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fuck i hate betas when people like you crawl out of the goddamn woodwork
alpha or not
these r nerfs
nop inam
why u even would compare current statement of spec with different expansion when u don’t know about tuning even
Enough
FUCKING EXACTLY @slate nimbus
@hollow flame thats a great expert ungot there bro
Tuning doesnt matter, they are nerfs
If you are calling anything a nerf without the full context you're being a Muppet
so, bt changes would be nerf for u with rip doing 70% of ur dps in sl?
oh now dyne is here we stop calling us idiots and clowns
And concern

So have you Fuji, this ends now
Lmao
ya differenxe is
im not an expert or anything
this guys being sumb
for no reasob
No, bloodtalons just got even more clunky and annoying to deal with.
we literally said its alpha nerfs and hes like
DERP NOT NERFS CUZ ALPHA DERP
ALL OF U CLOWNS DERPS
What part of enough is it that you do not understand?
ME RIGHT DERP
Yes because it's NOT lmao
You guys need to chill
You're missing all of the context
here we go again
Of systemic changes to the entire goddamn game
hes still not getting it
ROFL fuck me
like it's an incomplete DATAMINING
Yes, and based on it it looks like feral is getting the shaft
dude you r so dense...
BASED IN WHAT WE HAVE
THOSE R NERFS
END OF STORY
DONT U GET IT
$mute 142673512987885568
Done.
When I say enough I really mean it
Why do you mute only one guy when everyone's being just as annoying. Especially seeing as both Fuji and myself are multiglad/r1 experts saying nothing but truth based on the information available (what are we supposed to do? Wait until it's released and there's nothing to do about it?)
@pallid coral what do you think about the covenant abilities for resto pvp?
Idk I don't play resto
You are being a Muppet and overreacting to limited information
It's the "it's just alpha, it's just beta, it's just release, it's just prepatch" nonsense all over
r1 experts, excuse me what 
Expressing concern or feedback about something is very different
To Reeeeee they're NERFING us
$mute 114637789760323592 Take a break as well
Done.
I think we pretty clearly outlined the issues
u know, following ur logic, feral was getting nerfs since pandaria
problem is, that pandaria and bfa are different games
with different meta
and u can’t compare it in such way
Yeah, Feral hasnt been getting better since MoP. It's been nothing but a constant reduction of the spec to a DPS bot. Especially after WoD.
The Feral toolkit has only gotten nerfed
as any other classes
Implying that's a good thing?
u just need to admit, that new expansion is different game once it released
and 1m bash might be even op thing coming with aoe roar from guard aff and cyclone baseline
cuz of meta
that u didn’t learn yet
Mate, Ive read enough patch notes to know exactly what it will end up looking like if it goes live like that.
Incap Roar is on incap dr, thus DRing wity both sheep and freezing trap
It sucks
With*
w/e iam sick of jungle
first your mistake, that u r trying to judge spec state compare to how it was before instead of across all classes and their specs. And now u can’t do it right till u get more info about all classes
i get ur point but we have some info on other classes
albeit alpha blabla
so its fine for people to look at the notes and be upset
it’s fine but not objectively when u don’t see numbers at least
yeah but thats wasnt our point
we said looking on the surface
those are nerfs
based on the information we have NOW
Has anyone been looking into shadowlands?? I want to be a night fae but it looks like to be viable for PVP you need to go Necrolord. Anyone else see anything different??
havent rly looked at covenants
Bar no ridiculous tuning necrolord seems mandatory
the only good thing i can see right now is, they prolly wanna make feral bleed spec again
looking at bt being able to buff rip
only
whats necro cov ability?
Swarm that increases periodic damage or healing
is it symbiosis
kyran is symbiosis right?
lets hope for now, they remove the faction spells
or am i dumb
Necrolords get a shield that’s stronger when there’s enemy corpses around.
I think so yes
So a rated 10v10, sounds OP.
Depending on what they put in that lite-symbiosis it could be good
As a restro Druid, it sounds like another Barkskin I can give out.
It's kinda not like symbiosis since you wont get a ability from the class you put it on, you will only get an effect from the role like it is damage tank or heal
Lol
And more cc/utility allowing us to be more than dps bots
ye
3v3 soloq would be such a cool thing since I dont have many pvp minded friends
give locks
2nd spell that they can spam
that is not with dr
with fear
please
so i dont have to play
I meant Feral
idk cyclone feels soo weird in feral in bfa, it looks cool u can cyclone
but u cant
rly
Hard casting as feral sucks
some instant clone with ps, but on 45 sec cd
Right
For pvp at least I agree
Only cool thing about it is you get to be a fox.
whats the other 2 are they as bad
I’ll sc one sec
At least powershifting, hibernate on ps, typhoon not being a dead talent (balance affinity is completely dead). Id also love for cyclone to be castable on ps or in form but #doubt
And no mighty bash nerfs
which is very fucking awkward
Yeah hotw is dead talent
means either we wont take bash
or hotw wont be used
It's also only a 35% buff to healing
either way its shit
It's a nerfed hotw
if hotw 6m cd again

This is the Kehateverone
It's 5min cd 3akatz
but atm its bad
The new version
vampire could be decebt
vampires looks cool but will be shit as always
depends on thennumbers
The only cool thing about Night Fae
The vampire one is the only one where the spell could bite you in the ass.
well ya
looks like u will get grand delusion dmg as soon as u tank kidney and ur vampire s stack will explode
In pvp I think youll get "bit in the ass" quite a lot
but might be worth it if the dmg part isngood
Exactly, whenever you get stunned you'll get bombed
Unless they tune it ridiculously it sucks. Regardless it makes for horrible gameplay imo
it is blissard afterall lol
From sots, manor, atal that my friends have high keys which drop useful stuff for ferals (for pvp but pve gear is ok)
is this normal bite damage?
am i doing something wrong?
is bite really cucked in pvp?
noober
i banged a mage
playing this gear
not blood
i'm playing breath
but yeah
just TF + my one MI and honed proc
i think i was streaming that game
so i can prob find the clip
is streaking stars even that good for balance as its pretty nerfed in pvp
guides say its second after pulsar
HoD could prolly beat it?
@rigid linden https://clips.twitch.tv/CrunchyInterestingBatSuperVinlin
so looks like it's one piece MI proc, honed mind, and cloak proc
and i have an Elemental whirl proc there as well
but IDK what stat it procced
it's not crit
but could be vers haste or mast
LOL I love the holyyy
it was a large number LOL
i like this setup the most out of the one i've tried. I've tried versatile + ta2, i've tried versatile + stars 2, i've tried stars 3.
this is easily the one i feel best about
i want that chest from a big mask
it's like
GIGA bis pvp chest
MI, HOD, Vers passive, Resounding or switch
watching that vid made me cringe and really miss power shifting when he nova'd you
like something hit my heart
i don't have a lot of choices atm but can take (as feral) infinite stars 3 or infinite stars 1, a weak gushing wound (425 ilevel) and then some void rituals and a twlight devastation 2. Kinda hurting for pvp but just started working on him last week. is Infinite stars really that bad ?
75 corruption for rank 3 though thats pretty much the only one i can sue or i have to mix and match haha
Got a leech one for 8% as well... dunno if that one is worthwhile but i never read about it in the guides so probably not lol
MIght sound like a dumb question but do speed items +speed, compile over top of cat form ? (So if i have 5% speed) I would go even faster as a cat or is it overwritten since the form already makes you faster ?
Weird, corruption works but that doesn't haha. OK thanks a lot. Shouldn't be factoring in those pieces I suppose. Same goes for non rated BG and skirmishes right? I guess in the world everything works.
Thanks for the insight also
Is shadowlands gonna be ok for boonies @vestal citrus
Boomies
Game wasn’t fun anymore I unsubbed
Tired of doing stuff I didn’t want to do for the thing I wanted to do
Only to lose to rng corruptions brother
I don’t mind rot games but being viable would be nice again
#saveboomie
Make stellar flare do actual damage and I think boomie can be nice
Middle of the pack is good it means you can still get Highrank from workin hard
Shit tier only the gifted can be up there
😑
I see everyone is level 50 are they not gonna a give everyone full access to lvl 60 and do arena war games with all the gear
I’m watching supatease at lvl 50
Agh
you’d figure with ai tuning would be done in no time
number tuning won't be done until like a week or two after the expansion is even released, honestly
then will be changed more when raids come out
How fucked am i playing balance in feral gear for bgs
So for PVP at 60, how does gearing work for the most part?
Do you just go 1/29/21 and just get good gear for all resto/bear/cat?
does master shapeshifter affects crucible of flames and trinckets?
@quaint mulch just as fucked as playing boomy with boomy gear 😰😰
@BigBelts#3483 probably more likely to get an educated response from #classic or the classic wow specific discord.
Nvm then
u mean to tell me boomy not good in bgs rn? @wise valley
For util yeah
Ig
I did a bg earlier with boomy and warlock
Oof
Think boomy dmg on mid level with no defensives if youre getting fucked.
My opinion on druid is there no reason to play anything that isnt resto
just curious
im trying to push 2's for 2400 so i can get the r4 essence
im a boomy main and i am fully geared out for that spec
i have no previous high cr xp in this game. Is it more worth to rerole resto for 2's or continue as boomy
if so what comp is okay for a boomy to run in 2's?
Resto yes
^
what kind of class should I look for as a partner?
dh dk lock
awesome! Thank you
Can you please tell me what is this addon with such nameplates?
It also show you if target has any dps cds on or cc
My initial predictions for which comps will be good in shadowlands:
RMX
Lock Shaman X
Double Melee Pala
🙂
RMX
radical prediction
I know but I have a good feeling about rmx this expansion
I‘m telling you guys
Caster cleave with pally heal is back
Conventration aura looks way too good
https://gyazo.com/c17a42df6bdf452e71397deabb574eb0 meh 10 ilvl upgrade i guess
15 even
turbo gonna clap
warrior looking fucking solid, probably going to be my release toon
MM also looks to be pumping out big numbas
so mnaybe jungle will be decent
@wise valley you're trolling right?
😛 😛
😛
whats good comp for 2s as resto druid?
Lock dh dk
why dh if u could explain ?
40 yard fre cast heals and cat weave rake stun
Good pressure
U can move in and out of range for clone/heals los ezpz
@obtuse sleet dh mobility and rdruid mobility is crazy in 2s
You can always caster form wild charge to him effectively and he can come to you and give decent peel tools
Also dh can kite with your hots and be fine
While you sit down and drink if needed
Druid is also one of the best healers into late dampening and dh has manaburn
So you'll be fine throughout the game and never feel time pressured
should i be playing aggressive in that scenario with a dh?
@obtuse sleet you certainly can, most high rated rdruids do that
aggressive cyclone plays are fine but not necessary
aggro catweaving plays in general are 1. super satisfying 2. super sexy
it's the catweaving that adds up alot at the end
Any ferals with +2k exp want to play arcane feral healer?
Gotta try to decide if I want to get into another heroic maut to try and bonus roll a weapon lol... was painful doing it once already haha
Best off getting maut weapon than maybe like vers or mastery multipliers
And maybe 1 rank 3 mindflay
But always maut wep imo
Well I am trying and hoping 🙂 haha
how is feral vs balance in pvp?
jungle is ok, in other comps they are at the same garbage lvl
@lime light What do you mean by jungle?
Feral hunter healer
He's wrong though
Feral is pretty strictly better than balance in PvP
And balance looks better in PvE
It's not really
They're pretty close in pve
If you look at logs
Balance is far more widely played tho
A well played feral is amazing and fun. I played a bunch over the last year or so and it's probably the most fulfilling class to beat people 1v1, etc.... Especially if/when they out gear you....
The only class that will give you fits is probably a good survival hunter... lol
And I have been booted out of m+ groups when they find out I am feral ; "nice pvp spec scrub" lol.. oh well 🙂
What affinity is best for feral in arenas (2s & 3s) and rbgs?
I also tried playing resto yesterday with a rogue and monk and damn
We got buttslammed
Any tips for resto in 3s?
I can only say for the world stuff and regular randoms and whatever it would have to be resto, though I guess for arenas some would take guardian for the bear form extras
@rigid linden https://gyazo.com/52c2fd5a64088de01cfa7d88d2e17995 visions good to me this week

i can go another 1% versa but lose 5% mast
so
😦 gimme % vers
wow, nice
75 bike all u need 
Is guardian still a thing in 3s? I have about 30 verse if I want it. But the azerite ilvl is a bit low. 480s are resto.
13% crit, 22 % haste 19 % master 10% vers
Currnetly not running infinite stars - would it be worth picking up? Im playing with a survival hunter atm
U can proc it pretty well with master shapeshift catweave so ye I'd give it a whirl
any 2k+ 2v2/3v3 balance druids here for a question?
Can anyone point me to a good Resto druid twitch?
want to watch raid content to get a better grip on healing rotations etc
uhh if you want raid content #resto should know better
@finite linden rogue/monk is uhhh very... unique lol. You basically just make sure every1 is pre-hotted well enough and since that comp is about setup, you try to find setups with your cyclones
so for instance incap -> cyclone
or if your rogue gets good saps, sap -> cyclone
or you create your own cc-chain
you need cc-chains in that comp, but it's very hard, and honestly you're better off with a meta comp that's easier to play
like dh/warr or something like that
TLDR:
- play 40 yds back
- only move up when necessary (like on a go)
oh, and be ready to press bearform alot
i haven't played in a fat minute, what are the top feral pvp talents?
charge/bash/resto aff/soul/pw or brutal/moc
did i miss any
last talent is choice
pref
wait moc over bt?
wait i thought it was a fight between bt and ff i haven't seen a feral ever take moc, did something change?
MOC is helpful to get CP fast and consistently so some prefer that...shrug as he said personal preference.
In PVP I prefer FF also though I do miss the complexity sometimes of BT but in a PVP situation sometimes you focus a bit too much on the buff and it can be a bit tedious/cumbersome "sometimes"
ff is good for quick bite set up
I finally figured out how to get a quick macro going for rake resets with VOP and incarn without completely separate keybind and it was so simple just didn't think it would work 🙂
Feral's are absolutely amazing at counter ganking players who try to gank you while you are fighting a rare in uldum/vale it happened 3 times today and I was 2-0 with one no contest... he ran away. It's hilarious because the original situation is him and the rare vs you, then its you and the mob vs him and most of them don't have the same easy escapes 🙂
Beat some 470 enhance that way was priceless 🙂
@pearl geyser na dont touch moc in pvp
where i buy the arena water?
whoever said MOC in pvp is trolling hard
sometimes im too lazy to change
dont @ me
@rigid linden u aint even been 1600 this season you havent seen the tings i have seen
smh
1600 problems require 1600 solution
ur problem is playing boomy in 2s unfortunately
dh not looking too hot in sl
I have 3 clips over the past 2 days with DH.... all ending with them dying horribly because of quality kites and good use of meld and VOP procs
reverse magic btw
my guy they can reverse 1 root every 45s lol
just root dh is indeed the play
or just kill him works too
KINGS
I’ve been mostly playing with DH while ranking up but now I’m out of the potatoe ranks, I find DHs need quite a lot of feral affinity help from me to score kills vs healer dps teams unless we go into deep dampening. I don’t really like playing so aggressive and prefer to be a little more passive with guardian affinity and clones from a safe distance. Would I be better off with a DK or Lock partner? I feel they both have more tools to score kills against healer teams (necro/fear)
I know I should learn to be better at feral affinity but it’s just not my playstyle
I feel like I am weaker in dampening than some healers like MW, for example
Cocoon is an amazing tool for dampening
As with their teleport
The games I’ve consistently won vs healer teams have been won before dampening gets so nasty that hots are no longer enough and you have to start hard casting
@rich crag i would love to see those clips, im a simple man, i see boomie i like, i see DH die, i like
also @queen copper how do you usually play your matchups? im sure im not the only boomy here trying to hit 1800 in the 2s bracket, i also happen to play with an rsham mostly. im still gearing my boomy so i havent been in the arena yet but i typically have been playing surv hunter, ive played a lot of boomy in past xpacs so im familiar with how to play it overall
What kind of talent/essence build do you tpyically go for and what are some specific matchups where you swap to something else.
do you usually try to kill dps in healer cc setups or do you try to kill healer? or perhaps just try to pressure both while kiting
Will up my videos at some point need to edit them though first a bit 🙂
please do! need more boomie content to watch lol
Unfortunately, I play feral. LOL 🙂
: )
Good band
best feral engage atm?
is it still just apply all dots FB and re stealth watch them bleed?
bleed never kills anything anymore
so just go balls to the wall and keep your target stunned as long as possible while biting him in the ass over and over? lol
You need to use your entire toolkit to wittle someone down while waiting for incarn windows. Maim/IJ FF + bites. You also need to define the setting. 1V1, Arena, World as there are a ton of dynamics that apply to each scenario
i figured it out
u run both vitality conduit and overgrowth
and not one or the other
ez games
cuz it doesnt counter anything
thats a rip
does changing healers change anything
oh wait actually serious question time
HoD with Jungle fury or maim/wall build?
heard heart of darkness doesnt change in arenas so it's OP but moving away from maim build sounds scuffed
preference
but why is it preference
why doesnt it matter
cuz every trait we have are scuffed
what rating are you at @stray sigil
i was 2.3 earlier this week
aight
but i play with friends so my cr fluctuate
same
just trying to understand why people are playing HoD
whether its because the set is easier to get than maim build
or whether it's because its good
its a lot of raw stats
yeah i get that, but i still don't know if it's more efficient than maim/wall build
considering you use wall for dps as well
unsure
so i prefer hotd
3 hotd is like 10% mas 4% vers or something
3 mi will give u around 40% mas in pvp
yeah i mentioned that @vestal citrus
any r1 ferals in the chat
cos i feel like im getting no answers
its like when i go into pve n its just "sim yourself"
u get me
play yourself and feel it out is just like "sim yourself" tho
whats a weird build
yeah but whats a weird build
what build does he play
tony is god tier but hes not in here so i cant ask
formy plays vers crit build
im still waiting for the yearly cass stream
to ask him about it
but alas
my mans dont stream much
but this is second best
ik ferarri streams soemtimes
rarely plays feral
but hes still very good might be worth asking him too
tony and suffre stream in the morning
i dont think na ferals play much hotd
ive heard the djalex feral is insane
sketch?
big potato
whilst we're here boys
corruption, would you use r3 mind flay, r2 infinite stars
or
mindflay
yeah im thinking that too
it feels nice for me
not relying on mind flays, is procs
if u have gyushing
i feel like u should play the avoidance= haste
its very good aswell
if i had gushing
@forest kite
i wouldnt be asking the question
avoidance = haste is good ive heard 🙂
LUCKY
poggers
i just started playing pvp so i just want my questions answered
got to like 2375 in 2 weeks but
only thing though
there must be smth im missing
is that
hotd vs spites
can get very sketchy
cuz my set has 36 corruption i think
thats not true
hes answered a few of my questions
but hes not online
n i wanna know now
and have different viewpoints
bc im a noob
n im still learning
u get me
but why not
season blows
thats a shit excuse
thats an awful excuse
thats like me losing a game n saying the game is shit
and not me
when i know i can do better
so we ignore that comment
na cuz the game is shit
there are some games
doesnt matter if u played bad or good
i think ur hard stuck 2300 and u dont wanna get better
honestly
if u think the game is shit
if that makes u feel better
and you lose bc of that
i dont need to feel better tho
im just asking questions
and trying to get better myself
youre right
ive barely played pvp
think ur hard stuck 2300 and u dont wanna get better
honestly
if u think the game is shit
i dont need
a simp coming in
im telling you things how they are
imagine talking when ur blazingboosted 😉 @stray sigil
im talking to someone with less exp than me
u havent played this game much
shoot ur ign
i was curious
if ur gonna flame me
n then i ask a serious question
me?
heart of darkness - main build
atleast show ur name
my name is the same ign
so
?
ill say this
nicely
u are flaming me
for being lower cr
but
u are
negative winrate
2.3 player
flaming
im legit asking if theres anyone more experienced than me
lmao
It's always a treat when I happen to destroy elitist toxic players like eloraa in world PVP despite the talking down to people who don't have the "rating" to have valid opinions 🙂
that can answer my questions without saying "up to you"
elitist
fuck @serene dagger
ur destroying me
idk
u two
sound very
toxic
and ur obviously
getting boosted in 2s
so dont flame people
Well you are talking down to him....
simp squad inc
what is this community
but liek dont come here flaming me
You didn't it's actually entertaining but it's not surprising as players with your mentality obviously need to feel like they are always upsetting someone 🙂
u have 500 games
i am bad lmao
ok
sorry for upsetting you fuji xoxo
im sorry, i hope you dont cry yourself to sleep
@hollow flame
wooooooooowwwwwwww

u come here asking questions
youre a joke
i absolutely did
yeah but you said "its your preference"
you didnt
traits do matter
otherwise why are people running 3 main traits
2 wall traits
im confused
it doesnt matter what u pick
because game is bad?
Why delete that comment
This is the absolute epidemy of toxicity 🙂 It's magical to see it in action in it's own way haha
im legit having a conversation
thats not the point we facing humans mistakes happen
doesnt mean its not a shit game state
doesnt mean u shouldnt lose to destros
go watch axtin
yeah thats my point too tho
feel like were on the same page but ur defensive
aight i followed axtin n ill ask him then
i started pvping 2 weeks ago, u called me boosted
and youre not answering my question
i mean
It's actually insanity to imagine how this guy eloraa doesn't understand why someone he insults wouldn't be defensive 🙂
looking at check-pvp
n then you mention that im female
u look a bit boosted yes
doesnt help ur simp buddy came in here
super agressive
when i said anything about u
aggressive
lol
have u seen yourself
yep
yes that would make sense
but then again, youre still acting like a moron yeah
like chill
i admitted im bad
you have to too at some point
i didnt call you shit
screenshot
wait
lets take this to dms yeah
no point having it here
legit just spamming this for no reason
i dont care enough to dm u lol
yep def
and played for a year
sure u do
ofc u did
grats
sure thing
should have just asked "sketchy" tony
oh yes
thats not it
no but it is
its that i dont wanna hear that im shit coming from someone who got boosted in 2s
thats all
i didnt until i went to message ur buddy
and noticed
now im curious to what ull say
proof lmao
youre delusional
who even are you, im here to get answers n you dont have them
move on
ok!
why do play this build @rigid linden
Cause i get more combo points from all the crits, lets me put out more bites and also has my LOTP Crit healing alot, regrowth crit heals alot and the playstyle i do is like a sub rogue so when i want to blow someone up with Stun Feral frenzy Bite essense its almost always criting cause Tigers fury puts me at like 80% crit in PVP
its kinda gimpy but ive only gone up in rating since playing it
id still recommend 3x IJ 2x MI and 1x JF with Vers>Mastery>haste>crit for new ferals
Why? Because you wont win most games as a feral druid with ur consistent damage/ you burst someone and ride that momentum
make people shit themselves with ur opener/burst
puts u ahead of the game
when i look for vers mastery builds i go to his page
hes a king
as for corrupt
ALWAYS use maut wep
then slip in a r3 mindflay OR get urself some vers and mastery % or proc pieces
or even better a gushing wound piece is insane
even if its like haste crit shitty stats or w.e
i use these
fat as fuck
every week is dog chest week 
But ya @forest kite dont try to understand why i do my weird builds im in a swamp of my own
just do the vers mastery stuff with IJ SI
yeah scaring the healer is what i find works better for me, since i can burst a lot. I have vers and mastery amps, but also a r3 mindflay so what would you suggest i use out of those?
@rigid linden u face any spitters with ur hod build
and yeah im just tryna understand different builds, just wanna improve you know
all ive gotten is "wtf is ur burst" with my build LOL
uhm is the vers mastery amps
on vers mastery pieces?
yeah ive had that a few times, which makes me want to go more crit considering what you said about it
yeah theyre all on vers mastery pieces
Ya use those i reckon
itll also make u a better player in the long run
knowing that ur dam isnt gimped by a mindflay
sucking on ppl
thank youuuuu very much
especially if its baddies who never kill mindflay
npnp, i try and keep our race alive
and you said maim/wall build is better right?
even tho i run meme builds
ya
100%
i use maim with my crit build just for a stun but if it was IJ procced id be so happy
thats why im trying to get Jf/IJ pieces
to keep the crit and have IJ
yeah i understand that
thank you very very much
i got my answers
@rigid linden thoughts on mecha bracers with 12% crit amp?
is mecha bracers good as a standard or nah
mastery amp
mbmb
na i tested them they poop, dont even crit too
would i take them off even with my 12% mastery amp
just test it, maybe u have other pieces that give mastery on wrists that make ur total mastery more than if u would have the % amp on
tyty
ill see what else i have in my bags
probs a shit tonne since i have lots of gear
but yeah thanks for answering all my questions reasonably
yeah as much as i hate being told to just sim it or test it theres some truth to it LOL, just check stats when it comes to that typa corrupt
