pvp

[stray sigil]

that guy is hot garbage lol

[clear pulsar]

Tho vethosis is a piece of work it'd be a blow to my dignity to play with a prot pala, and totally kill it to play with veth

[stray sigil]

veth just runs around do nothing

[lime light]

prot palla worst palla spec

what u guys smoking

[stray sigil]

is willy the only one doing dam?

[clear pulsar]

You'd like veth

You're both a lot like one another

[stray sigil]

cuz thats usually how veth plays

[ruby walrus]

Honestly I wish they would just give us all the spells/pvp talents from each affinity, but just like 20% less effective or something. Would at least give us some utility since idk how you even fix our healing

Like if you pick balance you get all moonkin spells

[clear pulsar]

?????

Ok now you're full of CAPPP

Rdru utility is insane

What spell do you think balance affinity is missing?

Literally only starfall

[lime light]

bear form

[ruby walrus]

Compared to any of the the other top 3 healers?

[clear pulsar]

Yes

Rdru has an insane utility toolkit idk what you're on about

[ruby walrus]

What? R shaman, Hpally, and Disc beat us in every aspect as far as utility goes lol

What cd’s even match theirs

[stray sigil]

?

[clear pulsar]

Healing cd isn't utility

What?

[stray sigil]

utility == cds

/

thats not it

[ruby walrus]

Ahhh sry English isn’t my first language so maybe I’m using the word wrong

[stray sigil]

clone root hib vortex maim/incap

[clear pulsar]

Spammable root > root totem with cd
Spammable cyclone > hex with cd (tho pvp talent makes it spammable too, cyclone is still a better spell)
Bash > cap totem that can be killed
Vortex > shaman has nothing like it
Grounding and shear are great tools for rsham
But then resto can have either incap roar or typhoon or maim as well
Rsham has purge, rdru has thorns and way better survivability

[stray sigil]

bash

[clear pulsar]

Disc and hpal aren't even worth discussing as far as utility

Compared to rdru

[lime light]

Dont talk with Fuji, he is a kind of kid, that gets your breakfast in school, and eats a sasuge from it, and leave u with bread and butter

[tardy hare]

rofl

[clear pulsar]

Dash / stampeding roar / wild charge, mobility coutns as utility too right?

[stray sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-fu-fiesta-guy-slavs-gif-5434524

[lime light]

[clear pulsar]

Damn stop doxxing tianton bro @stray sigil

[stray sigil]

i have it saved on my phone

it is too good

i bet he does look like that

[lime light]

Ruski bass

[stray sigil]

drunk ruski

[clear pulsar]

I wish it wasn't so good

[lime light]

In goggle

[clear pulsar]

I hate giving you props

But that is terrific

[lime light]

So u can listen also

[stray sigil]

never listening to ruski musik

[lime light]

[stray sigil]

[bleak dune]

Any gamers here for a moment to give me a few tips

just addon stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwLWMULyf4s <--- whats this chap using to see his enemies hp etc like raid frames

they look nice

all the information

[haughty nova]

You mean Gladius?

[bleak dune]

i have no idea

[haughty nova]

There's a text on top "Gladius anchor..."

If those are the frames you mean, that's Gladius

Pretty handy

sArena also very popular

[haughty nova]

yeah Gladius then

[bleak dune]

safe mate thanks

[junior sable]

BoAT or Dreambinder for balance druid 2v2 with Rshaman?

[honest niche]

What PvP Talent other than Leader of the Pack and Ferocious wound are ferals taking in rbgs?

[clear pulsar]

Thorns can do a lot of damage

Especially in maps/roles where you aren't teamfighting so it doesn't get spam purged

[honest niche]

I was thinking that for the increased dueling power

[clear pulsar]

Otherwise I'd take savage momentum

If you can land kicks on cd it's a significant gain for damage, but mostly you get SI on a really short cd as well

[stray sigil]

take thorns is ur on sitting duty

or u ghosting ninjaing a lot

for 1v1s

[tulip falcon]

i just take my usual shit

pack, thorns, fw

then run brs and bloodtalons

i tried primal wrath with apex but wasnt worth

[honest niche]

I'm finding feral frenzy to be really good in pvp over BT

[tulip falcon]

i mean its the standard thing people use

[honest niche]

Low HP burst meta FF fits in nicely

[tulip falcon]

bt is viable also though

i use bt because i'm liking it with apex a lot

keeping up some rips and getting hella procs

[misty horizon]

can you get renown from arena skirms?

[stray sigil]

bt more fun

no more ff nonesense

[chrome panther]

rdruid isn't even being used in mythic

it needs a flat % buff at this point

literally nothing but disc/rsham/hpal

[loud vault]

What is the best resto legendary for 3s?

[chrome panther]

verdant

[loud vault]

ok ty

[livid lava]

2x pvp trinkets or 1 + bell?

[burnt narwhal]

is bell really that good that it's better than +40% Versatility?

[chrome panther]

bell is pretty absurd.

[blissful belfry]

I wonder the same. I guess it depwnds on how much vers u have

Im not good enough in sims to compare 40% vers bonus to bell

[chrome panther]

at 197ilvl it gives 680 mast rating

[burnt narwhal]

but 9s of 680 vs 100% of time +40% vers

[candid moth]

I forgot to equip my pvp trinkets last game in 3v3 on 2.1 and had bell equipped. Hit that fkin WW for 20k surges

he didnt see that coming

[blissful belfry]

680 mastery is like, 20% mastery? 30% even? I guess in incarn bell is better than anythibg

[chrome panther]

do you want stronger goes every minute30 or more overall

[candid moth]

it gives me 20% mastery

so 40% increase during incarn on SS

[chrome panther]

you are dropping the flat int from onuse trinket though

[blissful belfry]

Ya

[burnt narwhal]

someone who's good at sim gotta do this for us

[blissful belfry]

@wooden loom u the simmaster! tell us how to sim the 40% vers bonus in pvp from trinket and compare it to bell

[candid moth]

I mean, with 30% versa its 12% flat dmg

[wooden loom]

what

why would you even try to sim pvp

[south night]

what % i need before flying up in necrotic again? 🙂

[wooden loom]

may as well try to sim classic

[candid moth]

it will overall be the better choice to take the pvp trinket bonus without a doubt

its 12% flat dmg and heal. The bell is just for big SS within Incarn

[blissful belfry]

we wanna know how much dmg the vers gives compared to bell in burst window

[burnt narwhal]

yeah like if the fight is 30-60s, worth it for the 9s crazy burst? or full time sustain vers

[blissful belfry]

i hadnt thought about using bell before, but with convoke boat set up. I find myself being able to kill people ONLY in my convoke window. so might as well put even mroe of my eggs in taht same basket and bell it off the charts

[vagrant coral]

what's this BELL

[junior plover]

went 24-23 today

lost 30 rating

equal mmr partner

thanks game

[vagrant coral]

[junior plover]

[vagrant coral]

[blissful belfry]

the trick is to win more game than you lose

[tardy hare]

truth

like

only win

dont lose

[safe heart]

Thats how I lose like 150 rating in a night lol
"No worries man , let's sync up over the first few"
Then 10 games later were like 1-9 lol

You get these low mmr matches and it just tanks

-17

[blissful jackal]

What do we do as resto when we face rogue & mage?

[blissful belfry]

pre-bear kidney, bark the open, incap roar on your first available gcd.

frenzied regen and try to kite

while asking for peel

when its on you they go

[blazing totem]

I suppose I have to bite the bullet and buy vers rings to get into rbg groups now?

seems like the vers requirements are shooting up

[crude sand]

Guys what talents do you run as a feral in rbgs

[blazing totem]

to get into groups

[tardy hare]

same as always

[crude sand]

resto or guardian affinity?

[tulip falcon]

resto aff can be good on some maps

flag maps get a fat vortex going

[urban stone]

wat conduits do yall run in rbgs?

boomy

as nf

[chrome panther]

fury/conflux until we unlock burrs

well-honed always

[urban stone]

ty

[keen vault]

any changes to legos for RBGs boomy?

[junior plover]

🤡

Don't hate the player hate the game

[blissful belfry]

It is true tho, breaking out of 1900 is achievable by anything

[junior plover]

Yeah

I'm posting this because

look at points of each comment

just the wow arena subreddit being reddit

"NOOO I WAS 2.4k IN BFA AND NOW IM 1500 BECAUSE RETS CAN SELF HEAL >:("

[chrome panther]

i mean

play hpal at 1900

then play resto druid at 1900

🤷

[junior plover]

I mean obviously

but to disagree with a statement that if you cant break 1900

its not blizzard's fault

[chrome panther]

its not fair to just disregard game-balance and go lolguessurbad

[junior plover]

Hpals are obviously too strong and mages are obviously too strong

[chrome panther]

sure any class/spec can break 1900, some have a much easier time doing it

[junior plover]

the comment chain was actually talking about

virtually half the specs

[chrome panther]

demo lock vs fire mage for example lul

[junior plover]

I'd say if you swap from a semi viable spec to a meta spec

assuming you play equally good

you'll jump maybe 100 rating

unless youre literally 2.8k

and cant take your survi hunter any higher

[chrome panther]

idk

my hpal cruised to 2k at 200 ilvl

rdruid was actually a nightmare

[junior plover]

2s or 3s?

[chrome panther]

3s

[junior plover]

Huh

Idk maybe I should level my mage and see how fast I can hit 2.4k then

[chrome panther]

9.8% nerf tomm

gl

[junior plover]

monk it is

[chrome panther]

[junior plover]

Monk is like kyrian feral

[chrome panther]

hope a feral kills u in 3 bites

[junior plover]

could be fun

But what fun is it to hit 2.4k on some non cat spec

pff

[chrome panther]

fotm rerollers should be shot

[junior plover]

if I'm not cat glad i dont wanna be glad

[chrome panther]

IN A VIDEO GAME

[blissful belfry]

yes

shoot them down. Roll over the body with a truck, shoot em again

[tepid spoke]

so all top pvpers should be shot?

[junior plover]

Theyre fine

[rich crag]

do some of you take primal wrath in bgs since you can't spam swipe in bear form if you take brs ?

[junior plover]

I think rerolling if youre a 1600 player

is a bit of a stretch

but you do you

ofc if youre competing vs the best in the world you need any edge you can get

[blissful belfry]

Shooooooot!

[tardy hare]

Its fine i shot myself already when rerolling

Don't need to shoot me anymore

[tepid spoke]

everything ok at home?

[kindred galleon]

Yeah i just bonded with my bf

He got 20% and i got 20% off

After sippin bottles ofc

Usually when i bond with my selfie i only get 15% off so it was nice with a change

[clear pulsar]

Bonding with someone else is more complex of an interaction than just double 20% buffs

[kindred galleon]

Oh i was joking i always Bond with myself

[rich crag]

gotta love going into a BG having 29k health and being on a team with all under 30k and everyone on the other team with 35k+ lol.... and most of em emote spamming champions.

[tepid spoke]

aaaaah fresh meat

for my 30k surges

[kindred galleon]

Hahah

[rich crag]

It's fine 2 days ago I had 23k so there's progress

[kindred galleon]

Rog 25k jumping you and you just beaform him down as Balance

[tepid spoke]

50k health in bear form

poor rogue

[clear pulsar]

Bro barkskin leggo is insanity

[stray sigil]

disgusting tank abuser

[tepid spoke]

bark lego with bark conduit?

[clear pulsar]

Legit survive 1v2 for soooo long between first barkskin, fr, well honed, renewal, fr again, 2nd barkskin, etc

Bark conduit is pretty pointless

[stray sigil]

why survive bro

just

[clear pulsar]

Like 8 seconds off on the cd meeeh

[rich crag]

@clear pulsar Gonna probably take it and try it hope they dont nerf it

[stray sigil]

1 tap them

then u dont need the skin lego

u noob

[clear pulsar]

I cant anymore they nerfed convoke

[stray sigil]

bt curio kyrian bro

[clear pulsar]

Bro I have 0 faith in this bt curio shit

[stray sigil]

???

it actually feels so good lol

like no cap

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

???

[junior plover]

BT

[stray sigil]

dude i been playing that shit for a week and a half

shit is pumping

[clear pulsar]

Yeah but u play with a tank player

Soooo

[junior plover]

U wanna know an even better spec

Curio FF

[clear pulsar]

I dont buy it

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

i play with a surv hunter

and i win games

with bt curio

[junior plover]

What rating

[clear pulsar]

Yeah willy counts as a tank player now

[stray sigil]

2800 mmr atm

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

wilyl is sus

[junior plover]

Why not FF tho

[stray sigil]

i will give u that

[junior plover]

Ff slaps

[stray sigil]

hes def a giggler

didnt like ff last expac

[clear pulsar]

'Win games' guy tanked 200 rating in a week playing meme shit and wants to paint it as a good thing

[stray sigil]

dont like it this expac

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

na i tanked playing ff

havent tanked playing curio bt

[junior plover]

I'm all for trying curio symmetry is super overrated tbh

[stray sigil]

its all math

[clear pulsar]

Ff is goated

[junior plover]

But BT

I played bt for a week

[clear pulsar]

Yeah symm is iffy as shit

[junior plover]

I thought big bites would be cool

[stray sigil]

bt feels super ncie with curio

[junior plover]

But FF is just more damage in a go

[stray sigil]

7k dot + like 6k bite

kek

[junior plover]

And the utility is massive

[stray sigil]

ill stay over here with my massive bites

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Better than one 8k bite

[junior plover]

To be fair

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

I did bite one guy for 23k

Back when I played bt

[clear pulsar]

Bt isnt a 200% increase tho

Hello?

[junior plover]

That felt pretty good

[stray sigil]

with kyrian and tf

[junior plover]

No in convokw

[stray sigil]

u get 20k all the time lol

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

my base bites are like 11k

[edgy shale]

stop taking about kyrian+bt bites ur making me jealous

[oak canyon]

god im so close to switching to kyrian

[junior plover]

Convoke crits in niya with bt

Go over 20k

[stray sigil]

convoke with bt is kidna nutty too

[clear pulsar]

You know issue with cat eye is the slots u can craft it

[junior plover]

Ye that's why I went bt in the first place

But I had no pressure

[stray sigil]

eh its not that bad

[junior plover]

Outside of Convoke

[stray sigil]

means u get 2 vers mas rings

[clear pulsar]

Lose like 2% vers tho

[stray sigil]

ud get more mas overall

[edgy shale]

u lose kinda a lot of main stat tho

[junior plover]

not having a pve vers mastery

[stray sigil]

its not that much

from a 226 helm to like a 235

its what

8 agi ?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah that dont matter

[junior plover]

But it's 235 helm vs 235 ring

[oak canyon]

do ppl take dreamweaver anymore after 2 potency niya in 3's

[stray sigil]

ya im saying u dont lose much agi

[junior plover]

Feral?

[stray sigil]

doesnt matter

[edgy shale]

203 to 220 helm is 11 agility just baesd on wats sitting in my inventory

[junior plover]

Snupy plays seed still

[edgy shale]

so yea prob around 10 agility

[stray sigil]

10 agi is so miniscule

means nothing

[edgy shale]

yeah i guess ur right that's less than an augment rune lol

[stray sigil]

u get more mastery

with curion on ring

[junior plover]

Why can't we just have a leggo that makes our bites slap for 20% more

[clear pulsar]

Podtendwr abusers need to eat coal

[stray sigil]

prob equals itself out

[clear pulsar]

Niya is goated

[junior plover]

Nah it's not about pod

Double endurance

Fuckin slaps

[stray sigil]

just be kyrian

[junior plover]

But i love niga

[stray sigil]

double endu

[junior plover]

Niya

[stray sigil]

double pot

[junior plover]

Fuck

[stray sigil]

pog

[clear pulsar]

U can play double endu niya

[edgy shale]

ya, as of this week

[clear pulsar]

I do

[junior plover]

Ye but

Then you might as well play pod

[stray sigil]

its legit 6 agi from 226 helm to 235 btw

[clear pulsar]

Conflux grove is so much convoke dam

Nah grove invigoration is >>>> any potency

[junior plover]

TfB conflux 2x endu pod is the same damage

As niya 1x potency

Well

[clear pulsar]

Not even close

[junior plover]

Unless you don't run tfb

[clear pulsar]

Grove invigoration is absurd

[junior plover]

But if you don't what the fuck are you doing

Grove invi is worth about a conflux

Ofc it stays after

Which is nice

[clear pulsar]

It's a 2 to 3% constant dmg buff

[stray sigil]

its way less than conflux lol

[clear pulsar]

On top of a conflux

Its not @stray sigil youre stupid

[junior plover]

It's actually about 20%

[stray sigil]

grove isnt a 20% dmg increase

[junior plover]

It's absurd

[stray sigil]

i dont think

its closer to liek

14-15 isnt it

[junior plover]

Or does Mastery have diminishing returns?

Around 50%

[clear pulsar]

Well u have like 2 or 3 stacks all the time so its around 23% mastery.

[junior plover]

Yee then it should be 20%

[clear pulsar]

When u use convoke

[clear pulsar]

Stat dr is only from gear

[junior plover]

So u trade TfB for Grove

Lose 5% damage outside of Convoke

And pod

[clear pulsar]

You dont do

Grove always has like 2 stacks up constantly

[junior plover]

Yee but TfB is like 8%

[stray sigil]

stacks is 1% lol

[junior plover]

Well bite damage anyway

[edgy shale]

ur getting 4 bleeds on sum1? pepega

[junior plover]

FF

[stray sigil]

on ur go u will have 4 bleeds

[clear pulsar]

Dont u play bt?

[junior plover]

Okay i take it back

[clear pulsar]

Fuji out here soooo full of shit

[stray sigil]

for him

[clear pulsar]

Just sdfu

[stray sigil]

not me

[junior plover]

2x endu niya is alright

[edgy shale]

loool

[stray sigil]

lol

[edgy shale]

"4 bleeds w/ bt btw"

[stray sigil]

this is nonesense convoke talk

[junior plover]

But I'd still play dream for defense

[clear pulsar]

Pod is ridiculous and you should delete ur feral if u abuse pod

[junior plover]

I don't abuse pod pod is like a shittier cheat death

[stray sigil]

U PLAYA TANK LEGO

TALK ABOUT POD BEING CANCER

BROTHER

[edgy shale]

hmm yea what's worse now or pod...

[junior plover]

I play dream maybe once every 10 games anyway

[clear pulsar]

But only ironically

[stray sigil]

hmm hmm SURE

[clear pulsar]

It's all in protest

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

ur sweating for ur 1st glad

dopnt lie to me

u lil shit

[clear pulsar]

Until blizz gives a bite leggo

Hah i havent played 3s in like 3 weeks

Like 150 games total this season

[junior plover]

Give us a lego that lets us allocate an another talent in last row

[clear pulsar]

Ff baseline and give old BT as a talent competing with current BT

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

GOAT SHIT ONLY

[stray sigil]

bring back vigil

[junior plover]

Buff kitty upvotes to the left

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

No tbh feral in pvp right now is almost perfect

I love my kitty

[stray sigil]

wtrf

[junior plover]

I wish it would keep playing like this forever

[clear pulsar]

Buff adaptive swarm and make LI scale with mastery

[stray sigil]

buff bleeds

200% buff

nerf bite

[junior plover]

I also wish necro was viable in pvp ye

But i like my bite spec

[clear pulsar]

Make feral mastery buff dot for each other dot u have up like reverse resto

Then make LI and Swarm count for it

[junior plover]

Give legendary that doubles dot damage but halves bite damage

Buff necro slightly

[clear pulsar]

Yes actually this

[stray sigil]

double dot dmg isnt enough lol

would still be worthless

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Nah imagine

[chrome panther]

TRIPLE DOT DMG

[clear pulsar]

It ticks for what, 700 now

[stray sigil]

legit needs a 200% buff

for it to matter

[junior plover]

You could play that in a melee cleave

Insane pressure

[clear pulsar]

So 1500 each, 3 dots, buffed by Swarm up to 2k ticks each dot

[junior plover]

I've played vs draught in 2s

You actually tick

[stray sigil]

only rip hits for 600

[junior plover]

For a shit tone

[stray sigil]

thrash is like 200

[clear pulsar]

Thrash is irrelevant

[stray sigil]

and rake is a bit less than rip

[junior plover]

Add LI

[stray sigil]

howd u get 1500 x3

[clear pulsar]

Moonfire?

[junior plover]

We can toy with numbers but yeah

[chrome panther]

can we buff starfall/moonfire/sunfire so i can abuse lsd2 again

[junior plover]

Would be nice if they enabled different playstyles like that

But kitty too underplayed

Company too small

[chrome panther]

truely

indie devs

only 3 people assigned to pvp

[junior plover]

And no balance team

Very surprised we actually got a balance patch on the way

And a good one at that

I guess the mage nerfs are good anyway

[chrome panther]

ww untouched and ret rng 1shot untouched

YIKES

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil increase that moonfire by my 31% mastery, maybe even savage roar for another 10% on mf and rake.

[junior plover]

Meh I think ret is the only spec i roll over every time

And monk is also super easy

So I might be biased

[chrome panther]

its just fucking hilarious they gave a conduit to let ret multistrike

56% of the time you get chunked by 4 judgments in 1 global

ok

[junior plover]

Ye it's unhealthy

I think ret power level wise

Is fine

But like boomie convoke

[chrome panther]

or auto attacks hitting for 7k cuz reckoning is ok

[junior plover]

Just too fucking weird

[chrome panther]

YEAH LEMME JUST KICK JUDGMENTS REAL QUICK

[primal bane]

our offense conduits are like

[junior plover]

Kitty conduits slap

Both defense and offense

[primal bane]

"whenever you enter eclipse, gain 1% damage boost on moonfire initial hit"

[junior plover]

Even get bash cd on finesse

[primal bane]

idk how ret managed to get RNG oneshot conduit

[chrome panther]

candy on the stick

[junior plover]

I fear the day when they take away guardian conduits from us

[chrome panther]

so some redacteds actually play the spec

[primal bane]

i probably lived 50 lives due to frenzy regen conduit

[junior plover]

Feral would literally die as a spec

Without Well Honed Instincts

[stray sigil]

if thye do that

every druiud spec

kinda sucks lol

[junior plover]

Yep

[stray sigil]

theyd have to buff skin

[junior plover]

I fear that they might fix the legendaries going offspec

[stray sigil]

or give us longer wall

[junior plover]

Cuz ret abuse

And while they do that

They just kill conduits too

[stray sigil]

leggo being spec limited is fine

means less cancer shit

[junior plover]

They literally say

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar will cry though

[clear pulsar]

Yeah longer SI or something like the guardian azerite that made mangle extend FR by 1 more tick or something

[junior plover]

Requires Protection

On them

Or Guardian

[stray sigil]

i still dont konw why wall is 6s duration

3min cd

should be 10s duration

but w.e

[junior plover]

Idk feral is really tanky right now

But it's only because of the conduit

Wall is fine

[clear pulsar]

Fuji praises barkskin leggo now slanders it

[junior plover]

I just don't see it but I don't play enough 3s

In 2s i can wipe my ass with it

[clear pulsar]

It's just that the feral leggos are dogshit bro

So like

Why not

[junior plover]

Idk Kyrian symmetry

[stray sigil]

tbf skin lego

[junior plover]

Kinda poggers

[chrome panther]

isnt symm pretty nuts

[stray sigil]

is prob the elast cancer one

cuz u have to actually think

[junior plover]

But in NF i don't feel symm

[stray sigil]

ret dont have to think

[junior plover]

Ye

But tbf

Their leggo they abuse

Is literally well honed instincts

[stray sigil]

isnt it 50% dr

when they drop below 40

or something

[junior plover]

Something like that

[stray sigil]

its much better than whi

[junior plover]

It's pretty short rho

[stray sigil]

czu they have lay on hands every 3 hp

[junior plover]

Oh NVM

It's

4s duration

It's literally our wall

Idk i don't think I got a single kill off symmetry in the last 200 games

Shit's wack

And having to Maim before TF

Annoying

Lemme macro my berserk to TF

Tf to berserk*

[stray sigil]

sym is shit

yes

[primal bane]

dont say that shit i crafted symmetry

[junior plover]

It's still bis

[primal bane]

best in shit

[junior plover]

Kek

[stray sigil]

literally only impactu during ur 3min go

[clear pulsar]

There is no legendary in the game that can help you cope dont stress it bud

[junior plover]

I mean no the 6 combo points every 30s

[chrome panther]

HAH

[junior plover]

It adds up

But less than curio

[primal bane]

im very abled anyways

[junior plover]

I think the max energy from curio

[tepid spoke]

abled

[junior plover]

Is probably more go damage

Than symm

[stray sigil]

6 cp every 30 ?

u mean 4?

[primal bane]

its a nice comfort choice but like

[clear pulsar]

Apex is bis cmm

[junior plover]

Ye 4 : (

[primal bane]

that sounds more like meter padding than being truly useful

[junior plover]

Stupid brain

Apex is actually funny

[stray sigil]

curio is kinda nice in zerk too

[haughty compass]

Nothing helps kill paladins in 2s anyway, use whatever you want

[junior plover]

Nah

[stray sigil]

u will get about as many bites as you would with sym

but slower

[clear pulsar]

Apex with BT you can just hold the proc for a bit and trigger 2 new stacks

[junior plover]

Curio would be sweet for palas in 2s

[clear pulsar]

Then Bash Bite Bite

[junior plover]

So you can have gos more often

Pala is cancer but I got to like a 50% wr vs them at this point

[stray sigil]

i think curio vs the damp shit in 2s

[junior plover]

In 2s

[stray sigil]

is pretty nice

[junior plover]

Yep

Symmetry only matters in

Double caster

And rogue mage

More or less

[clear pulsar]

Nah vs rogue mage in 2s you dont play symmetry

You play NOW

[junior plover]

True actually

[clear pulsar]

LEGENDARY

[rich crag]

can apex store stacks i dont think so ?

[junior plover]

But symm ain't bad to kill rogue in 1 stun

It can't

[stray sigil]

i will craft now eventually

but ill wait till i have 5k ash

[junior plover]

I'd it profs at the right time apex is really funny in pvp

You can delete someone

From 30k

But it never procs when you need it

0.5 procs every minute

[clear pulsar]

I'll wait for 5k ash before I craft cat eye too, I have it on horde druid but that's necro so I play draught/circle

[primal bane]

shit did EU have bell 2 days ago?

[stray sigil]

atleast curio cost

[junior plover]

Wtf is bell

[stray sigil]

fuckall to make

cuz its o nring

[primal bane]

BiS trinket for pve

[clear pulsar]

Tf you mean ring is as expensive as leather armor on my server

[junior plover]

Puke

[ruby walrus]

I’m 2300 rated in rbg’s but my group isn’t running tonight if I farm honor from 3’s will that count for my chest?

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

rank 4 is less than r2 leather on mine lol

[junior plover]

Yes

[ruby walrus]

Sweeeeet ty

[junior plover]

As long as you win 1

At 2300

[stray sigil]

u just need 1 win then farm in w.e content u want

[junior plover]

That is

@ruby walrus

[tepid spoke]

you can also sit rating

for all eternity

[ruby walrus]

Ahhhh nice, then I gotta get a win rq lol

[tepid spoke]

and just get the chest options then upgrade them

[junior plover]

^

If you have leftover honor

Just grind anything above 1k

[clear pulsar]

Yeah you dont need the win if you dont mind spending more honor

[junior plover]

For honor

[clear pulsar]

Since you do rbgs I imaigne you are at honor cap all the time

[junior plover]

I like how at night this place turns into #feral

[ruby walrus]

Yeah I only have 3 upgrades rn so that actually might be a good idea, I can do normals to learn boomy rn and won’t risk rating

[junior plover]

Imagine unironically running boomie in arenas

[small storm]

daily reminder i suck at arena

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

its ok mike

just run with ur good friend

getrow

the fat pos

[small storm]

im actually hardstuck 1800

dude

[chrome panther]

Rdruids on suicide watch and boomies already chillin on r1 titles

[junior plover]

Which spec

[primal bane]

feral are all 2s casual degens

playing 3s feral be like

"trust me bro this is good comp"

[small storm]

we might be playing tonight.... his new char.... its a prot pally

:/

[junior plover]

Imagine thinking FMP doesn't slap

[stray sigil]

get out of my server

[small storm]

LOL

[junior plover]

[primal bane]

imagine trying to tell one of the 20 RMP pugs that u can use a feral instead

[junior plover]

Imagine pugging

[stray sigil]

i do think fmp is better than rmp

[junior plover]

Same

[stray sigil]

if both hpal version

[junior plover]

But I'm f

[small storm]

right now i think so

[junior plover]

So I'm biased

Actually Convoke feral in fmp

Is so absurd

[primal bane]

btw why did prot pally ever become a thing in pvp

[junior plover]

You guys don't understand

[small storm]

i’m for sure less scared of rmp, really any comp im walking into rmp with a dub

[stray sigil]

rogue is just a liability i think this meta

can just get swapped to

[ruby walrus]

Resto is bad in rbgs but I mean up till like 2100 they are completely viable, once people learn too coordinate purges and shit it’s trash

[stray sigil]

and die insta

[primal bane]

im literally always winning vs RMP

[clear pulsar]

64k for 235 shoulders, 44k for 235 ring on my server @stray sigil not that different

[stray sigil]

feral less so

[junior plover]

I can kill rogue at any point if no trinket

[stray sigil]

44k for ring

i paid

[junior plover]

Often through heals

[stray sigil]

88k

feelsbamdna

[junior plover]

It's dumb

[small storm]

u think dreamweaver?

[clear pulsar]

Stop playing with getrow bro goddammit

[primal bane]

they dont realise their priest is getting solo convoked and has literlaly nothing to do about it

[junior plover]

All the good RMPs

Are 2800 rating

So it's hard to lose to them at 2k and below

[primal bane]

yeah but like

[junior plover]

They just can't click buttons

[primal bane]

its such an insanely popular choice

half my pugs are RMPs

[junior plover]

Yepp

It's also the worst thing to pug

[primal bane]

so most of them are really bad

[junior plover]

Literally

[primal bane]

IKR LMAO

[junior plover]

The worst pug comp in the game

[primal bane]

i dont get why its so popular when its like

[ruby walrus]

Ooh BTW next week is BG week, honor farming is gonna be cake

[primal bane]

such an important timing comp

[junior plover]

And it makes up half of lfg

[primal bane]

healer gets even one good cooldown in beetween CCs

andur shit is over

[junior plover]

Yee I'm finally rolling my alt next week

Maybe 2nd druid

[primal bane]

why would you do a second alt

just to be a fucking druid

[junior plover]

Kyrian

[rigid linden]

i loved cat eye on beta

[primal bane]

was about inb4 that

[rigid linden]

but ive won games

[junior plover]

I wanna play Convoke fmp

[rigid linden]

from zerk symm

[junior plover]

And Kyrian jungle

Is that too much to ask

[primal bane]

im going ele shaman i like having 1 minute cooldown on my 1 shot burst

[ruby walrus]

Oh god I hope that Kyrian doesn’t become meta

[primal bane]

it will now

[junior plover]

It already is meta

[rigid linden]

kyrian is the meta

[solemn yoke]

Niya do u play symm with nf?

[ruby walrus]

That suuuuckd damn

[primal bane]

beetween pvp being the best gearing method and convoke getting hit, kyrian will be more popular

[junior plover]

But Convoke is good enough

Until 3k rating

[rigid linden]

good @ 3k too

[junior plover]

No but seriously all the EU bois

Are sleeping on Convoke fmp

I'm tellin you

[clear pulsar]

Formy these people are soooo CAP bro they keep acting like Convoke isn't good enough for them cuz it gets stopped @rigid linden

[stray sigil]

na i think kyrian better for fmp tbh

[rigid linden]

wrong

[clear pulsar]

Fuji is the worst of the bunch he plays fucking cat-eye curio bro

[stray sigil]

shut up boomers

[junior plover]

Fmp has guaranteed full cc goes for 4+ sec

[stray sigil]

kyrian lines up with combust

almost perfectly

[junior plover]

No reason not to be a convoki boi

[stray sigil]

0 chance convoke is better

[primal bane]

how is a setup comp that relies on very heavy burst once in a while better with a more consistent ability

[rigid linden]

why would u use combust and kyrian on the same go

combust is guaranteed kill

[ruby walrus]

I mean my groups have been aura mastery convoking for teamfights, so I’m hoping that it’s still good for RBG’s atleast

[rigid linden]

this guy doesnt fmp

[clear pulsar]

Combustion gets all the overreacting cds out the way bro then you just Convoke someone big time

[junior plover]

Put your mage on sheep duty

U kill the target alone

[stray sigil]

i mean kyrian is 1min cd

can just shove it

[clear pulsar]

Like you just multi-stun people like a budget sub rogue

[junior plover]

No tbh i do think Kyrian is super good in fmp

[stray sigil]

idk why itd be bad to shove it with combust lol

[clear pulsar]

Then you convoke someone when they spend all trinkets and defensives on combustions

[primal bane]

do BGs before lvl 50 have scaling?

[junior plover]

But i do think Convoke is at least as good in specifically fmp

Any other comp

[primal bane]

do they just let lvl 20s and 45 actually fight each other fair and sqaure?

[junior plover]

Convoke is useless

[rigid linden]

i mean

ive jungled

with p1 and ardvark at 2.9

it still wins games

[junior plover]

Wouldn't you rather

Be Kyrian tho

[stray sigil]

formy a boomer

he plays roar

[junior plover]

Like I get it you can find Convoke in jungle

But it's so much work

Vs just biting some bitches

[stray sigil]

u can do convokes in all comps its not a good arugment for it lol

convoke just wins u games u should win

sometimes

which is also why i dislike it

[primal bane]

literally at any point youre not being focused and they dont have 2 casters

[junior plover]

I get your point but also

[primal bane]

convoke has a very high chance to kill

as long as u manage to stun the melee

[junior plover]

I think Convoke wins many games where you'd be short

With kyrian

If you can guarantee the full cc

[stray sigil]

ya im saying

even if u fuck up some gos with convoke

it doesnt matter cuz u always have that shit in ur back pocket

u can lowkey play much worse than ur opponent

and shove it and it will win u games

[lean zinc]

highkey tbh

[junior plover]

Somewhat agree

[stray sigil]

if u play much worse with kyrian

u will not win games

[junior plover]

But also

If you don't set up cc perfectly

Convoke is poop

[clear pulsar]

This is a copout yo usound like jah

LMAO

[junior plover]

While Kyrian can still reach

[stray sigil]

i mean

[junior plover]

Through someone out of cc

[stray sigil]

is it wrong though ?

[clear pulsar]

Jah trying to frame people that beat him as being worse cuz they are 'cheesing'

[stray sigil]

ive had games like that

[clear pulsar]

It doesn't matter

It's a copout

[stray sigil]

where we get outplayed all game

[opaque quartz]

What legendary is considered best for boomie pvp?

[clear pulsar]

You play to win the game

If you lose you lose

[stray sigil]

and i just shove it

and we win

[clear pulsar]

You didn't win

And that's it

[stray sigil]

thats not my arguement lol

[opaque quartz]

circle or boat?

[junior plover]

Ye but to be fair

For your opponent to outplay you all game

Then lose to convoke

[clear pulsar]

It's like saying 'yeah you just win games with symmetry sometimes cuz you triple bite and one of them crits'

[junior plover]

Is kinda their fault

[clear pulsar]

Like, you aren't unbinding Berserk are you?

It's ridiculous

It's a ridiculous stance to take

[junior plover]

Like how do you allow a Convoke when you've been dictating tempo all game long

[stray sigil]

itsnotl ol

i maen

happened a lot to me

[opaque quartz]

circle or boat for boomie pvp

[stray sigil]

both melees on my hunter

i randomly leap to healer

convoke and he dies

did i outplay there?

[junior plover]

Somewhat

But i get you

[stray sigil]

all im trying to say

is that convoke is kinda

[junior plover]

That's actually a positioning mistake from your opponent if anything

[stray sigil]

a low effort high reward button

[opaque quartz]

circle or boat for boomie pvp

[primal bane]

thats what im saying

at any point where ur not being focused as a convoke boomie

[clear pulsar]

Convoke punishes mistakes bigger than what other buttons can

[stray sigil]

the only effort is u have to set it up

[clear pulsar]

Sure

[primal bane]

you have a convoke opener

[stray sigil]

but like

[junior plover]

Boomie is completely different thi

[stray sigil]

if ur any good

[junior plover]

Tho

[primal bane]

only exception is vs double caster

[stray sigil]

thats not hard to do at all

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

u can just shove it 1st gcd

and get a trinket with it

ull have the mas buff

and its a win trade

[junior plover]

Yeah I think the disparity between you and us is that we can't find perfect cc setups on the go because we suck too much

[clear pulsar]

How are you getting a trinket with it without triple ccing tho

[junior plover]

And if you can

[clear pulsar]

That's on the enemy team

[stray sigil]

i mean in opener

really hard

to njot have triuple cc

[opaque quartz]

circle or boat for boomie pvp?

[clear pulsar]

If you triple cc then you got a proper go and enemy traded cds

[stray sigil]

as jungle lol

[primal bane]

BOAT

[stray sigil]

i get what ur saying

not saying its wrong

im just saying its dumb that 1 button has so much agency

[clear pulsar]

I get it like some games you are behind the entire time and then convoke wins the game for no good reason

[junior plover]

I'm sure my opponents in 2s feel like that

[clear pulsar]

But that's a mistake of the enemy team mostly yeah!?

It's not idk your merit for outplaying

[junior plover]

And to be fair

[clear pulsar]

It's enemy's fault for being stupid

[stray sigil]

i mean u can force cds without convoke

[junior plover]

In 3s people trinket every second

Or they die

[stray sigil]

are they stupid cuz they are reacting to ur dmg?

like lol

id ont get ur argument here at all

u cant just sit on ur defensives

[junior plover]

So it's much easier to be in a situation where you have a guaranteed win cuz 3 people have no trinket

[stray sigil]

cuz feral has convoke

see what im saying ?

[junior plover]

Convoke also has the fear factor

Of guaranteeing

They always keep a kick

They keep that wall

Etc

[clear pulsar]

No but if you have a 25% dmg buff every minute then you force more cds too yeah!?

Like

It's just more damage

In different ways

[stray sigil]

i mean i played convoke for a while im telling u some games u dont even have to press it

[clear pulsar]

You could say the same like why do kyrian get 10% mastery and 15% flat dmg for free no global every 1 minute it's free damage so much for free

[stray sigil]

cuz dmg is super hgih

[junior plover]

Convoke harder to force cds but easier to go when no cds

Kyrian piss easy to get cds but you don't autowin after they're gone

They both have their own issues with what you have to do in the game

To enable them

[clear pulsar]

It's a pretty pointless conversation that started cuz fuji gets hurt when he loses a game he thinks he should have won

'No fair he cheesed'

Just like jah

[stray sigil]

?

i literalyl said the exact opposite

convoke is a cheese buttons that WON me games i shouldnt have won

never said anything about getting butthurt cuz i lose games lol

that wasnt my point at al

[clear pulsar]

you were complaining about it thats for sure

[blissful belfry]

I get butthurt when i convoke and cast regrowths and rejus in the first sec and a half

[stray sigil]

read again

i said i dont like i won gfames i had no reason to cuz of convoke

[blissful belfry]

I'd feel the other way around

[stray sigil]

this is from feral pov

not boomy

[blissful belfry]

i like to win without deserving it

feels like a gift

[clear pulsar]

Ok it's jah roles reversed

Much more reasonable

[stray sigil]

dont ever compare me to fucking jah bro

[haughty compass]

The mechanics of convoke are cheese, but Cooldowns win arena matches all the time

[stray sigil]

i dont fuck with that

jah is a sociopath

dont do me like that

[clear pulsar]

wins only count if it's not a win i consider cheesy
flames people in broadcast

Sounds like jah to meeeee

[stray sigil]

i did flame jah

but jah is a pos

so idgaf

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

also the other dudes i flame are people who got on call with willy

yelling n word cuz we beat them

in world of warcraft

[junior plover]

Ok but what about winning a 2v3 because that dps chased you out of LOS after your hunter died

That's what Convoke is all about

[clear pulsar]

I'm fucking with you bro

Ofc you aren't like jah

Jah actually knows how to play wow

[stray sigil]

true he does have that for himself

too bad thats the only thing hes got

that mitch vs jah vid still tilts me to this day

everytime i think about it

[chrome panther]

i miss spamming the xaryu 1v2 jah/abn video in his twitch chat endlessly back in the day

[small storm]

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's wild man these people think it's normal to talk to other human beings that way

Makes me