u take feral affinity most of the time
#pvp
stone nest
Only time I take guardian is if it’s 2 dps that can’t heal much. Just let my dps do the work and take the safe w.
finite turret
Ah, okay then I will save my soul ash I guess and keep pumping verdant 🙂
stone nest
I crafted oath the first week and I use it less and less. Pretty much just kept me alive when sub rogues were crazy.
finite turret
How did it help you against rogues?
devout frost
🤷
finite turret
in guardian you mean for extra reduction
and 2 frenzied ?
@devout frost you exclusively use verdant or you swap around depending on opponents?
devout frost
verdant
stone nest
It helped with rogues cause it’s 10% less damage taken when in guardian and the double frenzy regen
But now it’s kinda meh
clear pulsar
You'll proc it randomly from moving around the map and kiting with cat form too.
finite turret
You'll proc it randomly from moving around the map and kiting with cat form too.
hmm thats correct every time i restealth I will have to insta jump someone
clear pulsar
It helped with rogues cause it’s 10% less damage taken when in guardian and the ...
It's really a 6% extra DR
Natural orders will >>>>
GIGA legendary
devout frost
go bed dumbass @clear pulsar
clear pulsar
Swear on it
devout frost
fervent gull
whats the break point for ilvl>vers?
devout frost
whats the break point for ilvl>vers?
check with EHP wa
clear pulsar
I linked one earlier
Like wago/effectivehp or smth the link
Search it here this channel
Yeah
Works for me
You big are
Remove an item
Oh yeah I dont have pve gear
Yea I had to find one bro
Stupid ass question tbh
It updates with buffs and shit I was looking at my EHP with barkskin leggo
It was like 95k with barkskin to 170k with the leggo
Physical EHP
LEDGE
fervent gull
check with EHP wa
what does it does exactly? first time i see it
pallid coral
tells you how much ehp you have
fervent gull
if only i knew what ehp is
clear pulsar
It's calculating how much raw damage you can take
So if you have like 35k hp and your damage reductions are 40% from armor, 20% from barkskin, 15% from versa, your EHP will be 35 / 0.6 / 0.8 / 0.85 = 85.78k
fervent gull
so theres a top dr and from that point i can stop going vers?
fervent gull
So if the ehp is higer with the item ive got, then thats what im choosing correct?
Both phys and magic
clear pulsar
Also the DR cap is 200% vers
Or 8000 stat
You won't hit a vers cap
On the defensive component
clear pulsar
So if the ehp is higer with the item ive got, then thats what im choosing correc...
Yes that's the idea
fervent gull
Ty!
tiny oar
Wish I had a big brain like f2f dude
God gave me 3 brain cells and I lost 1 of em in bfa already 
tiny oar
clear pulsar
I only had 3 inches and my last gf bit off 1 of em already too
The rich get richer the poor get poorer
hasty dome
Oof, got a biter
tiny oar
It do be like that sometimes
obtuse ice
👀
disgusting
clear pulsar
I'm on
Yeah
I legit did nothing on the character since I xferd
Except like 2 rbgs
Thank fuck
Bro I'm watching talent the br spriest and he's playing with this former HOTS pro, guy's got the biggest ego I've ever seen and it's so out of line with him as a person and as a player
800 games sub 2k cr
Typhex
Talent's a normal dude it's nice
He has like, a sense of humor
It's a change of pace from some of the other brs
Josef also great dude
He used to stream himself doing his projects yeah I was about to type
Me neither
100%
tiny oar
Love our boi josef
clear pulsar
There wasn't any latin america wow tourneys last year even
Or uh last season
No copa america at all
tiny oar
Cant u guys just compete as NA or nah
clear pulsar
Yeah I think bulest and vigar are signed up for the NA cups
Talent may be too on same team!?
Idk
soft arrow
did they ninja patch full moon from convoke in arenas
clear pulsar
Why do you say that?
soft arrow
ive spammed ~15 2s recently and have been getting convoke off in most of them and havent seen a moon drop yet
tiny oar
Yea fun times
soft arrow
i swear tho before today it was more often
plus in those games we were up against balance druids and didnt see any full moons from them either
prob
tiny oar
Died to half a convoke the other day thru trinket OG BM skin cuz the guy just slapped a 27k moon on my dick
So defo still happens
stone nest
Sometimes I can 1 shot plate classes. Sometime I can’t hurt a clothie. It is what it is
surreal heron
rng is rng
spare kernel
So do resto druid want to use the staff or the main hand and off hand from the pvp vendor?
stone nest
I think both have the same stat total
But the staff is haste. Idk about the one handers
Oh big no from me
tiny oar
Ye I got the vers mast 1h week 1 and the staff last week
Druid is 20 haste 23 vers now p nice
clear pulsar
Wrong chat
tiny oar
Yea mastery 7 atm kinda low would like at least 10 probs
alpine elbow
So i think ive been PVPing wrong as a moonkin. My convoke was always getting instantly counterd. Turns out i should just use it from stealth as a kitty. I still do 30k damge, even though im balance spec. With resto affinity.
clear pulsar
I decided to do this twisted corridors layer as boomie and I'm in floor 6 still no full moon proc power
Gonna just go to bed
Shit game
clear pulsar
So i think ive been PVPing wrong as a moonkin. My convoke was always getting ins...
Convoke isn't any more or less stoppable in cat form than it is in moonkin form
queen copper
Especially in melee as cat o.0
clear pulsar
If anything being in melee range leaves you more vulnerable
To getting stopped
By melee range stops
alpine elbow
ya buts when my partner stuns one, its less cooldowns to pop up and use it
globals* i mean
compact crest
how much honor do u get from LOSING an rbg?
primal bane
what spot does faerie swarm take when u need it
thats hard
so when do u choose u need thorns more than swarm
since theyre both melee techs
aite then
what about ww or pally?
they both have bursty melee cds
nah im ditching thorns
i just want to know if i can stop a ww perma-bursting a target with swarm
actually can u even disarm fists and kicks?
wind lily
So been playing convoke boomkin even if it fails or interrupts Boomie hammers. Great times. It’s soo fun with 2 of us.
burnt swan
any tips for a resto druid against rogues? my buddy is struggling against any rogue team
drifting urchin
Does disarm even do anything to monks? I was told it does not
crude minnow
they cant cast fof when disarmed.
forest kite
Is S broken
undone egret
do yall know if the guardian barkskin leggo works for balance druid FC's with guardian affinity?
surreal heron
it works, but i'm pretty sure legacy would be the better option
undone egret
oh sweet never even looked into legacy, that immune to CC part is pretty OP for FC
and it's foot slot so i can swap 1 for 1 with BOAT
nice, you'd take legacy for balance FC role?
surreal heron
oh, i'm not sure about balance as FC
undone egret
as guardian you'd take legacy still over the barkskin one?
surreal heron
yes
undone egret
a lot of highish teams are specially asking for balance FC's now for whatever reason (2-2.2k MMR), i have minimal experience doing it so trying to learn
normally just do the normal boomie blowup EFC's in a couple globals thing lol
undone egret
ahh when they say want boomie FC they mean if it's a flag map we're supposed to switch to guardian lol, such a noob. Do I have to queue as tank and dps to get to swap in prep room?
or can anyone swap in prep room?
and best option is if they ask me to FC i swap to guardian and use legacy then
fresh estuary
Hello fellow druids, i copied the macro for nature's cure from skill capped, but when I click it, nothing happens. Any thoughts why?
#showtooltip /cast [target=party1] Nature’s Cure
fresh estuary
@vestal citrus I have the same macro for party 1 and 2 and when I queue 2s with my buddy, noone of these works. So maybe I have to make one with his name better
@drifting urchin will do that to double check
Cool thanks a lot guys, will check and come back👍
undone egret
the main difference between Legacy vs Natural Order for FC, Legacy is a bigger CD vs Natural Order gives us a stronger mini CD between each Bezerk? If going Natural order we'd take it with survival of the fittest so we can use it frequently?
lone zenith
May I ask how is resto druid doing in pvp? I read that they are bad and that makes me demotivated to keep gearing one
patent idol
What do you think about
bloodtalons vs feral frenzy in arenas
i see some ferals in gladiator playing with both
is there really that big of a difference or its a personal choice i tried both
seeems like bloodtalons give u bigger FBs
stray sigil
patent idol
but that juicy 30% ferocious bite
with sabertooth and soul of forest
combined with a good convoke i can do 20k ferocious bites 😄
neat elbow
So I usually play boomy but with the requirement of being able to Guardian//flag run, what is the usual strat in twin peaks for instance? Do you stick with the group or just swim ahead of everyone and let them catch up? Or does that make you susceptible to ganks
patent idol
Just do no brain damg
you mean it does low dmg?
queen copper
So I usually play boomy but with the requirement of being able to Guardian//flag...
You don’t want to be alone if you don’t know where the enemy team is
stable halo
How do you guys deal with WW pressure in PvP?? Looks like they don't give af about anything
forest kite
If I want to grind my heart out and hit glad this season, should I be balance or feral?
dusky musk
Hello people. Anyone has any suggestion about pvp balance druid stream?
thank you mate
forest kite
Yea I feel like I have a long way to go but this is the season I want to do it
I think I have to switch to kyrian for balance
how do I get my convoke to not blast into a clone or the healer I root beamed when the kill target is like 15 yards closer than they are
tardy hare
Convokr doesnt hit rooted targets ever
daring sparrow
Do you think Verdant is a better legendary than Draught of the Deep Focus in 2v2 as Resto Druid?
I feel like Healers need to asssist dps a lot in 2v2 to get the kill.
forest kite
but clones
tardy hare
Unfortunate
lilac plank
Just seen that Swapxy is banned for life because of "racism"
forest kite
I've witnessed both, maybe they just had roots break when it hit them but it looks a lot like I root beamed, convoked, then it blasted them out of it
lilac plank
This world is going downhill
forest kite
gotcha
winter wharf
hey any tips for RBG with boomkins?
short sapphire
Aoe and make things go boom
edgy shale
here's a tip: use starsurge not stafall
kindred galleon
forest kite
Is boomy op ?
ionic temple
Yes
forest moss
yeah it's good in pvp
forest kite
@forest kite I like to Try to LoS the enemies I’m not trying to hit with convoke. My best convokes are when we force the off target to trinket and then I root beam that guy. Then I Los the other person that I’m not killing and convoke
lime light
i would easly say
boomkin is best caster i nthe game
but hold up
there is a fire magus
lmao
i dont think so
there is a single caster
that can be compared
to fire mage
rn
wind delta
Hey guys, i am kinda new to boomie pvp (and pvp in general). PvE Main, so i am NF. 🙂 Tryin to get better and dont get hardstuck at 1k9. Was wondering why some boomies play Elunes Fury in 2s/3s? To get pressure outside of convoke?
edgy shale
ppl were saying fire mage was bad in beta...why do i always forget to ignore what ppl say on there
lime light
cuz they made some changes
even without combust
fire does insane dmg
like every kidney
he keeps 3x fireblast
every fb is around 4-5k
and pyro
is good enough
wind delta
ah ok, makes sense, so never play solstice with dreambinder? Or is solstice the go to for noobs like me?
remote zealot
Hello guys! First time playing WoW and I loved druids. Which spec should I use to pvp?
I have this week mission to won 10 skirmish arenas
to win
lime light
any, but not guardian
remote zealot
u guys have any guide? or vid ?
i have tried feral on battlegrounds
but isn't count for arena skirmsh i think
wind delta
Ok, cool.- And what about Incarn vs. Starlord? 🙂 Incarn with Boat and starlord with dreambinder?
haha guess i never go for any guides I find online and just ask you guys 😄
Thanks tho 🙂
drifting raft
What covenant is good for pvp resto?
tepid spoke
Why do some top moonkins use swiftmend lego
fierce atlas
Offhealing
lime light
no
most of them are resto
just boomkins in wpvp
i got your back @vestal citrus dont worry about it
i got it
tiny oar
Ty expert tian
lime light
Thank u
)
@vestal citrus why soul rot is soo good for affi
thanks for your services
lilac plank
which covenant we take for arena?resto druid
weak hinge
necrolord
lilac plank
rly?
wouldnt expected it tbh
it seemed that night fae extra mobility
is handy in arenas
but i have no reason not to trust you
thanks
ehm if you dont mind me asking
how are we supposed to pull of the cast of 4 seconds in arena?
fleshcraft looks great but ch time is so long
weak hinge
necrolords class ability is the thing why resto likes it
increased hot heal and great synergy with legendary
fast vale
Convoke in kitty ?
sterile vessel
anyone else's vicious saddle bar refusing to fill?
got like 15 wins so far after getting spider and bar's still 0
bug as in we actually dont progress or it just doesnt show?
clear pulsar
it seemed that night fae extra mobility
It's not as impressive as it sounds. It's good and nice but as a resto druid, Soulshape doesn't really allow you to kite any specs that you can't kite without.
Like windwalker
You can kite pretty much everything else without Soulshape
Most notable for Necrolord is that Adaptive Swarm gets extended by Verdant Infusion, and also buffs the direct healing of Regrowth even tho it 'shouldn't' according to the way it works.
fast vale
Necro seems so much better for resto than NF.. but gimps ability to play balance so much. Sucks if you want to play both specs in pvp
tiny oar
yea send the fucking dmgur
weak hinge
if you're pveing at all you'll be nightfae anyway...
hushed bluff
I thought it had a set rotation
weak hinge
nope its random
edgy shale
its a set rotation in that it will be all (8)? after 4 weeks but its random within that, right?
bitter harness
its 6 wings i think not 8
edgy shale
ya 6, so every 3 weeks then
clear pulsar
Yeah that still means one wing may be open on week 1 and then on week 3 of the 2nd cycle, so a 4 weeks gap
fast vale
Rather be useless at both 😂😂 playing 3s with RL friends and one is healer so I’m boomie for that
livid wasp
sucks how youre forced to go nf if you pve
pliant abyss
anyone using new moon in pvp?
tiny oar
@clear pulsar does swarm effect apply retroactively like if i FF then swarm itll benefit or need to cast it before frenzy?
lime light
only thing that snap shot is bt and tf kid
clear pulsar
It should yeah
tiny oar
ty boyos
clear pulsar
Bro I'm in floor 12 and not a single convoke power
tiny oar
lol i just got 3 root dmg powers just rooting elites and hey die in 10seconds like wtf never got this build before
need to respec mass entangle n everything will fucking die instantly
no convoke dmg is real sad tho
clear pulsar
Are you doing regular torg?
tiny oar
yea i aint got the twisted shit unlocked havent played my druid in a week lol
forest kite
i would easly say
fire mage > sp=boomy=ele > get rekt warlock
bitter harness
torghast was so easy as resto w/ feral affinity
and then on the last boss of layer 8 TC I got a 90sec immunity
free win
forest kite
but torghast is always so easy since the nerf :/ with any spec
clear pulsar
I deadass have no convoke inc damage powers at floor 15 bro @tiny oar
tiny oar
jesus bro thats sum bad rng lol
forest kite
affli is crap , and ask way more than any other caster to be competitive right now , + the aura from pal are a direct counter to warlock , and pal are everywhere
just look at very high rating warlock game , they just have to do everything perfect and have an perfect assist from their mate , and win a lot of game with some dampening , then look at other , doing 15 mistake per game and still one shot someone at 1.30 min . 😄
just saw yesterday two shadowplay , not even reseting a single time at 2.9 mmr , not winning before 75% dampening T_T
i would like for them an nice buff , and this annoying legendary nerfed to the ground , to don't see it again .
forest kite
i'm not , and every single warlock player think that , even if it's viable right now with a lot of work , only their overtuned legendary make them viable right now
frail ember
@tiny oar mass entangle does alot less dmg than regular with that power
pallid coral
Nope you're actually insanely wrong and it's a Keller's
Kekkers
Affliction is nuts right now
forest kite
then go play warlock
lime light
they are pretty good, and i think they are in good state
forest kite
myself i've one . i'm watching like 4-5h everyday stream from top warlock player , and yeah everyone think that , the legendary is nuts
lime light
like kiting - survi
forest kite
and warlock play around .
lime light
not super tanky, they have to kite or they gonna die
forest kite
such a good class design
lime light
and they will scale insanly well
- the biggest counters to it
like magus, or other melees
will get nerfed
forest kite
i think you don't understand what i'm trying to say , ofc if there is lock in the top right now they work
but they work playing around a single legendary
pallid coral
Please stop being stupid and just go collect your free rating for playing warlock
:)
tiny oar
@clear pulsar final boss dmg breakdown 
forest kite
yeah , free rating for playing lock for sure 😄
lime light
the @pallid coral will do
lime light
monkaS
tiny oar
yikes dude
forest kite
Damn these ppl who know nothing , they saw lot of rot damage on recount and are like " OMG WARLOCK IS BROKEN " , now look at these dot tic for 500 damage doing jack shit , and the ridiculous burst from malefic embrace at 5K once you have a pal against you 😄 . Go play warlock , put x3 the effort of any caster in every single game , to just lame like a deadman around a legendary waiting for 60% dampening
but yeah , warlock are fine , their class design is totaly fine .
bitter harness
clear pulsar
And filter out the only rating cutoff that would make feral look like it has better representation than boomie
clear pulsar
You're a clown and a half bro
forest kite
we are in a pvp chat
edgy shale
mine is 81
forest kite
what's your rating ?
clear pulsar
I'm around 2.1 rn
edgy shale
oh pvp? 563 in 3s but im 901 in RBGs
forest kite
because lot of ppl are saying shit , arguing on many thing but playing at 2K max
and don't even know what happen higher 😄
edgy shale
hit 1300 in 2s today very happy
forest kite
yeah so , how do you know what is free rating
tardy hare
Locks hella fine
forest kite
if you are all slacking at 2.1 or lower ? tell me
tardy hare
Even in 2s lock doing plenty of work
pallid coral
Locks insane
forest kite
for information , if you slack a 2.1 or lower , you are not playing well , and you don't meet any good player
pallid coral
It's the 2nd best caster
forest kite
- nobody care about 2s .
tardy hare
Thats why i say
pallid coral
Like mage is clearly busted
pallid coral
But warlock is insane too
edgy shale
i thought spriest was #2
pallid coral
Xd
forest kite
it's a pressure only for garbage ppl
edgy shale
I have seen a lot of people say that aff relies too much on the broken corruption legendary
pallid coral
Please stop being a stupid fuck
forest kite
yeah
pallid coral
And go to warlock discord or something
forest kite
affli relies on the broken legendary that all
pallid coral
It's just their best legendary
pallid coral
That's like saying feral relies on symmetry
forest kite
simple to understand
pallid coral
Big brain
clear pulsar
Guilty aren't you an m+ main anyway?
edgy shale
ehh, i dont think the lock #2 is even close to the feral #2 but thats really just semantics at that point
forest kite
don't worry
clear pulsar
That boss splits @tiny oar
forest kite
they are or trolling
clear pulsar
NO CONVOKE POWERS BROOOOO
forest kite
or stupid
bitter harness
big pad dmg
tiny oar
ya big pad
tiny oar
there was like 3 or 4 adds
tiny oar
thats a rank 1 torghast necro feral parse tho for sure
pallid coral
@clear pulsar lmao
tiny oar
ya was talking about my powers but u too lol
tiny oar
yea necro ff actually does good dmg lol its kinda nice
wondering if i should play LI instead of SBT for single target tho
edgy shale
"necro feral is the truth" "where are my convoke powers" bruuuh pick a side
clear pulsar
"necro feral is the truth" "where are my convoke powers" bruuuh pick a side
I have 2 druids ok?
Soon to be 3
edgy shale
clear pulsar
tiny oar
wish i had 3 druids
surreal heron
level more
tiny oar
HAHAHA how'd u know
lime light
i know everything
tardy hare
trihard
clear pulsar
Fem troll is bis tbh
tiny oar
clear pulsar
Ledge and dairy
lime light
i know
tiny oar
yea female nelf is 1000x bis more than any other druid race just aesthetically
lime light
monkaS
tiny oar
but not much of a contest when u got shit like tauren
tiny oar
yea that would b cool
tiny oar
still want vulpera druid just for the memes tho
bitter harness
at what CR?
bitter harness
ah
bitter harness
im capped
tardy hare
bad excuse
bitter harness
trying to get these last 3-4 wins for 2.1k
tardy hare
trihard
tiny oar
imagine u die to a female vulpera druid named yiffcitybitch and they shift out of form and its just a fox wearing the blixxcon fursuit ultimate BM @clear pulsar
tiny oar
guess i go feral lootspec for box next week like jesus fuk already got 3 int weapons lol
bitter harness
nocturne birch
which spec should I play with a frost DK in 2v2?
lime light
resto
nocturne birch
Tried resto and moonkin but we have difficulty to go above 1300, still learning and we have low versa, but would like to know on which spec to focus, I'd like to try feral too once I ve weapon
nocturne birch
😄
nocturne birch
yeah play better will help a lot
nocturne birch
as resto, is verdant infusion the only legendary to consider?
clear pulsar
You can climb with any legendary
Verdant infusion nasterino
Other options for more dam should be fine
nocturne birch
like circle ?
clear pulsar
Yeah circle makes life a bit weird but it's good
I mean just run verdant infusion tho tbh
devout frost
drought if u dont wanna oom for dps
clear pulsar
You do more dmg if you need less globals maintaining rejuv and lifebloom
nocturne birch
yeah, but if hots heal faster I need to cast less regroth I guess
patent dove
Our hots are shit anyways and you‘ll be casting regrowth no matter what. Verdant saves a ton of gcds that you can spend on cc
nocturne birch
yeah, it looks pretty good too
clear pulsar
And less maintenance = more restealths
nocturne birch
I guess I will go for verdant first
sterile vessel
any1 else not getting progress on vicious saddle after getting spider mount?
nocturne birch
when should I change pve gear without versa for pvp gear? I ve seen people talking about 20 ilvl difference, isn't that too much?
tiny oar
"sinful gladiator's spear"
lol nice spear bro
devout frost
when should I change pve gear without versa for pvp gear? I ve seen people talki...
check with ehp wa
usually u dont want to downgrade more than 10ilvl
rancid sundial
any1 else not getting progress on vicious saddle after getting spider mount?
I'm not
guys I have arena 123 bash, clone, rootbeam and can chain cc on gos. How to not be bad?
need druid school
rancid sundial
oh shit, kk thx
clear pulsar
Press spell do heal and big dam win games
rancid sundial
rancid sundial
how do you tell if it's you that's badbadbad or if it's the people you play with?
inb4 "if you have to ask...."
clear pulsar
Both
No point trying to find the fault in others
Just play gud and if you're unhappy with ur partners improvement or attitude, find new ones
rancid sundial
true
tiny oar
big mood
rancid sundial
writes down "quit when playing with nubs"
tiny oar
🙂
clear pulsar
tiny oar
im so mad man
i just wanna play the video game for 2 seconds vs ret prot is that really too much to ask
hasty dome
Lol
fickle junco
stealth for 2 seconds.
weak hinge
are you guys using moonfire/sunfire as resto in 2v2? i feel like i oom with it and am better off playing defensive for restealth/stuns
tiny oar
usually have moonfire up on kill targ at all times ya, sunfire if they're super low just cuz ull go oom spamming sunfires
weak hinge
k
tiny oar
600 mana for more overall dmg than a 5 point bite is pretty nice assuming they dont dispell, which most dont
stone nest
Yeah sunfire cost a lot of mana but I usually sunfire moonfire before I convoke
tiny oar
yea defo worth for convoke efficiency at least
weak hinge
okay. feral convoke casts sunfire?
tiny oar
uhhh not sure think it could maybe? its like divided between form specific and general spells
our boi @clear pulsar prolly knows??
dense cradle
It doesn't
brave vortex
I’m about to swap my feral over to horde what’s the best racial? I’m kind of feeling high mountain but are regular Tauren a better option?
supple path
more hp & bigger bites > 1% vers & charge imo
brave vortex
Thank you! The war stomp will probably be useful to over the charge
visual saddle
lads, in 2v2 - who do you play with and how far have you pushed?
boat vs dreamweaver?
lone zenith
I see a lot of ppl lately running Legendary which adds 40% extra dmg/heal to Rejuvenation/Rake/etc. Is it better than swiftmend legendary?
sly marsh
for feral in 3v3: guardian or resto affinity? how do you decide?
lusty locust
What legendary for RBG boomy ?
twin aspen
boat
visual saddle
can someone link the WA used to track enemy major cds? or some config for it. thank you.
lusty locust
boat is cool for the burst ye but anything better ?
visual saddle
played with both boat and the dreamweaver in rbgs. not much difference. imo.
lusty locust
what about pulsar ?
Was thinking of wierd build with stellar flare spam + arcanic pulsar
visual saddle
dunno, pulsar is consistent damage over a period of time (you cannot really activate it at will), how many kills have you got to people rotting away from dots?
depends on rating as well, if you're playing 1.6 - whats the difference anyway?
if it's 2.4 - go burst leggies, it's how boomkins are viable
i need advice for both 2v2 and 3v3, so if anyone experienced is feeling generous - i would like to have a chat!
lusty locust
When peeps are rotting it makes the target switch for burst easier, and the triple starsurge is still consistant burst damage, even without boat
visual saddle
whatever you like, you are the ones that asked opinion about it's viability
why try to prove it now? 😉
visual saddle
thank you, that will be 20 dollars for the consultatation!
clear pulsar
only moonfire
Putting moonfire up before doesnt give tou any more feral spells. Thats not how convoke works.
undone egret
any high tier RBG FC's on? I'm about to make Legacy or Natural Order, can't decide cuz they both look good but can only afford 1 of them. only doing ~2k MMR so i'm not very experienced and new to druids
crimson herald
someone know if I can still upgrade items to 220 if I lose 1800 cr?
stone nest
Putting moonfire up before doesnt give tou any more feral spells. Thats not how ...
Convoke will try to not reapply dots
lunar ibex
someone know if I can still upgrade items to 220 if I lose 1800 cr?
You must keep the rating to upgrade.
hardy cargo
Convoke will try to not reapply dots
Convoke will apply moonfire even if you precast. Convoke moonfire and cast moonfire are different dots
stone nest
Main stat top? So ilvl verse haste?
I guess that effective health weak aura is probably how to decide
tiny oar
Yea just highest ilvl vers possible tbh n dont worry about it past that fuck it
clear pulsar
Convoke will try to not reapply dots
If moonfire is already up it'll get replaced by a heal, not by a feral spell.
stone nest
If moonfire is already up it'll get replaced by a heal, not by a feral spell.
Isn’t it rng on what it gets replaced with?
clear pulsar
It'll always use 6 general spells and 10 form-specific spells (unless you don't have a valid target for that form like one in melee range if you're in cat)
stone nest
It does thrash too in feral
stone nest
And resto is 12 total (that’s what was being asked about)
lone zenith
But wont be my healing too low if i go versa+haste?
Cuz mastery increases healing, right?
and this meta is about high burst
weak hinge
versa increases healing
lone zenith
but why haste over mastery
clear pulsar
Anyway, there's some overlap, but the general spells are Rejuv, Regrowth, Wrath, Moonfire, Rake, Thrash. If Convoke doesn't have to put up those dots, it'll only get replaced by heals or Wrath, you don't get more Shreds/Bites out of Convoke by putting up Moonfire first.
If you have all the general spells up on every available target it'll just Regrowth for the general spell count.
tiny oar
Yea faster clones faster regrowths faster hots n dots just good stuff overall compared to mast which is only healing benefit
Like 5% haste feels like pure dogshit as rdruid but once u get to like 15+ theres a lot more wiggle room for other stats
But all of this is secondary to actually just playing the game well
lone zenith
I am just scared of having too low healing output in this high dmg meta 😦
tiny oar
Yea even r1 rdruids flop etc are struggling atm, getting memed that they should be lvling hpal lol.
but hopefully balance changes n more defensive conduit shit etc will slow things down a bit
arctic fulcrum
Hi guys one question - how much ilvl is its worth to drop for feral pvp for an item with versa - as example 213 ilvl crit/mastery to a 200 or 184 crit or mastery and versa?
tiny oar
w dupie sie poprzewracalo, cuz rdru not god tier for once <@!237412116024393728>
Bro what does this even MEAN I dont speak RUSKI
lime light
rancid sundial
lime light
not my problem
lone zenith
aaand swiftmend legendary is best one, right?
tiny oar
good night gamers break ankles out there
lone zenith
good night 😄
lime light
Gn cuti @tiny oar
tiny oar
Yes verdant bis @lone zenith sum ppl doing gloves sum going shoulders but haste vers either way
junior plover
Trying to set up party frames for pvp and the built-in auto activate profile switch doesnt work
apparently for 6 years now?
Anyone know of an addon to fix?
this is what I mean
junior plover
I did
it doesn't work
forum says since 2015 
^ set to 5 players
2 player group
and not in pvp
Oh wait maybe because its on primary i'm dumb
queen copper
Ahh
junior plover
brb
clear pulsar
You have to check something in all categories yeah
So if you want one for arena like that, you ahve to set 2/3, the specs, and pvp
queen copper
Like you can’t control raid style frames per group. Just the settings within it
clear pulsar
It works just fine for me
clear pulsar
Like you can’t control raid style frames per group. Just the settings within it
I'm sure he's just trying to swap between sizes and positions
Of the raid style frames
junior plover
Fak
queen copper
That’s what I was saying
junior plover
Gotcha
clear pulsar
You trying to use regular party frames for what else?
The regular party frames are pretty fucking useless
If you want something that you never look at just make a raid-style profile that's hidden
Or on the corner
lime light
MERCILLLLLLLLLLLLLESSSSSSSSSSSSSS GLADIATOR
junior plover
tulip falcon
best clicker eu
lime light
best backpedler eu
tulip falcon
lmao
clear pulsar
watching athene legit hurt me
First time I see an hpal go oom in 4 minutes
Ever in my life
tulip falcon
wasnt even lasting 4 mins when i watched him
wanton summit
Helloo
Do you guys suggest Mass Entaglement talent
to combo with Solar Beam?
or ursol vortex with solar beam
and mighty bass talent for stun
Also in case of Solar Beam and root combo is Deep Roots pvp talent a must?
clear pulsar
Yes mass entanglement is good to default to as balance
But you use it as cc for the healer
Not for your target
Generally speaking
forest kite
Mass is good, because you can combine it and surprise the healer
clear pulsar
Deep Roots isn't really a thing except maybe in BGs!? I don't think even there
stone nest
Deep roots is booty and take a slot away
weak hinge
i just want to be kyrian :criesinPvE:
stone nest
Aren’t you resto?
stone nest
Asking Shaun my b
wanton summit
oh
weak hinge
@stone nest for 2s resto for 3s boomer. main boomer bcuz of PvE
stone nest
Ah I see I see.
wanton summit
if you focus healer on RBG's tho root will break probably instantly
Mighty bash might be more helpful in case of RBG's specifically idk
weak hinge
rootbeam in rbg is good
oblique wharf
Just be alpha an NS entangling roots
wanton summit
Also Guardian or Restoration affinity?
been playing for a while with restoration and got used to swiftmend and rejuvenation 😛
but i guess guardian is better for pvp?
sly marsh
how does positioning factor in to your decision making as melee dps (specifically feral)? I see some great guides for ranged dps on the internet but I feel like as melee I am basically obligated to follow the kill target wherever they go but that’s probably not the whole story I imagine
weak hinge
@sly marsh basically keep an eye on your healer and become good at playing defensively when needed
strange basalt
How do you guys get better relics?
lime light
-wq
-dungeons
-raid
-conquest
-stygmia if u have rep with the maw guy
strange basalt
So the only way for a pure pvp player is conquest and then stygmia ?
lime light
u dont wanna waste conquest on them
strange basalt
because as a druid we have so much traits to upgrade that the stygmia is a waste for me
lilac plank
Guys did we lost pvp talents?
In this xpac
And what about those warmode talents? Do they work in rated arena?
sly marsh
there are no war mode talents. War mode is pvp. Pvp talents work in all forms of pvp.
lean hill
What pvp talents are usually preferred for balance rbgs?
crude minnow
Moonkin aura, celestial guardian, then the last is up in the air. Can run dying stars if you are higher rated and dont have dot prevention. DIsarm if you are ever sitting and there is a rogue/hunter/etc. Thorns is always solid. The 250% damage to break roots is sick for root/beam... can single handedly win a fight
lean hill
tyvm
dusk matrix
yo guys anyone got macro to get into bear form and cast incapcitating roar?
oh
thanks
😛
clear pulsar
Kyrian's kinda ass for resto @weak hinge you're honestly better off as night fae if you wanna play both specs
waxen anchor
What is the RBG leggo?
weak hinge
@clear pulsar yeah but im not using convoke offensively in 2s at all. im just too scared to get fucked by DKs and WWs lol
waxen anchor
orders will?
crude minnow
For balance?
waxen anchor
for tank
crude minnow
Sleeper
clear pulsar
Kyrian's just a 15% heal buff for 10s every minute @weak hinge
flat abyss
Any recommended RBG balance streamers?
waxen anchor
Sleeper outperforms will? Is that basically a throughput for teamfight idea?
aka, the leach beats the extra heals and armor?
surreal heron
it's the cc immunity
flat abyss
Ty @vestal citrus
crude minnow
Not for teamfight. It is for getting safely to your base as FC or to escape a mage/rogue opener at your base
waxen anchor
got it, i cant read, thanks
crude minnow
Some teams opt for a balance druid to just stay balance and FC so they can fight in a teamfight when needed. I am not sure when that is preferable over guardian though tbh
nimble knoll
new to ballance and pvp
whats our best race for horde? saw some people on tauren but also HM tauren
is one nescesarily better than the other?>
basic tauren? or HM? tauren
clear pulsar
Coming out of torghast and the harsh reality that I dont have 70% base haste and 50% crit
elfin lodge
Best race is NE tho
Vastly better than anything else
So I would play alliance
Enough horde aroubd
😅
stone nest
You probably never have to run bash. I mean I hardly run it but still
clear pulsar
Meld is nasterino
Yeah if I play resto as night fae nelf rdru I'm taking hotw every single time
Mass root also super nice against all the problematic dps
WW, ret
stone nest
I’d take mass root if I was playing lock sp too but hotw over everything usually
crystal stump
what trinkets are ferals going, ive been running battlemasters
lilac owl
I usually play feral in PvP, but am learning balance. Have BoAT and am night fae - outside of convoke, what should i be really focusing on? playing with a ww usually
undone egret
you only have 1 button as convoke boomie 🙂
convoke without getting kicked and everyone likes you
lilac owl
if that doesn't work do i basically just cc etc until convoke is up again?
undone egret
nah jp, you still have plenty of burst without it
every ecclipse into 3+ starsurges is still very scary
you basically CC, farm astral power while stalling a little, and you get a mini burst very frequently
crystal stump
my favorite games are the one where my healer instantly dies to a boomkin convoke
undone egret
u can prolly burst 3 times between each convoke
now that ppl are hyperaware of convoke we see less of the 10 sec matches but it's still pretty funny
lilac owl
cool thanks, can you recommend a good WA/addon that tracks eclipse?
undone egret
do you have the number 1/2 over your wrath and starfire?
lilac owl
yeah
undone egret
i use an all in one, more than needed pretty UI but you mostly need ur wrath and starfire button somewhere u always see it
so you don't track ecclipse necessarily you track the next cast that will trigger ecclipse
and you know as soon as wrath or star finishes casting you have 3 fat starsurges
it's slower looking for like a picture flashing up of ecclipse
lilac owl
yeah i haven't played balance since legion so the eclipse has changed a bit. if wrath says "2" that means i cast wrath twice to enter eclipse? or
undone egret
than knowing it's coming up in 0.5 secs as soon as wrath casts
undone egret
yea so you cast it once and it say '1', then you know after ur next cast you have mega crit
lilac owl
gotcha. thanks guys
undone egret
nw it's very time sensitive so you have to get used to being fast with the SG dump, kinda noob but i start pressing SG in the middle of starfire's second cast
so the milisecond starfire ends the BOAT boosted surges are already on the way
i'm trying to get used to guardian FC, still can't decide to go Legacy or Natural Order leggo. 1 giant CD or buffing for a medium CD between bezerks for more frequent ones
stone apex
I have seen couple people play with Dreamweaver because it has 2 potency conduits as balance druid. Would this be optimal for arena’s and RBGs ??
undone egret
if i go legacy i should take incarn right? that makes the CC immune and huge boost 30 secs i think
forest kite
For a bad pvper like me, the dreamweaver pod just wins game when ppl dont kill ur pod in time
crystal stump
yeah id def take incarn
undone egret
ok cool gonna give it a try thx!
nimble knoll
how do you guys survive a RMP opener or rego assuming ur out of stealth
?
new to ballance and wondering hehe
do u just hide in bear esp in 2s?
undone egret
u mean sit in bear if u lose stealth? or do you literally just walk in as bear?
nimble knoll
if u lose stealth ofc
for some reason
damn tysm
just got into ballance recently, been playing war so wanted to try a caster and i just got 60
also since skoldus up rn might as well try n get the leggo
timid shuttle
where can i get weapon illusion enchant after reaching rank 2100
tyty just appeared ^^
nimble knoll
just wondering whts our best 2s/3s
new to ballance
when youre getting focused and have to move or trained do you just apply dots n run?
so basically just that, idk if its cuz im low geared or playing bad too in fariness im new to the spec or just used to being arms and v tanky haha
but i drop rlly fast if i get trained on
undone egret
some of the high boomies are playing with ele, spriest, or ret as dps partner with various healers but most ppl think hpal is the best
all 3 of those can help you with offheals too if ur getting trained so it's harder to get finishes needing to CC both ur partners
sharp wyvern
what talents do boomies run in RBG? im not really certain if my gameplan is suposed to be to starfall and do giga aoe damage or to pump star surges and to blow people up
surge on cd? im not trying to pool AP for boat surges?
long kayak
Anyone know if floral recycling conduit works with verdant infusion leggo for resto?
hardy cargo
Anyone know if floral recycling conduit works with verdant infusion leggo for re...
Yes it does,it heals for the hot it would've consumed(also something I've noticed abt swiftmend leggo is you need a hot up on target anyways, fun)
stone nest
Why run floral recycling when you can tfb and convoke
clear pulsar
I think Floral Recycling is too hit or miss for me
If I had regrowth up on target then it's a piss bonus
If it counts a sotf rejuv then it's a massive bonus
strange elbow
hey dudes im new here
i wanted to ask a question , are there anytips for healing against an affliction warlock ? :D
long kayak
Yes it does,it heals for the hot it would've consumed(also something I've notice...
tyty
stark bloom
Im new to learning Resto pvp, what is the best leggo to make? Verdant or CoL&D
stone nest
Verdant
steady tinsel
Is there any good balance guides for pvp available? the icy veins one is a bit lackluster
candid dragon
I think Supatease has some new stuff.
vast vapor
anyone up for testing if convoke casts full moon guaranteed at certain astral power?
verbal copper
^^ i'd also like any tips/tricks for convoke, my alt balance druid is just starting to pvp and everyone else is better at clicking their convoke than I am
queen copper
Is there any good balance guides for pvp available? the icy veins one is a bit l...
Pins
queen copper
anyone up for testing if convoke casts full moon guaranteed at certain astral po...
Wouldn’t take his word on balance stuff
queen copper
^^ i'd also like any tips/tricks for convoke, my alt balance druid is just start...
Cc the other team then cast it
Cast at max range
queen copper
If you stand out of range for 2s it will only heal then move into range and the rest will be SS
queen copper
oh I see u quoted wrong one ;)
Ah woops. Yea supatease isn’t a balance main
vast vapor
ive seen that SS thing happen a few times
wonder if its rly like that
tried on dummy and got 6 wraths
steady tinsel
@queen copper thanks but the pinned wowhead link for balance is a 404 :)
forest kite
Im starting feral pvp seriously and see Critical strike as the last secondary stats in guides. Critical are free combo points, 100% damage and fat heals, isn't it great ?
clear pulsar
Crit is nerfed in pvp. Less than it was in the past, but still nerfed. Also free combo points is great for sustained rotational damage, but you don't kill with that in pvp, you kill with setups and burst. Putting your stat budget into a stat that's unreliable for burst is not ideal when mastery buffs Bite by more % per point.
It's aight don't sweat too much about secondaries
Vers is king
But stamina and agility are biggest
Mastery 2nd but at that point the optimization you're making between 100 less crit and 100 more mastery or vice versa matters very little.
forest kite
Ok thanks you ! didn't noticed crit was nerfed in PvP
clear pulsar
It's like 175% damage instead of 200%
It's not bad, like it still does something on average
But it is unreliable
For burst
And the effect it has on speeding up the rotation doesn't matter a whole lot when you just kill with Bites and CCs
forest kite
so better aim for vers/mastery in Pvp. Do i prefer a ilvl 213 without vers or 200 big vers for stuff ?
clear pulsar
Depends on slot
There's a weakaura that calculates your effective HP taking your armor and vers into consideration
It's good for helping decide those things
Higher ilvl = more hp etc so vers isn't necessarily always making you tankier
Just equip the items and see which one gives you more
shadow dagger
anyone got a link to a pvp bear guide
for like RBGs
FCing
i dont know where to find what legendary to go for FCing
there is no wowhead guardian pvp guide
steady tinsel
BOAT best for night fae?
queen copper
Crit is 50% crit damage reduction in pvp
steady tinsel
thanks
little harness
Resto Druid buffs incoming you guys think?
stone nest
Na
tiny oar
Nope
Although nerfs to overtuned specs to slow down the game would be an indirect buff to us kinda.
Sorta redundant tho cuz it would just be a buff to all the other healers as well
clear pulsar
I think wog nerf inc for sure, for all specs. Maybe a nerf to mindgames and windwalker too. Also could see tuning on mana dynamics, they did a bunch of that early in BFA with mana costs and mana regen tuning, maybe inc purge mana costs back up a bit.
I dont think a flat buff to rdru healing is gonna be a thing tho no way
little harness
Yeah we’ll see, that’s a really good point actually. The burst seems too high for rdruid and they can’t trade CDs as well
Also I’m a disc main rn and even idk if I like thot steal being in the game
clear pulsar
be a rdru
q a rbg
enemy team 2 disc 2 spr
66% uptime on thoughtsteal
Do you just swap to dps?
shadow dagger
anyone got any info on guardian rbgs?
clear pulsar
My brother there is not a lot of organized information about it, most of rated pvp is arena and not-tanks in particular also, but if you would be so kind as to use the search function, there's been a lot of conversation about guardian in RBGs
In this channel
For leggo, the CC immunity Sleeper one is bis
stone nest
0 nerfs this week. Calling it
tiny oar
Yea I'd literally just like look at the top of rbg ladder for any druids cuz most of them prolly flex boomie and guardian efc I'd imagine and make a toon on their server to ask questions/ if they stream @shadow dagger
Cuz that's how little info is out there on bg shit
clever pond
whats the best legendary for feral?
tiny oar
Ya like dont overthink it tbh not too much to it
viral granite
what are some good combo for feral in 2s
tiny oar
Mistweaver
clear pulsar
If you really really like double dps then ret's probably the best choice
Cuz ret is a healer
tiny oar
Sad to see them so gutted I liked playing mine last season
somber hazel
Are you guys always starsurging before convoke
little harness
Bastion doesn’t give you convoke
tiny oar
@clear pulsar I made a draught for 2s games holy shit brother the moonfire and rake damage is insane tbh
tiny oar
Uh I would assume so ya but would have to test it
stone nest
Yeah it works
stone nest
Ursine prob
shadow dagger
ty
clear pulsar
Wut no
stone nest
No I’m wrong
stone nest
I was thinking the one that buffs frenzy regen
clear pulsar
Both fr ones
stone nest
Had the name wrong
shadow dagger
kk
stone nest
Inate resolve was what I was thing with well honed and tough as bark
clear pulsar
Unchecked aggressions seems ok but you should be god incarnate during Incarn anyway without the conduit
quartz idol
Question. How does the kyrian ability for feral work for pvp? Does it dmg convert 20% of your dmg and your link to arcane or is it a flat 20% buff?
clear pulsar
Wowhead has a good explanation I think
One sec
As you deal damage, you will spend that bank for 20% of the damage you deal, SO if you deal 10k damage, your give your partner 2k for theier bank, while also spending 2k from the bank you have.```This is how I explained it
But for pvp you just bond yourself and it gives you a flat 15% dmg buff
shadow dagger
even in 3s?
clear pulsar
Yeah bonding some else will do fuck all
quartz idol
Oh ok. So bonding my partner is kinda fucking pointless.
Or if I play with a fire mage they’ll give me stupid dmg
clear pulsar
Basically bonding with another dps means you both get a bonus equal to 20% of whoever did less damage
quartz idol
Ooooh.
clear pulsar
But due to timing, in reality it's even less than that