Isn't versa the go to stat?
#pvp
west pewter
west pewter
20% unbuffed
clear pulsar
Agi + stam > vers
blissful jackal
I can start going into arena now 
wicked gust
Neck doesn't have agi 🙂
west pewter
Agi + stam > vers
Yeah but at what amount is verse worth more? :S
True
Like 20 agi still better than 150 versa?
shadow quartz
im torn between crafting Timeworn Dreambinder or Balance of all things :/
tulip falcon
I'd personally rock the versa especially if you're only 20%
clear pulsar
Like 20 agi still better than 150 versa?
Check spell tooltips idk bro
Like generally don't drop more than idk 9 ilvls on armor slots
Probably can drop more and be fine for jewelry
tulip falcon
150 vers is like just over 4% i believe
clear pulsar
Yeah that's a lot ofc
But like you're not just giving up 20 agi right?
You're giving up probably 45 stam
Some armor
And the other secondaries
Idk
tulip falcon
ye depends what piece it is since anything with agi wont have 150 vers
clear pulsar
I don't like dropping ilvl, big hp = living large
tulip falcon
so i assumed it was about jewlery
edgy shale
i agree. living large is key. if it causes more stress on the healer, then they just need to get better at healing
west pewter
Yeah but the choice is that there is also a chest: 79 agi, 142, stam, 58 crit, 82 haste. ilvl 223. VS 72 agi, 126 stam, 45 haste, 86 versa, ilvl 213.
tulip falcon
i would most likely keep the 223 in that case
edgy shale
thats kinda a lot of vers but ya id take the 223
west pewter
The neck choice is 6 stam difference and 145 mastery for 141 versa.
clear pulsar
Yeah go vers
tulip falcon
ye so the vers one would be an easy choice
winter spindle
Is it worth taking double dps trinket over medallion in rbgs
west pewter
Is it more of an upgrade? I'm totally new to pvp tbh :/
tulip falcon
ye vers is your best secondary
tulip falcon
31% with 216 atm
west pewter
Damn
tulip falcon
wonder if anyones been as stupid as me
i crafted apex because I thought I was likely to PvE and that fell apart then also fully upgraded sleeper for RBGs
sorta wanna 3s again but obviously it's gonna take a bit before i can upgrade a symm to decent ilvl
is there anyone at all who uses apex at a decent rating
it doesn't feel completely awful but ye
placid minnow
There's barely any NF Druids above 2k Rating, does it become that negligible at that point compared to Kyrian? Also seen a lot of Necrolord Balance, for some reason
Thought it was only good for Resto
Also Feral = 100% Kyrian?
tulip falcon
vast majority of feral are kyrian above glad ye
few outliers who play nf but not many
clear pulsar
sorta wanna 3s again but obviously it's gonna take a bit before i can upgrade a ...
Apex is honestly just about as impactful as symm
Idk like
Symm is nice on Berserk but the 20% on 4cp bite is tilting
tulip falcon
yeah it's just a lot of RNG
I've had like 2 procs back to back in a game and other times I've had like 1 for a whole game
clear pulsar
Yeah it's like iron jaws kinda
tulip falcon
ye
i still have to grind mmr up anyway as I literally just started queueing so wont make much diff atm anyway
placid minnow
Sucks that Kyrian is such a death boring button
lucid galleon
I'm at 196/23% vers right now
tulip falcon
I was running BT with apex though and was sort of liking it so far
lucid galleon
Still got a number of gear to upgrade to 197, so should hopefully be sat at 202-205 tonight
tulip falcon
but would like to test symm still
lucid galleon
Looking to push some TBG's too so I can upgrade my conquest gear
coral sandal
is jungle any good with survival rn or is MM a lot better?
clear pulsar
Symm will prob be some great opener along with Korayn once we finish that soulbind @tulip falcon
But
I was thinking about curio
Cuz like
On opener you end up biting with less than 50 energy pretty often if you're trying to be quick about it idk
Sucks that it's only craftable on jewelry tho
150 vers in one slot is so huge
vast vapor
thats prolly why bean plays curio often in 2s
tulip falcon
ah thats a rip
clear pulsar
Yeah I think Curio isn't half bad idk, but I play NOW so often
Idk how willing I'd be to take a dmg leggo
I like vortex a lot better than incap roar so having the FR on demand along with resto aff is so nice sometimes
Same with typhoon in some maps/matchups
I mean it's meme af ofc
tulip falcon
ye vortex is nice af
clear pulsar
But it's nice
tulip falcon
i was shilling for guardian aff at the start of the expac but i run resto in most situations now
as feral
vast vapor
pretty used to incap already tho, feels weird to not be able to use it
west pewter
Yeah resto seems better and more versatile tbh
clear pulsar
I think guardian aff should be the default but I looove vortex, easily my fav piece of utility in druid kit
tiny oar
fuji n i queued sum feral rdruid bro every game is the most mongo hpal warr ive ever seen, its actually disgusting @clear pulsar
surreal loom
I feel like if you need to interrupt burst guardian is nice
if you need to kite something long term, resto is the way
vortex xuen/clones or ret etc
clear pulsar
I was watching a bit bro
Yeah fucking
Arms/ww hpal
Fucking
Grinds my gears
Yeah incap is soooo nice as a cast stop
For sure
coral sandal
is survival jungle a lot worse than mm?
clear pulsar
Fuji played it a bunch
I think he doesnt like it much
@stray sigil
Surv pet dying is big sad
And mm burst is absuuuuurd
surreal loom
survival is better I think, but you play it different
survival can disengage while mm cant really
tulip falcon
now i need to decide whether to just yolo and upgrade apex or save for symm 
clear pulsar
Just save
Idk like
One item's ilvl is kinda whatever!?
I mean
Coming from someone who's made 5 diff leggos on main so far
umbral moth
Hey guys - any tips for bommies who just got started with arenas? Been watching a few videos of supatease but maybe you guys can share some stuff u wish u knew when u started 😊
tulip falcon
ye my apex is 210 atm
clear pulsar
Ofc I'll say make a new one
lucid galleon
Hey guys - any tips for bommies who just got started with arenas? Been watching ...
Would also love to know, the pressure seems massive & I struggle to cope tbh. BG's are totally different.
umbral moth
Same. I get tunneled constantly on 1.3k
lucid galleon
Yeah, seaon high is 1384, currently down to like 1.2k
candid moth
Same. I get tunneled constantly on 1.3k
you wont once your get enough vers, frenzied regen conduit and enough stamina
clear pulsar
Don't bother playing without a healer if you're learning, hpal is best, rsham is also good, pool astral power to dump in bursts when you can secure cc on healer and kill target, go bear if your healer is in cc but you don't want to sit bear all game and lose pressure, watch cooldowns and don't trinket air.
Arena is a game of trading cooldowns effectively
candid moth
boomkin is an aweful target for most comps
clear pulsar
If you can use cc and/or mobility to avoid trading away a defensive when enemy uses a cd, it's good, but if you fuck it up you die
Walk the line
candid moth
also use your Typhoon, its really good against everything
dusky cypress
Any ferals here playing Frenzyband by any chance?
clear pulsar
Don't let rogues restealth, don't let fdk/ww/arms cleave you and your healer together, dispel hexes and lock curse as much as you can
Frenzyband sounds terrible bro I don't think anyone is playing that no @dusky cypress
lucid galleon
Keep moonfire active, keep pressure with Wrath/Starfire
Dump Starsurge when eclipse?
candid moth
dump when you have a go
clear pulsar
Watch some of the tournament games with boomie, see how they use mobility to avoid big damage, and coordinate crowd control with your team, you need to have a few surges for those moments
candid moth
ideally 3-4 of them
clear pulsar
Cross CC is big
Natures Balance and Shooting Stars will farm you astral power, it's not the end of the world if you can't sit still and hardcast cycling thru eclipses all game
lucid galleon
Where is a good place to find team mates?
clear pulsar
In-game LFG
lucid galleon
Playing with LFG without chat is a bit trash
clear pulsar
Playing with same person/people >>> cycling thru partners
So either idk start trying to talk to people and see if anyone's down to communicate with you and play together more
candid moth
add people if they behave nicely, maybe go on voice with them, makes it more personal and people are less likely to ditch you without saying a word
clear pulsar
Or network some in discords/guild/forums!??
Convince some of your pve friends that it's fun to learn together or something
candid moth
let them know they can get 227 gear from pvp and they will tag along 
lucid galleon
I literally play with 1 irl friend, so it's abit turd 😄
Moved server when shadowlands launched, so it's like starting again knowing no-one really 😦
clear pulsar
Also make sure there information you want/need is readily available and you're comfortable reading your interface
For instance you need to be able to tell immediately when certain cds are used
Omnibar/buff tracking on nameplates/whatever else very big
CC DRs also very important
Bigdebuffs is great, makes important debuffs very big on raid frames so you can tell when your healer is in CC
lucid galleon
I use Gladius for my frames right now, I think raid frames look cleaner tho imo
clear pulsar
PVP is extra rough if your damage and spell usage isn't muscle memory, the moment you start looking too much at your bars or weakauras to be able to guide your rotation, you're losing awareness of the rest of your interface and the rest of information you need to be paying attention to
@umbral moth idk if any of this is something you needed to read but
I talked a lot ^
lucid galleon
@clear pulsar - thank you for all of this, it was helpful for me too.
I'm pretty new to druid & recently changed my keybindings on WoW.
I think I will put some hours into BG's / RBG's where mistakes are a little more forgiving until I learn everything better.
clear pulsar
Honestly bro the best thing you can do for learning pvp is just getting used to the feeling of losing
Like
candid moth
dont look too much at rating
clear pulsar
Even if you climb to whatever rating goal you want ,eventually you'll go 50-50
Yeah like
Rating is a result of learning and improving
clear pulsar
You can use bgs to get used to stuff, like your spells and binds, you can use it to like, practice faking kicks or something
But arena pace is so different
queen drift
Its all about learning then put it into practice
candid moth
also dont translate RBG rating to arena experience. Most inflated season we had so far with people at 2.3cr in rbg who cant break 1.6 in arena
clear pulsar
Also like big time great for improving, if you can, record/stream your games, watch them back afterwards, way easier to spot mistakes to work on. Can also always ask someone else to take a look.
clear pulsar
also dont translate RBG rating to arena experience. Most inflated season we had ...
Tbh that's every season like
candid moth
but was it ever that bad? mmr seems fked
tulip falcon
this season is way more inflated for rbgs than any other i've seen
candid moth
you win 3 games at 2.1mmr and you will be 2.5mmr
tulip falcon
ye
candid moth
then you dont lose rarting cause of it
clear pulsar
Every team up until the very top few has a handful of players who just aren't individually good and aware of the game, deadass 2.2, 2.4k+ people in rbgs that click their defensives and cant make it past rival in arena every season
Ofc there are good players too
tulip falcon
never seen it like this before and I've done rbgs most seasons since s12
clear pulsar
But yeah
clear pulsar
this season is way more inflated for rbgs than any other i've seen
They may have done it on purpose
tulip falcon
seems like it
clear pulsar
Just increase the ratio of mmr gains idk to incentivize people to do rbgs for honor cap and easier gear upgrades for pve guilds and stuff
tulip falcon
i don't see what else it could be
clear pulsar
It sounds plausible
candid moth
I remember in cata everyone was that high because of casual wintrading but not because they simply had 40% winrate with inflated mmr
tulip falcon
ye the only bad seasons i remember for rbg before this were inflation due to wintrading in some of the early seasons
s9 and s12 were really bad for it
lucid galleon
It's just demotivation when you go on a good streak, I got to like 1383, excited for 1400 to upgrade my stuff, end up logging off back at 1.1k D:
tulip falcon
in s15 when i sweated rbgs i was rank 32 on ladder with like 2530 or something lmao
queen drift
Also like big time great for improving, if you can, record/stream your games, wa...
By far this is one of the best advice. I learned a lot just by reviewing my plays and seeing mistakes (mostly about positionning, paying attention to what surrounds me and what my mates/my ennemies are doing)
tulip falcon
nowhere near that now
clear pulsar
Yeah it's so much easier to spot shit you did wrong after the fact
queen drift
Yes for sure
tacit river
clear pulsar
Haha aight bro
vital parcel
omg, i got so good loot today
candid moth
same
vital parcel
1 hand vers mast or head with vers mars?
what do i do
probably gonna take the 1hand
candid moth
probably weapon, depends on what you have geared
vital parcel
both are good as i play most speccs
213 weapon is too juicy i think
but you were right, its 207 now, need to get 1.6k again zzz
clear pulsar
Tank some rating helping friends
Then get a winstreak back up for gear upgrades but end up queueing into rank 1s and glads all night
vital parcel
feelsbadman
clear pulsar
The contrast is so wild the first half of games you're steamrolling then the 2nd half you get steamrolled
vital parcel
whos boosting me to 1.6k so i can upgrade my mace
clear pulsar
lucid galleon
Who can boost me to 1.4? D:
jovial pine
Just go for rbg, that shit is hella fast to 1400. For 1600 the last few wins can be a struggle tho.
formal sparrow
as someone crap at pvp generally, I'm close to 1800 from rbgs. Can recommend
devout frost
maybe include region if u want to buy boosts
vital parcel
how many are na here?
lucid galleon
Kazzak-Eu 😄 😄
tulip falcon
probably not many na at this time
tiny oar
hello i am na boi
tulip falcon
isnt it like 6am on east coast rn
vital parcel
true true
edgy shale
im NA
tiny oar
yes
edgy shale
tulip falcon
i miss staying up until stupid time in the morning being a true razer gamer
flat abyss
What pvp talents do you use in RBGs? Please and thank you
vital parcel
as what specc
edgy shale
u know i could be a morning gamer!!!!
vast vapor
one of every tier
vital parcel
lmao
from what ive heard, u go moonkin, celestial and then high winds/thorns
but thorns might be garbo in rbg
vast vapor
3rd one doesnt really matter
edgy shale
ive thrown thorns on the enemies kill target and its clapped
vast vapor
but thorns is nice
junior plover
So
dear ferals
Niya or Dreamweaver this week
I kinda dig the 400 mastery on convoke
thats like 20% more fb and bleed dmg?
vital parcel
this week?
bitter harness
yes with this week's affixes
junior plover
Yeah Niya just got a potency conduit
bitter harness
bitter harness
it was a joke
junior plover
bitter harness
hence the 4head
junior plover
how dare you
vital parcel
bitter harness
i use humour to mask my depression
tiny oar
haha gottem
junior plover
i use humour to mask my depression
edgy shale
i been running niya as feral even last week unless im against some bull shit
bitter harness
so mostly dreamweaver then?
junior plover
lol
edgy shale
junior plover
I definitely think Dreamweaver was busted as fuck since it got the 4th conduit
i even ran it in pve
but dreamweaver/niya was about the same dmg last week
now its not even close
bitter harness
not even CLOSE
bitter harness
i like that i need to play niya as boomer in pvp
so i can just swap to dreamweaver for resto pve
no need to swap conduits and all that bullshit
vast vapor
I hate to not have the cc slow from dreamweaver as balance
junior plover
Haha imagine not having your opponent with no trinket in full maim
this post was made by feral gang
Yeah the cc slow is hooge for balance I'm sure
my healer will probably miss having it too after my roots/clone
bitter harness
it's nice but so is niya
junior plover
but that's his problem
bitter harness
fresh estuary
What is good class to pair with a resto druid on 2s ? I'm new to pvp so I look for a class that is more forgiving if I make mistakes from my side and can handle a couple of secs till I get rolling😋
junior plover
Warrior is the easiest one
tiny oar
ww/warr r both good ya
junior plover
Mage is decent
fresh estuary
Does frost dk also work?
junior plover
Could work yeah
tiny oar
but rdruid can play with like anything tbh
edgy shale
frost dk falls over
junior plover
altho frost kinda struggles in 2s
tiny oar
frost would prolly be worse than unh
junior plover
idk frost is a lot better in 3s but thats because they setup cleave
edgy shale
frost tends to be a lot better in 3s
fresh estuary
I mean I'm 1.4k rating now, got there with a warrior friend then he quit. I tried lock, was no go
junior plover
Warrior, WW, Ret, Mage all work fine
edgy shale
i would think a lock could survive for a couple seconds
fresh estuary
Warrior, WW, Ret, Mage all work fine
Cool thnx alot guys
junior plover
If you're convoke you can play feral affi with a feral druid but that's a bit on the harder side
obtuse ice
@tiny oar gm qt
junior plover
Survi hunter rdruid is surprisingly good as well
fresh estuary
I play necro😩
obtuse ice
Surprisingly?
patent dove
Necro is totally fine
obtuse ice
Always has been
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> gm qt
good morning ele
junior plover
otherwise not that surprising ye
obtuse ice
Sv rdru is a know comp in 2d
tiny oar
ya theres a reason kubzy n ssds are top of 2s ladder every ssn lol
fresh estuary
Gonna keep trying with the suggestions then😅
patent dove
Most important is to find somebody to learn with. That usually requires you to stick with somebody you have good chemistry with
junior plover
^
If I was 1400 rating I'd just worry about finding a friend willing to learn no matter what spec they play
Any of you watched AWC upper finals?
Where Cdew got popped by convoke?
patent dove
How on earth do you guys procc full moons in your arenas all the tome
vital parcel
yea
tulip falcon
yea that looked like a fun time
junior plover
they got a monk down to 10% through all defensives, he LOSd, Cdew literally died
kek
tiny oar
disgusting
vital parcel
why would he run back after he bubbled the guy
did he want to tank it or something?
patent dove
All i get is a bunch of surges
vast vapor
isnt that just one full moon on 3 targets
junior plover
isnt that just one full moon on 3 targets
looks like it actually
tulip falcon
dreamweaver with pala 😩
clear pulsar
Everytime you play podtender a real life kitty loses its life
clear pulsar
Where Cdew got popped by convoke?
He threw that game
fresh estuary
If I was 1400 rating I'd just worry about finding a friend willing to learn no m...
So yes that's the big point indeed!
clear pulsar
That first game where cdew died to convoke and sac dot was 100% a throw
junior plover
to be out of position for 0.5s
and lose the game after your dps just ate 90% through all defensives
clear pulsar
And yeah idk who asked but
junior plover
kek
clear pulsar
to be out of position for 0.5s
He was out of position for like 3 seconds
junior plover
2x conflux
clear pulsar
Rewatch that
junior plover
even better
clear pulsar
He actually ate half of the Convoke and a starsurge follow up
edgy shale
ur just running tfb+conflux, right? or is there any funny business?
vast vapor
other than conflux sucks anyway
junior plover
ur just running tfb+conflux, right? or is there any funny business?
conflux or tiger's fury depends
i run conflux
but tf is probably better in 3s
clear pulsar
My dreamweaver has TFB + CI
junior plover
wtf is CI
clear pulsar
Tf one
tulip falcon
i legit still havent had a tfb drop
tulip falcon
maybe i should
junior plover
I'm 2 pvp pieces away from bis at this point
so might as well get higher ilvl tfb i guess
tulip falcon
i didnt know it was up for conquest actually
junior plover
0.8% on bites is not a joke
it kinda is
but also isnt
i lost to a rogue vanishing on literally 1hp the other day
vast vapor
pvp loot so unfair, I had to take pve loot first weeks from chest and now its useless
bitter harness
yes
junior plover
its pretty high
tulip falcon
im fucking around with bt atm so i might aswell
edgy shale
big bite?
junior plover
I went BT too
but if I go niya
i'll drop it for sure
i just wanted that extra convoke range
forest kite
Hey guys, wich llegendery is moonkin using?
clear pulsar
to be out of position for 0.5s
Sry I was showering, just coming back to this, absolutely Convoke killing people 100-0 in the first half second is an issue that needs to be fixed, and it's easy yeah!? Just frontload the generic non-form spells to always be first and the damage ones always after.
But that game is really not it. Guy got the full cast off, dumped all of it on enemy players, no stops, and then even got follow up surges on Cdew. Like, bro it was just a throw straight up.
clear pulsar
Hey guys, wich llegendery is moonkin using?
Check pins. Dreambinder consistent, BOAT one-shotty kinda unreliable but good too, Circle is some pad damage that prob looks better on the overall damage meter but doesn't kill anyone.
junior plover
Yeah I agree it was a throw but when compared to stuff like Feral convoke where a full cast will more often than not not even kill from 100% AND you have to be in melee
To a spell that can be cast from huge range and can easily kill 3 people through full defensives
clear pulsar
Naaaah I mean
junior plover
It's kinda
clear pulsar
Well yes boomie can stack cds much better but
Niya Conflux feral convoke absolutely kills people
I kill disc priests in 2s thru PS from full
On a skull bash on shadow school
junior plover
Oh no it does I know
clear pulsar
It's actually hilarious like
Kick shadow mend is an instant convoke for me
Always everytime
clear pulsar
Yeah
tulip falcon
funny af
junior plover
I have too
chilly slate
what do you think about necrolords feral ? and that with lunar inspiration and deep draught [40% increase on single target from bleeds and moonfire] ?
junior plover
But when people start having 40k life
clear pulsar
Feral convoke is not nearl yas problematic but only because Berserk doesnt buff Bite and we don't have a crit leggo
junior plover
and 30% vers
junior plover
you really dont oneshot them in convoke anymore if you dont roll high
sometimes you roll 3 crit bites in a row
ye
clear pulsar
I am sitting on the 2nd step to reroll kyrian already just waiting for a 'fix' that kills the spell in pvp
junior plover
if they nerf convoke for feral and resto while gutting balance
i'll probably quit because fuck that
clear pulsar
Tho they could really just nerf crit damage
clear pulsar
edgy shale
clear pulsar
Feral's up there bro you're wilding
tulip falcon
2nd worst behind what?
tulip falcon
yea meant to type worst
clear pulsar
You're crazy
tulip falcon
i really don't think that's the case
clear pulsar
I would put it like arms / ret / ww > enhance / sub / feral > fdk > surv / unholy > havoc
devout frost
Feral went 0/7 day 2 awc
the fact that feral was played 7 times at awc
already shows its not shit
junior plover
the fact that feral was played 7 times at awc
I dont disagree
junior plover
the fact that feral won 3 games at AWC
proves its playable
but it only won day1 vs a team that got eliminated off that bo5
devout frost
proves it good not just playable
clear pulsar
Yes the best teams don't multiclass into feral comps
devout frost
all dps specs are playable
clear pulsar
Idk like
junior plover
idk about good
everything but dh/survi
saw play on awc
more than feral too
and with more success
clear pulsar
I don't think I can recall a game I lost where I left thinking I actually outplayed enemy and couldn't win
It's about matchups tho dude like
The feral teams only play one comp
Ofc they wont win tourney
Every successful team plays 3+ comps
junior plover
Yee fair enough
clear pulsar
Jungle teams only play jungle, then Zev only plays FLPala
Even cdew's team has multiple comps
And sam barely plays
edgy shale
jungle was owning in end of 8.3
devout frost
awc isn't the best measure of what is viable and what's not
whole of a lot better metric than random dude in discord saying "it aint good"
clear pulsar
The moment RMP becomes more prevalent Jungle teams will place way higher
tulip falcon
whole of a lot better metric than random dude in discord saying "it aint good"
ye of course lol
i just mean overall
clear pulsar
Until the RMP teams practice melee cleaves that counter jungle
It's natural cycle
Idk
Feral's very good
FPS feels crazy good the few games I've played
tulip falcon
i would love to fucking play fmp again but no mage wants to play that shit that i know
junior plover
Yeah you might be right I'm probably just a scrub and can't find opportunities outside of cooldown windows
Checked leaderboards and ferals seem to be doing fine in 3s
even got a 3k kitty
tulip falcon
of course
silver bone
it might be the feral burnout for you mayb?
devout frost
is fps with disc or hpal @clear pulsar
silver bone
it's hard to do your best when you're stuck thinking the spec you play is performing bad
junior plover
Nah
I love feral
I love playing it it's super fun
I'm just struggling to get past 2.1k right now because I feel like I do no damage outside of convoke and maybe a good berserk setup
silver bone
that's understandable
junior plover
Probably just gotta watch more pog kitties play
edgy shale
ya i wish i could be kyrian for pvp
so I can have a go every minute instead of 2 minutes
tulip falcon
been watching hydra play jungle
tulip falcon
silver bone
pvp is way too action packed and has too many variables to take into consideration for me but watching feral do pvp is always so entertaining and makes me feel more energized to get back into it lol
junior plover
2.8k NF feral
Yeah idk there's something about feral
classic wow awakened the kitty in me
clear pulsar
@rigid linden is 3k night fae
silver bone
ikr
junior plover
US?
clear pulsar
Put some respect on my boy's name
tulip falcon
interesting barely anyone plays nf on eu
tulip falcon
i was looking on ladder earlier because i was curious
tulip falcon
didnt check US though
junior plover
EU is like 10%
devout frost
cause eu pvpers are commited to pvp and dont need NF for their pet battles or timewalking dungs or w/e
tulip falcon
nf pet battles yes
junior plover
cause eu pvpers are commited to pvp and dont need NF for their pet battles or ti...
top tier shitpost tbh
clear pulsar
Yeah kyrian just garbanzo beans in pve cba rerolling rn
If it comes to a choice of garbage in pve vs garbage in pvp I'll go kyrian but for now
Night fae super playable
junior plover
Kyrian is comparable in pve
devout frost
its not
tulip falcon
yuck
devout frost
sims arent reality
junior plover
and your numbers wont be as high as a result
vital parcel
lmao
winter spindle
Que popped for RBG - instant DC. Try and log back in 6-7 times, DC every time. Wtf is this trash game
devout frost
there is a reason every raider rerolled
devout frost
and your numbers wont be as high as a result
the dmg u give ur friend is counted towards urs
in logs
clear pulsar
Nah fuck that noise
devout frost
who cares what details says lol
tulip falcon
gotta look good in those pugs bro
devout frost
i dont pug
junior plover
But youre right
blissful jackal
What resto legendary would be nice for pvp, the swiftmend one or the circle of life and death?
devout frost
What resto legendary would be nice for pvp, the swiftmend one or the circle of l...
swiftmend
blissful jackal
blissful jackal
Good shit, getting into pvp and having a hard time, are there any general tips/streamers i could learm stuff from?
junior plover
Check pins
devout frost
Good shit, getting into pvp and having a hard time, are there any general tips/s...
pins
cobalt swift
the median seems to be like 0.07%
devout frost
Kyrian is good enough unless youre doing mythic progression
if ur not doing mythic progress kyrian is even worse tho
blissful jackal
Oh, sorry friends
devout frost
cause any spec/covenant can clear aotc or m15 anyway
junior plover
if you arent pushing the highest difficulty content
tulip falcon
pve in this channel 
clear pulsar
I'd say the opposite
junior plover
you dont need that extra 2% or so
devout frost
its the opposite
devout frost
the lower the content the better NF becomes
junior plover
I agree with that statement
devout frost
because the difference between floor and ceiling is so small
junior plover
What I'm saying is
at that level of play you dont need that extra 2% because the boss will probably still die
vital parcel
junior plover
its not like you need everything you can get because the tuning is so tight
junior plover
if you care primarly about pvp then going kyrian is viable enough
devout frost
its not 2% ye
devout frost
its a 5% diff if you play at perfection
which an Aotc raider wont do
since not even top 100 raiders could play it at perfection
junior plover
Ok hear me out
edgy shale
it could be a 30% diff and sire will still die
tiny oar
junior plover
last time someone linked the sim
tiny oar
any feral frenzy rippers in the chat
junior plover
it was like 7% behind nf
edgy shale
I Rip. I refuse to only bhite
junior plover
FOR THE WILD HUNT
rigid linden
i mean like
tiny oar
tell em formy
clear pulsar
LEDGE AND DAIRY
tiny oar
thats a lot of bite
junior plover
184
clear pulsar
Formy dont kill world boss
candid moth
I started with Kyrian on my boomy and was so annoyed by the constant reapplying of that bind and getting pots, sending the pet away etc
tulip falcon
rigid linden
6 times
tulip falcon
got as one up
junior plover
I killed it every week and didnt get a single piece of loot from world bosses
clear pulsar
Haha
clear pulsar
Get dunked on
edgy shale
time for arena but no time for world boss...
junior plover
clear pulsar
15k stygia
I dont think I've farmed 15k stygia total
tiny oar
still have a 184 swarm conduit too feels bad man
clear pulsar
I always watch Oxy and Socks to see Formy play
But can never watch Formy cuz Formy never streams
rigid linden
LMFAO
clear pulsar
junior plover
swarm
junior plover
stream on mute
rigid linden
novoice full audio stream
tulip falcon
i got the 200 convoke condi from boss the other week
clear pulsar
Yeah do like lakerz
tulip falcon
was livid
clear pulsar
Just blast music and stream the gameplay
tiny oar
blast blast blast
edgy shale
i got a 213 SA today. thoughts on using it in pvp?
devout frost
30 dps increase Pog
edgy shale
junior plover
1.5% is pretty big tbh
tiny oar
@clear pulsar is there a big pumper resto pve dps trinket i need 2 pump keys
or is badge insignia fine
forest kite
spire trinket maybe?
devout frost
<@!102094910101913600> is there a big pumper resto pve dps trinket i need 2 pump...
badge insig fine
just equip ur circle and go to town
dont ask @clear pulsar for pve advice
he didnt even know
clear pulsar
@junior plover For patchwerk rn in my sims, Kyrian's 11.3% behind, Necro's 12.8% behind in patchwerk if I go LI SR, and Venthyr is 14.7% behind. That's such a non-negligible amount of damage bro. For dslice the difference is smaller cuz I didn't sim with balance affinity, but still 5.5%, 8.6%, and 11.3% for Kyrian Venthyr Necro respectively
devout frost
that solstice has 600% chance to trigger during CA
junior plover
<@!140517245880238101> For patchwerk rn in my sims, Kyrian's 11.3% behind, Necro...
Lol what the fuck
devout frost
<@!140517245880238101> For patchwerk rn in my sims, Kyrian's 11.3% behind, Necro...
wish i could sim with dslice
clear pulsar
Like yeah Kyrian looks 'ok' for keys yeah!? Except in practice like your partner will burst much higher before you and then all that burst will have no pool of damage to increase from cuz you don't do aoe burst like that as feral
junior plover
yeah makes sense
clear pulsar
The timing of damage matters a lot
cobalt swift
<@!102094910101913600> is there a big pumper resto pve dps trinket i need 2 pump...
most top people run the proc pvp trinket plus a random dps trinket
clear pulsar
Yeah insignia is actually nice
Cube insane
If you can get one
But if you have badge insignia that's all g
devout frost
bell + eo mostest insane
cobalt swift
8/ top 10 rio r druids run the proc pvp trinket so i guess its quite good=)
clear pulsar
The real conclusion to draw is trinkets rly dont fucken matter but yes insignia good
devout frost
🙂
cobalt swift
The real conclusion to draw is trinkets rly dont fucken matter but yes insignia ...
dis
clear pulsar
I made sephuz first on my warr so I can run badge + insignia in pvp @tiny oar
Human sephuz like a budget orc medallion
tiny oar
nice nice lol
devout frost
best pve setup is elder druid + pvp trinket + relic of the firstones @tiny oar
clear pulsar
Bro why the fuck can I not sim oath like
As resto
It doesnt proc cuz the sim sits in boomie form all fight
Maybe it's not even implemented
Idk
devout frost
simming healer
clear pulsar
Resto also only sims balance aff damage, running feral aff returns NaN
chilly slate
what do you think about necrolords feral ? and that with lunar inspiration and deep draught [40% increase on single target from bleeds and moonfire] ?
clear pulsar
what do you think about necrolords feral ? and that with lunar inspiration and d...
Pointless, if you're necro you should still run Sabertooth. Draught doesnt affect LI Moonfire.
Necro is pretty low impact
And running full dot setup looks ok on the overall meter but doesn't get you any pressure
junior plover
And running full dot setup looks ok on the overall meter but doesn't get you any...
Slight disagree
i actually played a feral disc mirror
into necro draught
clear pulsar
clear pulsar
I played necro for like a full week on main
tardy hare
clear pulsar
he dealt a shit tone of damage to me
100% was sabertooth tho like
junior plover
Oh ye
clear pulsar
LI is not good was more my point
junior plover
sabertooth 100
%
clear pulsar
That's what I meant with full dot
junior plover
Agreed then
Still wouldnt play necro
just play WW
or Arms
better in every way
chilly slate
anyway, any pros of necro ?
clear pulsar
Yeah like Draught is good overall damage and god knows feral leggos blow anyway
junior plover
Pros of necro is you can maybe play like an affliction feral meme lol
clear pulsar
Idk maybe if you play feral lock in 3s then you go LI Circle and just rot!?
Seems kinda pointless but could be something
junior plover
Yeah its a meme probably
maybe you can play a comp that wins on mana in damp
and just stall all game
with dots
chilly slate
bigger meme than venthyr in pvp xD ?
junior plover
nah venthyr is straight up unplayable im sure
clear pulsar
You're kinda doing yourself a disservice playing necro feral but you can make it to 2.1 for sure with it
junior plover
necro is like
playing fury instead of arms
why would you
but its still playable
clear pulsar
Venthyr is potentially useless, Necro always does 'some' damage
chilly slate
what about necro on resto or balance ?
junior plover
Resto necro is the way to go
cobalt swift
necro is mostly the go to as resto
junior plover
theres a few NF memers
but theyre mostly feral affi
who cant accept that bfa is over
chilly slate
feral aff not good ?
clear pulsar
Idk I have no respect for guardian aff restos bro
Any bracket
Thing is you really need it to win games
junior plover
chilly slate
i saw no restos in whole tournaments xD
clear pulsar
Thing is you really need it to win games
I mean you really need the rake stuns and stuff
junior plover
yeah not a single resto in awc
clear pulsar
i saw no restos in whole tournaments xD
Flop played it top idk top 12?
junior plover
but its not THAT bad
clear pulsar
Their team is a bit dysfunctional but they did ok all things considered
chilly slate
whats good comp to play in 2s and is easy ?
clear pulsar
Any good dps bro
junior plover
No feral comp is easy 
chilly slate
i mean as resto
\
junior plover
ahh
clear pulsar
Yeah pair with any good dps
junior plover
arms mage ww
basically the 3 broken classes just turn out to be the easiest to play too
in this meta
survi rdruid is spicy but a bit more involved
notably good with feral affi tho
unique current
Uhm, I'm just wondering if any druids/pvp experts could answer this question for me. So I did a skirmish earlier going against a Sub Rogue, Holy Paladin and Balance Druid. This Balance convoked and idk what they did but he was immune to interrupts (the cast bar changed to uninterruptible like half a second into the cast) from my entire team.
How did they accomplish this? I'm losing my mind trying to find the answers haha
cobalt swift
aura mastery and smoke bomb on convoke gg
tulip falcon
so you have to use some other cc
harsh surge
how did I never think about this
junior plover
Uhm, I'm just wondering if any druids/pvp experts could answer this question for...
Also BoP
possibly
lucid galleon
Anyone with an alt want to play with my friend in 2’s? He’s a boomkin looking for some rating 🙂
tulip falcon
Oh! Aura mastery empowering concentration aura?
yep that's it
junior plover
all the convoke cheese is why you never leave the pillar
vs pala boomie
its literally better to be collapsed on on pillar
than to deal with that
unique current
Thank you so much! I was actually so confused how it was happening haha @tulip falcon
clear pulsar
Anyone with an alt want to play with my friend in 2’s? He’s a boomkin looking fo...
Your friend
lucid galleon
Yeah, I’m sat in work haha
tulip falcon
lucid galleon
Well, on lunch at the moment haha
lament glen
hey guys , what legendary should i play for rbg havin BOAT for pve content but with haste mastery? (balance)
bitter harness
Well, on lunch at the moment haha
they seem to have mounted your steering wheel on the wrong side of the car
tiny oar
HA
bitter harness
silly koreans
good prank tho
meanwhile NA players are like "what's that third pedal for"
tiny oar
That goes for all of resto
bitter harness
just play boomie
bitter harness
yikes
tiny oar
best pve setup is elder druid + pvp trinket + relic of the firstones <@!23741211...
is this trinket a real thing wtf
20% cdr on convoke????
bitter harness
no
clear pulsar
clear pulsar
He got jebaited
bitter harness
idk
tiny oar
bro 😦
tiny oar
oh rofl
tiny oar
actually useless damn sad
lime light
How can u live with that fact
tiny oar
mdr
lime light
Or murican
bitter harness
not false
charred ocean
heya just found this discord 🙂 been having a dilemna with my pvp legendary for arenas - i thought getting life and death was best but apparently now verdant is really good?
clear pulsar
Hots falling off faster isn't necessarily a great thing
Cuz you end up having to maintain them more
charred ocean
ah
clear pulsar
Rather than being able to re-stealth, kite around, sit in bear form, etc
And then you also oom faster
lucid galleon
Steering wheel is on the correct side 😉
clear pulsar
It's good for damage tho
lucid galleon
Wish I got the auto though D:
charred ocean
yeah I have seen someone recommend the one that does more dot dmg on single target for 1 shots but dont think im that aggressive
lime light
Also wheel is on the wrong side sir
clear pulsar
Verdant Infusion does 2 things that are very good for pvp design wise, 1. it decreases your maintenance globals, 2. it can extend Cenarion Ward, essentially doubling the value of a small cooldown.
charred ocean
didnt even consider cenarion!
bitter harness
yoo hoo
tiny oar
woo hoo
clear pulsar
yeah I have seen someone recommend the one that does more dot dmg on single targ...
Draught? Yeah I've seen people play it, it sounds nice and all. It buffs both Rejuv and Germ if only one person, so that's nice. But it's definitely mostly played for the damage increase.
devout frost
Whats for lunch today lads
tiny oar
extended swarmed cw is the most disgsuting ST healing imaginable
charred ocean
ok thank you for the advice - think ill go for verdant.
lime light
Lasagna
tiny oar
lasagna sounds nice
autumn pine
For boomy/Fire mage 2v2 is it better to open from stealth with CC's, get their trinkets and then convoke + combust during a set up
Or do we just come out with our full damage cooldowns?
vast vapor
why no ps
tiny oar
full moon
brave shuttle
sullen geyser
is it worth it as a nightfae to build a different leggo than boat for pvp?
vast vapor
yes dreambinder is worth it
sullen geyser
why the fuck does grounding work through pillars?
vast vapor
but boat is just fine
sullen geyser
fuck this game
vast vapor
I've asked the same question once or twice
somber vale
What is the best pvp lego for balanced?
pallid coral
https://gyazo.com/d735f031a8c36114358a0b87e690bf54 hate ret plaadins
@tulip falcon idk if u remember zeyna
his mind is gone tho clearly
vague sun
technically he's right, just that when it happens the feral is also doing 10 times less damage than the ret because hes hardcasting out of form as much as he can 🙂
placid mirage
It's so tilting that almost none of the conquest gear is mastery it's all haste/crit like damn I just want vers/mast for huge incarn
clear pulsar
Not even close
sullen geyser
i wish i was playing feral instead of boomkin
clear pulsar
Feral offhealing actually goes oom @vague sun
placid mirage
U cast like 4 regrowth and you are done for a while
vague sun
as much as he can
placid mirage
Yeah but you can woggers way more than regrowth
stone nest
I mean Druid off heals Is big but they have like 4 heals in them
pallid coral
crit regrowth = non crit wog
sullen geyser
unless the guy is talking about feral with the double defenseive conduits
pallid coral
and you can cast 5 regrowths before oom
vague sun
yes im not saying druids do ret healing every game im just saying TECHNICALLY a feral could do equivalent healing but it involves hardcasting heals as much as ur mana allows and doing 0 dmg
while ret just continues to do top dps while healing :^)
stray sigil
ur not gonna do equivalent healing
tulip falcon
his mind is gone tho clearly
doesnt surprise me
dude was a nutcase a few years ago let alone now
lol
stone nest
Resto aff swiftmend do my than resto swiftmend
summer oasis
whats the fastest way to conq cap a fresh alt?
stone nest
Rbgs
summer oasis
probably impossible to get invited at 180 ilvl tho
clear pulsar
Hotw resto aff
tulip falcon
his mind is gone tho clearly
was he saying feral heals as much as ret?
clear pulsar
TREMENDOUS healing
pallid coral
yes
clear pulsar
Convoke in caster form too for good measure
stone nest
Just do a yolo group
tulip falcon
lmao
pallid coral
very cracked
tulip falcon
does he not bind word of glory
tiny oar
nerf rdruid pls
stray sigil
thats not mes
tough osprey
Is mother tree best lego for 2.2k+ mmr rbgs as resto?
clear pulsar
stray sigil
oh thot it was dew