pvp

[edgy shale]

I've had situations where I have no trinket and i get bashed into hibernate, hibernate, hibernate, clone, clone, clone

i was like PARTNER WHERE ARE YOU, but i was crying the whole time that happened

[bitter harness]

I used hibernate on a shaman last week

in an RBG

[bronze patrol]

tyvm!

[tiny oar]

[edgy shale]

[clear pulsar]

You know you can cancel form while you're ccd yeah?

Like

Bro

[edgy shale]

[clear pulsar]

[edgy shale]

thats pretty cringe

[clear pulsar]

You're getting TRIPLE hibernated?

[tiny oar]

[bitter harness]

what really makes me chuckle is shadowmelding at the end of someone's cast

aimed shot especially

[tiny oar]

Imagine being able to play alliance

Thought u were a chonker kultiran @bitter harness

[bitter harness]

nah that was my 2nd druid

[tiny oar]

Oo nice

[limber plover]

I don't

know I do

[tiny oar]

My main is fem troll now I look badass

[queen copper]

how do you get hibernate 3 times. cancelform

oh yea glyph got it

[edgy shale]

[queen copper]

but why so complex @vestal citrus /cancelform

[split pollen]

is there a list of what self and friendly cc convoke will target/avoid?

[edgy shale]

i exposed myself as a pve player so hard

[queen copper]

anything that breaks on damage like trap, root etc

[split pollen]

i remember seeing a list before where it would like avoid your roots but woudln't avoid teammates etc but i think they've made changes since then

[queen copper]

the change made it avoid clone as well

wont avoid bubble, cloak, grounding totem etc

[split pollen]

so it will avoid my roots and my teammates roots too now?

[queen copper]

yes it always did

[split pollen]

i thought it didn't ignore teammates roots a few weeks ago

[queen copper]

for a couple of hours one day it didnt

[split pollen]

ooo well that makes it easy to remember 😮 thanks

[exotic wolf]

so they reverted the change from the day before of this?
this means convoke won't target clones, roots and other similar ccs?

[devout frost]

my chess opponent just blundered and RQ'd

[lucid galleon]

Does anyone know if you buy a conquest piece from the vendor, can you get it from the weekly vault too?

[split pollen]

@exotic wolf i think it means they just reverted the breakable change but not sure. the wording leaves a lot to be desired lol

[edgy shale]

what u buy doesn't affect what you can get im 99.99% sure. I've bought pants then gotten them offered same week

[lucid galleon]

Ah ok, I will be patient and wait until Wednesday then before spending my conquest 😄

Always praying for the weapon

[edgy shale]

facts

[lucid galleon]

Got 2k conquest saved, so hopefully get the weapon & then spend the rest on other pieces

[queen copper]

it works exaclty like before but now ignores cyclone too

[tiny oar]

I've gotten like 3 different int weapons just get lucky

[lucid galleon]

I need about 500 more honor for 3/3 from the great vault

[tiny oar]

Rbgs was crazy honor I got like 2k+ from 2 wins

[lucid galleon]

Yeah I know, I will hopefully be running a few during the week

If I get a weapon on Wednesday, I should get around 195-200ilvl

Then hopefully be ok to push 2's/3's

& RBG's

[kindred galleon]

195-200 is 6-7k less hp than 210-213 );

[lucid galleon]

Actually, I should be around 200-205 with the upgrade to my conquest gear

Slowly get that rated for the gear upgrades 🙂

All pvp gear will be 197 & I will have 6 pieces at 207

So roughly around 201/202

Then will get that rating up for further upgrades 🙂

[exotic wolf]

does it ignore bubble and block?

[vital parcel]

Yes

[queen copper]

no o.0

convoke>bubble>shit my partner flopped

[kindred galleon]

Haha

[radiant ocean]

Hi, I've been playing aff resto (I know) in 2s with a guildmate of mine and have no idea what to do against rogue mage. I was wondering if maybe y'all had any tips

[vital parcel]

Sit in bear

[fervent imp]

if ur mass fear is on cd stay at a good distance of the rogue so he can't jump on you and use his stun

try to always use moon fire on the rogue to avoid a vanish

[devout frost]

..mass fear?

[lean zinc]

incapacitating roar

i think is what he meant?

or maybe some lock ability

[radiant ocean]

There's Incap Roar on me and howl on him

They never open on me tho since I'm stealthed

I try to cc mage when they open, then try and save the lock, but often shadowy duel seals it

[lean zinc]

maybe cyclone the rogue when he opens? i havent played the matchup much at all and have always struggled against rogues as a player, so i don’t have much advice personally i’m afraid

[devout frost]

idk neither class has a mass fear

[edgy shale]

ehh incap roar technically is lol

[tulip falcon]

howl of terror

[ruby umbra]

I have to agree with Ipod 🙂
affects several players x seconds. although they don't run off

[tulip falcon]

also an entirely different dr category

so ye not really a fear at all

[devout frost]

its not a fear

[edgy shale]

close enuf

[tulip falcon]

it has no similarities

[devout frost]

its a completely different DR

if it was a fear it would be awful together with affli aswell so

incap is also cool vs mages

since they cant blink it

[ruby umbra]

yup, this is true

but the player is asking for tips rather than chain ccing so in that sense finding solutions is more important but thats my humble opinion

[tropic schooner]

Howl of terror certainly is a mass fear tho

[ruby umbra]

yar

but the guildmate's class is unknown

[lean zinc]

he specifically said his guildie was playing aff

[ruby umbra]

aww, see it now. sleep deprivation

then that solves it

don't remember if it's affliction but that 50% slow lego is a great one depending on how hard it is to get

[vocal gull]

Never expected Guardian to be such a meme in RBG's, this just seems like free rating

[tacit flume]

What lego and talents do you use for guardian in bgs/rbgs? I've been using NoW and anything that buffs it. Is the sleeper lego the go to?

[lucid galleon]

Quick question - trying to push 1600 before Wednesday on a 191 ilvl balance, would you suggest grinding with double dps or with a healer?

& which class?

[exotic wolf]

double dps with rogue
healer with paladin

but be prepared to get run over by full geared pve people that have no clue what they do

i've seen so many 210+ ilvl people on my friends stream on 1400

if you know what you do and can setup a proper go it shouldn't be a big problem though

[lucid galleon]

Yeah I know, next week will be over 200 ilvl, got all conquest saved, hoping for a weapon, then can get 3/4 pieces of conquest gear

[limber plover]

is restric/rdruid a good comp?

I keep winning in this comp

[exotic wolf]

what's restric?

[limber plover]

*retribution

[tiny oar]

its fine ya

[lime light]

Even outlaw rogue with ret is fine

[lucid galleon]

any melee should be ok

[limber plover]

I GOT INTO 1400!!!

man 207ilvl

[midnight valley]

Resto pvp leggo?

[obtuse ice]

GZ

[exotic wolf]

verdant is the safest option

[lucid galleon]

@limber plover Congrats, want to try some 2's? Balance/Resto haha!

[limber plover]

with you?

[lucid galleon]

Yeah, could try one or two

I don't think Resto/balance much be any good tbh

Trying to find a good hpala or prot pala

[limber plover]

I'm in taiwanese server lol

[lucid galleon]

Oh, I'm on EU 😄

[limber plover]

rip

I feel arena is so hard, I'm just regular 9.0 player wanna some gear

[lucid galleon]

I'm trying to get back into PvP after about 5 years off & working 50 hour + weeks 😦

I was a hunter main years ago, but decided to switch to druid so I could have Feral/Balance - ranged or melee

[upper grove]

is there any logical reason why alliance gets +50% honor gained buff?
And on top of that mercs do not. like what the hell

[fervent gull]

Ive had ppl asking me to throw a banner in rbg, what do they do? How many are they?

[unreal solstice]

why are you not playing hunter as main again? I think druid especially feral druid is quit difficult for beginner or returners.

[lucid galleon]

I have a few classes which I am enjoying right now

I want to get into RBG's & it seems balance is more viable than hunter. But it might just be me.

[limber plover]

cuz ppl like horde

alliance is minor

[lucid galleon]

I know, poor us over on Horde 😦

[limber plover]

it's good tho

I got free conquer everyweek

[fervent gull]

if the other team in the bg has 2-3 boomys is it worth dropping natures balance for the treants?

[foggy ravine]

I usually only run treants on node maps to spin flag

[jagged vine]

does convoke hit stunned targets?

[stray sigil]

yes

[jagged vine]

any tips for mage boomy 2s?

[haughty compass]

Take bash.

[jagged vine]

our general go would be Bash clone off target and Breath sheep into mage oneshot thingy on killtarget?

[dusty tundra]

Any viable addons/macros guide for PVP starter guy?

[haughty compass]

Bash kill target imo

[dreamy aspen]

dude wtf is with feral druids

i got 2-shot by one as an Aff Lock

17k ferocious bites

died in the opening rake stun with relentless

and no it wasn't convoke they were kyrian

[jagged vine]

how would we open there? sheep off target, then bash into opener from mage + convoke or something?

[haughty compass]

Yea, can nova+beam near the end of sheep

Then clone etc

[chrome panther]

root/beam healer on opener

one of u pop everything on dps

if he trinkets, reset, cc again, other dps blows load

works till 2k when people learn what los is

[jagged vine]

how do you reset? i feel that when the opener fails they just train me like theres no tomorrow and im dead basically

i suck tho

[chrome panther]

ring of frost

poly spam

one of you has to peel for the other

[dreamy aspen]

so... okay fine feral is not broken then, it's not like getting killed in the opener to 2 globals is balanced or anything

at least it's not convoke boomies

[chrome panther]

feral so broken they got banned from awc

yes

[dreamy aspen]

must be if they can crit 17k bites back to back

[jagged vine]

what happens with killtarget in that case?

[dreamy aspen]

but hey at least fire mage boomkin arms ret and elemental are totally not overpowered

getting off don't bother replying

[chrome panther]

did you join this discord just to bitch and moan?

[chrome panther]

mage combusts and forces CDs out of dps, next you go blow your load

[blissful belfry]

rootbeam healer + poly dps, gpye combust while you reclone healer's trinket sounds like an asshole move

[chrome panther]

free realestate meme

at low cr against dumbdumbs you can just root/beam healer and blow convoke while mage combusts

[empty venture]

I just check the guy's post history, he's been copy pasting feral hate until someone notices him, dunno what they did to him, probably just got insta killed in the open world with world buffs or something

[placid mirage]

Idk how u die to two 17k as lock anyways all the locks I see have like 44k hp

[empty venture]

I'd say "made up big number, made up big number. Feral bad, feed me attention"

[dreamy aspen]

you have a problem?

i'm just tired of the state of pvp right now

[chrome panther]

if it makes u feel anybetter

the world quest in maldraxxus, in the middle? i got MCed by the boss

[dreamy aspen]

and i don't appreciate being called a liar either

[chrome panther]

it pressed convoke and i killed 5 lowbies doing it

[empty venture]

killing lowbies is evil, you're going to give them convoke ptsd

[placid mirage]

U know I could be wrong but feral needs decent setup for 2 bites because of the conduit that does more dmg based on how many bleeds you have so if they get 3 bleeds on u and pop cds and you don't have defensive and your healer is I guess doing nothing idk what you expect

[empty venture]

not that non-lowbies don't have convoke PTSD from their first arena vs boomkin anyway

[dreamy aspen]

i'm probably missing something as well, they were kyrian

can they throw a bunch of buffs up in stealth?

[chrome panther]

i one shot a 52 vulp warrior with a 31k full moon

am i evil?

[placid mirage]

Ya u are

[dreamy aspen]

i mean the healer i had (holy paladin) got cloned by enemy resto druid and sat it

[placid mirage]

Jk it's a warrior they

[abstract cloak]

This can easily be solved, Shantae what rating are you?

[dreamy aspen]

0 atm

just losing games left and right

to zerg

[dusty tundra]

@dreamy aspen What probably happened is if he was Kyrian, he used the kyrian bond, had dots on you, got a RIP proc that gives him free bite, and did bite you twice

Simple

[abstract cloak]

Dang, all those overpowered comps just got you down buddy?

[dusty tundra]

That's literally so much set up kekw

[dreamy aspen]

i'm supposed to kite but they just cc and nuke through wall most of the time

[placid mirage]

Does berserk/TF give dmg?

[chrome panther]

apex isn't used in pvp

tf does.

eyes of symm will give u 3 quick bites tho

[placid mirage]

What is ur hp/vers

[dusty tundra]

What leggo we use in PVP btw. dont even know

the tiger fury one?

[dreamy aspen]

well this is my 3rd week

[vital parcel]

ye

[chrome panther]

yes

apex is hilarious vs UHdk tho

[dreamy aspen]

201 17.33 haste 24.70% vers

[placid mirage]

@dreamy aspen just start by blowing everything at the beginning and then if u can live longer than that start dpsing

[dreamy aspen]

212 in pve gear

[dusty tundra]

If you really think Feral is overpowered, I think you havent seen Monks, Holy Paladins etc.

kekw

[dreamy aspen]

i have

[placid mirage]

Never die with cds up

[dreamy aspen]

saw a clip of holy paladin flinging hammers and murdering

[abstract cloak]

Long story short Shantae, if you watched ANY of AWC, you'd see that at the highest level of play no one is getting killed in the opener.

If I'm being brutally honest either a) you're garbage and are whining because you don't understand why you're playing bad and would rather blame others.

b) you don't commit defensives to their offensives or

c) you're undergeared.

[dreamy aspen]

hilarious

[abstract cloak]

You're not.undergeared

So it's a) or b)

[dreamy aspen]

yeah recently came back to wow need to play more

kinda hard when your getting 2-shot

[abstract cloak]

I just hit 1600 in pugs with my ilvl 200 shaman with 16% defensive vers

I didn't get 2 shot

Ever.

[chrome panther]

16% defensive vers? you have 32% sheet verse at 200ilvl?

[abstract cloak]

Let me pull it up

[placid mirage]

Idk what defensive lock has but just start by using trinket early and your defensives because at 0 cr everyone is just going to immediately mongo their dps cd

[abstract cloak]

Wait

Am.i dumb

16% spreadsheet vers

Is defensive right?

[chrome panther]

its half for damage reduction.

16% increased healing/dmg, 8% decreased dmg taken

[abstract cloak]

Ahh then I'm 8% vers

Literally no one is getting 2 shot consistently

Unless the stars fucking align

[placid mirage]

Only two shots I get are full moon into starsurge

[abstract cloak]

Like it can def happen like GPyro + evis or moon or something

But it's not consistent

[chrome panther]

14k surges happen fairly often

[abstract cloak]

Right but he's 213 he said

[placid mirage]

Man my surges are not hitting that hard

Is that like 14k with kyr and dreambinder

[abstract cloak]

You're like minimum 40k, right?

[chrome panther]

nah

convoke cuz my guild cucks me

[abstract cloak]

Nah PvE gear

[chrome panther]

but onuse / niya mastery buff / dreambinder

[abstract cloak]

Mastery, right?

[placid mirage]

Are u 14k in CA?

I guess mine are more like 12k

[chrome panther]

this is 215 ilvl / 27% vers

[abstract cloak]

I'm debating if I keep trying to play feral

[placid mirage]

I'm 20% vers 24% mast

[chrome panther]

balance is more fun

feral flops honestly

[abstract cloak]

Or just commit.to being miserable as balance

I fucking hate balance

[chrome panther]

play with wizards

[placid mirage]

I guess my gear is troll I'm 214 20% vers/24 mast

[abstract cloak]

Maybe I resent it because I'm forced to boomy PvE

[empty venture]

I play feral and just don't care how good boomie performs, it doesn't affect feral performances, and even though they aren't top of the meter, they aren't bottom either, that's good enough for me

[abstract cloak]

Idk man, I wish they would nerf convoke

[empty venture]

could be worse, could be fury warrior :^)

[abstract cloak]

What level do you play at Nya?

[chrome panther]

2450 rn

i play dreambinder against some comps

just for the slow conduit

[abstract cloak]

Because at like the mid level.mythic you get told feral or bench

Mostly BOAT though @chrome panther ?

[empty venture]

I rarely play past 2k in arena, my favorite game mode is RBG, that's probably why I can afford to not care

[chrome panther]

nah dreambinder

i dont like being forced to go the second i hit eclipse.

[abstract cloak]

You said you play it against some.comps

What else do you play

[dusty tundra]

Its only because Feral is a melee and has no unique utility anymore

hence why the bench on mythic

[abstract cloak]

Wtb

[chrome panther]

what do you mean

[abstract cloak]

Leader

Of

The pack

[fervent gull]

da fuq

[abstract cloak]

This from.before

[chrome panther]

what comps do i play it against?

[abstract cloak]

Yeah

And what do you play other leggos against

[chrome panther]

dreambinder vs all

i dont even have boat

[abstract cloak]

Oh fuck

You mean

[chrome panther]

i heal in pve

[abstract cloak]

Fairy bitch

[chrome panther]

so im literally perma cucked into NF

[abstract cloak]

The soulbind

[chrome panther]

oh yes

dreamweaver

my b

[abstract cloak]

Roflmao

I'm.sorry

I'm kinda out of it

[tiny oar]

im always out of it

[abstract cloak]

It's a good state to be

[placid mirage]

Dreamweaver and dreambinder get confusing

[abstract cloak]

Quite

So what's the math with dreambinder

You get 4 surges?

[chrome panther]

5 with fury

[abstract cloak]

Fury of Elune

Another ability I hate xD

I'm just a hateful guy

Jeaus

[crude minnow]

You wont hate it when you get 5-6 surges in a row

[abstract cloak]

Fair

[chrome panther]

with lucky shooting star procs you can get 6

its pretty tasty memes

[abstract cloak]

I guess I'll craft dreambinder tonight

[crude minnow]

I even run dreambinder+FOE in rbgs depending on my team comp because it is so good

[abstract cloak]

Oh it's a chest too

PogU stats

I have to wear Crit/master boots then

But oh well

[jagged vine]

what in the fucking hell

am i supposed to do vs rogue

[abstract cloak]

Kite and Fairy Swarm his go

[crude minnow]

depending on positioning, trinket->bear->disarm

[abstract cloak]

Play thorns bear disarm

Imho

[crude minnow]

if you have a healer in an okay position, you wanna try and not trinket unless there is a smokebomb

[empty venture]

can rogues even do anything while disarmed?

[abstract cloak]

They can kick

And blind

I think that's actually it aside defensive options

[primal bane]

best melees with boomie in 3s?

[jagged vine]

rogue is just disguting

[empty venture]

so unless they trinket, staying in bear is probably not required then? or am I understanding it wrong

[jagged vine]

how do I get globaled so hard

[abstract cloak]

They'll cloak it Nya

[crude minnow]

Once you learn to play against them, rogue is one of the easier melee to play against IMO

[empty venture]

right, cloak, that thing

[abstract cloak]

Bear preempts cloak.kidney

Honestly I kinda want to play lock

[primal bane]

thats bc other strong melees dont have any issues kicking you in the throat

even when you know what they do

[abstract cloak]

That slow legendary looks SO toxic

[primal bane]

like ur not gonna stop a ww from doing evertyhing he wants

[empty venture]

in RBG? I'm glad I'm sitting base, given how much our healers fulminate about it in voice chat x)

[abstract cloak]

Good news is

No one can play WW below 24-2500

So you're probably fine

[primal bane]

is it hard to ply?

[abstract cloak]

A lot of setup

And correct timing

[primal bane]

damn

[abstract cloak]

Very few people can do what Trill does

[primal bane]

dont look like it on my side

[stray sigil]

ww is not hard lol

[primal bane]

feels like w/e button ww presses it deals same dmg and its huge

[abstract cloak]

Even if you look at other WWs vs Trill it's a huge difference

[crude minnow]

I mean... ww still fucks if you aren't a g

[stray sigil]

trill not even the best ww either lol

[abstract cloak]

True but it's not omega 1 shot land

[crude minnow]

And there is a huge difference between my ass and professional boomies

[primal bane]

btw aside off healling whats good with ele sham

i dont see his burst as all that

barely can call it burst tbh

[true pendant]

Lolwat

Stormkeeper can global someone

[crude minnow]

Haven't played with a good ele then. Stormkeeper, cov ability, with totem can be faster burst than boomie

[primal bane]

most likely yeah

its that spell crit totem?

[dreamy aspen]

skyfury?

[crude minnow]

Skyfury yeah

[primal bane]

yeee

very good

but

they never time it well for me

[crude minnow]

Boomie+ele both have their goes every minute. Even without rng that is a 100-0 in 1.5s or less if not handled

[primal bane]

how am i 150k dmg ahead of my fmage

while ive been fucking trained

[stray sigil]

cuz ur a boomy

[primal bane]

firemage has convoke damage thats fully targeted, unkickable and on much shorted cd that can be even shorted with pyrokinesis

[crude minnow]

Their damage outside of go is pretty bleh though, yeah?

[primal bane]

yeah

[late mural]

PvP nub here and now necessarily a Druid question but how much honor do you gain per arena game?

[left spindle]

ele also can do insane burst without stormkeeper, via their legendary and 60+ maelstrom, as well as echoing shock

they have to get to that point, of course

[haughty compass]

Just kill monks. Don’t be afraid of karma if your healer isn’t cc’d

[limpid kraken]

@late mural depends on 2s or 3s and win/loss. But its somewhere like 150 per win IIRC? not exact

@haughty compass or even try to BOP it, but yeh WWs squishy

[crude minnow]

Fastest honor is rbgs (winning a good amount). Otherwise it is epic bgs or normal bgs if you can carry hard enough

[primal bane]

when are bfa mounts gonna be available to buy with saddle

[empty venture]

Alright, more RBG guardian questions, I got time to fiddle around with it and am quite happy with my current build, I'm wondering what other bears bring for conduits? Well honed instincts (frenzied proc at low health) and Innate Resolve (improved frenzied healing) seems to be the big bis, but I'm less affirmative about the rest, any thoughts?

notably potency, I'm wondering if the extra haste during berserk is worth anything or if there are better alternatives

I was also surprised at the lethality you can have in incarnation (for a chonky tank that is) and was wondering whether it would make sense to build toward that for base sitting duty

[covert chasm]

Hello! Pinned msg is bugged out somehow for me. Can anyone tell me what covenant balance and feral goes for PvP?

[crude minnow]

go boomy if you aren't fcing

[weak hinge]

@covert chasm nightfae or kyrian

[haughty compass]

Venthyr + sleeper + incarn is a fun little bear bomb

[jagged vine]

can i, lets say, root beam a healer then stand next to him and convoke him to death? or wont convoke target because of root?

[blissful belfry]

convoke wont target root

[jagged vine]

damn

[primal bane]

shit strat even if it did tho

its very easy to walk out of that and just stop the convoke

[tardy hare]

Xd

[primal bane]

best convoke timings is when they switched targets from you and already committed dashes

[tardy hare]

Nice one

Convoke kills in less time than walking out of a beam occasionally

[primal bane]

yes if you get starsurge x2 in the first second

and it will target exclusively one guy

[dusty tundra]

How come some classes randomly go invisible in arena? Is it a trinket?

like priest and boomie, like vanishing

Defo not shadowmeld

[placid mirage]

Shadowy duel?

[dusty tundra]

But with a Boomie and Paladin as enemy?

No way

in 2s

[placid mirage]

Idk was just guessing. Unless boomer can get out of combat

Can restealth

[primal bane]

ive had it happen too

it did look exactly like a shadowmeld but since im alliance i dont think its possible

[grave hatch]

what talents for 2s ? 🙂

[boreal crest]

It could be an invisibility potion?

[jagged vine]

is the cost to upgrade a conquest item the same for every slot?

[spice marsh]

Any good balance pvp guide?

What is the best secondary aside from versa?

[true pendant]

Mates i have a dillema

I have trash crit conq chest on boomkin

Should I make leggo chest

Or should I go finger

U can go double haste vers ring that way

Otherwise I need to get lucky with vault for necrotic wake ringo

And I cba to farm m+

[lime light]

can also get aspirant ring to 197

[true pendant]

226 mastery > 197 haste lul

[shell turret]

quick question, so i tested out the Fresh Wound pvp talent on a dummy, and as expected, it works even if you're already in combat w/ the target, as long as they don't have a Rake on them; so this means it's BAD to refresh the DOT before it expires, right?

they should make it crit if you refresh within the periodic effect refresh window

[lime light]

pls never play that honor talent

or i find u

🙂

it doesnt work on rake dot

just the innitial hit

its super shit

delete and move on

[tiny oar]

What da HecK

[shell turret]

it seems like it works as long as you let Rake fall off, so if you're willing to keep an eye on that somehow and refresh Rake RIGHT after it falls off, it could be beneficial

but the ticks you'll miss from not refreshing it quickly enough (after it falls off) combined with the hassle probably outweigh the benefit of the talent's extra crit, in the long run

[true pendant]

Haste is the go to for boomkin right?

[viral granite]

what are some good 2 for fefal

[primal bane]

whats thorns replacement vs full range comp?

[brave shuttle]

Boomkin

[crude minnow]

High winds probably

[fervent imp]

What’s the best conduit for rdrood as night fae ?

[ashen smelt]

Toss up between Convoke, Flash of Clarity and Nature's Swiftness.

[fervent imp]

With dreamweaver right ?

[ashen smelt]

Currently.

Korayn is likely the go to once all the traits are unlocked.

[fervent imp]

Okok thanks a lot

I guessed this too and i can have 4 conduits with dreamweaver and not 3

[ashen smelt]

Yeah.

[unkempt totem]

floral recycling works with swiftmend legendary?

[hardy cargo]

Love seeing a rogue say boomy is way too op in pvp, not like rogue can't one shot with openers(and totally dont have kick +Shadowstep.. no excuse of "getting kited")

[patent hamlet]

Does getting yanked by a priest interrupt convoke? Like if i convoke their paladin and he bubbles, can my partner yank me to their DPS?

[queen holly]

how would hpal/feral/mw work as a comp

[patent dove]

people rejoice

master shapeshifter works again

[cursive river]

balance druid Rbg talents?

[queen falcon]

Yes

[quaint rapids]

After watching some of the AWC clips

I think full moon is gonna get taken out of the convoke pool

convoke gets kicked in the first second
Still one shots

[haughty compass]

Unless talented for it. I think that would make sense

[quaint rapids]

Even if talented for

Convoke without full moon is incredibly powerful

Sticking a 20-40k slap at the beginning of that is kinda busted

[haughty compass]

Tbh the mastery buff after convoke is nuts

[tepid spoke]

they might just make moon cast at the end/middle of the convoke channel

instead of at the first spell

[vocal sequoia]

Guys what spec is better pvp bgs and world pvp feral or boomkin?

[quaint rapids]

Personally I think feral is better

Boomy is incredibly strong right now

But mechanically I think feral has more going for it

[forest kite]

Remove convoke when?

[quaint rapids]

Found the kyrian

||:^)||

[tepid spoke]

convoke is pretty ass

not gonna lie

[quaint rapids]

Just kick it

Unless it's a boomy

Then get splattered by a moon

[green valve]

Only nerf convoke could even use at all is remove full moon from it

Its pretty fine tbh and my boomies not even my main

[tepid spoke]

they are not gonna do it

if they remove mmoon they need to remove flourish pulverize and ff

not happening

[green valve]

When you dont get the full moon its really not even that lethal

Easy to stop for the most part

[vocal sequoia]

For bgs and some pve feral or boomkin?

[green valve]

My biggest grip when i fight against boomies is that it generates astral power so even after you stop it you eat 3+ starsurges

[tepid spoke]

so

no different from a mage using combustion

which is stronger than convoke

[vocal sequoia]

Guys can feral 1v1 rogue?

[tepid spoke]

sure

so can boomy

[green valve]

I mean fire mage is completely overtuned

Compared to literally everything

Boomies just in a good spot

[vocal sequoia]

How was druid in bfa?

[green valve]

Its just the full moon proc thats overtuned

Everything else is fine pretty much

Theres counterplay

Theres no counterplay to db meteor combust

Unless you trinket a 2 sec db i guess

I actually wouldnt mind if tgey did what you said and removed the feral moves and full moon tbh

Might actually be a more well rounded ability

[placid mirage]

The feral moves only replace heals

[green valve]

Yea i dk why it thrashes? When im boomy

[placid mirage]

Melee range

[green valve]

Makes sense feel like it procs even like ten-15 yards away sometimes

[placid mirage]

I mean if you go bear form and thrash it is actually surprisingly far from the animation

[green valve]

Trueeee

[quaint rapids]

Lmao

Ff is nowhere near the level of power full moon is

I can't speak for flourish

[quaint rapids]

If you survive their opener

Bleeds make rogues cry

[tepid spoke]

who said anything about power

if they remove moonkin exceptional spell they need to remove other specs exceptional spells

[quaint rapids]

The problem is not that it's an exceptional spell

The problem is it crits for 40k at the start of an already powerful channel

[tepid spoke]

yes

so make it only proc at the end of the cast

or half way

?

its also buffed by boat if it procs at the start

[quaint rapids]

Then you kill the first person with the channel and orbit bop the second

Boat is a whole nother issue tbh

I feel bad for boomies

[tepid spoke]

reason its strong af if it procs as the first spell

[quaint rapids]

No leggo options because boat is so strong

[tepid spoke]

is because of boat

because its gonna be a guaranteed crit

[quaint rapids]

That's nutty

Shame too, the free starsurge/starfall leggo looks way more fun than boat

[green valve]

Like

[quaint rapids]

How much is boomie being carried by boat right now? 40% crit every time you eclipses seems really really powerful for a leggo

[green valve]

Had a match vs boomie yesterday in 3s on warrior winning whole match, "i call convoke coming off cd in 3 sec"

I died mid leap to pillar

First spell was a 18.3k full moon

[tepid spoke]

so you have 25k health?

[green valve]

Maybe it moonfired first i dk

32k

But i started the leap at obviously 60-70%

[tepid spoke]

so you are undergeared

[green valve]

I think its a perfectly fine ability

[lime light]

#fixFullMoon

[green valve]

Except the full moon

213 ilv

If thats undergeared sure

But you obviously dont seem to care its imbalanced and needs to be removed

Instant rng full moon has no counterplay

[tepid spoke]

u just mad cuz a fullmoon oneshotted your undergeared warrior

[green valve]

As evidence by me pre losing

[tepid spoke]

you said you died mid leap

why didnt u use that gcd to spell reflect

[green valve]

And getting caught by the .1 sec cast

[tepid spoke]

a mage coulda bursted you in less than that

[green valve]

I pre lept

Because it was coming off cd

I died anticipating the convoke and moving to los it

[stuck talon]

anticipate harder

[green valve]

And it procced 18k dmg in the process of moving

Just take it out and leave boomie as is hell even buff wrath and starfire dmg

And i play boomie as an alt

Saying it

[tepid spoke]

all im reading is a warrior, one of the most stupidly op classes for arena rn complaining about dying to a convoke after not using any cd to counter it

*undergeared

[green valve]

Lmao

Live in your bubble bro

Full moons not fine

[tepid spoke]

perfectly fine tbh

chanimal proced 2 moons last game

still lost

its just a pub stomper

[green valve]

So because chainmal couldnt kill one of the best teams in the world running triun ward n hpal

Its fine

And

Brain bubbled it

And mage had ward up

Shit convoke by chan tbh

[tepid spoke]

you had ignore pain, spell reflect, rallying, dbs

assuming you played with 2 othe rpersons 2

so whats your point

[green valve]

Theres no fucking reaction time in tye world

[rancid lynx]

Sounds like you need to use something other than leap for it

[green valve]

To survive a first spell

Full moon

[karmic kelp]

I mean in this season 18k is not that outrageous. Dh, mages, hunters, all have that same burst

[rancid lynx]

You said you anticipated it 3 seconds before it came off cd

[green valve]

And died leaping before

He pressed it

You want me to pre die by the sword?

Before he presses it

And if he holds it?

[tepid spoke]

hes just undergeared

and i claim bs on 213 tbh

im 219 and have 38k health

[green valve]

213 is not undergeared

Its probably average

[tepid spoke]

that fullmoon wouldnt kill me

[green valve]

So youre 100% health at all times in 3s?

[crude minnow]

I don't think many druids here are actually gonna defend rng full moons off the bat being a good thing for the game.

It's garbo design

[pine hawk]

DH burst, good joke

[green valve]

I mean i get hes trolling

[tepid spoke]

sure, im just saying theres stronger bursts cds in the game

combustion can do the same damage as a moon

with no rng

[green valve]

Whats that got to do with it lol

Fire mage is massively overtuned

Triune ward and resetting combust

Is a bit much

[crude minnow]

If a good rng convoke goes off, nothing does more dps than that. Let's not fool ourselves.

[green valve]

I play convoke too

Im just saying the full moon is ridiculous

I hit someone for 24k early on

Its ridiculous

[primal bane]

man

go use convoke on dummy targets see how many times it procs full moon

its ridiculous for sure but like

its not even the worst thing we got so far

[green valve]

Definitely not

But i think they were talking about tunning earlier

Which led to only thing boomie could use is removing fm

[chrome panther]

are other classes coming to this discord to bitch about boomie again?

yikes

[rancid lynx]

Warriors are defenseless against it

[chrome panther]

370 boomkins above 2200 compared to 820 arms warriors

poor thing

[tepid spoke]

yeah poor warriors

so defenseless

[green valve]

I play boomie lol

[tepid spoke]

with a 40% absorb shield for 40 rage

and 3 other defensives cds 😦

[crude minnow]

I was helping my friends 150 ilvl dk get conq and honor in 2s since I never ran 2s. Literally just 1v2 boat+convoke people up to like 1500. It's just not healthy. Like sure, they gotta learn, but it still feels bad

[tepid spoke]

poor things

[chrome panther]

monks and rets literally pveing people to death is worse

😄

[tepid spoke]

so your point is its a pub stomper and should be nerfed?

a rogue can do the same just by opening from stealth

oneshot people 100-0 up to 1500 rating

a mage

a monk

[green valve]

I mean they cant

[chrome panther]

they literally can because people up to 1500 dont know how to press their buttons

[green valve]

Noone can press 1 macro and hit over 20k

In an instant

[crude minnow]

The rng of it needs to be fixed in pvp. But even still I really don't think it's a healthy spell for the game

[tepid spoke]

meteor hits for 15k

[green valve]

Pyros hit for 7-8k

[tepid spoke]

always

and he can literally

spam fireblast you

it has no gcd

[chrome panther]

can you kick instant cast pyros?

[green valve]

Thats 4 globals

[tepid spoke]

meteor 3 fireblast= dead noob

[chrome panther]

actually

[tepid spoke]

fireblast has no global

[chrome panther]

nah, not getting into this deadass redacted word discussion again

[primal bane]

meteor is definitively getting

i mean convoke

[green valve]

I mean damn dude

[primal bane]

the worst treatment to effectiveness ratio

[green valve]

Theres a bunch of busted shit

Intervene wog healing combust farming triune ward

Fm in convoke

[chrome panther]

convoke is dumb, so are fire mages, ww monks, rets, warriors, hpals, master assassin legendary, triune ward in general

so tired of the whining

[green valve]

But like you can be pbjective for 1 sec

Do you homie

[stable halo]

Im stuck at 1300-1500, I feel like I'm too bad, people are just playing good and you guys are exaggerating because you are all gladiators or I'm ungeared and that matters a lot

[chrome panther]

no because someone bates this stupid discussion EVERY day

and its old

and done

[green valve]

I wasnt whinning

I said boomies in a good spot

Doesnt need any nerf

Besides maybe fm

[tepid spoke]

well defo having 10k more health helps you survive a 18k moon doesnt it

[quaint rapids]

comparing fire mage burst which requires like 4 gcd of setup to convoke

[green valve]

Then this dude went on a tangent about every other class

[quaint rapids]

🤣

[tepid spoke]

yeah convoke doesnt require any setup

[green valve]

Its fine cuz fire mage

[tepid spoke]

are you a clown xd

[chrome panther]

yeah i forgot you just walk into arena and press convoke

[green valve]

Like what kinda shit logic is that

[chrome panther]

collect glad

[quaint rapids]

I'm just saying

Fire mage doesn't "oops you're dead" people, as op as it is

[tepid spoke]

what?

[chrome panther]

they do plenty

[green valve]

Like you can literally make a swifty convoke macro

0 setup

[quaint rapids]

Convoke literally is a button press, and as long as you aren't kicked is basically a kill

[tepid spoke]

yeah, and you get stuck at 1500

[limpid kraken]

fire mage is the highest rep class in AWC for this exact reason, it has Oops you're dead buttons

that are unkickable

[chrome panther]

kicked, stunned, LOSed

hmm

[limpid kraken]

and are lower than 2min gcd

[green valve]

Noone said fires fine

[tepid spoke]

who is not gonna stop a convoke unless everyone doesnt have kicks/are cced

[green valve]

Repeatedly actually said its overtuned

[crude minnow]

I don't rely on convoke at all in arena past like 1600. Even if it doesn't work at high rating doesn't mean it isn't bad for the game.

[tepid spoke]

like, people below 1500 i guess

[limpid kraken]

most do, and most high rated druids swap to kyrian for this reason

[chrome panther]

^

id go kyr in a heartbeat if my raid let me

[limpid kraken]

^^^^

[tepid spoke]

same

[quaint rapids]

All I'm saying is comparing fires one shot combo which requires significant setup to convoke is silly

[tepid spoke]

lmao

[chrome panther]

id rather pump 5 12k surges every minute

[limpid kraken]

significant setup?

[foggy ravine]

the only reason a full convoke gets off is cuz the other team has dents in their head or they don't know how to press their own buttons

[limpid kraken]

you mean having combust off GCD

[vague sun]

what setup does fire mage burst require

[tepid spoke]

convoke setup is really more than combustion setup xD

[quaint rapids]

Oh right

[limpid kraken]

a lot more

[quaint rapids]

I forgot I just am supposed to sit in the meteor

[grim hemlock]

https://imgflip.com/i/4ub0gx

[tepid spoke]

It requires a poly

lmao

and a blink db

so much setup

[chrome panther]

SO MUCH

[crude minnow]

Best thing about convoke is the 500 mastery I get after getting interrupted that I use to chain 5 surges into em

Since their guard is down lmao

[chrome panther]

truth

[limpid kraken]

also many mages are dropping metor for just faster/more combusts

[chrome panther]

they think theyre gonna live cuz they kicked convoke

LITTLE DO THEY KNOW

i have 100 AP, fury, badge, and dreambinder

[crude minnow]

I barely like running boat in rbgs. Dreambinder feels so much better in a lot of situations

[chrome panther]

bruh dreambinder is the tits

[limpid kraken]

also convoke setups require you to typically isolate the target, if you are hitting 3+ targets the dmg is much worse on a single player

which makes any matchup involving a DK much harder

[crude minnow]

Unholy dk + monk lul

[orchid rock]

@foggy ravine did you not see chanimal on the boomy?

[stable halo]

But isn't convoke bad because you can't prevent what's going to happen?

Not like from enemy perspective but from the druids one

Like, too much rng right?

[limpid kraken]

another reason high rated druids go kyrian

[orchid rock]

supatease said he would go night fae after seeing chanimal on fae boomy

[stable halo]

Did the AWC already started?

[tepid spoke]

it ended yesterday xD

[crude minnow]

How much worse do you think kyrian is for high rated rbgs?

[stable halo]

[chrome panther]

pretty bad

teamfights happen around convoke windows.

[foggy ravine]

ya he waited till they had no kicks left for it

[orchid rock]

imagine not kicking a convoke in rbgs

[chrome panther]

its not hard to play far back outside of ranged kicks.

also it lets your healers freecast for days

2 or 3 boomkins pressing convoke at once with skyfury and dark archangel up is 9/10 an autowin for any fight

[crude minnow]

I barely get interrupted in rbgs at 2100 still. As long as I get into a good position

Outside of convoke though, boat just feels like it barely isn't enough to kill soooooo often

[chrome panther]

outside of convoke/incarn i just spam clone people

keep dots up and dump surges into a kill target when dk calls for it

[sinful canyon]

how exactly does podtender work?

if its healed, does that change the damage threshhold it needs to take to be destroyed?

or does healing just affect the health of the player if they make it out

[haughty compass]

Think convoke done for tomorrow?

[chrome panther]

https://i.redd.it/0j2la89vm4c61.png

yeah it'll be great to see convoke gutted, ret/ww/arms taking maybe a 5% nerf, and healers untouched

but really i doubt we'll see anything till awc is over.

[primal bane]

healers untouched?

[sinful canyon]

dampening time

[primal bane]

man if they just nerf dmg

we're legit 4 steps back again

average pvp meta where you feel like you genuinely do no dmg and just trade cooldowns for 10 minutes

[haughty compass]

I prefer faster games, even if I lose

[primal bane]

yeah games shouldnt be over in a minute or less

but holy fuck healers are really good right now

its just not easy to see

bc the dmg is one shot or nothing

[chrome panther]

you know its pretty much just hpals right

[haughty compass]

Cc chains and burst dmg is a good meta

[primal bane]

i mean true but

nah

its hpal and resto

ive seen insane healing coming from resto

but yeah those 2 definitively need a backhand

very annoiying to never be able to kill someone unless you perfect cc the healer and offhealer

[tepid spoke]

my auntie works at blizz, she does sylvannas voice and says they gonna nerf convoke

brace yourselves

[true pendant]

@chrome panther wdym until awc is over

Its already over

Cup 1

[queen copper]

Wat. No

[true pendant]

It ends in like mid march lmao

[chrome panther]

i mean the whole thing

[true pendant]

Do u really believe they wont touch the game for 2 months?

[queen copper]

Convoke going no where

[true pendant]

Might as well not touch anything this ssn

[solemn yoke]

I get that resto shaman is good into casters and hybrid comps it just feels so bad into melee cleaves

[true pendant]

As S2 will be just coming lmao

[tepid spoke]

did they touch anything for nyalotha

[chrome panther]

I mean

i reported the pyroclasm bug 3 weeks ago

still hasn't been touched

[queen copper]

Convoke literally most easily stopped big CD in the game

[chrome panther]

🤷

[true pendant]

What pyroclasm bug

[tepid spoke]

You still ran for 20 seconds until DSM was over

and the same people crying about convoke cried about that

so nothing new

[true pendant]

They dont really touch pvp in last ssn

Esp in bfa

They nerfed mw tho

[chrome panther]

if they consume the pyroclasm proc on an immune target OUTSIDE of arena, it stores the damage buff for the next pyro, instant or hardcasted, w/e.

[true pendant]

Surprisingly

They fixed it afaik

[chrome panther]

good ol ratfuck jones did it onstream to 12000 viewers a few days ago

thank god

[true pendant]

And that was from 3 weeks?

[chrome panther]

it wasn't widely known till twitch kids saw it

[primal bane]

maybe im crazy but it feels like outside a few very specific specs

there is no real diversity

like every dps has exactly 1 truly good spec

so it ends up that you see the same 3-4 comps everytime

[true pendant]

What is bette for doomkin

[crude minnow]

Perceived meta is a big deal. The biggest imbalance is prob with healers atm

[true pendant]

Boat or binder

I see top boomkin playing both

[crude minnow]

Rbg either. Binder always for arena

[true pendant]

Haste vers is the way to go right

[edgy dock]

what am i supposed to do when two melees sit on me as balance in 3s?

[placid mirage]

Yell at ur teammate to cc them

How bad is renewal glyph

In 2s do you just travel form charge?

I usually play like prot/boom so he's closer to me than a healer might be usually

[vital parcel]

so anyone know when season 2 is?

ait

[true pendant]

Standard ssn length is 20 weeks

[vital parcel]

then i got some time to start doing some rbgs for ez mmr

[true pendant]

So april for ssn end sounds right

[rustic python]

Hi guys playing resto druid + ww monk in 2v2 right now and had a question. What is your strategy to beat well played holy paladin teams? If they use defensives right the game always seems to go too long and the druid goes oom before we can land a kill.

[fluid owl]

what stats would like to go as boomy in pvp?

[vital parcel]

haste vers

[fluid owl]

ty

[vital parcel]

mastery too if u can

[fluid owl]

should go on use trinket aswell for dmg right?

[vital parcel]

idk what people play with on high rating, but i personally like hp trinket + regular pvp trinket

but if u have a good healer then u can prob go on use trinket tbh

[fluid owl]

yeah i see a lot with the hp trinket actually

but they were feral aswell mostly

[vital parcel]

get both tbh

and try them

[fluid owl]

ty mate

[vital parcel]

but the dmg one has use in pve aswell

if u do that

[fluid owl]

btw there is no guides for boomies right?

[vital parcel]

check pins

[fluid owl]

yeah thats what i thought

ah the pin i saw feral only mb

[vital parcel]

please draw a picture

yeah, ive been playing alot of sp boomie in 2s and battlemasters seem to own

[fluid owl]

y those dk melee comps are hard

[vital parcel]

wait till u meet a monk :p

[fluid owl]

yeah those aswell

what ever can catch me fast to interrupt my convoke hurts 😛

[mellow coyote]

Is the pvp 2 set trinket bonus a mandatory or would pvp trinket + IQD be good?

for balance**

[carmine obsidian]

Hey all for rbgs should is playing an aoe spec sorta just pad? like should i ever cast starfall

[trim moth]

@carmine obsidian No. Padding doesn’t win the games. I wouldn’t cast star fall. The damage isn’t enough to pressure.

[queen copper]

Almost no situations you press it

[clear pulsar]

If you have more than 10% vers theres no way in hell iqd is worth taking over pvp set bonus

[mellow coyote]

word

[primal bane]

guys

im playing with a affli lock

[mellow coyote]

Makes sense for sure thanks

[primal bane]

and he just

one shots people

through all their cds

is it a bug he abuses or what

i do full cast convoke with boat and incarnation

and he still does more burst

[weak hinge]

Unstopped affliction lock does insane dmg.

[primal bane]

mate

ive played with at least 5 affli locks

never ahve i seen

such a healer destroyer

like he needs a 10 second setu p

to solo kill the healer

its like 240 ilvl fmage

[weak hinge]

Which rating?

[primal bane]

he is 3.1k exp

by 1.7k cr

but like

he is not doing insane cc rotations

he is simply dealing redacted dmg

do affli locks that arent glad+ dont know their rotation?

[vast vapor]

I think so

some afflis do nothing

[primal bane]

idk man he just casuaklly erases like 30% sometimes

how is not every lock able to do this tho

im still in awe

at this 1v3 monster machine

boosting me for free

russian name

was about to link you his pvp profile

but nvm

im not sabotaging

this insane opportunity to get carried

bro he is just sitting pressing buttons

not much kiting or smth

[weak hinge]

Thing is most casters feel like they have to kite all the time and don’t cast enough

They panic.

Especially on low ratings

[primal bane]

he went offline gonna kms

[weak hinge]

Just man up and kill them. He has a port to safety.

[primal bane]

it dont add up tho

out of all these locks ive played with

how tf none of them could simply learn their dmg rotation

tehy all freecasting

[jagged vine]

what do you do vs rogue mage, these fuckers can even restealth with dots on them, i dont get it

then i get globaled, insane

[vital parcel]

sit bear

[primal bane]

speaking of why can rogues actually do that

why shouldnt they have to communicate with healers to dispell

just sit away for 5 seconds and u get huge opener

[vital parcel]

havnt that been a thing since like forever tho

[winter spindle]

Solstice or FoE in rbgs 🤔

[graceful idol]

Does anyone know if it is possible for a macro to /targetenemyplayer in arena and /targetenemy everywhere else?

[vast vapor]

I think I just saw addon for that called RETabBinder

[chrome panther]

foe

[primal bane]

i will literally never meet my dd standards again

this lock gave me the most insane 6 wins and dipped

[graceful idol]

Thanks that’s exactly what i was after

[primal bane]

ca not comprehend how these numbers are real

im looking at my own dps chart and i think its fake

[twilit siren]

what specs aren't affected by disarms? ww, feral, ?

[tardy hare]

think ww and feral just get dmg reduction if i remember correctly

[primal bane]

i just chceked

he did a SINGLE

ONE

(1)

combustion

in a 6 minute game

[stray sigil]

instead of ragetyping in here

[stiff karma]

do you think balance will get a huge nerf?

[stray sigil]

whyt not talk about it with him

??

lol

[primal bane]

i forgot to trash on him

before kicking him

[weak hinge]

Cope you seem like a cool dude to que with

[primal bane]

thanks shaun

you dont tho

[stray sigil]

XD

[stiff karma]

OK thanks! Having a hard time deciding between mage and balance haha

[weak hinge]

Go mage if you are serious about it. Play boomer if you’re a troll

[clear pulsar]

All I'm seeing is you got outdamaged by 25% by enemy boomie

@primal bane

Get dunked on

Dumass

[stray sigil]

how many starfall he press

u think

[primal bane]

enemy boomie was

p funny

he did 10 cycs on me

i think he was looking at the dps meter chart

and laughed with me

[tardy hare]

Think he laughed at you instead