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junior plover
thorny venture
Habit, I still think of it as combat myself
stone nest
Oh I’ve ran into like 2 of those
clear pulsar
Bro you gotta stop using pvpleaderboard.com to base all of your judgments off of
stone nest
Assassination isn’t terrible honestly. A little more consistent dam than sub.
clear pulsar
No one plays outlaw
clear pulsar
There's no outlaw in glad bro it's just someone who was doing m+
junior plover
Nah Ive ran into like 1 outlaw
clear pulsar
Before logging out
junior plover
sub is the m+ spec
clear pulsar
clear pulsar
Sub isn't 'the m+ spec'
stone nest
Yeah outlaw has some goodish aoe
thorny venture
I've seen more sub rogues
junior plover
https://clips.twitch.tv/DarkRelievedQuailOpieOP
thorny venture
In pve
lean zinc
outlaw is legit like the third best m+ performer in the game 
stone nest
I mean let’s be honest there 5 sub to every one outlaw
clear pulsar
Idk I thought you were big pveer kiosk
crude minnow
What yeah outlaw is the top performing melee
thorny venture
I haven't brought many rogues to dungeons, cause lulz melee
clear pulsar
Now you trying to tell me 'sub is the m+ spec' like bro
You're losing all the credibility
thorny venture
It is left overs from beta when sub was broken
stone nest
Idk anything about pve.
stone nest
I think we are going to see more assassination as the season goes on
junior plover
ye oki youre right
clear pulsar
I don't pve
junior plover
top rogues are 95% outlaw
clear pulsar
Idk bro
stray sigil
someone get me in 15s
junior plover
truth
thorny venture
top rogues are 95% outlaw
All 10 of them?
junior plover
All 10 of them?
stone nest
I’m sure I parsed 99 in the lfr I did. Can I do a +15?
tepid spoke
ye
thorny venture
I got my 1800 in rbgs and my enthusiasm for pvp went way down, and pvp on my alts is hell
clear pulsar
Looks like you were just chasing the carrot and not really liking pvp?
junior plover
rbgs is like if there was ranked aram in league
stone nest
Wrong chat for that one
junior plover
ye he can say that cuz his opinion is invalid
stone nest
Do mechanics change in higher keys?
junior plover
due to his nationality
thorny venture
Oh I absolutely only pvp if there's a reward. For me it was gear and the elite set. That's basically all I want out of pvp
junior plover
Oh I absolutely only pvp if there's a reward. For me it was gear and the elite s...
then get glad mount
stone nest
Can I get mindgames ina plague fall...
junior plover
thorny venture
I should say achievable rewards. I know I'm not a glad skill player
junior plover
Become one
stone nest
So there’s no double priest teams to bully me?
tepid spoke
rbgs is like if there was ranked aram in league
xd
stone nest
How the turn tables Fuji
surreal heron
pass
tepid spoke
glad we agree its my best take yet
i give you 10/10 tbh
clear pulsar
If you ain't playing feral like this don't even talk to me @stray sigil
junior plover
oh
stray sigil
iuts a wa
stone nest
That’s what I would say too...
clear pulsar
junior plover
Do you actually pvp like that?
clear pulsar
It's actually insane dam I swear bro
clear pulsar
This is my alt that I play resto on to try to teach a friend some pvp
Literally only play with this one friend on this alt
But I did play necro on main for like 3 days
clear pulsar
Yeah you get the picture
stone nest
Pass
clear pulsar
It's rough days
junior plover
clear pulsar
I mean I'm not really teaching more so just banging head into keyboard and yelling at him to press spells
clear pulsar
Hopefully one of lake's 5 alts is higher than 170 ilvl by now so we can spam some 2s
stray sigil
lakerz 
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stone nest
My biggest pvp frustration is my ww partner kites around pillars the same way I do so I can’t fucking heal him. Then we swap directions at the same time. Every time. Does anyone else have this problem
junior plover
markers
and shout at him
i do that too
and my healer shouts at me
calls me names
seems to work for him
stone nest
He’s always like do you want me to stand there and die. Like you are going to run and die that way buddy.
stray sigil
never my fault
if i die behijnd pillar no trinket
i blame my surv hunter
why cant he play mm ?
yup
works everytime
haughty compass
Positioning 101: make your healers life easier, while making theirs harder
junior plover
bonus points if he wasnt peeling you because he was casting revive pet
had this 2s game the other day
killed survi's pet
he refused to turtle
casted nothing but revive pet
for a minute straight
clear pulsar
Your hunter still kyrian as surv? What does the spell do other than pierce los? @stray sigil
junior plover
25% crit
junior plover
does anyone know if callings give 207 conduits if you have all the 200s
stray sigil
@clear pulsar
clear pulsar
Wtf
ripe nacelle
as resto what pvp talents should I take in 2's vs stuff like fmage/healer, ele/healer, mm/healer
junior plover
is the most broken spec
clear pulsar
People in lfg always ask you 'vers?' now
junior plover
in the game
junior plover
I mean
haughty compass
Lmao
junior plover
the groups are made up of
redditors
so theyre not wrong
the redditor leader will deny you the group
haughty compass
I got flames for not being in “tank spec” in eots
Meanwhile I carried the mid fight
junior plover
I get the
ripe nacelle
test - can i post in this channel?
junior plover
putting versa % in notes
if youre low cr
it means youre at least a pvper
but like
ripe nacelle
just lie about your vers, if they are asking for ppls % they probably arent smart enough to verify your stats
ripe nacelle
as resto in 2's what pvp talents should i take vs comps like mage/healer, ele/healer, mm/healer
clear pulsar
Lifebloom / master shapeshifter / motw or high winds
ripe nacelle
i feel like master shapeshifter doesnt do anything for feral affinity
stray sigil
@tardy hare noob lol
tardy hare
cr?
clear pulsar
Then dont play it
ripe nacelle
like its a broken talent
hasty dome
the proper talent selection for Rdruid is log out and log on to Hpal
stray sigil
@tardy hare 2.6 cuz i suck n havent qd feelsbamdna
stray sigil
@vestal citrus q up i want 0 vers free cr gogogo
clear pulsar
Doing the skirms weekly on alt druid
Faced this druid who popped rootbeam on my partner into incarn convoke
Lots of heals 
Fucking dumass
stray sigil
@tardy hare
clear pulsar
Vers is whatever like
hasty dome
even Whazz didn't know there are rules to pulling off convoke. He was getting frustrated lol.
clear pulsar
If you have no vers it means you have a lot of the other stats
clear pulsar
If you're like feral v feral and you have 1100 mastery, your bites will 100% be bigger than his
On one another
thorny venture
I still think ilvl beats vers, but pvpers think vers is an indication of skill
junior plover
If you have no vers it means you have a lot of the other stats
yes
but you still die
to my fart
ye ilvl > vers for sure
foggy ravine
primary stat > vers > whatever
hasty dome
the 40% verse from double trinkets aside, it's easy to see if a higher ilvl non verse piece is better. Effective health weakaura.
junior plover
Just be full conquest gear
so you dont have to worry about checking whats better
foggy ravine
okay thats actually worth
junior plover
id probably wear that 220 ring over a 226 versa crit
hasty dome
almost got that ring out of heroic raid last night. No dice though.
foggy ravine
but 226 ring would be effort to get
junior plover
i wouldnt bother with hc raid gear if ure 1800
altho again maybe 213 versa mastery > 220 versa crit
foggy ravine
resto boomy atleast both haste and mastery are good so doesn't matter too much
hasty dome
it's a pretty fun raid consider it's the first of the xpac. You not allowed to pve if you consider yourself a real PVPer?
junior plover
Nahh
im saying dont bother with pve gear
if u enjoy the raid
fucking slap it
but dont sweat raid drops
vast vapor
did whaazz already start boomkin and went NF with it?
foggy ravine
I mean i'll touch it eventually just takes time commitment and cba with a pug struggle
hasty dome
yeah, Whaazz figuring out convoke isn't a click and win lol. Doesn't help the wall of 40k HP players you have to get through sub 1600 rating
foggy ravine
everyone is afraid of convoke
but I just want the juicy surges afterwards
niya mastery buff mmmm
hasty dome
kyrian gives the juicy surges
junior plover
Yeah tbf
I end up fishing for 2-3 convoke spells
quite often
just to proc mastery
foggy ravine
both do
thorny venture
PvP is gonna be hell for new chars in a couple more weeks
vast vapor
I'd so much like to be kyrian already
hasty dome
I do feel like the NF 1st soulbind is better designed than pelegos'. Picking up orbs is stupid.
hasty dome
definitely when you're trying to cast.
foggy ravine
if I didn't play resto as well as boomy I'd swap kyrian no hesitation
thorny venture
Pelagos wasn't considered op for the mastery, it was the eventual double potency and free vers before it was fixed to be magic dr
hasty dome
Wasn't saying either mastery buffs are OP or not, but they do have high value. Just saying one has better QoL design on getting most out of it each use.
foggy ravine
fer shore
junior plover
Ye it feels pretty good to just press convoke and get 400 mastery
thorny venture
At one point Pelagos gave more mastery due to his mechanic
junior plover
im 334 mastery at 219 ilvl
silent hare
is it true that WW Monks just press Fists and win?
junior plover
so to more than double it at the exact time when I want that mastery
foggy ravine
no they have to summon pet army first
junior plover
is a feelsgood design
thorny venture
They press weapons and then fists haha
tough osprey
Lol
vast vapor
im not sure how im gonna live without soulshape anymore
hasty dome
nerf their 90% slow...
thorny venture
But it comes with a minor dps boost
I don't think I'd ever want to be a Kyrian druid
vast vapor
xuen op for tanking convoke
hasty dome
they can keep the parry. Remove the craziest slow in the game
junior plover
root him
it
yeah tbh i dont mind the slow too much because i have wild charge
and soulshape
so i never stay in it
hasty dome
clone xuen then convoke
vast vapor
yeah
clear pulsar
WW cd stacking is absurd rn yeah lmao
thorny venture
I'm sad cause I want a night fae monk, but Kyrian is too good
vast vapor
theres so much setupping
foggy ravine
no
edgy shale
mass root
junior plover
losers
foggy ravine
unless mass entangle
edgy shale
so yes
edgy shale
good
foggy ravine
ya you can mass entangle once without wasting a rootbeam
junior plover
not good when u wanna convoke
junior plover
fair enough
foggy ravine
if roots on cd and you need to kick something I suppose, like convoke
junior plover
multi glad is malding over resto druid being op
this is why we cant have nice things
vast vapor
yeah druid must be the broken thing there
pretty sure that post doesnt mean comp but individially mage, ret and druid tho
blissful belfry
according to every player in my guild, boomy is free 2.4 rating. Need to nerf that, and also the other druid spec on the sideline just to make sure
junior plover
Reddit balance team:
Ret, WW, Hpal, Prot Pal, Fire Mage, Sub Rogue, Resto Druid, Ele Shaman, Shadow Priest, Boomkin & Feral convoke, Arms warrior are broken
vast vapor
same here and still theres none 2.4 players in our top mythic guild
cold escarp
boomy now reminds me of 3min mage in classic
junior plover
we gotta nerf them
foggy ravine
pom pyro into flame reflector lul
blissful belfry
dumb hunters in the guild ''I dIeD tO cOnVoKe, It Is BrOkEn'' while having 50 games this season and 1400 cr
blissful belfry
They could regularize the rng
junior plover
Yep
blissful belfry
to make it less wild
junior plover
They should average out the damage
make the spells sequential
but the average damage is fine
cold escarp
i havent been able to get one good convoke out at 1800+ rating, pp just know what to do
thats why i swapped to kyri
vast vapor
its insane to me how ppl dont bitch about combust as much as convoke
blissful belfry
People are crying about needing to use a defensive when someone uses all his offensive cooldowns. Like come on, what are your defensive for anyway? if you aint wanna use them vs big off cds
junior plover
war kitty
cold escarp
dont even need to use def vs convoke just any short cc or kick
junior plover
I personally think
huge take
that mage damage is fine
its everything else mage
thats not fine
cold escarp
if they were glass cannon it was fine but they are tanks
junior plover
Combustion can be dispelled
vast vapor
being able to solo in 2secs every 60-80secs from 100 to 0 is definetely broken damage
junior plover
rogues can do that to
and monks
and rets
and boomkins
and ferals
and spriests
blissful belfry
Im much more stressed trying to stop combust than convoke. I stop convoke i know im fine for a goddamn while. Combust? 1- i dont know exactly when it'll come back up. 2- its every 1 min to 1min 20
primal bane
i think 2 fmages 1 hpal is unstoppable if fmages are even decent at the game
junior plover
The problem is that mages get to go 20 times a game
because they never die
if they only had 2-3 goes per game
like RPM used to be
thered be no issues
pair a mage with a hpal in 3s and you can literally go 10 times before youre under any threat of dying
solid wraith
Mind games
junior plover
Monk Mage Paladin is this meta's evolution of rmp
and it is indeed better
in pretty much every way
mind games and aoe fear are good tools to have tho
and mc
vast vapor
just cloning between
solid wraith
Thats druid in genral
junior plover
thats casters for ya
vast vapor
yeah I wish I was kyrian
junior plover
Yeah mage gets no damage in between goes as well
blissful belfry
yeah, but we Night fae
blissful belfry
when i queue 3s, i kill in convoke, or i peel for 3 min for it to come back. I dont kill anything in between
junior plover
I mean thats the point of your spec
tho
play affli
if you dont like that
or any melee
hear me out
remove cyclone fear dr
blissful belfry
lol
solid wraith
Does poly dr with clone
blissful belfry
no
junior plover
rword detected
solid wraith
Noob q
junior plover
man feral disc would be so good if clone didnt have fear dr kek
blissful hemlock
feral disc would be very good
blissful belfry
Hear me out, remove clone cast time!
junior plover
^ good take
blissful belfry
solid wraith
XD
junior plover
You know how ferals get free regrowth/roots every time they bite
obtuse ice
Disc feral is already super strong what are you even talking about
blissful belfry
xD
blissful belfry
every surge grants you a free clone instant cast, stacking up 3 times
solid wraith
Whats a good 2s comp for feral
junior plover
Disc Holy Priest or Holy Pala
vast vapor
should just find a great one
junior plover
all slap with feral
solid wraith
Is double dps still viable
solid wraith
I seen mage feral killing it in 2.4 on yt
junior plover
Feral mage too ye
blissful belfry
ret and feral seems stong because of all the off heals they still put out
vast vapor
prolly can play mage solo at 2.4
solid wraith
My main is mage but I wanted get in on the convoke shenanigans
junior plover
My main is mage but I wanted get in on the convoke shenanigans
You'll be target in 2s with dps
wont have too much convoke fun
solid wraith
Ya I feel that
edgy shale
i swear every priest i play with ooms instantly dont get how to compete wih paly
junior plover
Getting clone fear setups with a priest is super satisfying tho
clone fear into 5cp maim convoke
haunts my dreams
blissful belfry
your first convoke you make your team cc the others and you convoke incarn outta stealth, then for the second use (if you live til there) you set up some cc chains and isolate a convoke on your target after cc-ing everything
junior plover
i swear every priest i play with ooms instantly dont get how to compete wih paly
tell them to stop using pw:shield
dummies
solid wraith
I just hit 60 like 2 days ago n started gearing
Its hilarious how many don't int convoke in random bgs
junior plover
But yeah your goal is to win before you oom
blissful belfry
lol wat did dey do again
junior plover
I was on board till last sentence tbh
vast vapor
:DDD
solid wraith
😹 😹
blissful belfry
yep
vast vapor
I think pretty many ppl think its not
junior plover
I swear to god every thread about balance
you have people with flairs
"5k xp BFA"
commenting
"its impossible to get out of 1400"
blissful belfry
its hard to argue sometimes. You hear people out and you just realize a chair could understand you better
junior plover
mage too busted
ww too strong
ret too bursty
hpal too tanky
prot pala too healy
cant play the game
solid wraith
Dude you can dispel combustion, they don't need a nerf, his team needs better cc and/or a healer with a brain
junior plover
No mage actually is busted tho
blissful belfry
1400 cr players crying about every possible spell in every spellbook
solid wraith
They are really good ya
hasty dome
WW is a bit overtuned
blissful belfry
''Hibernate is soooo busted man, druids can sleep my pet. Nerf it man cmon''
solid wraith
The barrier legendary its on new levels of op
solid wraith
Shit doubles your health & HEALS YOU with the right conduit
vast vapor
its fun how every lfg team I apply to which has mage in I get denied almost instantly
they know their value
junior plover
yeah they have like 100 people to choose from im sure
i can find jungle partners in 2 min
but fmp
never
solid wraith
Mage in pvp > Tank spec characters
blissful belfry
''Boomies are busted! They can sit in bear all day and be immortal!'' Yeah, big dam bear mangles tho eh!
junior plover
Mage is legit the tankiest spec after hpal/ret
vast vapor
:D
junior plover
lol
hasty dome
You don’t play hpal for the risk. You play the hpal for the safe win with warrior or WW
blissful belfry
lfg is pretty stupid, every group is looking for people above their cr, and everyone applying is 250 cr below yours
when you go lfg you just have to resign yourself to take someone with lower cr
junior plover
im still playing 2s right now but i am scared of the moment i swap to 3s in 2 weeks or so
hasty dome
M+ is same way
vast vapor
I always have to apply to 250 lower groups than me to get in as balance
hasty dome
Really? Balance is meta
blissful belfry
yeah, i pretty much stopped lfg, i queue with friends. At least i know they suck
vast vapor
then boost them out the sub 2k doggo ratings and get stuck there
vast vapor
which caster even is worse
vast vapor
yeah maybe
hasty dome
Yeah, dot protection
vast vapor
yup my only wow friend has sp but his pc just broke rip
junior plover
kek
vast vapor
wanna que that
blissful belfry
im queuing with a dh and a rsham lately, ebcause the dh is the only decent player i know in pvp. His main utility is just to chaos nova on my convoke
blissful belfry
The hunt is really good, and really lackluster too sometimes. Idk, its a weird spell
vast vapor
yeah
vast vapor
its also not the greatest pressure between cds
junior plover
yeah but you can kite really well and stall
DH boomie rsham as a damp comp
doesnt sound bad at all
blissful belfry
im queuing at 2.1 and under. Dh rsham boomy. Feels like our only win comp is a good convoke set-up or the aftermath of it. With the occasionnal win on a hunt crit
junior plover
You never win on mana?
blissful belfry
im playing boat night fae
junior plover
blissful belfry
no
blissful belfry
we dont lose on mana either
blissful belfry
i dont think dh run that anymore
blissful belfry
2s is much more dampening / ooming meta
junior plover
yep
blissful belfry
3s idk
i think people die before you go oom
at least at 2.1 rating and under
What i like the most about convoke, is that games are really fast when you win on the open, grinds games much faster
thorny venture
Regarding mages, only mages would be sad if there was an expansion where they weren't the best pvp caster
edgy shale
I think i gotta stop playing w/ preist then, cuz I dont wanna lose just cuz I couldn't setup burst in the 30 seconds it takes for him to go oom
i want at least 2 convokes befoer my healer ooms
obtuse marsh
Why am I struggling so much in 3s this season? I got to 2k last season when boomy is shit but now it’s good and I am literally hard stuck at 1.4k
No healers seem to be able to heal through opening burst of teams. I’m forced into bear quite soon after coming out of stealth. I pre-wall stuns and rotate defensives and cc and then just crumple less than 30 seconds into the game
kindred galleon
You dont have to prewall?
tawdry egret
hey guys, what trinkets would you reccomend for boomie in rbgs?
primal bane
whats prewalling
tawdry egret
@obtuse marsh try with hpala
thorny venture
hey guys, what trinkets would you reccomend for boomie in rbgs?
if it's pvp, you may as well use a medallion and the insignia of your choice.
winter spindle
I think the Kyrian bell is better as it gives the same amount of mastery practically on half the CD
tawdry egret
true, but dont have a bell yet
winter spindle
I saw a night fae boomy at 2900 rating though and he was using IQD and medallion so can’t be that bad
Obviously you want it to proc off mastery so you need that to be on of your highest stats
safe heart
As a druid the toughest lesson i (sortof) learned is that bailing early and often is typically the best way to live
Most classes are kitable as a druid and learning when and how to run away is helping my survive game immensely
Its making me like resto aff alot more lately too over guardian
Plus if you're boomkin, the second they leave you alone , just press convoke and win the game
gusty arrow
Do you play Solstice or Fury in 2s as NF Balance?
fiery gust
i play fury
gusty arrow
hmm
even as nf ? I guess as kyrian its very nice
since you can use it every 1 min
oh thats true
didnt thought about badge
edgy shale
its kinda weird that badge gives crit
livid wasp
so fucking tired of broken ass moonkins and especially broken ass moonkins who abuse convoke
edgy shale
forest kite
does anyone know how to add covenant abilities to omnibar
i tried the custom spells and import the spell id but its not showing up still
junior plover
spend 15 min looking for pugs
narrowly lose game 1
they both leave
every fucking time
i swear to god
livid wasp
maybe we just have to sit on night fae moonkins instead of going for the other target
cause theyre gonna do that convoek shit from 100 yards every time
junior plover
I mean yea
edgy shale
that's def the most annoying part of pugging pvp. lose a game and people just leave. just can't really expect to get too much outta pugging
junior plover
Doesnt help that jungle and fmp are cancerous af to pug
because theyre so setup reliant
edgy shale
I think im just done playing w/ priest i want pala
safe heart
"Let's play set up based comp with no comms"
hunter never throws a trap
Ppl always say like "if we win x games we can comms"
Why the social anxiety geez
Or better yet
Throws trap on kill target while you're going
junior plover
Bigger problem is
no one knows when the fuck to go
with no comms
like sure they'll trap healer on cd pretty much
safe heart
Exactly
junior plover
but then what
I need to have space to clone the other target
or the preist has to come and fear
safe heart
Like I get some of the 2k+ ppl have a good sense for that stuff I guess but newer players like me need to voice that kinda coordination
The struggle of slowly building that circle of players who are down to actually play with you
junior plover
Yeah well
glad players can play at 2.1k mmr without comms
because they understand the gamestate
at any given point
If the hunter throws a trap my priest just wont come to fear
which means i have to spend 2+s trying to find a clone on the offtarget and hope that the hunter realizes this is a go
safe heart
No I'm right there with you on that
Its alot of expectations to think everyone will know when the go happens
junior plover
Yee
At this point i should just play resto in 3s with like arms dk
and call it a day
would probably have more success than my main role
after not healing for 5+ years
edgy shale
i gotta find hpal ww to play with or some shit
literally just braindead pve them
a strategy fitting my pvp skill level
thorny venture
just play RBGs unless you specifically need glad
junior plover
Nah I need to be good at the game
I dont give a shit about rating
I wanna be a 2.4k player
true
thorny venture
Maybe there's something deficient with me, but I absolutely despise people who will kill the same person 3v1 over and over when you know they can't fight back
safe heart
Yeah I'm aiming to be a 2.4 player too
I started recording and reviewing and everything
We out here
forest kite
anyone try using that divine kyrian bell?
631 mastery seems out of control and the WQ for it is up right now
edgy shale
its insane for boomy
thorny venture
I'm not that way, I'll defend a faction mate that's outnumbered, but I rarely ever engage world pvp first, especially not when I know the opponent has no chance, or worse, gives no honor
edgy shale
for feral, not as much
forest kite
gotcha gotcha thanks
gentle pecan
I played on my boomie after a while , and noticed some games convoke doing only 1 starsurge, i dont think that was happening as frequently a week ago. Is there a stealth nerf or something changed?
forest kite
not that i've noticed, still bonkenrs
bonkers* i've been getting full moon procs usually at least once a game too
gentle pecan
full moon once a game 😄 you should buy a lottery ticked 😛
ruby vortex
For NF moonkin running BOAT, do you build full ap, eclipse (proc boat), convoke? Or after eclipse do you dump the AP with starsuge and then convoke?
golden island
With Taste for Blood conduit do you open with rake then rip or rake+thrash then rip?
primal bane
what u do vs rogue mage in 2s
thorny venture
pray your healer lives the initial burst
thorny venture
Same as you did in BfA
Heaven forbid fire mage isn't good in pvp for one freaking season
crude minnow
Don't just pray. Do something. Give hard cc. Give pressure
primal bane
ok
i just rootbeamed the mag
he trinketed
and he still killed someone in one global
disarm rogue rootbeam mage
irrelevant for them
junior plover
If you disarmed rogue and beamed mage
And your healer still died
Your healer sucks
Pretty much this
And if you're a haste boy you can literally incap into clone
It's so free
thorny venture
After BfA my personal wish was for fire to be the worst pvp spec for an expansion, let something else exist
rigid coyote
safe heart
Usually I just ask healer to be generous with the cd's and I focus exclusively on bashing maiming cloning till combust is down
tiny oar
No pls I have 3 kids need my 2 viewers to live
stray sigil
ur fucking done
floral aspen
HASte master for balance in pvp right?
abstract cloak
I have 226 heavy vers low haste chest and a 213 heavy vers low mastery ring; I can only afford a 190 dreambinder this week
Where do I put it
thorny venture
I'm so tired of fire mages, it's been more than 2 years
verbal fractal
Quick question: Whats the go to boomey build for rbgs?
safe heart
I'm more salty about paladin than fire mage
thorny venture
Paladins can and will get nerfed. Blizzard doesn't dare let mages not be good in pvp
verbal fractal
Paladin is really strong sustain and they have an immunity
safe heart
Paladin defensive should be more like real defensives not "oh sorry I have 3 flavors of immunity to reset with no skl"
thorny venture
WoG will be nerfed to 30% effectiveness in pvp or get a mana cost
ebon vortex
all pala specs, fire mage, ww are the specs that needs nerfs the most rn
convoke shouldnt be able to cast full moon in pvp imo
thorny venture
Like how did Blizzard think a simple CD on gpie was enough for fire, 😄
floral aspen
Anyone know why haste is taken over mastery in pvp?
thorny venture
faster casts are better casts
ebon vortex
damage should also be tuned down a bit in burst windows in general
but increased overall
with a buff to every healer except hpalla imo
and rshammy should have riptide healing tuned down a little
its sad because the pvp meta is really close to being good but theres some specs that are garbage and some that are just insane
floral aspen
healers def dont need a buff, hpals just need a nerf
ebon vortex
resto druid and mw need either massive changes or a buff
mw is just dead in the water and resto druid is like 3x harder than palla to win with lol
floral aspen
i mean that depends what youre doing
ebon vortex
rshammy doesnt have the most insane healing but they also have a huge amount of tools to play around burst
ebon vortex
disc has some very strong offensive capabilties
primal bane
with like the most busted comps in the game
anythign that cant win in 2-3 go's max is shit with resto
like u can literally do more than double dmg than enemy team
ebon vortex
pretty much
primal bane
and u still lose to oom with resto
ebon vortex
had most success as resto with arms and fire mage
ebon vortex
also compare like
ns to divine favour
divine favour heals 20k w/ an infusion proc on a 25s cd
ns heals around the same amount with a sotf proc on a 60s cd
most of my wins have been because of setting up good cc really
before i go oom lol
primal bane
i feel like
u run oom way faster these games
and drinking is a huge deal
than in bfa
ebon vortex
yea like 10% drinks have completly changed games
in my experience
also another shitty thing which is kinda due to the way they designed pvp gear
mastery is such a good stat but because you want vers you dont have a huge amount of it
also theres some insane rating deflation this season
with the majority of people concentrated around 1400
like 50% of the playerbase are 1200-1500 which makes me feel much better about 1750 lol
i mean look for yourself
youd be surprised how low a rating puts you in the top 10% of players
surely pvp participation didnt increase that signifignatly
would explain why in bfa s1 and 2 i was 1800 and garbo at game, 2100 in s4 and now i cant even break 1.8 on my druid lol
that being said tho i know a vengence dh that got 1400 in 2s lmfao
idk 1800 felt way easier bfa s1
thorny venture
There's no pvp scaling either so "bad" people can get carried by gear too
ebon vortex
like i didnt know shit about talents, positioning, cc or anything
thorny venture
not nearly as much as it is this season
ebon vortex
8.3 brackets were very inflated tbf
dusty tundra
What talents for Bgs as boomie?
safe heart
I'm 206 and it's rough pushing close to 1600
thorny venture
Everyone complains about the gearing, but if you play every week it's very easy. People coming in late are going to be so far behind
ebon vortex
my hpalla is 207 and it didnt feel that bad in 3s
tho it is a hpalla lol
this season is also the first time i fotm'd which feels bad lol
thorny venture
Gear can't be "measured and slow" while also mattering as much as it does in pvp, or you best play first week each season
or play fotm like boomie in rbgs
ebon vortex
yeah i got 207 in a week
1400 is easy to get to and the conquest cap for new characters is like 4k now
plus unrated gear is 197
if you can get to 1600 its a shitload of 213 gear
thorny venture
I'd disagree about 1400 being easy
edgy shale
wait what
how is 1400 not easy
Im so trash at this game and i thought 1400 was easy
how is it humanly possible to get stuck at 11
ebon vortex
prolly more xp i guessl ol
thorny venture
It depends entirely on class
I can easily get 1600-1800 on most healers, dps, I've been stuck under 1400 before
ebon vortex
hadnt played holy pala once in my life and i still got 1400 with using bop like twice lmfao
thorny venture
that's holy paladin
ebon vortex
thinking about it 1400 wasnt too hard as resto either
i mean there was a point it felt 1800 was possible
w/ resto/affli
then i went on a loss streak and rerolled hpalla from getting too tilted lmfaoi
thorny venture
healers are easier in my opinion. You can save yourself from your own mistakes usually
ebon vortex
would disagree
defo not in this meta
if you burn all your cds too fast you 100% will lose
thorny venture
maybe it's just me. I will almost always been roughly 200-300 points higher on any healer than I can on dps
ebon vortex
ive always played healer, dont think i could get the same rating on dps
edgy shale
as a dps player, I've always thought it looked hard to play healer well. Keeping urself outta harm's way, while also knowing when its times to go in and cc
ebon vortex
each role defo has differences
clear pulsar
Yeeeeah bro 1400 is literally the lowest rated bracket
thorny venture
And? I've seen people lose rating under 1k
clear pulsar
It's like saying idk bronze 3 is hard
'And' the literal lowest point in the ladder cant by definition be difficult
thorny venture
And the most populated bracket in many rated games is the lowest bronze league you know
clear pulsar
Thats 1. Not true, 2. Doesnt really mean anything
edgy shale
that actually does tend to be true. most of the playerbase in mobas is in bronze/silver equivalent
I kinda doubt most players are 1400 in WoW tho
crude minnow
Idk its all relative. Don't beat yourself up over being low or lower than you'd like. just do what you like and try to get better
clear pulsar
Yeah no shit now you are adding up 2 different brackets
edgy shale
he said most populated bracket, its usually like 25-30% in each or more
clear pulsar
I have never seen a game where bronze has a larger portion of the playerbase than silver, cant think of one where it's bigger than gold either.
thorny venture
In HotS for example, the most populated bracket is absolutely bronze 5
trail ember
anyone know what the guardian legendary is for RBG flag carrying? Legacy of the Sleeper i think?
clear pulsar
Maybe in league
edgy shale
im relatively certain bronze is more populated than gold in league
would have to double check for this season
edgy shale
i think dota too, but there's not that many dota 2 players
crude minnow
hots and its overall team level system is the stupidest shit on the planet
clear pulsar
Idk like why is this even a debate rn bro
The lowest rated bracket cant be difficult
edgy shale
for an experience pvper of course not, but I think the point he was making is just that 1400 might be difficult for a majority of the playerbase
that might be true for the entirety of the playbase, but def not the pvp playerbase
thorny venture
It's the same in PvE, the vast majority of players will never time a +10 or kill a heroic raid boss
clear pulsar
And what is the point of saying that?
thorny venture
You can't just say, "1400 is easy" when if that was true, way more would get it?
clear pulsar
Idk if u can equate 1400 to heroic raid
crude minnow
people dont pvp though
still trout
way more could get it if they cared to lol
thorny venture
Heroic shriekwing, absolutely
clear pulsar
1400 is easy ofc you can say that
crude minnow
like some just dont like it
still trout
1400 is literally the bare minimum
it would be like saying why isnt everyone in the world bronze or now iron in league? cause everyone doesnt play league or even play ranked
if you played enough on any spec in the game you can get 1400 if you cared enough
clear pulsar
It's pretty silly to start comparing game modes imo. In the context of pvp as its own aspect of the game, absolutely 1400 is easy. Its the literal lowest bracket.
edgy shale
ya, I think u can still say "x" is easy even if the majority of the playbase isn't at that point, cuz ur assuming they have eyes and a brain. Like I would 100% say gold is easy as shit in league if u know wat ur doing at all
crude minnow
If you wanted to compare the rating of everyone who has played at least 100 games of 2s/3s/etc you'd get a more meaningful number
edgy shale
everyone playing league, plays league. or aram or some dumb shit. most of the wow playerbase is basically playing an entirely diff game
safe heart
I think 1400 can be difficult for beginners who need to learn the dynamics and about classes they dont play
still trout
right
crude minnow
In my 14-16 person heroic raid, like 4 of us pvp
safe heart
I've learned alot while hovering 1400--1600
thorny venture
Given there's people with 100 games+ losing rating under 1200 if not 1000, eh...
crude minnow
Sure but those people are really bad
safe heart
I have literally 1100 games and my highest rating 1589
thorny venture
and there's a lot of them
clear pulsar
If you don't know the rules of how each piece moves, it's also difficult to beat the tutorial in lichess or something
crude minnow
Difficulty is relative. For me, it depends on the class, gear, time ive spent, who im playing with, etc.
raw glade
anyone know what the guardian legendary is for RBG flag carrying? Legacy of the Sleeper i think?
crude minnow
Yes
clear pulsar
Yeah legacy of the sleeper
crude minnow
30s immunity to cc is OP
clear pulsar
Insane leggo
raw glade
ty
crude minnow
TBF I do think it is disingenuous and disconnected to say stuff like "boomy isnt hard just xyz and get 2400". I see that thrown around alot
thorny venture
So this is a HotS example which probably uses a very similar mmr calculation. No idea if League or Dota puts out super nice data like this. This came from a Blizzcon from a few years ago. https://i.imgur.com/jBYz1dR.png I'd equate 1400 as probably silver level? Though I find HotS easier than WoW pvp myself.
edgy shale
i don't think thats necessarily true lol
safe heart
I think the difficulty of 1400 can be better described as a sliding scale of how likely you are to carry your duo or trio perhaps
edgy shale
altho its def the easiest moba by a wide margin
by mobas are complex by nature
but*
crude minnow
disconnected tbh
crude minnow
muscle memory and input dexterity are massive. things you dont think about
safe heart
Like earlier we were talking about hunters trapping healers on cd
edgy shale
u should be developing that while leveling n shit tho lol
altho there's a ton of clickers
bro quest mobs are hard
still trout
I mean the whole argument as to what you compare it to in other games or game modes doesn’t make sense lol
It’s all perspective
And it’s even less accurate cause pvp isn’t the whole game, most people never even touch pvp
It is a fact that it’s literally the lowest rank, and considering I’m 1400 on my two alts that are 165 iLvL, I’d say it’d be not that hard to get 1400 on geared characters.
thorny venture
depends entirely on skill
still trout
For sure
If you find an equally skilled or driven player I’m positive even the worst player can learn and get 1400 tho
thorny venture
I likely can't on mage or rogue, but certainly can on healers
junior plover
So this is a HotS example which probably uses a very similar mmr calculation. No...
This would put 2k rating at like Diamond 2
Fair enough
crude minnow
To change the topic, whats with every rbg squad having apparent egirl drama that is visible immediately
stuck talon
does windshear go through bop?
crude minnow
Anytime I find a "group of rbgers who have been doing this for a while" there is like 2-3 egirls and the drama is like in general chat of discord
crude minnow
Yeah idk if I even wanna get 2400 in rbgs because the quality of people (personality) has taken a dive
tiny oar
The egirl drama is the best part of rbgs tho
crude minnow
I dont mind the egirls as much as the lead simp
thorny venture
bleh, how can people like this bg addon that takes so much of your screen
edgy shale
that supports my theory that RBG players are the most dramatic in this game
and angriest sometimes
thorny venture
inflated rating makes them think they're good
damn it blizzard, turn off warden in gravity lapse
lime light
surreal heron
copper lintel
On a fresh druid so no rating, how worthwhile is getting the conquest wep vs 197 honour one if I might not be able to upgrade it for a bit
formal sparrow
If you have enough conquest to get weapon and plan on getting enough rating to get it to 213, then get weapon
thorny venture
I'm just feeling discouraged playing any alts in pvp. 😦
tiny oar
I think the secret to big cr push is play better than every1 u fight
And break their ankles ofc
Hot take?
thorny venture
5-8 at 478 rating so far on my mage, I'm pretty sure I'll end up under 1200 on this char, 😄
edgy shale
facerson, what's ur bite to rip ratio in arena
thorny venture
I'd rather play something I'm good at like a healer then bash my head in, may try some rbgs
clear pulsar
facerson, what's ur bite to rip ratio in arena
I cant think of it rn but I wanna say they're usually about the same? Maybe like bite around 25% of my damage, rip and rake around 18% each!?
thorny venture
Cause I love mage in PVE, but PvP is gear
edgy shale
oh really? with how much y'all talk about bite, I thought i might have been ripping too much
edgy shale
ya, makes sense
thorny venture
I lie, I actually like frost mage pvp, but no one plays with you. 😄
gusty sentinel
best lego for rdruid rbg?
tiny oar
Mother tree with early spring pvp talent
stiff karma
whats the best 2s partner with a boomkin?
edgy shale
hpal
stiff karma
ok thanks
thorny venture
I dunno, in rbgs I play balance, press my buttons, root/beam occasionally and win
formal sparrow
Poggers, got to 1800+ RBG rating as guardian
bronze drift
forest kite
in a rbg team fight, how much time are u using cc versus dpsing? trying to work out if im spending too much time casting cyclone. for balance
kindred galleon
I mostly press haymaker and typhoon on LM
tiny oar
Hello @bronze drift
fallow thunder
@forest kite it's not about overall time spent cloning for example, but when and why you're doing it
fallow thunder
normally if you set up a clone on a healer along with solar + root on another during a go you can cover 2 healers which lets you have a good chance for a kill
thorny venture
1300 start seeing the tryhard WW
fallow thunder
outside of offensive cloning just make it a habit when no target is called to clone any melee who're diving deep onto your healers to peel.
rigid snow
1300 start seeing the tryhard WW
says a guy who rolls fotm mage and doesnt like playing it
thorny venture
I play a female Kul Tiran, in no world am I minmaxing
rigid snow
xDD
thorny venture
if others would play with me, I'd be frost
shadow cedar
summer flare
