel for it tbh
unique cairn
the extra haste is nice ๐
foggy ravine
fatty haste buff
unique cairn
12% is big ๐
foggy ravine
more haste -> faster clones / dot ticks / AP generation
unique cairn
im only at 14% atm but managed to get 25% vers
sick monolith
i dont get much damage in incarn anyways i get immediately cc'd / trained
safe heart
ppl are popping lone empowerment with their berserk goes as well right? no reason not to?
foggy ravine
I'd imagien so
with my CA goes as boomy I pop empowerment and trinket too
every 3m is a "big go" and every 1m is a go
safe heart
roger
sick monolith
yeah the 1min go is huge, i find with NF i'm a one trick pony
stable otter
does anyone else whos using convoke think that incarn isnt worth it ? for 10s ex...
if youโre running boat it def is
sick monolith
i am yeah
stable otter
50% extra crit chance + whatever your crit chance already is
sick monolith
40%
sick monolith
it got nerfed a while ago
north wharf
40 + 40
stable otter
yeah ik
north wharf
+10
stable otter
your base crit is 40% iโm saying?
sick monolith
nono from boat
stable otter
ya lol
sick monolith
my crit is 8% its a dead stat for me
sick monolith
does it snapshot the crit from the beginning of the channel?
stable otter
i donโt think so but
boat lasts 5 sec and convoke lasts 4 so like you get it for the entirety of the channel
even though it goes down every sec
so yeah actually less than half should crit but
incarn helps when boat is lower
like if boat is at 24% your crit is still 42%
sick monolith
yeah i guess it depends if you're banking on the extra push or want the consistent haste
stable otter
i mean if youโre like kyrian take starlord
but itโs def worth it for the burst
with convoke
itโs more even in rbgs i would think
but when you need big single target burst incarn is better
north wharf
the haste from starlord helps outside of convoke - but the whole deal with convoke is that you want things to die while you convoke
stable otter
yeah exactly
north wharf
we're not talking about sustained dps - we're talking about winning team fights, whether it's a large teamfight or a 3v3 at a node
north wharf
yeah
sick monolith
yeah thats what i thought
north wharf
should be 80 to starsurge
drifting burrow
whos performing better in arenas rn, feral or boom?
foggy ravine
There are more boonies than ferals 2200+ currently
sick monolith
and if you like having fun boomkin rogue is a blast
north wharf
depends on if you have friends and what they want to play!
sick monolith
oh right yeah facts incarn is 90% with boat
yeah dude all i'm saying is the little bit of crit feels redundant you know?
stable otter
i still think itโs worse
starlord that is
the meta is popping cooldowns
like everyone does shit damage outside of their cooldowns
so anything that empowers a cd helps
proven hollow
Worth going resto right now?
north wharf
here's another thing I consider: incarn puts you right into moonkin form from another form, while you need to swap if you CA outside of form
so you can incarn --> convoke from stealth
as a cat
stable otter
theres a gcd in the middle
wdym
stable otter
yeah you can pop incarn from cat
north wharf
incarn ---> convoke without gcd, and from cat
north wharf
yeah but I'm sayign another benefit of incarn OVER CA
foggy ravine
Personally I prefer the haste for the 1.3/1.4s clones
north wharf
you're kyrian though, we were talking about convoke boomies
stable otter
yeah exactly
for kyrian starlord def better
but i think incarn is def the way to go for nf
foggy ravine
Ya even when I was NF I still preferred it tbh
stable otter
i mean 1.3 second clone is nice but that 10% + insta shift could be the diff between a kill or not in arena
i think starlord has more applications in rbgs
north wharf
funny - I'm talking about rbgs - I've snuck up on FCs or 1v1 at nodes just with incarn convoke
this is at 2100 mmr; it probably doesnt work as well at higher
spice pilot
for 3v3 build, convoke/boat, is it vers>haste>mastery>crit?
sick monolith
i think its haste = mastery
spice pilot
okie
stable otter
nah itโs mastery>haste
haste doesnโt matter during convoke
cause it all just casts
sick monolith
yeah mastery is def a good stat
north wharf
get enough haste so your clones don't feel like they take forever
spice pilot
ok
vagrant plume
hey im very new and im sorry if this is a stupid question
are prismatic sockets on pvp gear rare?
I got some in my great vault
foggy ravine
ye I haven't gotten any sockets on any of my gear from the vault yet
and cba with the maw grind for sockets
teal hinge
@vagrant plume if it's something you can't socket then yes I'd say it's worth
green valve
How does the swiftmend conduit work with the swiftmend leggo?
Does it still pick a hot to base off?
teal hinge
Maybe not so worth then since you can socket if there was a better piece
vagrant plume
Oh okay for sure, I already have that piece and the piece with the socket was Crit instead of Mastery
I didn't know there was pieces u could socket yourself
teal hinge
Looks right
vagrant plume
Jeeeeeez thats a lot
foggy ravine
ya and you gotta be exalted with venari lol
teal hinge
You can do it in about a month or so? Starting from scratch doing it everyday
vagrant plume
Yeah this necklace is vers crit
instead of vers mastery anyways
but thats a lot of time for a socket too... hmm
i might just keep it for a boomie set
teal hinge
Crit meh for boom
vagrant plume
Oh then it might just be useless for me
teal hinge
Lol
vagrant plume
well thanks to all of u that explained it to me
im really new to this game and it helped a lot
teal hinge
I believe crit good for kitty though
junior plover
Crit is decent for kitty
wary thicket
is night fae dead for balance?
junior plover
no more than it was pre nerf
kyrian was better and still is better
convoke is still fine
as it was
foggy ravine
that is now
echo crescent
which spec get it?
this is discrimination T_T
i don't have it as feral
no the old one was beter
no more restealth by rouges
foggy ravine
classic faerie fire mmmmm
echo crescent
foggy ravine
I think only balance get faerie swarm
foggy ravine
its dispellable too lol
echo crescent
for quite a bit of expansions boomies get all the love
ferals are pets
๐ฆ the real hunter is owl
eating the cat
xD
little temple
Guys is it worth going with release trink and quantum device instead of 2x pvp trinks?
seen some boomies doing it
echo crescent
do u think necro gonna be good at some point with draught and cuircle bleed build?