hey guys
#pvp
obtuse ice
ok and what's the point?
formal wave
i think this is good info to know
sand spade
Thanks guys. Just started playing druid Warr in 2s, looking for UI / add-ons and gameplay to learn from. Will give them both a look
livid heart
As a horde druid, do you think its Tauren or bust for competitive arena? I just can't stand being a cow
faint mural
no
forest kite
Hey guys was wondering if feral druid loses to Ret or sub of equal skill/gear in duels ?
lime light
Mld is prolly the only op Comp in this season
Cuz rdru can drink whenever he wants to
north grove
lol im sorry
after i gave that info I went to sleep lollo
but as i was saying
im playing 2v2s with feral at 1800cr, running 3 JF + 2 heart of darkness and 1 iron jaw
using 5 versa3 corruption... outside arena i have 46% Versa, 53% mastery, 14% haste and 21% crit
with arena debuff I go to 38% versa
using drestagath and arena badge (Versa + chance to proc main stat)
am I doing something wrong w/ my gear?
coz I feel like sometimes i have so little damage, my bite does around 30k damage w/ over 25 energy, also i feels like I only have one great burst (encarnation + jungle fury + feral frenzy + breath of the dying + drestagath
and w/o encarnation i literally go low energy and struggle a bit w/ damage
clear pulsar
Bite at 50
Don't play incarn
Incarn doesn't do anything for your bite damage either
Play soul of the forest
But feral burst isn't super impressive. Your idea of how to do damage seem correct.
You should record your games if you're able to
Easier for people to point out where you're fucking up
north grove
makes total sense
ill try to see if my graphic card can record it coz i dont know how to capture videos on my screen XD
im also struggling alot to go over 1880
i know that its about practice
but if you guys could suggest some good channels to improve my pvp as feral or some base stuff that i must know to go over
id enjoy
I know people do coach stuff but i just dont have the moneys lol, they ask for 1 wow token, for over 200-300k but im new to this season
small storm
press bite, get iron jaws proc for your maim, maim the target, frenzy to 5, bite over 50 energy, press drest, press reap
then they are dead and u win
press clone on the other guy
press thorns when u see a rogue
versa bis
north grove
w/ soul of the forest or encarnation k of jungle?
encarnation seems better for huge burst tho
small storm
sotf never incarn
north grove
i see
small storm
it’s very reliable
the idea is usually multi bleed and every 45 sec when your FF is off cd u have a burst window
with the combo i said. maim cd 20 sec so u get a maim between each burst window
strength is from maim stun, bash stun, roots, clone, kick from a distance, wild charge jumping around... it all makes you difficult to deal with while you damage multiple opponents
north grove
im using only 1 maim proc tho
2 heart of darkness + 3 jungle fury + 1 iron jaw (maim)
is it ok? i thot jungle fury + hod was bis xd
saw some glads using it
inland ridge
Hey guys, for PvP im torn between running IJ or JF, can someone explain whats better and the playstyle around it
here is my armory if hyou have any tips for me : https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/barthilas/annabortion
currently 1.9k CR trying to get 2.1k, note i understand i should have versa amp corruptions however feral was my offspec to my raiding boomy spec hence the crit Severes
odd juniper
Also interested in that question
north grove
id also like to know about the pvp talents variation
im running thorns (meele dps), bite one, and cyclone
when casters appear, i go bite, leader of the pack and cyclone
lime light
Play leader every game
Cyclone better vs caster cleaves
That plays imp
Or spriest boom in general
If u are playing jungle
The talent Has insane value
U Hunter and his pet
Is healing from it
royal glen
is there any guides/sites were i can read about covenants for balance druid?
or anyone here got any tips on what to pick for balance pvp/arenas?
Yeah sorry for the dull question, trying to find some on my own but can only find pve discussions about it.
Ty Glyph 🙂
sand spade
I keep dying against double dps as rDruid/Warr, any guide on staying alive better?
sand spade
Should I be getting Vers corruption? I have seen conflicting advice, some saying Haste/Mastery, others saying Vers/Mastery
sacred path
The top 20 Druids are either roughly. Maybe swap up talents a little? I played r Druid and Warrior a bit and warriors are hard to keep up without blowing cds
Love fetal affinity but guardian frenzy is lovely in those duel DPS matches
sand spade
OK, thanks. Wenare really struggling, we dont win games unless they go dampening :S
Ah OK, yeah we dont really do setups, just cyclone when I can
north grove
@lime light my 2v2 comp usually is: feral + resto shammy, and feral + disc priest... (currently 2009CR 2v2) my 3v3 goes like feral + fury warr + resto shammy (1650 CR)
@lime light so for casters: leader of pack, bite, cyclone... for meeles, leader of pack, bite and thorns... or cyclone instead of bite, if i need to control more right
lime light
Depends what u wanna do
If u are playing cyclone u are trying to land it of dr
U will lose a lot of dmg
storm pecan
Sup, my brother and me will come back in Shadowlands. He used to play feral in mop and should play it again in SL. For those who tried it in the beta, can you give me your thoughts about it? Does the feral changed too much since mop? We'll mostly play pvp btw 🙂
heavy cairn
Ironically you get a few things back that you used in MoP. So it’s a decent time for a mop player to return
I’d say your heals and off heals aren’t as great. You could ursols and heart to full or heart someone else/can ward etc. you still have some healing but less than mop. Eitherwise you have clone baseline. Less about full bleeds and more so ferocious bite even though bleeds are important. As far as nitty gritty things for shadowlands idk. Should be somewhat similar!
heavy cairn
@storm pecan
orchid rock
Hi! Any glads that may suggest a strong composition for 3v3 resto druid currently in bfa?
heavy cairn
MLD is probably your best bet
Mage/ww/druid is good too harder to play a little more. Rmd can work just not meta
All of those comps are played above 2.8+
orchid rock
amazing ! thank you sm all the guides ive read are out of date so I appreciate it @heavy cairn
heavy cairn
Yeah the last two are a little more skill based and relying on cc. MLD definitely has some skill but more forgiving
formal wave
seabreeze good for 2v2?
sullen marsh
livid heart
I'm sort of coming back after leaving in bfa, can you elaborate on crits nerfed @vestal citrus
Ah ok. Thought there was some crit nerf strixtly in pvp
tender bluff
How do you think rDruid/War will be in 2v2 for SL. Me and an IRL friend are returning, and these are our likely class orlls
small storm
imagine pvp scaling didn’t exist
sacred path
Sigh I’m stuck at 1800 I’m bad 🙁
sacred path
Yeah I’ve been trying I.m got up to 1830 and ranked back to 1770.. burned out 😫
I’m at 452 Ilevel with trash essences and 0 corruption. Feel like i should be able to go 2k+ with this tho
odd juniper
Ur not bad with such gear
hardy spade
hey,
what's your thoughts about covenenats for pvp for feral and/or resto?
you can't run while casting convoke right? so it will probably be pretty bad in pvp as feral
north grove
yo boys
I have 5 versa amp3 corruption
in my feral... today i can buy +2 gushing wounds or +1 versatile 1 and i can buy one tier of versa2 next saturday
what do you guys think sounds better for pvp? I have 45% versa outside arena, inside i go to 38%
rigid linden
tiny oar
just line the bolt x fucking D
tardy hare
l2p issue tbh
blissful jackal
Agree
lime light
Normal stuff when they Play full masy
Mast
There are a locks with world quest trinket
The one that gives u like 1.3k i think ?
Mastery
On 1 min 30 sec cd
sand spade
450 ilvl rdruid with 12% vers, I keep dying to double dps (usually DH and Ret)
Is this just how it is? Or should I be able to outplay them to survive?
2v2 with an Arms Warr
heavy cairn
Ilvl is pretty low. I’d say play guardian affinity and if your teammate can peel that’s great
Make sure to get hots on yourself. You can drop a vortex, go in travel form and use wild charge to get away. Maybe use dash after to even further get away or kite through your teammate so he can help peel
I’d say vs stuff like that running conflict as a major is good and maybe safeguard or battle master trinket. Also wild charging to your teammate can help a lot too @sand spade
sand spade
Thanks fro advice, tomorrow I will have conflict and strife essence so will use that. Using guardian + safeguard + trinket atm
Think I might need to get better at running haha
tiny oar
Mass entangle + entangling bark pvp talent also help a bunch with peeling double melee dps
heavy cairn
Entangling bark talent is really sick too ^
It’s a learning curve you’ll get it down
Since I have nowhere else to post this lol. I just got this helm last night
tardy hare
Pog
tiny oar
its completely hideous so its a perfect arena mog, nice work 🙂
tardy hare
Agreed
sand spade
Play Broccoli 😄
heavy cairn
@fluid raven depends what comp you are playing
heavy cairn
Vs rogue mage you can shift a lot. So for the mage to CC you he had to dragons breath you and ring if you are in form
Or the rogue has to set him up and cheap shot you while you are out of form
fluid raven
should I save trinket for blind ?
heavy cairn
Balance affinity is nice because you can’t be sheeped if you are a monk in
Usually, yes.
Are you playing 2’s or 3’s?
fluid raven
2s
heavy cairn
So if they don’t pop any cd’s sometimes you don’t have to
Because they are baiting your trinket to pop everything on you next go
heavy cairn
If they are for example pop vendetta combust on your teammate you will trinket and bark him
Usually trinket is paired with blind. However, if they don’t commit much they can get your trinket for free and swap you next go and pop everything on you while you have no trinket if that makes sense
heavy cairn
It’s just something you learn. Just apart of trading cool downs
Rogue mage in 2s is what can we get from the enemy team then reset until our dr’s are reset
If they get both trinkets 1st go without using vendetta or combust it is their dream kind of
sacred path
Pvp chest let me down this week 😭
tardy hare
Same disappointment every week
sacred path
Last week I got a warlords trophy which I used on my wep and that was lovely
sand spade
Does Enchroaching vines have a CD?
fluid raven
do u need 2400rat for 475 item ?
lime light
@fluid raven yes
orchid rock
lfg sucks hard
obtuse ice
it's toxic
dim stump
Any thoughts on Zandalari Troll for pvp? Im not sure how the racial preforms or if its just better to play Night Elf
tiny oar
Play what u enjoy the most @dim stump . night elf is bis for any stealth class but u dont need it to be a real gamer.
Ie. just look at formy, r1 on a fucking disgusting worgen.
stray sigil
just dont play female nelf
tiny oar
the hell u mean fuji
tiny oar
That's so fried lol
tiny oar
U guys r cooked
Female nelf is perfect healing animations, perfect solar wraths , perfect running, peak male performance
S+ tier model followed by troll male at B and every other druid model is F-
tough osprey
Make Tauren is the only way to go. If you can fit through doors with your mount up, you’re playing the game wrong.
Male*
fluid raven
who?
tiny oar
Formy is nelf what a time 2 be alive
stray sigil
@tiny oar not a female either u pleb
tiny oar
Ya he kinda looks pog I might go male after this pic
fluid raven
never go full gay, man
stray sigil
50gold wym @vestal citrus
oh shit ya
u can gender change
fuck yes i love getting my dick chopped off
sand spade
is it worth stacking the 6% vers corruption? or should I wait for 12?
tardy hare
im 100% gender changing all my chars to males this expansion
tardy hare
no
north grove
is it worth stacking the 6% vers corruption? or should I wait for 12?
@sand spade from what ppl told me here, you can go 5 versa3 (12%) and 2 versa2... +maut corruption if you have max cloak
sand spade
is 6% versa2?
north grove
i think 6% is versa1
sand spade
Ah OK, so stay away from it 🙂
north grove
this week we'll have versa2 in US servers at saturday
and today versa1 is up at mother
north grove
the corruption rotation
sand spade
Sorry for 100 questions, just returned so dont know much
north grove
it changes every thursday and saturday
north grove
yup
so, i kinda have this problem pugging disc priests
im not at my best, im playing feral at 2k cr
got some tips from mr fuji
but from what i was lookin in videos, feral+disc is op
but pugged discs dont MC my kill target
actually the last one (2k cr too) asked me to not use cyclone with him coz it DR w/ mc
sacred path
Yeah it’s fucking cheese when you do it right..😭
obtuse ice
2k cr feral priest should just be big dam
north grove
we gotta go clone when we have holy paladins as partners right? usually
coz i see DRs everywhere
unless a good constriction goes in
stray sigil
@north grove with hpal clone decent vs some stuff not everything imo
with disc u barely play clone just do big dam
stray sigil
can do like hoj and u both cast rep and clone out
that way if they kick 1 the other goes off and then u just use whatever was kicked out of it
north grove
sorry, HoJ?
smoky sail
Is dancing with the star + spite can be call "dancing with the spite"? 
north grove
i feel like i dont know the right time to put a cyclone in and also when i should pick cyclone over other pvp talent
is there any big feral druid streamer doing pvp that helps ppl out?
i need to get better
i mean, need to learn more stuff
north grove
ill sure check it out, thanks mate
north grove
i also feel like playing feral with another dps is insanely hard coz u gotta fit all ccs in correctly and burst it all quick
smoky sail
Imagine killing ppl with cc instead of random dmg proc
livid wasp
got beta
ravenous frenzy feels shit meh, I thought being idle means standing still but its when you run too
heavy cairn
A lot of ferals play clone with lock/feral/hpal still
small storm
sure, i run lotp bite clone and swap for thorns where applicable, you just dont need it with the fear dr
manic arrow
How good is rdrood for healing melee cleaves?
amber dawn
Only advantage they have is that they're mobile and cannot get sheeped
Other than that, they're pretty terrible rn
Ur just a budget mistweaver
manic arrow
Well I have pally and drood just, ppl say that pally isn't good for melees, so I guess drood might be better
north grove
does cyclone shares cd with polymorph?
tiny oar
N0pe
manic arrow
How do you think, rdrood is gonna have way higher skillcap in SL with all this new stuff?
heavy cairn
Druid isn’t that bad for melee cleaves can be very tanky
I’ve seen a few rdruids play at a high level with melee cleaves this season
@manic arrow high
manic arrow
Thanks
heavy cairn
Currently though if you aren’t playing dh/war or dh/dk mw is prob Better for other melee cleaves
The sustainability dh/dk has is nice and will make the healer a better option
manic arrow
@heavy cairn Btw what is high, is it gonna be higher? Have you tested it on beta?
heavy cairn
Nah but you get a lot of spells back it should be a great time for druids toolkit wise if the healing is there we should be looking good
teal hinge
Has anyone messed around with boomy in pvp in beta yet?
sand spade
No way that is legit?
true pendant
Druid best healer in SL
forest kite
It's not just druid healers, it's all specs
heavy cairn
Wow that talent is sick
tender ibex
can someone walk me through what I should be doing to flagsit as a guardian druid? is it better to sit away from the flag so I can interrupt after first 6 second sap? Or should I sit on flag and not run trinket
tender ibex
Defending a base, not carrying a flag sorry
and got it
and if it's a rogue who bombs the flag you're just pretty screwed yeah
because you'll have to get close enough to get cc'd
Also was thinking sitting on flag is advantageous because brambles disrupts
Yeah I unfortunately am rather new so I'd have to learn/gear boomy
Probably will swap for shadowlands
hm that's pretty clever
okay cool
Yeah I have a lot of ideas now for little changes and stuff
Trying to make guardian druid work in bgs (outside of flag carrying) is tough sometimes hehe
heavy cairn
I think some people used to sit guardian at flags and use brambles talent so you can never get capped on not sure if that’s a thing still or not
But as a tank, especially guardian in PvP it’s hard to make it work. FCing is obviously your best avenue but outside of that it can be tough, some people obviously play it in arena but meh. If you enjoy it though that’s good! I can’t think of anything else why you’d want a tank druid in rbgs outside of fcing generally speaking
Some people play dh tank and run around to try and ninja flag with their grip and toss talent
tender ibex
Oh it's just because my two classes are guardian druid and bm hunter and it won't be til shadowlands til I can gear up another char high enough to play in rbgs haha
And I don't wanna be the link on my rbg team
formal wave
how do you guys like TD as resto?
surreal heron
Yes
cinder prism
Will bloodtalons still be used in arenas with the change?
if anyone has any clue
Maybe I'm over thinking it, but having 5 seconds for 3 GCDs (without stuns and what not) isn't that ideal. Especially since one of them is an AOE (situational)
cinder prism
That part I get @stray sigil - but brs is still aoe
I might be overthinking it, but there's times I don't want to aoe
if someone is being CCed for example and I don't want to break it
lol
dim stump
is it important to have full uptime on trash for feral in pvp?
it gives you the energy regen right? even if the damage is meh
tiny oar
Ya think ur thinking of rogues my boi hitsman
tiny oar
clear pulsar
190 is that mythic ilvl?
rigid linden
no idea
lime light
Like in bfa i think u get around 200 to 500
tiny oar
How long do 3s queues/ skirms take formy?
heavy cairn
i cant decide if i like nightfae or not
@rigid linden run 3s??
the abilites seem pretty sick but i dont like the actual covenant, venthyr looks way cooler
heavy cairn
are u on beta rn?
rigid linden
nah
heavy cairn
ah well im on alli if u want to test some 3s
pretty fun so far but tuning is clearly way outta wack
rigid linden
rip all my toons horde 😦
rigid linden
necro on feral
stray sigil
venthyr or bust
heavy cairn
Yeah im not the biggest fan of it
Venthyr looks dope for mog but necrolord looks sick both abilities seem realllly strong
Also I need more keybinds LOL
sand spade
I will just pick whatever cov ability is best, because all the leather mogs look really bad :( (maybe just on Tauren haha)
dim stump
Any good youtubers or people in the community that play feral I should follow? Looking to get more opinions on how they are going into Shadowlands
smoky sequoia
Hey guys. What do you think are the best 2S combos with Resto ? My mate wants to play rogue.
spiral bough
What is your strategy when fighting rdruid &mage in 2s as a resto
I keep getting chained cc, cyclone into cyclone into poly into bash into cyclone again
And if I play bad and get caught I sometimes get hit with a hibernate
patent dove
Depends on what you play with
spiral bough
i usually play with a dh
patent dove
With melee you play really aggressive, take feral affinity and master shapeshifter, restealth often and rake stun the mage for max damage, dot them up. But be very careful for the hibernate-sheep combo. Make sure your dh is as disruptive to them as possible
Don‘t let the mage cast polys through and put out max dps
spiral bough
i found out its very hard to avoid the polys all the time
patent dove
Make use of pillars if you need to spend time in human form to heal. If you dh caged the mage you have 4 sec to cast through. Avoid being polyd
spiral bough
so tl:dr dh has to git gud and cage at the right time
patent dove
Well your positioning is key
The dh can‘t prevent the mage from polying all the time, he can only open little windows
spiral bough
if i get rake stunned into cyclone i can't imagine the mage cant get to me in that time
tardy hare
My buddy always used to play boomy aff and just sit boomy form and cast some heals
But not sure what heals you can cast from boomy form these days
patent dove
Just regrowth as far as i know
spiral bough
i saw that strat as well but i think it only works with regrowth, no rejuv or swiftmend
spiral bough
also a comp that tilted the ever living shit out of me yesterday, udk and holy paladin
patent dove
The druid usually ooms really fast from healing the mage, that‘s why you try to max dps the mage. That keeps the druid from doing stuff like rake stunning as well
spiral bough
we were winning everything, mana,pressure, we even got bubble, then seemingly random the udk and pala goes on me and absolutely destroy my ass through all my defensives
patent dove
Being bursted down is a risk you have to live with. Usually you fard best against dks if you just run away constantly. You dh can cage the dk if they manage to catch you and pull cds
Fard=fare
lime light
@spiral bough u counter it, just Play good, Play feral affinity be agressive as much as possible
Dh dont need almost any healing vs that
Till damp
And u need to win before big damp
Or u lose
smoky sail
Just play with destro ez game
fiery prawn
smoky sail
They delete them because too bad feral is now rdru mini game 
smoky sail
Jk didn't even put a shot on beta x)
north grove
guys, in order to improve , understand shiet a little better, im considering creating an alt like monk healer or resto shammy.. ill keep my feral for pvps tho
which one you think is easier to get good and get some ranks on pvp?
smoky sail
Mw by far imo less gear dependent
Rsham need 3 pack spirit for good surviv I mean u can go for shamoon having a kick is rly good
Mw need less gear just proper kitting and a dps who understand when to peel
smoky sail
I mean rsham when u have gear is fun imo, more than mw, but mw is busted xD
Q like mage lock mw it's like not even the same game
But disc will stay most fun healer in my heart 
odd juniper
MW is a lot easier @north grove
north grove
I queued w/ one holy paladin from Quel Thalas
I was at 1950CR, he joined my group but he was 2100
we lost a game for 2 DPS, i think it was rogue/mage or warlock/ something like that
he said "omg, you suck" "forever 1900cr" "bye"
he was good coz he had the CR
I probably did some shit in the fight
but I need to understand my misstakes
gotta learn everything in order to reach glad
do you guys know if theres an website with guides such as elitist jerks?
or maybe an excellent guide to understand pvp
not an specific class, but the whole thing
smoky sail
Skillcapped have some good free vods on yt
They talk about overall meta, class per class, who counter who etc how to shut down a certain class
winter kelp
resto is looks solid for pvp. giving another cc for bear affinity is crazy
high swan
How many gushing for feral or should I just be stacking vers
north grove
im following fuji's tips
and most ppl use versa
5 versa 3 (12%) and 2 versa 2 (9%)
small storm
i found out yesterday jungle isnt that good against melee cleave 🙂
was a nice learning exp
north grove
5 versa 3 (12%) and 2 versa 2 (9%) + maut corruption from anzig'vra
heavy cairn
You could. Depends. Sometimes I’ll just keep vitality but to Guardian affinity it’s safeguard! Kind of depends on your comp though if they will even bother trying to attack you
manic arrow
Double dh atm kekw
heavy cairn
Yeah I’d just play guardian affinity, fangs and safeguard to be on the safe side or maybe swap fangs for something else but if you are playing double melee vs double melee teams might train healers more than likely
manic arrow
What is fangs and safeguard?
heavy cairn
Both trinkets
Fangs of enterwinded fate? Something like that it drops out fo temple of snakes, safeguard is just a PvP trinket where if you drop below 25% up it gives you an absorb shield
Or you could play the Atala dazar voodoo totem and safeguard
If you aren’t gonna oom
sand spade
I take it crit is our least sought after stat in arena as Resto?
heavy cairn
This is true @sand spade
@manic arrow if you are going to be the main target claw really isn’t going to do much for you
manic arrow
Thanks, gonna find safeguard then
small storm
how do you play jungle with a mistweaver vs disc
stray sigil
u dampen
smoky sail
Mby u can go mastery hast in caster cleave but with double dh better get some big vers xD
sand spade
Just going Warr Druid in 2s so think we both stack Vers
manic arrow
Well I have full vers/mastery items and vers corruptions
And it's 40% just
But with c&s major and all bear talents it's kinda playable
near tapir
Guys, hi 🙂 I copy some questions from #resto Shadowlands-related. Can anyone please advise?
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Adaptive Swarm - can this be dispelled (dot) or purged (hot) in PvP by enemies?
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Adaptive Swarm - if it's dispelled / purged, does it jump? Or it's gone completely?
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Kindred Spirits activated for 10 secs - is it dispellable in PvP?
obtuse ice
Wtf
north grove
managed to watch some vids bout pvp
syfoxy streams, cassidy and other recommended streams by dreamgrove community
got 2036 cr again! 😂 so happy
am I the only one that struggle against demon hunter + holy paladin?
doing feral/hpala atm
i feel that my dmg doesnt go in any of them
and if i cant put a good cyclone in they can heal everything up
small storm
DH is busted and so is Hpala so
smoky sail
Be able to root dh is annoying for him but with hpal lib rip xD
placid oriole
newbie question; my guild is hosting a 1v1 tourny, I pretty much play only feral raids/m+, and have a full crit corruption set for that. But I have a ton of leftover essences. Should I buy a shitton of gushing wound corruptions or is that no longer the best corruption to stack?
heavy cairn
@placid oriole ideally you’d want vers or gushing. Vers being a good option overall. Vers/mastery is good for feral in PvP
Vers would be the best maybe. 2 gush on some high ilvl pieces but if it were me I’d go all in on Vers
And the maut weapon Ofc but I’m sure you have that
placid oriole
ofc
Aight, I got some versa stuff stored in my big bag of corruption shit
I'll just use that + buy some gushing then
ty
manic arrow
Lock is better than dh/rogue in 2s for rdrood or?
tiny oar
Lock is prolly bis ya but mage or any melee basically is good too
fervent granite
curious on that one, are there so much tauren over highmountain cause people didnt unlocked hm
or stomp->clone way better than the extra mobility?
rancid pebble
with new tweaks to night fae is it still looking to be the best from the testing people have done? or are the choices a little closer
heavy cairn
I really like rogue/rdru 2’s it’s fun and you can abuse your cc more but lock is good too
@fervent granite I think war stomp is kind of nice to clone into but probably personal preference
fervent granite
checked 2k4+, 83 tauren to 8 hm, felt more about gameplay
but ya, they're very similar else, with hp vs versa + reduced dmg taken
heavy cairn
Are you talking for resto or feral?
fervent granite
resto
heavy cairn
Yeah I’d pick regular Tauren over hm
But honestly you can be high rated as any race for resto too. There is a really high troll druid
But Tauren is most useful I think. Stomp into clone feels good
fervent granite
absolutely, was more out of curiosity
sand spade
Charge is a good insta interupt, I love it
Good to turn back on a healer chasing for CC aswell :)
fervent granite
isnt there a small delay at the start of the charge, then travel time up to 1s, not making it that "instant"?
sand spade
No delay that I noticed, but yeah travel time, so not instant, but pretty good
I have found it useful anyway. I'm sure stomp would be great too
patent dove
i am 2.5 and my druid is a troll. you only really have a distinct advantage over other raced if you are night elf. can pick any race for horde
rose kayak
Is there any specific reason there's no rated feral worgens in 2v2 or 3v3? https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&realm=&rating=0&ladder=2v2&faction=&spec_filter=103&race_filter=22
rose kayak
Mind if i ask whats better? is it just shadowmeld?
obtuse ice
no toxicity ty
rose kayak
I assumed it was shadowmeld but opened for discussion id it was otherwise
patent dove
It's just shadowmeld
you can use it in a shadowmeld/prowl/rake combo, use it in order to dodge missiles like gpy and chaos bolt or certain debuffs like touch of death or you can use it to drop combat in order to drink. it's basically a vanish for druids and it's really really strong. outclasses every other racial in pvp
torpid wren
Is resto looking good in SL?
wise valley
lmfao
remember that classic vanilla server druid who came in here barking about druid being BIS for evertyhing
they are admin in classic druid discord
surreal heron
Yup
sand spade
Quick question folks,
Live 2v2 resto Druid:
12% Haste 18% Mast 34% Vers
Or
18% Haste 12% Mast 34% Vers
obtuse ice
Haste increase casting speed and mastery crit
if you feel you heal not much go for crit
if you feel you're casting too slow, go for haste
sand spade
Ok will try it out and see how it feels, thanks
dusty lagoon
any SL pvp streamers?
dim stump
Any pvp Rdruids? Im learning it and have a few questions, feel free to PM me, thanks!
dim stump
Fair enough, Im just curious how to be survive being trained down as Resto. I feel like I just need to go into bear and can never leave it, and Im so slow im pretty much not even moving
small storm
your hots will protect you
bark when shit is bad
keep em where they are with that one thing
vortex
clone people
rigid linden
^ Preferably using a hot for the shift out global
forest kite
How is boomkin looking for pvp in shadowlands? Bringing eclipses back seems like it's gonna be problematic
grave pecan
What covenant abilities are looking good for feral pvp in SL? necro looks good but the spreading of adaptive swarm could break things like traps?
forest kite
The reason I wonder is because it makes it so that a large portion of your damage is consolidated into a very small buff window -- I don't see how you will get those hard casts off in arena
during the buff period
novel sky
Starsurge doesn’t extend eclipse anymore
It just buffs the eclipse damage bonus now
Ya not disagreeing
queen copper
wat u mean extend the eclipse o.0
thats gone lol
apparently i didtn see half the chat
forest kite
is full gushing on feral good to reach duelist?
silent mauve
What covenant ability would be the best for arenas? Conceptually I mean, I know tuning isn't done but what feels the best to use
shell lichen
I have a hard time seeing the Venthyr ability being any good at all. So there is that.
clear pulsar
Ok so
Conceptually the best isn't a thing
What feels best to use varies from player to player
And also from spec to spec
Venthyr and Berserk/CA both being off global for instance, makes it quite a bit better now than it was 2 weeks ago
vivid jewel
anyone know if the max ilvl template/scaling thing for pvp that is in the shadowlands beta is going to be introduced in the pre-patch as well?
sand spade
Kyrian pots going to be incredibly strong in arena?
fervent granite
@vivid jewel no, only for beta testing
@sand spade yes, but to be seen if it makes kyrian the best for pvp or not
vivid jewel
they should keep it in the game, its a better version of the legion template system
because bfa completely shat on gearing and overall balance in pvp
sand spade
Seems crazy good, 50% heal, immunity to non magic dots for 15 secs :S
livid wasp
yeah and the ability seems nice too
valiant strikes might be really good too not sure though
the night fae ability seems stupidly broken tho
stray sigil
"cassidy has to run on his zerk, hes losing all this dmg"
ok supa go back to bear ur brainded brother
obtuse ice
no toxic fuji
stray sigil
na fuck that bro
its his job to know that shit
and hes always saying random crap
"oh no he used tigers fury before dres, hes gonna lose 15% dmg"
XDXDXD ?
lime light
same with tiger fury
how is tiger fury cd there
instead of the bash
how they all thinks
stray sigil
bro idk supa tilts me so fucking hard
lime light
a little bit
lime light
ye
but the point it
there is almost no diff
between 3k mlx and 2k mlx
lmao
they are just there
lime light
using everything on cd
tardy hare
This needs fixed!
tardy hare
Idk didnt watch the vid
obtuse ice
Oof
sand spade
Probably about the fact that it takes a LOT of PvP to get gear the same ilvl as LFR drops
lime light
Its not bitching u little pve abuser
How can u get every possible pice from m+ with all the 2nd stats
And u cant from pvp
clear pulsar
Nah man
It's ridiculous
Content should stand on its own
If you like raiding, the raid should give you the gear you need to keep raiding further
Same for pvp
lime light
Yes that's why u fucking ion
Moved your fatanus
And mąkę śl not as garbage
As bfa
I just came back form church
quaint brook
Which race is best for Balance for Horde?
fervent granite
they're not that far, it felt more they havent put time on the pvp vendors than anything else (some slots have a couple items, others one, kinda random)
if they increase the stats available (easy to do), reduce the grind (easy to do) and show us the ilvl from conquest items+probably increase a bit honor ilvl (both easy to do), would likely be in a pretty good spot.
lime light
i mean
beta pvp is 10000% broken
there is plenty major buggs
like u can kill a monk thro cocoon
clear pulsar
No shit
If they fix it
Then it'll be good
TREMENDOUS deductive powers @fervent granite
lime light
i personaly dont mind grind, but the grind that ends at some point
and isnt time gated
like in bfa, u farm all the time
and it never ends
:/
patent dove
If there was nothing you could grind wow would be awfully boring. It‘s basically the same if you grind rating, AP, mythic dungeons, raid, renown or whatever they call it because in the end you repeat a task plenty of times in order to reach a number of repetitions. That‘s what wow is about. The only difference between one and the other task is taste. There are people who grind rep for fun.
It‘s not the grinding that is what‘s wrong, but the choice of tasks to grind being limited by reward structure
tardy hare
I don't mind the grind as long as its kept to 1 character
For the obnoxious shit atleast
Like rep and cape level for example
It's fun one time
But gets so boring after that
tropic schooner
cape+ visions is certaintly too much atm for alts
formal wave
You all team nightfae?
hallow oasis
What lvls are the low lvl pvp brackets at in shadowlands? Is it possible too get a low lvl twink with legendarys?
silent wraith
Hey guys so I recently got my druid to 60, mainly in preparation for TBC (assuming there will be one) I noticed i must have deleted my Skull of impending doom as well as my Nifty stopwatch. I know this is a pretty big deal in classic, is it a big deal not having these items in TBC as well?
lime light
U can recovef items on bnet site
And its not classic pvp channel
If u wanna talk about classic go to #classic
silent wraith
Not on the restoration page :/
And yeah sorry wasnt too sure where to post since its more of a tbc question
lime light
Ah u mean
That u deleted it long time ago
That's issue then
I dont think so those items are that big of the deal
Honestly
But idk i quit classic week before bwl
heavy cairn
its a sad day boys n girls
im leaving my nelf life to actually be able to play the game on horde
tiny oar
Pog
lime light
Lmao
smoky sail
Was wanting to go ally to get nelf in SL but then u guys demoralize me
patent dove
Nelf is good but having people to play the game with is better so screw OP racials
wild dome
Oceanic doesnt have horde?
smoky sail
polar nymph
@wild dome Horde died.
sand spade
What do we think will be best Covenant for Resto Arena? And why?
ebon vortex
night fae could be really really good for 2s
kyrian maybe if the beacon-type thing duplicates healing on your target
necrolord could be good because of fleshcraft but the hot you get isnt super strong and the dot can just be dispelled
venthyr sucks since you can cancel it with like every cc tho you could use it to cc break
dusty sphinx
necrolord shield (with cc immunity during cast) sounds quite strong.
Use it to negate a go, or to force a kick (that locks shadow) while still offering a decent shield
Night fae heal in it current form just looks really unreliable.
12 spells, where some of them isn't even heals? Will possibly even break CC with random moonfires?
I feel it needs quite a bit more work to be the clear #1
edgy oxide
i mean it is the clear #1 right now
oh
i don't know for sure actually but i'm 99% sure it doesn't break cc
dusty sphinx
It gives you CC immunity during cast and 4 seccond after with the right build (unless that was changed recently)
formal wave
one thing that i'm excited about nightfae
is that for resto its both a super good heal
but you could also go in boomkin form and try to score a skill with it
definatly not every matchup but the ones where you can afford to get balance affinity
patent dove
yea i like the versatility of it
formal wave
pinned guide says you should use oceanic restoration but isnt machninsts brilliance better for resto?
heavy cairn
@rigid linden Im NA so it feels like there is a population of 0 on alliance lol. At least OCE has some alliance peeps I like being alliance a lot haha
No one to play with tho so I end up sitting lfg and I’m even a healer lol
rigid linden
No meme I think I liked feral so much atm is cause of reap dreat
Drest
Just feels bland in shadowlands lmfao
rigid linden
Yeah for real
Now in sl it's just like ehh
I mean new berserk is cool n shit
But still I think bfa has actually jaded me on feral
rigid linden
Reroll kidney shot king.
heavy cairn
i dont blame u they look so good
rigid linden
Cause it's always gonna be hey replace the feral with a rogue
heavy cairn
plus after u play feral for awhile you realize rogue is just better
rigid linden
Mortal strike kidney shot
heavy cairn
immunities
rigid linden
Yup...
small storm
well i mean that affects everyone
how was it in s1 when u pushed
well tbh that was scuffed bc of the azerite trait
like we lose big maim reap drest which is like half our dmg in burst
but relative, we can still have good pressure
also having a backup rogue tho lol
heavy cairn
rogues are just more consistently good
just 3 specs that are dps hard to not be good
obtuse ice
Lock?
last oriole
anyone that has subscribed in LuuxiA's twitch?
paper hearth
Sub-rogue currently broken in SL. Lock looks good. Rogue probably will get hit with nerf before live (lots of vids out there)
smoky sail
Sin rogue so bad
Wdym best melee is by far enhance
Sub will get poison ooooo boi iam in trouble 
Better add them gushing baseline btw can u still buy corruption to mother on NA?
I mean it was last rotation or is there a last one with max cloak?
north grove
idk how ill be able to kill ppl without big maim drest reap
so im counting with YOU boys to gimme the cake recipe
xDDDD
patent dove
Wdym @vestal citrus you don‘t know what to play. We all play the glorious druid class of course
tiny oar
Yup yup rdruid looking juice utility wise just gotta see what they do with the numbers
Priest dark sim also looks fucking sick so that'll prolly be the alt char
patent dove
Rdru and disc priest both look like contenders for the most fun specs for me
Although i expect the nerf bat to hit disc really hard because that‘s what blizz does
Nerf disc
And buff locks
nova shuttle
feral scaffold
i need to sell to my rbg team that i d prefer to play feral instead of sub rogue , as secondary defender/retake squad on flag maps . How would you sell the idea ?
novel sky
Rename your feral druid your rogues name and hope nobody pays attention
feral scaffold
like there is really no argument to make here ? sub is straight better in every aspect except utility ?
ok well , i dont really mind playing rogue , guess i ll keep the feral for a bit of fun in arenas , ty anyway 🙂
novel spruce
Anyone else feel like feral doesn't do dmg or is it just because I am bad
ashen smelt
it's just insta kill in 1 cc
isn't it also mostly shadowstrike
dire nymph
yes
ashen smelt
dying in a kidney feels like rogue class fantasy at this point.
heady vessel
What covenant looking like the best for feral druid pvp in SL as of right now?
dire nymph
I don't think there's a consensus yet. If you want to catch a stream of someone who has been testing it I know Faramar has been testing all of them specifically for pvp.
https://www.twitch.tv/faramar
feral scaffold
is guardian still going to be a good flag carrier in SL ? i could sell this : imma play feral and FC with some luck covenants will be the same
feral scaffold
i ve heard its a good FC right now , like its beefy and has decent mobility
stray sigil
na rog so fucking boring
dusty lagoon
how bad is feral/mw for 2s?
dire nymph
I've seen some surprisingly positive sentiments from different streamers/youtubers about feral
I think the perception of the spec will be more positive than you think in SL
quaint mulch
shadowlands feral covenant for pvp. What's looking good and why?
obtuse ice
Duh
dire nymph
I don't think anyone knows yet
night fae is probably the best bet if you plan to play any other specs of druid
I thought necro would be the go to for pvp but apparently the channel can be kicked
venthyr is really annoying to use in pvp
obtuse ice
Are you multi rank1?
dire nymph
kyrian will likely be good but everyone seems to dislike it
yeah I think I agree
I want to play necro for the aesthetic 😦
rip me
quaint mulch
necro dot buff seems cool but idk how well the math checks out
25 sec cd instant cast tho
mabye it will be decent
dire nymph
cc immunity from necro conduit seemed really good but the more I've seen it in action the more I think you're better off with just pre-bear swaps like always
it's super high skill cap to pull that off
consistently
If they took the self stun off of venthyr I would probably go that
doubt it
rigid linden
ya know already gotten like 3-4 ppl saying thank god i finally went rogue
LMAO
srsly no 1 loves the feral
smoky sail
smoky sail
Is MLX can be playd with other spec like affli/frost?
Since still get Dr fear and sheep for dampen game
patent dove
Gpy > frost. Chaos bolt > entire warlock class.
smoky sail
I mean when SL gonna hit cuz fire will lost lot and destro 
Mmmm but dmg wise aff look solid and in SL I mean destro gonna be hurt a lot loosing vers and hast
tropic schooner
Literally Impossible to say what's good in shadowlands
tiny oar
No1 knows or cares numbers wise cuz tuning still ongoing.
haughty gust
patent dove
Two things that are never gonna happen: a lock nerf and the bear buff
lime light
And rogue mage not being god tier xomp
olive glade
for feral, is it worth dropping a rank 3 vers amp + rank 2 vers amp for rank 3 surging vitality?
forest kite
I rather battle mages then DH to be honest
heavy cairn
I can’t wait to queue sub rmd s1 shadowlands gonna be a blast
If NA alliance has any queues lol
It’s worth it though cuz nelf looks so good
honest breach
Hey all. Any news how resto will be in SL for arena?
north grove
for feral, is it worth dropping a rank 3 vers amp + rank 2 vers amp for rank 3 surging vitality?
@olive glade idk your gear but for feral pvp you want versa+mastery stats and 5versa 3amp + 2versa2 amp +1 maut corruption in we
thats what ppl are doing i guess
kindred monolith
I swear this is the only good class discord there is. The rest of them either completely ignore questions, or just talk about the most random shit... lol
Anyways I’ve been watching some videos, anyone think boomy may be viable in arenas in SL with the changes?
heavy cairn
@honest breach it’s looking good so far. Really nice toolkit
@kindred monolith idk but I saw supatease play boomkin today so he’d be a good person to ask
patent dove
the four druid specs are like siblings fighting for the love of papa blizz but resto is the favorite child. feels good 
cedar sonnet
PvP Itemization
We have been following the constructive feedback about the range of gear available on our PvP vendors, and we agree with the underlying concerns. While WoW is an interconnected ecosystem of different content and systems and we feel that the very strongest characters should be the ones who participate and excel in a wide range of activities, each individual progression path should offer the majority of the tools required for success in that path. The current PvP vendors fall short of that goal.
We are considering a few different solutions, such as reworking the stat coverage of the vendor gear and/or providing PvP-specific bonuses through those items. As soon as we’ve settled on a direction, we’ll share our plan for feedback, and get the changes up on Beta for testing.
there may be some hope 
honest breach
@heavy cairn thanks for the answer. After Cata i think to rejoin wow again and i would love to heal in all kinds of pvp
formal wave
when it comes to gear, just use highest ILVL?
formal wave
true, true
hasty kraken
they made roar of the protector a button that needs to be pressed every 12 seconds? what does that accomplish besides making the game annoying for the bear as well as the people around him? 🤔
fickle junco
I seem to have got killed by holy shield from a paladin. I assume it was an interaction with Brambles because in 7 second i took 963513 from that one ability.
smoky sail
grave cliff
So fellow restos, how do you play (and win) against DHs in 2s? Recently there is DH in lkke every other arena i play and i have to admit i strugle with them a lot
amber dawn
Conflict major and relentless
Bash after he uses blade dance to ensure a stun into clone then run away
Thorns as well
smoky sail
Can also play mass root
amber dawn
You have a lot of tools to kite a DH. Nelf has meld rake stun into clone and tauren has war stomp clone
Mass root can work too, shorter CD
And cannot be blade danced or blurred
smoky sail
Bring behind pilâr he will reverse 1st then can't reverse the 2nd doesn't allow his healer to get him
Then restealth or mount and trigger him
amber dawn
Rele also makes it harder for him to burn u
smoky sail
Also run at pilâr morphing h24 so he barely connect
grave cliff
Thanks for tips, u play with feral aff or swap to bear against them?
smoky sail
Feral is good to Hump pilâr but dangerous cuz squishy, Baer spare u some mana cuz frenzy regen
Up to u and what's need in ur comp I guess
Feral also good like run pilâr drop combat and then rakestun clone run away
grave cliff
Guess ill stick to bear against them, gotta try cc/kite them more
smoky sail
If u play with warlock u can "safely" pick feral
Kite against dh is the most value since he don't have slow
Pilar's ur best fren
Tanking and try to outheal dh almost always make u oom or falling behind
It's why the 15%moovespeed from cat aff is rly good
grave cliff
Yea i play with arms in duos
Will most likely try both affs and see whats working better, definitely i need to try to kite and cc more and hopefuly, it will be better, thanks
smoky sail
Also mby recommended you to play cat aff against any caster comp like destro/healer fire mage etc so u can add big pressure stunning and giving uptime to ur fren
Easier to Los a caster than like dh if they wanna swap to you
grave cliff
Sorry for late reply, yes against casters, and basicly anything thats not DH i play cat aff, its just DH that i strugle with and recently there is way too much of them
smoky sail
Can be dangerous to play cat against melee if ur not careful
Like at a point if a rogue see u rakestun then he gonna tunnel you hard
bold drum
hey there
it actually depends on the comp you playing
i read that you playing arms + rdruid ye?
thats not even a decent comp tbh, thats why u probably struggling alot vs dhs mainly
you should rly play with a lock, then you can run feral aff everytime
your playstyle should be run, hit, heal, run sealth, repeat
as soon as you rake stun, you need to go to china to avoid swaps on you
also vs dhs, you should play relentless
vs rogues go trinket, rake stun and insta max range to avoid step kidney swap
everything i said should be viable, but depends on your gear (%versa, trinkets etc)
just dm me if u need more details ill be happy to help you out
orchid rock
does boomy work with a holy pally in 2s?
only tough thing i can think off is we are missing kicks
heavy cairn
@grave cliff I love play entangling bark the talent where if u ironbark yourself you can proc a root. I play rele and conflict too. And sometimes go for 1 clone then get distance you just wanna run forever feels strong honestly
@orchid rock yeah I’ve seen it be a thing before I think brain and prev pls it
rigid linden
That ardenwield scinematic
farrrk
maybe ill just alt assass rog and stick to druid
cyan trellis
Is there any talent or stat build to deuling and arena as boomy
forest kite
hej
smoky sail
Why is assa rogue so fun?
tiny oar
follow ur heart @rigid linden
rigid linden
#forUrsoc
surreal heron
Gone but not forgetten
toxic orbit
Question about Feral shafowlands, will they be a 'big bite' cat like they are right now or Bleed like they were in previous xpansions (atleast I thought they were)
smoky sail
Abuse spite til it's gone 👍
obtuse ice
good bye 😦
meager kindle
Rip random bear
surreal heron
It's ursoc, not so random
viscid remnant
ursuck on deeze nuts
alpine pewter
Ursol lives, right? Or is my lore out of date?
surreal heron
He should still be alive, yes
fringe stream
With ursocs blessing i will revive guardian pvp and be the bane of rmp
rancid pebble
for resto is it looking like night fae is still the best after the tweaks/nerfs in the beta?
toxic orbit
Is Feral druid still a 'kill with BIG Ferocious Bite' or a 'Kill them with Bleeds' in Shadowlands beta?
forest kite
Guys the new shadowlands pvp set for druids is fucking lit what do ya'll think?
lime light
true definition of being trash nr0 
lime light
number 0
edgy oxide
Ur the highest machtig
tardy hare
ebon vortex
now get rank -1
edgy oxide
In my heart
tardy hare
No you are 
tardy hare
Idk