fml
#pvp
placid mirage
Easy tbh
tardy hare
crude minnow
I rbg for rating and 2v2 3v3 with friends haha
placid mirage
Rbg and arenas are nothing alike despite being called pvp
So I can see how some ppl would only play rbg
placid mirage
Everyone has their own opinion lol I see ppl who are 2s mains get shit too
foggy ravine
rbgs way easier to get rating than arena
tepid spoke
Idk i just think rbg is just macromanaging and maybe i am wrong but i get the feeling you can carry more ppl in it
foggy ravine
2100 rbg is like 1800 arenas and 1800 rbg is like 1500 arenas
tulip falcon
idk would say its even more extreme that
theres legit people 2.4+ mmr who never been 2k in arena
or ever played rbgs before
foggy ravine
ya probably more extreme tbh
as long as you get 10 coordinated competent players rbgs are ez
placid mirage
Ya I'm 1.9k 2s and 2.2k rbg having hit 2400 mmr peak
tulip falcon
ive seen teams that look like they would be 1.7 most seasons be at 2.4 just cos they had a good winstreak of a few games
placid mirage
The mmr isn't a great measure tho it drops just as fast as it rises
tulip falcon
hero will still be the same to get at least
foggy ravine
hero horde cut off is like 2500 I think
devout frost
@tardy hare looks like average rbg glad, nothing weird here
placid mirage
Like yeah a mythic guild can win streak 3 times and get 2.2k mmr but if they lose they go back pretty far
foggy ravine
cr is slow but mmr moves quick
placid mirage
You don't see a lot of 1.8k teams maintaining 2.4k mmr they usually peak then lose to a halfway decent team then build up again
tulip falcon
all they have to do is beat other teams in the same situation
and eventually gain
if they lose to a legit team they wont lose rating
so they still gain slowly
placid mirage
Yeah that's what I did as well
tulip falcon
theres mad people buying boosts atm so wouldn't surprise me if hes one
tulip falcon
not one we did though
tulip falcon
lmao
pressing incarn can be legit if you're alone and they have stealthers in def if you have sleeper
but pre wall is uh
yea
chrome panther
you should pre-incarn if rogue isn't in teamfight and your picking alone
tulip falcon
this why im forced to play guardian atm
we tried other guardians
and it seems like most have peabrains
placid mirage
I made an alt druid to learn how to play guard
chrome panther
cuz they're pve nerds trying to get ez gear
placid mirage
Same
foggy ravine
iM gOnNa PlAy GuArDiAn FoR a FrEe CaRrY
placid mirage
To be fair the gear is pretty ez
tulip falcon
then they get ninja capped in 1 cc or hibernated
chrome panther
its why 1800 mmr rbg is like 1500 arena
placid mirage
But boomie is an easier carry than guard
tulip falcon
nah
foggy ravine
my fresh rsham got to 1800cr in rbg ez gear
placid mirage
That only gets u back to ur base ur team has to get your flag back also
tulip falcon
ye but like
tulip falcon
surviving is how good ur healers are more than urself tbh
chrome panther
2k teams will take 0 cr guardians with sleeper mate
tulip falcon
ye they can be peabrains and do some dumb shit
like kiting healers is coming
common*
chrome panther
right sometimes they press S and backpedal up warsong tunnel
foggy ravine
had a DH tank leap outta a ring of peace on roof down into enemy team in FR
tulip falcon
but lets say like
chrome panther
tulip falcon
an average player
whos not entirely peabrain
it depends more on the healers than themselves
placid mirage
I consider myself vaguely in that category
chrome panther
the average player can't clear normal nath
thick crest
what you think best team for boomie or feral 2s?
foggy ravine
I haven't even cleared LFR
chrome panther
what you think best team for boomie or feral 2s?
hpal
foggy ravine
or touched raid :p
placid mirage
I just don't actually know what ur supposed to do as fc tbh
foggy ravine
FC you pick flag make it across and pop your cds to live
chrome panther
stay with healers, hold w, call out CDs so you dont overlap like a nance
foggy ravine
kite if you have to with healers
narrow wadi
Fellas do I push UFR to 235 for keys or build sleeper 210 like a Chad for RBGS
chrome panther
Oh and play small bear model so your model is smaller 😆
foggy ravine
stealth early when you go for picks so you don't get harassed by the rogue etc.
placid mirage
My problem is I just panic a lot so I will prob be a terrible fc
But that's why I have a new druid with 0cr to practice throwing games on ez
Where do u get sleeper
chrome panther
they all drop from twisted corridors dont they
errant blaze
Anyone knows how to get arena number 1 - 2 - 3 to show up over nameplates right under big debuffs (or above doesnt matter)?
native ingot
Do you guys use dreambinder for all of your pvping? arenas and rbgs?
native ingot
Ok, I have the soulash to make it on my chest, do you think mast/vers or Haste/vers?
foggy ravine
msat vs. haste is preference IMO but I opt for haste normally
native ingot
sorry, I'm a bit of a newbie, what is msat?
foggy ravine
haste is nice for faster casts, faster gcd, more dot ticks for astral power
sorry I meant mastery
native ingot
ah, ok thank you
foggy ravine
mastery is nice for the pure damage too though
native ingot
I suppose the rest of the pvp gear gives enough vers then?
native ingot
Oh I see, thank you
foggy ravine
int > vers > haste/mast > crit for pvp
native ingot
Thank you very much for your help! I can't seem to get to 1400 in arena, so I'm hoping this will help a bit
native ingot
Yay! Thank you! I'll look at those
I've just been focusing on pve so much I've forgotten how to pvp at all
tired basin
Can you earn the pvp trinkets by playing normal pvp?
junior plover
yes
modern orchid
pvp finds player with similiar ilvl ?
stuck hatch
what is the best legendary for pvp balance?
tropic schooner
cold escarp
pvp boots with mastery/versa or haste/versa? 🤔
weak hinge
haste
quick root
best moonkin legendary for rbgs?
cold escarp
you're night fae?
hasty vault
Wondering same. Bis lege for moonkin rbg? Nightfae
quick root
^yes
hasty vault
Pinned says boat lege for nf
But for specificly rbg? Dunno.
Timeworn dreambinder aint bad either
chrome panther
I still run binder at 2550 🤷♂️
hasty vault
Ait
chrome panther
You get hard cced the second you pop alignment in rbgs so
Boat 9/10 seems to do nothin
tulip falcon
majority of eu boomies are using it for rbg
if they're NF
only know a couple who use dreambinder
past relic
whats all your favorite comps for 2k+ arenas as boomy?
either 2s or 3s, doesn't matter
hasty vault
Boomy+ele+hpal
lime light
make sure u are playing with hpal
past relic
i know thats a good comp, but what makes it especially strong? the burst + control?
primal bane
how does haste affect astral gains
hasty vault
Pressure and ele oneshots plus offhealing
lime light
pretty much this
past relic
whats the shared DR/DR overlap with that comp?
chrome panther
boom ele hpal is tons of fun
boom afflock hpal is hilarious cuz everyone focuses boomie and afflocks absolutely melt if not kicked
but boom ele hpal and boom fmage hpal are prob our #1 comps rn
lime light
lmao
who focus boomy
if thee is an affy
locks are sqishy
have to kite
die in stuns
doing unhealable dam when left alone
boomkin can tank mythic +
chrome panther
idk the world of 2.2 mmr NA is weird
lime light
if they cast almost nothing change
they cant die in bear form
the only thing is, they will push for clones
so affi will aswel
if left alone
primal bane
whats unhealable dmg just too much dmg
lime light
yes
if they spread aids
like UA corruption
on 3 targets
and start spamming malefic
its hard to heal thro that
and if u dispel u might randomly
lose 60% of your hp
if UA dispel crits
primal bane
ive said it here b4 i played with this 3.1k exp lock
that idk what he did
but he always killed the healer in a minute or less round start
with like little ot no help
it was crazy to see
lime sparrow
can anyone give some advice on how do I run away from melees as feral? even if I pop vortex and jump they all have some gap closer and then catch me. After I shapeshift root they just re-apply slow or stun. Im playing with another dps (mm) 2v2 and melees that focus me seem to be our bane. If they focus the hunter I can offheal and clone, but if they go for me I'm toast.
haughty compass
Moonkin rsham sp or dk prob my best bet for glad atm
Based on what my friends play and what they are good at
primal bane
play ret arms hpal
primal bane
i genuinely dont know
haughty compass
Just what my friends play
primal bane
honestly melee is so fucking bullshit this meta its actually hard to think of a way to lose with it
haughty compass
Much rather learn and grind with friends than pug a meta comp tbh
primal bane
every melee strat is just insanely high consistent dmg with no cooldown usage
primal bane
i never feel legitimately useless vs casters
until one of us dies
how is mongo abanned word
stray sigil
cuz ur also s caster lol
primal bane
but like what do i do lmfao
primal bane
like im doing all i can do peel for everyone
i either get trained all game do no dmg
or they swap targets and instantly one shot burst my teammate
if my cyclone is DR
stray sigil
sounds like a u problem boomies always topping charts even if they bear half the game
lime light
idk ppl that play caster
things
they are insane
cuz they have to cast
or if they cast polly fear or cyclone
they are insane players
both apes
now stop crying and q up
lime light
same
stray sigil
like get over urself casters are super mongo
lime light
iam legit cyclonehing healing 3/4 of the game
stray sigil
ya
lime light
but i kinda like it
stray sigil
and i do half the dmg of everyone
tulip falcon
ye same its pretty enjoyable tbh though
stray sigil
ya if bleeds were good
lime light
nerf bite, buff bleeds byu a lot
stray sigil
healing snd cloning
would be so pog
wouldnt be so far behind on details
my ego
feelsbadman
tulip falcon
makes me wonder how i enjoyed feral when clone got removed
obtuse ice
fuji's ego
lime light
feral can be first only, if there is 2 apes
hitting
into thorns
on cd
🙂
or if u crit
and they die
in pet stun rake
stray sigil
sometimes im frist vs like rmp if they go my hunter
but usually never first tbh
not that it matters
we are a setup class
lime light
if they go your hunter, u still spend a lot of time healing him
stray sigil
so doesnt rly matter ig
lime light
but mm jungle feels super diferente
tho
idk
i wish i could play a bit mm jungle
to try it
stray sigil
i play surv so idk
lime light
same
stray sigil
mm prob better cuz scatter is lowkey insane
lime light
mm so big burst
stray sigil
kill pet
lime light
survi is good in 2s
stray sigil
snd ur life is over
lime light
the worst thing is
when u face boomy
he is an ape
convoke
everyone in los
and they kill his poor pet
😦
with convoker
stray sigil
pet dies to everything
patent idol
best boomy talents for arenas 3s?
lime light
ye
stray sigil
very fun game
primal bane
this doesnt happen after 1.6k
primal bane
but it is funny how paladins have the best panic buttons
lime light
lmao
stray sigil
wdym doesnt happen after 1600
lime light
cuz was playing range TV
primal bane
idk man i think only reason my wr is positive is bc when i drop under 1.6k
i simply solo convoke their hpal
but after that they just use bubble after first starsurge hits
lime light
yes
lime light
yes
teal hinge
primal bane
ok i looked again and i find that my spriest used MC 3 times on the enemy healer
is he a fucking moron
or thats viable in certain situations
forest kite
Yoo i just wanna know why the droods are full troll or tauren in pvp
primal bane
by eveyrthing else you have another troll and another tauren variation
forest kite
Oh yeah
Didnt see
Sorry im new xD
And what would be the best race in PvP for drood between these two race
devout frost
Nelf > Tauren > HM > anything else @forest kite
scarlet pelican
Hey guys I made this question on balance area but for PvP should I go Niya or Dreamweaver ?
devout frost
Hey guys I made this question on balance area but for PvP should I go Niya or Dr...
depends what you play with
forest kite
@devout frost Ty!
devout frost
comp obviously
weak hinge
ur partners.
tardy hare
imagine yeah
you're a rogue
walking around a base in some rated battelground
a feral walks up
does this to you
how do you feel
patent osprey
what legendary should ferals use for pvp?
patent osprey
i was told eye, draught or apex
acoustic nebula
They lying
patent osprey
what
noble holly
What's the overall BiS leggo for balance?
devout frost
i was told eye, draught or apex
kek
devout frost
What's the overall BiS leggo for balance?
Dreambinder for pvp
noble holly
ty
scenic storm
is the damage % inc just better than boat?
or is it chaining with fury of elune to get 4 ss?
turbid jolt
i thought you did 5 but yeah i believe that is the point
save up and drop 5 with foe
stone nest
devout frost
@scenic storm higher burst, safer burst
acoustic nebula
Made at work
wheat laurel
https://gyazo.com/645ec672da47eff19aea40adaa20e2c8 any1 good with addons know what might be causing this
whenever i try and use flyplatebuffs I get this when i apply a dot
vital parcel
stellar drift or twin moons for bg?
verbal fractal
What's the overall BiS leggo for balance?
BOAT aka balance of all things
verbal fractal
Made at work
I was once a kyrian dreambinder and now I have been turned
vital parcel
😮
hushed bluff
Lolol feral is the only spec
winged geode
Hello Resto Druids, what gives you troubles against WW/Diszi ind 2v2? I need some advice 🙂
red tide
aanyone has a wa that shows if paladin popped aura mastery?
blissful belfry
You can use omnibar to track his aura mastery
primal bane
do you use convoke/incarn to bait big cooldowns
or keep it till you can get a big burst kill
vital parcel
its ur biggest damage lol, why would u bait with it
altho i try to pop incarn a bit early and see how they react
scarlet pelican
Or hearthstone bait
😂😂😂😂😂 definitely going to try that
polar nymph
Anima
edgy shale
i think its 20% chance
hushed bluff
But when it does proc Lolol
patent idol
man i feel like
other boomies are convoking differently 😄
my convoke hits 3 different targets
or 1 starsurge on the healer 1 on dps then random heal??
vital parcel
Does -20 cc reduction trinket stack with sleeper legendary?
patent idol
and full convoke doenst do shit
edgy shale
r u popping CA before?
blissful belfry
You can use pillars to line of sight the rest of the team to focus your convoke on 1 target
You can clone a dps, root beam a healer and ask for your teamate to stun the kill target. Then you convoke
Convoke doesnt hit cloned targets, nor does it hit rooted targets
focusing all the channel on your kill target that is stunned and unable to react
patent idol
r u popping CA before?
yes
candid dragon
Does -20 cc reduction trinket stack with sleeper legendary?
Isn't the point that sleeper leggo makes you immune to cc in the first place? I havn't seen it in action so Idk the full extent of what it makes you immune to.
patent idol
what it doesnt hit rooted targets? lol
blissful belfry
under 2k rating, you can just incarn+ convoke out of stealth 30 yards in the back of the healer. It works 80% of the time against hpal and disc
patent idol
XDD i was solar beaming and rooting someone and using convoke on the same target
edgy shale
they changed it recently
blissful belfry
thats how you deal with pallies https://www.twitch.tv/crusader3455/clip/DarkRelievedQuailOpieOP?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
blissful belfry
starsurge is astral. it benefits from both eclipses
(meaning it double dips in incarn
patent osprey
is there a feral opener macro out there?
patent osprey
like a macro to cast my opener sequence
stray sigil
id advise against cast sequence macros
edgy shale
plus I saw u ask that question in the pve channel, and there's 100% a diff opener between pve and pvp lol
I can tell u that now
even if that macro existed, I wouldn't use it
primal bane
whats the deal with light lasso
u cant heal people in it?
then why does it usually take like 60% of ur hp and u never find heals while ur in it
are totems like
2 shotk ills
or u need real dmg
ele looks fun asf
very stable burst on short cooldown
edgy shale
ya i wanna make ele too
seem super fun and unique
they get trained tho 😦
in terms of what? just self-peel /defensive CDs?
vast vapor
not having shadowmeld sucks so much on any other spec than balance
primal bane
ye btu besides stormkeeper
not much train can stop
what does ele have to personally respond for
skyfury on demand?
vast vapor
staying alive
edgy shale
grounding totem comes to mind/ interrupts
devout frost
Ele has lasso which already makes it fun af
edgy shale
I doubt ele can be as frustrating as destro lock last season. Like they were broken don't get me wrong, but it was as frustrating to play as it was to play against. just trained by gushing DH for hours on end
devout frost
lasso last season was like an instant kill tho
wheat laurel
how do you guys handle ww in 2s?
cold escarp
yep shear biggest thing
you gotta constantly be aware of 2/3 ppl casting on enemy team
edgy shale
yeah, that's what I figured. its never easy being trained it just makes everything 10x more stressfu
and ur decisions matter more
hushed bluff
Bear the stuns baby!
edgy shale
at least that's 1 thing im used to w/ immolate
had to cast that shit too
like goddam
devout frost
no cd flameshock died and gust of wind died with it
edgy shale
do they just go back n forth on giving shocks CDs lol
devout frost
look like they keeping it now cause 2nd xpac in a row its on cd
primal bane
that sounds like advantages to me tbh
no reliable cc means nobody to bother you about it
just blame ur team and move on
edgy shale
true. as lock ppl were always screaming at me to fear more. its like okay, but i used it 136 times that match
as feral it changes to clone
shaman i can just say hex was on CD, shut up
hex healer, lasso kill target definitely seems sauce
or vice versa depending
primal bane
there is absolutely nothing more disheartening
than to do a clone on someone you haven't cloned yet
and see it be like 1.5s
while ur other teammate is still almost fucking dead
vague fox
What talents do y'all Boomkins run in RBGs?
haughty compass
I find as moonkin sp sham, we drop healers super often
Yea that’s basically exactly what happens
80% of the time a pally gets brave to try and hoj we kill it
stray sigil
just ur typical ret in 2s
3min40s game
0 tv
no lol
mage soloing my hpal
literally
lol
r1 rogue right there too
pog champ players
bfa POG
vague bough
Can someone help me with talents & PvP talents for guardian druid RBG stuffs?
vague bough
I can't find any PvP guides for guardian online 😦
formal sparrow
I am also interested in tips for guardian PvP/fc.
Big tip is make sure to take the PvP talents that break snares and roots on everyone around you, and Overrun (3sec stun charge that knocks back)
winter spindle
Is it 30 RBG wins above 2400 for the glad mount? 🤔
devout frost
I am also interested in tips for guardian PvP/fc.
Big tip is make sure to take ...
you dont need that snare break
just grab sleeper
and run to base
vague bough
Online a guide said den mother, demo roar, and toughness
Is that right?>
Wouldn't you massively benefit from malorne's swiftness?
formal sparrow
I usually recommend the snare break for your team
winter spindle
vague bough
Yeah but most flag caps you're not going to be with your team.
formal sparrow
Disagree
Midfield it's common for your team to be slowed and need the help in my opinion
I used to use den mother though
I now use master shapeshifter for convoke hotw but I could be convinced to change
winter spindle
What talents do y'all Boomkins run in RBGs?
I prefer Incarn in maps with the CD reset chest because you can double Incarn convoke, any other maps I use star lord
visual cove
hey guys, does anyone know how the floral recycling conduit works exactly? it does it prioritize certain hots?
vague bough
Is there any kind of guide for guardian RBGs?
winter spindle
Also Incarn is nice on WSG and TP if you’re assigned to attack the efc, because you can convoke from stealth
vague fox
You dont ever run Treats right? My RBG leader was trying to tell me to run treants for flag spinning
winter spindle
But honestly whose putting their boomy on base defend
vague fox
Yeah, i thought that was kind of odd. Ty
tulip falcon
Online a guide said den mother, demo roar, and toughness
pretty much, you can change den mother out for frenzy as well
really depends
or entangling claws
tulip falcon
ye theres quite a few options, you'll always want demo and toughness
then your 3rd is flex
vague bough
Okay, that's what I needed to know lol
devout frost
Midfield it's common for your team to be slowed and need the help in my opinion
if ur the FC u dont stay to help ur team
theyre there to help u
tulip falcon
spam out ironfur procs if needed
vague bough
But It's just armor, what if you're being attacked by a caster?
tulip falcon
most shit on eu is running melee heavy comps so it's pretty big for me
but ye it won't do anything against casters
melee are the shit you need to care about
mostly
vague bough
Yeah, melee is crazy 😦
I'll try it out I guess
What about 40 talents? Incarnation?
tulip falcon
run incarn because you'll want the sleeper legendary to extend the duration
vague bough
I'm just going to be using my balance boat legendary for now 😦
tulip falcon
i'd still run incarn anyway
vague bough
mmk
tulip falcon
vortex
vague bough
loool
fervent gull
You get yseras too
tulip falcon
yea its kinda negligible but it exists i guess
tame chasm
does legacy of the sleeper work as moonkin? people in this group keep saying it does
fervent gull
Ive been running in travel form without being cced during incarn
tame chasm
oh so it does work, that's interesting
tame chasm
the rbg group i was in kept saying it did, for moonkin at least
doesn't make sense since it says berserk and guardian required but idk
hushed bluff
Maybe they meant guardian?
tame chasm
nah they def mentioned moonkin, they had one of the moonkins in their group make it, so if they hit a FC map we'll see
fervent gull
Wait, i thought you meant if you where on balance affi while on guardian
Not a a clue bout boomy using it
tulip falcon
it only works for guardian spec
fervent gull
I have found myself with teams running a boomy for FC but i havent seen it work for them tbh
2.1 cr
tame chasm
yeah i've been hearing in the groups i've been in lately that people use moonkin FC
fervent gull
I mean, the strat, not the leggo
tame chasm
ic
haughty compass
Guardian / DH
tulip falcon
not seen a single one
fervent gull
i havent found myself with a team running warr either
smhw i heard they are good coz they leap all the way
tame chasm
yeah its just guardian/dh
tulip falcon
^
tame chasm
yeah that's what i figured
fervent gull
guardians are usually boomie offspecs
this gets you invited into good groups
tame chasm
i prob need to work on some guardian legendaries for fc
tulip falcon
just getting a rank 1 sleeper will be fine
tulip falcon
does this actually work? i tested it in a duel and still got kicked
like at the start of season
i didnt test it with boomie aff but i know i still got kicked with incarn using normal bear convoke
oh right
that makes more sense
thought you meant sleeper gave you kick immunity or some shit and i was like nah lol
ye
candid dragon
Wait. Am I misunderstanding this but if you use legacy as a boomy and incarn, you're CC immune if you convoke in moonkin form?
forest kite
Incarn lets u shift in and out of bear
mighty yoke
what nf soulbind are people using for resto?
primarily pay boomy, so im nf instead of necro
primal bane
boomie would be 10 times better if he had a true no-cast stun
roots too easy for healers to break out of
crude minnow
Even if you can break out of roots easily, it is still on a different DR than many ccs. Root beam is one of the strongest parts or boomy
primal bane
fire mages can last
over 10 minutes
with no heals
against a healer and a dps
please fucking patch this game im losingm y braincells
primal bane
why is mage
junior plover
But boy do they need tuning
primal bane
a caster
cloth armor
no fucking heals literally 0
the tankiest and hardest to kill class in the entire game
junior plover
Mage should have 1 barrier on a minute cd or even 2
primal bane
i just couldnt believe my eyes
i thought we won
i was legit
so close
they both werealmost dead
bam iceblock
diverted passive
HALF HP BARRIER OUT OF NOWEHRE\
primal bane
300% movement speed that DOES NOT DECAY
junior plover
Mages should fall over like rogues
primal bane
20 second double dash
junior plover
Really doesn't make sense otherwise
primal bane
infnite cc potential with polymorph that you literally cant kick
you kick poly you kill yourself
bc they fucking combust
jesus christ ive never felt more useless in my entire life
junior plover
Idk if you're playing a comp that can't cc the mage during combust
Or at least dispell him
primal bane
just watching mages do literally anythign they want
junior plover
That's not on mage
primal bane
and kick my cyclones so easy
junior plover
But ye mage is op
primal bane
and i have nothing else to do after that
i was playing lock priest boomie
vs double fmage
and a priest
we kill priest
and for a good minute
they live
kill our lock
perma sheep healer and kill me 4 minutes later
how is this real
any other dps in the game
would flop in 20 seconds max
after healer is dead
primal bane
i dont get it
you get a free poly
basically impossible to miss poly as fmage
mentally deficient you have to be to not just hit it everytime you want
then you just instacast combust bullshit
and essentially kick the other dps out of the game at the same time
but in short
the current S tier feels aeons ahead than even the A tiers
haughty compass
Fire mages don’t do dmg between combust tbh
junior plover
Oh they do
primal bane
they dont but they still farm it
the dmg is slightly better
than wrath spam boomie
its not 0
its definitively not good either
like
primal bane
5 seconds per fireball cast?
haughty compass
“Wrath spam”
junior plover
And they have combust every minute or so
primal bane
thats fucking insane
haughty compass
You get to free cast?
primal bane
you basicallyh have combust on 40-50 second cooldown
haughty compass
I can spam instant surges all the time
primal bane
unless you play against shitters who think mage is killable
if they pillar
you just shimmer disorient
frost ring
sheep
junior plover
Look
Mage barrier is now a 1.5min cd one charge
Hpal healing reduced by 20%
And the game
primal bane
surges outside of CA are just ok dmg, absolutely nothing special about them besides being instacast
junior plover
Would be glorious
primal bane
idk why theyre so hyped up
junior plover
I don't actually know if 20% less healing is enough of a nerf for pala funnily enough
junior plover
primal bane
i do 3 surges, thats 18k if everything crits in 3 fucking globals
junior plover
Imagine complaining about 18k in 3 globals instant cast outside of your go window
You feeling okay there?
finite turret
Is there some official patch notes you guys are fiscussing?
finite turret
Feelsbadman
junior plover
Ex blizz employee gave an interview
Said all pvp changes are basically if someone at blizz is like
Hey guys I think this is bad
And then they gotta go around
Ask people if they wanna support his idea
To go to higher ups
To propose a nerf
Not shitting you
This is Blizzard entertainments
primal bane
ele sham is like the ideal spot for any dps right now tbh
very consistent strong burst
decent cooldowns
squishy enough to warrant brain usage
does not have broken amounts of top tier CC
junior plover
All shaman specs are
Just as strong as they should be
Kinda crazy to think about that
finite turret
Few days ago i got rogue mage comps all day so after reading what you wrote @primal bane i feel your pain about mages 😁
primal bane
nah rmp is overrated
junior plover
I farm rogue mage
primal bane
disarm rogue high winds mage
finite turret
In 2s, rm
primal bane
but mage with like
junior plover
junior plover
I farm them in 2s as feral disc
primal bane
or a strong melee
junior plover
Probably the best matchup
primal bane
is so stupid
primal bane
ww/arms/ret legit can turn their brain off with a fmage
its like a pet for fmage
you tell them to focus one person entire game pve style
finite turret
Im usually rdru with arms warr
primal bane
fmage just completely locks the other 2 out of the game
finite turret
But they melt a person
primal bane
1 combust burst, not even full needed and its over
finite turret
Yap usually game is over in 4-5 secs
junior plover
I can't imagine warrior dying to rogue mage in the opener
primal bane
i dont even know
junior plover
It shouldn't be possible
finite turret
🤷🏻♂️
primal bane
whats teh advantage of having good dmg outside of your burst window
junior plover
As long as they're not afk
primal bane
like win by mana u mean?
primal bane
only affli comps do taht on purpose, winning by mana usually means both teams suck in some way
primal bane
or offhealer abuse
junior plover
They can't apply pressure back
junior plover
only affli comps do taht on purpose, winning by mana usually means both teams su...
Man you have no clue what you're talking about
Many matchups for many comps the gameplan is to win by mana
primal bane
like who
junior plover
Like anything vs RPM
junior plover
junior plover
Bro
sand spade
I am having big problems with people LoS during my GOs as Boomy, any advice?
junior plover
Every team has an offhealer
tulip falcon
it doesnt really change a lot about the statement tbh
junior plover
Sure what you said might be true in some way somehow
But what's the point of even typing it out
"Yeah only 95% of the games can be won by mana"
I mean yeah
primal bane
bc offhealers dont do 70% of healers's hps outside of this meta
so win by mana is not a default
for every offheal
apparently almost every race can be a monk why tf they all pandas
junior plover
Also it's just not true because vs jungle or fmp or rmp
The default strat for most comps is to dampen and mana
It's not because of offhealers
Feral offheals plenty
So does mage
It's because healers have different strengths and priests are on a strict timer
primal bane
yeah bc the window beetween every cooldown usage typically is too short
i imagine at like a really high lvl of play
after you've used perfectly back andforth ur cooldowns
you probs have a 20s window max
boring asf
junior plover
I mean that's what wow pvp has always been
Arenas anyway
Creating windows of opportunity for yourself
primal bane
yeah hope we never go back to that lmao
playing 2 dps 2v2 is 10 times more fun than any arena season in wow history
tulip falcon
you can do that in any season
junior plover
Yep
primal bane
never saw it until now
tulip falcon
? double dps literally has been a thing as long as arena has been a thing
junior plover
2dps was literally broken in bfa
primal bane
tf
primal bane
in whichpatch of bfa?
tulip falcon
yes?
edgy shale
they ate several nerfs but it didn't really change muhc
tulip falcon
destro has been good at many points since the mop rework
when it first launched it was broken af
primal bane
thats like the whole point
tulip falcon
i find that there's usually more
junior plover
Sure if that's your thing
tulip falcon
healer dps 2s is so fucking boring imo
at least with double dps the matches are short
primal bane
i actually needed a lot of tiem to try 2s
because in 3s bfa first season
i larned that nothing fucking dies in arena
and i thought to myself
junior plover
Meh i average 3 minutes with feral disc
primal bane
how the fuck do you even kill something in 2v2
primal bane
with a single dps and a single healer
junior plover
Well turns out
You actually gotta think
To kill with a healer
Implying they'd even take anyone for free
junior plover
Game dev kek
When all of your employees are there because of a childhood dream
You can pay them fuck all
That's why I'm doing boring automation work and not game dev that I might find some passion in
tulip falcon
tbh I don't think that they don't know how to fix PvP it's more that it has such a low priority in the game and it's hard to for them to get changes through in case it affects over areas of the game
tulip falcon
at least that was insinuated a few times by holinka in the past
junior plover
tbh I don't think that they don't know how to fix PvP it's more that it has such...
According to the ex blizz employee who worked on pvp
There isn't anyone actually tasked with reading player feedback
primal bane
i put +10 m+ i get 60 applications in like 2 minutes
im sitting 20 mins to find 2 players for a 3v3
junior plover
So if it gets noticed that's because devs find it on their free time
primal bane
at the most common CR right now
junior plover
And there's no mechanism for them to actually start a process of a pvp patch going
primal bane
if i was blizzard id feel very generous to not shutdown pvp as a whole
junior plover
They have to talk to other blizz employees
Convince them
Then go together to lead devs
Convince them it's worth the dev time for such a small playerbase
It's all a mess
primal bane
yeah and theyre kinda right ngl
tulip falcon
well also those "secret" forums for feedback from top players was also exposed to be a joke
with how blizz treated it
junior plover
Wouldn't hurt to hire 1 balance team member
Don't get me wrong this is one of the healthiest metas in a while if not for the 2 motherfuckers
Who had to ruin it for everyone
primal bane
if pvp got an overhaul and was more about movement/self defense rather than trading cooldowns with da healer
i think it would revitalize the playerbase by a lot
junior plover
Go play league mate
junior plover
And let people play the game that they've played for 12 years
primal bane
yeah thats the reaction i was expecting too
junior plover
primal bane
3v3 no healers every dps class now has fmage levels of survivability
lets add it as a brawl
clear pulsar
Sounds like something you'd say when you're hardstuck challenger after 800 games
junior plover
We already are in damp meta tbh
clear pulsar
'Yeah lets overhaul how arena works pls"
primal bane
when face insults me half the arena playerbase does
clear pulsar
That's a cop out
primal bane
how do you feel to have so much poer
junior plover
I don't think there's a single glad mw
clear pulsar
I literally didn't throw an insult your way mate
junior plover
I got bodied by a mw in 2s today
Well
By his warrior
He didn't do muxh
2.2k cr so probably like top5
In the world
Kek
2.1k is top 120 feral tbf
primal bane
no kek
junior plover
Ah no that's eu