ah lmao
#pvp
obtuse ice
If you have time to rip ennemies
instead of healing yours
then yhea you can lmao
but I relaly don't think
obtuse ice
you'd have time for that lmfao
chrome panther
plus symmetry combos are fucking nuts
obtuse ice
yhea as heal ofc
forest kite
Primal wrath?
chrome panther
if they clump i guess
forest kite
Symmetry is on demand
Random ferocious bites is consistent maybe more dog
Out of like 15 of the top feral druids Ive seen 14 with sym eye and 1 with apex
forest kite
You know what, i really like these covenant things
Its so cool to have people actually play the same class and make different choices that have some meaningful impact on the game
And legendaries
forest kite
Mye sure not everything is perfect but
Apex might not be the first choice for most because we all love our holy grail of “on demand burst”
Doesnt mean it cant work, maybe with a warrior playing condemn, i can see the consistent pressure getting really really high
Or in a rot comp
weary valley
Symmetry still best feral legendary?
wary quiver
hey there, i was curious what the best legendary for resto druid was going to be. i've heard mixed messages, or is resto going to have like 5 different ones for different situations?
obtuse ice
It's like 15 sec apex
heavy cairn
what legendary for feral pvp?
livid wasp
the enrage debuff you get from doing current pvp is pretty intense
heavy cairn
symmetry bis?
livid wasp
symmetry is considered bis at the moment yes
chrome panther
hey there, i was curious what the best legendary for resto druid was going to be...
verdant infusion or oath
junior plover
hey there, i was curious what the best legendary for resto druid was going to be...
Verdant generally seems to be the best
but something like circle or sephuz or even oath can be good
ripe maple
Any suggestions as how to counter a lock? I'm getting destroyed in Skirmish vs SP/Lock 😦
remote cave
Just hope you can burst with Convoke
chrome panther
As what spec?
ripe maple
I might just give up pvp all together I just suck at it period
Got destroyed by sub rogue and surv hunter, I just coundlt do nothing, seem like bear form and friendzy was doing dog shit combined with barkskin
I would assume that my stats are decent for an early xpac
carmine berry
Eye of Fearful Symmetry is considered best for feral pvp? or overall feral?
obtuse ice
pvp
subtle thistle
with verdant infusion can you cast swiftmend without a HoT on the target?
subtle thistle
it says it no longer consumes one
obtuse ice
no it doesn't
aye
That's interesting
Well I think it would be weird that you need a hot
just like being in combat or still
idk
subtle thistle
I hope so, the top two healers atm both have an offensive purge
keen vault
I Believe it requires a hot
obtuse ice
yhea would make more sense
keen vault
it simply says it doesn't consume the hot
obtuse ice
yhea
keen vault
also I saw cdew messing around with it and he was complaining about it not working
subtle thistle
oof. Hopefully they fix it before the ardenweald world boss is up
obtuse ice
Fix?
blissful cosmos
silly question i guess, hows resto druid in 2s and 3s lookin?
keen vault
It is probably intentional
blissful cosmos
im a monk healer that converted to druid recently
obtuse ice
why did you converted
subtle thistle
@blissful cosmos with the amount of control we have, we'll be solid in 2s
in 3s purge spam is going to be a problem since swiftmend is our low cd burst heal
though NS regrowth heals for a ton
and yeah monk is easily the worst pvp healer right now, sorry 😦
obtuse ice
yhea
vital hornet
Any resto druids in arena thinking night fae may be better for the amount of burst damage classes are putting out rn?
blissful cosmos
@subtle thistle the legendary situation is kinda wonky with druid
chrome panther
I'm NF purely for blink and cheeky feral aff hotw one shots
chrome panther
I think we're in a solid spot based on throughput and mobility alone. When burst gets nerfed a bit I think we'll be tier 1
junior plover
the moment they switch to your dps
you blow them up
even if they go back to you to interrupt
chrome panther
Btw play resto/arms/spriest for free wins
subtle thistle
warr is really nice for slowing the pace of the game
I wonder if intervene will remain 6 seconds of redirection though
junior plover
I found holy priest really good actually if you can protect them
pair with ret pala or ww monk
teal violet
in pvp, BGs for example, is it worth downgrading Mythic dungo gear for ranked pvp gear for the vers?
junior plover
in pvp, BGs for example, is it worth downgrading Mythic dungo gear for ranked pv...
sometimes yes but the stam loss is massive
depends on spec a lot
subtle thistle
maybe I'm getting lucky, but a lot of my mythic pieces already have vers on them
thorny pawn
Think im going a bit overboard with the haste / vers. Thoughts on 4% mastery in pvp ?
chrome panther
🤷 how's it feel? I'm rocking 18haste 10 vers and 9 mast, but 10 ilvl higher and the only thing giving me issues now are drest rogues with Master assassin legendary
thorny pawn
Well, i like it since i was playing 20 haste / 20 vers in Bfa ( mostly 2s' ). Im just not sure 15%+ is worth it yet, can't really tell the difference between 15 and 19 to be honest
i think it might be too much if you go bear even though healing is still really decent
spring scarab
how's feral feeling this season?
small storm
formy what team u playing with
spring scarab
how's utility/survivability @rigid linden chief?
blissful cosmos
whats the legendary situation with resto druid in arena?
tiny oar
Verdant infusion swiftmend extends hots @blissful cosmos
blissful cosmos
oh boy world boss drop
rigid linden
ill play whatever i feel liek tbh
maybe q some FMP with wealthy and oxy
big pumps
we shall seee
orchid rock
what about the double lifebloom for rdruid 3vs?
i feel like with both melee cleave and spell cleaves it’ll be good
obtuse ice
@rigid linden is even skirmishes releveant for your 
rigid linden
Nah I don't even do skirms
Got 10k honor saved
Rather just chill and then pump when arena comes out
obtuse ice
aye
You'll see in time what runs nice
You'll still manage to do it anyway ahha
Honor will soon be useless
stone nest
Holy hell. Just did 500k healing in a 3s and probably 400k of it was on myself
Running for my life
tiny oar
Sounds about right yo
frank crown
Does convoke hit stealthed targets if in melee range? Wondering if I can meld it against other ferals
stone nest
I don’t either
But I’m no pro
I wouldn’t press it if I didn’t know where everyone was though
forest kite
when do healers become useful in pvp
tiny oar
They're useful right now buddy
stray sigil
koukis bis]
forest kite
what covenant/leggo for feral?
spiral jacinth
how to survive vs sub rogue in 2s as feral? i usually die before i can ursol+ soul shape away, i die if i trinket+survival instinct+thorns and stay in, idk what else to do 171 il full enchant
stone nest
how to survive vs sub rogue in 2s as feral? i usually die before i can ursol+ so...
Well honed conduit
soft fjord
anyone else having a hard time surviving into other melee?
stone nest
I feel like the only one that really gives me trouble besides living through an opener from a rogue is a warrior. They just put soooo much pressure on you.
rigid linden
Does well hones still work if I'm Resto affi
stone nest
It works in any form at any time from what I’ve seen.
hazy thistle
vers mast or vers crit for feral pvp gearin? or a mix of the two?
stray sigil
@rigid linden yes
spec doesnt matter
but theres a bug(?) with it rn if u proc it in caster and shift into any form it remvoes it
dense edge
Im really strugling as resto right now 😦
winged yoke
hey guys, whats the priority stats for resto in pvp?
tiny oar
Vers most important stat atm, haste and mastery both good, crit is garbonso
faint schooner
What is the best resto legendary for pvp?
spring scarab
@tiny oar just want to say thanks for staying in here and helping us all out with our questions
tiny oar
Verdant infusion swiftmend extends hots @faint schooner really good for dealing with the sustained dmg that's happening atm
faint schooner
Greatly appreciated my friend!
dense edge
have any good resto druids been streaming arena since release?
balmy sparrow
Who can i contact to fix a malfunctioning Druid spell
tiny oar
Flop n minpojke are prolly the most consistently streaming rdruids atm @dense edge
balmy sparrow
Does anyone have cdews phone number I will pay him to complain about this
tiny oar
Lol
tiny oar
@spring scarab yea I just wish we had a better qualified rdruid to help in here I'm just a glad.
Just repeating what the r1s/ glyph have been saying for bis setups for feral/resto as those two don't have pins for pvp atm.
spring scarab
@tiny oar it's harder than it seems to find some of this really important information bro thank you
simple crest
is double nightfae boomkin viable in 2’s
stealth in, mighty bash, incarn convoke, cya?
sinful canyon
is there any resource similar to the boomie pin for feral?
new to the class and wanna learn as much as possible
noble solstice
the invis rogue cheap shot kidneys and eats both your convokes
the shaman healer stuns both of you
its so easy to wreck channeled spells
tiny oar
@sinful canyon not atm no, I would just @ fuji or formy with ur questions here or msg them directly. Syfoxy is a good feral stream to learn from too.
sinful canyon
tyty
patent cradle
does sudden ambush do ok in pvp
im using conflux of elements and its pretty lit but it's only 145 ilvl
stray sigil
is sudden ambush the shred one ?
stray sigil
ya na not good
taste for blood the tf one or the convoke one if ur night fae
for the potency
sudden is a pve conduit very good in pve
patent cradle
yeah im using convoke one atm seems like the only good one on paper
stray sigil
yes
patent cradle
good shit
tiny oar
Damn I ain't got that one looks juice
manic arrow
Guys, what covenants are bis for boomie and resto?
exotic wolf
boomie kyrian for consistency. nfae for rngesus and more fun
resto goes necro for consisteny, nfae for rngesus and more fun
@manic arrow
exotic wolf
if you want a jack of all trades covenant I'd take nfae imo
manic arrow
exotic wolf
but if you only play dps and swap between boomy/feral I'd say go kyrian
manic arrow
Says it's the worst one sadly
stone nest
It’s not
manic arrow
Boomie with Necro is meh?
exotic wolf
where is this screenshot from lol
stone nest
Only reason people hate on convoke in pvp is it needs to be set up.
exotic wolf
exactly
he even says it in his guide
Due to Convoke the Spirits being a spell you have to cast, it automatically places the Night Fae as your worst covenant given that it can easily be countered by interrupts. It's also an unreliable cooldown as you cannot control which spells are used.
the second part i can agree with
the rng part
stone nest
Cast is a bad term. You can still move.
exotic wolf
but 4 seconds if you know they have no interrupts is pretty strong
you can still move
what do you want to focus on pvp wise? 2s, 3s? battlegrounds?
@manic arrow
manic arrow
I want to try rbg's as boomie, then I might switch to resto for 3s/bg's
Is it possible to change covenant later?
exotic wolf
with those in mind i'd take nfae
but do as you loke
like*
you can swap and catch up pretty quickly
later on
manic arrow
Okay, thanks a lot
tiny oar
@rigid linden wowhead says it can be bought with conquest so hopefully we get it next week.
patent dove
Night fae greatest ability not because it does the biggest numbers but because it‘s the most fun
keen vault
why don't I pick it? Because blizzards genius system is setup to punish you for switching by costing you progress
tiny oar
@patent dove also u get to hang out here 
keen vault
so instead of rewarding experimentation and trying things out, blizzard wants people to embrace some sort of class identity nonsense in the name of fun
rigid linden
Yeah i was chillin by the pool earlier waiting for my wildseed to hatch
for the hunt.
strange scarab
Hello, cannot find the answer anywhere, about the "memory of the elder druid" legendary : does it upgrade both your spec passive and your affinity spec passive? i.e. If you are resto druid with feral affinity, do you have both Ysera gift and Feline swiftness upgraded? thx !
keen vault
based on how its written, both
tiny oar
It should work on both yea
strange scarab
Thx guy. Based on this not-so-good-but-anyway-useful video, it works only of the spec passive : (see 1:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sz1c2LB6TU
In the video we can see the Feline swiftness up to 26% but the Astral influence is still 5 yards. It would be good to have a confirmation before any craft 😄
round geode
Bets on convoke being nerfed btw?
exotic wolf
@round geode
hm, I think they won't nerf it soon
They have other things on their radar where people are mad and complaining about.
e.g. sub rogue, mm hunter etc
The only chance I could see them nerf convoke is in a super big balance patch.
but when did they do something like that in the past? that was quite some time ago.
they probably nerf some and then watch before they nerf any more stuff.
tiny oar
Looks like it's working properly in that video, astral influence is baseline 3 yards for feral so 5 would be with the legendary effect added in @strange scarab
exotic wolf
and how do they want to nerf convoke. I don't see a good way where you don't make it a garbage covenant spell
maybe reduce the dmg aspect of convoke to 75% or sth. I dunno
round geode
Reduce number of spells, reduce amount of "high impcat spells" (or whatever they call it) , you name it
ye, they could just add a pvp multiplier to it
exotic wolf
that would overnerf it imo
reduce number of spells makes the rng feel way worse.
reduce amount of impact spells makes the rng feel way worse too
how do you keep the fun and cool aspect of this spell intact and not nerf it to be a useless one?
I only see a pvp multiplier that could maybe put it more in line
round geode
I mean i literally kill most people with half the channel time left
its still gonna be fun if they nerf it slightly
exotic wolf
well, I also had convokes where I thought "ok, that seemed like it did almost nothing..."
so it can go both ways
round geode
True, but thats a rare case for me
Guess we'll see once the season starts
i dont think its op, but it does seem frustrating to play against
exotic wolf
yep.
I personally really hope and would appreciate a really big balance patch for next week
at least there is some counterplay to convoke
there is other stuff you can't really counter
round geode
prolly the week after that, blizz is balancing for mythic raids nothing else 😄
did i hear you say rogue?
exotic wolf
I wouldn't dare to put this in my mouth 
I am so interested in the new arena season.
how it will shape out and how games will go.
at the current time I think it's going to be so bursty that you have to play comps that can take over a game as soon as it starts
Games where we don't control the game at the start we almost lose all of them
convoke has turned the tide in some but that was the only thing that gave us a chance to still win it
pressure is so high
round geode
I honestly love how with convoke you can play rmp style
safe heart
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Ursol's Vortex
/cast Mighty Bash
anyone know why ursols wont cast?
strange scarab
Looks like it's working properly in that video, astral influence is baseline 3 y...
Actually you'are right! I got confused by the Astral influence given by balance spec, with gives you 5 yards baseline. That leads to a pretty good legendary imo : imagine a resto druid with Ysera upgraded and 26% move speed? (and the HOTW of 10 seconds)
round geode
Resto doesnt get ysera upgraded right?
tiny oar
With that legendary it would be upgraded yea
Does it reset every match @rigid linden ? Sounds kinda wild
rigid linden
Idk if resets every match
strange scarab
Resto doesnt get ysera upgraded right?
To the best of my knowledge, yes it does.
sand spade
Convoke will feel even stronger when people have BOAT
haughty turtle
So what’s the scoop on crit now in SL pvp?
forest kite
Convoke is a lot of fun on boomie, also as ranged you’ve got a higher chance of setting it up so that you won’t be interrupted imho. It gives boomie a bursty feeling and it really is a ton of fun when you can pull it off (also the nf blink is very useful and op for flag carrying) - if not it can still force some CDs from enemy so it ain’t bad at all imho.
patent dove
I pray that convoke doesn‘t get nerfed because the strength of it will diminish with more people learning that you will need to counterplay it
If it gets nerfed now, it might end up really bad and unfun later
forest kite
Hopefully not, tbh most covenant abilities I tried on my toons are at least a bit broken. Depends on what kind of pvp they wanna have in SL... and how much people will whine ofc.
exotic wolf
they hurt themselves the moment they decided to implement a system that gives you something which alters the class spells.
if they would have made a spell that didn't dip into any of the existing spells a class has and make unique abilities that standalone for a class/spec they would have had an easier time to balance it
now they have the problem in how do you balance something that works completely different if you switch the class/spec without fucking up everything
they knew what they did. now all wait and see how things turn out.
expansion started really really good though.
So there is some hope 
forest kite
Overall I’m loving the expansion so far but you’re right, it’s a lot to balance.
lime light
obtuse ice
?
vale oasis
14k bite dmg stonks
forest kite
😄 it’s aight, I’ve been on my way there as long as I can remember
vale oasis
I found the night Fae covenant ability to be shit in pvp if ppl do have the braincells to cc it
Kyrian is da good shit
forest kite
Ofc - luckily many don’t and that’s the fun part. Not saying it’s top for climbing at all.
vale oasis
Second one looks like one of the pvp trinkets active ability
runic valve
what is best cov for resto or for feral? mainly arena
round geode
feral - kyrian or nf,
resto - necro
round geode
in high end arena or for fun random bgs?
for the latter, hotw and convoke feral is pretty fun
inner tree
devout frost
biggest issue for feral is that their best comp got a lot worse because of survival struggling atm @runic valve
blissful cosmos
Man I feel like I just instadie on resto druid rn but that could just be early arena gear shenanigans
devout frost
was it vs a windwalker
blissful cosmos
Mostly warrior udk but yeah windwalkers are pretty wild
Felt like a piece of paper among scissor happy children dude
devout frost
sounds like a good description of resto druid
dire pulsar
Which class is counter to feral in world pvp?
formal girder
Closest to a counter I'd say is a paladin - bubbles and physical damage immunity, with no ability for a feral to remove it, is pretty difficult to deal with
dire pulsar
Yeh I usually just run and reset when he bubble, also pala can do some burst too.
sinful canyon
any of u guys know stat prio for feral pvp?
formal girder
Vers, Mastery, Haste, Crit afaik
tardy hare
Vers mast
cloud kernel
is anyone here willing to play both pvp & pve content ? Whats the best legendary to take in this situation ? Can't decide my mind ...
sly meteor
you can craft multiple legos
cloud kernel
it won't cost any extra ashes ? i mean if you craft 2 leg, are you going to pay twcide the price to up them ?
last trout
What covenant would you go for when playing feral and resto - I only care about PvP.
cloud kernel
fae
vale oasis
Kyrian.
also i feel ya on the legendary part
i went for the 4% rip one, but i feel like it aint good for pvp, gotta craft another one :/
cloud kernel
well apex is dogsh for pvp so yeah
can't pass on Draught so i guess i'm going for it
forest kite
Pretty sure apex is better then draught
last trout
apex?
forest kite
4pct rip legendary the guys above are discussing
last trout
ah I see
ashen smelt
could someone tell me what these two icons are
Celestial's Guidance (weapon enchant) and Gladiator's Badge.
forest kite
That snupy kid has a vid where he tries draught with adaptive
vale oasis
problem is that we are having a burst meta atm
forest kite
It feels strange because it kinda turns bleed into a single target build is what i gatheted from it
vale oasis
i would say draught could be good
for 2v2s
but thats assuming u have the luxory to only focus one person
i think I'll take cat-eye for pvp, so i can insert one more bite to my burst with the extra energy 
cloud kernel
can"t understand in wich way apex can be good 2s or 3s regarding that the meta is riping down a focus in 30sec
vale oasis
or circle of life 🤔
weary valley
You never really focus one person, its always good in 2v2 to get bleeds on the other person while your bursting a main target.
forest kite
A guy posted a screen of his bite dmg with apex in 3s yesterday
devout frost
yeah ferals strong point is the bleed pressure
forest kite
I dont think it is atm
weary valley
I personally went symmetry and its really awesome.
forest kite
Symmetry is what nearly every r1 is running so yeah..
vale oasis
i mean, right now we have to burst as well
so u dont get much time for rip to tick >_>
cloud kernel
well i fell that bleeding everyone was the playstyle for several extensions, but SL seems like bursting down someone in 10sec
vale oasis
our bite deals up to 14k as well currently
weary valley
Still, you would need to rip both targets and its only 4%..
vale oasis
yea, i hate it, but dots are shit atm for pvp (at least in 2v2s)
weary valley
My bleed dots are pretty good for world pvp, go in to burst and re-apply bleeds and keep distance.
vale oasis
well, 2v2s end in 10~ seconds
open verge
@weary valley its especially shit because you cant upkeep the rip with just 5p bites anymore with the sabertooth nerf
cloud kernel
yeah
open verge
and soon enough everyone and their mom will remove bleeds
dwarves, kyrian, hunters every 15s
weary valley
True... but a 5cp bite is enough time to get full combo to reapply bleeds.
weary valley
Feral needs a large TLC
forest kite
Pff true, kyrians, feign death legendary, man dot classes are gonna suffer this expac
weary valley
Since so much can remove bleeds, make them do more damage
cloud kernel
shit is done bros
vale oasis
i do have a good one shotting build but
we are nowhere near as broken as sub rogues or MM hunters
aimed shot is totally broken
weary valley
Doesnt it have a cast time?
vale oasis
invisibility.
vale oasis
fae is meh imo, i never lost a match vs a fae feral so far
weary valley
Convoke>bite>ff>bite?
vale oasis
but i always save cc and anti cc for it tbf
but kyrian 15% bonus on yourself if u wanna just max out bite dmg is also quite broken
frank hawk
Anyone have an idea what legendaries resto druids are crafting early on?
open verge
how do you save trinket if you have to trinket zerk
im not opposed to switching to kyrian
but so far you can get great value of convoke, ez s1 push
tardy hare
i can kill your kyrian ass without pressing convoke anyway
vale oasis
come at meh
tardy hare
open verge
yeah as kyrian you have 1 go whereas nf you have two
cloud kernel
juste make them trinket with ur convoke saved and game is done if youre smart enough
open verge
yeah even if they trinket convoke id say its not terrible
weary valley
How can you get a trinket out of somebody?
tardy hare
bite it off their ears
weary valley
Before convoke?
strange scarab
Anyone have an idea what legendaries resto druids are crafting early on?
I dont know for other but I'm going Elder 🙂
cloud kernel
Just tried kitty cleave with a ret
tardy hare
u press ff
open verge
rake>rake or rake bash
tardy hare
u press bite
open verge
or maim
tardy hare
they're now close to death
forest kite
Its a good tool, you can force cooldowns, kicks and interrupts and you can fake cast it
Its fun to use
open verge
fake cast convoke 🤔
tardy hare
hell yeha
forest kite
And its alot better than pressing a button for some pct dmg which is boring
cloud kernel
wait you can fake cast convoke ?
tardy hare
no lol
open verge
no you cant
cloud kernel
XD
rich hill
What legendary would be best for RBGs on resto?
weary valley
What is fake casting?
forest kite
Well fake cast you can stop it early
open verge
why would you do that
forest kite
It still baits attention and gcds
open verge
id rather have it eat an interrupt and perhaps get a spell or two more
forest kite
Your thinking feral
open verge
ah yeah
forest kite
Im thinking resto
open verge
well then its a different story
open verge
right?!
tardy hare
we're talking big boy one bangs
open verge
all resto play feral convoke aff anyway 😄
open verge
why kid yourself bros
open verge
does convoke pump on resto feral aff?
tardy hare
supple plume
Hey for a NF Boomie what Lego could be good ? Sephuz seems kinda meh
forest kite
It does, at least, include elder druid with heart of the wild
supple plume
For pvp*
open verge
dont sephuz on druid plz
cloud kernel
yeah so back to feral legendaries, can"t understand who some ppl are going apex
open verge
i cri evrytiem
cloud kernel
why*
open verge
when people with great leggos pick sephuz
supple plume
That's why i'm asking
forest kite
R1 has that starfall and starsurge reduce each others cost
supple plume
this IS really shit leg?
open verge
It's okayish early on but loses value later
forest kite
But i dont knoe
open verge
I doubt youll notice 10% reduction much
so its pretty much stats
and you cant run rele then
forest kite
On an orc i would consider it
open verge
it doesnt stack
supple plume
For NF what could be good
open verge
its even worse on an orc
forest kite
On beta it did stack
open verge
it did?!
open verge
oof thats awesome
cloud kernel
anyone here knows if we will be able to craft several legendaries and saving the cost os ashes at the same time ?
open verge
im alliance tho so
@cloud kernel wdym saving the cost of ashes? each crafted lego costs ash
forest kite
I mean, i gotya, cant gice up vanishmeld anyway
open verge
eventually youll have enough to get multiple legs
cloud kernel
i mean if i have rank 3 legendary, will I be able to craft another one rank 3 freely ?
cloud kernel
because if not, we won't be able to both play pve and pvp content at the best level
cloud kernel
regarding that apex and draught are both bis in the 2 sections
open verge
I dont play to fap tho :/
tardy hare
why not
forest kite
I dont knkw where you get the idee draught is bis, but each its own build
open verge
@cloud kernel theyll have regular cost, nothings free
cloud kernel
tardy hare
draught is big shit in pvp
forest kite
Its a pvp channel, sims dont really explain the full story in pvp
open verge
I think he meant pve
open verge
yes
forest kite
I also doubt its dogshit, its just outshined by sym eyes
open verge
I'd either go curio or symmetry
weary valley
Sounds like a pve legendary
cloud kernel
yaeh 100%
so when apex is bis for pve content, and is not for pvp content. How can we go both content ? 🙂
weary valley
Duels
open verge
@cloud kernel youll get the dust eventually
forest kite
You makes choices Roska, or you make multiple lower level legendaried
tardy hare
3 fat fookin bites are gonna kill your enemy
cloud kernel
yeah that's the problem
forest kite
Its not really, its a bit if secondary stats, the legendary effect is unchanged
On 1 item out of your 16
open verge
I seriously doubt you'll lose a game because of that in pvp
forest kite
I agree, if the game comes down to 20 ilvl on 1 item, you probably gain more from watching a replay amd seeing what you did wrong
tardy hare
i'll lose hella games cause i tilt from useless stuff
open verge
I wont be able to afford 400k for r3 anyway lukl
weary valley
400k soul ash?!?
open verge
gold
formal girder
im crafting my own leather legendaries. I generally make my gold back from buying the mats, even make a profit, especially if I enchant the hide myself
they sell fairly decently
open verge
how would you assess the mats cost for these?
I dunno whats the overhead on that on AH generally
formal girder
they fluctuate a decent amount lately, but the shoulders stay consistent around 35k. When enchanted heavy callous hide was 7.5k, I made about 1.5k profit
I bought the base heavy callous hide for 3.2k a piece (at its highest point) and enchanted it saving a bit more
tiny oar
@rigid linden big bites will b ours soon brother dw
open verge
nicee
formal girder
but, considering the 10% ah cut, I generally at least ge the money back that I invested, which makes it relatively okay to level, so far
weary valley
How do you counter rouges? They usually come out of nowhere and burst me in catform.
weary valley
Even if i do, they trinket and open on me
formal girder
thorns will have them deal a lot of damage to themselves, and at leasst give you time to recover
weary valley
Bash>cyclone>heal>smeld stun?
formal girder
@tiny oar where are you seeing that?
open verge
conq vendor
tiny oar
from conquest vendor ya
obtuse ice
@weary valley cute pfp
weary valley
Thank you
formal girder
I didnt think it'd be available yet, no conquest is avalable yet i gues
weary valley
Anybody have a general idea of how easy conquest will be to get?
formal girder
as easy as it has been in the past I imagine - only difference being the vendor now, rather than the conquest cap in the dungeon tab
open verge
and question is if it's static or dynamic based on your rating from prev week
obtuse ice
Just like BFA
forest kite
Ath static confirmed?
obtuse ice
Like
you do arena until
you have the 3 item available to unlock
for the next week and that's it I believe
formal girder
there's always been a cap when conquest is a currency. There will be catch up mechanics too, if you don't play for weeks
forest kite
Im talking about the static part guys
obtuse ice
Wow ath you can do math
tardy hare
static CP gain
forest kite
I didnt know if it was gonna be static
tardy hare
open verge
right?!
tardy hare
let me be cooler with high rating = more cap
forest kite
Its been depending on your rating in the past
obtuse ice
crazy rn
open verge
yeah but now upgrading it depends on rating
forest kite
Wasnt upgrading done with honor
obtuse ice
yhea
open verge
if it's static then even if you jump in in week 10 you only lose the great vault rewards
vale oasis
obtuse ice
vale oasis
This is da wae
open verge
you know what's the way
open verge
tardy hare
open verge
why dont I have access to this shit
forest kite
Lolol
open verge
yeah...
weary valley
Chad convoke
obtuse ice
tiny oar
obtuse ice
open verge
dont worry, im sure youll do fine with venthyr
sly meteor
how will the ilvl of vault be determined if you do only the 3 honor things?
open verge
3 honor things?
sly meteor
the 3 item choices for honor points
open verge
pvp rewards are based on your highest rating
sly meteor
i see is there a list or still unknown?
sly meteor
2,1 will be hard in the first weeks I guess
primal granite
213 is heroic loot so i guess it should be more
or yeah the 1600 will give heroic that makes sense
open verge
yeah so 2,1 is 226
sly meteor
aight that seems managable
open verge
you dont need convoke to pump..
open verge
yeah might be
swift sphinx
how do i pump dmg in balance
open verge
just review what youve done
open verge
I dunno about boomie, I didnt like it, seems you have to build up shit and only pump every 3 minutes
swift sphinx
well its the same in cat but idk how to play cat so its normal
formal girder
an emblem and a medallion should be your first buy, if you havent
swift sphinx
i have
open verge
for their burst you use survival instincts and skin
formal girder
then it'll be harder to kill you as you get more vers gear
barkskin can be used while stunned
open verge
yes and no, the dmg grows almost proportionally
formal girder
thorns is very good against melee
yes, but vers increases your healing done too so offsets that
it's a general survivability increase
swift sphinx
yah
hollow junco
Balance is dots/thorns/bear w/e it takes to get to 100AP alive and then just badge/kindred/fury/CA dump surges
swift sphinx
damn PvP hard
swift sphinx
have any guide or stuff i could read to learn about it
i wanna play some pvp when rated drops next week
i can do well in resto (main spec) but i would like to play dps sometimes
formal girder
are you building crit, Ath?
formal girder
Imagine consistent full crit bites though
formal girder
places say crit is the worst stat for pvp, but I kinda want to try it
cloud kernel
playing 33% crit atm doing convoke > FB > feral frenzy > FB
one shotting evryone for now
formal girder
I've noticed bites come more frequently at the end of the cast
interrupts and stuns really mess you up
cloud kernel
yeah you need to avoid that 🙂
formal girder
the safest way is a maim
I imagine feral frenzy still tops bloodtalons in pvp since it's burst focused
cloud kernel
yeah especially since rip refresh was nerfed
weary valley
Ff has a crazy 6sec bleed
formal girder
I try for stealthed rake, thrash, shred to 5, Rip, FF, Maim, Convoke
maybe too complex an openener
umbral oar
how does survival instincts+barkskin stak? its a 60% reduction?
formal girder
it's still a solid bleed, no?
cloud kernel
well its like 45 energy consuming
if i can renember
and the dot is overwhelming af
under
formal girder
it's 40, the same as shred
and it applies more pressure and stacks bleeds for the bite conduit
huh... It never occured to me. FF applies a short bleed too
so we can get up to 12.8%?
weary valley
With the conduit, would applying trash be viable?
cloud kernel
yeah with this conduit its kinda viable
but without it and without BT, i'm not using it tbh
formal girder
I always kept thrash active in BFA as it was good then
not sure how it performs this expac
weary valley
I have muscle memory to apply thrash because of wild fleshrending lmao
remote cave
🙂
formal girder
ah, yes, that too
cloud kernel
yeah like the previous BT procs 🙂
weary valley
Dont think it was good in pvp, since you have to use a regrowth
cloud kernel
did ton of dmg when you used it wisedly to refresh rip on everyone
depend on the comp
weary valley
New bloodtalons just goes with the basic rotation
weary valley
Oh yeah..
formal girder
oh, and bloodtalons also scales with your mastery, which is the bis stat currently, so it seems good to keep it active at least
not bloodtalons, sry
thrash
formal girder
since mastery affects the potency of your bleeds
tardy hare
Old bt was very fine in pvp
cloud kernel
yup 😦
remote cave
What about Moment of Clarity for Pvp?
lime light
Dogshit
open verge
symmetry
weary valley
Symm
unique forge
Does anyone know what the deal with Memory of the Verdant Infusion is and when that boss will be available? How can i get to its location, and can i solo it?
lime light
@cloud kernel prolly tiger fury combo points after finisher
had no time this week, so gonna think about it now
cloud kernel
Draught is not viable ?
lime light
in 2s with necrolord
sure
otherwise, dont think so
i would say symmetry>apex=sephuz
cloud kernel
really apex ?
well like that 4% is dogshit
especially with the feral atm
wich is brusting down a focus
lime light
yes, but its a game changer
it doesnt matter how many times it proc, if it proce once, and u can one deag someone
think about it, this way
if u do 20% of other dps dmg, but u kill someone in a stun
who is better
but symmetry seems to be more consistent
most of the ferals went symmetry, i think only cassidy went apex
cloud kernel
mhmh ok kinda fair indeed
formal girder
I'm considering curio
formal girder
more energy and regen means more consistent damage, no
lime light
i have all of them waiting tho
no its not
u can do so many things
when u oom
in arena
u dont need that energy for now
i agree, if games are damp, longer ecc
energy can be good in this case
cloud kernel
i mean when ur platying atm are you really spreading ur bleeds on eveyrone in 3s?
lime light
but its jungle now
lime light
bleeds dont deal dmg
they are easly outhealed
before damp
in 2s it can work ofc
cuz u start wit h20% damp
and its already harder to outheal it
cloud kernel
ill try it indeed
stray sigil
buy token noob
lime light
stop bully
formal girder
you can get a guaranteed eternal crystal from the turtle rare in bastion. GIve that to your friendly neighbourhood enchanter
(once per character)
I have enchanting and leatherworking maxxed so I can sort most of my gear myself XD
lime light
i hate u too
unique forge
What enchant are you guys running? (i'm new to druid/returning to the game after a long time away)
echo canopy
Are there any resto druids?
Im Getting oneshotted by hunters, rogues, paladins, how do you play nowadays?
formal girder
healer has become significantly more difficult in pvp now because of the burst meta
you need to survive the burst basically
so vers, rejuv into bear form for survivability etc
also, I'd recommend endurance conduits over potency ones
the frenzied regen at 40% is very good for survivability
echo canopy
I even bought pvp trinker for health, maybe I should relace mythic gear for pvp gear, pieces with versa
But im 28k ho Tauren and hunter did 37k damage in 1 second
I cant react to this right
0,4 seconds basically
I have whole collection of these oneshots
lime light
ye, thats why pvp is not ready yet
thats normal for most of the classes
like sl feels soo good
but dmg in pvp have to be tuned down
but not till BFA damp lvl
echo canopy
Maybe paladin can survive this with bubble
But idk what should i do with druid
If I stay in bear im dead anyway the second I go out of form
Sometimes in bgs im trying as much as I can to heal people and they are just dying before I can cast 2 spells
unique forge
Yeah. It's taking the fun out of healing rn
dense edge
are you guys worried about resto in this expansion or should we end up being ok?
formal girder
there will undoubtedly be tuning over the course of the season
after all, there is a wow competitive bracket, and that would be shooting themselves in the foot
patent dove
Rdruid toolkit is hard to nerf to a state in which it‘s not „okay“ anymore. It would technically require blizz to make rdruid heal significantly less than other healers
So i think we‘ll end up okay
Now, being the best healer is an entirely different thing
devout frost
yeah rdruid will never be irrelevant cause high skillcap already
its just at some point it feels worthless putting in double the work for mediocre result compared to a mw
forest kite
from what i gathered, with the nerfs to disc, rdruid is tied on first place with disc
and mw are at the bottom
for whatever its worth, you know how these "tiers"go
fleet panther
which legendary do we want for feral pvp?
forest kite
sym eyes
fleet panther
is that the tiger fury finishing moves one?
forest kite
y
fleet panther
ty
open verge
has anyone crafted apex? im curious how useful you guys find it
formal girder
I've crafted it but only used it in pve so far
at the start I though the procs were too infrequent, but now it procs fairly consistently
fleet panther
is the cat eye one not great for pvp?
formal girder
The trick is to keep with your normal rotation for the most part and just use it when you get it, rather than saving for it
wraith lantern
Apex is more pve oriented . In pvp you depend heavy on RNG if you use it
lime light
cassidy did apex
forest kite
the rng is mitigated a bit if you get bleeds rolling on multiple enemies
has anyone tried primal wrath with apex legendary in 3s? with all these zoo classes and their 200 pets they could just be signing their own death
formal girder
the proc isn't that much more frequent, to the extent where it's "Gamechanging"
I've been using it in dungeons against, like, 5/6 enemies at a time
procs once every, 30 seconds maybe
forest kite
so there is an icd then, i guess it makes sense
formal girder
not sure if there is, 4% is just not a lot
dreamy epoch
forest kite
the master assassin legendary?
forest kite
i wonder how tuning is going to look
cobalt mauve
For feral not much has changed right? Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste is the standard?
cobalt mauve
Really? Weird
formal girder
though, I think I might still build crit
It's a burst meta, and high crit is good right now
cobalt mauve
Was looking to build out my PvP set alongside my PvE one and fill in PvE gaps with Vers/Crit pieces and hoping for more overlap
formal girder
but 100% crit for 4 seconds on rogue? that's rediculous
cobalt mauve
Was going to buy vers/haste for bear anyways but looks like I'll just have to grind out all of them
forest kite
i should really read up, i thought it was 150
open verge
they buffed it
forest kite
ic
dense edge
do most people incapacitating roar when switching into bear form? when getting trained
fleet panther
would boomkin pair well with disc priest in 2s?
fleet panther
ah
open verge
basically if people survive your 4 starsurges youre out of luck
fleet panther
maybe i'll feral pvp then with my healer
formal girder
what affinity are people using in arenas lately? I'm partial to guardian
open verge
feral disc will be strong
formal girder
since in order to proc swiftmend you need restoration on you already
open verge
as feral?
formal girder
yeah
open verge
most run resto
formal girder
even with the swiftmend changes?
formal girder
it's no longer instant - it's been reverted to the point where it consumes the restoration hot
so you need to cast 2 spells to get it going
formal girder
doesnt work, as far as I saw
formal girder
Rejuvenation is the one it implicitly states
lime light
lol
formal girder
maybe I'm crossing wires, I dunno
open verge
Consumes a Regrowth, Wild Growth, or Rejuvenation
forest kite
ferals use it with regrowth
would be terrible if they had to shift forms to rejuv swift
open verge
yeah 😄
open verge
its not hard to actually respec in the citi and test it out if you're ingame anyway, is it 🤔
formal girder
Guess my issue is I generally trust tooltips XD
open verge
maybe they dont trust you
formal girder
wouldn't be the first time
dense edge
should I incapacitating roar into bear most times when getting trained? or switch and then roar after?
formal girder
roar shifts you as part of the cast
open verge
you save gcd if you roar
dense edge
why im asking is it terrible to use roar as my main hotkey to switch into bear
and then have bear on a worse hotkey
formal girder
could make a macro to use roar if it's available, and otherwise swap to bear, if that's what you wanted
open verge
id just get used to having a seperate bind for all forms..
formal girder
I have my 3 forms bound to different mouse buttons.
formal girder
probably because it counts as a combination i guess
open verge
it normally doesnt
formal girder
I use scroll click, mb4, and mb5
open verge
scroll down - bear, scroll up -cat, shift scroll up - travel
formal girder
decent idea actually. I'd find it weird to not be able to adjust camera distance easily though
open verge
and I found scroll wheel to be decent binding material
@novel sky you cant do taht tho
bear is obviously down...
formal girder
fair, I could just bind it to ctrl scroll
open verge
its like shifting gears
formal girder
i mean, ath has a poin
novel sky
i see your point
forest kite
i use a button with modifiers for all forms.
open verge
up is fast, shift up is super fast!
formal girder
that's your supercharger
forest kite
scroll wheel is reservered
open verge
faster than light speed
forest kite
up mid down is arena 123
formal girder
zoom
forest kite
shift up mid down is focus arena 123
forest kite
arent you resto?
forest kite
its hard to get used to since its only used in 1 part of the game
same goes for my healing binds, button is me, shift button is party2, ctrl button is party 3
open verge
focus/arena123 for clone, bash, charge, interrupt?
formal girder
I used to click everything outside of 123456, until I started doing arena properly
open verge
reg/swiftmend for party
formal girder
In arena you can't afford to be slow
open verge
yeah i just have clone and interrupt on alt modifier for focus
forest kite
true but its not speed pers
perse
there is this really good way to compare, its with fighting games,
good players dont hitconfirm a super fast 3frame move on reaction
they know they are going to based on something the oponent did
forest kite
same in arena, those crazy shadowstep kick dance cheap teleporting rogues, they knew what was coming
indeed
i have a question though
how do you guys handle that soulshape ability? i have to add a cancelform to all my macros and that means i need an extra gcd to just get started again