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@patent dove ty
Spanks
how do you play around tentacle as people are saying?
You mean if you have it on your team? You do gos based on their proc ie when a tentacle spawns kidney/bash we
spite is a fun trinket
ya u shouldnt be able to do that lmfao
feral freanzy 
Won the game
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It does like 50k damage by itself bro
It's basically a 3rd bite
On plate
Bro I like Bt but I'm not gonna play that shit vs purge spam
They keep getting my PS first purge I swear
It's fucken 
suck some more pve bosses 
what essences are best for boomy pvp in arenas?
Death or strife for major depending on comp strife is more defensive and for the thorns. Then minor strife perfection life force
Meant to say breath
Best comp is surv rsham boomie
Corkiy has a good guide up on wowhead hes muti rank 1 boom
R2 tendie on a 465 item
prolly they insta killed it
that seems like an outlier game tbh
either u got no procs
or the dudes were super alert about it
or both
or u didnt play around ur tendies proc
Hot take
It either didnt proc, or they killed it, or it just didn't do damage
Very perceptive of you fuji
this guy

wat bout him
What's that blue ring giving him, some mad corruption huh
better now mr warden
I hope this guy isn't in this discord
RAISE MY SWORD
That guy's from my server feelsbad
F ravencrest
Hi
hi Mister xdk
Hi xdk-sama
Do you all have anything you recommend a new rdruid focus on in arenas? I feel like i'm getting my skull bashed in constantly at ridiculously low CR.
Getting double dps swapping onto me, pop overgrowth all my defensives, bear form, and basically just delay the death slightly.
What cr
~1200
What talents are you running
prosperity - wild charge - guardian - bash - cultivation - stonebark - germination. PVP: Focused growth, overgrowth, cyclone
Yeah, I had that then someone I was grouped with told me to change it.
You can swiftmend then regrowth for a bug heal
Without that your going to have a tough time getting back up if two dps tunnel you
That as well
How do you get a regrowth off with 2 dps on you? Seems like they would just nature lock me
yeah, I guess I need practice on dancing between travel/bear and healing
Make sure you use ironfur against melee when yournin bear
And frenzied regen
Make ayre you dont frenzied regen when your too high and dont get the full heal
Cool - so basically just keep working on learning to get good at bear/travel/hot and run in circles ๐
Yeah - that is actually really helpful. Struggling with what to focus on getting better at.
Have 0 arena experience since something like TBC/Wotlk so its a lot to take in while being a punching bag for 2 dps.
Yeah, I think my grid profile isn't accounting for arena dispells
or at least not in the way it displays pve ones
need to look at that.
And yeah, I don't expect my dps to peel heavily at this CR -- and regardless of that I know I'm doing so many things wrong I can't point fingers at others ๐
Im having a hard time to survive as a resto against dk and mage/rogue
Anyone can give me some tips for playstyle etc?
usually run bear, with entagnle bark and mass route against dk
bear, incarn against rogue/mague
1.8k cr in 2v2 atm if thats info u need to give tips accordingly
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what would be the fastest way to farm 20k honor
@worn bay look at what glyph said previously
the same stuff he said can be applied here
the case of rogue/mage in 2s, it's about how much throughput you can squeeze while sitting in cc
so for instance, kubzy went for C&S, lifebinders, Spirit, and flame in his 2s matches vs rogue/mage
C&S = overgrowth and the added versa when stunned
lifebinders/flame = decent stickies especially when mages klepto
Spirit = makes your regrowth like a lay on hands
trying pre-ironbark and putting down efflo when rogue and mage pop cds
so that way their smokebomb go is not as effective
also incarn not v good
sotf is going to be your go to
Alot of RDRUIDS who ask this question I always wonder wtf are their partners doing
I do 2s with kubzy and I just instantly cc the rogue mage and pop all cds
Soon as they pop 1 trinket just bash them
Use Ironbark overgrow th combo aggressively
Just tell your partner to be a Mongo
But bro
Not everyone is playing with a dps partner who starts in stealth and literally cant be polyd
Dh..
I mean
You're also playing with kubzy
Not everyone has the best rdru in the region to carry their asses
This is true
R1 Connections op
Still
Alot of RDRUIDS here who ask that question
I'm @ing you rn
What is your partner doing
Cause you can't 1v2 rogue mage
You never will
Glyphs advice is good
My advice is tell your dps before game what you want
The most important thing is
Having a plan for your things
Even if you dont know what to make of your partner's kit, ask them what they plan on doing
If they don't a plan for their cc on opener, and for trinket and defensives, ditch their asses
Cuz they'll just throw everything out in 5s and lose
Facts
True
But more so in terms of
Just being aggressive
Not in terms of
Blowing darkness netherwalk blur in the space of 10 seconds
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He guys, I've been reading this chat for a while now and there are some really good tips. But the last bit from a few hours ago is still a bit of a mystery to me. I have a fixed partner for 2s. We're both new to pvp, having started to get the c&s essence but having so much fun doing it that we kept at it. (ended at 1500s last season).
So, my question is about how to plan an arena match. Practice makes perfect obviously but what would be a good way to start?
I partner has a ww or warrior. Fury seems to work best.
Ww is just insane for 2s
Best would be to know what all the other classes can do
It's hard to really plan out a match tho
A lot of different things happen which require different responses
Omni bar/sarena/gladius good addons if u dont have IT yet
Mostly need to learn how to respond and against moves enemies make
Ok understood. But more abstract like. Try to get them to pop cooldowns and after that cc chain one and kill the other? Something like that?
And as soon as you've responded to their action, do your own action
The only thing u can plan imo is, if u wanna Play deffensive - Guardian affinity or offensive - feral affinity, rest is just a flow
Optimal would be to get their defensive cooldowns without using your own offensive ones
When we just started i tended to respond big popping everything. Now I try to respond with the minimum necessary.
But that isnt too realistic
Aye you need to respond minimal
Else you lose on the next go
Ok so having plan is more about what to use to respond to my opponent and not so much about planning out the match
Aye, you can't really plan out the match
Especially at your current rating
A lot of random stuff happening that requires handling
Really should just practice and learning how much you need to use to survive
Still, there is stuff that sort of always happens right? Usually classes wil have a burst something etc. I just need to learn my opponents better
Yes, they all do
But you dont know when or how they will do it
But its hard to just say we kill x target
Because the other target might just do something thats dumb and you can turn around and kill him instead
Don't tunnel vision 1 person
I mean there's moments you can
Its complicated ๐
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Summarised its just: see enemy do dum stuff, punish enemy for dum stuff
(learn to recognise what is dumb stuff) ๐
Ive been getting used to not using trinket when it isn't necessary. At our rating i see so many people popping trinket even for a 2 second stun. Without thinking it seems.
Correct
Especially the last part
Without thinking
If you pay enough attention you can see the enemies missuse of cooldowns and positioning
Ok thx for the info. Got work to do๐
Yhea what you need to get
Is when ennemy is doing something he shouldn't do
But you can only know that when you see people doing the good job first
How do i do that? By watching streams?
I've watched streams in the past but could never make heads or tails out of it. Perhaps now that I've played a bit more myself it will make more sense. ๐
I've never liked watching streams either tbh
I just got flamed by a friend of mine who was better than me until i played decent
My buddy gave me a lot of the belt
Well if anyone feels like abusing, I'm available ๐
I am ๐
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I find it hard to asorb information watching a stream
usually 3 people shouting
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Hmm yeah, but the 3 people shouting also helps you understand what they see
Which you might have missed
I never liked it either tho
But some people learn from em
Id say its the best "passive" way to improve
Not as good as playing but a Lot better compared to Not playing
Some people like to blame other Things when they personally Play tho like Gear, classes,teammates which doesnt Help either
I lose only because of gear and broken rmps tho
There's no point in blaming any of those tho
Just call urself a dumb idiot and queue again
Basically
Im Not saying you dont lose to Gear/comps it Just doesnt Help being upset
And you basically guaranteed didnt Play flawless
^
So Just q again
Never stop on a lose
Or on a win
Just keep playing 
Never log off
Trapped in endless cycle
Only allowed a break while ur rating is +
Not -
should i use infinite stars as a healer in 2s? just getting back to pvp and really dont know the meta in terms of corruption
it's a rank3 so i end up with a bit high corruption
Yes
Dunno Infinite Stars 3 may be worth
on warlock

without blood of enemy up
i hate playing iron jaws
do i play heart of darkness instead
or something
also mechagon trinket is giga stupid
single activation on some priest
Bite and bike seems to be with blood of the enemy crit
no, not rly, but if u have some questions, just ask here, someone might answer
<@&114146878353833984>
hmm
should have streamed those few games
but i didnt cuz im giga inter
but the ferocious bite, and trinket crit are 2 separate games
dont wake up the chief...
why can't we have stream channel?
Why
why
seems like a reasonable question
0% used
If you have a good reason not to add a stream channel id love to hear it
Yes
yea me too
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pretty sure thats the whole point of being a mod
i asked about it like months ago
that's not a moderation issue though, which is the point of the ping
i cannot control that permission

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hmm being able to stream pvp games would be pretty useful to help out actualyl
@obtuse ice Wanna Giddy On Out Of Here?
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We can use the private rooms boys

Oh but cant stream
Wait
WHy cant we stream here
What the fuck man
@hollow flame solve this issue or give us reasoning, the people have spoken and our needs must be met
there's quite a few people here and probably wouldn't be the best to be able to do
Pls don't anger the whale
The whale getting angry at being pingd for questions or discussions regarding the server would be silly
He's well known 4 eating cats n bears alike 
Which wouldnt be surprising I guess, the whale gets angered at any sign of disturbance
I swear the mods and admins in dreamgrove are the biggest snowflakes
yikes
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there's good times to ping, and kinda dumb times to ping
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like for example, the moderator ping earlier about this exact thing was kinda dumb
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don't think anyone would really care if it was personal pings too, but over a non-issue it's unnecessary
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Thyme u cute tho
But it isn't a non-issue, it can foster the sentiment of this being a community where you can ask questions and people can help you
"Hey how can I improve"
"Idk man kinda hard to tell without seeing you play"
SAY NO MORE FAM
Or we teach pvpers to use warcraftlogs 
Idk like
I dont see the downside of enabling it
Stop pinging for stupid reason.
And the answer is no, we won't enable streaming and we probably never will


Like I said, snowflake
1 word answer, no reasoning or conversation, only complain about ping and "no"
$mute 102094910101913600
oof
Done.
no real need to reason or converse, decisions were made.
Dm me if you want I can add you in my server
I'll rework it for big pvp stream
Mods here are too focused on doing sims of their big dps
Instead of arguing here
I'm gonna stream porn on ur server
$report
This incident has been reported to the proper authorities. Thank you for your time.
Thank you for retporring this issue I will get to you as soon as possible
@covert fog no need
Still better rating than u
@tardy hare i won't invite you fiend
@obtuse ice inv me
@lime light wanna join?
I do it tonight
instead of arguing
why would you rather have arguments @obtuse ice
Giving arguments just show you are just not narrow minded people
Cause from my lil brain PoV I don't see any problem enabling streaming feature
So many people asking to improve and this would be a really nice way to help people
i didn't ask about why you wanted a certain feature, i asked why you think arguing is the logical solution to anything
Discord streams in a public discord are a bad idea because they can't be realistically moderated without a mod sitting in there watching
Could be streaming anything. Porn, gore w.e.
There you go a valid reason why it's a bad idea
And I didn't even have to bully dyne or thyme this time
boom

I have a lot of public discord with streaming enabled
Don't feel like there is a lot of troubles
Oh No PORn CaN bE StrEaMed
Pointless and delusional
from my perspective even if they had it, for what purpose would it serve
stream some scrubs hot 2's sesh and take/give advice?
just use twitch for that
Yes
Aye wtf hapoened tocmy brazilian bombshell @surreal heron
My bodacious festilavie foogater
@royal hornet2face
xd
its an actually alright suggestion
we dont have any trolls in here who abuse new accounts who would stream weird shit
thankfully this is a heavily modded channel
@surreal heron
literally if u mention big scary dutch guy he is in here within seconds "enough of this shit"
think of all the applications
watching someone suck ass instead of reading tons of lines of self-biased gameplay review
"no just cast more chaos bolts" yes, let it flow through you" "yes yes hate consumes us all"
boom new guy is 2k
Actually a fucking brilliant suggestion @obtuse ice
@wise valley Ehh?!
@wise valley right but it's opening the permission to the entire server, which is just over 100k users
the residents in this channel may be fine
mods just need to chill a bit imo
@surreal heron is it not channel directive? and would they get a notif?
huh
yes, but that still allowes it to everyone
so they would have to come into pvp to stream?
yes
so considering this channel is "worth removing anyway" you could do a test run
L O L
he might have said
Different words
You ca also argue it would benefit from idk
Having an active pvp mod
Life isnt even on server?
Hes a tool
pvp role and enable people with this role to stream
should i type up a pros cons and benefits list @surreal heron
no i dont want to
its a huge obvious advancement
1 way people learn to pvp outside of personal experience is visual learning
and this channel is arguably dead af which dyne agrees and having a role specific stream availibity is OK, but even if randos could stream a 1 or 2 week test period would probably show no weird shit
2 Level 2 perks 1080P 60fps stream which is big
that still depends on your own machine
which just goes back to the twitch alternative
i've seen a lot more bad encoding on discord live than twitch
Really? Or are you being sarcastic?๐
Havenโt heard anything here about anything except bursting blood, mind fly and IS
Yhea except sunshine that gets his strength from literally nowhere cause he don't have any
Yes pls
how would i be of help, you don't even know my stance on it
so far what was given is also useful for the PVE spec channels but no one has even asked about it since the feature was release, because no one wants to actually do it.
yeah
but
its not
?
pve can be learned from reading words
its pretty stagnant
we want to do it

hmmmm
hmm
"yo watc me kill this boss or not with my guild and tell me every single time i do something wrong which can be googled because pve has a rotation"
Yikes
yeah what happened to face
@edgy oxide can u present a counter argument
you cant ask why a pve player did X action at Y minutes because its all scripted
Yikes
dont let them die or ur not good
Tru
every healer has same heals tbh
O ok
big heal small heal aoe heal overtime heal heal that maybe bounces
All pvp is the same, bad game better play something else
"can you manage the decision making to decide what heal is for when?"
vids might be helpful for healers idk
maybe the dude asking questinos hasnt told you he spams healing touch as filler
constantly
#1 prio
That would be impressive
Either way - what thyme was saying worth it
(Btw ht hasnโt existed since legion lolol)
idk what he said
Err was true
he disagreed with "buncha people asked for this in pve"
Itโs worth something for pve too
its worth almost nothing
O ok
welcome to DBM and all classes having 4 button rotation
no i crushed hat shit on my lock
Oh not bad
390-445 in 2 days
raids are a bit more binary, i'll give you that
m+ is less so though
Not for healers ๐
Poggers
you do the same thing as lower diff but faster and more conserve minded? poor choice of words
m+ has readily availible vids
everywhere
Nice
ok
sots m+ route and guide hasnt changed
also not everyone learns from videos
since bfa release
pvp has more "idk what happened in this 3 seconds to cause me to die instantly" moments
Also imagine thinking nothingโs changed with the new affix
better remove all existing info
no other info is relevant
that 1 affix
done did it all bad
Sunshine take the L bro we ain't getting stream channel
O ok
1 affix doesnt mean everything is different its 1 single affix
You know what it does, right?
affix not active? old info now relevant
imagine arguing pvp is less complex than pve because of 1 aspect
Wat
Nice
might tell formy worgen heritage is ugly af
go from not knowing how to play lock to crushing lock feels good damn
the immaculute conception of sunshines lock juice
i don't think max is saying pve is more complex than pvp, just it's not as simple as you make it out to be
You said nothingโs changed in bfa pull routes for a dungeon
okay so 1 potential not guaranteed fix changes that
im into arguing ceramics bud
im not
If youโre going to argue this stuff at least take a minute to learn it
guarantee it lol
You have no idea how any of this even works
If anything happens it happens for everyone on the server
Thereโs no difference between pve and pvp in server permissions if youโre wanting to do coaching related streaming
yeah
If a private channel gets permission to stream itโs open to anyone provided they donโt make new rolls for it
Err roles
rolls
And then that would add a stupid amount of complexity of getting permission
@surreal heron ca i get a new roll?
no
maybe something italian
Yikes
Cool story bro
im gonna go do pve now
Proud of you
and die repeatedly
no
there are easy workarounds
you can assign a chrome tab as a game
and that allows you to stream it
Crikey
Are any of you guys still playing guardian in PvP?
@rigid linden โค๏ธ
Does anyone know the values for ilvl vs stats/socket in pvp? Or is it all still a big mystery?
i think supatease is still playing it
Like a 445 mast/Vers with socket vs a 465 haste/mastery
no it's all feelycraft for the most part
usually more ilvl is better
exceptions are on rings
yeah something like that
but even then
that's still feelycraft
cuz some ppl dont like giving up haste
and some ppl dont mind
you kind of just trial and error it
but you definitely dont want to drop like
30+ ilvls for a socket
@edgy oxide i wiped on m5 mecha
not bad
gave it my best shot
i had to leave when the healer suggested i move out of aoe instead of finishing my huge chaos bolts
#dieforthebolts
whats ur armory
trying to teach a friend how to play resto druid pvp, any1 recommend stream/vods/youtube of a good rdruid playing with a melee? 2s preferably to start with.
@rigid linden wheres the stream at
Is 475 spyglass even worth considering for arena?
@worldly osprey gorecki rdruid vods, have to be subbed for them on twitch though
get mad being asked to do thier job
lol
peace out
moderated
for saying mods are papega
nazi regime

i mean, neither one of us got particularly mad and it's especially not our job to debate about a certain feature
but you already left so why even bother right
I hate people sometimes
Just use logic for 1 second to understand mods don't have time to respond to idiot ping requests that are solvable by just streaming on twitch and asking for advice by posting vods here
Instead of making a huge deal about no streaming here on this discord
it hasn't been an issue since the feature was implemented however long ago so possibly some other underlying issues
Hi any angry mooders?

If IT proces in kidney u kaput
Clear?
And they have IT baseline from raid dagger
So the chance of getting rogue with IT is 20x times higher then a normal class
yikes
It's the highest healing per corruption.. but probably not needed in pvp
Useless
any feral pvpers in here? have a few questions
no ferals here only dead channel
wheelchair feral coming through โฟ
Just hopped in shower. Let me finish up then I can ask questions sorry
@obtuse ice Feral PVP i read 2 Iron Jaws 1 Gushing 3 Masterful this still true to the cause if so.. what peices are best to 'acquire' said talents
Essences.... Flame still best? or did VoP hop a lil bit?
which is better for feral, 1 trait of WFR or 1 trait of ancient's bulwark for 2s?
both ghetto
WFR
Breath rank 2 over flame rank 3?
It's same
Hello there, i'm looking for a nice macro on pvp for the cat form + stealth. Currently my macro is :
/cast Cat Form(Shapeshift)
/cast Prowl
but sometimes it doesn't work bcuz prowl reactivate cat form. Any solution ?
then i need 2 bindings one for cat form and one for prowl :/
This one seems to work better :
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:3]
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form
/cast !Prowl
Some classic macro
but i can't prowl in combat :/
he means he wants the macro to spam cat form that doesnt shift out if u keep pressing it
i think
How good is the +12% extra versatility corruption on resto - I just dropped a weapon of it and considering to use a tropy to get it 460
havent tried but it sounds pretty good

Mastery is maybe better but apart that its prob solid
#showtooltip
/stopmacro [stealth]
/cancelaura Travel Form
/cast [noform:2] Cat Form
/cast Prowl
that should work
@gritty maple
why i got an itch to play worgen
cause formy dmed u
Is formy back?
Formy feral is back.
can anybody suggest a vuhdu setting or a weakaura i can get that will screech at me if one of my teammates is in a cc i can dispel. i sometimes get tunnel vision focused on healing and will sometimes let my dk just sit in a polymorph for 8 seconds :))
vuhdo isnt on the list of third party supported addons so it wont work for its extra raid frame then?
ok I'll try it out thank you
what u guys usually run in BGS for resto druid talent?
cause you looks cute..
would it be easier to get 1600 as feral or balanced as a non-pvper
I don't think he will
Smh

double mage is such bullshit in 2s
I can't wait for fire to be dumpster trucked in 9.0

If I'm in beta, I will submit feedback daily that gpie needs to be eradicated
almost 1600
I actually feel pretty good about hitting 1800 as rdruid
better than I do on my warrior
like how the fuck iam supposed to this fucking quest
for ripping in space
like there is no alliance to kill
why do you need that essence so
and if there is one guy, they alt f4 when iam killing them
so they hp dont move
cuz its bis
yes
U think its better than CnS?
idk i dont have it, and will never get it
Im alliance should actually be quite easy ๐
HOW in 2020 do people have 20 second load screens
@last trout i use it as feral in pvp
almost always passive 1k agi
- cloak proc
- insignia
I'll never get why when you post "CHILL 2s' cause I totally don't expect to win everything
you have jerks that still want to criticize your play
like bruhhhh, join a healer that says he's pushing
Why would you not be allowed to comment on someone's playstyle
I mean when it devolves down to him saying something like, "You f***** suck" after all you say is gg, I'm going to bed
Ofc its dumb if they say ur trash
Thats dumb to do regardless of what ur queueing
Glyph knows the way
I mean yeah, great, I died to a surv hunter with TA3 and the mechagon trinket and I wasn't prepared for that
Tell him to shut tbe fjcj up and requeue
++
It's the true reason I lose tho
Wtf u flaming me for
i mean, ye full kidney into 2 tenti procs, just be good 
Yeah me too
I love corruption effects, but they are kinda stupid for pvp
to me
No
or to my disc
its broken on disc, it procs near them
and suck melee's
so they cant kill it
I only have TA1, and ... 2 pieces of ineffable truth
not sure if I want it on resto
damn it must be good on resto then LUL
Give me the corruption
it also procs from hots?
its bad ye 
at least IS we can cleanse
it's not BiS
Cleanse it from being totally broken
Meanwhile still get blasted from initial hit anyway

isn't it great when the enemy has 40-50% of his damage from something he can proc autoattacking?
Like I said, I love it in pve
I like being brokenly op
but pvp, meh
that rdruid is setting his goals low
xD
I've been getting 475 paladins
LOOL
Psure its 11:22 tho
any tips how to find 10 alliance players in nazmir
Ur clock stopped working
Bruh glyph where the fuck u live
@lime light pay somebody to kill him 10 times xD
I gotta do mythics tonight
cant, only works first time
Fuck same
@lime light Join a CTA group and camp a tortollan quest
@vestal citrus
seekers are an emissary right now
Sleep is for the weak
tomorrow at 8pm I'll get some juicy 475 dps and get carried
I'm a weirdo, I can't carry anyone, but I can definitely get carried
@thorny venture actually good idea lol, a lot of grps like that smh
Might log in this week
I kinda want 1800, even if that elite leather set sucks compared to cloth and plate
I think im ready to pump juice glyph
Not sure yet
PUMP JUICE CRUSH THE WEAK
Im gonna play with my 440 geared friend that finished his master thesis and got 0 corruptions...
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He's gonna outsmart the opponent
cloak rank 5 player inc
And then die
ontop of that he is survival hunter instead of DH ๐ค
Oof
druid is an alt, he only has cloak rank 10 cause he has no td yet
Rank 3 cloak
Just wait until im vop rank 3
And u got a mob of infernals clappin yo booty in the dal aran sewers
pet stun trap clone bash clone ๐
Yuck
oof
Sethrekk druid when
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Gonna do mythics and buy a world.tour for my feral to cheese gearing
Oof

What ilvl is from m10?
Pray to god i get mecha key
junkyard?
yes
Nice
and u can get urself a bike ๐
Can always buy a key in trade
250k, +15
No
I mean any key
Like a 2 or 3 or whatever noob has a mecha key
And run them
My girl played her very first character last night
I need to do that on my baby paladin
Night elf hunter. "I can see why this is addicting"
I didnt tell her about BoA gonna make her level the hard way 
you're gonna cry when she steals your account
grr, silence is annoying the rare times you face it
"Just let me lock you from casting despite you not casting anything"
meh, 1550 still
Got to 1580
but lost to a couple teams with TA3
gotta love that
Like you can have a 475 raider lose to a 460 char because the raider only has td3 so far
Great for pve, rip 2s
I'll get it after I sleep 8 hours, I believe!
Yes
4 weeks if u have 0






