Are we talking about 2s
#pvp
sharp wasp
I was asking about bear in 2s. But stating my boom does well in bgs
clear pulsar
Ye
Boomie is good in bgs
Bgs and arena are entirely different tho. Even 2s v 3s have some variability in what is strong.
sharp wasp
Ive never tried it. I'm assuming its about the partner.
clear pulsar
Well people cant line your burst in rbgs
And there will usually be other casters in the team taking the dicking
So you are more free to do damage
Like glyph said, you'd have to win in 2s through people pillar humping for 10 mins whenever you think you have the burst to finish the game.
wise valley
wtf
where tf do i get string
these fucking creeps blowin my ass up
the middle east out ehre
obtuse ice
offtopic
wise valley
fuck u
clear pulsar
Spiders drop strings I think
molten rapids
Can someone explain to me how vitality conduct minor (raid heal essence) works in arena with dampening and when to use it as healer
hardy musk
What essences are Feral's liking? I didn't see anything in the pinned on it (sorry)
deft portal
Usually CoF major, Lucid/C&S minors I believe
stray sigil
if u have clf its a better minor than lucid imo
clear pulsar
The only thing I dislike about CLF is when it procs it keeps you in combat
So if you try to restealth it can fuck you over
deft portal
Yeah, I wasn’t sure about Lucid, I just end up carrying that over from PvE
clear pulsar
But it's quite good damage
hardy musk
gotcha, thanks! I'll play around with both
deft portal
Though even though the energy regen might not be crucial in PvP, I’d think the Vers gain would be decent from Lucid.
clear pulsar
I think lucid is worth running, if anything I'd replace CNS with CLF
deft portal
Ah...usually stuck with CNS for the same reason, figuring the Vers gain is decent all around.
deft portal
Yeah...kind of on par with Azerite traits being meh....
deft portal
I know you’d hate me saying this but I just can’t get up the effort to build an actual PvP set of Azerite with MI...and I know you’d say use it for both 😜
clear pulsar
Ferrari, tony, fuse, sifox
The fuck you mean "build"
It's only an issue if you just subbed last week
And have 1 set of azerite
Or if you refuse to play the rest of the game
deft portal
I waste all of my Residuum, including scrapping for more of it...to get a better helm for PvE....keep getting Flashpowder over and over and over....
clear pulsar
MI is a lot more impactful than you think
You ever get a 100k bite without it?
Also flashpowder has MI!??????????????
And tradewinds big mastery
deft portal
Ok....here’s the thing....I only casually PvP at this point.....
deft portal
I love doing it....but will go weeks sometimes without setting foot in a BG or Arena.
echo creek
clear pulsar
Right, but how do you not have multiple sets of azerite 4 months into the season?
hardy musk
whats best essence on engi helm?
clear pulsar
Do you scrap everything that isn't your main raid set?
deft portal
Like I said....bad rolls....keep gambling on helm trying to get Irontide or Slithering Loa...got Flashpowder 4 out of 5 gambles in a row, then two repeats after that.
clear pulsar
Orgozoa shoulder + flashpowder and like half the chests from residuum and boom, you have bis azerite for pvp
I was unsubbed until like september
deft portal
I’m kind of a slave to pushing as high of DPS as I can in raids atm....but I can’t follow your lead on the MI train....just like having the defensives in my back pocket too much.
clear pulsar
Is slithering loa better than zaqul helm tho?
deft portal
I can’t get M Zaqul helm....will be lucky if my guild gets Org down before the end of the tier.
clear pulsar
Yeah so start using MI
deft portal
loa is a bit worse than Zaqul
echo creek
Orgo is a great fight for MI you have preassigned defensive uses 
clear pulsar
Unforch my guild fell apart when we had a 1% wipe on queen's court with our spriest dying twice before anyone else did, as he did in half the wipes before that as well.
So is Queen's Court
deft portal
Yeah....it’s not that I think it CANT work for me....it’s more a mental block thing....like the time I don’t have SI available and it kills me I’ll be too pissed off.
clear pulsar
Especially cuz you're bleeding 2 targets
@vestal citrus he's a shitter
That's why guild fell apart
Some of us didn't wanna keep saying it's fine just because we raid 4h a week, people can be shitters
Like the spriest would legit go soak charge with fanatical verdict on him
????????????????????
MI is great for boss damage but not for parsing in orgo I Feel
Cuz swipe spam doesnt scale with mastery
Neither does iris beam
deft portal
It’s something I’d consider if we are struggling and can’t push to P2 fast enough. At least in that fight as you said the defensives are decently planned out. I’ll definitely be stuck on boss damage so...
deft portal
I don’t mind as long as we kill the thing eventually. Just hard to say at this point, bit more of a casual bunch.
wise valley
@vestal citrus hey bb
not much how u doin baby boy
wait
brb gotta carry this game as garen mid
S rating or higher dont worry i wont let you down
what do you do for work?
tiny oar
Wow glyph is john wick confirmed
wise valley
oh so ur a cop
wise valley
rancid plover
is it possible to write a macro for solarbeam + roots that is similar to a stopmacro when entangling roots is being casted?
so i dont interupt my cast and can spam my solar beam
yeah something like that
like a stopmacro command for casting instead of channeling
i dont want it to is what im saying
/stopmacro [channeling:...} is the common WW monk one
but channeling doesnt apply to casts
and casting:... doesnt work
tiny oar
Big mongoose bites
wise valley
also cleared out a desert temple and have 2 diamond ore
minecraft is the game wow wishes it could be
tiny oar
clear pulsar
Word
clear pulsar
You'd never do taht
tiny oar
Survival is pretty fun 
wise valley
idk what survival is
tiny oar
U shoot pew pew serpent stings n u get a dog friend n u run real fast :)
tiny oar
south heron
Can you guys help me understand why it doesnt feel like my heals "do" much
i feel like i constantly have a lot of hots on the target and their health just melts anyway
how is 18% mastery
clear pulsar
Good enough
It's unlikely that you'll just heal through enemy cds without popping your own
Resto is busted, if people are just melting your team is playing wrong
south heron
and what about dealing with dh/resto shaman
clear pulsar
And nobody can infer what it is by just your question "what am I doing wrong?"
south heron
my teammate just flamed me hard for not being able to heal through it
and idk how to heal when i have two purges on me at all times
clear pulsar
Well you kite the rsham around pillars
And force him to heal instead of spam purge
You can also try some build v purge, Cenarion Ward cant be purged, Overgrowth is good
Cultivation cant be purged either but I dont think it's worth personally
Spring blossoms might be good depending on your partner
hardy frost
Any tips for healing against a hpal? Ik rdruid is busted but i find myself ooming when theyre still at full mana with lucid/vates as often as possible. Trying to take every opportunity to drink, but not really sure how to deal with them
clear pulsar
Hpala mana doesnt matter
Your team has to force cds faster
If you arent able to win before you oom
There are no tips for healing against hpal cuz
Hpal isn't the guy doing damage for you to heal
obtuse ice
It looks cool
west oasis
@hardy frost in 2s you can also catweave on pala
dish out alot of pressure on him
@south heron to add on to what face said, if rsham is purging, he's not in ghost wolf..
normally i dont recommend hitting healers, but in this case, it's better to do it and force him into ghost wolf so he's focusing on surviving himself rather than purging you or your teammates
still magnet
I don't know what comp youre specifically playing in 2's, but generally lining the Rshaman seems like a viable strategy especially if he is going to purge you clean on every stun from the DH putting you in danger of dying. In addition to that you can also play like VERY VERY Far on some of the bigger maps like Tol'Viron Arena and just spam look for stealths. That in conjunction with Bash + Cloning DH whenever he is lined of his healer so you cant get sheared or potentially (I find good success with this) playing entangling bark vs DH is very nice a lot of the times @south heron
Some comps require you to play far more aggressive like if youre playing with a Rogue or Hunter for example, but running relent and just fucking fleeing vs DH + Rshaman is always a pretty reliable strat. Just seek restealths, and rake stun into clone on the DH if possible, root him far from his healer, and just be a neusance. Understanding how to escape burning while playing relent as rdruid also helps (depends on rating if the DH will actually know what he is doing and you knowing how to always punish it will help)
clear pulsar
Oh homeboy plays guardian for 3 days and suddenly he's a paragraph writer in #pvp
Yeah what Tettles said
south heron
now just to find a partner that is decent while also not telling me to kill myself after a lose
thanks for all the help @west oasis @still magnet
fair blade
Anyone here using Savage Roar for arenas? Im currently using Incarnation but i want to increase my non-burst damage
still magnet
Man I’ve been 2.4k in 2’s for the past 2 seasons healing 😦 @clear pulsar
molten rapids
Tettles how do you deal with the enemy healer getting quite some drinks in as Guardian druid comp in 3s especially vs. caster cleaves or Rogue Mage. I feel like I (DH) are usually CCd quite a lot and cant always get them
clear pulsar
Haha
still magnet
You get a better DH
clear pulsar
Nice
molten rapids
😄 guess i replace myself
still magnet
But realistically you and your healer (if they’re the ones being trained) need to be playing on top of their healer as the DH can’t always be connecting
Vs MLD basically the guardian needs to sit on the mage the whole time. MLD is just a really hard matchup
Like realistically your healer needs to be the one helping whether it’s rock elemental or whatever and the guardian tags with Moonfire whenever the healer is in range.
Like with Fear and Poly and Coil and Roots and everything there’s only so much as a DH that you can do and sometimes your best bet is to hit the Mage and let the Druid run off and get the healer
I need way more practice on it myself. We only have like a 30% WR vs RMD. You cannot let them drink though
It’s by far your worst matchup
molten rapids
Yeah we faced similar problems. Going well and then they get one drink in and its over. Not being in voice doesnt help, so not good coordination
molten rapids
Do you ever stream arena? Dont usually see any Guardian druid streamer or anyone playing that comb
molten rapids
I noticed the long games and opponents doing some rude emotes on you 😄
still magnet
LOL
Ppl like to pretend that it’s bullshit I’m playing tank, but we legit have warlock and DH which is equally as tanky as Guardian Druid
PVP is something else right now
DK and Mage are also insane to kill
molten rapids
I mean the guardian i play with still got 2 shot by CBs
still magnet
Dude I literally eat DS + Infernal sometimes if the DH has to stay on the healer
You just gotta wall or get grounding or get shear on the lock because you have to stop GPyro
Greater Pyro is the worst ability in the game my god
ill legit just lock them on scorch half the time so they cant keep fire blasting
Mage is the worst by far
like Guardian beats RMP solely because you can line the mage all game and just fucking destroy the rogue
pretty much
just gotta demo shout and intim roar him and hope nobody gets insta killed
bashing and instantly getting trinket is always pretty nice though
i used to root beam that shit as moonkin
Yep, we legit have like 80% WR against any RMP variant
then just like cannot fucking beat a MLD
tiny oar
@still magnet have you tried queuing guardian rdruid in 2s yet? Curious if it has potential
still magnet
I heard theres some bullshit with Guardian + DH in 2's
is there even a comp that is good into MLD?
Like some TSG with a shaman or some shit
something that can split
like put the DK on the mage and put War on the lock
Turbo would legit be good vs MLD
but Enhance is in the trash rn
tiny oar
Veri was getting rocked by war dh with double tank trinkets for a few games today
still magnet
TFW you beat DonnyC at 2650 MMR and then get fucking just rolled by a 2400 MLD the very next game
@vestal citrus very cool!
that guy is a freak
that was the hardest RMP match we had all day
like he is the only person ive ever seen use MC in PVP too
like priests just dont use that button
and i feel like that is so criminal it is insane
tiny oar
Wizk has nasty mcs
still magnet
Like it kinda makes sense that people dont use it because it DRs with Fear
but even still I feel like it is so under utilized just to let people cycle back to kidney / whatever
or just negate darkness 100%
yeah
like get mced at 10% on your darkness right as your healer is coming out of CC
and youre just like "oh we lost"
tiny oar
Yea wiz and pika 2s, healers just watching their partners get mced and die to dots after they get cds. Oof.
fleet panther
is there a guide for guardian druid arena?
vestal rain
I have seen alot of rdruid not playing clone when playing melee comps, ppl not using clone with dh/warr in 3s?
coming from playing RMD most of the times this feels so weird
lofty jasper
what traits for guardian pvp ?
obtuse ice
Can we make guardian a ban word
vestal rain
Yes please
livid wasp
is wow fucked
im on eu cant log on and had some queue on battle net cant see any friends when logged on
tiny oar
@obtuse ice big mood, heavily agree.
west oasis
@vestal rain yeah most druids dont go clone in meleecleaves cuz pure healing/utility is enough to win games
odd juniper
@west oasis what about rdruid in 2s? When playing with destro should i use clone or should i stick with master shapeshifter?
west oasis
MS most of the time
west oasis
@still magnet @vestal citrus i think loony and whaazz were talking about how MLD is like God comp from MoP
very few ways to kill them
and if played perfectly, jsut unstoppable vs anything
west oasis
yeah mage and lock are alrdy pretty tanky and druid just elevates that to another level lmao
and good luck trying to focus either of them
mage sheep/blizzards you
lock fears/coils
go on the druid, and you're most likely fucked all around
xd
clear pulsar
Ah yeah I hate the ashvanes map
fair blade
Hey guys!
Does anyone here know a small-medium sized discord for people that want to do arenas? Im lacking a partner atm and would need to scout a bit
west oasis
worldofpvp
NA = oasis/Forum squad
but discord is not really the best place tbh
lfg honestly the best place to find partners
clear pulsar
Yeah neither of those are any good for finding partners to play with
Forum squad nice to hang out tho
west oasis
trial and error in lfg
forest kite
pain and suffering in lfg
west oasis
sometimes, you just have to bite the bullet and teach the other player how to play
takes time
but if the person is willing to learn, it pays off
forest kite
yea, i am fine with that but I found a rdruid geared enough for my DK alt
he takes guardian affinity and MS vs casters
and does not listen when i tell him to take overgrowth instead
but I guess if there is no better place gotta do lots of trial and error
west oasis
yeah
it's hard to find a mature/good healer
since they're so rare
all the good healers get taken pretty quickly since they establish a big network really quickly
but ye, if a healer is bad but is teachable/coachable
i'd ride it out with him and see where it goes
if he/she plateaus hard , just move on
obtuse ice
😎
clear pulsar
Emo is anything but mature
vapid elbow
twitch.tv/sipsx 2500 feral doin 3s fmp
clear pulsar
Thanks for linking that brother
vapid elbow
np friend
teal hemlock
Is it still worth to play clone in destro/resto 2s?
surreal heron
lime light
😡
tiny oar
tardy hare
@rigid linden the new feral isnt very different
You know how you'd go bear form to take reduced damage?
U jusr dont leave it anymore now
rigid linden
LOL
celest oracle
Its okay to be sad about the new kitty playstyle 😂
surreal heron
me irl
tropic schooner
wise valley
bro i wanna visist the vosges
obtuse ice
Oh I know this place
wise valley
yeah i hope so
its in france
sick of dark forests
need lighter wood to chop fast
obtuse ice
Stop playing minecraft dude
wise valley
lmfao
obtuse ice
Go wow
livid wasp
Guardian druids WeirdChamp
lime light
odd juniper
my country so proud
forest kite
i was joking about destro lock getting buffed
but actually they are via vision of perfection proc chance buff 🤡
fleet panther
is guardian druid viable in 2s? with like a disc priest or rdruid?
obtuse ice
No
ancient wraith
Hey guys, i have a question about feral pvp. what are the beste azerit traits? is 3 times main trait and 3 wildfreshing good? or tigers fury better? what is about masterfuls instincts ? what is about middle ring, more heal or dmg better?
maim trait*
i cannot find any good guide
obtuse ice
Imo 3 maim 2 Masterful instincst
Then try to get heed my call
And barkin one idk the name
ancient wraith
ok ty^^
forest kite
how much reduction does 3x mi give in pvp ?
vestal rain
third [Grove Tending] or 1st [Rampant Growth]? Resto
rigid linden
Pins
vestal rain
Doesnt really answer my question though
checked both guides already
maybe you replied to zunic
west oasis
probably a Rampant growth tbh
i used to say stack GT but the added benefits is very miniscule
better to have diversity in your hots
clear pulsar
@forest kite I have 31% dmg reduction from armor. With 3x MI in pvp it goes up to 44%
clear pulsar
Pretty useful yeah
Definitely
I only have 1 iron jaws tho
Def prefer MI over it now
Iron jaws just too inconsistent
forest kite
Feral would be good without the damn bite nerf
clear pulsar
And 1x still makes me not feel awful pressing maim
forest kite
GL and the last one?
clear pulsar
Not GL
Fuck that
Weak shit
1x jf 1x waking dream
Woud prefer 2x jf but
Dont have good chest
obtuse ice
@rigid linden
sturdy agate
okay thank you 🙂
rigid linden
@@obtuse ice big bad wolf
forest kite
so low vers must be paper
west oasis
eh should be okay
versa is nice but what saves you most of the time is good pre-bear/pre-barks with some peeling
clear pulsar
Vers might save you if you didnt pre hot yourself
But 10% mastery means 46% more healing you're doing to yourself
Mastery v good
Versa v good too
All stats v good for rdru I feel
Idk
My resto set super balanced
Or I could go 2k mastery like my feral set huge regrowths
tiny oar
If I got rid of my crit pieces I could have like 1600 haste 1800 mastery 1000 vers maybe
Would be pretty dope
west oasis
yeah all the stats pretty good on rdruid
clear pulsar
No bueno
clear pulsar
But good amount of haste for clones, good amount of versa for a bit of surv, good amount of mastery for big heals
that's where it's at fo sho
tiny oar
Yea crit straight useless in pvp for sure dont mind it for keys though
clear pulsar
Yeah just changed 1 piece and now all the crit I have is only from the necklace
1k haste, 1750 versa, 1250 mastery. Looks like big pump.
Just cba playing resto and losing games cuz I'm ass
:(
tiny oar
My gear is pretty disgustingly good though, up to like 5 sockets in arena gear, need a socketed ML ring and better gloves/wrists is all
Sub to the gore learn from the god rdruid vods
clear pulsar
I mean
I'm sure I could climb higher as resto
Even right now
Than feral
But like
When I lose as feral I can blame my partner
If my partner dies while I'm healing it's kinda all my fault
:P
I don't like not having someone to blame
loud axle
is voodoo totem nerfed for dps
odd juniper
Prolly not, using on boomkin and its ok
wary pier
this a good comp? lol
tiny oar
x d
lime light
😳
quasi cove
what is currently the best way to farm honor? korrak's or random BG's?
west laurel
obtuse ice
!report
wise valley
nothing like hiding in your room playing minecraft on thanksgiving
surreal heron
stray sigil
think its ok for feral
vestal rain
Alright ty
forest kite
Quartermaster prize can be turned in for trophy based on your highest 2v2 or 3v3 ranking?
short sapphire
yo im 
what are the best balance rbg trinkets, i got all raid trinkets at 445 etc
tiny oar
Doing the lord's work sips
teal hemlock
i fell asleep before i could follow up my question last night about clone, i basically never played it until now in 2s with a lock.Is it useful to play with or is just playing OG/MS/Thorns/FG just as good around 2.2k?
heard so many mixed opinions on cyclone
forest kite
It's extremely useful. U can clone important CD like on karma, fists, rupture, PS just to name a few. Make setups and Land kills with it, or stop healing low hp target.
I mean vs monk or arms I'm not sure why u would take MS instead of clone
west oasis
i mean ti depends right (not saying you're wrong)
like sometimes locks dont really need it cuz they just need one infernal setup to win
so they rather you provide pressure on healer
but like, just talk to your lock about it and see what he wants
teal hemlock
Yeah that makes a good point he thinks i should play it also, i was going with the thinking of “it drs with fear so its pointless” but we do struggle a lot with warrior matchups so im gonna try play it for a night and see how it goes. I also wondered about playing with spring blossoms and when that would be a good choice
west oasis
when fights are mostly stationary. spring blossoms become really good
teal hemlock
Yeah, so like warrior matchups maybe rogue etc?
I find we lose basically always aginst arms comps coa the damage onto the lock is just insane like 20k+++ and even if i play pretty offensive we still lose on mana / damp
pallid turtle
I find myself dying to rogues fastly, tips?
west oasis
as rdruid?
and yeah buckie, it can be vs warriors
although stonebark is almost always better tbh
lines up vs battlecry really well
pallid turtle
yeah as restro
west oasis
the basic tips are like, pre-bearing kidneys and trinketing blind when vendetta goes off
stand 40 yds, and if he moves up to you, he probably wants to kidney you.... good idea to pre-vortex the shadowstep so he goes back in place
root when you can
obtuse ice
Check your dr so you know when you are safe and when he's going to pump you
Tbh in bear rogue isn't that scary
And as I think he plays with disc try not being hitted to much
rigid linden
@clear pulsar sorry i never replied, dont stream feral gameplay cause i got no1 to play with man LOL
clear pulsar
That's sad brother
clear pulsar
We live in a society
tiny oar
Bottom text
obtuse ice
😶
sonic copper
Looking for a 30-39 horde player for some arenas because I can’t find anyone to play arenas with me. I’m NAE btw
clear pulsar
Is that an age requirement?
sonic copper
No?
clear pulsar
I dont follow
sonic copper
It’s a lvl
sonic copper
No lvl 30-40
clear pulsar
Like
sonic copper
Charcter lvl
clear pulsar
Skirmishes are already sort of dead
Let alone low level skirmishes
But wish you luck finding a partner
If that's how you wanna level
Bgs are more efficient by a mile
obtuse ice
xd
crude fern
Do sockets work in arena?
clear pulsar
Yes
wild hound
Any suggestions for what to run as a partner for 2s as guardian? I'm 1650 currently but been carrying low gear guildies in them and want to push higher.
stray sigil
don't play guard
crude fern
^
wild hound
I mean, it's working though.
I've been able to bring guildies with like 200k health in and win consistently. I think a high damage healer like disc or H pally would work.
west oasis
i mean sure, but you would just lose to something like dh really hard as you go up
cuz mana burn is op
guardian works better in 3s tbh
wild hound
Probably. I end up killing melee comps by myself usually.
Or they kill themselves by attacking me I mean
Huh. I tried some 3s as guardian. It really didn't work out as well for me. Might have been the comps too. Not sure.
west oasis
guardian/dh/x (rdru, pala, sham) is pretty okay
you're more of support class for like the first 5-7 minutes
then your cleave damage picks up in mid-late dampening since healer should be oom (or close to oom)
wild hound
Yeah, pretty much how it usually goes.
Also, found out yesterday after a rogue decided to be a bitch and drag the match out to 100% dampening that bears still Regen via Ysera's gift.
clear pulsar
Best healer would likely be resto shaman @wild hound
You definitely want a beefy healer that can 1. survive being trained, and 2. not have mana issues
And rsham helps you get pressure on resto druid teams
Also
It's uncouth to call other people bitches for dampening when you're the one playing guardian
Tettles is one of the highest guardians in NA, hard as it may be to believe
He suggests 3x undulating tides
1x waking dream also
wild hound
I mean. He was 20% health and was only able to burst me for 120-200k at a time before trying to vanish again/chain stun, and realized that I was still gaining health. He was pissed, drug the match out on purpose, then whispered me after making a horde toon on my server and told me to go drown myself because I was scum of the earth.
clear pulsar
All of those things sound in line with reality
Sorry bro but people get pretty pissed playing vs a spec that does nothing for 10 mins and then just wins cuz you legit cant kill them
But dont let the toxicity get to you
wild hound
I mean... I do damage though.
wild hound
Depending on setup I can burst extremely hard with my gear.
clear pulsar
You do the same damage throughout the entire match, no peaks and burst, and if it takes you 5 mins to get someone to 20%, it's still gonna take another minute to finish them off, which is unlikely cuz at that point the enemy healer is cycling through their cds already
No you really cant
Another suggestion
Looks like you got crucible major on
Play anima of death
That's the one that bursts
That's the only burst you'll have really
But saying it's "extremely hard" is just wrong no matter what point of view you're coming from
Some other guardians dont play undulating tides tho
There isn't much of a guide or resource for it in arena cuz
It's not something a lot of people enjoy playing
And it's kinda become a thing very recently
wild hound
With that trinket I linked, if I run incarnation and pop that, I do quite a lot of damage in the incarn window.
clear pulsar
I dont think incarn is something anybody uses for pretty much any content, right? And all it does is let you spam Mangle right? I'd be surprised if it hits for even like 20k on leather or higher armor with badge up
clear pulsar
Right, so lets you spam mangle
Swipe doesnt have a cd
And mangle does more instant damage than thrash
So no reason to thrash over it except to maintain stacks
wild hound
I end up throwing mauls in when I get enough rage and then use thrash because of the pvp talent.
clear pulsar
The one from CnS?
wild hound
Yeah.
clear pulsar
I dont think anyone plays that
Maybe it's good idk
But I've never seen anyone take it
clear pulsar
Yeah, most of your damage is moonfire
And then most of your win condition is being tanky and buffing your teammates
wild hound
The other options for the 3rd pvp trait are meh though.
I take den mother and the damage transfer, but the rest of them are situational or better for BGs
clear pulsar
Demo roar is insanity
Hello?
Alpha challenge
Literally 9% damage buff to everyone
crude fern
I got muted for a week because I played against a guardian druid and I said some bad things to him (:
wild hound
In 2s you only get 6% out of alpha challenge.
And demo roar is alright in some places, sure.
I take it against ret and DHs usuallt
clear pulsar
See how low thrash is? No swipes even
This is a game where tettles outdamaged his DH and both enemies
Sharpened claws is not better than alpha challenge or demo rar
I dont think you understand how powerful demo roar is
It's a 20% damage reduction on a 30s cd. Some specs' only defensive cds are 20, or 30%, on MUCH LONGER CDS
Boomies's barkskin literally 20% dr on double the cooldown
wild hound
I'm willing to try different things. Which is why I asked in here. I'm definitely not a pvp expert, I just started getting into it recently.
clear pulsar
So to put this into numbers. If tettles plays thrash talent, his damage goes up 2.75%. If he plays alpha challenge, it goes up at least 6%. On top of it, alpha challenge would also buff his partner(s)'s damage.
On a different comparison. Say you're doing 15k dps and enemy is also doing 15k dps. If you use sharpened claws, you go up to 500 dps, assuming perfect uptime, which isn't likely. If you take demo roar, you reduce the enemy's dps by at least 800 dps, if they're doing precisely the same dps throughout the whole game, which they arent, so their dps would likely go down more than 800 cuz you'd use demo roar when they're bursting.
Overrun also looks like something that has potential
Vs things like mages
wild hound
It does work pretty well against high mobility comps.
With wild charge, skull bash, and that, you can pretty much stick to a target permanently.
west oasis
@clear pulsar when reqy played guardian early this year
he used it like a psuedo interrupt
we vs'd mage/lock in 2s
kicked lock fear
overrun mage sheep
was pretty pog
wild hound
Yeah. You can wild charge/bash too for another one.
And roar also interrupts.
I need to get null barrier rank 3.
clear pulsar
Overrun?
There you go
Also reqy played guardian?
What the fuck
Is that a common theme for old washed 3k players?
wild hound
Guardian is more of a necessity for me right now. I only started doing arenas because I need CnS rank 3 for raid and my bear was the only really geared spec I had. I've been trying to play a bit of resto in arenas though. Just not very familiar/good with it yet.
wary pier
@wild hound i have been running with a Unholy dk and we doing pretty well
wild hound
As guardian or resto?
wary pier
Guardian and unholy
clear pulsar
Resto will be much more effective in 2s, especially if you dont have a consistent partner
Well, efficient is really the word
But if you dont have the azerite items to spare
Then it's unlucko
rigid linden
This entire channel must be purged.
The Guardian druids are going to start thinking theyre doing things to win the game
wary pier
I just play for fun and since thats the only toon I play why not enjoy myself I am sure there are others that play it for fun surely.
west oasis
@clear pulsar yes, that man saw that shit coming a mile away
i thought he was a fucking lunatic for playing it
clear pulsar
Just expect the toxicity and keep doing you, brother
clear pulsar
I do have a really hard time seeing how someone can enjoy playing guardian
I could see enjoyment in getting free wins, but from the gameplay? Hard pass
@west oasis bro true, how long ago was it? 10 months?
west oasis
something liek that lol
@vestal citrus atleast guardian can do somethin in bear
poor moonkins cant even moonfire 😢
rofl
great balancing choice btw
wild hound
I do kinda have fun as guardian when I'm able to 1v2 people. It's amusing to me.
wary pier
I love playing it and its the only toon i have played since Wrath I was thinking of picking up hunter but gearing and essances what a pain in the ass
rigid linden
Have any of yall actually played feral
Linung up your stuns, damage, utility and cooldowns to completely shit on a team in 5 seconds is fun
To each their own but shit mang i cant accept . guardian gameplay as fun,i can accept that people have fun with the stupidness of ot
wild hound
I mean, it's even more stupid in most BGs.
wise valley
Im feelin really lusty right about now
lime light
👍
sharp wasp
Need some advice. i have no rating yet. I need to get 1000 for conflict r2. So what's the best way to get 1000? My guild doesnt do alot of PvP so I'll be on my own to figure it out.
tropic schooner
play resto in 2s
sharp wasp
Yeah so i know nothing about resto just boom and bear.
tropic schooner
it is actually possible to lose rating at 1k
you just need really low mmr
if you cant/dont want to play resto prolly bear is decent
find some other dps
and just
to 1k
sharp wasp
So random que with bear gotcha. Ty guys.
tropic schooner
would still say resto is easier
sharp wasp
Ive never played resto and dont have resto gear. But 1000 is easy no?
tropic schooner
gear is pretty much irrelevant
if you have cyclo blast
crucible
and some azerite with which you can select resto traits
thats pretty good
sharp wasp
if I havent ever healed so I would be terrible at resto I'm thinking
sharp wasp
So apparently there are no bear PvP guides? Recent ones anyway. So in arena what major would u take? Lucid?
muted edge
How is resto kitty super strong? I've seen videos of people ruining people
tiny oar
Go cat form master shapeshift apply full bleeds n BITE kids for 60k crits
lime light
the real alpha ferals
play BT
that was bt tf on use
into
anyway if target is mail + maim is shit
shut otter
Feral only good for duel, other class is stronger
Rdrood the only pvp spec of drood
For arena
Balance for bg
muted edge
Oh okay. I've never played resto so I thought I might give it a shot soon
shut otter
😂😂😂😂
sharp wasp
@forest kitewhat major do u like for guardian?
clear pulsar
Should always try to maintain sunfire and moonfire too
wild hound
@sharp wasp If you're doing 2s I usually take crucible major over anima as guardian. I try to get it stacked twice and save it for when they are lower health for burst damage.
@sharp wasp See if you can get a high damage healer, pref H pally or disc priest or a big dick DPS for your partner. Unholy or even frost DK work well with bear. Unholy works better against healing comps, spam necrotic strike on the healer and blow everything.
teal hemlock
Thanks to all the help in this channel me and my partner hit 2200 tonight! We appreciate it 😇
200 rating to go lol
wise valley
@vestal citrus @surreal heron
hey
how u guys doin
@teal hemlock the sky is the limit bro
surreal heron
hello
teal hemlock
TRU
wise valley
Hello
west oasis
@teal hemlock grats
sly musk
wrong discord
lime light
@wise valley Sky is the limit and you know that you keep on Just keep on pressin' on
vestal rain
Ppl playing Guardian, are you even enjoying urselves?
Like holy fuck games take long
wild hound
Sometimes they do
vestal rain
Feels like old 2s again
wild hound
Really depends on your comp and the comp they have.
obtuse ice
Guardian is really fun.
wild hound
I'm willing to concede the fact that it's probably not fun at all for the people who have to deal with it
crude fern
what talents do I go as boomy? or is there a guide cause I for sure can't find one xdd
crude fern
ye just gotta get quick cap w my mate
wild hound
Resto or guardian is your best bet.
Boomkin either 100 to 0's someone or instantly melts.
crude fern
eh they're focusing my friend so its fine atm xd
wild hound
What is your friend running?
crude fern
fire
wild hound
... I can't imagine you guys are having a good time
teal hemlock
@clear pulsar yes sir resto 🙂
although this morning all the timers have disappeared from my omnibar
why do they keeop doing this
happens like once a week
rigid linden
I miss being big scary formrage
Feral just becomes less and less valueable to the point where ppl have figured out guardian does netter
:( feelsbad
obtuse ice
:<
crude horizon
In your opinion what specs and talents, also gear is the best for pvp rn.
For classic
fringe stream
As guardian my favourite is rolling to rogue spriest x. Just leave the game boys its over you got no hope.
I try pug every night and get spat on and abused. Just queue mld into me xd
outer sage
wise valley
@vestal citrus do u know recky's @?
yeah
the monk gy
i used to have him on discord
@west oasis is part of NA PVP
i got kicked out
for trolling
but
i just saw a dropped 91 civic SI
he would love it
no
recky the monk/dk
washed up pvp player
he got memes
fuck
tiny oar
Who the hell is recky
wise valley
mmm
nujabes
will say
i hoep
huge car thoughts right now
i dont have his PMs anymore
fuck
clear pulsar
Reqy is not reckful
tiny oar
What is going on
clear pulsar
He hasnt really queued since you became a relevant person and then faded into washed status
I think he's like a cata/mop rank 1
obtuse ice
@wise valley my dm's are open
surreal heron
surreal heron
obtuse ice
😂
wary pier
are DH naturally tanky or are they using special trinkets?
clear pulsar
Both?
tiny oar
10% leech baseline + another 10 during meta if they spec into it + tank trinkets
wary pier
Gotcha thanks
clear pulsar
Dodging 100% every 6s
tiny oar
(Every DH on the ladder has at least sporepods)
clear pulsar
10% passive magic dmg reduction
clear pulsar
Also wait out blur
Also wait for them to meta or else they'll just immune your stun
Also wait out darkness cuz it's pointless to try to kill through
Also gotta chase their ass cuz 2 dashes and infinite resets on felblade
edgy oxide
Sounds like you just have to wait till the match is over tbh
clear pulsar
Sounds about right
odd juniper
@teal hemlock what comp u running? :D
clear pulsar
Dh is just plain unbeatable for a lot of comps in 2s
tiny oar
Mass root + entangling bark 
odd juniper
Nice one :D
lime light
They had blade dance in legion, but IT was 12 sec cd and dog dmg
Now its part of their rotation
+deffenwive
odd juniper
Im sitting on 2.1 for cap only, not playing pvp this season for rating anymore
warped crown
Which resto essences are the best for rbgs ?
sharp wasp
My partner and I are about to try 2s for the first time. He's a BM. Should I go boomie or bear?
tardy hare
I think its better to try something else than 2s if those are ur options
tropic schooner
yes
tardy hare
🙃
sharp wasp
Looks like i need resto lessons
lime light
Tbh the Guardian idea might work
I would say resto>Guardian>nothing>feral>shit>boomer
sharp wasp
If i try resto do i go offensive build or def?
For essences flame major, conflict? Iris? Mind u my conflict is only r1
west oasis
A tank that has alot utility and its main comp can outdampen most comps
Guardian so far just gets fucked by MLD and probably some other caster comps
sharp wasp
@shut otteri was hoping tank would be manageable because resto is unfamiliar to me. Crazy?
forest kite
How to make ur comp better? Add lock or rogur
I think problem with BM guardian is that games start at dampening so you can't protect the hunter for long and any other class will outdo the hunter. Rdruid has a lot of carry potential for weak partner on the other hand
sharp wasp
This damn essence is becoming more trouble then it's worth
vestal rain
Best healer with TSG?
upbeat drift
Hey guys. I'm playing feral/disc at 1900. We are constantly struggling against dk/druid and dh/druid. Does anyone have any tips against these comps
I just feel like we are getting facerolled
stray sigil
bleed both run at druid if u cant hit druid shit on dk
you can kill both in a stun pretty easily i think
stray sigil
if u hit both druid ooms faster
dh dru is a different animal though lol
that shit is not winnable
glass badger
You can kill dru in stun ,just press berserk ,get a trinket and wait till stun dr then tell priest press dark and hope for bite crits
stray sigil
oh yeah zerk is the druid killer for sure
rigid linden
Lol
Lol
Feels berserk man
Daily reminder too that if ur a bear? I wish upon you no hair.
west oasis
@vestal rain TSG is usually good with hpala/rdruid
but if you're facing alot of rdruid comps for the day/week, then rsham becomes more favorable cuz of purge
@upbeat drift dh/rdruid and druid/dk are just hard matchups for feral
especially dh/druid because, well, mana burn lol
druid/dk is a nightmare for disc/feral since dks just run dpriest down
if you have an rdruid or hpala partner, it's alot better for feral
rdruid = uncatchable, root, thorns, more cc
hpala = cds, ranged stun
clear pulsar
Rdruid is just a big counter to both boomie and feral I feel
Cant be rootbeamed, and thorns just fucks over feral more than any other melee
And bear form
Rip bites]
west oasis
sounds about right for this expac
should've played wod feral
looked like a lot of fun, and comps like ebola actually ate rmds
@tardy hare
obtuse ice
aSPECT of the cheetah
patent dove
Wod feral was the most fun times
But lets be honest
It was worse than dh is now
If u simply prune mana burn away dh is insta mediocre
Wod feral was plain op
grave pecan
not really, i think MoP feral was way more op
instant clone, incarn did more dmg than in wod
Heart of the wild made you unkillable for 30 seconds
had like 4 different defensive cds
tardy hare
@west oasis ebola didn't eat RMD
my DK ate RMD
I just afk'd in stealth untill we won
west oasis
LOOOL
cold rock
so 4 3v3s do the resto traits differ or are they still the same
west oasis
uh i think the only things that's different now is that you're not inclined to stack 3 gt
you still want atleast 1
but having other traits like rampant, lively, and waking are good
stat proc like incite are good to have as well
cold rock
what about essences? still conflict major invo minor and mana minor?
and ah okay
or would vitality replace mana minoir
west oasis
i'm not sure about vitality personally but i heard it's good/okay
conflict major with invo and mana minor is good
could do lucid/eonar/ert/conflict minor
west oasis
can be yes, but you would have to find drinks to cover the big mana loss you receive since your mana regen stops during the effect
most cases, effective kiting and staggering defensive cds can prevent the high burst. ERT is not needed when you're doing those things
west oasis
yupp 
teal hemlock
I had a horrendous game against SV/HPala today, if anyone could give a quick watch and let me know what i should be working on as i made sooo many mistakes and we got destroyed :D
west oasis
i think you did good for the first half of the game, playing back, using LoS and staying 40 yds back for hunter to think about harpooning you
you even got a nice shapeshift off the root
but i think at around the 3:00 minute mark ish or w/e
your lock took the gate and you followed
i think you should've pincered them by going around the other side
and set up a double stun that way with rake/bash
ye ^
you even got sac and turtle at the same time
all that was left was trinket
teal hemlock
yeah i think the start of the game was good but our positioning was kinda shit, i tried not to go too offensive in that game as usually if hunter goes on me i get completely destroyed
but we didnt have much pressure
i also wasnt sure if it was worth to dispel constantly against that matchup
if its worth the mana
but the dots and poisons or whatever were doing a lot of damage
yeah im watching it back now and theres a lot of time i spending basically doing nothing because im so uncomfortable against the comp, i should have gone for drinks or maybe pushed some damage but I think there drinks would be more useful and im less likely to get swapped and killed
the hunter was very good at placing flares etc when i was going for drinks
not an easy game i guess
but a lot to work on
west oasis
ah ye, if he's sending pet on you
it's ok to root/hibernate it
and look for a drink in the back room
wary pier
what were the top arena healers in Legion and wod?
teal hemlock
yeah thats definitely a better idea i think with up going top/bottom because we ended up LoSing each other near the end and it ultimately killed us i think
We also had this game against disc/assa, and they used mind control a lot on the kill target which ive never really seen before
and they ultimately won when i didnt have trinket for a blind, but without vendetta stil
wide nova
So what are some good comps for guardian 2s?
wary pier
I have been playing with unholy dk and we do pretty well ein more than we lose
wide nova
wow nice
west oasis
@wary pier legion was a mixed bag throughout
the first half was rdruid
then later on mw/rsham were very strong
wary pier
Better bears may suggest soemthing else I really only got into arenas this season and am still learning I only play gardian since wrath so thats what I go in as
west oasis
then last 2 patches of legion saw great balance across healers
wary pier
Thanks @west oasis
west oasis
wod no idea, but i remember rdruid was great throughout the expac
pala was very strong for a time but i think it got nerfs where it just brought them down to being "good"
wary pier
@wide nova tettles streams his bear arenas good place to talk to someone very knowledgable too
wide nova
ya I see hes running keys will check out his vids though
wary pier
good luck and have fun @wide nova
rigid linden
@wary pier wod i saw aloy of holy pallies, then rdruid and disc
Even then mw and rsham was still really good
But holy pallies were definitely the best
Because of wings execution sentance just topped someone in q global
wide nova
@wary pier thanks and thanks for the info
clear pulsar
Gross destro player