That makes sense. I just feel like, at market on first fight, for example, there won't be anyone peeling for healers, so I'll clone those guys and just get caught up doing that while applying dots and doing convoke. But then I see at end of game my dmg is sometimes 500k less than another balance druid
#pvp
devout phoenix
I was top dps in an Ashran today by spamming starfall, sunfire, and starfire
I assume you could do that while cloning and rootbeaming
clear pulsar
🧢
devout phoenix
Lmao
clear pulsar
Don't waste asp on starfall if you're trying to win games
tiny oar
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/
Can filter for rdruid above x rating in rbgs and see their armories, mark or focused growth with resin and early spring and mother tree leggo is a good default pick
thorny venture
unless you know enemy healers are struggling
devout phoenix
For real though I don’t think your job is necessarily to do big deeps outside of convoke if you’re successfully peeling for healers and your team is winning fights
Net total big damage at the end of a BG is less important than big damage in small burst windows which net your team kills and objectives
balmy sparrow
Alwayspadx
thorny venture
there is something demoralizing to force enemy heals to heal everyone and then burst someone
summer flare
@tiny oar ty
cosmic urchin
How good is resto druid for rbgs?
forest kite
holy shit dude I cant believe im running into high level premades in my low level queue arena skirmishes while leveling
its actually fucking pathetic
they have covenants and shit
Im level 40
fervent imp
during convoke, as feral if we have 5 combot points does the Ferocious Bite will deal more dammage ?
forest kite
Theres something very fucked going on in lower level arena skirmishes
deep lodge
Which conquest weapon to get for balance? The 2 1hs or the staff
brazen lake
Any rdruid in here qing anything other than godcomp and splay
I feel so fucking gimped having to play convoke as balance in raid, necro seems way better
Cba to level my second druid
clear pulsar
YOu feel gimped having to play the covenant that is bis by 3 miles
Cuz you think the worst covenant seems way better
limber plover
hey, how do ret paladin/resto druid counter IceDK/hpal?
brazen lake
Ya my b could’ve phrased better
clear pulsar
Nah my b bro
brazen lake
That would be troll lmfao
brazen lake
Ye covenant shit kinda got my down but it’s not like I NEED to be necro, just disheartened when I look at ladder
brazen lake
50th rdruid is less than 2.2k...50th disc and hpal are both above 2.7k
clear pulsar
It's just a legit 30% healing buff on >50% uptime
brazen lake
I gotta level second druid then
Just such a bitch to grind all that soul ash again, wait for leggo from ardenweald, etc
clear pulsar
Like Convoke is prob fine
brazen lake
It’s a trap
clear pulsar
Using it for heal is like instant top entire team I guess
clear pulsar
Just such a bitch to grind all that soul ash again, wait for leggo from ardenwea...
The leggos are account wide
clear pulsar
And you can get rank 1 leggo first week just fine
Can do layer 8 at like 170 ilvl
And one or two bolvar quests gets you to 1250
brazen lake
What’s stopping me from just qing disc and getting way more rating though, just love of the class
But not sure if love of rdruid is enough to get me to level 2 in current state
clear pulsar
Rdruids will prevail #againstallodds
brazen lake
Facts
Need that energy
Wtf comp do I even play
Because it’s not like I give a shit about qing anything other than best rdruid comp atm
Shrom AP bar goat
tiny oar
Wtf comp do I even play
Splay godcomp turbo ret warr all good
Gl convincing a ret warr to play with u over an hpal tho lol
brazen lake
Not like I have much to lose slumming it at 1600
tiny oar
Not like I have much to lose slumming it at 1600
I queued marks scatterplay at 2.1 and it was surprising not awful when we got good go's. Think we could get glad with it at least.
brazen lake
I’m jus extremely washed so I need all the help I can get
queen copper
150 rating to go....
clear pulsar
I queued marks scatterplay at 2.1 and it was surprising not awful when we got g...
Scatterplay is to Godcomp what FMP is to RMP
Makes sense that it'd work like
Hunter and mage kinda fulfill a similar role/DR I guess
forest kite
convoke is trash change my mind
tardy hare
No u
tiny oar
Hunter and mage kinda fulfill a similar role/DR I guess
True ya worked out real nice when I got to break ankles n clone the world
cold escarp
whats the best moonkin comp for 2s?
mint totem
im running boomkin and firemage just because im running with a friend and its ok 
hpala looks strong
cold escarp
you're basically doing convoke combust cheese to win?
clear pulsar
True ya worked out real nice when I got to break ankles n clone the world
Make your spr run this so you can restealth all game long
bleak jetty
I play boomkin and my main focus will be RBG's and Arena's. What do you recommend: Night Fae or Kyrian?
I am NF currently. But the instant shutdown on Convoke is getting worse 😛
tiny oar
Make your spr run this so you can restealth all game long
Does that actually work as spriest wtf nice
formal sparrow
sullen geyser
i dont know about that Kyrian is pretty solid and doesn't get kickbotted
bleak jetty
I basically press convoke and when it gets kicked, it feels kinda useless. Basically have to wait 2 min to do it again..
clear pulsar
It affects shadow mend if you're disc or shadow @tiny oar
My bud runs it sometimes since PI doesn't give me a whole lot as feral
And it's like
20k+ shadow mend
In a pinch
tiny oar
Damn that's kinda nutty we could try that
He was thinking of swapped to the increased healing weap enchant too
queen copper
all melee team nearly wtf.
tiny oar
Could be sum juicy mends
tardy hare
Time to get smoked
queen copper
we actually won rofl
tardy hare
Gg
queen copper
500-1200 to 1500-1400
queen copper
I play boomkin and my main focus will be RBG's and Arena's. What do you recommen...
i play NF but kyrian definitely looking attractive as u say
though when u get a god convoke u just reset back to NF
now 2 enhances wtf is going on
bleak jetty
though when u get a god convoke u just reset back to NF
True that. When I get a good convoke it feels so satisfying.
edgy shale
outta how many
surreal loom
13
clear pulsar
Just crit them next time
surreal loom
IDK I won still
but ive had multiple games where I just feel like landing a kill is hard af; then go back in the details and find out theres 0 crits
lucid galleon
I'm going to play Balance in RBG's
What Melee (apart from Feral) would you recommend for 2's/3's?
Not the best at arena, but willing to learn and improve.
My friend also plays Ret, so any good comps for Ret would be preferred
& is Boomkin/Prot still as cheese as what people suggest?
edgy shale
until they nerf WoG that'll be strong
lucid galleon
And the PvP talent is horrendous I've heard
lucid galleon
Forgotten Queen/Convoke is stupid right?
Never seen it or played it, just heard of it
clear pulsar
I'm going to play Balance in RBG's
What Melee (apart from Feral) would you reco...
If you're boomie, boomie ret is good since both specs are busted, same for arms and ww. Sub rogue should be good too just actually a comp you have to play correctly.
clear pulsar
Forgotten Queen/Convoke is stupid right?
It's hilarious but not so hard to counter as you'd think
lucid galleon
Ret/WW good?
clear pulsar
Protw is garbage right? Pve wise rn @vestal citrus
vapid crane
ww anything lol
clear pulsar
Ret/WW good?
Oh you're trying to pick up an alt to play with the ret!?
severe viper
What slot do we craft boat on 
queen copper
grim hemlock
gotta win a game in that reset at that bracket
summer oasis
shit
vapid crane
If you hit 2.1 and drop to 2k can you no longer upgrade
next shadow
is anyone using Circle of Life and Death in PvP?
feel like it would work well with rot comps
afflic/spriest
maybe better than BOAT?
you still have convoke and 3xSS
it's just not as strong
you probably right im just playing devils advocate
I have a friend who is affliction who i'd like to play with more in the 1800 range
and we were wondering if circle might work better with what we're trying to do
any suggestions for playing with an afflic lock then? because we struggle xD
fear/clone DR
it sucks
mint totem
im running NF and having podtender, am i supposed to die instantly from rogues?
stable halo
Anywhere I can check which spells share DR??
exotic wolf
tulip falcon
if you want an overview of all the categories this is easier to look at
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Diminishing_returns
but the other site is better for specific spells
clear pulsar
Both of those are outdated
And have incorrect info
Gamepedia lists MC in same DR as sheep/hex, Asphyxiate as a silence, Fists and Binding Shot as stuns
tulip falcon
oh ye it does wtf
the few things i've checked it for hasn't changed so didn't notice
true pendant
Just cross cc lul
queen copper
fear one root the other and convoke :>
lime light
@clear pulsar smelly baboon
edgy shale
no1 change ur icon. when that happens it harder to tell who people are
fallow thunder
@forest kite don’t look at meters since stuff like starfall / a lot of dot damage is on non focus targets and is effectively useless, never contributing to actual kills or pressure. Focus on playing objectives and tunnelling starsurges for killing blows to win.
forest kite
Yeah that's what I'm doing. I think just getting mixed messages from some raid leaders who talk about not enough dmg. Thanks tho, that's helpful
fallow thunder
As I improved I found my damage breakdown shifted away from dots / starfall to surge topping
If you’re in a proper rot comp with afflocks / shadow (like 3+) of them it can be worthwhile using spread pressure but normally you just try to maximise ST burst
forest kite
Do you find people dispel druid dots in rbg? Just wondering if that pvp talent that gives astral power per dispel is worth it
foggy ravine
I normally roll with celestial guardian + aura + dispel if we don’t have a lock
opaque tree
I started doing 2s with a holy paly as balance. It was pretty difficult to get wins vs another healer/melee comp. we could survive a long time but securing kills was really difficult. Felt like I didn’t have enough burst. Would be able to get them down to 10% and not be able to seal the deal.
I’m at 212 ilvl with 20% verse. Paly is 203 with about 11% verse.
opaque tree
Timeworn. 1/2/2/1/3/2/2
I try to set up a cyclone into repentance on the healer and kill the dps
clear pulsar
Just do rootbeam healer + hoj dps every minute, follow up with rep on healer after that maybe and try to clone the DPS low if you don't have more astral power to finish a kill
Can take those 6 seconds to reposition, maybe get a clone follow up on the rep
On healer
opaque tree
Thank you for the insight. I will implement this.
clear pulsar
@vestal citrus you should work with someone to make a pvp Hekili
Just have them do wrath spam until full bar, then cc into dump
Put a paywall on it
Get rich
All the hekili users will flock to your new addon
obtuse marsh
What do you guys do when you’re getting hardcore trained all game in 3s? Like double melee shaman, how the f do I cast anything against triple interrupt?
Do I lean more heavily into bear or kiting?
exotic wolf
you have two other peoples in your team that can do stuff.
the moment you can turn wiht a root/beam you could go ham on your kill target
if both melee train you all game and you can't do anything I'd say your mates do something wrong
dreamy gale
I agree @exotic wolf to be fair If u cant get a hold from them ur other dps is basically doing dmg with no form of utility or cc, ur healer isn't doing any cc either
exotic wolf
if you want more specific advice we need to know about your comp. then we can give advice according to utility your team has
obtuse marsh
you have two other peoples in your team that can do stuff.
the moment you can tu...
Maybe it’s a product of my low current rating (this is my 3rd alt) but honestly, 80% of games that I lose, I die within about 20 seconds of coming out of stealth
Enemy opens with every offensive CD. I bear, bark, frenzied regen, bash, renewal, die
If I survive beyond that, I will start to try cloning, get kicked once, twice, stunned on the 3rd
Feels a little like I’m just a punching bag
lucid galleon
@obtuse marsh I know the feeling, making a melee alt for this exact reason D:
Going to stick to RBG's on my drood
obtuse marsh
I have the frenzied regen conduit at 200 ilvl!!
I feel like healers just really struggle to keep someone up beyond the first 30 seconds of the game at 1400-1600
When I’m not the kill target I am cloning with high winds, rooting etc and still someone will just die
Frustrates the hell out of me
This is why I usually main healers. You can carry so hard through low CR by just not being a clown
ebon vortex
you can setup some nice cc to counter melee goes as a resto druid
lucid galleon
Never played healer, like ever, how is it to pick up?
ebon vortex
incap -> clone or stomp -> clone are always good
can also easily get trinket out too and bash them
the best way to play resto rn is to play around the big amount of cc you have to mitigate the also big amount of burst the other team have
junior stag
alright guys, i am fucking terrible at pvp. anyone have a decent beginners guide i could check out? ive watched the basic ones on youtube but i always seem to die instantly
lucid galleon
@junior stag - same. I can deal damage, but once I am targeted I just flop 😦
junior stag
i see good druids and theyre able to peal and kite so easily but i must be missing something
lucid galleon
I just feel like I live in a stun/slow
junior stag
sweet thank you
obtuse marsh
I don’t have the balls to play resto druid in this meta
It was rough in 8.3. It’s giga rough in 9.0
lucid galleon
Think I will just play my WW in arena and my Balance in RBG's
obtuse marsh
Games are only taking a long time in AWC because hybrid healing and self shields/immunities are too strong
Triune Ward, word of glory etc are the only reason we don’t have 30 second tourney games, I swear
obtuse marsh
Think I will just play my WW in arena and my Balance in RBG's
Balance is fun in RBG. I played a few games and it stomps. I stopped though because I want to get geared before I push because maintaining a high MMR in the early RBG climb can save you literally 20-30 games in the climb
If you get to 1400 rating with a 1400 MMR, it’s gonna be a long-old slog to get to 1800-2100. You want to get to 1400 with an MMR of 1600-1800
obtuse marsh
Yeah
I don’t love that aspect of the RBG rating system
Getting a good group that can stomp at low CR matters more than it should
If you grind it out organically it’s a slow and painful process
radiant shard
I got lucky on my VDH and hit 1,6k in 13 games , my druid has to do the normal grind now 😄
obtuse marsh
Just join a party with higher mmr
You can’t see their MMR though before you get into a game
tardy hare
Thats a lack of pre queue research :^)
sand osprey
Question is there a list somewhere of what convoke wont hit? There's something a monk has that I cant figure out why I'm not hitting him with Convoke. :C
lucid galleon
Anyone from EU-Horde want to do some RBG's later on??
azure kernel
in 2s as boomy , should i pair my CA with my convoke or seperate the use so i can have 2 decent burst windows?
turbid jolt
don't you use incarn in 2s with the pop out of stelath convoke macro
and just like pray for 1 shot
🙂
unborn notch
Does any have a macro that can use while in arena it will bash target1 and outside of arena it will bash my current target?
obtuse marsh
in 2s as boomy , should i pair my CA with my convoke or seperate the use so i ca...
CA is a big boost to convoke
unborn notch
There might be a more elegant way of doing it but just haven’t thought of it
unborn notch
Yeah it is, I’m on my phone so I haven’t tried it yet
#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1,harm,nodead] [] Mighty Bash
That would be it
hasty vault
Gear for balance resto
pale dagger
balance
cursive gale
So I am a kyrian balance druid and in 2s I just get one shot I have 19% versa I bash/cyclone one of the opposing team when I open and I get stunned and die if I don't trinket immediately and go bear renewal, I then have to stay in bear until I die or the other team switches which never happens any advice on what I can do to prevent being forced into bear would be great (I also run guardian affinity for the armour and frenzied regen)
pale dagger
whats ur rating
cursive gale
I just started so like 600. Sub rogue and feral just blow me up every time
Tried a few different partners always the same got 190 ilvl so I know its not great but surely its not that bad I get killed in 1 stun xD
modern flicker
At low ratings most people just blow their entire load ASAP and either win or lose off it
If you're playing double dps your best bet is to just not get opened on
But honestly 190 is low enough that you can legitimately just die in a stun to a geared person
cursive gale
Tends to happen is my partner engages and the rogue just waits til I either help dps or the eye and I get forced into combat and I die xD so annoying
Yup.. sometimes they wait that long and I get 1 shot if I come out
modern flicker
Sounds like your partner needs to hold a hard cc for their setup then
pale dagger
i mean I just want full gear asap
dont care about rating
so i guess its better to just buy gear then hopefully get aweapon throughout the weeks
can hunters kick me if Im BOP'd ?
stable sluice
Yes
plain hill
Do resto Druids get much use out of feral affinity, HotW, and master shapeshifter?
ashen smelt
master shapeshifter
last i heard, the cat form part of this was broken.
but no, not really.
plain hill
Damn, ok, sounded fun. Ty
tiny oar
its fixed now
so if u can play with a good class that peels well for you feral aff master shapeshift is big dam
finite turret
its fixed now
it is ? i don't ee the buff when i shift
plain hill
I’m just looking for a healer that can do damage in arenas. Obviously disc but was looking at other stuff
ashen smelt
i'd play a paladin if you're interested in that, tbh
fathom lodge
i have oath of the elder druid legendary, and the cat-eye curio...which would be better equipped for pvp?
i run feral w/ guardian affinity
austere thicket
are there any nice guides anywhere on how to play balance PvP? How to counter what class? How to beat what class 1v1? Best comps 2v2 / 3v3 and how to play them? Like I saw some Supatese videos but he more generally talks about arenas and I would like something with more basics on say "How to not die to a monk training you?" 😛
stable sluice
use your abilities to help kite, lots of options
thorns, roots, clone, dash, stamped, incap roar, typhoon
plain hill
Yeah paladin is good I’m sure but I’m not too fond of the whole light thematic
pearl osprey
Is staff better than MH+OH or is it the same ?
pallid coral
staff is more stats at max ilvl
but less stats at lower ilvl
so depends what rating you're at
pearl osprey
Mostly regarding going for possible raid drops, but thanks for the info! Didnt start playing my druid that much yet
clear pulsar
By more stats and less stats
3 int max difference
So around 0.003% output
Grab the one that has better secondaries if you will
crude minnow
More like 0.2% but ye
bitter harness
big surges
bitter harness
dang
untold vale
FERAL - guys i need some help with 2 items for arena
I am not sure if 110 vers is worth between these 2 weapons
I can't sim them due that 40% vers increase
i calculated its 110 versatility between them and im not sure if it worth it because of the ilvl diff
untold vale
thank you 🙂
clear pulsar
i have oath of the elder druid legendary, and the cat-eye curio...which would be...
Cat-eye, but it doesn't really matter too much. Oath isn't very practical, if you want a defensive survivability legendary, Barkskin one is better.
primal bane
are there any pvp rings?
pearl osprey
Is there a haste cap i should aim for or just as much as possible :)? As Balance druid, i could not find it anywhere
clear pulsar
Oath will just end up procing when you swap to remove a root or slow or anything like that, and then when you actually want the HOTW proc it'll be on cd.
tiny oar
it sure will HAHHA
near tapir
fringe musk
Best lego for Balance?
sick edge
crit
clear pulsar
You know you can just screenshot the chat window!?
storm nebula
so bois which leggo do you recommend for PvP? I see all kyrian boomies take dreambinder but I'm night fae
devout phoenix
I'm still gearing right now but Balance of All Things with Convoke the Spirits and Incarnation + Trinket looks hilarious
crude minnow
BOAT is only taken if you RELY on convoke
you swap between dreambinder and boat depending
sick edge
Well, having that increased crit for 3x starsurge without CDS is a big dick move aswell
crude minnow
It isnt compared to dreambinder
sick edge
Oh?
crude minnow
just look at math that has been showed a billion times in this channel
stable sluice
The math.
teal hinge
Catfish
stable sluice
brah just changed his pic after sending a message
gusty phoenix
Do we always run pvp set bonus in rbgs as boomkin?
or is bell/some other trinket stronger?
primal bane
always
stiff reef
So i just used convoke twice and all it gave me was 10+ heal spells? only me + 1 target 25 yrds away (incombat with) was i just super rng'ed or did i do something wrong
gusty phoenix
ty
stiff reef
Rooted
stone nest
Well there’s your problem
stiff reef
i thought it could hit roots?
stone nest
Negative
fervent imp
In cat form does the combot point affect the convoke ?
For the dammage of ferious bite
azure kernel
convoke wont hit roots? But will try to hit cyclones 
abstract cloak
tiny oar
Just queued into an arms hpal wearing the prot pally leggo in 2s, like absolutely disgusting @clear pulsar
That's like playing guardian aff rdruid 2s with NOW equipped
lime light
hpal is broken enough without it
brave shuttle
brave panther
Hey guys I just scrolled up the conversation about balance lego.. I'm coming from pve so I just have boat. I am playing 2s and 3s. As 2 I feel like I can win only with convoke + incarnation. I just don't have enough damage to one shot someone. I have a mixture of pve 226 gear and 213 pvp. 23% versa and big chunk of mastery.. Can someone direct me to some "maths" about dreambinder. I feel like I always rely only on burst.. So dreambinder should be like more of a constant damage right? Shall I craft it? Use it always or switching with boat? In what circumstances in case?
sly marsh
In cat form does the combot point affect the convoke ?
i dont think so
pastel pagoda
What balance lego should I look to craft if i am going to be doing RBG as boomkin.
balance of all things?
jovial pine
@pastel pagoda Balance of all things is really good in any given situation tbh. Single target, multi-target, you name it
verbal hedge
So I've just joined the discord so I will comb through previous comments but I wanted to ask about feral legendaries for pvp. Is there a definitive answer for cats eye curio versus eye of fearful symmetry?
crude minnow
Craft BOAT first. Sometimes dreambinder is nice depending on what you're doing as well in rbgs
spare falcon
how is it possible that a rogue stays stealthed for the entirety of my rip?
hollow snow
yo whats the setup for rbg talent and nf
crude minnow
Depends on who is here. The short answer is if you rely on convoke, boat is better. Otherwise dreambinder is better.
Kinda have to play both and see.
jovial pine
how is it possible that a rogue stays stealthed for the entirety of my rip?
Cuz vanish clears all dots, im pretty sure.
Otherwise, cloak of shadows does that, and then he vanishes
hollow snow
Sub have a conduit that shields them during stealth, so it wont break
stable sluice
cloak doesn’t remove bleeds lol, it’s the conduit he just said
past latch
Verdant infusion good in pvp for resto ?
hardy cargo
Verdant infusion good in pvp for resto ?
Best leggo for resto in pvp so I'd say yes it is good
past latch
ty
burnt depot
loud wedge
Just queued into an arms hpal wearing the prot pally leggo in 2s, like absolutel...
Haha on ny hpal alt i run that leggy...im literally unkillable even with 190 item level avrage
loud wedge
never press starfall
3x boomies and a lock Vs 3x disc priest...you dont even consider starfall?
tardy hare
never
hushed bluff
Yea that is just goofy to starfall. On what planet would that kill someone. Yseras gift could probably heal through it
cold vale
If you know for sure a fight is going to last until healers oom, then 3 starfalls would be good in that comp, but that almost never happens. It's not really worth thinking about when starfall is usable imo
loud wedge
I will make it my life mission to starfall my way to 2400
stuck talon
spreist/affy/3x boomy, def rotted some teams out lol
cold vale
Sure, you can rot people over a few minutes, or just kill them in 2 globals with starsurges
loud wedge
Im only 2k rated atm, but i have yet to see a single team be able to swap targets and burst...
stuck talon
O.o, you can get 2k without that? rip lol
loud wedge
Rbg is broken lol
scarlet pelican
Hey guys its me again, so I have 1800 Conquest, I wanna buy weapon, what should I go for ? Staff or Mace and Off Hand, which option is better for PvP ?
I'm Balance btw
scarlet pelican
Hm
one gives haste and versa staff and the other gives versa and mastery 1h off hand
tribal edge
Hey guys, havent done pvp in a few expansions and i'm trying to figure out what's an easier climb and as what; arena or rbg, as what spec?
chrome panther
rbg in almost all cases.
2100 in rbgs is like 1800 in 3s in terms of player skill
tribal edge
Right, what's the best way to go about getting into rbgs, straight up pugging or is there a secret society i can sell my soul to?
chrome panther
yolo till 1500, then work your way up the groups
chrome panther
uh
dont damage pad with starfall
dont suffer toxic rbg leaders. alt hero of the X groups are a waste of time 9 times out of 10.
tribal edge
good to know, thanks a bunch
winter spindle
When we unlock Burrs for Niya, is Solar eclipse going to buff that damage as it’s nature?
Sounds pretty OP
chrome panther
I dont think they got to test it on beta so I dont think anyone knows
winter spindle
any other tips? any must buys from vendor other than trinket?
Starfall isn’t worth it, unless you’re playing a rot comp
chrome panther
still better off letting the other classes rot and you finish targets.
solemn flower
if I'm above 1600, do i need a win to trigger 213 in the vault?
timid drum
is there a good balance guide for rbgs?
tardy hare
if I'm above 1600, do i need a win to trigger 213 in the vault?
Yes
surreal loom
I just played another game and had FOURTEEN ferocious bites with 0 crits
This games RNG is unreal
acoustic nebula
What's your crit%
acoustic nebula
Yeah they were under 1590
forest kite
so they were 1488 before
acoustic nebula
1500
acoustic nebula
Maybe, idk how many games you have
hushed bluff
Mmr etc
acoustic nebula
If you have a hundred games around 1500 I don't think you'd jump major because it's where you belong according to wow
acoustic nebula
Good luck, is extremely hard to lose rating
tardy hare
Youre gonna have to lose a fuckton of games
acoustic nebula
You have to be very bad to lose rating under like 1800
tardy hare
To get below 1500 again
forest kite
do you guys play this game? i lose 5-10 rating per random yolo i get into
im 1550
thats like 5-8 games
how is that a fuckton lol
tardy hare
And at that time your mmr probably gonna be fucked and you'll gain like 80
acoustic nebula
I do, I'm 2.1k
tardy hare
Which you also couldve just gained by winning
forest kite
must be nice lol
acoustic nebula
You probably screw yourself by doing yolos and losing a lot
forest kite
probably right
primal bane
nobody said the rated system is fair
tardy hare
Hows the rating system unfair tho
primal bane
just the most likely reason you are gaining/losing those amounts
tardy hare
If anything the rbg rating system carries the lower players
acoustic nebula
Rating system is like, super easy for rbg
primal bane
do you think peopel who get 2k+ in RBGs are 2k material?
tardy hare
No
mossy crown
can agree to ^
primal bane
so whats the word that we use
mossy crown
we went in as a full pve guild, stomped our way to 2.1
no1 played rbgs ever in their life
acoustic nebula
It's always
primal bane
yeah i checked rankings
mossy crown
we had this rbg
primal bane
everyone and their whore mother are 2k and above
tardy hare
Everything is oneshotting if you just let it happen
mossy crown
one enemy paladin, bubbled
primal bane
a bit scary to see
acoustic nebula
RMP always in season
mossy crown
ran in to our backline
primal bane
how easy it is to land on 226 gear right now
mossy crown
and 2 shot 3 people
primal bane
very shit i might add
acoustic nebula
Wow is made for ages 8+ remember that
primal bane
letting the slowest melee i nthe game do pvp rotations on you
safe wind
Can I wear both the conquest AND honour vers/mast ring?
primal bane
and healers missing it entirely is cringe
tardy hare
Can I wear both the conquest AND honour vers/mast ring?
Yes
acoustic nebula
Yes adam
safe wind
Awesome, thanks ❤️
primal bane
im trapped
wary anchor
Balance, nightfae, 2's and 3's.
Am I better going BOAT or COAD? BOAT seems gimmicky, but might be nice for burst windows (Primarily play with lock/Hpal). COAD looks like it fits the rot I play in.
acoustic nebula
Then go with circle bud
wary anchor
That said, its for finger/head. Would there be a better slot for either?
(Do the conquest pieces give more stats?)
Prob going to go ring so I can get double haste rings
raw cargo
Been trying out Balanced and I’m having a hard time figure out how to do good damage outside of convoke? I just tend to feel useless after convoke. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I’m newer to PvP as well so it could just be that I’m bad 😂
primal bane
people who get 2k for no reason in RBGs, how do you find teams to carry you
tardy hare
Be a healer for easiest life
Disc or hpal tho : )
Boomy gets in any group tho
Just install fake achievement addon
Link 2.2k to groups
Gg
tardy hare
Fakeachievement
tardy hare
Aye
tardy hare
If they check ur Armory u gonna have to make a good story tho
tardy hare
Xd
primal bane
nah but
i might just link mythic denathrius
and see what idiot actually bites that
fun side activity
tardy hare
Rofl
cobalt gale
Starting to play balance on rbg and i'm seeing a lot of Timeworn Dreambinder leggo is it worth it? How do I play properly with it?
acoustic nebula
You don't
kindred galleon
Anyone played both NF and kyrian at high rating? What are your thoughts
I’m at 2.1cr 2.3mmr(playing with ww+healer) and feel like getting use of convoke is really hard
edgy shale
i mean NF vs. kyrian is the same at low rating as it is high. kyrian = more consistent 1 minute goes, NF = more setup reliant but powerful 2 min goes
i dont really think it gets too much more complicated than that
cobalt gale
5 with foe
Sorry for asking but what is Foe?
tardy hare
Fury of elune
cobalt gale
Oh kk ty
edgy shale
as a feral, i wish I could run kyrian while still being BiS for pve. I don't like having to rely on convoke
cobalt oyster
For Conflux vs Fury conduits, should I go with whichever I have the highest level of? Is there a winner if I have equal levels of them?
edgy shale
run both
cobalt oyster
I thought for Niya we only have 1 potency slot?
cobalt oyster
Is double potency better than burrs (when we get that)?
edgy shale
uhhh, I play feral so I really dont know much bout the specifics on boomy like that. But for feral is like 100x better, at least in pve. in pvp where people might dodge the burrs, I really don't know. I can tell u the interrupt poison is shit on boomy, so yea prob burrs
kind sail
anyone have tips for playing with a rogue -- low CR ~ 1600
sick edge
burrs?
kind sail
balance
acoustic nebula
Have rogue sap one and you Convoke
chrome panther
burrs + endurance conduit is better than potency + tools for boomy
assuming burrs isn't nerfed in pvp
cobalt oyster
burrs + endurance conduit is better than potency + tools for boomy
so for our 1 potency conduit, is it always conflux for night fae? or fury?
chrome panther
conflux
cobalt oyster
ty ^_^
primal bane
finally got 1.8k pugging only and its such a wild experience
ive learned how to read who is actually good at the game or not
xp is genuinely irrelevant
the most important attributes are max cr on the class this season
gear
then maybe lsxp as a nitpick
vital parcel
Okey guys, oath or barkskin lego if I wanna be unkillable?
safe heart
as a feral, i wish I could run kyrian while still being BiS for pve. I don't lik...
so for a strictly pvp feral you would strongly recommend going kyrian? ive been mulling it over for a week or so now whether i should switch
if im not doing rated arena, im queueing skirmishes for fun, i do not do pve content outside of just callings/world quests
edgy shale
yes
i would love to be able to go ky rian
u get stupid strong FF/kyrian goes every minute
where sum1 can easily die
if u just clone off target
stun kill target
safe heart
and i guess added bonus of not being easily countered
edgy shale
convoke is still a stupidly strong ability, I just don't like having to rely on it as much
safe heart
convoke for feral has so many win conditions required that im starting to feel like after i escape the casual zone i wont be able to pull it off anymore
but yeah the one shot potential when it lines up is huge
chrome panther
better off going kyr for phat 15k bites every minute 🤷
convoke is fun, but its not consistent at all.
safe heart
^^ thats exactly why im tempted to switch
and also blink is amazing lol
hollow vale
how do i beat a rogue as boomy? i get shit on so much
gilded mirage
Hi need a lil help from experienced arena ferals.. My main issue is i fail to create pressure outside convoke.. Like i do all the cc and shenanigans but i dunno whats the optimal rotation for creating mini burst windows or smth.. Having huge issues with healer+war or healer +monk and im stuck at 1,6 for ages
stuck talon
bear / thorns "laugh when they pop CDs into a barkskin", let healer recover and then dump surges into their face is the usual gameplan for me. rogue has got to be the easiest melee to beat for me
hollow vale
ok maybe its cos im not doing arena with a healer xd
stuck talon
oh yeah, def helps, double dps is pretty rough, ive had some success with mages if that helps you at all :/
hollow vale
should probly find me a hpala
stuck talon
yep lol, bop/AM + convoke is bonkers OP
acoustic nebula
Is kyrian ability still purge-able?
stuck talon
if it was before, yeah. no cov changes have hit patch notes lately
acoustic nebula
Yeah that's why I wouldn't change from nf to kyrian unless huge nerf
safe heart
night fae is very fun for sure
analog bay
Is double potency better than burrs (when we get that)?
I think when I simmed burrs was still like 100dps over 2nd potency conduit. I could be wrong on amount,but it was above having the conduit
stuck talon
burrs > double potency, expect nerf though, boomy already strong af
edgy shale
u expect a burrs nerf, why?
korayn is the same thing, the best option is tied to the endurance conduit
stuck talon
because its like 2-300 dps increase, will wind up being a pve nerf that translates to pvp
all speculation**
edgy shale
are the other cov end abilities worse?
chrome panther
for NF, yes
analog bay
I would hope everyone's at the end of the tree after 2 months of waiting would be at least good
chrome panther
Burrs has the potential to be insane if its not changed for pvp
stuck talon
are the other cov end abilities worse?
edgy shale
i don't mean NF, i mean in general. like is burrs that much crazier than all the other options
stuck talon
those numbers include burrs*
stuck talon
i was telling everyone that your moms a hoe
stuck talon
ya thats for boomy, i just mean in general
cant really speak for other classes, but for feral;
edgy shale
yeah, that's just thrown off a bit by the fact that NF is way better than other conduits for dps druids pve
the graph
chrome panther
druid gets insane endurance conduits
chrome panther
whi?
edgy shale
well honed insticts, the frenzied regen conduit
chrome panther
we deserve something ffs
stuck talon
correction on my numbers, its prob more like ~100dps for burrs;
edgy shale
it has fucked my groupmates over in ToP in boss where u need to kill each other. people are like WHY ISNT HE DYING
WHI baby
chrome panther
u guys just dont spam sit?
edgy shale
i do, i was regening thru it lol
stuck talon
fuck no, i hold convoke for it lol
edgy shale
lol
edgy hornet
chrome panther
yes
primal bane
#showtooltip Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/cast Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/use 13
anything else i need for a simple fully buffed incarn macro?
stuck talon
convoke? lol
primal bane
no no
without convoke
i already have convoke macro
but i realised how much better iti s to just use incarnation wit AP
instead of forcing convoke 1 shots all the time with it
safe heart
do you think the rogue discord is just like "omg guys i just one shot this guy!" followed by 58 other rogues ssaying "dude me too!"
stuck talon
no, we're actually crying because we got dunked on with nerfs because people cry to much lol
safe heart
The only class I actually feel is really unfair is paladin
surreal elbow
awc players say playing a 3s game as rogue feels like them running through risk in a james bond movie cuz of how much harder it is to play rogue in current meta
and when they jump on things like ww
ooga booga me smash keyboard
oh look 15 points
rogues aint no need more nerfs
chrome panther
wait whats fmage weakness
chrome panther
lets give mages cocoon on a 20sec CD
that also gives them 3layers of purge protection for combust
AND THEN lets let those barriers heal them based on damage absorbed with a conduit
crude minnow
Consistent damage is mages "weakness"
Isn't really a weakness when they can just stall till next burst
edgy shale
gpie kinda eliminates that tho, no? idk if mages are even bothering to run gpie atm tho
cuz they need to just be casting fireball
chrome panther
none of them run gpie anymore
its all about the swifty1shot combust every minute
then stall and be a livelord until you can do it again
edgy shale
ive seen xaryu run it sometimes, but i think thats most in 2s for cheese
royal tartan
Leg for guardian druid rbg ?
surreal elbow
nah gpy is good on comps that operate on bursty goes and downtime
crude minnow
Legacy of the sleeeeeeper
fathom oxide
Guys are the guides for resto pvp on icyveins legitimate?
surreal elbow
guides on veins can be quite iffy sometimes ngl
edgy shale
ask questions here
lean zinc
definitely not - it’s sick in 2s and situationally sick in 3s
guardian is safer in 3s tho
i get a lot of my 2s wins because of feral affinity
acoustic nebula
Hypotethically speaking, let's say you were balance druid i220. 1600 int, 6 crit, 10 haste, 16 mastery, and 30% verse. W/ 2pc trinket bonus, verse =~42% damage.. say i swap out the Int dmg trinket for Bell... I when i hit my trinket+incarn and hit convoke with Niya I go to 49% mastery.. maintaining 30% verse so would that damage increase be larger than incarn convoke with verse bonus?
tldr; 30% verse stays either way... but one gives me an extra 20% mastery (double dipping on incarn..)(40% more damage??), one gives 12% more damage (40% of 30 is 12, 12% damage from the bonus)
lean zinc
i think minmaxing around convoke is probably a mistake, i’d go with the additional consistency of the vers set bonus personally
even if it mathed out to be less during convoke (which it may or may not)
i know that isn’t exactly an answer to your question, but just my 2 cents
acoustic nebula
mathwise, bell would be higher than 2pc?
thorny venture
16% vers at 210 ilvl, no invite. 😄 Love this meta
acoustic nebula
they want you to have more verse
because that seems low compared to il
full like, 158 pvp gear gives you 16%
thorny venture
and? Ilvl beats vers still
acoustic nebula
They might not want to invite you because they think you dont have any pvp gear
thorny venture
yes, 16% vers in pve gear at 1881 cr. 😄
acoustic nebula
people are picky when its over like 1500
thorny venture
They're still stupid thinking vers means anything
edgy shale
just do what i do and lie about ur vers %
no1 is ever ognna check and add up ur vers and say WAIT A MINUTE
i have like 16% but i just say 23% in my RBG note
queen copper
Just don’t join groups that want specific vers percentages ??
thorny venture
Convoke dead. 😛
pallid coral
Convoke the Spirits no longer casts Full Moon and Feral Frenzy when engaged in combat with enemy players.
THEY BUFFED CONVOKE FOR FERAL
novel sky
Protection, Retribution
Word of Glory’s healing has been reduced by 20% in PVP situations.
nice
cobalt oyster
how bad is it folks
snow bluff
legendary recommendation for healing rbgs?
queen copper
how bad is it folks
boomy just doesnt full moon in convoke thats it
it was the expected change
cobalt oyster
full moon was pretty low chance anyway right
queen copper
1/5 per convoke
pallid coral
dampening change is pog
@unborn notch 20% chance with every convoke cast
its a secret
surreal heron
same as full moon, pulverize, flourish
surreal siren
Is there a rough rule of thumb for weighing up a higher item level piece compared to a lower one that has versatility on it?
stray sigil
its barely a nerf
thorny venture
it's actually a buff
tiny oar
This is it? wow
stray sigil
still shit 0 dmg ability
thorny venture
especially if you get another bite
vapid nexus
link to the notes?
trim moth
Convoke still seems really good for balance.
pallid coral
you'll allways get a thrash @stray sigil
pallid coral
don't think you can get 2
stray sigil
tf u mean u cant lol
pallid coral
?
edgy shale
does the significant spell overtake a bite, or another spell
pallid coral
we cast thousands of convokes to test it
edgy shale
convoke won't apply dots twice
pallid coral
and i don't think we ever got 2 thrashs
livid heart
The convoke nerf was actually the least nerfed thing
shadow dagger
doesnt this dampening change nerf feral/disc and feral/hpal comps?
edgy shale
FF def does more dmg than a bite, but obv over 6 seconds
livid heart
Ret screwed
livid heart
Be thankful for this small fix
edgy shale
if its a small buff or power neutral or whatever, i just can't believe they would touch feral before ww
stray sigil
does it cast thrash multiple time in aoe maybe
might be that
surges like 15k anyways
kekw
edgy shale
im gonna miss full moon in RBGs
waxen karma
I’m going to miss full moon because it wrecked.
rigid linden
The convoked nerf for feral is good
rigid linden
We can legit get a bite
stray sigil
KEKW
edgy shale
i just want sum1 to tell me if fferal frenzy would take the place of a bite, or like a shred. cuz i know we get ~4 guaranteed bites
also prot pallies btfo'd
edgy shale
there's some guarantees, u get like 9 main spells and 7 off
shadow dagger
this dampening change affect feral at all? probably a nerf right?
edgy shale
let me find the link
stray sigil
absolute dog ability
rigid linden
Convoke is an amazing ability
shadow dagger
i mean youre supposed to go kyrian for arenas anyways
rigid linden
The amount of games Ive won with it T 3k is more than 50%
stray sigil
4s of mine
livid heart
U full mooned maybe once every 5 full convokes
tiny oar
rigid linden
Oh true I actually have a secret of how it can bite in first 2 seconds
I'll let u figure it out tho
;)
stray sigil
na im not convoke anymore lol
edgy shale
stray sigil
couldnt take it
late stirrup
Im kinda new to SL pvp what is state of boomies and does this nerf affect its state much ?
edgy shale
yea so i was wrong, its not guaranteed 4 bites its just overwhelmingly likely
vital parcel
so is nf dream dead or still alive?
tiny oar
Does being in melee range of boomie convoke force more thrashes and useless shit?
stray sigil
apparently only casts dots once
vital parcel
also, where are the monk nerfs?
pallid coral
4 bites is just the average
tiny oar
Sad
vital parcel
Does being in melee range of boomie convoke force more thrashes and useless shit...
think so
pallid coral
I've seen giga unlucky ones where i get 2
vital parcel
but its random i think
pallid coral
and i've had a 7 before
@tiny oar thrashes take the place of healing
not boomkin spells
edgy shale
im not 100% sure about thrash, but out of ~1k convokes casts I've never had it reapply a rake
stray sigil
u guys have fun biting for 5k over and over
pallid coral
so
tiny oar
Yea just gotta save a maim for every boomie convoke as rdruid actually so fried
tiny oar
left spindle
That with all cooldowns plus Kyrian fuji?
scenic snow
what is a bt main @stray sigil
stray sigil
with bt and kyrian ya
quaint rapids
im over here doing 20ks
isn;'t that only during CA
quaint rapids
oh
edgy shale
i mean, maybe its not meme. I've def gone into skirmishes with my pve gear / BT and gotten like 18k crits
quaint rapids
boomy convoke got pretty much ko'd by this i think
quaint rapids
i play feral and never die to boomy convoke unless i get ohko by a full moon
edgy shale
lol i like that, just big dick into the ret + arms cleave
out dps their asses no fucks
quaint rapids
also
scenic snow
nah boomy convoke just lost it's RNG factor, now it's just big constant damage
quaint rapids
no comment about ret/holy using a prot leggo
scenic snow
no more half a second insane damage RNG kills
stray sigil
was def insane dmg
stray sigil
prob but i play curio
scenic snow
if you were counting on a 20% chance to win your matches you lost already
stray sigil
so bt feels nice
edgy shale
ahh that makes sense
stray sigil
kinda tunnels all ur dmg into zerk
but tbf feral leggo
matters fuckall
could play anything
and do fine
they all mediocre
edgy shale
yeah, i kinda wanna try draught and tunnel like I've lost my mind
quaint rapids
just run nfae, have two burst windows
edgy shale
dont blame u
tiny oar
Every feral frenzy should already be a burst window rite??
edgy shale
kyrian lets u focus on ur gameplan more
stray sigil
ya
ff with ur bash gos or maim
with kyrian
can just wait 1min for ur kindred + ff
and do insane dam
yes kyrian is less
"omg i wanna convoke this so bad but cant so i gotta set it up for 3mins"
more send ur dam
and bt is like dam all game
so its pretty pog
scenic snow
meanwhile the enemy also gets their defensives back while you wait
and the cycle repeats
stray sigil
with convoke its liek u gotta make it happen while they have no trinket
or
then its hpal
2 bops
bub
sac
but its fine no hpals this meta 
edgy shale
as sum1 who wastes thheir time in the meme mode that is 2s, im just glad they made some effort to fix it