I guess Jungle is still king 3s?
#pvp
harsh jasper
forest kite
i've been really enjoying sub rogue with me as a boomy for 2s
chrome panther
boomie/ele/hpal
stiff reef
Will you be able to get enoguh haste for it to actually impact the game
junior plover
Jungle is decent
harsh jasper
feral convoke
chrome panther
kittycleave
junior plover
hpal/disc is solid in 2s
dont know about prot
holy just feels better
in every way
forest kite
Feral convoc/mage/Dpriest also
harsh jasper
that sounds fun
thorny venture
I can't decide between Fury of Elune or Solstice
junior plover
FMP and Jungle live forever
harsh jasper
Jungle stronger than FMP or about the same?
junior plover
Havent played any fmp
harsh jasper
I actually have some friends who would FMP
junior plover
but the idea that makes fmp work every time still applies right now
even more so
because feral is so bursty
its like RMP but easier to play imo
harsh jasper
gotcha
thorny venture
when did vers % suddenly become the differentiator?
junior plover
when did vers % suddenly become the differentiator?
check trinket 2set
thorny venture
yes, but I wouldn't trust anyone dropping ilvl for vers
junior plover
Oh yea you probably want ilvl still
altho if youre hybrid spec
versa = big heals
agi = no heals
thorny venture
eh?
junior plover
so in 3s versa becomes much more valuable
Your versa will give you a shit tone of extra healing
thorny venture
Agi would scale your healing faster than vers would
junior plover
Does it actually scale well with agi? I'm an idiot I guess
thorny venture
AP is SP
signal willow
For hybrids yes
Rets strength grants spell power for heals
Mainstat buffs all your stuff
junior plover
anyone doing feral/resto shm
Its solid but i'd take something with instant cc if I could
gotcha
signal willow
Agreed
junior plover
yep
narrow wadi
fervent gull
primal glacier
so wait, after both hotfixes does convoke now just ignor targets in Cyclone AND breakable cc
or just back to hitting cyclones?
forest kite
convoc still don't hit root/cc , still hit clone , but now also hit totem again .
hi
and on EU , that " change " never happen anyway
harsh jasper
Eternal stats or eternal insight for chest enchant
for vp
excuse me
skirmish
not insight
forest kite
don't remember the name , but the 30+ stats one
forest kite
yeah just told you the +30 stats :>
round topaz
yo am i sacrificing verse for ilvl, if the upgrade is huge?? feral arena-er here
im at 18% vers rn, but can be around 21-23%~
thorny venture
I'd generally say no
junior plover
Wait i just realized
The convoke revert
You can spend your instant root on pet
To make sure you put all convokes into the target
That's kinda sweet
For kitty ofc owls mad
thorny venture
here I am just messing around as a necro bear
Sadly Forgeborne Reveries doesn't keep holding a flag/orb
still works great defending AB
stuck talon
soulpaw you around here? gg wp
thorny venture
3-2 on the night, wasn't in the highest cr group so only up like 20 points
1881 though. I don't think I'm gonna be getting 2100 soon
thorny venture
oh, I pvp as Balance, I think of myself as a necro bear. 😄
Bears do the same as other tanks, they run flags, spin flags solo.
mighty yoke
I currently have a 190 Dreambinder leggo, and have enough soul ash to upgrade to 210 or craft 190 BOAT. What do you guys recommend?
green valve
Do you guys run boat in rbgs or the starsurge/starfall one?
thorny venture
I've been running boat
stable otter
ayy they unnerfed convoke lol
thorny venture
unfixed*
clear pulsar
Do you guys run boat in rbgs or the starsurge/starfall one?
The starsurge/starfall one is trash brother stop pressing Starfall pls
green valve
I dont
I just dont remember the name off the top of my head
But doesnt it just work if you spam starsurge and it buffs starsurge?
clear pulsar
Oneths
Is that hte on?
Oh
Yeah well Dreambinder also affects Starfall
But when you say it like that
I thought it was this one
green valve
No
Uh
Timeworn dreambinder
Thats it
20% starsurge buff after casting starsurge twice
green valve
Yea so which one do you think is worth using in rbgs? Guess theyre both good
crude minnow
Some people use oneth, but it doesn't make sense compared to dreambinder or boat
green valve
Only reason i ask is my rbg team wants me to swap from lock to boomie
So not exactly the most well versed on boomie stuff
edgy shale
fors ome reason some ppl have it in their brains u need 3 boomies or u autolose
thorny venture
but cookies, and that brokenly good corruption slow. 😄
agile dagger
whats strong moonkin lock rsham or moonkin sp rsham
weak hinge
I prefer lock. Easier to get kill pressure
calm hollow
top boomie pvpers? iw ant to learn some shit
green valve
@vestal citrus its a friend group at like 2200ish mmr, reason is theres 3 of us that play lock, and i don't really mind swapping
Nothing to do with lock being bad just don't think we need 3 of em
Lol yea
Till you hit AB with 3 locks that cant sit base vs stealths
I mean you dont get sapp capped
You get that dumb shadowstrike buff + blades + cloak opened
Wall sirvive first attempt
Just comes back with no wall game
Don't need to trinket you can lock wall in stun
Yea its fine on like the waterwork map
Gets dicey on ab having 1 float for lm + farm with a team fight bs with locks sitting
But ANYWAY i was just asking about boat vs timeworn for my alt boomie for rbgs
And which one to roll woth first
Ty boss
kindred galleon
Offensive cavoke a bitch
dapper obsidian
What u guys say about godcomp in 3s? Possible? Which rating i Can reach with?
junior plover
godcomp is really good right now
fire is probably spriest's best partner
altho resto is not their prefered healer iirc
Unless you actually mean frost mage
in which case nope
dapper obsidian
Fire shadow rdruid
junior plover
ye its good
fire is arguably the best spec in the game right now
and shadow is S tier
wind rock
What is godcomp? :)
wind rock
Ahh thanks
surreal loom
Do yall ever just sit on the healer as feral/disc
clear pulsar
Idk if you get trucked by WW
If you drop Vortex in the goes
They gotta roll out before porting
I think the WW gets trucked
chrome panther
lol if ww wants to pve your spriest just walk behind pillar and global him
fmage can carry the whole team if you cross cc for him
thorny venture
i just realized that alliance is still only at 15% warmode bonus
this is the longest its ever been close to parity
stone nest
I think the system I hate the most is the stupid ass charges to swapping conduits. I swap that stuff all the time then I have to wait days to be able to play the game the way I want to.
loud wedge
Wait convoke dosnt hit ANY CC now?
weak hinge
does it hit cyclone again?
clear pulsar
Abuse what? It was garbage
clear pulsar
They just reverted the change bro
.
clear pulsar
It works the same as last week
!
loud wedge
Felt it was good.. Guess i suck at theorycrafting
blissful oyster
Hey guys - does anyone know what the current mastery cap is for feral in PvP?
primal bane
i am TWENTY FIVE conquest away from a piece this week
empty sentinel
junior plover
Do yall ever just sit on the healer as feral/disc
Most games tbh
last basin
it hits cyclones again?
primal bane
ive never seen this playing alliance
thorny venture
Ours is higher as alliance
15% the last few weeks. I miss my against overwhelming odds anima dang it
edgy shale
wasn't it at like...40% at some points in 8.3?
bitter harness
ye 30 max
oblique wharf
what comp does preva play?
tiny oar
Hey guys - does anyone know what the current mastery cap is for feral in PvP?
There is no hard cap buddy just as much versa mastery as possible
edgy shale
freaking alliance privilege. best racials and 30% warmode bonus smh
edgy shale
next week baby, double potency niya
burrs is pve option. no idea wat people are going for pvp
primal bane
bro ive heard of think before you speak
clear pulsar
Idk if people will play niya as feral
near tapir
that's what I was asking, thank you
primal bane
it needs to go to legitimately do not talk while still asleep
how do i post a 10% warmode alliance ss and the rationale is that wm bonus never existed so far
its just insane its at 10% thats like a first
last time its been 10% was before overwhelming patch
thorny venture
Oh, it went down to 10%? Was 15% for na
edgy shale
alliance dominates the maw
thorny venture
Not on na, at least not since they nerfed farming the people leaving
unique cairn
anyone thats able to sim like 3 million itterations on raidbots?
clear pulsar
No both sides get % bonus in war mode
primal bane
i think ally is majority only on oce and taiwan
edgy shale
10% baby
near tapir
first weeks on my server there was 99% alliance and 1% horde, while horde had 10% and alliance had 30%
clear pulsar
Fucken ausi
primal bane
server is irrelevant tho
thorny venture
I'm wondering if it's horde turning warmode off because they're facing actual resistance
primal bane
i was warmode on and played the game to its full extent in 8.0
people who have the tour of duty mount from bfa 8.0 need a special badge of honor
thorny venture
I did it with epic bgs myself haha
primal bane
damn i did it legit lol
stable halo
hi guys good morning! one question about the vault... i got a conquest cape that has better stats or wrist with worse stats but 20 ilvl more.. is ilvl more relevant or should i go looking for stats first?
thorny venture
Ilvl despite everyone apparently wanting 25% vers to invite you to rbgs
wispy sandal
oblique wharf
boomy warrior hpal is a little bit of a scuffed comp right?
kindred pivot
Resto druids are stil using the swiftmend lego right?
bleak wigeon
whats the boomkin weapon enchant of choice?
oblique wharf
celestial
oblique wharf
yeh would just be nice to have a 30 second para
steady tinsel
tawny basin
assuming same ilvl, is there any downsides to 1h+oh vs 2h weapons?
oblique wharf
@tawny basin not really
tawny basin
cuz game refuses to offer me 2h weapon for pvp and its now 2nd week i get offered a 1h lol
oblique wharf
still save a decent amount of conquest with 1 hand
think it depends on covenant what stats your weapons get
tawny basin
yeah OH is only 450
oblique wharf
ideally you want haste on it
tawny basin
yeah well 1st one had crit, 2nd one has mastery
edgy shale
wait, why would boomy war hpal be a scuffed comp
tawny basin
im kinda fine w mastery since its ok in PVE for me as boomie as well
oblique wharf
lol yeah dont think it is
not really sure the objective though
was playing with some low gear buddies
felt decent
loud wedge
Did anyone of you try holy paladin? Is it easy to transistion to when im used to balance/resto?
oblique wharf
hpal is ez, one of the easiest healers
even more now that its strong af
true, we played up to 1900 mmr with a 184 hpal
so with gear think it will be better
loud wedge
Goodie, kinda want an alt.. And i see ALL rbg teams want atleast 1 hpal lol
thorny venture
I've been torn between paladin or warlock as a pvp alt
edgy shale
i dont really think u can go too wrong with 3 meta classes. maybe its not their best comp, but they are meta for a reason.
it aint cuz they're bad
thorny venture
Paladin would probably be an easy way to get that elite plate set
kindred pivot
Is it possible to have too much vers as a resto druid?
unique cairn
my stats are getting screwed 😛
edgy shale
i do not think too much vers is possible
edgy shale
idk resto stat priority, but if mastery is 2nd then that's an issue of having too much crit/haste not too much vers, right?
deep rampart
Are there haste breakpoints for moonkin pvp?
candid moth
nope
kindred pivot
The stat prio is vers haste mastery crit, i was wondering if there was a breakpoint at much vers or to little mastery
candid moth
r1 run arround with 27% versa
you should be fine
with stacking vers as much as possible
deep rampart
I have 21 haste lol feels like maybe too much?
candid moth
thats a lot, but not bad
edgy shale
its a valid question that ur mastery might be too low, maybe try simming ur stat weights and that might give u some idea how badly having that low mastery affects you
idk if u can even sim healing ive never played a healer lol
u must be able to
loud wedge
Cant sim in raidbots
Only sims dps
Qelive i believe it is
Maybe @vestal citrus can shed some light
kindred pivot
I have 21 haste lol feels like maybe too much?
Im at 25..
candid moth
must be some flopping noodle starsurges tough
vast vapor
oh noes ppl are finally realizing pyroclasm is giga broken compared to meteor
vast vapor
hope so too
blissful oyster
I have 40% mastery as feral
edgy shale
i want ww nerfed, but i'd take fire too
blissful oyster
But I'm trying to establish if there's a soft cap atm
tulip falcon
But I'm trying to establish if there's a soft cap atm
blissful oyster
Thanks for the link mate. So it's 106%
tulip falcon
well that's the theoretical hard cap if it can ever be reached
tulip falcon
yea no
blissful oyster
I'm trying to establish whether it's worth sacrificing mastery for ilvl and more agility
tulip falcon
how much ilvl diff is it
candid moth
Bring back corruption
blissful oyster
184 - 197
vast vapor
most likely worth
blissful oyster
Or 207
tulip falcon
Yeah I defo would
Mastery isn't big enough to drop that much ilvl/mainstat
As feral too
lost siren
what happens if I kick lock a DH doing fel beam
bitter harness
they cry
lost siren
yeah but do I lock any other abilities
bitter harness
I think so but not sure, best to test it out with a friendly DH
lost siren
there are no friendly dhs
lost siren
lime light
Being interrupted during Eye Beam DOES lock out:
Immolation Aura
Imprison
Torment
Chaos Nova
Consume Magic
1min with my friend google
lime light
they used to/get insane haste if they finishing cast
weak hinge
Kick the Hunt or even better: cc the hunt during travel time.
lime light
u cant kick hunt ape
lime light
imagine playing allaince
wind rock
Can I dispel the dot?
lime light
scummy also
vague mural
F
warstomp as he connects
idk tho yea its rough, but if you live their hunt go usually can win vs dh imo
topaz python
second week in a row that i've taken sygia from vault because pvp options trolled me 😦
feels so bad 😦
bitter harness
1min with my friend google
trump told me not to trust big tech
candid moth
trump told me not to trust big tech
bitter harness
lime light
it always is, when bite does insane dmg, and their hp pool armor is low
livid wasp
got 2.2k easily now I struggle to keep 2.1k
safe heart
dang im still struggling to get 1600
tulip falcon
play jungle 
iron nacelle
Getting 1800 on resto was not fun.
I don't have it in me to push further, so chilling with arena for now.
safe heart
cant find any hunters / discs who wanna stick around 😦
mossy quail
Im debating whether I should swap to Kyrian (boomy) since I dont really raid, only m+ and pvp
The higher rating I get the harder it is to get a good convoke of
safe heart
i assume you glad rated guys have a pool of ppl you pvp with regularly?
weak hinge
@mossy quail if so yeah switch over to kyrian. its better
primal bane
@safe heart pug pvp is a tumor, nobody sticks around in general regardless of class
people usually get high rated once, add some players who are also glad+
and can easily get glad again at every rating this way
coral sandal
hey guys im a feral playing jungle. im currently troll, how much better/nicer would it feel if i were to swap to tauren?
lime light
dont do it
tulip falcon
it wouldn't make a lot of difference
steep idol
hey guys, what better for up 1k8 ? feral or boomy ?
bitter harness
yes
edgy shale
draught in pvp
livid wasp
any double dps beats feral/disc 100-0
lime light
if disc cant find his radiance button sur
mossy quail
@weak hinge would you say its better for m+ too? I like the convoke damage you are able to do on bosses in m+ for example during Tyrannical weeks, but perhaps kyrian is better for overall damage and trash
weak hinge
@mossy quail kyrian is good for high keys. NF is good for prio targets/prideful mob. idk. i like both in M+
last basin
I dislike the idea of linking damage
weak hinge
for pvp you link yourself
for m+ in high keys u usually play with a coordinated group
last basin
i know
weak hinge
adds an additional layer of coordination. i like it
mossy quail
I play with mm and ww, so using it for the MM would give quite the extra damage
lime light
battlemaster if u think they gonna go on u
unborn anchor
in rbg for feral, do you guys run AOE talents?
tardy hare
no
hardy holly
hey, can someone tell me where i can buy bg drinks?
bitter harness
i bought mine at my covenant innkeeper
primal bane
feral rbg p good
if u play it the right way u can maximize ur value as feral in rbg easy
but you still choose to play feral over the best dps RBG spec in teh game
tulip falcon
in rbg for feral, do you guys run AOE talents?
you can run primal wrath if you're on condensed teamfight maps like eots or gilneas and running apex legendary
you'll get a shitton of procs
if you're running symmetry or not on any of those maps then no
unborn anchor
@tulip falcon Thanks 🙂
umbral citrus
Druid
Reverted a recent change that caused Convoke the Spirits (Night Fae Ability) to strike targets affected by crowd control abilities that break on damage, such as Entangling Roots.
Covenants
tall tiger
damn they reverted it? So behavior in the clip is expected?
umbral citrus
Yes
Kinda sux if convoke breaks blind ect
But they fixed it so that it does not hit cycloned targets. And that is huge
queen copper
It doesn’t hit blind
It’s the exact same as before but now doesn’t hit clone
So use root to control who it doesn’t hit
tall tiger
yeah makes sense, just feels bad not to be able to combo your burst with a root beam hard disable
queen copper
Root beam healer and disable other player by making his hp 0
Or you can root dps and kill healer with a team mate stun etc
tall tiger
of course, but 1v1 vs a mage or spriest or whatever. also mass entangle range is pretty big so if you clip both with entangle you gotta break the root on your target before dropping the convoke bomb
queen copper
Yep hit the with a surge first
The 1v1 is harder but just gotta bait the Cs somehow then pray
clever knoll
It's hitting divine shield and cyclone after the revert for me. Anyone can confirm?
queen copper
It hits bubble shouldn’t hit clone. Maybe change again
clever knoll
If it doesn't hit clone, then it's not a full revert then. It's a big buff
Ill do some testing again when I get the chance
queen copper
Yea buffed for sure. Haven’t tried myself that was just recent reports
livid wasp
why cant 2s be more about skill
im so sick of facing these fucking mongo WWs and warriors
like jesus christ
gaunt beacon
Guys, I'm a fairly new pvp resto druid player on Blackhand-EU and I would need some guidance regarding my hotkey setup, would this be the right channel to ask questions regarding this?
forest kite
Nothing new about war in 2s since tbc.
gaunt beacon
@weak hinge Well as a druid I have a lot of spells, some general and some shapeshift form specific. Because of that, especially for PVP, I'm having issues for a smart hotkey setup. Currently I'm using the following setup but I already noticed that it's not very ideal.
So for example, to "catweave" I have to go into feral form via Shift+2 but to get out of feral, I need to press "Shift+2" again and then Ill be able to heal
Probably there are so much smarter ways to do that, maybe some of you could give me some valuable input
weak hinge
u can bind healing spells in catform. just bind the catweave stuff to keys outside of your cat bar
weak hinge
for example i use mouse4+5 for this
gaunt beacon
@queen copper Thanks, that makes sense.
"just bind the catweave stuff to keys outside of your cat bar" the last part I dont get? Can you make an example here?
queen copper
Or yea bind healing spells on the other bars so you can hit them in cat form is the alternative
queen copper
"just bind the catweave stuff to keys outside of your cat bar" the last part I d...
Like your efflorescence on shift 5 but with normal heals
livid wasp
yes I play feral
gaunt beacon
Thanks for your valuable tips already guys. It would help alot in addition, if someone could give me some screenshots of an example layout, only if possible 🙂
queen copper
I play boomy so no help to you 😦
queen copper
Solstice as nf usually
sand spade
OK, ty
queen copper
Foe good for kyrian bursts
sand spade
Yeah, was running it before on Kyrian but went NF for raiding
weak hinge
Mhm. I disagree with Solstice for NF generally. I feel like you go Solstice with BOAT and FOE with Dreambinder
Regardless of Covenant
sand spade
I run Dreambinder, so guessing it would be FoE then
weak hinge
Pumping 5 Surges with Dreambinder is good
sand spade
My problem is knowing if I should cast FoE with Incarn or Convoke with Incarn
Using boht seems to be a waste of AP
sand spade
True
weak hinge
i just try to incarn -> convoke and then dump with FOE and 5 surges
i have to stay NF until the raid is over. afterwards i will just go to 1min burst windows with kyrian 🙂
livid wasp
seeing them buff convoke makes me think theyre never gonna do any pvp fixes
sand spade
Yeah also going Kyrian after raiding
forest kite
seeing them buff convoke makes me think theyre never gonna do any pvp fixes
They won't before the first round of the tournament, but blizzard like to fix things then nerf it, hey convoke.
queen drift
Guys, I see a lot of R1 druid going full vers/haste. Is it better than vers/mastery? Especially in terms of dmg?
sick latch
feels like haste is especially good for utility and actually being able to finish your casts
but is weaker for burst
queen drift
Yeah its what I was telling myself
They're all kyrian aswell so I guess they don't need the extra dmg from mastery
vast vapor
its kinda debatable if its weaker for burst either
getting 2x surges out with a bit more mastery compared to getting the third one out with a bit less mastery might be pretty much of a difference
which haste gives with lower gcd
queen drift
Lower numbers but quicker burst
forest kite
nice vault , but should've done a game last week , 11K+ honor for 233 is rude.
bitter harness
dapper obsidian
Rdruide - convoke or necrotic swarm?
oblique wharf
anyone try korayn on boomy?
muted niche
so for my pvp shoulders im feral should i get haste or crit
bleak wigeon
How os the korayn soulshape stun, some1 got some rides with it yet?
autumn jasper
@gaunt beacon use [harm] and [help] macros
For example, you can do a macro like /cast [@mouseover,help,exists][help]reujuvenation; [form:3] ferocious bite
That macro will cast ferocious bite of you are in cat form. If you target or mouse over a friendly, it will automatically take you out of cat form and cast rejuv
You can get creative with those
gaunt beacon
@autumn jasper oh nice!
dapper obsidian
convoke is good as healer?
placid mirage
Dumb question but can you clone i nto a clone to refresh or do you have to wait for it to fall off
dapper obsidian
u have to wait
burnt karma
Anyone have any experience with necrolord as a resto? I’m thinking about swapping covenants. Would it be worth it if I focus RBG’s but getting into 3’s? So much conflicting information out there
forest kite
Convoke gives you a better focus on different aspects of playing rdruid with the different comps and setups. It's also good when kicks are out the way because it tends to top everyone off to full and on a 2 min CD. Also, if you're running a cleave comp and the whole time is CC'd or has no kick then you can go into cat form and convoke to get that quick and juicy with all the ferocious bites going out.
I hardly see many necrolords despite it being the 'best' PvP covenant for Resto druid but the only issue with NF is getting kicked on Convoke locks you out of nature.
woven mural
ashen smelt
full pvp gear with sockets is around there
gaunt beacon
Convoke gives you a better focus on different aspects of playing rdruid with the...
It's also just more druid themed imo 🙂
tiny oar
also theres like 10 actual rdruids that are focused on pvp only
ashen smelt
Adaptive Swarm isn't required and there are high ranked players with both covenants, but AS definitely becomes more common the higher your rating gets above duelist.
tiny oar
rest are just pve lords all picking convoke cuz its bis for everything but pvp
crude sand
how do you fight against dh resto. Whenever i play against them it feels like im not doing any dmg
as a feral
forest kite
Nah, it's not ground breaking at all. You have people like Markers who is running NF as well. We also personally unlocked our best soulbind for PvP so you'll prob see a lot of difference.
ashen smelt
We also personally unlocked our best soulbind for PvP so you'll prob see a lot of difference.
Korayn?
burnt karma
So necrolord is good for survivability and sustain, night far is more well rounded for PVE and PvP I suppose?
ashen smelt
Admittedly I'm a bit hazy on the soulbinds for PvP. What makes the final one so strong?
forest kite
Yeah, he's out best for PvP especially once we get the last slot unlocked. All his last options are extremely good especially the standing still for 5 seconds reduces all damage by 15%.
ashen smelt
ohh
forest kite
All of his slots are extremely good in PvP, to be honest.
swift chasm
well i wanna start pvp Arenas with my feral - looking for a guy or girl whos up to team 😄
forest kite
What makes him so good for PvP is the first slot which is damage to targets below 75% health and healing to allies 35% health is increased by 10% and the movement speed you get with it.
burnt karma
AS is the equivalent of a rejuv right?
tiny oar
in terms of actual healing its like a regrowth hot barely does anything ya but the added 30% hot effectiveness is the insane part
oblique wharf
what would you do?
burnt karma
Honestly Korayn sounds stronger than going necrolord at this point tbh
steel trellis
Stun them make em use trinkets wait for drs to go away then restun convoke that’s what works for me
short sapphire
In RBG, is using starfall bad? i just got kicked for mentioning i press starfall in clusters?
bitter harness
it's not very useful imo
rigid linden
its pad
bitter harness
^
rigid linden
u surge focus targets always
bitter harness
better off pumping starsurges in the called target
steel trellis
I also am trying to figure out how I got one shot while pvp as a guardian with 116k hp with ALL defensive running with 6-8stacks of iron fur barkskin and survival instincts
Typing on phone is not fun
bitter harness
true
fickle junco
were you holding a flag or an orb?
steel trellis
No
upper lake
what legendary would you say is best for battlegrounds for a balance druid?
steel trellis
Nothing also tested several times with a monk friend they did 90k+ damage to me but my hp never went past 70% remaining
bitter harness
did you.... look at the damage taken log?
fickle junco
was there a priest near by?
turbid jolt
What soul/conduit you think this week for nf feral
steel trellis
As it was a monk that one shot me from 116k. And yes I did look at logs but showed nothing but my monk friend sent me a screenshot of the player saying something about a exploit
hollow coral
hi im a very new druid and im trying to learn, according to icyveins floral recycling is good but another source says its garbage is any of this correct?
finite turret
I got gloves from weekly vault with 40 speed but my verdant is crafted on gloves. I am contemplating of crafting it on shoulder instead to get the extra MS.
So I wanted to sanity check if it is worth chasing speed tertiaries or am I making a mistake?
bitter harness
tertiaries dont work in RBG/arena
except for enchants etc
random procs on gear don't work
fickle junco
Beserk buff+ touch of death+idk
hollow coral
is verdant infusion any good for resto?
finite turret
tertiaries dont work in RBG/arena
Hmm wasn't aware of that thanks for pointing that out 😮
bitter harness
np
forest kite
is verdant infusion any good for resto?
Best PvP legendary
hollow coral
alright i see
iron snow
What's the best balance pvp legendary atm?
forest kite
Also, I personally don't read Icyveins because it tends to always be wrong. If you're NF then you want to run the Well Honed instincts, convoke conduit & innate resolve if you're rdruid
junior plover
How do you play against resto as feral
which resto
versed coral
Are there any rated bg resources to get better?
hollow coral
Also, I personally don't read Icyveins because it tends to always be wrong. If y...
thanks alot for your answers as a new druid this really helps! 🙂
smoky hamlet
Feral affinity master shapeshifter talent still broken for rdruids
hollow cypress
Anyone got a build for Boomkin FC for RBGs. Just wanna see what other take
weak hinge
Resto Convoke in car does same dmg with feral or without feral affinity. Right?
Cat *
clear pulsar
broken as in not working?
It doesn't work
junior plover
Snupy got to like top5 2s with a holy priest the other day
top5 feral
But if you have a priest you might as well roll disc
They also get a good stun into fear setup so that you can freely maim convoke the other guy
Idk people are sleeping on it
clear pulsar
Yeah what about your dignity tho
junior plover
junior plover
Oh no I'm playing INTO rshams
clear pulsar
That's not what I said
junior plover
by far the easiest healer to kill in my experience
primal bane
so when u pressure something thats already hard to play people fall
junior plover
Yeah fair enough
thinking back
there were a few rshams that absolutely gapped me
primal bane
no but ive seen their heal conditions
clear pulsar
Yeah you're full of shit
primal bane
????
clear pulsar
As usual
primal bane
so u can keep
junior plover
Kek
clear pulsar
rsham is so hard to play
Have you played it?
well not but i read some spell tooltips
LEGENDARY take
primal bane
sure moonfire
let me just
never giove my opinion
on any class i havent played
so like
if u dont play fire mage
junior plover
primal bane
why even say its broken
you cant know that
you cant understand anything you dont play
idiot
junior plover
Maybe I'm the problem and I just don't know how to kill other healers consistently
Either way Holy priest is up there with the rsham/rdruid imo
primal bane
h priest fills a cheese niche with all the revive mechs in the game
but disc still better
clear pulsar
Holy priest players are kinda disgusting
junior plover
the other way around
clear pulsar
Like tank players
junior plover
Oh yea
I think Prot Pala in 2s
is about as good as holy priest
thats my take
found it
primal bane
why, they have the 5+ res cheese shit but thats not gonna last
clear pulsar
Did you read their spells too?
I feel like you didn't actually
They don't have 5+ res cheese shit
junior plover
since it's a bug
junior plover
he is just full of shit
clear pulsar
From the 3rd soulbind?
junior plover
Yep
primal bane
its infinite revives atm
clear pulsar
So that's what, 3 at most?
junior plover
It just keeps procing
clear pulsar
The legendary, guardian spirit if you count that, and necro soulbind bug
junior plover
Its not even good
primal bane
i mean if u literally cant end the game with a hpriest using this
primal bane
its pretty good lmao
primal bane
oh rip
hardy cargo
Okay so did blizz revert the root convoke thing or not?
From what I've heard convoke still won't hit cyclones but it won't hit root targets
vital parcel
uhm so it ignores root then?
also does it ignore stunned targets too? I had a game where i bashed a guy and convoke went on the healer instead
primal bane
just rng
autumn nova
slender pier
what's best spec to play for pvp? Currently I play resto but I havent' done any pvp on this char yet and unfortunately it's the best way to get gear
vital parcel
balance for 3s i would say
feral for 2s
resto if ur a god
think balance is the easiest
junior plover
also does it ignore stunned targets too? I had a game where i bashed a guy and c...
No
slender pier
I'm the exact opposite of a god when it comes to pvp
junior plover
That'd render convoke useless
slender pier
I'm p fucking good at pve though XD
junior plover
Just play whatever you feel comfortable playing
vital parcel
That'd render convoke useless
mustve been bad rng or something else then
junior plover
other than Guardian
Yeah Boomkin will just randomly cast on people in los
you could be in their face and hit someone just on the edge of starsurge range
vital parcel
haha yeah
I had a game where i chased the healer, convoked, he LOSed and his dps just got gibbed
charred shard
I was playing with a hunter where we both has the moonkin LoSed for convoke and for some reason he decided to peak out for a countershot. Needless to say he fucking died
vital parcel
it be like that sometimes
turbid belfry
am i missing something with niya tools? they all feel very weak
2.6k damage over 30 sec lol
and only against casters
or a 20% slow that can be evaded
dusty needle
are the AWC qualifiers being streamed?
clear pulsar
When Grove invigoration already exists
turbid belfry
yeah true invigoration is busted
fluid raven
A bit awkward question. What do I do when Im oom in rbg ? I cant eat a food in rated it seems.
fluid raven
oh I think i could use fodd that doesnt add any bonus
clear pulsar
You can drink anything that doesn't restore health
haughty compass
Water. Lol
slender pier
Someone remind me why pvp is supposed to be fun.
clear pulsar
It's not fun if you're mentally 10 years old and can't handle losing*
But if you don't find it fun then don't play it
If you hate it and are unwilling to learn then you won't get gear above 207 anyway
Spamming m+ is a better use of your time
If you have m+ friends
slender pier
Imagine having friends
clear pulsar
Gold boosting has been insanely normalized and hella rampant too lately
slender pier
I'm willing to learn, just seems pointless to do it alone cause you're not learning anything.
clear pulsar
I'm sure you can find some gladiator to boost you thru to some rating
slender pier
Poor as fuck
I'd also never pay for gear like that. You're a POS if you do change my mind
haughty compass
Selling 1600 is my new kink
slender pier
Time to try arenas
bitter harness
I'd also never pay for gear like that. You're a POS if you do change my mind
wow
nocturne burrow
Not sure what I'm doing wrong as feral but securing kills in 2s just seems impossible. I'm slinging heavy damage and stuff just isn't dying
nocturne burrow
I'm 1600 as boomy but in feral I have a hard time
nocturne burrow
Is there something I'm missing?
bitter harness
how would anyone know that
based on the info you have provided
if you showed a vod maybe someone could analyse
otherwise
idk how anyone could help you
( I know nothing about feral btw, just a general comment )
slender pier
BoE are different than getting straight up boosted imo
clear pulsar
You're wasting your time dotting both targets
nocturne burrow
Just thinking in the broader sense of is there a setup im not catching on or general playstyle that seems to work better?
Wait really?
clear pulsar
But there is no way to give you any pointed advice without knowing what you're playing like my g
nocturne burrow
I have been playing like past seasons putting thrash and rip on everybody and biting kill target
Is the spread pressure just not there now?
nocturne burrow
Lol facts no parsing
clear pulsar
Well is your spread pressure accomplishing anything?
Like are healers ooming or something?
nocturne burrow
I'm getting defensive cds all over the place and getting people low
clear pulsar
Any healer outheals feral bleeds with just passive shit like SHock Barrier, Atonement, Riptide, etc
Doing swaps is one thing
nocturne burrow
I guess I didn't realize just how little the bleeds actually did. So its more like BFA where damage is loaded into bites then
safe heart
Roobi I'm not a great feral yet but the way I'm finding success is to to and create a kill window with your partner
Do the a mini feral frenzy burst on openers to force trinkets and stuff , then swing back around with CC on heals and the can go in with convoke or a berserk
So like I'm playing with a shaman lately , he's spam hexing healer while I'm maim convoking the dps
Bait kicks before you convoke
nocturne burrow
Makes sense. I raid as a boomy and do 3s and rbgs as a boomy but in 2s it just doesn't feel good so I wanted to try feral
tepid apex
For verdant infusion, should I craft gloves or shoulders?
or doesn't it matter?
@red plume
safe heart
I wouldn't stress about bleeding both targets unless you're just kinda running around waiting for cds
nocturne burrow
Yeah I havent had the fortune of Qing with a healer in comms so setups have been rough
tepid apex
Anyone know? :[
junior plover
I guess I didn't realize just how little the bleeds actually did. So its more li...
The main reason to bleed is Taste for Blood
but you should rarely spend 5cp on rip
unless you have literally nothing better to do and are just waiting for cooldowns
safe heart
Yeah most of the time I'll just rake then 1 or 2 cb rip
deft ginkgo
whats the go 2 pvp lego for nightfae boomie
nocturne burrow
Ok I appreciate the help
safe heart
Sure man, I'm trying to learn it too, and it's rough out there, happy to help if I can
blissful belfry
whats the go 2 pvp lego for nightfae boomie
Boat or TD. TD is arguably better, but boat is very strong while also being BiS in all other content
vocal geyser
Hello my fellow boomies, what finess conduit do you take for pvp
pliant abyss
does shooting stars have a max proc per min?
silent hare
ty for whoever told me about comp
i grabbed a hpal and we stomped 1480-1600 real fast
feral/hpal was clean
tepid spoke
does shooting stars have a max proc per min?
no
procs work with RPPM
a.k.a you are limited by certain procs per minute based on your luck
you can get 0 procs a min, or 7 procs a min, based on the RPPM of the spell
which for shs idk what it is exactly
clear pulsar
procs work with RPPM
That's not true for all procs
clear pulsar
And Shooting Stars has some weird scaling math for multiple targets
tepid spoke
shooting stars has square root dr scaling
it was added after legion because it didnt and was stupid
but for 1 target DR doesnt apply
safe heart
@silent hare just curious but what were you using before
clear pulsar
Player >> comp
silent hare
hpals seem disgustingly good lol
safe heart
Yeah I know that hpal hard countsrs me if I don't out right kill them before bubble
Like of we don't kill someone in the first 15 seconds , hpal makes them immune to death
soft cliff
I play resto Druid for pretty much everything and I’ve been trying 2s with warriors or dh. I can’t seem to get out of the 1200 range. I’m sitting at 30k hp and 23% vers. Is it a gear thing or a me thing? Is there a target hp/vers I should be shooting for before expecting to progress?
soft cliff
Ok explain that part
safe heart
Are you dying or is your partner dying
soft cliff
Both but it’s normally late into the match
Like 3-5 minutes in after initial burst stuff
I struggle with the other healers stuns and kicks
clear pulsar
If you're at 1200 it's 100% not a gear thing
soft cliff
Haha fair enough
clear pulsar
You need to read up or idk just learn what other specs do my brother
Positioning is everything in arena
And it tells you a lot of what the enemy wants to accomplish
You also need information available on your screen
CC DRs, enemy CDs, etc
Arena is a game of trading cooldowns
And lining up crowd control with damage
slender pier
How do you not dying in straight up two fucking seconds
full hp to 0 in two seeconds from an mm hunter and fire mage
soft cliff
As resto?
safe heart
Your partner should peel for you
mighty yoke
I find 3s much worse as resto
soft cliff
Yeah I did a couple yesterday and got dropped from the group pretty fast
mighty yoke
In 2s you can keep pressure with kitty form, but 3s its just blow all cd’s and not die as a ret + war train you
slender pier
Like I should go to my stream and clip that shit cause I've never seen someone die that quick
stable halo
I struggle a lot on positioning... Specially against casters... Should I try lure them into me after opener or just go ham and cc healer wherever they are?
soft cliff
I normally run bear affinity for survivability
marble charm
Hello cat frens! Is there a basic guide for a bear on how to cat in random bgs? :<
sly marsh
Sorry if this has been suggested before but what if this discord had different channels for pvp for the different specs?
I came from the warrior discord and it’s all very coherent because there is 1 pvp spec lol
fickle junco
sub rogues 1 shot bears when they hold flags. >->
mighty yoke
Sorry if this has been suggested before but what if this discord had different c...
Ive tried koryy
soft cliff
You also need information available on your screen
I’m guessing there is a weak auras to track enemy cds?
dense cypress
Yo guys, I'm thinking about transferring my characters to another server. I'm currently on Azralon and I would like to transfer to an American/NA server rather than a Brazilian one (since I haven't been there in like, 7 years lol). What server would you recommend for a Horde PvP Focused player ? I was thinking about going to Area-52 or Thrall, but I have no idea. Also, it would be good if the economy was good and not fucked like azralon lol
slender pier
fucking ret pally is out healing me.
sly marsh
Horde tichondrius is pretty good iirc
clear pulsar
I’m guessing there is a weak auras to track enemy cds?
You should have an arena frame addon (sArena / gladius / gladiusex), and something to track cds, gladiusex does that too but most people use Omnibar.
mighty yoke
Yes, you can make it work, but you need to be A LOT better than a FOM healer of similar ranking
slender pier
So just don't play resto
soft cliff
You should have an arena frame addon (sArena / gladius / gladiusex), and somethi...
Thanks I’ll have to check them out.
mighty yoke
There is a reason the ladder is full of holy and discs
slender pier
I want gear so I HAVE to climb, fucking hate it but oh well
soft cliff
Boomkin is fun but I feel like it’s easily countered
mighty yoke
I think boomy or feral have a lot more climb potential right now tho
soft cliff
Tried feral last night and I just need to read more and muscle memory my keybinds more
clear pulsar
Swapping specs every 3 days isn't gonna help you climb
soft cliff
Yeah I get that. I’m really comfortable with resto, but I am by no means a pvp god. So I don’t need to hamstring myself into a class that is underperforming
mighty yoke
Resto is also performing good in pve, so dont expect a buff anytime soon
soft cliff
Oh yeah
weak hinge
resto is fine for 2s
silent hare
someone in feral told me to bait kicks then mighty bash or 5 cp maim and then convoke
you win all the way to 1600
he wasnt wrong
idle mango
What slot would be good for a boomie for boat that would be raiding mythic. Mainly doing m+/arenas Probably legs?
soft cliff
How do you bait kicks as feral?
mighty yoke
resto is fine for 2s
Fine and good are two different things
primal bane
what does feral have to bait kicks with
soft cliff
Ahh
silent hare
people are dumb enough to kick it
soft cliff
I was gonna say heal
silent hare
like actually
silent hare
i baited so many people today with cyclones
primal bane
but still sounds sluggish af
silent hare
well when u or your dps are getting trained
a cyclone will either bait a kick, or get u back to full hop
so
slender pier
what pvp addons should I get
silent hare
omnibar
idk what everyone else runs, but i only needed omnibar cause im new to pvp and jsut needed to see who kicked so i can convoke lmao
slender pier
does it call it out to you or do you have to look at it
cause I know there's one that calls out the stuff
slender pier
why?
tulip falcon
creates bad habits to rely on stuff like that imo, it always seemed detrimental to not develop the awareness naturally
stuff like omnibar and bigdebuffs should be enough for most people to keep track of stuff
slender pier
why does it create bad habits.
tulip falcon
because it stops you developing actual awareness in matches of what's happening when you're relying on some addon to call it out to you every time
it's more beneficial to actually develop that awareness
clear pulsar
Idk lossa is either like
YOu use it or you hate it
I think it's a bit bizarre but
I don't know if I'd argue against it like krassz lmao
I'm psure Glyph uses it!?
@vestal citrus defend yourself
tulip falcon
i know some people that used it when it was more common back in the day and they struggled to get out of using it
i remember in mop more people used it
if you use it for minimal things it's fine
watching people like athene use it and have it with like everything enabled
its horrible
most people i've seen use it have everything enabled
slender pier
But like, why does it matter, if the addon is likely to always exist and with the scene that pvp has one of them almost always will, why does it matter that you have that dependance if it makes it drastically easier to be a better rating?
clear pulsar
watching people like athene use it and have it with like everything enabled
Everything about watching Athene 
tulip falcon
ye he was just a more recent example which made me remember that the addon existed
clear pulsar
But like, why does it matter, if the addon is likely to always exist and with th...
It doesn't necessarily but it's whatever just use it if you want
You don't need people's permission
It's weird and bothers me
tulip falcon
ye never said you shouldn't use it
clear pulsar
If I used it I'd drop rating 100% cuz the overload of sounds fucks with me
Even if I disabled a few things
sly marsh
i like it set to only a few specific spells like CDs that are hard to see visually
if you leave it on everything it can be a bit much
clear pulsar
It's whatever just not an addon you'll see recommended or as a must have like omnibar and gladius
slender pier
I mean for low CR (i think that's what people call it) nobody's comming anyways, like I joined 5 different groups that like we'd talk a little bit in party chat before it started and then we'd play
tulip falcon
symmetry
primal bane
best pvp or all arounder?
obtuse ice
@stray sigil
tulip falcon
it's the best option in PvP, apex I believe is the PvE option but it can also work in PvP to some extent
symm is more consistent
since apex relies on procs from bleeds
primal bane
symm feels like a ball buster
since ull be at 4 combo points
and u still need 1 more for filler
tulip falcon
nah, you get 2 back after each finisher
not 4 after 2 finishers
makes it easy to pump out some big dam during tf
primal bane
usually i get 2 combo points after finisher