pvp

[stone nest]

Being able to stun out of stealth is soooo nice and you can get a clone off

[devout frost]

U cant be shit at arms

[thorny venture]

oh I assure you can

[devout frost]

U can be shit at dps by LoSing your healer

But not at arms

[hardy cargo]

Arms has like 5 burst cds, how do you mess that up

[cerulean oracle]

the difference betweens a good arms warr and a bad one is HUGE

[devout frost]

@cerulean oracle surr

[cerulean oracle]

any class w that much party utility is gonna have a good skill ceiling

[devout frost]

But the diff between a bad arms and a bad anything else is also huge

[cerulean oracle]

its not about raw dam

thats not why theyre crazy good

[devout frost]

Because arms skillcap only affects itility

[cerulean oracle]

it helps, but not damage alone

[stone nest]

Certain classes have a low barrier to entry. I don’t think arms is one of those

[cerulean oracle]

yeah i dont think so either

[devout frost]

Having highest burst deffo isnt why theyre crazy good

[cerulean oracle]

no, it isnt

again, it helps

but watch a high rated arms warrior and you'll see exactly what ppl mean

[thorny venture]

okay, getting a bunch of vers, and oath is helping me a lot in 2s

[hardy cargo]

I wish I got vers but all I get is crit gear

[devout frost]

@cerulean oracle i mained warr for 6 years anyone telling themselves its hard is coping

[stone nest]

Relative to like a ret I’d say arms is harder.

[thorny venture]

19% vers before trinkets at 196 equipped

[tepid spoke]

when you hit 2.1k do you upgrade your items to 223 ilvl or 226?

[thorny venture]

226 I believe

[tepid spoke]

😮

i thought it was 223

im 2050cr

gotta grind i guess

[clear pulsar]

226

226 conduit too

[tepid spoke]

thats fuki nnice

[clear pulsar]

My bites so big now

[obtuse ice]

Huge bite

[thorny venture]

I'll never get 2.1k unless I buy it

[tepid spoke]

If you really want it you will

learn

maybe not early in the season but i bet you will by the end

its just a grind

[clear pulsar]

2.1 is achievable by everyone

Gladiator probably not

But like

2.1 is just putting in the time to learn stuff

[tepid spoke]

you can still get glad if you really wanna get it

but like

not the first season you play

thats like non realistic

[mossy cloud]

https://youtu.be/1UQvBXuiSVY

[sterile kite]

1800 is already a grind for me lol

[thorny venture]

I've never been above 1800

and that was with OP specs like 8.0 disc and 8.3 Hpal

wait, I've barely made 1800

promptly fell below

oh I'm sure I suck at stuff

[sterile kite]

I'm making progress slowly. Mainly playing with healers yelling at me to do certain things a different way 😛

[obtuse ice]

Glyph you are wrong

Everyone will say the same thing

In every field

Someone who is doing great at it will tell you it's easy you just need to work

[sterile kite]

So far it really does feel like just putting in the time. Almost like a MOBA

[upbeat sequoia]

Question for my Druid friends 😄 Does Blessing of Protection help against Thorns? And does Spell Reflect?

[lime light]

u can get to 2.4k doing proper pve rotation

obv not early in ssn

and having pve gear

[past shard]

does inscrutable quantum device share cd with pvp trinket?

[obtuse ice]

How do you explain people follow better a script than other

Why it is always the same teams that win blizzcon or such

[tiny oar]

[obtuse ice]

I feel like this reasoning could absolutly work for everything

And we all know not everyone can become astrophysician

Right?

[stray sigil]

i can

[tiny oar]

U could be rank 1 astronaut for sure @stray sigil

[stray sigil]

yup yup

[obtuse ice]

Yhea I see oki

but like saying pvp is easy

kinda annoys me

[tepid spoke]

pvp makes me nervous

thats what i dont like about it

[obtuse ice]

TO me saying it like that makes it totally unrewarding

[thorny venture]

2.4k to me is harder than anything pve

I'd rather try for CE than go over 2k.

[mossy cloud]

Pvp at the highest level is not easy at all - requires a totally different set of knowledge and skill than PVE

Both are difficult at the highest level

[tiny oar]

Yea I mean those are definitely both factors that can contribute to an advantage, but my mindset is just what could I have done better to improve our chance of winning etc

[mossy cloud]

PvP is more nerve wracking imo

[obtuse ice]

do you enjoy life Glyph

you love pressing button and win

sounds not really satisfiying

For how much time you (seems) to spend on it

That's a huge hobby

How many hours/day do you spend on WoW

[clear pulsar]

Any competition between people is only as hard as the people you're facing are better than you.

[obtuse ice]

24h is 24h

It's not reeally about comparing to others

Just about how much you spend in your day

imo

[clear pulsar]

Pvp isn't hard, it has a burden of knowledge smaller than other competitive games like dota, league, starcraft, while also being less mechanically demanding than games like the ones I mentioned, shooters, rocket league, etc, it may be hard for you to win games if you're playing vs people who are better than you, or if it's a bad matchup or whatever you wanna call it

[sterile kite]

dota 2 definitely had a bigger learning curve for me

[clear pulsar]

But none of that matters cuz in player vs player games you're going up against other people

How hard or easy a game is doesnt mean anything

Cuz it's hard/easy for everyone

[obtuse ice]

For the same

amount of time spent

some people will be better than others

[clear pulsar]

That is true for every game

Has nothing to do with how easy or hard the game is

[obtuse ice]

Not even games

Just life in genreal

[clear pulsar]

So why you bitching

I think that's not true

There will be a point where you simply don't have it in your brain

To outplay rank 1s and shit

Yeah not that

But like, I don't think everyone can get non-s4 glad for instance

[obtuse ice]

We should not talk about difficulty if you prefer, but depth in the game

and if for the same time spent, some people are better than others, it introduce the notion of difficulty, cause it would be easy for some, and hard forothers

[clear pulsar]

There's no point in comparing the depth of wow to other games

It's different

Wow's a game of timing and awareness

Not mechanical intensity or even knowledge depth

[obtuse ice]

Depth can be an objective tool

[clear pulsar]

If you're trying to compare to other games

Each person plays different and has different ways to go about using their cds, different stuff that'll trigger that in them idk
So if you just cycle thru lfg endlessly you'll never learn that with someone else and just have to luck out on finding that one person that has the same idea as you

[thorny venture]

I just don't have as much mechanical skill as it likely takes.

[clear pulsar]

That's bullshit

[thorny venture]

Frankly all 15s in time is mechanically easier than pvp

[clear pulsar]

You're finding excuses

Bro have you seen @tiny oar my guy's like a 80 year old geriatric reaction times

[tiny oar]

Mechanical skill is literally just pressing ur buttons good

[clear pulsar]

Lakerz presses ironbark 7 seconds after the warrior popped avatar

[tiny oar]

[clear pulsar]

I'm xfering horde tonight bro

Cba with alliance anymore

[devout frost]

lakerz i'll boost u with my elder druid venthyr setup

[unkempt nimbus]

Alliance way better class for arena if you are playing druid

[devout frost]

but then u have to play alliance

[clear pulsar]

That literally doesnt matter

[unkempt nimbus]

Tru I dont play alliance

[clear pulsar]

It's also only an excuse

[devout frost]

none of the druid races are orc or human anyway

so racial dont matter

[unkempt nimbus]

But I would to play nelf if my friends were alliance

[tiny oar]

Idgaf about anything in 2s every melee except trill or Chun or smex is a training dummy to me at this point @clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

You may not actively argue that you'd be higher as nelf, but it's a subconscious excuse

Race dont matter

[unkempt nimbus]

You are saying shadowmeld doesn't matter in arena?

[devout frost]

very progressive of u

[obtuse ice]

Go ask cassidy

[unkempt nimbus]

I'm not arguing that at all

[obtuse ice]

if nelf doesn't

matter

bitch

[tiny oar]

[devout frost]

french league player tryna look tough

[unkempt nimbus]

I'm saying from an objective view nelf is the best. I dont play nelf either

[clear pulsar]

Shadowmeld is very good, but you are kidding yourself if you think having meld over warstomp is gonna make a difference in games you're playing

It's all just play good win games

[tiny oar]

Just look at our boy formy

[lime light]

[unkempt nimbus]

I play feral a free resteath is better then a stun

Because the restealth comes with a free stun

[lime light]

u guys are dumb

so dumb

if u think zanda regen

doesnt matter

think twice kid

pce

[clear pulsar]

Zandalari regen is bis 100%

That's what I've been trying to say

[thorny venture]

I play Kul Tiran. 😄

[clear pulsar]

Meld over warstomp pointless when zanda is bis

[thorny venture]

No one excepts the stun

[unkempt nimbus]

Anyone that let's you get that off is bad

Same as convoke

[tiny oar]

What do u mean lol ofc u can get it off

[devout frost]

u guys are mental

if u dont think worgen move speed matters

[unkempt nimbus]

Glad you are playing with people that let you channel a 100% heal

[clear pulsar]

Soulshape + worgen + tiger dash = speedy gonzales

[devout frost]

feels so good to pop 30% MS buff that doesnt cleanse slows

[tiny oar]

Just walk 5 feet behind pillar and cast it at 10% hp with no dots up

[devout frost]

and doesnt stack with other MS abilities

[tiny oar]

Boom done

[devout frost]

absolutely mental

[unkempt nimbus]

Yeah people are just going to let the low hp person walk behind the pillar and channel a large heal for free

I'd like to play with them

[devout frost]

bro if u play high mountain you dont have to spec wild charge can just use racial @tiny oar

actually insane

[patent cradle]

what school is zanda regen

[unkempt nimbus]

Its zanalari racial

[lime light]

@devout frost https://twitter.com/sx6_magnusz/status/1332948058091425792?s=20

magnusz (@sx6_magnusz)

no one is more big brain https://t.co/YDnk3mwK05

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[patent cradle]

rip

[hardy cargo]

Best racial is zandalari glider obviously

[clear pulsar]

Worgen really is bis huh

[tiny oar]

Ur a fucking druid dude like were actual fucking race cars Jimmy johnson couldn't keep up with us wtf r u on about

Ur all frying me going back to bed cya

[patent cradle]

worgen got swag

[exotic wolf]

yo @vestal citrus , do you have a updated boomy guide or is the one in the pins still the only one?

[devout frost]

@tiny oar bro pandaren druid actually insane

double food buff

[hardy cargo]

Blood elf druid?

[patent cradle]

literally just a siamese cat

[devout frost]

nah that would be trash

[hardy cargo]

You say that like a bunch of horde druids wouldn't go blood elf

[exotic wolf]

swapping from rdruid to boomy in 3s

[devout frost]

they dont deserve to play druid

[exotic wolf]

cant handle this shit atm

[neon juniper]

good night, i'd like to ask how can I peel for a partner if he's getting rogue + mage's opener

[devout frost]

id go goblin if i could

[neon juniper]

i currently hit incap roar + roots once they appear

[hardy cargo]

Undead

[tiny oar]

Vulperas not being able to be druid is the biggest oversight in the solar system

[clear pulsar]

Pls dont be afurry

[exotic wolf]

what legendary you rockin @vestal citrus

[unkempt nimbus]

I would 100% be vulpera regardless of how shitty it would be

[exotic wolf]

nah, no boat. i dont really pve

and when i pve i heal

[tiny oar]

Max fucking furry rename yiffcity for the memes call it a day @clear pulsar

[patent cradle]

I would 100% be vulpera regardless of how shitty it would be
ikr

imagine getting teabagged by a vulpera

how do u recover from that

[tiny oar]

Ya u dont

[thorny venture]

my dk is a vulpera

haven't levelled him yet

[clear pulsar]

Yall some of the most disgusting people

[tiny oar]

They delete their character out of embarrassment

[devout frost]

being teabagged by a diapergnome would be worse

[thorny venture]

If only MW was good

[terse orbit]

What conduits and soulbinds do boomers use?

[thorny venture]

I love when the melee dps focuses me in 2s

I am so tanky right now hahah

3 FRs in a row boosted by AS, yes please

[devout frost]

@terse orbit pelagos

[terse orbit]

are you saying night fae fun is over?

[devout frost]

wellhoned instincts + precise alignment

[unkempt nimbus]

Convoke is not useful at high rating

Or 3s

Because it will get kicked immediately by someone not bad

[drifting junco]

Balance is propably the hardest class to play in arena. Allways getting one shotted, I´m lucky if I can even get dots up. What´s up with that?

[devout frost]

how do you get oneshotted out of stealth

[drifting junco]

When I come out of stealth, I use Incarnation, and then I´m dead.

[clear pulsar]

Balance is absolutely not the hardest spec to play

It's not even the hardest druid spec to play

[devout frost]

guardian is way harder i agree

[last trout]

its not even the 2nd hardest druid spec is it :P?

[clear pulsar]

All your globals are legit insta casts

[devout frost]

no both resto and feral are harder

but resto is different role which is harder to play to begin with

[last trout]

dont forget guardian

[clear pulsar]

I think feral v boomie is arguably but u cant tell me boomie's harder than any healer

Arguable**

[thorny venture]

I wanna try boomie, but I don't have any legendaries for the spec

[devout frost]

especially if the argument is that you get oneshotted before you get dots up

because that goes for any clothwearer if u play shit

[acoustic nebula]

They don't know about vortex convoke

Xd

[clear pulsar]

Vortex beam on a disc priest

Literally nothing they can do

[hardy cargo]

Root beam then vortex

[clear pulsar]

Just play bash too so you can cc the off target

Dont care just slay

Kill both at once

[devout frost]

They dont know about the mass entangle convoke

B)

[hardy cargo]

Make your 2nd stun

[acoustic nebula]

Don't root beam

Because it won't target them

Unless you mean root beam one and Convoke the other that your teammate stunned

[hardy cargo]

Root the melee and vortex beam the caster/healer?

Or have 2nd stunlock non caster

[acoustic nebula]

You can root beam healer and kill other but yes

Root beam = no focus

[hardy cargo]

Guess you'd switch that strategy depending on what you're playing against

[thorny venture]

My top healing is Frenzied Regen. 😄

[hardy cargo]

Makes sense as long as you're not resto

[thorny venture]

I am resto haha

[hardy cargo]

Well that burst must've been fun

[tiny oar]

If frenzy is ur top heal as resto I'm praying 4 u buddy

[loud moss]

If you get focused how is that bad?

[clear pulsar]

Kite!?

[loud moss]

If I get focused vs double dps it usually ends if you survive the burst.

[thorny venture]

One matched FR did 200k healing

If I'm getting focused like that the match is actually easier

[clear pulsar]

He's oath @tiny oar

That's why

[thorny venture]

I felt it worked better for how I play

[tiny oar]

Ya u can literally just w key in travel form and get away from anything except a god ww or like a feral

[clear pulsar]

You're just a w key

[tiny oar]

O okay carry on I guess

[clear pulsar]

Such a hater

[tiny oar]

I hate inefficiency yes

[clear pulsar]

If you ain't playing natural orders will you ain't shit

[tiny oar]

[thorny venture]

I swear I'm healing when FR and Ysera's are my top two spells.

[patent cradle]

just play guardian at that point

[hardy cargo]

Play guardian, troll arenas win win?

[thorny venture]

I still do plenty of other healing, it's just FR ends up about 30%

sorry, 20%

[devout frost]

yes that was the joke

good job

[patent cradle]

but guardian is legit

[hardy cargo]

Play guardian, troll enemy team*

[sleek adder]

Any restos grinding RBGs? Which legendary feels best?

[stone nest]

Don’t need to worry about enemy cds if you can face tank them.

[turbid hollow]

Is there a viable covenant for balance and resto? or are u forced into 1 specc?

[clear pulsar]

Every covenant is viable

Except maybe venthyr

[fleet pulsar]

Necro works with both

Very well

[clear pulsar]

"Forced into 1 spec" is a wild wild stretch

I would put Kyrian as the general one

That's good for everyone

Necrolord's got a few great interactions for resto, but Kyrian is also a pretty strong healing cd if you think about it

[thorny venture]

3 matches in a row of disc/arms

I'm not even 1600 yet

come on

[turbid hollow]

those were fast awnsers thank you both ill prob look into both since im still lvling

[clear pulsar]

15% buff + 350 mastery, and phial >>>> fleshcraft

Necrolord's very very good for resto in pvp but it's worse than other options everywhere else

Night Fae's a nice fun meme too tho, especially if you play mostly 2s

[turbid hollow]

wait till u face all those ww monks

[lime light]

175 mastery

kid

[exotic wolf]

[crude minnow]

Arms and ww are my least favorite to face as balance. Especially at the same time in 3s

[thorny venture]

two ferals is stupid to face

two ferals with resto affinity, that was a stupid match

[lime light]

u need a pills

[charred escarp]

what talents do people take for boomy in RBGs?

okay cool, why dont you take stellar if you're teamfighting? is it because your job is to triple surge focus targets?

okay

i guess starfall is just for mega pad

[thorny venture]

phew, back over 1600 in 2s

don't know if I try for 1800 in 2s or rbgs

[drifting junco]

How do you guys open in arena?

[obtuse ice]

Spec pls

[lofty yoke]

hey guys i know there is already a pin for this but a lot of the streamers i clicked dont stream, anyone have any favorite boomy streamers?

[drifting junco]

Balance

[clear pulsar]

Corkiri and supatease stream almost everyday

Rudarz too

Chanimal streams everyday but is a lock main, sometimes plays boomie

Graycen is a multiclasser but again, streams everyday

[limber orchid]

I wanted to check supateass vids but its subscriber only..

[crude minnow]

@thorny venture as boomy, 1800 in rbgs was easier than 3s for me.

[clear pulsar]

Yungsav418 also streams a lot

Idk looks like many of those streamers linked are playing/streaming boomie at least once a week

3 or 4 of them being purely boomie streamers

[thorny venture]

I've been doing resto/bear in rbgs. I'll see about making a boomie legendary tomorrow

[stray sigil]

whats wrong with you recommending ppl to watch supa

[clear pulsar]

He's a boomie player

No different from any other boomie player

They all stink of disgusto

[stray sigil]

he plays boomy once ina blue moon

and hes free at it

[clear pulsar]

You farming bro?

[stray sigil]

i did farm him yes

and i had to tbag him everytime

had to be done

[clear pulsar]

We're the same person bro

I'm coming for that ass in 3s just you wait

Leveling my warrior as we speak 🧢

[haughty compass]

I can’t stand anything supatease says, and I realize that says more things about me than him

[thorny venture]

my warrior doesn't have any 2 handers or maybe I'd do stuff on her

[stray sigil]

face ur the only dude on the planet who cares about wr i swear

LOl

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil its a joke u dense idiot

[stray sigil]

[clear pulsar]

I was just stalking to check ur gea4

Gea4

[stray sigil]

i dont undertsand jajaja humor

sry bro

[clear pulsar]

Gear

[stray sigil]

oih wait

thats me ?

LOl

i thought that was u in 2 pictures

LMFAO

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

i played with one of ur jaja brothers

got him his first 2.1

was def not worth my time

[clear pulsar]

Wtf u do something nice then say something stupid

Ofc it was worth your time bro

[thorny venture]

FORCED 50% WIN RATE. Sorry, HotS flashbacks. 😄

[clear pulsar]

HotS didnt have forced 50%

[stray sigil]

bro u dont get it

i had to teach him

[thorny venture]

It was a meme

[stray sigil]

how to play

while playing

was not fun

[clear pulsar]

I climbed from gold to master over 2 seasons just solo queueing

And gitting gud

[stray sigil]

hots

[clear pulsar]

Hots was fun dont hate bro

I like dota better but at the time I didnt have free windows for dota games

[thorny venture]

Oh I know, if you're below your proper mmr you will climb, same in rated pvp. Once you reach your proper mmr you should have a 50% win rate

[stray sigil]

so fun

[clear pulsar]

The 20 min matches in hots were nice

[stray sigil]

hots for boomers who cant play league

and league for boomers who cant play dota

true true

facts.

[clear pulsar]

Lmao

Im big trash at dota

Fax

[stray sigil]

i cant get over the shop on dota

looks so wack idk

[thorny venture]

I play HotS so I can play Sylvanas, Hogger, Stitches. 😄

[stray sigil]

prob cuz i played league for too long

[clear pulsar]

I was a medivh spammer all the way to like mid diamond

Then i started to play real heroes

@stray sigil diff interfaces fuck me up too

#1 thing keeping me from enjoying more games

I cant get over the UI

[stray sigil]

tho ui in league now

is so shit idk why they changed it

[clear pulsar]

So i heard

My friends all hate it

[stray sigil]

looks a bit like dota now

[clear pulsar]

Idk i rly like the dota shop

[stray sigil]

i kinda like dota

but none of my friends play so i never bothered trying to learn it

[small storm]

pls help me suck less at pvp, how do i even beat ret pala ever

[stray sigil]

bang him bro

[clear pulsar]

Idk how to tell you that

But you just avoid burst and win idk

[shadow dagger]

im feral disc in 2s

[clear pulsar]

Ret not hard to beat, ww and arms are the real trouble

[shadow dagger]

matchup i have most trouble with is fire/rogue

i always panic during their burst

[clear pulsar]

Dont panic

Youre welcome, NEXT

If yall can like record games

Its rly helpful for yourselves and for others trying to help you out

[stray sigil]

rogue mage is just about trading cds efficiently

and pre bearing gos

ww is only hard cuz they dont fucking die for 10mins

play vs ww hpal and its 80% damp game cuz they can just rotate low cd shit

ret just send it and dont let him time to breathe

put it in his ass and dont pull out

[shadow dagger]

in the ret's?

usually on ww i focus healer andf constantly root the ww

[small storm]

like im going after discs in melee cleaves and they just full heal

[shadow dagger]

if you stay on the ww healer it's harder for him to double stun your team

[small storm]

or if its rsham ww dk or arms ret like

[shadow dagger]

against melee using roots with PS is strong

[stray sigil]

idk ww def die

[small storm]

running w a mage i just feel like they die faster than we can get thru whatever wall

[stray sigil]

if ur playing feral mage u prob dont go healers unless they dont have cds with combust up prob

ur like a worse rogue mage

[clear pulsar]

Unless you're night fae

Then mage can double root the melees and you free Convoke a healer without trinket

[small storm]

mage is like playing big gpy stuff

its mostly about getting a stun/poly into combined burst for 1 shot right?

so u just have a go every min or so

[clear pulsar]

Both of you can one shot on your own

You don't need to both pop at the same time necessarily

Just cross CC

Whenever one pops

Combustion is the most insane cd

And even if you're Kyrian, Bite Frenzy Bite is easily 20k damage

[small storm]

nf

[clear pulsar]

Right then you 100-0 anyone anytime if you get the setup

[small storm]

am i holding convoke for a bit to bait out trinkets, kicks, walls etc?

[thorny venture]

I kinda enjoy facing mages. I can usually survive their burst and then they have nothing else

[stray sigil]

just open with zerk

force every cd

kill on next poly dr

[clear pulsar]

Yeah big send the dam

[stray sigil]

u dont even need to press convoke prob

literally just let ur mage get a poly in opener zerk rake rip ff tf bite bite bite

prob enough to get a bunch of cds if ur mage does any dmg aswell

[small storm]

and what if its melee cleave training my heals?

[stray sigil]

wait ur talking 3s or 2s

i thought this was 2s

i mean u can do the same in 3s too LUL

[clear pulsar]

Bro no joke like

Just keep getting cds on the dps

Then when healer has no trinket you vortex into frost nova the melees

[stray sigil]

i think if u get trinket with ur opener

[clear pulsar]

And charge maim convoke the healer

[stray sigil]

u win on next go

s oits like u do ur gos in poly dr

and u kinda like run and reset in between the drs

[severe remnant]

What type of damage is spear of bastion, physi/magic?

[patent dove]

The effect can be negated by cloak of shadows so i expect it to be magical

[devout frost]

@severe remnant arcane dmg

in general all kyrian spells are arcane

[median jasper]

are there any boomkin 2s/3s streamer that dont have their vods behind subscriber wall? i have no clue how to play boomkin and wanna learn

[devout frost]

prob are

otherwise can just sub to watch

[hasty dome]

Supatease has YouTube vid on how he does boomkin 3s

[median jasper]

ty

[small storm]

im usually going guardian aff, its the only way i survive some of these bursts

vortex kinda big for the setups i can imagine

3s tho

[thorny venture]

I guess I make BOAT tomorrow. Seems the most consistent burst pressure with 3 starsurges every eclipse

[devout frost]

the most consistent burst pressure is from dreambinder, not boat

[clear pulsar]

How an effect based on critical strikes could be considered consistent is beyond me

[devout frost]

boat makes u superpredictable as well

enemy just need to play around your boat window

[thorny venture]

Is that true in rbgs where you likely won't be as focused as much before a healer?

[devout frost]

it doesnt magically become higher burst just because youre in a rbg?

sure u wont be focused as much so not as predictable

[thorny venture]

Just thinking it'd be tougher for enemy to predict when they happen

[devout frost]

but its not like ur standing still free casting to build up the AsP you need

[clear pulsar]

In rbgs you also get a lot more astral power

From dots

So more surges

[devout frost]

Aura Mastery into Convoke into kill 4 hunter pets and a totem

[thorny venture]

Ah. I haven't heard as much about dreambinder from pve perspectives and was hoping to get one that worked for both well.

[devout frost]

Dreambinder is the 2nd best ST leggo in pve

and u can still jsut craft both

so i dont see the issue

ranking up boat for pve is such an extremely minor dps inc. that i just crafted all my r1's first

[clear pulsar]

Glyph says yer

[thorny venture]

Eventually I suppose. I'm playing multiple specs.

[clear pulsar]

As he just dumped 5k soul ash into boat

[devout frost]

5k soul ash for .20% dps increase, EZ

[clear pulsar]

If you're doing m+, circle outsims boat in aoe

[devout frost]

in extended aoe

[clear pulsar]

Raiding is dead

[devout frost]

who pushes keys beyond +15

[thorny venture]

Circle requires me to raid, eww

[clear pulsar]

You're not even on last boss bro sdfu @vestal citrus

[devout frost]

esp when +15 isnt even hc lvl

[stray sigil]

imagine not being on denathrius

[devout frost]

i mean if u play casually u can craft whatever

[stray sigil]

u dont have to have a job

[devout frost]

'rona took our jerbs

[clear pulsar]

Anyway point being BoaT isn't this undisputed bis in pve either

Circle and AP are situationally better

[devout frost]

it was prenerf

postnerf there is a place for pulsar

but mostly if ur pushing keys

[thorny venture]

That's why I'm trying do hard for 1800, to get all that yummy 220 conquest gear to fill in gaps while waiting for m+ cache loot

[devout frost]

so ur planning to be geared by easter?

[thorny venture]

Fill in gaps. I'll be getting loot from the cache too

[chrome panther]

2pces a week on avg assuming vault doesnt fuck you

or like 1.7 pieces whatever

[clear pulsar]

I just like being here cuz seev glyph and the resto experts make me feel like less of an asshole

Thank you guys much love

[chrome panther]

woops

BAD WORD FILTER

[devout frost]

i like being here because i get told off if im hostile in balance chat

[clear pulsar]

Makes sense

[chrome panther]

just be lucky redacted and get wep from vault = gg

[clear pulsar]

That's why you're here so often

[devout frost]

mate then u havent seen balance chat

[surreal heron]

consider yourself blessed

[devout frost]

[clear pulsar]

'It's not character vs character, it's player vs player goddammit fuck em hoes'

[tiny oar]

I am blessed ty thyme

[thorny venture]

I'll take a weapon next week if offered, otherwise I'll just buy the polearm. It'll be a 6 ilvl upgrade even if I stay at 1600

[stray sigil]

i like being here cuz i have my fangirls

[devout frost]

@surreal heron good musictaste

[stray sigil]

@lime light @obtuse ice

[clear pulsar]

Stop flirting with my man @devout frost

[surreal heron]

[devout frost]

sorry i dont talk to 2.1kers

[clear pulsar]

You wot

[devout frost]

hence why i dont talk to myself

[clear pulsar]

Gotem

[hasty dome]

Dreambinder over boat, even for kyrian?

Sorry, all you tend to see is night fae lol

[devout frost]

where are u looking

[hasty dome]

Pvp and pve leaderboards

So dreambinder allow an extra starsurge or just good for the +10% dmg x 2 for 5 seconds

[devout frost]

dreambinder is the higest burst leggo

allows u to have 5 SS in your window

[hasty dome]

Big oof

No need to crit I guess

[devout frost]

crits are rng

[hasty dome]

Balance potency conduits seem lack luster. One go well with dreambinder?

[devout frost]

the CA one

[hasty dome]

Ty

[tiny oar]

I am ur fangirl too 🥰 merry Christmas

[stray sigil]

😳

merry xmas brothers

[hasty dome]

So starsurge double dips the fury of the skies bonus?

[weak dove]

Hey guys, sorry for the noob question but I’m interested in getting into 3s with a rogue and shadow priest, where should I start my research?

As resto

I have the resto heroic wep but would also consider other specs (priest goes disc) if you think that’d be smarter

[stone nest]

3s are more of a challenge for resto. Discs do very well.

[silent brook]

Playing 3s with a priest and ret paladin as boomkin. Every matchup against a ww monk + melee DPS feels like an instant lose. What can we do to deal with the constant pressure?

Feel like I can't get a single cast off and my health drops to 20% within the first 2 GCDs

Ok, should my team be trying to peel during that or pressuring?

Ok

Good advice

Yeah thats how my last one felt, everytime I popped out, I could only surge to try for a kill, or use instants. Anytime I cloned was instant kicked basically

Yeah

[small storm]

best boomy 3s comp?

[silent brook]

Is charge better than renewal? Seeing a lot of people recommend the heal

[tiny oar]

Np bro lol

[clear pulsar]

Boomie / X / Y is pretty strong

[small storm]

LOL

[clear pulsar]

Can't wait to xfer horde bro you're gonna run so many dgs with me

[dim shard]

Can you save Observing Arenas quest turn in for weekly rollover on Tues?

Thanks

[tiny oar]

Dungos 🤢

[clear pulsar]

@tiny oar you ready for double druid?

[gloomy token]

yo how is necro gang in pvp

[clear pulsar]

my main's back night furry

Adaptive swarm needs to idk explode on bouncing or smth

[stray sigil]

having to q with face

oof i feel for u

[clear pulsar]

Wtf

Bro why you coming at me like that

What a hater

[unreal sand]

Any 2k+ ferals wanna share which legendary they use

[tiny oar]

Ya my boy f2f pumps

Most r going symmetry @unreal sand

[unreal sand]

Wow that is foul. It's like the important part of beserk on a 30 or less second cooldown lol

[small storm]

weird started qing feral spriest hpal

and won every game

[shadow dagger]

what strat u use

dot up everything and cc a lot?

[unreal sand]

Yeah same for me lol

[shadow dagger]

or try to ST down one

[quick birch]

Whats f2f?

Ty!

[stray sigil]

a jajaja

all u need to know

[quick birch]

What's the best 2v2 partner for a feral in your opinion? 🙂

[shadow dagger]

disc priest

[quick birch]

thanks alot 🙂

[clear pulsar]

I legit play 5 games with each lego they all same same

Dont matter

[tiny oar]

Ya just fucking bite ppl

[clear pulsar]

But yeah symmetry nice all the time

[tiny oar]

Bean hit my ww for a 17k bite the other day was fucking nuts

[clear pulsar]

Get dunked on

Thats what u get not qing with another druid

[tiny oar]

Xd

[clear pulsar]

Or not running oath

[tiny oar]

Feral rdruid lowkey ripper comp

[shadow dagger]

in 3s should feral go guardian or resto affinity

[clear pulsar]

I'd default to guardian affinity, but resto is cool too, vortex in particular is great, while incap roar sometimes is barely worth anything

[hardy cargo]

Guardian affinity is cracked but i also might be overgeared

[clear pulsar]

Guardian affinity is great

[hardy cargo]

Im resto though

[clear pulsar]

Eh poosy shit for resto

[hardy cargo]

Just played against MM/Frost and they just couldnt kill me

Ik but 😦

[shadow dagger]

against double melee is strength of the wild > thorns?

for 3s feral

[clear pulsar]

One is a defensive talent, the other does damage

Idk i take both tbh

[shadow dagger]

you drop ferocious wound in that scenario?

[clear pulsar]

No never dropping fero wound in my life

Its insane

Maybe I would with LI Necro Circle if they buff Necro

But not with any regular setup

[dense oxide]

is feral aff or gardian aff better for resto in 2s?

[hardy cargo]

I run guardian against high burst enemies, feral if its against another healer/dps

But thats my personal preference lol

[stone nest]

Both are good. Play style changes a lot. Guardian is mitigating and feral is avoiding. Just do whatever you think is the most fun.

[hardy cargo]

I just got bursted by a kyrian dh and didnt die, fun experience

P sure it was kyrian anyways

[clear pulsar]

Kyrian's a sigil on the ground

[hardy cargo]

ok

Whichever one does

Half your health in one cast

[stray sigil]

the hunt

nf

[languid knot]

What conduits are people taking as feral?

[rigid linden]

Taste for blood

[languid knot]

Not conflux of elements for night fae?

[hardy cargo]

thank you

[languid knot]

I have
Conflux of elements
Carnivorous instinct
Taste for blood
What 2 should I go for?

[weak dove]

@vestal citrus would you recommend feral or boomie with disc/rogue

Fasho I’ll give boomie a shot thanks

[languid knot]

@vestal citrus do you have a answer to my question?

Cheers anyways

[clear pulsar]

Conflux is good but honestly sometimes overkill!?

I mean it can net you a potential kill on a half cast that wouldn't have finished maybe!?

But Convoke if it goes off will kill anyway

I think you'd do better with double endurance right now than double potency

If you have purple WHI + Innate Resolve

@languid knot

Conflux is good tho you can take Taste + Conflux

[alpine matrix]

boomkin pvp is the prio vers mast or vers haste? or is pvp about simming as well?

[safe heart]

Anyone have any tips for beating resto shaman comps? it seems like no matter what, resto shaman carries the game and we cant seem to outplay them

idk much about their class but they seem crazy sturdy

[lime light]

Purge jump purge jump riptide jumpe purge

Foking ape

[oblique wharf]

We dont k ow if there is a torghast rotation do we?

Would like skoldus next week

[safe heart]

no i mean like im feral druid trying to beat resto shaman zug comps

[forest kite]

Ye enji i have issues the most with rest sham atm

[oblique wharf]

Has anyone bought the 1 hander and off hand instead of saving for two hander?

[tiny oar]

I got 1 hander from chest so just bought the offhand for 400 conquest ya

[safe heart]

just seems like resto shaman is so fucking hard to kill in general but not going on shaman just means infinite heals for the dps

[oblique wharf]

Two hander is only a bit more int right

[tiny oar]

They should be equal amounts assuming same ilvl I think

[tepid spoke]

Equal primary stat equal secondaries

Better optimization on mh oh at least for boomy

[oblique wharf]

Catch me buying that this week, or maybe after reset

[rancid pebble]

How’s resto Druid / survival hunter doing currently

[oblique wharf]

When i played hunter i enjoyed playing with a good resto druid

But i found that rdruids need to be quite good to compete, where as a half as good disc or hpal would do just as well if not better

This was for the first 2 weeks of SL, 1900s bracket 2s

[dim heron]

Does have feral and boomy the same Stats needed?

[ashen imp]

Vers mastery is pretty good for balance as well if you are looking to onetap

[thorny venture]

If Disc is truly easier, I guess I'll be levelling my priest eventually, but rdruid doesn't feel that bad. It's easier to keep myself up than someone else.

[oblique wharf]

The thing about rdruid is they gotta be good at contrilling the game with CC

Healer attrition wont win againt disc's damage, rshamans limitless mana pool, and hpal CDs

[tiny oar]

Actually out damped an rsham team the other day as rdru was wild shit

[oblique wharf]

Its possible, since rdruid can get drinks off ez

He was probably spam purging too

[tiny oar]

In 2s that is, 3s is another story

[tardy hare]

I outdamp shaman teams as prot feral

:)

[safe heart]

any tips on that machtig? im mostly doing 2s with prot pal / feral

[tiny oar]

Disgusting tank gamer raccoon @tardy hare

[tardy hare]

Hey im not the prot!!!

[tardy hare]

Keep the pressure

Prot pala should heal a ton

Prot papa with judgement legendary

So many heals

He doesnt need to be close either

Just need to stay alive

Idk thats all i know for now

Not done too many games as it yet

But planning to spam some after christmas/the weekend

[charred escarp]

if im kyrian should i be linking to m yself?

[lime light]

Ye pretty much u dont need anyone

Just yourself

Same irl

🤚

Sadge

[tardy hare]

[obtuse ice]

@stray sigil iamnoturefangirl

[languid knot]

As feral what 3 pvp talents are people taking?

[lime light]

f wound / thorns / leader of the pack / str of the wild

savage momentum

thorns vs donki kongs - melees

str of the wild whenu need offheals

or u playing guardian affinity and u know they gonna train u

f wound always

savage momentum vs full caster teams if u feel like

leader of the pack higher value in 3s

if u are playing with hunter

so the value is bigger since pet and the hunter

heals from it

[obtuse ice]

But if u are bear 24h/7

[languid knot]

I'm normally f wounds leader of the pack then alternate the other 3

[lime light]

i dont value that high leader anymore

i thinl str of the wild is insane also

but leader is good yes

if u rly struggle vs boomkin and dying in root boom

u can play freedom roar

[languid knot]

So would you by default be f wounds Str of wild then thorns or savage momentum?

[lime light]

so u can roar every 2nd root beam

[languid knot]

Like I mean what 2 would you normally keep

[lime light]

i almost never play savage momentum, cuz i dont like it that much

but its good talent

f wound always

vs mix melee caster

str of the wild and thorns/leader depends what melee it is

vs casters leader and str of the wild

i can see high winds being good

if u play jungle

vs turbo

[languid knot]

Okay thank you

[lime light]

remember one more thing

thorns are also rly good

to cleave the pets

like hunter's pets or lock pets

lock has one insta summon with 3 min cd

and hunter have to cast for a while

to resummon a pet

[lime light]

u dont like sl?

[coral sandal]

so if you are trying to swap back to a covenant that you were previously in you need to wait a reset right. is it possible to sit on the quest completed to go back that way you can swap back whenever you want? if that makes sense
like if i was kyrian and went night fae, and i wanna go back to kyrian in the future, can I sit on the quest completion that way when I do swap I don't have to wait until reset

[median jasper]

is balance or feral easier to get into in pvp?

[clever knoll]

Balance

[devout frost]

@coral sandal you can sit on it, its the recommended way

[barren valve]

Is 184 with versa better than 213 with no versa?

[thorny venture]

Depends on the slot

[languid knot]

@lime light I have
Conflux of elements
Carnivorous instinct
Taste for blood
What 2 should I go for?

[thorny venture]

Lol, reddit thread complaining about double Boomie and hpal

[barren valve]

How does it depend? Cause I have multiple items like that, gloves legs, neck

[tropic schooner]

I'd say with that ilvl difference it doesn't depend

And you always chose ilvl

[thorny venture]

Even on a neck or ring?

[tropic schooner]

It's still stamina

Which scales with your Vers too

And like 30? ish secondaries difference

[clear pulsar]

Bro this guy asks the same questions 3 times a day

I cant

[lime light]

monkaS

[obtuse ice]

SL isn't great pvp wise

But since wow is pve game it's oki

[tropic schooner]

Shadowlands PvP is sick for a first season

Prolly most balanced first season I personally experienced

There are also issues to fix, ofc not perfect and several last seasons were better

But this is promising

[vital sail]

How do you guys counter destro locks as feral?

These cb's are absolutely melting me

[tropic schooner]

There are destro locks out there?

Thought they all are affli

[vital sail]

Eh just in bg's mostly

[obtuse ice]

Pvp totally unbalanced

Never seen so much shit like that

[vital sail]

10k chaos bolts through barkskin is fine, what do you mean lol

[obtuse ice]

Ret war ww rogue

Not even close from balanced

[tropic schooner]

I'd say it's pretty close

Sure ww warrior Esperanza are overtuned

[vital sail]

Can't always kick them

[tropic schooner]

Some offheals are too

Don't engage him if you can't stop him

Firemage ele prolly also need a bit of a nerf

Especially the shield legendaries

Legendary

I like the speed

I like dumb oneshots as long as they are rare

If they are consistent that's an issue

But losing or winning a game in 100 due to getting oneshot out of nowhere personally I think it's fun

[obtuse ice]

Shit gear

Because people spam pve

[tropic schooner]

PvP gear is very good

This gearing system is probably a bit too strong

[obtuse ice]

I'm full pvp and I have like 26 27k

[tropic schooner]

The weapons at least

[obtuse ice]

Some people have 33k already

[tropic schooner]

What's your ilvl?

[obtuse ice]

Uhh 189 I believe

[devout frost]

why u so low wtf

[obtuse ice]

Full pvp gear

[tropic schooner]

Well that's really low

[thorny venture]

I'm doing pvp purely for pve gearing reasons

[tropic schooner]

Even for PvP geae

[devout frost]

did u not get 226's in ur box

[tropic schooner]

Full 184s + at least 2 vault ones

[thorny venture]

213 gear each week, 220 if I can get 200 more points

[tropic schooner]

May be exactly that I guess but you would save for weapon

[devout frost]

imo its better to wait for weapon in your vault

since it will always be better than what u can get from vendor

[tropic schooner]

Don't think so

[thorny venture]

I will gladly grind 550 conquest each week an upgrade a piece

[tropic schooner]

It's not better

[devout frost]

wep is 233

[tropic schooner]

It's the same

[devout frost]

from vault

[thorny venture]

What weapon is 233?

[tropic schooner]

If you are 2.4

Sure

[devout frost]

ye

[tropic schooner]

But you can upgrade vendor stuff too

To 233

[devout frost]

true

but long time

[tropic schooner]

Why long time?

It takes honor

Not conquest

[thorny venture]

Honor is stupidly fast

[tropic schooner]

Yea my priest is honor capped

[thorny venture]

Like I blows my mind how fast honor is.

[tropic schooner]

Nothing to do with it

Until I buy weapon next reset likely

[thorny venture]

I hope I get a weapon in my cache from m+. I'll fill in slots I haven't gotten upgrades in yet with conquest hah

It makes some mad that pvp gearing is so good, but I'd rather pvp gear be good than bad

[devout frost]

pve gearing is good too

would be better without personal loot

but blizz already said they wont remove personal loot

[tropic schooner]

I do think the 233 weapon from PvP that early or at least possibility is a bit dumb

[thorny venture]

Gear does help for sure. I can tell in 2s when I'm facing someone with good weapons

[devout frost]

my friend got it first vault

[daring wave]

Best suggestion for balance legendary for RBGs atm? I feel like Balance of All Things is not quite doing what I need it to do, aka burn down enemy healers in 5 seconds.

[devout frost]

dreambinder

[icy rock]

Sorry for such a silly question, but which water can be used in arenas? The oribos inkeeper’s water isn’t allowed.

[thorny venture]

It does

Mana only

Can't use the pomegranates

[icy rock]

Ah, gotcha

Thank you!

[thorny venture]

Ambrosia I think it's called

[devout frost]

no pomegranates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlI8r3nNUVw

[icy rock]

In SL, can I still do the thing where I got cat, start drinking, and then stealth?

Go cat*

[rancid sundial]

who are good druid streamers to watch? resto or boomie. I tried watching Supa but he was depressed and it was painful to watch 😦

[queen drift]

Resto I love watching Markers

Great dude, super fun to watch and comments his gameplay so you can learn!

Minpojke also is cool to watch

[rancid sundial]

sweet, thanks

[tiny oar]

flop n metaphors also good

[lime light]

also some kid Lakerz

pretty good

for being aus

tho

[rancid sundial]

thanks guys

markers makes me want to switch to night fae 😦 but I'm assuming convoke will get the big nerf

[lime light]

if u are 2s player

go for nf

[terse orbit]

anyone has a link or something for some goods balance macros?

[hollow vale]

is there still a macro for powershifting or does it not work anymore?

[tiny oar]

do not watch me for educational purposes i am a donkey 🙂 also not oceanic xd

[devout frost]

watching lakerz is great for educational purposes

just do the complete opposite and u will climb really quick

[tiny oar]

rofl ya

[lime light]

lmao

[tiny oar]

if ur watching streams to learn it should b from a multi r1 and even then sum of em kinda sus

(depending on who u ask)

[lime light]

multi rival

thats the juice

[tardy hare]

Imagine playing prot feral

U fight WW/x or arms/x

And they dare to whisper you

Xd

Disgusting filth

[tiny oar]

actually so gross lol

if i queued into u guys i would just leave the arena instantly just to not have to deal with that horseshit

[tardy hare]

Just be grateful its feral prot

Instead of prot arms

Or prot ww

Absolutely disgusting classes

[tiny oar]

ya we got arcane ww in NA absolute clowns

nothing ever dies

[glacial belfry]

2s

[tardy hare]

Prot pala is fucking ridiculous

But then again

Hpal and rsham dont cast either

: )

Priest just presses mindgames

Gg

[vital parcel]

I played boomie with prot ret yesterday, pressed convoke and won

[tiny oar]

insane

[tardy hare]

Kinda annoying aswell

Am hella lazy

Only meeting people 30k+ hp

Meanwhile im sitting 26.9 still xd

[thorny venture]

Mind games actually doesn't bother me.

[tardy hare]

Damage feels lackong

[tardy hare]

Its irrelevant with a healer

Cause you can just get rid of it

[thorny venture]

Doesn't seem to affect me in bear form

[tardy hare]

We cant dispell it

[heady fog]

mind games irrelevant with a healer, pepega

[tardy hare]

They press mind games during damage

[tardy hare]

dispell

Its far less dangerous with a healer

We're just locked out of healing for 5 sec while they go big dick

[heady fog]

it is, but any good team will either use it during cross cc or when your healers dispel is on cd

[tardy hare]

Yes

Good for them

[heady fog]

so its still one of the absolute best covenant abilities in arena atm

[tardy hare]

Yes

Just way easier to deal with

[heady fog]

i agree, i started arguing about the irrelevant wording 🙂

[tardy hare]

Irrelevant was obvious overstatement

[crystal heron]

any high rated boomies able to msg me so I can pick their brains 🙂

[heady fog]

what is high rated to you 😛

[thorny venture]

Makes me want to level my dark Iron priest cause he was going to be my Venthyr clothie regardless

[lime light]

1550+

[crystal heron]

like 2.1k+ ?

[tall compass]

Is there a possibility to makro your moonfire that it hits grounding totem if a grounding totem exists?

[lime light]

no

[tiny oar]

i did that for tendies last ssn

fun times

[tall compass]

in pve Im fine cause I got a rotation in my mind and got a feeling for the ap bar in my sight, in arenas I caught myself yesterday often overcapping while still having 10-20sec left till I go for the kill-attempt, anyone here got a weakaura that alerts when overcapping AP? Something that just screams in my face

feeling like I lost a lot of damage and pressure there cause ive been looking at different things than my ap bar in those messy fights

[stray sigil]

kid @lime light

[tiny oar]

lol get rekt ruski

[remote cave]

BOAT still best for Boomy?

[brave shuttle]

How bad is running NF for resto PVP?

I’m trying to find a decent balance between pve guardian/feral and pvp resto/feral

[loud moss]

I think it’s okay cos it’s versatile and I was an advocate of it but I have since change over to Necrolord for Resto

I feel like in pretty much every arena I’m getting more out of Swarm than I would out of convoke

Since it almost never goes off all the way

[thorny venture]

I love swarm myself.

It works on Frenized Regen too

[loud moss]

That being said Necrolord isn’t that good for PvE Guardian/Feral so while I haven’t tried it on resto pvp I’d say Kyrian might be the convent you’re looking for with those specific specs

[thorny venture]

Necrolord is perfectly fine for Guardian.

Feral and PvE resto are the ones that like NF the most I think.

[loud moss]

Ye but from what I gathered is worse than the others for Feral pvE again tho that depends on what you want to do in PvE and what level u want to do it at