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junior plover
primal bane
2.2k highest rate mw right now
he msgd me and i waes like
"HAHAHAAHHA" before he even said anything
then he offered to play with his hpal alt
felt pretty sad
clear pulsar
How come you play with all these glads, rank 1s, top mw world, and you still can't win games mate
junior plover
Getting to 2.2k as mw
tulip falcon
tbh feral representation is usually low even when it's an S tier spec
junior plover
I respect the hustle
tulip falcon
How come you play with all these glads, rank 1s, top mw world, and you still can...
😆
primal bane
i blame it on them face
junior plover
Yeah that's just how it goes for kitty
primal bane
fake 3ks are holding me back so hard
tulip falcon
ye even feral is busted there seems to be a low reroll rate compared to other specs
its weird
junior plover
But I'm rifht
primal bane
half trolling
tulip falcon
the amount of WW and ret rerollers i see atm is nuts
junior plover
Idk everyone keeps saying feral is too complicated for them
primal bane
deadass how can u not carry someone with that rating disparity
junior plover
I've literally never pvpd as anything but feral so i don't know
primal bane
i live for longer than 4 minutes avg
that should be all you need
as a 3k player
dps
i mean it is
what if i have a 3k healer and a 3k dps tho
tulip falcon
casually breaks every cc
primal bane
i still have memories of this 3.1k lock i played with
junior plover
Better
primal bane
i had the easiest fastest 7 wins in my life
then he just dipped
bro i watched this godlike ele sham and hpals
primal bane
literally 2v3 after i died
tulip falcon
ez money
junior plover
Glad boosts in rbg
primal bane
so fucking crazy
junior plover
tulip falcon
people pay stupid amounts for 2.1
tulip falcon
we couldn't be arsed doing some guy so we told him 5.5 mil for 1.8 cr to 2.1 just to get him away
primal bane
what classes deal the best with ccing the enemy healer
tulip falcon
he actually said yes to it
junior plover
he actually said yes to it
Kek
tulip falcon
so this dude is buying 300 rating for 5.5 mil
junior plover
😩
edgy shale
dad and son at 2.1 Pog
primal bane
what classes deal the best with ccing the enemy healer
?
junior plover
Now they can queue together yay
tulip falcon
lmao
junior plover
Rogue
tulip falcon
quality father and son time
junior plover
Hunter
tulip falcon
buying boosts together
junior plover
Depends on what comp u play
primal bane
bro i fucking loved doing freeze trap set ups in bfa
tulip falcon
i've known some people that've bought coaching and ended up getting r1 in the future etc
edgy shale
why bother going thru the process of playing the game when u can just go to the finish line instantly?
junior plover
tulip falcon
and it legit helped them A LOT
junior plover
I was looking for a 3s pug
primal bane
feral needs to do a fuckton just to be useful and not die in 3s
junior plover
2.3k THIS SEASON
primal bane
i think its easier to play it in 2s
primal bane
i gave people with same exp as me a shot today
and let me tell you
as long as they have any useful achievemnt like good mythicprogression
primal bane
every 1.6k cr player is the same
tulip falcon
ye one person I know has been consistently getting r1 since he bought coaching from 2.3
primal bane
fuck exp
edgy shale
u can literally pay $5 and some streamer will give u coaching
primal bane
bro im watching this guy basically boosting anyone in his guild to 2.1k in 2s
no joke he just
plays 1v2
and tells his duo to put totem down
when he does his burst
tulip falcon
lmao
junior plover
Kek
junior plover
"coached"
tulip falcon
if you're decently ok and you buy coaching it will definitely help
but if u are gutter trash and get coached it prob wont do a lot
primal bane
it wont do much 90% of the cases
junior plover
I'd definitely pay a bit for some huge dick hunter to teach me jungle
tulip falcon
just sitting there
junior plover
I couldn't care less about the rating from the sessions tho
primal bane
hutner is the easy piece of jungle
edgy shale
survival def isn't easy in this meta
primal bane
surv kinda hard and ass to play
clear pulsar
surv kinda hard and ass to play
Sounds like Cope's been reading more spellbooks
tulip falcon
was trying to get braindeadly to play with me this ssn but he went ally 🙄
queued 2s with him end of bfa which was a meme
junior plover
Snupy plays surv jungle
junior plover
I think to 2750 at this point
primal bane
offbrand feral gameplay
primal bane
i love trap
s
30s cooldown, easy to set up
forces trinket
next freeze trap you just kill
tulip falcon
If only arena waa that simple every time
primal bane
real shit its annoiying as fuck that getting 2k even requires a brain
tulip falcon
Yea especially this season
junior plover
People on /r/worldofpvp crying they were glad in bfa and can't get out of 1400
Is the best thing
tulip falcon
Just queue enough and play some dumb shit and it will come
junior plover
I read it every night before bed
tulip falcon
Lol
primal bane
i legit had fun with arena first this in a week
found a very nice player that uses voice
andlike
surreal loom
I've been 30 CR off 2100 in 2's as Feral; some games just feel real hard. I feel like getting over this hump is rough without like voice or something
primal bane
its so nice to just know ur both ok at the game and wont leave after 2 consecutive losses
primal bane
real shit dk how to play without voice
surreal loom
IDK HPals feel easy, it's RDruids that are hard
junior plover
Kitty
surreal loom
Feral
primal bane
idk man just????? chance the spec?
junior plover
I play feral disc idk about 2dps
It feels impossible to get through sacrifice 2x bop and bubble
surreal loom
Feral disc not good imo, that's part of the problem
junior plover
Fair enough
junior plover
Well we still do
surreal loom
if mc bug happens its over, you can't hit that person anymore
junior plover
Yeah it's annoying but playable imo
surreal loom
as melee
tulip falcon
Cant believe that shit isnt fixed yet
junior plover
But to be fair I'd give disc up for hpal in a heart beat
On the other hand I never have any issues with rdruids
surreal loom
Yeah disc I hit 1900, hpal I've gotten 2070 like 4 separate times
primal bane
btw did everyone learn that seed is shit bc i dont see it no more
used to fight seed 90% of matches
junior plover
Other soulbind got better
This week
In 4 weeks seed will be back
Possibly anyway
I swap between seed and niya depending on matchup
tulip falcon
Think a lot of people are going Korayn later down the line also
junior plover
Korayn is interesting
I'm kinda wondering if the 25% crit node
Is worth going endurance over potency
And how it works
Can I reset restealth
And proc it?
So many questions
tulip falcon
Yea was talking about that with someone earlier
Need to know that really to see how good it is
junior plover
Yep
Altho I struggle to see a world where i realistically set up from stealth rake into a kill
edgy shale
u can just go for restealths
tulip falcon
Big bang opener can force some CDs
sand spade
What is the play when getting trained by double melee?
junior plover
Yeah but I'd rather have niya mastery
tulip falcon
Then if it resets on combat
sand spade
They seem to do stupid damage and if I come out of bear I get owned
junior plover
Than fish for restealths all the time
edgy shale
its also +10% damage most of the time since people are topped off a lot, and stornger healing if ur low
junior plover
Yee fair
I suppose you could like berserk opener
Budget rogue
We'll see for now niya is bae
edgy shale
yeah for now of course, double potency is huge
primal bane
typhoon removes stealths?
kindred galleon
Yes
junior plover
Dumb question but I never actually tried
I'm assuming yes but
Does casting thorns cancel stealth
candid dragon
primal bane
upon further vod investigation
best strat to win boomie/ele/healer
is to just support your ele until he one shots somebody
primal bane
it does
junior plover
Rogue is opening on my healer or smth
primal bane
i tested that specifically
primal bane
yeah i feel like it hsouldnt do
kindred galleon
What casta does not break spells? Selfbuffs?
junior plover
I think it's case by case
Actually no
TF and Berserk
Also don't break stealth
So yeah maybe self buffs that can only be cast on self
An not just targeted to self
tepid spoke
i was like
tiny oar
Man I miss all the good cope convos while I'm sleeping
junior plover
I legit can't sleep because my brain craves the dopamine from a 5cp maim into a convoke
It keeps reminding me
That I should go do that
It's ridiculous
Send help
tiny oar
Yea I had that too before I switched to necro
junior plover
On one hand if they nerf convoke i might finally get some sleep
On the other what if I'm addicted and I'm never happy again when it's gone
I'm considering trying curio
Or draught even
Symmetry is much worse now than it was week 1
Still bis I guess but it doesn't carry the same oomph
clear pulsar
felt kidna good tbh
I imagine the extra energy pooled when u sit cc is nice
deep nacelle
Boat or dreambinder for arenas
kindred galleon
It depends
deep nacelle
In general
kindred galleon
Dreambinder is more consistent
And the go to for kyrians
Boat is good, but small window
Great with convoke(when you get it off)
fervent gull
i wonder if seething shore would still be a map included into the rotation if they actually asked the community
wheat orbit
Boomies that run flag what shit are you running?
do you use heart of the wild for the buff?
Just trying to figure out what i can do to be the best at it
queen copper
Boomies that run flag what shit are you running?
Yea do that all the time why not
queen copper
i wonder if seething shore would still be a map included into the rotation if th...
Not a fan of seething but it seperatesbteams that know what the ya re doing and those that don’t
wheat orbit
are you guys using a potency or an endurance for the last tier now
the iron bark cd would be nice but i dont feel like its gonna get the full use vs the dps one
I'm running convoke well honed and fury atm
queen copper
I like the convoke and double fr traits
Or if u really wanna fc boomy dream weaver tripple endurance
Fortunately I haven’t fc in a bit so not sure
fervent gull
2nd endurance on guardian for rbgs?
strong spear
ilvl (agl) / vers/ mast /haste /crit yes?
green valve
You can swap conduit paths in the arena lobby so slot everything and swap between them
Only thing you cant do is swap soulbinds
fervent gull
tyvm
green valve
Does well honed instincts work with boomie if youre guardian affinity?
Oh shit
Later barkskin
slim crater
@green valve for boomkin in 2's and 3's I find it hard to ever not choose well honed and innate
It's the best combo and heals the most
fervent gull
i jut saw a weird cc that didnt allowed me to throw barskin, wich one is it?
foggy ravine
what were you fighting
slim crater
Going to have to provide more info
queen copper
Does well honed instincts work with boomie if youre guardian affinity?
It removed the FR buff if you go boomy to bear though which is annoying
Nit sure if it’s 100% but happens often
green valve
Oh so if ot procs in boomkin form and you swap to bear it removes it?
Eh its alright it still sounds really good been running the extra regrowth and barkskin ones
queen copper
yea. not sure if its all forms or even if it always happens but yea
still a really satrong one as it doesnt use the FR cd either, so you can just chain em together
green valve
Barkskin ones nice but it definitely doesn't sound as good as procced fr
Yea thats even better 100% giving it a try tomorrow
foggy ravine
Procced regen only sucks if you get hit by a mind games
strong spear
Is there a difference between guardian and feral choice at the pvp vendor (for conquest/unrated)?
green valve
Dont think so
strong spear
sweet
green valve
I dont have a conq weapon yet tho gonna try the void storage trick tuesday
See if it works
foggy ravine
What’s that trick
strong spear
what trick
green valve
You put what slot you want in void storage and ppl say you get that slot
As long as theres nothing else in the bank
Obviously its probably bs
But whatever worth a shot
strong spear
huh
in what context is this wanting slot is
Please as I have no idea what that is and why you would try it
lol
you can get an item for a slot by putting some rando item of that slot in void storage?
some voodoo magic helps trust me
green valve
Lol no like i have 1 staff if i want staff i take it off and put it in void storage then pull vault
Ppl swear it works
chrome panther
I guess sacrificing kittens for 6 weeks was the wrong move
green valve
So well see tuesday
novel sky
You have to sacrifice humans for the best slot rolls
rose flame
^ not true. Been sacrificing virgins for weeks...didnt help and now I'm down to half a raid team :/ dammit
novel sky
That’s cause you gotta sacrifice chads
cobalt oyster
is podtender worth it for 3s?
rose flame
I mean it basically got a team through a few tournament games soooo odds of it winning you a few games here and there probably fairly high...
formal sparrow
As flag carrier/guardian in pvp, should I use pvp trinket set? or just my two other best trinkets
In addition, is the passive vers from Stone Legion heraldry (85 vers from normal) nerfed in pvp?
verbal berry
battlemasters
formal sparrow
And, I know vers is king but how much should I be valuing (approx) vers to stam?
like 220 neck with 67 vers 133 crit, or 49 stam 57 haste 90 vers
verbal berry
first neck has more stam?
ilvl is usually gonna be better if it's a large gap
you want at least 20% vers though
formal sparrow
With my 'best' vers gear on I have 23% vers
verbal berry
yeah best vers gear if you are sacrificing a lot of ilvl(stam) than not really worth
cosmic sail
Hey guys, i've been doing 2's as resto druid with a variety of partners. I'm at about 1750 at the moment and find it so incredibly hard to keep up with the healing other classes are doing. I almost have no time at all to even think about getting close to people for a cyclone etc else risk me being swapped to or my partner dropping. It feels like i have to spend my entire time focusing JUST on healing or i fall way behind and its already late. I'm running the same talents and builds as all the top Rdruid streamers and have 215 ilvl. WTF is going on! is it just that the Rdruid skillcap at the moment is massive compared to other healers ??
stone nest
Well the top guys also have the top dps. They’ve probably played an insane amount together. They know when and how to kite and also when to pop defensives.
limber plover
should I worry about me only have 5% mastery when I swap to my pvp gear as resto druid?
cosmic sail
I vs Hpal+ anything and legit i spend the entire time bombing heals, eventually run oom. Holy pally has done triple my dps, 20% more healing and is at half mana
clear pulsar
should I worry about me only have 5% mastery when I swap to my pvp gear as resto...
Not really
Resto druid is not in a great spot rn it's big unforch
stone nest
That’s like a fury warrior saying I don’t understand why the ww is doing so much more damage
clear pulsar
But you just gotta try playing to the spec's strength of cross CC
Your partner has to understand that
So your best partners will be stuff that can create space to allow for that
limber plover
Resto druid is not in a great spot rn it's big unforch
clear pulsar
That’s like a fury warrior saying I don’t understand why the ww is doing so much...
Fury is crazy bro don't mock it
stone nest
The games get so much easier if your partner knows when they can take big damage.
clear pulsar
You ever get 100-0d by a fury warrior's bladestorm?
Death Wish + MS proc leggo
Actually 100-0
limber plover
my partner is dps paladin
clear pulsar
stone nest
I’ve actually only seen 2 fury warriors so no
limber plover
we got to around 1400 now
clear pulsar
my partner is dps paladin
Your ret paladin needs to use more WOG bro
Like throwing out templars verdicts outside of cds doesn't really do jack other than pad meters
So just
Stay healthy
stone nest
Also pally is such a good partner to supplement rdruids lack of burst healing
clear pulsar
THen when ret has cds you should try to secure a restealth to get stun cyclone on enemy healer
limber plover
I see
clear pulsar
Ret is damn near a healer already
stone nest
You need to let your pally know when you’ve blown your load and when they need to take care of themselves to an extent
stone nest
You can always make an announcement thing for when you use your shit if it gets to that point I guess.
exotic wolf
@cosmic sail
as rdruid in 2s you're not only a healing bot.
you have so much utility. use it.
if you have to heal nonstop.I assume your dps does something wrong. Especially because you said you play in the 1750 bracket.
If your opponent dps pops his cds you have multiple options if he doesn't go on you specifically.
- you brute force heal his go (not good, you lose a lot of mana)
- your dps pops an defensive, you smooth some healing into that
- you cc the dps if possible so he can't dps
The thing in the lower brackets is that people are not using their toolkit appropiately.
rdruid in comparison to other healers isn't that good atm. but if you use your toolkit and play to your comps strengths it feels way easier.
limber plover
You can always make an announcement thing for when you use your shit if it gets ...
ahh I see thanks
formal sparrow
nice game (no berserking)
twilit siren
is ww rsk -healing 50%?
exotic wolf
google says 25%, dunno tbh
You kick upwards, dealing Physical damage. The effectiveness of healing on the target by is reduced by 25% and all enemies within 8 yards take 20% increased damage for 4 sec.
clear pulsar
Its 25% in pvp
Bunch of mortal strike effects got bumped up in pve in shadowlands but remain regular 25% in pvp
gloomy token
Need that hungering destroyer value i guess
coral sandal
is boomy/survival/disc any good right now?
dense bane
Hey, i wanna push some rating to 1800 so i can upgrade some of my gear. I am a pve’r but some items are just very nice. What would be the fastest to get rating as a balance?
exotic wolf
play rbg
hushed bluff
Easily rbg
formal sparrow
easily easily RBG @dense bane
formal sparrow
1800 in RBG is about as hard as 1600 in arenas*
*very very dependant on many factors
clear pulsar
?
charred escarp
what do you guys think about convoke as feral? is it good like is it worth going if im playing jungle
queen copper
rofl trying to explain to rbg team what convoke does
and they hit back and tell me how it works ?????
bitter harness
tardy hare
I had to buy wep
Bought wep too
obtuse ice
tardy hare
Fucker
devout frost
i got a 226 weapon from my cache last week but it was a pve weapon with no vers
hope you picked it
bitter harness
of course lol
edgy shale
the pvp weapon has disgusting stats for feral anyway
maybe there's another one u can get but the one i remember seeing was like vers then 50 haste
haste isnt that bad i guess but still
junior plover
Meh having a little bit of haste is always good
Sure a vers mast wep would be nice
But oh well
fresh estuary
Hey guys, Tough as bark or ursine vigor as resto for 2s?
winged geode
How to beat resto Druids in 2v2? :)
charred escarp
hey guys, i kinda wanna go night fae as feral. how is it compared to kyrian? my main comp is jungle
strong spear
what is the fire spell paladins do
I am so pleb that thing hits me for over 70% of my hp lol
holy fire or something
unborn anchor
So many questions, @charred escarp night fae is a bit harder to setup but can do alot more damage if you pull it off, kyrian is safer. @strong spear you mean the big ground effect?
unborn anchor
No, ashen hallow. Huge red aoe effect.
unborn anchor
I do not know what fire you are talking about. Holy fire is from priests.
strong spear
It was a pillar of fire from the sky
edgy shale
WHI so good
unborn anchor
Thats from priests then, holy fire. Paladins dont have one, they do holy shock and throw out judgements to damage people
strong spear
couldn't be other dude, they were a shaman
edgy shale
huge heal every minute, when u need it
split pollen
what do you think are best endurance conduits?
edgy shale
we just said l ol
split pollen
😮
nimble quest
@strong spear Its when judgment crits i think, its a comestic glyph thing
split pollen
do you try to put well honed instincts on a choice so you can avoid taking it vs priests?
or i wonder if you can just cancelaura it
also i just realized mount form doesn't work with tireless pursuit. have to use travel form
tepid spoke
You make a cancelaura frenzied regen macro
split pollen
ok ty
split pollen
if only taking 1 endurance is well honed instincts or innate resolve generally preferred?
split pollen
kk ty that's well honed instincts
surreal loom
@strong spear Its final reckoning
strong spear
It sure was a reckoning
rigid linden
fresh estuary
Thnx @vestal citrus
surreal loom
how bad is feral/restodruid 2's? Seems meh
slim crater
and then For night fae boomy its Mastery = haste right?
tulip falcon
just line bro
bitter harness
"Final Verdict" name is accurate
winter spindle
Was that in bear form?
forest kite
What honor talents do you guys take as feral into melee cleaves? I usually default run wound/LotP/SotW but I’ve tried dropping leader of the pack for thorns but I’m not sure. Dropping strength of the wild doesn’t feel too great either rn
candid moth
always Thorns against double melee
clear pulsar
Eeeeh idk about always
candid moth
when not?
clear pulsar
You gotta use it at good times else it's a complete nonissue for enemy to swap on. Also if your healer doesnt have anything to be purged thru, any shaman will get it instantly.
I like thorns ofc but I like the other pvp talents too
candid moth
yeah true, enhance is probably the exception
forest kite
Yeah I just don’t know what talent to get rid of in place for thorns
clear pulsar
Ret arms rsham no point playing thorns into imo
I think ferocious wound is way too good 99% of the time to give up
Idk it depends on what you run too like
Do you find yourself actually spamming offheals!?
Or are you being trained?
Sotw is great but I wouldn't use it just for bear form hp vs melee cleaves
Like if they're on me, I'd probably run thorns over sotw
And if they're on someone else then idk thorns over lotp maybe
candid moth
people dont train you? 
candid moth
depends on comp, yeah
clear pulsar
If warr isnt death sentence venthyr aint no way they catching me bro
Speedy Gonzales
candid moth
yeah true, I find warrior so easy to meme in arenas
they do a truckload dmg and are tanky af but they are so predictable and easy to kite
tardy hare
I always run lotp, thorns, fero wound
Only swap thorns for savage mom vs casters really
Guardian sometimes vs mix comp i guess
Idk
safe wind
If I just hit 60 should I get as many 158 honour pieces as possible, or get one at a time and upgrade it to max?
rose flame
Id say buy crafted boes, get your renown caught up some then grind bgs when ya geared up a bit. Getting roflstomped with 20k hp isn't a pleasant experience.
winter spindle
Waiting for the Kyrian bell to spawn on EU servers...
exotic wolf
Waiting for the Kyrian bell to spawn on EU servers...
the what?
rose flame
The bell is merely a myth on eu
paper trellis
did they change the dreamweaver 4 troop thingy tho?
i thought you cant fail if you just use dreamweaver
opaque tree
What works better with a holy pally in 2s? Feral or boom?
exotic wolf
what the hell are you guys talking about?
candid moth
do you guys use the bell for arenas?
tried it only once with my 184 but thought I might just be memeing for letting lose of the pvp trinket bonus
rose flame
I mean, I'd imagine its a damage boost over the set so would depend how often your the one dieing right
candid moth
the pvp trinket bonus only works for dmg+heal
not survivability
its about 12% dmg when you have 30% vers
clear pulsar
Yeah absolutely not worth bro
topaz spruce
I use bell at 2300 cr in 3s just to ensure nasty openers
That being said anyone on NA horde want to run triple boomie for a bit? XD
stone nest
Does anyone swap trinkets in arenas. In classic it was a big thing but that’s a very different game
clear pulsar
There were no arenas in classic
And I'm pretty sure the only thing you can swap in arena is weapon, and only out of combat
stone nest
No shit. There is pvp. I didn’t know if you could swap trinkets when they are cd or not if you were out of combat.
Never tried it.
fervent imp
as rdrood how do u handle a double dps comp in 2V ?
like ret, cham and sp they have so many healings with bursting dammage
stone nest
Mass entangle is nice for kiting. Enhance Shams oom, rets only do big dam inside wings so kite that. Sps are kinda a hard counter to rdruid so your dps should stick on them.
foggy ravine
Ya rets you have to just kite
If you get hoj during their wings you most likely have to trinket if your partner isn’t gonna cc them some how
fervent imp
ok thanks will try this
foggy ravine
Keeping your distance is p important
If against a rogue you can tranquility during smoke bomb so your partner can run out of it
Tree form is nice for mage double dps 2s too
stone nest
Flourish works through smoke bomb as well.
I personally wouldn’t go tree form cause you are practically useless outside of it
crude minnow
You could swap weapons in combat in arena for tbc. That's how spell reflect worked
foggy ravine
Ya I don’t love treeform but it helps avoid db poly when you are learning at least
candid moth
its like learning with a crutch
fervent imp
i easyly got 2k4 in bfa but for sl it's like another world
primal bane
where u at now brodd?
candid moth
i easyly got 2k4 in bfa but for sl it's like another world
well, s1 was inflated and s3 took like a year?
just keep queing
patent idol
guys what do you think about new moon?
i like that spell much more than fury of elune
fury of elune feels yike
candid moth
you will hardly have the time to cast it
candid moth
saw some boomys using it on 2.5mmr rbg tough
patent idol
widely used
foggy ravine
rbg is different you can actually get casts
candid moth
yeah, for arena I would never take it
foggy ravine
its also got kind of a long recharge
candid moth
alltough we arent that often the target like we used to be, standing still for like 2s(?) cast which locks out your primary damage in a go is bad
patent idol
how do u survive arenas if convoke fails
i feel useless
😄
i just jump around trying to survive spamming ffires and trying to get a starsurge
stone nest
Boomies still do good dam outside of convoke?
devout frost
being useless for 2 minutes
devout frost
pins has video burst guide
stone nest
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t boomie a rot class for a long time?
devout frost
rot isnt a thing in this meta
feral was a bleed spec for the longest time and now its a spam bite spec
stone nest
Idk aff lock feels like it’s in a good spot.
devout frost
cause they have contagion and rapture
bitter harness
just purge it 4head
fluid owl
what conduits ppl go for balance now?
fervent imp
where u at now brodd?
sry needed to afk, only 1k6
fervent imp
ye saw this
tiny oar
Rough time 2 be rdru we will overcome tho
kindred pivot
Is night Fae viable as resto druid in arenas?
stone nest
How else am I suppose to one shot people?
I 100-0ed a warrior yesterday. First time I’ve got that on a plate class.
tiny oar
It is okay yea even defensive caster convokes tops ur whole team basically
Niya mastery is good too
chilly slate
do you think necrolords feral is viable in pvp /?
primal bane
i swear ive yet to meet a fmage i enjoy playing with
they just shit their pants with 1 combust
do like 70%
and never be useful again
candid moth
seems like you are queing with bad mages
primal bane
no thats genuinely just what mages do
candid moth
what I mean is, they are very useful for stalling to their next combust
primal bane
oh then for sure lmfao
candid moth
and if they first doesnt kill, the 2nd or 3rd will
patent idol
is it possible to make a switching macro?
if im running with resto affinity - swiftmend
to switch to Renewal
if im guardian affinity
hasty dome
probably just copy and modify the macro from wowhead feral section that changes ability with affinity
steel parrot
what leggos yall using for balance
hasty dome
just input the spell you want, though I wouldn't personally
what covenant?
@steel parrot
steel parrot
nf
hasty dome
most cheesing BoaT
steel parrot
dope, ty
hasty dome
dreambinder is the other. At this point, craft both. It's situational.
I'm kyrian, so railing off 5x starsurges in my burst window, 2-3 w/ potential of over 22k crits using dreambinder
hasty dome
boat for sure then
clear pulsar
Rough time 2 be rdru we will overcome tho
#againstallodds
steel parrot
boat for sure then
❤️
clear pulsar
to switch to Renewal
Yeah you can make a macro that swaps depending on talent selected, but it'll just use both at once if you have both talents selected.
/use [talent:2/2]renewal```Wouldn't it make more sense to have renewal on the key that's wild charge usually?
I mean it's a bit of a mindfuck sometimes for me I guess
Press 1 thinking it's wild charge still
Waste renewal at full hp
lime light
@steel parrot hi
stray sigil
stone nest
I would 100% press renewal trying to leap away
clear pulsar
Happens way too often lol
Legit everytime I talent renewal
I use it at full hp at least once
tiny oar
What u even need weakauras for just press bite
lime light
F1 bolid ui
tiny oar
what does that even mean @lime light
patent idol
Wouldn't it make more sense to have renewal on the key that's wild charge usuall...
i had that healed myself at 100% cuz of wild charge memory...
tiny oar
#againstallodds
Like absolute heroes
primal bane
why is mass root auto swapped when u pick bash
but wild charge isnt with renewall
same shit with swapping pvp talents but i could understand it there
clear pulsar
tough osprey
Too early for these questions
It’s like wow tried.... but then was like nah these people can make macros to switch em out
clear pulsar
I mean
Mighty bash tier replaces a placeholder spell
And it's all utility so to speak
tiny oar
Idk I'd just make a separate bind if I ever played it yolo
tepid spoke
You can also /cast nature’s control
It will cast bash or entangle or hotw
Didnt know that huh
patent idol
why does convoke target cyclone ._.
a full moon just went into their healer in cyclone
tiny oar
solemn flower
what leggos yall using for balance
BoaT > everything
foggy ravine
idk dreambinder p sick
foggy ravine
they implemented that change then reverted it
stray sigil
oath is bis
solemn flower
The struggle of having to only have one target in your los for 4 seconds........
primal bane
they reverted it not even 12 hours later
it wouldve made convoke very nice to setup ngl
tepid spoke
Yes, but for ccs that werent cyclone
primal bane
so u wont target cyclone but u traget pally bubble?
crude minnow
BOAT is not > everything. Boat is only picked in rbgs as convoke and even then dreambinder is still better in some situations.
foggy ravine
BOAT for ctf
boat has short damage window
idk if you play it right you can keep the dreambinder at 2 stacks rolling for awhile in an rbg
crude minnow
The basic math for why dreambinder is better in a lot of situations has been done like 40 times in this channel
tiny oar
oath is bis
crude minnow
An average of like 30% crit across 3 surges with 1.75 crit multiplier doesnt come close to 5 starsurges in a row with 15-17% increased damage on average
clear pulsar
<:triggered:278287125340749824>
I honestly think like 90% of people talking about oath being good haven't used it
foggy ravine
I also like dreambinder cuz you get full AP drop a foe then you can launch like 6 starsurges
solemn flower
The basic math for why dreambinder is better in a lot of situations has been do...
Yeah but then the numbers aren't as fat on my screen :(
clear pulsar
Yeah but then the numbers aren't as fat on my screen :(
If you're good you'll crit 2 surges in a row without BOAT anyway
foggy ravine
i've been wanting to try oath for resto druid 2s
tiny oar
I honestly think like 90% of people talking about oath being good haven't used i...
Fujis just memeing I hope
clear pulsar
Well fuji a quebecoi you never know
crude minnow
@solemn flower it is when your starsurges crit for 16k
clear pulsar
But yeah
foggy ravine
but honestly I feel like circle would be better for offensive pressure
solemn flower
If you're good you'll crit 2 surges in a row without BOAT anyway
I'm not good. I just press convoke and close my eyes and pray for the best usually works out
crude minnow
If you rely on convoke, boat is better. But relying on convoke blows
stray sigil
oath bis best leggo
clear pulsar
i've been wanting to try oath for resto druid 2s
Thing with Oath for me is that 1. if you're trying to use it with feral aff, it will proc when you use cat to randomly shift out of some root or to shift a hex/poly/rep or when you're kiting, then be on CD when you want to actually deal damage, 2. if you're trying to use it with guardian aff, barkskin leggo is kinda just flat out better at doing the same thing.
solemn flower
Yeah I guys don't rely on convoke? Interesting so I shouldn't have that on every slot on my action bars
foggy ravine
Thing with Oath for me is that 1. if you're trying to use it with feral aff, it ...
ya thats a good point
clear pulsar
It's definitely like, fine damage, it's just iffy with the proccing cuz you do shift to cat form a lot naturally ye!?
tiny oar
2 fr op for sure
Pls I been up for 20 hrs, havent eaten in 2 days, ur frying me even more than I already am
fervent gull
Why is solstice chosen over fury on rbgs?
clear pulsar
Lake have you made Draught yet?
fervent gull
I thought starfall was a bad spell to be dropped there
stray sigil
patent dove
Don‘t fry lakerz
crude minnow
Solstice synergizes well with boat. Fury of elune synergizes better with dreambinder
tiny oar
I made draught ya it fucks hard with master shapeshift @clear pulsar
foggy ravine
falling stars are from moonfire/sunfire dots
clear pulsar
Shooting Stars has some scaling in multitarget, it's not quite linear but it does proc more if you have multiple people dotted.
crude minnow
fury of elune is still good as boat if you are sitting. But if I am base sitting I always go dreambinder for strong 1v1s out of cds
clear pulsar
So Solstice gets big value
stray sigil
clear pulsar
It's some bullshit with square root of the logarithm or some shit
I'm not a mathematics person
tiny oar
Are we still talking about world of warcraft
primal bane
can u stop macro bladestorm?
crude minnow
Wow is math
clear pulsar
@tiny oar I'm making Draught on horde druid too, went back Necro this week already. I think I'll make Cat-eye on alli tho before I make Draught.
tiny oar
can u stop macro bladestorm?
Yea u can have a cancelaura bladestorm bound into charge or pummel or sumthing
U can also spell reflect in bladestorm for GOD KNOWS WHY
patent dove
Have you seen the chris kaleiki interview from stoopzz? It transferred the image of the developer that doesn‘t listen so much lol
tiny oar
<@!237412116024393728> I'm making Draught on horde druid too, went back Necro th...
Hell yea brother it definitely pumps wish it worked with LI too tho
patent idol
you said there's guide on how to set up
convoke as boomy
in the pins
dont see it
clear pulsar
One day it will bro for sure, maybe it takes 5 months, but surely
Like none of the Moonfire Torghast powers work with LI, at SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO FIX IT
primal bane
super cringe
stone nest
It's definitely like, fine damage, it's just iffy with the proccing cuz you do s...
I am a big fan of the passive boosts with oath. Feral aff and oath makes kiting easy especially with tiredless pursuit or whatever it’s called
clear pulsar
Moonfire DR doesn't work, Full Moon proc doesn't work, LI Moonfire doesn't count towards 3 period effects 50% bonus, etc etc etc.
tiny oar
Wtf blizz
clear pulsar
On the other hand idk why warriors bitch so much about torghast
I'm 170 and it's deadass easier than on necro druid at 195
tiny oar
The full moon one works as resto at least in my torghast runs last week
clear pulsar
Yeah it works as every spec but you have to cast Moonfire in caster form if you have LI talented
tiny oar
O wtf lmao
crude minnow
I only had problems in torghast on my warrior with 170 ilvl in the fire dot one
stone nest
Layer 8 is a joke as resto. I’m considering selling runs but who tf would buy that.
clear pulsar
People buy it 100%
clear pulsar
For warrior there's a power that gives 5 phantasma when you use Victory Rush, and now I'm at 910 phantasma in floor 1.
stone nest
These are the people that buy 1400 boosts I’m assuming
jagged summit
whats best to craft verdant infusion on
tiny oar
That would require u playing the game with other ppl tho ew gross @foggy ravine
stone nest
I crafted shoulders and regret it cause, if I recall, there’s no haste conquest gloves.
But there is haste shoulders
clear pulsar
Depends on covenant
stone nest
But someone call me on my shit if I’m wrong
foggy ravine
That would require u playing the game with other ppl tho ew gross <@167453546365...
fax I'd rather stealth and slam my face on my keyboard to hit all my keybinds for convoke
clear pulsar
I think necro has haste shoulder!?
stone nest
Why tf is there different stats for different covenants
stone nest
That’s shits straight dumb
The covenant ability is already an impactful choice without tying different gear to them.
clear pulsar
Yeah but I wouldn't dare complain about anything regarding the vendor in fear of a nerf to pvp gearing
tiny oar
I crafted shoulders and regret it cause, if I recall, there’s no haste conquest ...
Sounds rite I made shoulders too who cares we get 60 less haste or sumthing like that o well not a big deal
stone nest
The real question for me is can I horde my conquest after I have all my ish and spend all that at the start of next season or are they going to do some shady stuff
foggy ravine
I think verdant is better gloves so you can get haste shoulders buuuut I crafted shoulders anyways
foggy ravine
theres also raid gloves with haste if you are a pve andy
daring herald
@stone nest they never allow hoarding, it’d create huge balance problems.
clear pulsar
It wouldn't be a bad idea, I'm doing it as arms @proud crest
stone nest
<@537153977381552168> they never allow hoarding, it’d create huge balance proble...
I swear if I spend all my stuff disenchanting and we can ima @ you with some passive aggressive talk. Lol
clear pulsar
Yeah since legion they always turn leftover currency like that into gold at end of season, or increase the costs tenfold so hoarding is pointless
stone nest
I’m assuming we will get more legendaries as the patches progress well
stone nest
More recipes but that may be inevitable as well
foggy ravine
There would be some gnarly combos if you could equip multiples
stone nest
You literally couldn’t kill a guardian tank.
tough osprey
^goals
stone nest
Oath and bark skin lego
primal bane
without buffing soul ash gains
stone nest
Hotw as well
clear pulsar
Pls don't
foggy ravine
Ya id rather not equip multiples tbh
tough osprey
It was their plan all along. Good thing pvp resto stat priority = tank stat priority
clear pulsar
As far as any semblance of balance
foggy ravine
Ya there would be some broken ass combos
stone nest
Yeah it would be impossible unless they seriously stepped up frequency of balancing
foggy ravine
Feral with draught and circle of life 😮
clear pulsar
That would honestly probably be the best combo for damage
foggy ravine
Idk if it would even be that good but dem bleeds would be hurting
stone nest
Im expecting more recipes to be added or the legos will start to feel old and stale
foggy ravine
Ya adding a new recipe could be neat
finite kraken
what trinkets do you guys use in rbg?
foggy ravine
Multiple at same time would be impossible for balancing
stone nest
We’re there any legion legendaries that were big for resto? Or Druids in general
tepid spoke
You couldnt use em in pvp iirc
clear pulsar
But in wpvp it was big badonkadonks
tepid spoke
I mean we havent even released the 2nd arm of the runecarver
Imagine when we do that
2 legos ez
supple path
Not worth thinking about cause tuning + more will be here when that choice comes
stone nest
Give me a legendary that gives me 2 swiftmends. I want to be relevant.
clear pulsar
Give me a legendary that gives me 2 swiftmends. I want to be relevant.
Should be a pvp talent
tiny oar
Would be nice cuz half of em are USELESS
clear pulsar
Resto is REALLY lacking in pvp talents compared to hpal and disc and rsham
And even mw
Like
clear pulsar
The 2nd best healing pvp talent we have is fucking reactive resin
foggy ravine
If we had two charges of swiftmend
clear pulsar
foggy ravine
I’d be wet
tiny oar
We get efflo clears snares :)
clear pulsar
stone nest
Can you imagine wasting that much mana
clear pulsar
Big 3k mana freedoms
steel parrot
best conduit for balance pvp?
stone nest
Just don’t
steel parrot
umbral?
stone nest
Don’t ever use it
clear pulsar
It should work yeah
tiny oar
Assuming it would on every tick of efflo but ya its garbage
tepid spoke
Swiftmend gains a charge and is now usable on targets without a heal over time effect.
tiny oar
Would only ever cast it during vate
tepid spoke
Wouldnt that be beautiful
stone nest
It probably has good value in rbgs going against a lock though
I did an lfr to get mother tree and had no idea wtf was going on. Didn’t even change my talents and top the charts. I’m a pve pumper now boys.
foggy ravine
I use it in rbgs
bitter harness
LFR 
foggy ravine
good for mass entangle counter
tiny oar
Queued into a lot of shit 2day and the only things that felt fucking unbelievably unhealable was ret warr and turbo tbh
foggy ravine
or rootbeam protection for other healers
stone nest
The other healers should just shift forms
tiny oar
I did an lfr to get mother tree and had no idea wtf was going on. Didn’t even ch...
Huge lfr parses
foggy ravine
hahha
stone nest
Huge lfr parses <:PogCat:797347121295654922>
If it wasn’t a 99 I’d be shocked for sure.
I might as well go carry a mythic run at this point
tiny oar
I was thinking bout doing raid for mother tree but idk even I'd even use it in keys over verdant. Maybe in rbgs or sumthing
clear pulsar
Nah just run circle in keys
stone nest
I got it for rbgs
clear pulsar
OR draught big boss dam
stone nest
I’m always ooming spamming regrowth and it synergizes really well with the insta wild growths
tiny oar
Nah just run circle in keys
Forgot about circle damn I gotta get that 1 for sure
60% of my dam in these keys is sunfire moonfire
primal bane
generally speaking in a no voice vacuum gameplay
if u had to tell ur team who to focus
who has highest chance to die
stone nest
Ww has way less defensives
clear pulsar
I don't think that's true
Ret has uh bubble and shield of vengeance!?
BOP is a cd for both
Ret can sac WW
WW has diffuse/dampen, karma, fortified brew, fists parry I guess, port!?
Like
Idk Cope only plays with 2.7k+ players so they should know who to hit
tiny oar
HA
primal bane
thats factual
stone nest
Yeah but wws cds are less significant and they are leather if that means much. If a ww doesn’t have trinket they are a good go for a kill. Pallys can live through a go without trinket
clear pulsar
Ret literally only has bubble bro
dim wadi
But they can still save a ww with sac
clear pulsar
Shield of vengeance is about the same as karma on a longer cd
Idk like
Just hit the right targets
Sac / sanc / wog = if your team doesn't cover the ret, you'll never kill the ww
BOP too ofc
trim juniper
I heard Guardian is the new rbg tank King. What makes Them shine so much and do you guys have any pointers for a pve bear trying to go for some rbg?
haughty compass
^
tardy hare
And walk away
Foesnt matter what button you press
As long as incarn is first
And it doesnt cancel bear form
stone nest
I base goes on if I can kill in a stun typically. So for me if the ww doesn’t have trinket and a pally doesn’t have trinket. I’m going ww
stone nest
Can ww pop any of their stuff while stunned?
chrome panther
spectral site is dummy OP for base maps.
stone nest
Arent boomies pretty great for fcing in bear for with the bark skin leg?
trim juniper
How much does the sleeper legendary stop? Is it only fears and blinds etc or also stuns, roots and slows?
chrome panther
legacy of the sleeper m8
sand spade
Any advice on Boomy in 3v3? I find that I get LoS on my GO alot, or I just get trained so hard that I can't get out of bear
trim juniper
So you cant even get stunned in incarn with that legendary? 😮
clear pulsar
DH base sit 
haughty compass
Sleeper + incarn + Venthyr is actually super fun
clear pulsar
Imagine sitting DH when druid sits in stealth and survives thru double rogue opener with barkskin leggo
chrome panther
Dh sits and uses sight off CD with bg targets, knows where every rogue is always
stone nest
I’ve had good success with dhs base sitting and telling me where the stealthies are going. We’ve made some big plays on free bases that way.
clear pulsar
That's CAP
trim juniper
I heard there were some trick with balance affinity and flap for fc. Anyone Care to explain?
tardy hare
You can move from old base to DH base easily within sight CD
stone nest
Idk what cap means so I’m going to assume you are saying that’s super cool and a baller move
stone nest
I’m assuming this is like yolo games
stone nest
Lol
split pollen
anyone know how mindgames works on hots/frenzied regen that is rolling before mindgames is applied?
tardy hare
Wtf
stone nest
You die inc
tardy hare
anyone know how mindgames works on hots/frenzied regen that is rolling before mi...
U die
lime light
Hi i heard we had a egirl here for a bit
clear pulsar
It just absorbs the healing and does damage bro
lime light
And no one tagged me
stone nest
I did find out you can Na through mindgames
lime light
?
tardy hare
Hi i heard we had a egirl here for a bit
I scared them away dw
clear pulsar
I heal thru mindgames dam with barkskin leggo everytime
clear pulsar
#thewayitshouldbe