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Yes
i love running into some of these defias people out and about
farmed nasim in rbgs last week or so
he still plays his warr
Yeah
some of them literally haven't changed
we beat him the other week
Kyrian or nightfae for boomy
Pins
i love it when im in an RBG group and its kotmogu
and only 4 people speak
absolutely love it
it's so great
Play 1 min build with a disc
It's hard to consistently climb through random in lfg
Try to find like 1-3 people you like who have a class that somewhat complements yours
Prot, hpal, sub rogue, fmage there are prob others too



Where are u getting that from
the last 10 days have been the worst 10 days of my 20 day RBG career
REFlex
(addon)
RGB kek
went from 2112 to hardstuck <2050
Time to retire

My favorite part is when my whole convoke actually goes off
GIMME ROGUE MAGE
if u substract 600 mmr from rbg atm thats the arena equivalent

cause it takes 4x as long to get there
i mean ive seen people legit backpeddling at 2500 mmr this season because they happened to win a few games in a row
so
probably
because no glad mount in rgb
U can get 2.1k not too bad as boomie
Took me like a week having never played rbg in my life
the cr just takes a long time to farm
Yolo to 1400-1600, then apply to groups with slightly higher cr than you
Add the good players and the leaders
If u have to starfall to pad so they think you're good
I mean it's mostly about perception at that cr
Almost no one is looking at details. And I'm not saying starfall constantly and lose but if you have to pad some so they think ur #1 mega damage it helps getting invited back
Yeah there are
tbh easiest way to carry pugs is just to play objectives if you're something like a boomkin
fuck teamfight
I'm at 2.2k and the only groups are 2k and 2.4k
people below 2k mmr dont know how to defend properly and will trinket random shit
or put weird classes on def
so just play objectives and inc
Idk I also find they are bad at teamfighting so u can clap the teamfigh t and roll over them
idk if you're good playing objectives on certain maps is the easy way to carry
as something like a boomkin or rogue
Yeah, I mostly didn't because I didn't even know all the maps much less how to play objectives
have queued alts at low mmr and seen people defend with adaptation, get hibernate capped or trinket the first cc that hits them so many times
You can only cap thru a root though right cyclone isn't long enough unless they are some pepega melee
Ya but u can't hibe players most of the time unless I am dumb
i got one guy hibernated in caster form once last night, unlucky timing
well he just shifted too late
since you can still shift out while hibernated
but it wont matter
nope
ye but it won't break the cc if it's already hit you
Oh
ah that's probably what happened then
Icic
it's just a statement of them saying "i know what I should've probably done"
man I love Niya feral
its like good old days
of first 2 weeks of season
people die in 2 convoke bites
Niya #1
ptsd from early season
Idk how to make my starsurges hit harder
They max like 18k and that's when I'm cheesing with bell
I have boat
But 18k is pretty rare it's usually like 14-16

I'm only at 24% mastery 22% vers
but crit dreambinder surges will hit harder
I actually agree theres a huge difference since he mentioned max 18k
implying they already crit
Like the dude above a while ago got hit by like a 26k full moon mine only ever hits for 20k crits
Rip ok
Thats in convoke tho
which is 40% more damage
or so
Yeah but my incarn convoke trinket full moons are never that high
Still only 20k ish
are you running niya
im so angry
Hey guys any pro Balance Druid here ?
Yes I am niya
Even when I incarn + convoke + bell cheese I max out like 18k surges
215 equipped pvp
My rings are sub optimal I have a 197 vers/mast but a 203 vers/crit heavy crit
It gives like 100 crit 100 vers
Most of my gear is conquest gear that is either haste or crit, I have mastery on boots (lego), I think helmet and then legs
I checked vendor and all the pieces I have haste or crit on don't have a mastery option anyways
So I guess I just need to upgrade my rings mostly if I want more mastery
Isn't haste and versa main stats ?
Haste doesn't make my surges bigger
ye but he wants BIG dick hits
I have seen people talk about a lot of different orders so I ignore them mostly
I'd say haste is surprisingly meh for convoke owl
if you look at high level gameplay in 3s
you just spam clone
clone
clone
and instant spells
hence haste
Yeah but
to help get those clones off
you clone so much
That's the one I saw
haste = faster clone time too
Ye but it doesnt matter too much if you literally cast 7 or 8 clones in a row
doesnt amount to much
you just keep casting clone on cloned people
anticipating dispell
personal pref IMO
yee for sure
haste or mast work
I have found best results just have bigger burst in my surge windows so I am trying to do that tbh
Clone = cyclone?
its definitely not hugely important tho
vers > over all
yeah cyclone
I find the casting so slow I def going haste and vers main stats
theres generally a recommended percentage for haste to reach
I'm night fae tho
NF should be personal pref
I'm at like 5% haste tho
yea thats low
I take mast>haste>crit but most of my gear has been crit over haste so
Just unlucky I guess
to be fair one big advantage of haste is that monk is really popular
and you get to clone their fist
I would trade my crit for haste if I could
In my head works like this if I can cast 2 spells in the time you cast 1 I do more damage
Well yeah
im 5 crit 13 haste 17 mast and 29.5 vers surge crits in incarn around 22k ish with dreambinder
That's like 100% haste
but a lot of your damage is instant spells
casting as boomer lul
icyveins 
@foggy ravine ilvl?
Startsurge?
217

it doesnt no
which legendary bis for boomkins
no lol
So I think I just need dreambinder then over boat
convoke always casts 16 spells in 4 seconds
I thought it would cast them faster
haste does nothing for it

nope
This is so sad
I have both boat and dreambinder but I prefer dreambinder
goes for most channels in general afaik
Boomkies don't cast ? ๐ค
like with dreambinder if you get your convoked kicked that fine you can launch 4 starsurges with the fat mastery buff still lol
thanks man love u
starsurge
Yes startsurge
Starfire 
But you need astral power from that
you dont use dots for damage
And that comes from were ?
For 2s/3s foe or solstice?
I use wrath and the other one ๐ถ
imo preference unless kyrian then foe
^
I like foe for a bit more burst on goes
i prefer FoE in general for arenas
gives you an extra surge or 2 during a burst with dreambinder
but if ur a boat memer it loses value
Why
doesnt give u an extra SS in boat window
Oh man I have so much to learn LOL
I should just suck it up and go dreambinder and take 197 boots
yes
you go into eclipse with around 90AP
drop foe and then start launching starsurges
with dots up you ez get 6 surges in that burst
Foe?
fury of elune
Fury of elune
Oh right
when u pop bond
^ exactly
Bond kekw
Which guardian druid legendary for rbg's?
sleeper
What do u think i am a skilled player
I normally go foe and cast convoke
if I didn't play both resto and boomy i'd be kyrian
never FoE before convoke
Oh shit
@devout frost is sleeper the immune to cc one
wastes the benefit
ye
Why not NOW?
My swifty macro is shit then xD
I made like cast foe trinket that gives intelect and cast convoke
PFFFFD
-900 is then
Is sleeper just way better for burst windows
IQ*
immune to cc as guardian run across mid ez
you play guardian for FC
Also what aff do u go as guard
Reformed CR ?
Feral aff for move speed?
Any way to fix the travel form bug which makes u slower than you should be?
there is no bug like that
just called being in combat
aha
@proud crest I do that
Works all the time
In combat just go cat and put your racing boots on
Ofc bear 1st to get the buff for damage reduction
Then I go cat and boot it or use my night fae vulpin and jump the fuck out of there while doing a 360 and mass entanglement them all
๐คฃ๐คฃ
Btw guys, I've asked this before but i dont think i got any answer, is there any reason for saving the honor gear over your conquest gear?
Will it get better than conquest gear down the line?
it wont
caps at 197
until later patches
in which conquest ilvl will increase too
@devout frost what's your main spec ?
yeah i thought so too
boomie atm
@devout frost cr ?
im 2.1k and not pushing until sire dead
dont have many hours over to play rn cause of rona
I have loads of questions about boom
Which I don't know the answers
Like when should I use sunfire or moonfire? Because I use them both at the same time and just tab and try to get and many people with sunfire and moonfire as possible then I cast starfall
But idk if that's correct
Then when should I use wrath or the moon one I forgot the name
huh
no time because corona?
i only have time for pvp because corona
Probably key worker .... ??
yea key workers don't have that luxury atm lol
only reason i started playing wow again was because im forced to work from home
and could do all the boring shit i didnt want to do while working
I got addicted to classic wow on first wave
now I'm addicted to pvp
my performance dropped 50%
I couldn't stay at home doing nothing not for me
probably
Anyway can someone answer my questions ?
I wish but im kitty
dont starfall in rbg either
Ohhhhhh
@scarlet pelican assuming we are talking about arena: you should be trying to keep moonfire and sunfire up on most targets for constant pressure AND as an astral power generator. Starfall i dont think is quite worth the astral power. your general playstyle will be to keep up the dots, build astral power w/ wrath + dots. spend big astral power w/ eclipse procs into kill targets (ideally 3+ starsurges back to back_
starfall just pads meters in rbgs and is bad
starsurge is the reason you want to play boomie rn
And keep dots and use wrath to generate Ap
^
So this is the situation I'm in right now
why tho
druids in AWC
definitely starfalled
a whole bunch
well not a lot but a few times per game
When do I use Wrath or the moon one ?
i dont think so except convoke typically will cast one
Nope specifically hard cast
I remember thinking "huh"
because i also thought you shouldnt cast it
hard cast?
just cast by hand
you sure you thinking about the same ability?
wait
starfall is instant
wrath > starfire typically, simply b/c its just an astral power generator and filler. only exception is ofc when you are pushing yourself to the next eclipse
ohh
you thinking of starfire?
lol
lol
starfire is used to push into eclipse
Right I'm learning a lot I like this !
not a terrible idea in situations where you have to kite, but your WW partner is cleaving the double melee team
could justify starfall there
SOOOOO RECAP: DOTS ON ALL TIMES, Wrath to generate Ap Starfire to enter eclipse, very very rare to cast starfall, reach 90 AP and blast starsurge over and over & repeat again !
Got it right ?
Clones give ap ?
no
no
I use it already
theyre just good
you should use it off dr on everyone pretty much
its the best cc in the game when used properly
when youre not going
Dr?
diminishing returns
Ah right
best to watch some high level gameplay from a streamer
awc isnt really a good representation of rated arenas
So when should I use convoke?
And how
Because people say to not use foe before convoke
depends on your rating too xD
Youre looking for a window where the opponent has no answer to your convoke
cuz a full convoke is a gg
these windows change
but for example into mage
you wanna wait until counterspell is gone
Is there anyway I can make my convoke stronger ? In terms of damage ?
being in an eclipse
niya soulbind
or incarn
^ these in game
since mastery buffs your damage
What about sunfire ?
keep dots on everyone
if moonfire is already on a target, convoke will not recase moonfire on that target
See this gets me because people go haste versatility and then mastery
yeh cuz haste = more GCDs in arena
but haste makes dots tick faster for more AP and faster clone casts etc
and faster clones
and how often do you get to just spam wrath or starfire uninterrupted?
Got that but where does versa come to place ?
Fucking hell
vers boosts damage and makes ya tanky
Thank you all for your wisdom
like I have 30% vers so thats 30% bonus damage and 15% reduction
yuge
ya then 40% bonus on top of that
trinket bonus on top
How do you reach 30% vers? 226 ilvl?
sounds like it
I def gonna focus on that
im 216 in boomy gear 220 in resto
So legendary, balance of all things for boom right ? Where do I build it ? Leg or feet where can I get better stats ?
I use dreambinder but its preference really boat or binder
i Have boat built for feetand binder chest
idk if thats right but yolo
i think dreambinder is a more consistent leggo than BOAT, but people do like both it seems
I use boat for ctf maps in rbgs
def seems better for RBGs where you can get more freecasting off
rbgs I normally binder unless going for an efc kill
cuz a guranteed crit into stacks is huge
I will go pants thrn
Then
Raid environment is super toxic
Can't be asked
Rather pvp
haven't touched raid yet
I cant be bothered scheduling time for a guild
but would like to try it at some point
yeh ngl based on wow pvp history that comment is ironic
raiding itself is fun
exactly the scheduling is the hard part
but i wanna raid on demand
and pugs are not fun
i am well aware that im a top3 member of the group and everyone below me will waste my time in a pug
and its infuriating
Good enough to kill this boss? Better try 100 attempts before you get the right pug
no worry lion, thats what this channel is for
For the lego I was thinking buying the 235 iLvL legendary but my friend said I need 5k soul ash to out my legendary there ...
I thought it was 1250 to put the legendary on
The memory in the legendary
For rank 1 yes.
yeh lookup "how to craft legendary" on wowhead and you will be able to find a chart
Straight to rank 4 is 5.2k
what potency conduits you think for feral night fae / niya
1250 soul ash for 190 legendary
You need to pay each time you upgrade
5k total for 235
i am using TfB and CoE righ tnow but i think coe is overkill
Oh damn
theres a lot to break down there, you dont "lose" any ash by crafting early though as you can spend remaining ash to upgrade
And you gotta buy each ilvl piece each time
exactly
r1 are cheap from gold perspective, so yes imo best is to do rank 1 then save ash to upgrade to rank 4
why I do 190 then 235
or you could skip 190>235 and save cash
So you telling me I have to pay 140k for pants and then 5k soul ash ?
Thays bullshit
Rather go rank 1 and lvl up with soul ash farming
You could just save the 5k ash & go straight for 195
rank 4 leggos are expensive
you still have to buy the next rank of gear to upgrade the legendary too
I've done 190>225 & now saving for 235
you will still have to buy the base piece when you upgrade BTW
so you spend less gold if u just farm all the soul ash beforehand
and craft a high rank
ya
otherwise u have to buy all the diff ranks of gear
Oh my days
if you buy each rank of gear you like throwing gold away
But 5k is a lot of soul ash xD
4 weeks worth
for highest ilvl in the game
It's a few weeks of layer 8 haha
Exactly
or 3.5 something like that
you get 1140 per week without mission or quest
1 month for my lego
so it's 4 plus some missions and shit
im a leggo addict 3 190s and a 235 xD
Dear god I'm gonna die
or 4 tier 1 leggos
unelss you count having r1 already
I have nothing
Got some questions for a boomie that does rbgs 2100+ if you could dm me โค๏ธ
I have the memory
yeah like i have apex for pve r4
what ya need
and ij ust made eye r1 this week
Just need the soul ash
I have 2 resto leggos and then boat/binder
fuck man
now i gotta wait 3 weeks for r4 eye
(symmetry)
imagine being
rank 1 feral
then dc'ing me with mc
then lose the game
then emote at me when losing
smh
is 0 3 7 viable?
Should I craft the lego now then or get the 5k soul ash then ?
: )
did he play with her/
hahaah
I craft r1 leggo then save for r4 cuz I want the power not so much the stats
french players biggest simps
womacita
I'd craft 190
yeah
then save if you don't have the cash
responded to wrong person oops
i wish i could play feral rdruid with our boi @tardy hare
Hm at least I would have the lego there doing damage I guess
r4 helm was only 60k on my server last i checked
come eu alli bby
that is like 2 hours of skinning bugs
spread that out over 3 weeks nbd
So you saying I can get 190 ilvl and then save soul ash for rank 4 and jump 2 3 ?
eu more toxic
@tiny oar disgusting vaseline
yes exactly
What about the memory tho does it disappear?
AHH
same with missives

only one time
is 208 ilvl gearlet now?
well soul ash will be the same no matter what
damn
so if you are rolling in the gold just upgrade when you can
i wake up every day, and iam thinking if i should try hard a bit again or not, every day same answer ๐
insane

Yes but I need to get that 5k soul ash
ehhh
That's a lot of farm
so
there is really no difference
if you upgrade 1 to 2 to 3 to 4
or 1 to 4, in terms of soul ash
lol
lol
so in that case just upgrade every time you get to the breakpoints
If I'm just playing PvP, is gearing through JUST PvP viable?
Soul Ash Crafting Costs
Rank 1 (iLvl 190): Requires 1250 Soul Ash
Rank 2 (iLvL 210): Requires 2000 Soul Ash
Rank 3 (iLvL 225): Requires 3200 Soul Ash
Rank 4 (iLvL 235): Requires 5150 Soul Ash
Soul Ash Upgrade Costs
Rank 1 to 2 (iLvl 210): Requires 750 Soul Ash
Rank 2 to 3 (iLvL 225): Requires 1200 Soul Ash
Rank 3 to 4 (iLvL 235): Requires 1950 Soul Ash
OK cool, thank you for everyone help I learned a lot today !
more viable thaN PVE GEARING
@turbid jolt thank you !
pve gearing omegalul
rbgs for gear >
I will follow your advice
That being said like 1/3rd of my gear is vault pve gear
2100 rbgs is like 1800 in arena
I will get 190 and upgrade that way I will get the effect from the legendary
Also you can have double Vers Mastery rings if one is pve
or Vers Haste
or whatever you want
Been trying to do 2's, but always come up against 210/215 ilvl who walk over us
U gotta git gud friend
2s is all warrior / healer
Not true
ya not true
I know, I'm looking for a guild right now to push with
hyperbole
lol
Do we walk into them @primal bane ?
here we go again
thats all you need
ofc gear makes it easier
but snuppy got 1.9k in 2s on a 160 feral like last week
so its not an excuse
ofc youre probably not top5 feral eu
but the sentiment is there
if top 5 best feral player in the contintent can do it
everyone should be able to i think
lazy milennials
wait what
that happened years ago
whats rank 1 defined as then
rank 1% but that doesn't even make sense with how it is
what gladiator used to be
are u polish kid @junior plover
yes
elo
elo 
in cata it used to only be the actual top team who got the seasonal glad titles
so the name just stuck for the current ones
until cata rather
shouldnt this team comp be obliterated bc no frontline?
then in mop they changed it i think?
your healers are the only thing thats right
no warlock either
warlock is whatev
bro this shit gonna be ugly
hella stealth so that can make node maps a bit easier I guess
i just lost a rbg
with a 037 comp
we were on gilneas
and shotcaller decided we will ignore mid and just go on theirs
they 1v1 destroyed our defender
and capped all 3
ah the random bg strat nice
only works if other team is brain dead and doesn't look at you lol
nah but i knew we were gonna get fucked
when teh shotcaller was mumbling the entire strategy
its just "go their base" but made it take 1 minute to say
guys letz rush LH they will never suspect!!
i mean we did almost cap but its still so shit
hello guys, i would like to remind u, that its my channel, and please be nice to eachj other
so easy to re-cap or lose the other 2
ya i've seen teams send a stealth push and spin mid
and that works nicely sometimes
pretty normal
ya
ghost base with rogue boomie
Actually going straight forward their base is not a bad strat
its awful to just rush back base on gilneas
Everyone tends to go wws so its a easy spin
you are fighting on top of gy for no reason
But you gotta take a ninja team to spin wws afterwards
idk everytime a team has done that vs my team we end up with ww for free and spin our first node
Its a good diversion
it works if you can trap the other team rotating back but most teams at a decent mmr will notice it
ye it wont ever work against any team with a slight amount of brain
At 2k they still dont
Do you need to win in your weekly bracket, or simply play one for weekly?
Wtf

Win
pls dont do it







this is the most epic mexican standoff in history
stop
on water probably
'^
I prefer to make boats on a stand

God dammit ๐

I dont actually know tho
feet and legs
feet if you are pve andy
cuz there are raid legs that are good apparently
legs it is then! thanks mate
x2 boomie 1 rogue 1 mage 1 warr 1 ret is good dps slots for rbg?
If they do big pump
yea
but every comp can't be perfect meta
lock is good for corruption slow as well
you need another slot there anyway
the idea of being unstoppable killing machine if ur not focused 24/7 sounds so nice
but bfa lock was shitty so i never realised they could be this nice
If you wanna run an extra melee, dk or monk are good there
bfa destro was something
DK+Warrior is my fav melee to have
that we all want to forget
my main team is rdruid disc hpal - rogue dh warrior monk ret dk mage playing at 2600 mmr
priest lock shaman
in what
3v3
wasnt this about rbg
Boomie war can feel underwhelming. Spear+beam is disgusting. Arms has 1m goes and boomy has 1m goes
Convoke with war+boomie cant go off reliably though, so dont rely on it
Boomie should only be paired with casters
ye i switched it up
change my mind
boomkin ret enters chat
boomkin+ret didnt work well for me due to no reliable slows. But it obv slaps
I played hunter boomy hpal some and it was fun
lmao
Should I make my 3rd char an hpal or a disc priest? I feel like hpal may be nerfed a bit so disc is prob equally good idk
Also I like rbgs more anyway
I made a disc alt
Feels pretty fun to play
disc hpal both meta for rbgs
Instant groups too
they're pretty equal in rbg
disc is fun
I ended up focusing on rsham alt instead
love it
also kiting as rsham in arena is nice
Ew gross pvp
answer 

From 30% to 39%, there's a 10% penalty.
From 39% to 47%, there's a 20% penalty.
From 47% to 54%, there's a 30% penalty.
From 54% to 66%, there's a 40% penalty.
From 66% to 126%, there's a 50% penalty.
You can't get more than 126% from gear rating.```
ye its 10% of whatever is above 25%
That's what I have, not sure if it's still accurate
I think they loosened it recently
before we fine
so anything u gain after 30% will have 10% taken off
then above 39% its 20% etc
thought it was still 25% so i was starting to think about it
happy days
yea no clue about trinket bonus
You're also further away from it than you probably think, as it's after base values a lot of the time
@lime light
@void nimbus what's the addon that shows the penalty value?
F!!!
O damn down 200 cr u go buddy
those pug groups who value vers > everything will never take me now
What is going on with those groups shots whack
i finally stepped into 3s last night after i got ptsd from the first 2 weeks
doesnt seem as bad
Yea pretty decent now
i have hopes for next season in terms of taming all the wild shit atm
Haha yea xd
i think there will defo be some changes before next season but its already scuffed regardless of what they do atm
Blizz tuning soon TM
do we know what is happening with soulbinds conduits and renown etc because its not going to take long to max this out
is there going to be more borrowed power systems every patch like bfa
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Yea imagine we finish these horseshit renown campaign questlines and they come out with 9 new ones next patch
Holy FuK
i cant imagine what else they will do
whenever they do borrowed power shit it usually gets added onto throughout the expac
i guess legion didnt really
oof hopefully not more of those campaign quests - those point and click between cinematics is so fking boring - Imagine if you couldnt skip only the cinematics ๐ค
what spells can break kyrian spear?
I imagine every major patch we'll get another 20 renown levels or so
companions, cosmetics, maybe some more flat % stam
I doubt they'll continue the soulbinds but ๐คท
Na they are going to make us do m+ for conquest next
Thereโs no way the fuck up the pvp vendor right? They are just going to keep this same thing going right? Right....?
implying they didnt already under deliver on the vendor anyway
Are you implying this isnโt a massive improvement?
I dig the pvp vendor
It's a big advantage
what % of players do pvp actively, like for their own enjoyment not gear
kek
like 10%?
I do pvp when pve is over for the tier
idk theres people that play wow and literally just spam random bgs all day
Or when pvp gear is busted like now
During beta they said they wanted to not add systems through the xpack as they felt like it wasn't working. Hence the huge number of base systems, so I would expevt them to build upon the existing stuff rather than create new ones.
Starlord vs Incarn as boomer for RBGs? any tips
i am reaching tipping point of frustration with pvp
start feeling like its just not for me
think ill become pve enjoyer
@little temple starlord kinda better, convoke targets too many people usually to make it worth building one shot
so I called someone out today because they had starfall as top spell in RBG
and they just left after the game lol
it's pretty big
feels great doing 15s in full pvp gear barring 1 trinket
Do u guys actually take starlord a lot in rbg take whatever reason I hadn't considered it
yeah starlord > incarn
ya
I guess I am pepega
tbh I only take incarn for ctf maps for bursting an efc
^
Makes sense
if ur 1 boomie / rogue, take incarn for FC dunking
Otherwise just haste for dps
if 2 boomie / rogue, take starlord
can someone link me an up-to-date Guide for Resto Druids in RBG?
dreambinder + starlord synergize well imo
Yeah I'm just waiting on ash for dreambinder
I should have like 3.5k this week tho
I'll make a ring and get honor boots
binder goes on chest.
Cause my rings suck and I have 226 chest tho
I put dreambinder chest
but I can see reasoning for ring
then you can double vers/haste rings I guess
3 to 4 weeks prob I still need bracer + boots + rings
mastery is still very good for boomkin
And trinket eventually
I was gonna double vers/mast but depends on my stats I guess
I will think about chest
Bro they are cerebral players
they prob just dont play 2v2 or 3v3
They are general patton
how can u never play 2v2 or 3v3





