but most pve monks and dh wont get much more than 1400, maybe 1600/1800
#pvp
reef cedar
oblique wharf
clear pulsar
2400 if they know how to port
stray sigil
jajajaja
rancid sundial
Take higher ilvl from vault even if it's not bis stats?
Got mastery cloak on boomie, crit dagger, Crit bracer. Took cloak
supple path
should I take an item I already have with speed, or the stygia lol
remote cave
Does Sarena show DR's?
bitter harness
who's sarena
stray sigil
yes sarena shows dr
sick arrow
hey are there any youtubers that do kind of play-by-play, talking through their thought processes in arena as balance, or resto?
remote cave
Word, ty
rancid sundial
Supatease for balance
sharp wyvern
What leggo do rdruids run in arena?
chrome panther
What leggo do rdruids run in arena?
verdant
pallid vessel
i just hope the change makes convoke correctly target people in HoJ, it seems like it isnt completely ignoring HoJd target but it is not working correctly when im running balance/hpal
fun setting up a big cross CC go and then convoke just heals u at full health
dull badge
vers mastery are better stats as night fae for balance or no? i imagine the feel of haste vers is better
pallid vessel
super pog
crude minnow
For only your convoke, sure, but relying entirely on convoke is gonna make you sad. Need a good amount of haste to not feel sloooooow
A fatty mastery/vers set for convoke with BOAT is pretty hilarious tho
chrome panther
just stack mast/vers and play with prot pal
literally free till 2k when people learn to stun guardian
dull badge
yea, i def want that haste but dont want to get punished on my burst
muted niche
sooooooo when it comes to PVP is there a stat cap that once i hit it would be better to get gear in less prio stats? or is vers mas always the way to go?
crude minnow
What spec
muted niche
feral
crude minnow
Im not sure about feral stat balance, but I dont think we're in the realm of dimishing effects on stats this early
Vers starts diminishing at like 30%
muted niche
ok so i have 25% vers so im still good on that, but with some of my gear 184 ver mas weapon puts my mas at 40% or i can do a 207 ver haste weapon
you think its better for the 207 just off the bonus agil alone?
crude minnow
weapon is ilvl over everything nomatter the stat.
muted niche
because of the DPS on it and agil im assuming
crude minnow
If you swap em in and out, check the damage of one of your abilities. itll be like 10% higher
dusty needle
seeing people rage about convoke
just makes you know that they suck
there is just so much counterplay to it that all the rank 1 boomies are not playing convoke
yet these 1200 nerds are complaining about it still
remote cave
For sure
stone apex
Well paladins usually bubble the second you use Convoke at all haha
dusty needle
like bro if it was really op all the best players would be playing it
but its only good against people who make mistakes
so its a l2p issue
all the pros are kyrian man and people complain about convoke lul
stone apex
The thing is that everybody is used to it now, so their isn’t going to be an element of surprise anymore. so generally it’s not that great anymore tbh
dusty needle
its still good
but its definitely not as op as people say it is
compare convoke to combust
and tell me its broken
stone apex
course it is, but like you said generally people that are bad are going to complain about it. Decent players allready know how to counter it
dusty needle
^^^^^
its one of the reasons dh was not deleted in bfa
dh had a lot of counterplay people just didnt know how to do it
eventually dh got destroyed but they survived for so long because they did have exploitable weaknesses
convoke has a lot of weaknesses and a lot of strength
remote cave
Combust is crazy
stray sigil
@Tianton#0566 ur a ruski rat
surreal heron
Nice ping
obtuse ice
Pice Ning
sly marsh
rip
tight ferry
who tf is athene?
fickle junco
oh dear... everyone gets their "free" pvp upgrades today
clear pulsar
Snupy tanked 300 rating with Bicmex as they queued jungle with Athene yesterday @lime light
kindred galleon
Athenegrove?!
rancid sundial
Doesn't he have a cult now?
mighty yoke
As a boomy, should I open the chest as resto or boomy? Seems that resto gives haste? And boomy gives crit?
fervent gull
i wish resto vault would give me haste stuff
someone tested voke breaking stuff in pvp by any chance?
tardy hare
Snupy tanked 300 rating with Bicmex as they queued jungle with Athene yesterday ...
Queueing with Athene is an honor
alpine matrix
got the conflux conduit off the world boss drop feels good
stray sigil
isnt athene a cult leader
primal bane
and a loser
primal bane
that means a lot
tardy hare
That makes him a winner
bitter harness
SCHWFF! ROUND THE CORNER!
primal bane
swear every streamer is alliance
actually
guild name in title= horde , rest alliance
stuck bloom
Hey guys what lego does boomi use in 2v2/3v3?
teal hinge
I use boat. Some use dreambinder
north grove
guys, I feel that some disc priests know how to play w/ feral and some don't
im a newbie. 2k exp last season and now im running at 1400
is there any tip i can give to disc pugs when playing around feral?
i feel that they should use mind control more
so i can cyclone the other
but im not 100% sure if thats correct
devout frost
Hey guys what lego does boomi use in 2v2/3v3?
dreambinder mostly
north grove
so
after applying dots on our kill target, in which hp % priest should mind control it?
like, 50%?
coz then i would hit hard the otehr target
and b4 mc ends, cyclone the focus target
and go back to mc'd one
i guess?
timid grail
best legendary for rdruid arena? dark titan's lesson?
clear pulsar
best legendary for rdruid arena? dark titan's lesson?
Dark titan's lesson kinda ass in arena
It makes no sense to play it
I'm sure someone's played it to whatever 2.1, 2.2 rating with Photo in their big pve gear
But it's not really a thing
Verdant Infusion is what you want
timid grail
ahh, one guy mentioned verdant - is that the consensus among this discord for best?
gotcha
clear pulsar
For a default lego that's always good
There are some people that play some meme shit in particular in 2s
Like Draught, does good dam
daring sparrow
I play Draught in 2s
clear pulsar
Some people run Oath but I personally think it's ass
daring sparrow
I don't like Verdant in 2v2
clear pulsar
Draught's also ok healing since it affects both Rejuv and Germination
But it's more for the damage
daring sparrow
Why people are using the Verdant leg on Gloves?
Because there aren't Haste gloves pvp item?
If the Master Shapeshifter PvP talent would work properly, the Draught leg would be even better
timid grail
draught looks fun in 2's with feral affinity
topaz spruce
Soooo has anyone confirmed if the convoke change is hitting sheeped/saps/blinds etc??
clear pulsar
Why people are using the Verdant leg on Gloves?
Because there aren't Haste glove...
Cuz it makes an insignificant different
At full bis it'll be like 10 int different
Legit less than 0.1% output
acoustic nebula
Anyone else only get the Haste/Verse pvp items?
clear pulsar
I'd imagine many just crafted the legendary on the slot that would give them the biggest upgrade at the time
acoustic nebula
Kind of kicking myself for making Boat haste/verse now
acoustic nebula
I'd imagine many just crafted the legendary on the slot that would give them the...
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Roamy upgrade Haste/Verse Boat to 4 or build a new one?
acoustic nebula
Secondaries, I didn't think all the pvp would be haste verse
clear pulsar
Idk bro I'm haste > mastery all day if I'm playing a caster
acoustic nebula
True, and the higher on use is crit so I'll need that haste
When I get home from work I'm going to have 30% verse
acoustic nebula
I also will have 1100 conq .. to get cape and ring... Or pants .. or shoulders...
clear pulsar
Just to make it on same slot as my other lego I use all the time
Makes gearing choices easier
acoustic nebula
Hahaha yes smart
clear pulsar
I'm big stupid
I could have made Circle / Symmetry / NOW all on gloves
Instead made one on each slot
Different ones
acoustic nebula
I almost wish I made legs boat cause boots cheaper than pants for conq
river finch
i've read a lot of BOAT vs dreambinder, as NF 3s with affli lock, any opinions? i'm crafting today and been too indecisive about it. Also does rbg favor BOAT?
acoustic nebula
If night fae, boat has high value
clear pulsar
i've read a lot of BOAT vs dreambinder, as NF 3s with affli lock, any opinions? ...
Honestly bro we've had this conversation so many times here that at this point I think you'll just hear people say do what you want. It doesn't make a very large difference either way, both give you some increased burst when you're going hard. Dreambinder is more consistent, BOAT is more cheesy, but it doesn't REALLY matter tbh.
river finch
fair, thanks for the responses
probably why im struggling to choose bc ultimately it won't be too big of a difference
acoustic nebula
Eh.. it is a difference
clear pulsar
Yeah if you jsut do torghast every week you can have both at max ilvl in a bit over a month
It's no biggie
acoustic nebula
Difference in play style
clear pulsar
Yeah my issue with BOAT is that some goes in arena you just won't have Eclipse rolling
acoustic nebula
Either way you want to pool and burst, but yes, exactly what he said
clear pulsar
Cuz you sat bear form for the last 10 seconds and you just have this limited window to get damage out
acoustic nebula
Which is why haste is prob better than mast
clear pulsar
But then BOAT definitely makes your CA/Incarn pop better ye!? So it just depends on what you value I guess.
acoustic nebula
Then again the multiplier for the one shots, like if all my stuff was verse/mast.. imagine the 30% verse (42%~ damage)... If my mast was 30%.. that would be another 60% damage for that boat Convoke
acoustic nebula
Yeah you wait that out
clear pulsar
Like it's a window that is easy to waste and may not always be there when you need right?
acoustic nebula
Or go with Pally
river finch
i guess it ends up being, prioritizing the largest burst window vs smaller more consistent burst windows
acoustic nebula
Very true
clear pulsar
It's not smaller really @river finch
Because you have to consider that with Dreambinder and Fury of Elune, you can dunk 5 Surges in a row every minute
stone apex
I saw few people go for Dreamweaver because it has double potency
acoustic nebula
Apparently it was bugged and you couldn't hit HoJ'd targets? But now that's fixed?
clear pulsar
Because you have to consider that with Dreambinder and Fury of Elune, you can du...
Instead of just 3 Surges with extra crit if you're running BOAT
placid mirage
I'm pretty sure I was hitting hoj's
acoustic nebula
You go Dreamweaver for 1 pot /3 endurance
river finch
i might end up going dream just bc it feels so bad when you don't actually crit in boat window lol
placid mirage
What does that have to do with ur soulbind
stone apex
I saw guy going for Convoke+Umbral
acoustic nebula
Are you timing the window?
placid mirage
Oh you meant dreambinder
stone apex
Yes sorry
river finch
yea of course, i've been using a lvl 1 boat since first craft
acoustic nebula
I guess, that fatty wrath dmg
clear pulsar
i might end up going dream just bc it feels so bad when you don't actually crit ...
Yeah that's the thing right? Even the first Starsurge, assuming you have like low crit as you'd want, is still nearly a 50/50 to crit, I don't like that.
placid mirage
Dreambinder, dreamweaver too many dreams
clear pulsar
You go Dreamweaver for 1 pot /3 endurance
I think that's ok too but honestly bro the 90% slow after CC is so fucken nice
Especially on root beam
river finch
ALRIGHT i'll go with dreambinder, thanks for helping make the decision all
tepid spoke
Yeah that's the thing right? Even the first Starsurge, assuming you have like lo...
When you convoke with CA you have 80% chance to crit with convoke surges
clear pulsar
I think it's more impactful than 9s off barkskin cd
acoustic nebula
Yes but they fixed it to where freedom actually cleanses it
tepid spoke
or even incarn alone
acoustic nebula
If you have 10% crit base, plus 10 incarn+ 40 + 40 = 100
tepid spoke
can pump 4 surges with boat when you pump incarn + foe with 80% crit
placid mirage
Yeah but is that 4 sec window in ur incarn worth the 3 minutes of downtime idk
tepid spoke
yea 100% crit for first surge
acoustic nebula
And as you surge you get moonkin which adds +4/8/12
clear pulsar
When you convoke with CA you have 80% chance to crit with convoke surges
You have 80% chance to crit in the first 1 second of Convoke. Also, if you're playing like shit and want to rely on an interrupted Convoke lucking out on crits to bonk someone that's fine and dandy. But I'm of the perspective that if you're playing properly and setting up your Incarn Convoke with cross CC, it'll kill someone regardless of crits.
placid mirage
If I had run torghast the last 2 weeks I could have r3 dreambinder but cbf whoops
clear pulsar
Yeah gotta use positioning/range/line of sight to help funnel
winter spindle
Also, if you’re playing niya you get a HUGE mastery boost.. so if you’re full ap you can still pump 3 big starsurges
placid mirage
Just cyclone the person instead of cross cc and ur good
acoustic nebula
And wait until we get First Strike with 3rd soulbind.. 25% crit when you hit first and 10% damage
placid mirage
Is that actually going to be good
acoustic nebula
Imagine boat but your crit stays high
winter spindle
Or play dreambinder with the 90% slow after roots. Root beam the healer and convoke into them and watch them try and crawl away 🤥
acoustic nebula
Yeah
Idk I like getting Innate Resolve, Tough as Bark, and well honed though
And if you are doing 3s you get the extra 3% verse that gets passed
I just wish potency conduits did more. Seem so tiny
crystal stump
Yeah couldnt you just now bait a trink, cyc the dps and then convoke the healer? They wouldnt be able to interrupt it
north grove
is there a feral setup on 2s with hunter bm?
like, something that we always should try to do
acoustic nebula
You have one druid go in and incap, then you have me 1 shot them both
Incap into war stomp
Lmao
devout frost
is there a feral setup on 2s with hunter bm?
not really cause no one plays BM right now
both survival and MM would be better options
clear pulsar
Korayn kinda worthless for now unforch
north grove
so how it would work
they would open trap on healer?
freezing trap
and we cyclone b4 trap ends
clear pulsar
It's all game by game bro
Sometimes you want to just clone your target low on HP first if they popped a defensive already
Cuz then you stall out the defensive cd and can clone the healer without being interrupted 6s later
north grove
clone low hp target and do damage to the other?
clear pulsar
Which gains you 6s more for next trap/stun on healer
north grove
makes sense
clear pulsar
Idk many of us common folk just play with a healer cuz it's easier for rating, you'll see a lot of the rank 1 and multiglad ferals/hunters playing double dps 2s cuz they just do it for stream content and honor cap and stuff
It is good for sure
But it's harder
north grove
yes
im a common folk too
actually im behind that
lollol
but i dont have disc friends neither h pala friends
acoustic nebula
Question, is the root break pvp talent still useless then? Guessing so
clear pulsar
The one that makes it take more damage?
primal bane
even if it worked well it would still be pretty bad
clear pulsar
I think it's kinda trash yeah
I mean not that it's trash, but boomie has other pvp talents that are just better idk
I could see it to cheese kills on healers if you have no use for Thorns
devout frost
does it ever outvalue high winds in that scenario tho
clear pulsar
Prob not, high winds is lit
acoustic nebula
Team Crescent Burn
clear pulsar
I don't think so, it's like passive damage on a target you aren't hitting
Every healer will passively outheal that
crude minnow
Got flamed in an RBG group for low damage compared to the starfall boat boomies when I sat bases with dreambinder 
clear pulsar
Got flamed in an RBG group for low damage compared to the starfall boat boomies ...
Faced 3 boomie 2 rogue team yesterday, we won by 500 points in EOTS as the 3 boomies on enemy team were all top damage with Starfall #1 and I was sitting BET and stole DR from a bad rogue
primal bane
dont let people with honor gear flame you man
tepid spoke
starfall in pvp lul
clear pulsar
I love them starfalling boomies
primal bane
starfall is amazing pvp
u become PVE player
i love going epic BGs training my dps rotation
crude minnow
Rbg peeps seem pretty toxic.
Can rogue smoke bomb cap if you stand outside spamming moonfire?
fickle junco
can you even cast into a smoke bomb?
clear pulsar
Rbg peeps seem pretty toxic.
Can rogue smoke bomb cap if you stand outside spa...
No
Smoke bomb doesnt last long enough
Neither does cloak
Cap is 6s, both of those are 5s
stone nest
anybody know what indestructible means on items from the vault?
clear pulsar
So long as you aren't caught in a global cooldown
stone nest
my disappointment is immeasurable
fickle junco
a we times i have gotten luck they were not paying attention and instead attacking i capped it standing under them. silly people looking at full maps
bitter harness
my disappointment is immeasurable
if it was leech or avoidance it wouldnt work in RBG/arena anyway
as in, tertiary procs on gear
stone nest
id rather have a socket or something
bitter harness
legs cant get sockets
stone nest
i already had those pants but its the only thing that was useable
bitter harness
neck, wrist, ring, ring, waist, head
cold escarp
is well honed conduit really worth it? i keep getting mind games at low and killing my self with it
cold escarp
with how common priests are
clear pulsar
It's insane bro
cold escarp
i really consider switching
clear pulsar
The conduit is HUGE
primal bane
you can change soulbinds before entering arena
clear pulsar
But
primal bane
so just do that vs priests
still its a single interaction with one class and at a certain hp treshhold
clear pulsar
I'm assuming you're night fae ye!? @cold escarp
cold escarp
no
kyrian
also 50% of my games are vs priest
either shadow or disc
priests are insane rn
clear pulsar
Ok that makes it harder then
stray sigil
u can cancelaura regen btw
primal bane
yeah but theyre not flashy so people think boomie is better
stray sigil
if u see mindgames on u
clear pulsar
To come up with a soulbind tree that you can swap to finesse
cold escarp
yeah
clear pulsar
I imagine Pelagos is still best for Kyrian and the other ones aren't quite as useful
Kleia sounds ok but only because of the 8s immunity to disease/bleed/poison after using Phial
Which leaves you running double Endurance anyway
clear pulsar
And Swolebird is either 2 endurance or auto proc on Phial which also would kill you anyway.
tepid spoke
it doesnt feel like it does
fickle junco
mind games feels toxic imo
cold escarp
it has a cap in pve?
clear pulsar
Idk just get used to pressing your cancelaura
tepid spoke
a 7k dmg cap
surreal loom
the free auto-phial on Bron sounds nice but everything else too bad probably; also bron knockback could mess stuff up lmao
clear pulsar
Yeah ofc it has a cap
It doesn't just eat up all the healing you do
Forever
It's a set amount
tepid spoke
It feels like it doesnt
in pvp
tbh
like a renewal should eat the cap really fast
it doesnt
clear pulsar
the free auto-phial on Bron sounds nice but everything else too bad probably; al...
In about 3 weeks
surreal loom
Ey we dont get dat yet
clear pulsar
If this incapacitate includes poly it's absolutely insane vs RMx
For offtargets anyway, probably not for kill target
I mean it'll still be insane for everyone but
fickle junco
guess could be useful to survive a rogue opener, but then again, why are you not stealth to start
clear pulsar
If you're a kyrian hpal this is basically guaranteed 30% off on either poly or kidney, if not both.
surreal loom
I feel like standing still for 5 seconds is actually not very easy usually; it definitely murders openers though
clear pulsar
Cuz even if the first one is full, the 2nd one you'll have the reduction proc so it's insane.
Standing still is fine especially if people cc you to setup for something
Same with jungle like
If you stun to setup a trap
Or trap and stun after
It'll always give you 30% reduction on the 2nd CC effect
sleek light
for someone who is sort of new to pvp, how hard would it be to grind to the 213 wep as a boomkin? and what would be the easiest way
clear pulsar
Holy cock bro these covenants make me so upset 
surreal loom
Kyrian healers trying to watch when people are looking at them just to intentionally stand still gonna be funny
fickle junco
rip, usually Stun before using convoke.
little harness
No healer changes with hot fix 😮
sleek light
hm ok im 210 ilvl, cant get a damn weapon better than 200 and looking at my options
primal bane
i mean 200 is quite a strong anchor point
after you push 200 cap heroic raiding is like the best option
sleek light
well yeah, im in a mythic prog guild, and 200 is my lowest piece
primal bane
not necessarily for loot but for proving you should even have better gear
sleek light
happens to be my weapon
primal bane
i felt that, ive been feral specced for 3 weeks now and i still use an 184
sleek light
yeah. its frustrating. such an impacting piece and it eludes me
thus why i want to try to cheese 1600 in something lolol
primal bane
best way is find another dps
boomie, fire mage, rogue
and just speedrun 2s
up until 1600 you should easily win matches in sub 30 seconds if both players know how to play and communicate
sleek light
okay ill probably give it a shot if i dont get a wep drop from raid this week
i did some skirmishes and as long as my other person was semi competent
cyclone + convoke would just shred people
primal bane
yeah and in 2s that strategy becomes incap+cyc one player
if they trinket anything have your good reaciton time teammate use his cc instead
either way a combust or convoke will both win the game if they can full cast it
sleek light
cool cool thanks for the tips Cope
primal bane
np
bronze dagger
This was fun, did some 3's with two other random moonkins
Some moments were beautiful https://streamable.com/hneqvk
fickle junco
working as intended
clear pulsar
What is this spaceship UI
lilac plank
I know it's low lvl pvp but this just shows how shit this game is atm
fickle junco
everyone /// almost everyone has a broken thing they can get off. which is better than just Mage Lock Mistweaver
clear pulsar
Yeah I think the game is in a far far better state and more fun to play than in BFA
stray sigil
eh
remote cave
It's cool
clear pulsar
eh
Bro, that 2-boss raid had garbage shit that made season 2 unbearable, then tank trinkets in season 3 and corruption in season 4 just killed the game for me.
And I played DH in season 1 so fuck that shit
fossil fiber
are RBGs just like 2s and 3s in that you start to lose rating when you hit 1400?
stray sigil
game is shit rn bro
stray sigil
lol
vapid crane
Is there any where to find partners in here
stray sigil
my disc pops barrier ps and trinkets vs godcomp still dies to combust
just pop defensives
spiral lichen
I was gonna say
stray sigil
do gos like that
spiral lichen
all my dots feel worthless
stray sigil
until u win eventually
spiral lichen
so only real kill windows with healer/feral
is convoke or berserk?
or kyrian if you run that
hoary ledge
boomy bis potency? kyrian + dreambinder
stray sigil
usually u wont kill people out of maims
outside of crazy bite rng
dont necessarly need zerk
just need good cc chains
clear pulsar
@stray sigil do you think Incarn may be worth?
clear pulsar
Ok
stray sigil
incarn vs like maybe double dps
or maybe if u run cat eye
ik people were running it in fmp for a while
but that shit was debunked
not good
spiral lichen
just feels like even with good cc set ups my damage isnt high enough to push someone down in 6~ seconds
clear pulsar
I was just thinkg about like, the extra stun
Cuz then you can double stun a bit more often but yeah
Garbanzo beans
clear pulsar
Incarn rake + maim, meld rake + maim, bash + maim
clear pulsar
just feels like even with good cc set ups my damage isnt high enough to push som...
Do you have Symmetry!?
clear pulsar
Your main damage will come from Frenzy + extra Bite, and then triple Bite on Berserk
With Symmetry
clear pulsar
Yeah just BLAST bro
spiral lichen
I've noticed the sym damage hard falls off
stray sigil
he helps u bang in the maim
spiral lichen
cause your hitting 20 energy bites
clear pulsar
ngl sym not as good as ppl say but ya
It's just that everything else is worse lol
Natural orders will tho
stray sigil
unless its 100% a kill
clear pulsar
It's legit I swear to you bro
clear pulsar
Cat eye is the same as Symmetry tho
lime light
Both bad
stray sigil
ya but its more consistent
lime light
Leave
stray sigil
than sym
clear pulsar
It's very slightly faster pace when you pool, and then it's nice for like, chaining more Shred Bite Shred Bite on Berserk
I mean could be
stray sigil
anyways i just like cat eye for when i play bt
clear pulsar
Cat eye just on shit slots to make tbh
clear pulsar
Yeah bro I swear on NOW
I honestly think it may get nerfed
Eventually
In pvp
Like not now but in some major patch where they nerf survivability shit like endurance conduits maybe
cold escarp
how do i make a macro to spam shapeshift without cancelling it?
clear pulsar
You cant do that since like 6 years ago @cold escarp
cold escarp
i got one @clear pulsar but i thought maybe there's an easier wawy
way
/cast [noform:4] Moonkin Form
sick latch
Hey, i haven't gotten into RBG yet, been focused on arena, but i was wondering what makes boomkin so valuable in them, is it just all about that one shot build ? is there any point in trying to spread pressure ?
clear pulsar
Which is better than passive proc on any form like WHI
Boomie's insane cuz it does everything well in an RBG
It's like top 3 base sitter, has insane cross CC potential for stealing bases, big dam to 100-0 kill targets
fervent gull
my voke completily ignored a zapped player on 3s
forest kite
Waif @clear pulsar are you talking about NOW being good for Feral in arenas?
*Wait
Or what are we discussing here
Cause I was going to be crafting it for PVE cause I've been tanking a bit but I can see how it would be insane for Feral survivability I guess
acoustic nebula
Boomy flag carry now
stray sigil
@forest kite for feral yes
clear pulsar
Yeah the feral legendaries are all pretty underwhelming tbh
forest kite
That's the main reason I haven't made one
All seemed so meh
And I don't LOVE feral in pve right now
But I do like tanking, so it kinda makes my life super easy
paper solar
Best legendary for balance pvp?
paper solar
ty 🥰
acoustic nebula
Yw
forest kite
I thought everyone hated Oath
acoustic nebula
Sh
forest kite
I love it on Resto tho tbh. Makes me feel immortal.
versed coral
I like boat :(
forest kite
160% movespeed and good burst windows when it lines up. Insane with feral affinity in twos.
vast vapor
yeah at 1400
forest kite
People play it at glad level what is this 1400 talk
vast vapor
is there many 2400+ 2s rdruids
clear pulsar
I don't think they stack
I think sephuz stacks with Orc but not with Relentless
Something like that
maiden wraith
What legendary for resto?
stray sigil
sephuz oin boomy has to be the worst shit ever
u cant clone or u proc it lol randomly
vast vapor
giga 50% uptime
vast vapor
I would prolly really play it for fun if it stacked with rele
ruby walrus
Is mother tree the way to go for RBG's? Im rolling visions with germ, but the top R druids are running some weird stuff
vast vapor
just make ppl wutface why no cc on durid???
crude minnow
Sometimes talent choices aren't reliable to look at on ladder armory since they could change em for any other content
stark carbon
Fastest way to farm honor?
ruby walrus
Yeah I was looking at legendary specifically, I feel like I have a solid handle on the talent choices other than I cant figure out why people are so avoidant of tree
big tree
Soul seems worse as resto just flatout, since burtsing up FC's or focused targets with inno/regrowth spam seems to be necessary sometimes
ruby walrus
I meant spamming regrowth on focused target, when you are only hhealer in a specific group
clear pulsar
I'm just explaining why sotf is great
ruby walrus
so sotf is that good you think?
fervent gull
is dreambinder any good if im fae or should i just stick with boat?
clear pulsar
Thing is you're looking at resto and trying to accomplish something that it isn't good at @ruby walrus
I'm sure Tree has some use, like it's probably a fine talent against rogue mage in 2s or something
But ultimately SOTF lets you throw out 18k+ Regrowths every 15 seconds
It's insanity
Compared to a 3 min cd
Tree is a raid healing cd that lets you ramp some insane HPS with Rejuvs on everybody
Not a pvp thing really
lone plover
Any tips for Feral / Hunter (SV and MM are possible) against Warrior / Healer?
We get a bunch of their CDs and the opener (no Convoke used), but after that we can't get pressure, because the warrior sticks the hunter and our slows / roots are useless, because of pala-heal most of the time.
At that time I often have to fall back to heal (restro-aff.) and from there it goes down the rabbit hole -> lost.
What kind of Aff should I play? What could we do better, than: Open with CDs (Berserk, no Convoke) -> get Trinket / CDs from them -> try to reset (not possible, because warrior - hunter gets trained to the ground) -> next go not really possible, because no pressure.
acoustic nebula
Replace hunter with disc priest
lone plover
We win nearly all games against double-dps (go -> their CDs -> reset -> go 2 -> win)
But against healer / warrior it seems kinda ... an uphill-battle we lose nearly all the time.
clear pulsar
You need to maintain the chain CC from opener
Slap cyclones around
Idk it's just efficiency
vast vapor
have to cross cc with stuns on kill target
clear pulsar
Clone warrior low, throw Vortex down when your hunter's created some distance, etc
crude minnow
I saw a higher rates rdruid recommend tree for turbo cleave, but that's also a comp not necessarily recommended for rdruid
vast vapor
it might not matter at all what u do with turbo
loud badge
Thank you @vestal citrus
crude minnow
Turbo cleaves hard but also gets cleaved hard
fervent gull
did they reverted the change of voke breaking ccs in pvp?
clear pulsar
Root the warrior after opener so you can walk away and Clone healer off the trap, then Vortex warrior as root breaks or ends, Clone warrior low so healer can't heal, if you get trinkets and bop or bubble then you just keep running idk hold down B yfeel me?
lone plover
You need to maintain the chain CC from opener
we do that pretty good (still fail sometime, but its okay):
Trap -> Cyclone -> stun -> Cyclone 2 -> trap 2
Normally there the healer uses Trinket / in case of pally bubble
During that time the warrior has deff-stance, dbts and shout.
He just doesn't take dmg really.
Then the heal is out of CC, we have DRs
clear pulsar
Yeah shout's bit insane rn
ruby walrus
@clear pulsar Ty for detailed response, I think your right I was looking at it wrong
I specifically was trying to make R druid be able to top burst damage but Idt I can do that with that CD as well
You are for sure right
clear pulsar
Tree is only a 15% buff to Regrowth
It's really a Rejuv CD
Buffs Rejuv by like 75% and lowers mana cost
vast vapor
sounds great @vestal citrus , good change ion!
clear pulsar
It used to be better when Nourish replaced Regrowth
So you could spam Nourish instead and it would auto-add a hots that wasn't applied
fervent gull
not a clue, earlier it was overriding ccs but now is randomly ignoring them
idk whats happening
fervent gull
Moon said it ignores lasso
lasso?
clear pulsar
my voke completily ignored a zapped player on 3s
.
Is this not waht you meant!?
Idk what the fuck zapped means then
loud badge
From what I understand, convoke now ignores cloned players but does not ignore rooted or otherwise CCd players that will have the CC time shortened if they are damaged.
fervent gull
earlier i was rooting adn beaming and throwing voke
lone plover
Root the warrior after opener so you can walk away and Clone healer off the trap...
So against DD / Heal I should always go restro-aff? (Was playing around with bear, because of cc-shout > clone some games).
I mean we will kinda >70% against double DD, or Heal / X (if X is not warrior).
So I should try to root warrior more? I kinda stopped to try it and used insta-cast on hunter, because of ~50sec / 60 sec uptime of hand of freedom (sarcasticly speaking).
So for warrior it's: Cross-CC, try to root (Heal CC, no dispell), keep CC-Chain on heal. Hope, that the warrior takes some kind of meaningful dmg during CC-Chain on heal.
What spec should the hunter play: SV or MM? He is NF (because of PvE main-focus).
fervent gull
now its ignoring rooted players randomly
idk if its a code problem
i had a monk sapped right by me and not even one spell got him too
maybe its just voke randomly targeting too
lone plover
What soulbind should I play in 2v2 as feral / hunter? Niya or Butterfly?
hollow junco
In pvp convoke shouldn't hit sap since they're out of combat with you, unless something specifically changes that, right?
fervent gull
yeah could be that too
vast vapor
its very fucking broken if it only ignores clone now :D
clear pulsar
So against DD / Heal I should always go restro-aff? (Was playing around with bea...
Idk regrowth spam is pretty great healing, I don't think you need resto aff to offheal but it Vortex should be better if your issue is resetting against a warrior yeah
forest kite
Wait convoke broke?
lone plover
So, if we can manage to reset without vortex bear aff > restroaff?
I'm always torn between these two.
clear pulsar
I would default to resto aff if I'm playing double dps
forest kite
Panic reroll necro time? Convoke ded?
clear pulsar
You can't facetank damage at all, sitting bear and FRing isn't great if you're taking hits anyway. Idk tho.,
clear pulsar
Panic reroll necro time? Convoke ded?
Necro feral is not it bro
Unfortunately
It's pretty weak
Kyrian is the way
lone plover
You can't facetank damage at all, sitting bear and FRing isn't great if you're t...
True. I'm also feeling better with restro-aff. Soulshape / run around corner: regrowth -> SM -> full. Restealh and go again.
I will still stick with bear-aff against mage / rogue, because they seem to alway open an me and double FR (conduit + bear-aff) is nice against that.
surreal loom
Yeah I really wanna go kyrian again
clear pulsar
Yeah they annihilated Convoke without even nerfing the spell per se
Clever
Fucking assholes
vague mural
is 25 the renown cap? bc i got a renown level from the world boss when i was already 21 before reset, and still have to turn in the 2 weekly renowns + the story line quest
clear pulsar
But people were bugged ahead in the Bolvar quests too so
Yeah 25 should be nasty for Night Fae
idle ingot
wait, what happened to convoke?
ah
looks like the top boomys on the ladder are running time worn dream binder
is it better than boat?
do you go time worn if you are kyrian?
ty
gonna swap kyrian eventually but im still clapping teams with convoke at 2300 mmr lol
unique cairn
i just get permalocked when i try that, unless its a stupid team that havent found out about convoke yet 😛
primal bane
what the fuck man i finally got gifted a sub and its somehow for a 50 viewer german stream
loud badge
So the honor PvP gear in Oribos - can not be upgraded EVER past ilvl 197; is that correct?
unique cairn
yeah prolly
primal bane
yes black
unique cairn
thats why the conquest one 😄
forest kite
@clear pulsar nah I'm staying night fae, and I only sorta think about playing feral. I'm a Resto main.
primal bane
imagine they nerf convoke
unique cairn
@idle ingot how do u get 2 meles from not permatraining only u as boomy? 😄
primal bane
and boomies just switch to the BETTER covenant
that would make a good laugh for people who think boomie is op
idle ingot
i love when they train me
i usually play wizard
love when they train me and not ele/mage
unique cairn
al i get to do is sit bear literaly the entire time till i die 😛
fervent gull
Yeah they annihilated Convoke without even nerfing the spell per se
not sure bout this tbh, just gotta play around it and look for other combos
idle ingot
nah, create space. slow damage, and when heals are caught up go back to doing damage
unique cairn
maby i just have had bad partners 😛 they permafocus me till i have nothing left and i die then they go for my heal partner
idle ingot
incap roar+clone is a good combo to stop damage
unique cairn
i usualy have healer that dont do anything but heal tho, last one didnt use a single cc through like 6 matches 😛
idle ingot
just keep one dps on clone dr at all times
if you need to slow
you can also root
typhoon on z axis
primal bane
be pickier on teh healers then dont choose any street mug that applies
idle ingot
yea, gotta get good btags through lfg
primal bane
even if your teammate leaves bc u cant form a team fast enough fuck them
unique cairn
when i do arena it feels kinda like im solo, but have heals passivly 😛
primal bane
better to rank up than to play quickly for 1 pump and leave pug
inner yarrow
Is anyone aware of any good guardian rbg sources, i'm finding myself being stuck at 1500 and want to try and improve.
fervent gull
has anyone seen a fae playing dreambinder?
vast vapor
yes
unique cairn
i kinda envy those that have partners that do actual dmg also 😛 had one arena where the healer did literaly 0 mdg 😛
inner yarrow
i've been getting mainly flag maps this week. I'm also not sure if Boomie works in RBG without NF covenant.
ruby walrus
@clear pulsar Sorry im late on responding but regrowth is also instant cast with tree form, I think you right that soul is better but like instant GCD 15% inc regrowth spam could be valuable to keep up FC's right? Or like am I just overthinking it?
I think im misunderstanding the purpose of regrowth in that scenario
clear pulsar
Idk I don't think it's better than SOTF at healing the FC, and I don't think it's better than SOTF at healing teamfight either
But I don't play resto in rbgs like ever
Only 2s really
ruby walrus
ahhh okay that makes sense then
Im gonna go try and stalk Datacus and send him a mg on a like lvl 1 alt to see what he is doing lol
clear pulsar
Yeah good call
primal bane
cani make omnicc show the tooltip of the cooldown when i scroll over it
yeah gotta keep it unlocked tho
forest kite
If I'm maining resto but also play feral and bear, mostly in pve.... Do I wanna go Staff for my weapons or 1h/offhand?
Haste is BIS for resto, Mastery is very good, Mastery is BIS for feral and bear
Wait
I'm a fucking idiot
int vs agi
Nevermind
bitter harness
vast vapor
dualwield melee druid sounds good
forest kite
I got a 223 staff sitting in my vault, available... But I was going to grab a 213 staff this week with the 1600 rating I have on my druid. The 223 staff doesn't have any vers, though.
I will probably hit 1800 this week, though... But if I don't would 10 ilvls be worth an 84 vers loss?
vast vapor
ilvl is better on wep
forest kite
Cause of the bulk main stat yeah?
forest kite
Yeah 226 probably not in the cards any time soon, 220 I don't think I'll have a problem with
vast vapor
its basicly 1800 conquests saved for u then
forest kite
Yeah, I can fill out other non-vers slots with 213 gear which actually ups my overall ilvl a lot
mild thunder
is boomy any good for 2s or is feral far better?
forest kite
And I'm healing so the main weapon isn't a GIGANTIC deal
vast vapor
check-pvp.fr kinda
summer oasis
@mild thunder feral is far better, but boomy is playable if your goal isn't r1
blissful belfry
Hey guys, I tested out and convoke doesnt hit mass root bneam
forest kite
blissful belfry
wtf is blizzard doing
winter spindle
So apparently the convoke change got reverted and now it won’t hit rooted targets OR cyclone targets?
Convoke buff
Double boomy meta
blissful belfry
I tried twice in arena and didnt work, went duel and it still didnt work in controlled area
Convoke doesnt hit the rootbeamed target
Is blizzard reet
tardy hare
Inb4 you're eu and the changes aren't even live yet
blissful belfry
im na, cmon
patent cradle
devout frost
analog granite
hey guys im trying to learn to get good as pvp feral can someone point me towards some good guides?
rigid linden
fleet raptor
If you play feral affin rdruid, Does 15 Agi to boots work?
blissful belfry
If it makes YOU feel cooler, then its a straight upgrade
His only upgrade left appears to be a ring 213. sitting at 227
blissful belfry
Dont ask them, they clearly dont know
topaz spruce
O shoot that one guy was right they reverted the change
Convoke ignoring root beam again and also not hitting sap blind
livid heart
Just los it🙃
rain carbon
reported
junior plover
Where can I check high rating spec popularity
Someone linked a cool site the other day
google doesnt like it too much it seems
inner yarrow
Can boomie work in pvp without NF?
thorny venture
rip, lost a AB by 10 cause we fell apart at the end
and for whatever reason, lead kept asking the boomkin to solo defend a flag
Whatever
thorny venture
I am not great at 1v1, I do best when I can be around others and just pump damage.
I lost to a rogue and a monk back to back, second time no one came to help
forest kite
Ok so convoke is now back to hitttings totems in arena...
they are slowly killing it .
thorny venture
I'm probably just bad but games I defend, I lose, games I'm with the push, I win.
forest kite
and it's a good thing 😄
topaz spruce
they are slowly killing it .
looks like they reverted the change, root beam still ignored now and so is sap/blind etc
which makes sense considering pve would've been a shitshow (ie huntsman)
forest kite
every change reverted , even the totem one
sharp cape
meh
forest kite
broken for pve if it hit CC target ( it's crap ) , and broken in pvp if u can convoke root/Beam ppl ( ppl can't react for like 2-3 sec to convoc )
don't know who got this idea .
😄
clear pulsar
broken for pve if it hit CC target ( it's crap ) , and broken in pvp if u can co...
Also kills it for feral in pvp if it breaks trap/poly
Cuz you can't really funnel by positioning out of los like a boomie
Being in melee range
forest kite
yeah anyway this idea was i don't know , sometime , dev smoke too much
clear pulsar
It's so simple to fix the one shots tho like
forest kite
the quickest revert of history
clear pulsar
Just frontload the 6 generic spells to be first always
So first 1.5s of Convoke is always just Moonfire and heals
And backload the damage
So people ahve time to react
It's very straightforward I swear
And that doesn't kill the spell
While keeping it in check
sly marsh
wait so they reverted the change? it does or does not hit CCed targets now?
clear pulsar
It's back to working like last week apparently
Doesn't hit breakable CC, hits Cyclone
forest kite
the best thing would be 16 generic spell , always the same depending of your form
clear pulsar
Wut
forest kite
and simply nerf it's damage from pvp
sly marsh
that would be boring
forest kite
Rng is funny ?
clear pulsar
Tbh I don't even understand what you're saying
sharp cape
yes
sly marsh
16 wraths lol no thanks
clear pulsar
That it's always the same SET of spells!?
clear pulsar
Like always 7 wraths 3 surges
sharp cape
16 wraths would be snoozefest , insta respec to kyrian 😄
compact crest
am i trippin or does incarn not put you in moonkin form anymore
is this a stealth nurf
clear pulsar
Incarn does, CA does not @compact crest
sharp cape
btw, how does feral convoke work with a polyed target next to you?
do you spam random aoe to break it
clear pulsar
It can still cast Thrash yeah
sharp cape
yegh
forest kite
like i don't know , 4 wrath , 1 moonfire , 1 sunfire , 1 trash , 1 rejuv , 1 regrowht ,3 starfire 3 surges , 1 full moon in this order ( just an exemple )
clear pulsar
Yeah that's what I'm suggesting but less strict @forest kite
The generic spells like moonfire, rake, rejuv etc always first
6 of them
1.5 second of that
Then damage on the back half
forest kite
yeah
still , in many situation it's an idiot spell , i know it's a very poor spell at high CR ( myself Convoc don't bother me at all it's countered 99% of the time )
sharp cape
you could also make a progressively increasing chance to get goodies on each non-goodie, while keeping estimated value at the same
forest kite
but i also know , for casual/random ppl , low/mid CR this spell is a pain
there is a lot more ppl between 1400-1800
than ppl at 2K4+
clear pulsar
you could also make a progressively increasing chance to get goodies on each non...
The spell selection isn't as random as people think, it's pretty consistent, the issue is only the order of them.
You don't have to change how it picks spells
junior plover
But convoke is literally fine tho
junior plover
Boomie is heavily underplayed
junior plover
But TO BE FAIR
clear pulsar
When Convoke kills you 100-0 in 0.3s it IS problematic
clear pulsar
It doesn't make Boomie OP because it's unreliable af
But it is a problem
Bro it's like you are just jumping in the conversation without reading anything
Ok whatever
Cya guys
forest kite
Convoc is a trash spell , when you play it , you wanna swap kyrian instantly because even if u setup the thing properly and full convoc every single game , you feel like the game is trolling you
junior plover
Run 10 million sims, average out the damage, make the convoke follow that average
ez fix
Boomies happy
non Boomies happy
forest kite
BUT ! sometime they setup their convoc properly , and you're getting instantly deleted
clear pulsar
Yeah I hate playing Convoke but it's so much better than any other covenant in any PVE
forest kite
it's frustrating
sharp cape
it was kinda sad though, just today we played against a boomie, interrupted convoke in under a second and still died :<
clear pulsar
It's insane how trash the other covenants are in pve
forest kite
yeah in pve , the spell is fun/strong
paper solar
is there a weakaura or other add on that alerts for incoming spells?
forest kite
but dude , it's not hard to apply a -50% damage on a spell in pvp anyway xD
clear pulsar
That would kill the covenant
It'd be worthless
They won't do that
And they shouldn't
forest kite
the problem is , they should let us change our convenant as we want
sly marsh
@paper solar gladiatorlossa for audio cues. controversial, but i like it.
chrome panther
you could just
forest kite
i don't understand the point to make 4 convenant
forest kite
and be able to only enjoy one .
junior plover
disable covenants in rated pvp 🙂
Boring
fickle junco
no, give everyone all the covs in rated
junior plover
no, give everyone all the covs in rated
chrome panther
disable covenants above 2.4k
clear pulsar
Lmao
chrome panther
if your below that, whatever your trash anyways
clear pulsar
Ok bro
chrome panther
🙂
sharp cape
but muh ret needs its ding dong bell burst :<
clear pulsar
no, give everyone all the covs in rated
Yeah give everyone 30% stun reduc + cheat death + cc immune for 4s at the same time
fickle junco
8 new abilites. but they share cds >BD
clear pulsar
junior plover
I feel for you guys because I've been fucked by cat convoke rolling low a bunch of times but its still pretty fucking reliable and feels great to play
forest kite
@clear pulsar we have new troll in the show damn 😦
chrome panther
ret gets enough burst without divine toll as it is
junior plover
Can't believe boomies hate convoke and non boomies hate boomie convoke
what a sad spell
clear pulsar
I feel for you guys because I've been fucked by cat convoke rolling low a bunch ...
I literally got a full cast on a rdru out of bear form in a stun and didn't kill
sharp cape
no such thing as enough burst.
junior plover
Well Honed Instincts
clear pulsar
Convoke is ridiculous
junior plover
Cats love convoke
clear pulsar
I hate that Necro is useless
junior plover
But it isnt even the best pvp covenant for us
so w/e
it's really fun to punish mistakes with tho
fickle junco
Give feral 100% haste and 100% crit. and 500% more energy. perma convoke. 
clear pulsar
forest kite
@junior plover or you can kill a pet instead punish a mistake
junior plover
Give feral 100% haste and 100% crit. and 500% more energy. perma convoke. <:catf...
Yeah the pet thing is not great ngl
But you learn to play around it as kitty
since you only hit melee range
clear pulsar
I killed at least 4 healers today on a skull bash
junior plover
boomie doesnt have such options
clear pulsar
Lock Shadow Mend disc can't stop Convoke
clear pulsar
Lock Hex rsham can't stop convoke
forest kite
boomie is : press it , troll them hard or get trolled
junior plover
Throw cyclone at shaman
clear pulsar
Lock Rep hpal can't bubble
fickle junco
hmmm write that down
thorny venture
So I'm really enjoying Heirmir in pvp haha
junior plover
The only thing i still have yet to figure out is warr pala
warr is immune to melee for like 90% of the game
thorny venture
Once my teammates figure out you can't heal it
clear pulsar
If you kick a priest in shadow they can't stop, kick a sham in nature they can't stop, kick a lock in shadow they can't stop, kick a mage in Arcane, they can't stop or blink away @fickle junco
junior plover
pala has 12 bubbles
clear pulsar
So I'm really enjoying Heirmir in pvp haha
Just wait until the Venthyr people start playing their 3rd covenant that explodes for 100% of max hp when they die as both healing and damage
35k aoe dam + 35k heal
sinful nova
forest kite
vers mast for NF boomy pvp, vers haste for kyrian boomy pvp
vers haste always u mean.
forest kite
oh shit i read fake news then
fickle junco
clear pulsar
Mastery is fine
I mean you have to get a bit of both anyway
Cuz vendor gear doesnt have haste vers on every slot
forest kite
fact is : you have enought mastery from kyrian/NF when u burst
clear pulsar
Faster casts = good stuff
forest kite
you wanna haste outside of burst , the life is easier ( cast clone faster , cast healing faster , cast spell faster , grow AP faster , Quicker gcd ..... )
stiff reef
Can you really get enough haste for it to matter
junior plover
The "you wont have enough haste for it to matter" is always kinda weird to me
harsh jasper
So whats pretty good now for 2s and 3s
junior plover
it always matters
harsh jasper
seems like Prot pally in 2s is doing well
junior plover
you get to cast cc faster
forest kite
this , it always matter.