pvp

[lost siren]

even then they complain when I can only switch to feral

if we dont need guardian

feral isn't bad, boomkin is jsut too good

[tulip falcon]

Ye I'm playing feral most games at 2.6 now and its actually enjoyable

Tired of guardian

[lost siren]

and if you use feral, might as well run something else

[tulip falcon]

Boring

[lost siren]

yeah I hate it

I just got the boomkin legendary, thinking of doing that

just to get freelo

[silver bone]

😔 i dont understand how both guardian's and balance's rotations are just simple n very repetitive

[analog bay]

Guardian has a rotation??

[lost siren]

not every spec needs to be complex

[analog bay]

Press the button that isn't on cool down. It on cool down? Hit swipe

[tulip falcon]

I mean as guardian in RBGs you arent really sitting there and doing a pve rotation

[silver bone]

true, but after you learn balance's rotation it gives me the same kind of feeling as playing guardian

[tulip falcon]

I dont think any tank is complex in that way

[analog bay]

DH is basically the same

[tulip falcon]

If you are just doing pve rotations as an fc idk man

[analog bay]

lol I meant in pve it's basically same as bear. Press whatever isn't on cd

[silver bone]

yeah

[edgy shale]

wtf? go into their backline and pve them. thats how u play bear

[tulip falcon]

Ye just run alpha challenge

And use it on kill targets

Support class 2021

[clear pulsar]

Lakerz is talking about resto

[umbral comet]

Is there any streamer or youtuber that shows balance 2s

[lime light]

chanimal

[umbral comet]

Twitch or youtube?

[lime light]

tw

[umbral comet]

His youtube seems to be mostly aff lock?

[clear pulsar]

Lots of streams linked in pins

Lots of streamers play multiple classes

[tiny oar]

tru

@clear pulsar just feral frenzied at 4 combo points again worst feral NA possibly the world??

[bitter harness]

F

[little temple]

Does someone knows? Is the bell quest up in bastion today? (EU)

[clear pulsar]

Gotta use it on cd can't let it sit for 3 more seconds

You doing good brother

[bitter harness]

i dont see it

[little temple]

Heard someone said it was up for NA yesterday, and should be up for EU today

[bitter harness]

checked on my main to make sure, didnt see it there either

[little temple]

Hmmm wierd

[bitter harness]

thats not generally how it works

with WQs

[bitter harness]

i mean

that WQ is up but this was not the reward

nvm im thinking of a different WQ

I think that WQ was up yesterday but didn't see that reward

[little temple]

Im waiting for it every day.. was hoping to see it today

[patent idol]

cant believe

[bitter harness]

itll come

[patent idol]

they decide to nerf convoke

and 0 nerfs for

warr,monk

lol

[tiny oar]

more to come soon i HOPE??

[brave shuttle]

Resto Druid hits buffed 10% and mastery starts +10% higher here we go

[errant blaze]

Its only the beginning 🙂

[brave shuttle]

That is a joke btw

[livid wasp]

I like that pet dmg nerf, so annoying when people go for pet

[foggy ravine]

Bell was up past two days but it deepened last night

Despawned*

Or expired or whatever you want to call it

[clear pulsar]

I like to call it deepened too

[hushed apex]

is pvp scaling still a thing in pvp? is it better to use 184 or 200 vers gears over 226 raid ones?

[clear pulsar]

No

[graceful olive]

how do y'all find mates on eu servs? feels like everyone has and expects glad xp

[stable halo]

All cat skin forms are from the artifact weapon from legion right? So if I want to farm one I need to get the weapons first

[stable halo]

For me it worked making my own groups and waiting for people to queue in, and just try

I play with people who is worse than me as well, you can't expect to always have more experienced mates with you

So as long as the people is chill and wants to get better, that should work

[clear pulsar]

Right

[finite kraken]

do you guys use medallion in rbg?

[clear pulsar]

Yes!?

[stable halo]

The PvP and mage towers are the only ones you can't get anymore right??

Oh and the mythic + o guess

I feel so sad about that... Wasn't playing druid in legion 😫

[finite kraken]

double dps trinket vs medallion/embelem

[clear pulsar]

You can get the pvp ones

They're just honor lvl

So the moment you get the wep they should unlock

[stable halo]

[clear pulsar]

If you ahve the honor lvl

[haughty compass]

That’s how I feel about the mop challenge mode transmog. Amazing set. I was just starting to date my wife then, didn’t play wow.

[tulip falcon]

network through group finder which may take some time. play with people, talk to them and add anyone on btag that you like/want to play with more. you might get shit luck and find no one worth playing with for a while but it will eventually happen

[clear pulsar]

Did your wife introduce you to wow? @haughty compass

[haughty compass]

Nah, I just took a break at the time

[graceful olive]

@tulip falcon @stable halo ty

[stable halo]

So you can blame your wife for not having those mogs

[tulip falcon]

i get asked so frequently about how you get the mage tower cat

[haughty compass]

Just wasn’t playing the game lol

[tulip falcon]

they get so disappointed when i say they cant get it anymore

[turbid jolt]

is FF vs BT kinterchangeable ?

i like the BT setup with symmetry but FF to maim..

[stable halo]

Pandaria weapons and mage tower is my biggest regret in life

[tulip falcon]

pandaria weps?

[stable halo]

Oh...

[turbid jolt]

challenge mode

[tulip falcon]

the weps were wod

[stable halo]

Ye sorry

[tulip falcon]

armor sets were mop

i sort of regret not getting the wod weps i don't know why i didn't do it

[stable halo]

I was actually thinking about the sets, got mixed up

The polearm is so sick

[tulip falcon]

i got the cm set but i dont use it anymore because its just a slightly better version of the legion class hall gear now

[turbid jolt]

i prefer pants and tunic to robe so not so pahsed by the mop set

[tulip falcon]

well

i usually just find a chest that maches for robe sets

that isnt a robe

but mop set without robe looks icky unless you're tauren/troll/worgen

cos the legs have some weird gap area at the bottom

[stable halo]

Would you guys like if they introduced wod cat-human form in a sort of a glyph or skin??

I read many times people didn't like it but I think it was pretty cool

[tulip falcon]

god i HATED that

i didn't even use it

because i hated it so much

i became a bloodtalons baby in wod because of my refusal to use shrivallah

[stable halo]

I don't know.. for me is kinda cool, just like the bear form that stands in 2 feet

[tulip falcon]

like the concept was fine but it was just a worgen body with a cat form head put on it

ye the bear is fine i use that

because its actually made ok

ptsd

[stable sluice]

that cat form was sick

[tardy hare]

GIVE ME CLAWS OF SHIRVALLAH GLYPH TYTYTYTYTY

[feral scaffold]

any idea about what legos would be good for a FC guardian offspec in rbgs ?

[foggy ravine]

Anyone swap night fae to kyrian and have any regrets

[tardy hare]

i would style on kids so hard iwth that form

[tardy hare]

the incarn one

[foggy ravine]

FC is sleeper leggo

Immune to cc and w key

Gg

[stable sluice]

I went from kyrian to NF and don’t regret it, even with nerfs inc

[foggy ravine]

Oh you did the reverse swap you mad man

[stable sluice]

tho pve nerds do lose their shit when they find out u can boost their dps in raid/m+

only thing I miss about kyrian

[stable halo]

I have bee thinking that with kyrian my bites would be way more powerful but I'm so scared to swap just to not feel the difference I'm expecting

[foggy ravine]

I think night fae is better single target pve but I am pvp nerd so not sure

[tulip falcon]

i sort of wish i was kyrian but cba changing from nf

[foggy ravine]

Ya krass

[stable sluice]

Kyrian is just overall good but not as funnn

[foggy ravine]

I just feel like holding convoke for a good setup is meh

It’s nice it forces teams to hold shit for it

[tardy hare]

i mean kyrian would be nice

BUT

convoking in RBGs is

HELLA fun

[foggy ravine]

But pumping every minute would be cool

Ya rbg convoke is legit

[tardy hare]

walk up to a base

rake

[stable sluice]

I hated pickin up the orbs that dropped tho

[tardy hare]

convoke

got the base

gg

[tulip falcon]

ye feral with convoke in rbgs on objectives is pretty sweet

but gl ever landing it in a teamfight

[tardy hare]

aye

[foggy ravine]

Although kyrian boomy in rbg I feel would beat any boomy base sitting 1v1 ez clap

[tardy hare]

we dont teamfight

our team sucks

big

[tulip falcon]

ah lol

[stable halo]

I'm hitting 12k crit bites with NF, and I feel like I'm close to instadelete people on burst, would that make me kill people more often with just TF + Empowerment?

[tardy hare]

just have 7 idiots to stall enemy team

while me and my buddy do the work

[tulip falcon]

yea that works

[foggy ravine]

Empowerment just lines up so nice with cds

Foe badge beam

[stable halo]

Some convokes just seem to not do as much as you would expect

[clear pulsar]

Your bites won't be much bigger than with 16 stacks of Grove Invigoration.

[foggy ravine]

Kyrian also gives fat mastery boof

[clear pulsar]

Not so fat

175 is 10% mastery

[foggy ravine]

Ya not as fat

But it’s more frequent

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's good ofc

[foggy ravine]

Oh rip I thought it was 300

[clear pulsar]

It's nerfed in half in pvp

[junior plover]

Woke up to feral buffs

[austere thicket]

is there a website that shows PvP values for spells?

[foggy ravine]

Good to know thanks face

[clear pulsar]

@junior plover you wot?

[junior plover]

well

the tiniest buff

[austere thicket]

or addon that shows in game PvP values for buffs / spells?

[junior plover]

but feral frenzy no longer cast by convoke

[clear pulsar]

It's not a buff lol

[junior plover]

It literally is

[clear pulsar]

FF does the damage of like 2 bites

[junior plover]

It doesnt

what you care about is instant damage

[lime sparrow]

I'm a feral playing with a mm hunter in 2s. Which covenant should I go?

[junior plover]

not some shitty ass bleed

[clear pulsar]

Also I've never had a Convoke cast FF and give me less than 3 Bites

[junior plover]

but its only like 1 in 100 convokes that are affected anyway

so its w/e

just happy that THIS is the convoke "nerf" we got

[clear pulsar]

I'm 99% sure it mostly only replaces Shred

[junior plover]

alongside boomkins

[foggy ravine]

I’ve gotten FF as resto in catform convoke

[junior plover]

Im pretty sure shred and bite are both roll based

and you can roll 0 shreds

[foggy ravine]

Pretty poggas

[junior plover]

and all bites

and vice versa

[clear pulsar]

That's cap lmao

I have never in my life seen a Convoke with 2 or less Bites, or more than 6. Please show me. Anywhere anything.

[austere thicket]

convoke didnt really get nerfed, Full Moon had only like a 2% chance per convoke, so 1 in 50 uses, like if you rely on a full moon proc to win you are bad xD

[clear pulsar]

I don't think it's actually possible in the game to roll 10 bites my g

[kind swallow]

Off topic, I am in diré need of a pvp guild, emerald dream server, anyone able to help? Pm me

[pallid coral]

I can get you a log of a 7 bite

[stable halo]

What would be the equivalent of a FMoon for a cat? FF??

[pallid coral]

but htat's the most i've seen

[foggy ravine]

I thought full moon was 20%

[pallid coral]

over litterally thousands of convokes

[junior plover]

It is very statistically improbable

which is why we might not see it

[foggy ravine]

Tbh doesn’t matter anyways if you were betting on a full moon you already lost

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

would need to parse all feral logs with some python script tho

[loud wedge]

I think they just nerfed it to shut up the fucking whiners

[junior plover]

but wcl api

[clear pulsar]

Bro just sdfu with that bullshit talk

[junior plover]

is so shit

???????????

bro

flip a coin

[clear pulsar]

10 bites lmao

[junior plover]

10 times

tell me how often

you get 10 heads

i

i'll wait

[placid mirage]

Idk hopefully all full moons are replaced by starsurges at least

[clear pulsar]

'I've never seen it ofc it's very statistically improbable BUT IT EXISTS'

[foggy ravine]

Probably is cats

[loud wedge]

Replaced by revju

[foggy ravine]

Lmao

[junior plover]

No I'm saying it could exist

[foggy ravine]

Convoke all surges replaced by thrash

[junior plover]

youre saying it couldnt for whatever reason

[chrome panther]

full moon had a chance to replace any spell, not a chance to replace surge.

[clear pulsar]

Which is why I called it bullshit talk

[junior plover]

I just said FF replacing shred and not bite

[clear pulsar]

'IT COULD EXIST' doesn't mean anything

[junior plover]

you have no basis for that

literally none

[foggy ravine]

Just be honest

No one really knows how convoke works

[junior plover]

Ye

[clear pulsar]

The burden of proof is on the person claiming something exists

[vast vapor]

wtf is this talk here

[clear pulsar]

Not on me saying I've never seen it lmao

[foggy ravine]

Blizz doesn’t even know what convoke does

[junior plover]

Thats not how that works

[vast vapor]

they do know how convoke works on balance discord

[junior plover]

you claimed FF replaces shred

burden of proof is on you my friend

[clear pulsar]

I didn't 'claim' that

[junior plover]

either way whether its the tiniest buff or nerf i really dont care this is shittalk anyway

I'm happy this is the convoke change we get

[lime sparrow]

what do you think about rake convoke opener? it would almost guarantee trinket use

[junior plover]

where boomies actually got a healthy nerf

[tulip falcon]

at the end of the day it's barely a change lmao

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

It's barely a change

[austere thicket]

does convoke hit targets in cyclone? did they finally change that or no? I remember it didnt hit roots, then it did hit roots, now it doesnt hit roots

[foggy ravine]

Or you force trinket convoke for win

[tulip falcon]

it looks good to the people who didn't know what they were crying about in the first place so it should appease them for a bit

[clear pulsar]

And I think it's absurd that 1. they think boomie convoke and feral convoke need the same nerf, and 2. they nerfed convoke before nerfing ww cd stacking.

[forest kite]

I'm rather curious about the nerf to Convoke. How much does it mean for us in pvp situations now? As in, was it a big nerf or just a minor one?

[clear pulsar]

Bro

[vast vapor]

its fucking minor

[junior plover]

It's minor but healthy

[clear pulsar]

Literally read the last 4 messages above yours

[junior plover]

well

the boomie one

[tulip falcon]

lol

[foggy ravine]

Literally doesn’t phase me

[junior plover]

the feral one is nonexistent

[placid mirage]

Incarn or starlord for arenas

[foggy ravine]

Star lord

[tulip falcon]

feral one literally wont change anything

[foggy ravine]

Fatty haste boof for speedy clones

[junior plover]

[foggy ravine]

Unless you meme for convoke omegalul one shot

[forest kite]

Huh. I guess I need to reroll DH, because I'm blind as fuck. Thanks xd

[vast vapor]

the nerf is very simple and convoke works just like it worked before but wont cast exceptional spells in pvp situations, you press convoke and it does exactly the same it did before

[foggy ravine]

Then boat incarn aura mastery bop pray to rng god

[clever bluff]

ppl praising the nerf to convoke don't realize..that didn't proc hardly ever..now it means more starsurges..i can count the amount of times full moon procs with my fingers in the last few weeks

in rbgs

[livid heart]

Very true, one out of 10 convokes at a full moon for me

[clear pulsar]

Nah no Full Moon isn't actually better for Boomie

[placid mirage]

I mean at the same time it's not uncommon

[loud wedge]

Is the mage nerf significant?

[junior plover]

Yeah

[clear pulsar]

Full Moon gives HUGE astral power so you came out of Convoke with 2 or 3 Surges pooled for follow up already

[placid mirage]

I have gotten a significant amount of free wins just from full moon

[loud wedge]

Are they way less tanky now

[vast vapor]

its a nerf but not enough

[junior plover]

I really like the mage nerf

[clear pulsar]

Now you only come out of it with 1

Guaranteed

Like always

[junior plover]

I wish it was 40% tho

or 35

[clear pulsar]

Or 25%

Maybe 15%

[junior plover]

[clever bluff]

thank god ret/prot/holy got nerfed

[tulip falcon]

well

[austere thicket]

Sarik minor, getting a Full moon proc was low like I played 41 games yesterday and I think I proced full moon twice, so its more of a gimick and not something you actually plan on to win a game

[junior plover]

Prot was a meme anyway

but i like that its gone from 2s

[loud wedge]

Still cant focus mage in arena though right?

[tulip falcon]

hpala/ret is still gonna be god tier

[junior plover]

A lot of comps already focused mage

[placid mirage]

Is it gone from 2s

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the set of changes is incredibly minor for all the specs affected. Mage got the biggest nerf of all and they should still run the meta.

[junior plover]

Yeah prot heals for 40% less in 2s now

[placid mirage]

I'm still gonna try my prot boomie 2s see how it goes

[junior plover]

with the dampen change

[tulip falcon]

but at least it's not a drastic overnerf that shifts the entire meta in 1 hotfix like they have done before

if we had small changes like this every week

id be fine with it

[junior plover]

Also fire mage infernal cascade nerf is pretty pog

thats like

[clear pulsar]

Oh yes @tulip falcon I'm not complaining at all, I'm completely at peace with this

[junior plover]

6% less damage?

[loud wedge]

Wont see 3k prots anymore atleast

[placid mirage]

Just 3k holy everywhere

[chrome panther]

its 12% stacked twice to 24% i think

[junior plover]

Im pretty sure the 3k prots were memers

swapping spec before logout

ive never seen prot on a high rating stream

[austere thicket]

mages got the nerf they needed, everyone cries about convoke + celestial combo when you have it once per 3 mins, mages fire have combustion every 40sec

[clear pulsar]

Yeah so should be 116/124 = 6.5% less dmg during combustion

[tulip falcon]

i just see it as a small step but i'm probably just over hopeful and we will prob see more minor changes in like another month

lol

[junior plover]

I am actually

sorta fine

with this patch

[austere thicket]

6.5% less dmg + less survivability so training them might actually be a good strat now

[clear pulsar]

I don't think we'll see much more, I think we need WW cd stacking nerf and rally and/or intervene nerf for arms too, but I'm ok with the game staying as is.

[junior plover]

after these changes

[placid mirage]

I mean prot was basically just doing tank things it's not like they were globaling ppl

I think playing vs hpal in almost every matchup is worse than prot

[junior plover]

Prot is a manaless healer

[rich crag]

which for pvp is the best for Niya abilities for the last row ?

[junior plover]

which is just unhealthy for the game

[rich crag]

feral

[junior plover]

but it wasnt too strong

[placid mirage]

So is hpal omegalul

[austere thicket]

prot is a nightmare for casters

[tulip falcon]

tanks shouldn't have a place in arena

its always unfun

[junior plover]

You want 2x potency

[tulip falcon]

whenever its a thing

[junior plover]

so the kick one

[clear pulsar]

Probably burrs, it does a decent amount of damage and double endurance is better than double potency

The kick one does waaaay less damage

[chrome panther]

burrs is worth more dps than any potency conduit.

[placid mirage]

Tanks in arena is basically just another version of rot idk

[junior plover]

DPS doesnt matter

[feral scaffold]

any opinion on the supatease boomy guide ?

[junior plover]

what matters is your go damage

[clear pulsar]

Double endurance >> double potency

Not even close

[junior plover]

Ehh idk

depends on your comp I guess

altho

idk what 2nd potency kyrians use

[clear pulsar]

Yeah ofc you can just swap

[junior plover]

22% convoke damage is hard to pass

[chrome panther]

conflux > fury >>>>>>>> the rest.

[clear pulsar]

We're talking feral

[chrome panther]

o

jk

[junior plover]

[foggy ravine]

No feral needs fury come on

[junior plover]

Even as Kyrian

[foggy ravine]

If you aren’t moonfire sunfire dotting as feral

What are you

[junior plover]

you go TFB + the tf one

for big goes

[forest kite]

What is the better comp right now with a druid and paladin? Balance/feral and holy paladin or ret paladin/restro druid? I take it double dps would be destroyed at higher ratings.

[tardy hare]

niya masterrace

[foggy ravine]

Ret boomy is fun

[junior plover]

Holy Feral and Ret Resto are both solid

Depends on how big the holy pala nerf ends up being

[clear pulsar]

Well as Pelagos you get both double endurance and double potency @junior plover

[stable sluice]

Prot/boom is dummy

[junior plover]

apparently it was 30% in the beta and they sucked?

[junior plover]

I see

we get that as dreamweaver but check name

[clear pulsar]

FACTS

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

/spit on every pod abuser

[tardy hare]

suck it kids

im the alpha here

[junior plover]

Feral tips:

JOHN FUCKIN MADEN

[forest kite]

Ah cool. Thanks again 🙂

[austere thicket]

Feral tips - go boomie

[clear pulsar]

Dude if Kyrian wasn't so dogshit in pve it'd actually be sick to run Kleia in m+

[junior plover]

Get out

[clear pulsar]

5% crit is crazy

They really gotta change that kyrian potency

[junior plover]

I am starting to convince myself to go kyrian

since i cant be arsed to do pve anymore

[clear pulsar]

Make it idk the pool lasts longer for you to spend

[tardy hare]

me:

[junior plover]

but the dopamine hit from maim convoke

[tardy hare]

[clear pulsar]

So you get less wastage in pve

[junior plover]

im addicted

[feral scaffold]

what leggo would you recommend as boomy for mostly RBGs ?

[tardy hare]

me aswell:

enemy:

[junior plover]

^ truth

[clear pulsar]

Skullbash Convoke

Like Maim Convoke is nice ye? Clone one, Maim Convoke sounds good, makes sense.

But you lock that disc priest on shadow mend and Convoke thru PS

[tardy hare]

i just look my enemy in the eye

causing immense fear

then i press convoke

[junior plover]

game starts
enemy priest fears me
enemy warrior is on my healer half a map away

[tardy hare]

while they are unable to react out of pure fear

[junior plover]

You already know

what comes next

[clear pulsar]

Or maybe

It's better to lock on holy when fear is on cd

So can't PS?

[junior plover]

yeee

[clear pulsar]

PS is 50% ye?

What is dome?

[tardy hare]

just kill em

smh

[junior plover]

I swear to god they always open with fear

[clear pulsar]

Locking on holy they cant power radiance

[junior plover]

when you go on them

But the best thing must be

that bfa fat pirates arena

and baiting the dps to los

behind the wall

or Ashamane's Fall

same shit

[loud wedge]

At what rating? 1200?

[tardy hare]

this works everywhere

trust

[junior plover]

Yep

Go down to 20%

warrior's execute

lights up

and he's a goner

just blink behind wall he'll fucking follow you everywhere

[loud wedge]

Well isnt that healers fault then

[clear pulsar]

Kill discs thru PS every rating

[loud wedge]

For not Reading the situation

[clear pulsar]

They all fall over

[junior plover]

Depends on what healer it is I guess

[clear pulsar]

Conflux Niya GANG

[junior plover]

but the shaman wont catch up to a leap slamming warrior

heroic leaping?

poe leaking

Okay so my vicious saddle progress was bugged for 2 weeks

apparently some people asked support and they got the saddle for it

but my support guy

I swear to god

he's so fucking stubborn

I link him reddit threads with screenshots of GM conversations saying they sent the saddle via mail since the character was affected

[clear pulsar]

Guildies really out here thinking druids actually care for this 'nerf'

[lime light]

Saddle

[junior plover]

and this dude is like "we dont have the tools to send you a saddle"

[tardy hare]

[chrome panther]

you want true tears, go to pala disc

malding over wog nerf

[junior plover]

Boohoo my no cd lay on hands only heals 80% now 😠

[crude minnow]

If you look at wow head comments on patch notes. So many people asking for rogue nerfs. Jeez people really get killed by a rogue at 1300 and never pvp again because of it

[tardy hare]

"its just dumb that we get nerfed once again while we can only burst or heal, no sustained damage, no mobility, no cc... when is blizz gnna give us one of those three in return for all these nerfs that we have been getting? This is like what? third time blizz nerfs pally?"

[clear pulsar]

It doesn't even affect holy, there's no way ret mains actually think 1.2m dmg 1.2m healing is alright

[crude minnow]

Just judgement me across the map for 25k instead

[clear pulsar]

Like

My guy really said no cc

Is that a real quote?

[chrome panther]

oh holy is mad about favor nerf

[crude minnow]

Hpal didn't get nerfed enough.

[chrome panther]

seriously if your ever feeling down and want some comedy

[clear pulsar]

Tell him people stop moving when they divine toll into tv crit

[chrome panther]

hpal disc best disc

or arms pvp discord

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the warrior discord is wild

I was there for like 2 days last week cuz my warrior dinged 60

[chrome panther]

they dont actually talk about the game i swear

[clear pulsar]

And it's like a parallel dimension

[chrome panther]

its all workout routines and covid p*ussy

[lime light]

holy is amd about favor nerf?

lmao

thats so minor

compared to how

op they are

[junior plover]

Apparently in beta it got buffed

because pala was too weak

and this is a bigger nerf than that buff

so idk

[loud wedge]

Why isnt wog nerf impactfull?

[junior plover]

Its somewhat impactful but just too low

[lime light]

the main issue is, wog cost no mana and heals too much

[loud wedge]

Isnt wog most of hpal healing in arena?

[lime light]

wog and holy shock

yes

[chrome panther]

they didnt nerf wog for hpal.

[lime light]

ofc they didnt

[junior plover]

Holy wog wasnt touched

[lime light]

just some trash favor nerf

[clear pulsar]

Wog nerf is only ret and prot

[loud wedge]

Lmao 5 sec favor

[forest kite]

but divine favor is not a bad nerf

[loud wedge]

God damn.. Then why bitch

[lime light]

the only nerfed class in that notes

is fire mage

and its still

minor af

[junior plover]

Divine Favor is a good nerf

again its not enough

[lime light]

15% on shields

lmao

[junior plover]

but its a good start

[forest kite]

cast speed decrease is huge, cd not so much

[junior plover]

and 6.5% less damage

[chrome panther]

eh 15% is more than it appears.

[loud wedge]

Dude from 25 to 30 sec is not a nerf

[clear pulsar]

Ok I'm out

[junior plover]

Read it again

[loud wedge]

Will do

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the cast speed nerf is actually nice

[junior plover]

halved the cast time buff too

[clear pulsar]

5s cd is whatever

[junior plover]

so you have more time to CC them

during cast now

its nice

[forest kite]

Right, but in a 5 minutes game, those 5 secs add up to, but the main nerf is the cast speed

[tardy hare]

yes

[loud wedge]

How Long does it take now? To cast holy light

[clear pulsar]

You don't press divine favor on cd bro @forest kite

It's not a hps pve parse

You press it when people take damage

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

There is no damage from any spec in the game that will outpace 30s but didn't outpace 25s

[junior plover]

You do if someone sits on you

so its a nice

2s nerf

which i'll take given how absurd pala is in 2s

[loud wedge]

Anyone know how much longer in seconds the cast time is now

[clear pulsar]

The nerf isn't live yet @loud wedge

[loud wedge]

Iknow

[junior plover]

60% -> 30%

[loud wedge]

In seconds

[clear pulsar]

Half hte seconds

[loud wedge]

Fuck it ill calculate it myself

[junior plover]

emm

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

flash of light is .3s longer

wait no

.45

holy light is .75s longer

big deal

[clear pulsar]

Wut

What the fuck type of math is that

LOL

Bro

That ain't it

[junior plover]

what

is my brain really fried?

[clear pulsar]

Yes

You are doing 2.5 / 0.4

[junior plover]

30% of 1.5s is .45s

[clear pulsar]

Or uh

2.5 * 0.4

[junior plover]

no

its not

im fried

[clear pulsar]

It's 1.5 / 1.3

[tardy hare]

hella fried

[loud wedge]

Ok so basic math skills are not needed in high rated arena lmao

[junior plover]

Nor in life

[clear pulsar]

Holy light goes from 1.56 to 1.92 base with divine favor

[junior plover]

professional developer here

[clear pulsar]

Not accounting for other things that make it faster

[past hull]

feral pvp stat prio

can any1 let me what this actually is

[junior plover]

versa mastery crit

in that order

[past hull]

is it still 0% haste?

[junior plover]

pretty much yeah

[past hull]

ok perfect

[junior plover]

haste is not that much worse

than crit

but crit is just better

so no reason to buy haste gear

altho some people play fucking Cat Eye Curio MOC feral

I wanna play that tbh

more 50 energy bites sounds sweet

[clear pulsar]

Pretty sure cat eye sims higher with bt than moc actually

[junior plover]

pvp

[clear pulsar]

Wel

[junior plover]

but yeah it does

[rich crag]

darn i die pretty fast to a 220 ww at 180 or so... i don't even get to press some keys lol

[junior plover]

but im not playing bt in pve

cant make me

[clear pulsar]

If it sims higher in pve on top of buffing your bites which is more relevant than buffing your shreds

Then no reason to run moc ye!?

[junior plover]

Point is

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

you pool to max energy in pvp

[lime light]

if u are 180 ilvl u deserve to be globaled

[junior plover]

the proc from moc

[lime light]

u dont play the game at all

[junior plover]

worthless

you pool to max and then unleash hell

[clear pulsar]

I wanna make all the legendaries

[tardy hare]

if you're 180 ilvl

i kill you in like

1 bite

[junior plover]

I dont remember who played that at glad rating but i think it mightve been bean

[clear pulsar]

I prob wont bother with draught on main, already made it on necro

[rich crag]

@lime light Ignorance personified just started gearing this guy yesterday 🙂

[clear pulsar]

What you think @tardy hare do I remake Symmetry on gloves to match my NOW slot that's already 225

Or do I make Cat-eye

[tardy hare]

whats now slot

[clear pulsar]

Shit cat-eye slots bad

I dont wanna give up ring and neck

4% vers each

[clear pulsar]

Barkskin leggo

[tardy hare]

o

[clear pulsar]

I made it on gloves

And it's 225

[tardy hare]

i have symmetry on gloves

[clear pulsar]

My symm is still 190 but it's on helm

[tardy hare]

cause i rolled helm from vault

[clear pulsar]

So i'm thinking of remaking it on gloves so I can buy a conq helm only

And not have to buy gloves at all

[junior plover]

Gloves are equally good

wdym

[lime light]

symmetry is nerfed if u have it on gloves

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

wat

[tardy hare]

[clear pulsar]

Bro dont ask me what I mean if you didn't read what I said @junior plover

[junior plover]

See

fair enough

[lime light]

if u have symmetry on head

it gives 3 combo

on hands only2

[clear pulsar]

Damn I wish

[junior plover]

[tardy hare]

[clear pulsar]

I think it used to be 3 in beta

[junior plover]

Yep

[lime light]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-crying-sad-gif-17901663

[junior plover]

I low key hate symmetry

[tardy hare]

cheeky lliar

[junior plover]

not max rank symmetry

[clear pulsar]

Did you make both then?

LOL

[junior plover]

190 vs max rank is like 500 life or something dumb like that

[tardy hare]

: )

[clear pulsar]

That's what I'm thinking of doing like I already made it on helm

But it's still just 190

May as well make it on gloves next week ye!?

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

But I also wanted to give Cateye a try

@junior plover I'm talking about making gearing easier/faster

Cuz if both of the leggos I use in pvp are on same slot, I don't need to buy that slot from vendor

[tardy hare]

mate head first

[clear pulsar]

But rn they are each on a diff one cuz I'm stupid

[tardy hare]

but then i rolled head from vault

[junior plover]

Yeah I gotcha

[tardy hare]

and had 5k soul ash

and head was 300k on ah

so i bought gloves for like 100k

and put it on max lvl gloves instead

gg

big ilvl

dab

[junior plover]

im feral only so really no other leggo to use

except cat eye i guess

[clear pulsar]

Well

I am feral too

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Barkskin leggo absolute bis bro

[junior plover]

wut

which one is that

guardian leggo?

ye i guess its alright

[clear pulsar]

No lie it's actually so nice cuz like it makes me feel way safer to run balance affinity in the z axis maps, or even just resto aff for vortex/help my healer

[junior plover]

actually

just gotta remember to

swap to bear as it drops

[lime light]

if u are playing

[clear pulsar]

It increases my EHP when I press barkskin from 95k to 170k or something @junior plover

[lime light]

guardian lego

[vast vapor]

anyone else get situations as balance when u are setupping and need to go but you can't get eclipse on?

[lime light]

u are disgusting degan

not allowed in my chat

[junior plover]

eclipsal dysfunction

cant get it up

[clear pulsar]

Yeah happened a lot when I was fucking around as boomie, especially after sitting bear for 15 seconds straight

[tardy hare]

am making bear incarn lego soon

so i can free win flag maps in rbgs

[junior plover]

If youre all setup and ready to go but you just cant get it up

talk to a doctor

[vast vapor]

everything perfect for a go but then you are just a noodle

[junior plover]

Yep a noodle

[vast vapor]

yep

[clear pulsar]

Nah just got full haste vers

[junior plover]

I get you

[clear pulsar]

Fuck mastery

[tardy hare]

relatable man

lil machtig never works when he needs to

[vast vapor]

maybe u should talk to a doctor yeah

[tardy hare]

no

he's just shy

[clear pulsar]

So without leggo, my physical dam EHP in bear is 92k, goes to 115k with barkskin.
With leggo, EHP is 93k, goes to 150k and I heal for 50% of my health bar so 225k EHP basically if FR doesn't overheal

Just run big balance aff the extra range makes me nut

[lime light]

boomkin affi on blades is good

vs melee donki kongs

[clear pulsar]

Dalaran too

And mechagon

And vs hpala they bop at low hp just hotw boomie convoke

[tardy hare]

😮

[lime light]

😉

[fathom oxide]

what is most have addon?

[vast vapor]

ClassicNumbers and turn on big crit sounds

[fathom oxide]

is this troll

[junior plover]

truth

For real tho

[tardy hare]

idk i would go night elf not troll tbh

[junior plover]

Gladius/GladiusEX

bigdebuffs

probably enough

[rich crag]

is classic numbers similar to classic fct ?

[clear pulsar]

Omnibar / arena frames (sArena, Gladius, Gladiusex) / bigdebuffs /

[foggy ravine]

Teammate ability tracker is good too

[stray sigil]

curio bis

no more sym nonesense

[clear pulsar]

Haha

You think so?

Have u actually played it?

[shrewd lichen]

Do boomies reroll kyrian after convoke nerf?

[tardy hare]

nerf

xd

[stray sigil]

bro face

u are 100% trolling me

ive told u im playing bt curio for a week now

[fathom oxide]

what is the addon that shows peoples arena exp and rating

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar

[fathom oxide]

nvm found it

[wispy pike]

Tell me something. For pvp is better to have more haste or mastery?

[shrewd lichen]

Do you think convoke was buffed?

[vast vapor]

bt curio in 3s? =D

[tardy hare]

no, it's just quite irrelevant

[stray sigil]

yes

in 3s

in rbs in 2s

in life

[vast vapor]

its kinda qol thing

[shrewd lichen]

Ok thanks, I'll be staying fae

[tulip falcon]

think im staying bloodtalons apex

cba crafting sym

[tardy hare]

bloodtalons sym

dab

[stray sigil]

sym not a huge desl anyways

pretty crap outside of zerk

not a fan personally

[tulip falcon]

when i get like insane luck and get double apex procs its huge

but happens like

rarely

[placid maple]

Is good Wild Hunt Tactics for pvp with restoration spec? maybe versus warrior or other meleeS

[stray sigil]

thats korayn?

[placid maple]

y last soulbind

[stray sigil]

no

[placid maple]

it sucks in 2s and 3s too?

[stray sigil]

at glance doesnt look like a healing soulbind

[placid maple]

ty

[tulip falcon]

wait athene is 2.6 in 3s now

gonna shoot myself

[tardy hare]

big

[fallow thunder]

tips for dealing with melee heavy rbg comps?

primarily enh, feels like arms + enh melt a target in 2 globals or so

[calm sonnet]

what's best comp for feral atm in 3vs3?

[sly marsh]

fmp, jungle, or melee cleave with arms or WW probably

[ruby walrus]

I think its still Feral hunter Disc

[feral scaffold]

circle of life and death/Dreambinder/vision of oneth for a NF rbg oriented boomy ?

[chrome panther]

dreambinder.

[vast vapor]

godgamer obviously

[crude minnow]

Dreambinder or boat. Oneth is for padders

[junior plover]

Jungle and FMP are both good

Jungle is a mage counter tho

[clever bluff]

anyone think burrs may be insane in pvp come tuesday?

[forest kite]

what honor talents do you boomies run in RBGs?

[clear pulsar]

I just dont know how often you actually queue bro just asking

[clear pulsar]

Jungle / fmp / feral ret disc / feral spr rsham

[foggy ravine]

triple feral

each convoke and hope one sticks

[clear pulsar]

Burrs should only be available the following reset, not this tuesday

[junior plover]

feral ww disc also slaps

[foggy ravine]

Low key triple dps is fun

[maiden trout]

How do you nerf convoke but not combustion?! Come onnnnn

[junior plover]

They did nerf combustion

much more so than convoke

[maiden trout]

They nerfed a conduit.

[junior plover]

A combust conduit

did you even check

what it did?

lol

6.5% less combust damage now

[foggy ravine]

And reduced barrier

[maiden trout]

I did

[foggy ravine]

Poggas

[maiden trout]

Lol

[junior plover]

Then wdym

[maiden trout]

Read it

Lol

[tardy hare]

[maiden trout]

I wanted combustion to be nerfed to the ground ok. Back off

[loud wedge]

6.5% isnt shit

If you did 20k dmg in a combust window, you cut 1200 dmg..

1300 sorry

[foggy ravine]

20k? I shoot surges for that much

[loud wedge]

Did you not see the if?

[junior plover]

I mean you asked why they nerfed convoke and not combust

but they nerfed combust like 5x harder

[foggy ravine]

I’m memeing off

[maiden trout]

My dog is eating a deer carcass in the front yard right now. I wanted blizzard to be my dog, and combustion to be the deer.

[foggy ravine]

Ofc

[junior plover]

on top of the barrier nerfs

[loud wedge]

Mage got hit wayyyy harder than boomers

And mage was not even that hard

[stable halo]

I have been trying to read you guys but work keeps holding me back, damn

[tulip falcon]

the amount of people advocating for revenge nerfs always impresses me

[foggy ravine]

I think everyone can appreciate he pog wog nerf

[maiden trout]

Yep. And people taking discord so seriously too lol

[tulip falcon]

instead of nerfing it to a decent level people want it nerfed to unviability

its nuts

[loud wedge]

Just cant figure out how ww escaped the nerfhammer

[foggy ravine]

Nerf all damage bring dampening back

[tulip falcon]

or how mc bug isnt fixed

lul

[foggy ravine]

(Said no one ever)

My bug is big dumb

Makes priest bottom tier healer

[maiden trout]

Convoke wasn’t even used in high end arena was it? Too easy to stop and make useless

[loud wedge]

Nerf healing by 70% and lets get 10 sec games back

[foggy ravine]

Idk look at awc

Convoke was big

[hollow junco]

In awc seemed like convoke was better than kyrian

[loud wedge]

Dude they won ONE gamr

[hollow junco]

lots of competing factors though

[junior plover]

2 games

[maiden trout]

Yeah? Interesting. I would’ve switched to Kyrian already if it wasn’t for NF being better in PVE and most offspec

[junior plover]

but it was Method's fault

OTKs*

And they admitted to it

[foggy ravine]

But ya kyrian way more playable

Convoke require too much set up

[junior plover]

Also game2 convoke wasnt even used

[loud wedge]

They fucked up so hard that game

[junior plover]

so they literally had 1 good convoke all tournament long

and cdew said

he threw

[loud wedge]

Yeah

[maiden trout]

Yep and if convoke is countered you lose. Too much of a coin flip

[loud wedge]

I would welcome ww cd stack nerf though ngl

[junior plover]

It was pretty funny seeing a monk hold trinkets and all defensives when losd from his healer

against fire mage

tho

in fucking winners finals

[maiden trout]

Problem is I do resto in 2s. So until they fix covenant locking....

[loud wedge]

Why even resto in 2s when you can just go balance in 2s and do about same healing, and as much cyclone spam

[fathom oxide]

ok feral aff is growing on me

[foggy ravine]

Feral aff bis resto Druid

[maiden trout]

Guardian makes you really hard to kill. But sometimes not enough offense

[foggy ravine]

ya you can live forever as guardian

but dem juicy rake stuns

[fathom oxide]

i like balance 😛

[feral scaffold]

will it be worth to swap to kyrian for rbg as boomy?

[clear pulsar]

Yall are wild

[foggy ravine]

kyrian and NF always been competitive damage wise and still are

[clear pulsar]

"If convoke is countered you lose" like

[foggy ravine]

convoke barely nerfed

[clear pulsar]

That's a bad take bro

[foggy ravine]

boomy pump mad damage outside convoke regardless

[stable sluice]

Very bad take

[stable halo]

How do you play that comp?

[maiden trout]

It was an obvious oversimplification... but if you’re in a competitive arena match and your 2m covenant CD is shut down (including a CA), it’s going to be an uphill battle. And it’s countered by a kick lol

[haughty compass]

convoke isnt good gameplay, it needed a tone down

Ive had plenty of times the first spell was a full moon crit and deleted someone

and they insta kicked

[fathom oxide]

im newbie dont take advice from me

[junior plover]

Feral aff is not a comp

its a talent

feral affinity

[stable sluice]

@maiden trout u must not play much arena then. You have consistent burst every boat window if you are building ap.

boomy isn’t good just cause convoke lol

[clear pulsar]

It's entirely on you to make Convoke not stoppable 'by a kick lo'l

Druid toolkit is insane

You have so much cc

If people stop your Convoke without committing a trinket or a major cd at the very least

You're just playing bad

Idk like 80% of games I don't even press Convoke until 3 mins in when things are prime

You don't have to just throw it out for the sake of it

[stable sluice]

Yup

[clear pulsar]

And when you do throw it out

You get 400 mastery for 30s, which is like a 18% dmg buff during CA

[stable halo]

I thought it was feral affliction

[junior plover]

Maaaybe but im pretty sure he was talking about the talnet

[stable halo]

Yeah makes more sense

[fathom oxide]

what is best combo with resto druid?

[junior plover]

For 2s?

[fathom oxide]

ye

[junior plover]

Mage and Warrior are both super meta and slap with druid

[fathom oxide]

mage?

how come

[lime light]

XD

cuz they are impossible to kill

super mobile

[tardy hare]

@stray sigil u play curio right

?

[lime light]

unhealable damgur with combust

and they can make combust super low cd

[clear pulsar]

We don't talk to techies players in this server

[fathom oxide]

im a good techies

[clear pulsar]

Oh you only play vs bots?

Those are the good techies players

The ones that aren't in my ranked

[fathom oxide]

my friends love when i play techies

[vast vapor]

I love techies, free mmr

on opponent team

[fathom oxide]

im divine 5

techies

[clear pulsar]

If you're techies you'll like fire mage

[fathom oxide]

just wish i was good at arena

[clear pulsar]

Stop wishing

Start improving

[primal bane]

@fathom oxide what u play boomie?

[stable halo]

What is a techie?

[primal bane]

cancer dog

[stable halo]

[fathom oxide]

im resto

[rich crag]

for feral is symmetry a good upgrade for pvp from apex ? just trying to prio what lego to get next

[primal bane]

well thats honestly your entire issue bro

MW gets a lot of shit for being trash but resto is barely above it

only way resto ever works is if you play a comp that has 0 consistent dmg and relies on 100-0

like double fmage

[maiden trout]

I honestly might give feral a shot in arena now. Seems fun... and I usually run with my hunter buddy. Since there’s no more one shotting with boomy (good change, but still)

[pine compass]

What talents do you guys play for RBG boomy?

[maiden trout]

Does feral have better offheals than boomy in 2s? With the instant regrowths?

[stable sluice]

Do u even play boomy lol you can 1 shot with convoke without full moon

[maiden trout]

@stable sluice reed. Do you even have conversations with real life people? Are you just gonna sit there and try to shit on everything others are saying?

You can still blow people up with convoke. I know.

But with the nerf, I’m considering feral, and am curious how others feel.

[stable sluice]

You’ve just said 2 dumb things since you’ve talked

[maiden trout]

I’m not saying boomkin is useless

[primal bane]

yes feral has better offheals but his own survivability is worse

[maiden trout]

Then don’t respond reed. Stop being a buzzkill reed.

[rich crag]

@stable sluice I don't think he said dumb things, he just said he might give feral a shot and you reacted like a typical toxic 🙂

[hoary ledge]

Just come to the light and play Kyrian