pvp

[random patrol]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minicc

[safe heart]

Hell yeah I need 2500 bucks

[analog herald]

thank you

[grand mesa]

<@&114146878353833984>

[clear pulsar]

Puzzle rly hates when people thank me

[brave grail]

we have an updated pvp build link available?

for balance druid

[grand mesa]

nerf boomkin

[halcyon siren]

feral or ret? my feral pre-prepatch had more hp than basically every mail and leather wearer because lycara's stam talent

and more hp than some plate wearers

this is facts, people think it's addons but it never is, it's brain gap. I plateau at the EXACT same ratings agnostic of my UI setup because even when I was playing on a better pc with a whole suite of addons or even this last 2 months when i went full no addons it didn't change my brain at all or the way i think about the game. 1800 folk seem to think that they're suddenly going to be making better choices or people who had more visibility via addons are going to be making worse choices and to some degree they miht but it's so miniscule

in the grand scheme of things

even hearing u coaching enji and his lock lowkey about the 45second go with cross CC and making the most of that on cooldown is something I wouldn't have thought about for a very long time if I was playing spriest or warlock because brain gap and who knows how well i could execute it ingame etc

[grand mesa]

@late wraith we demolished all the fools

[halcyon siren]

or 1800 people think people are magically going to do less damage without addons, that's a big one, they think their weak damage is a result of not having rotational reminders

and again, it never is

[late wraith]

Boomy ww kind of best to have ever done it holy

[halcyon siren]

(maybe there is some outlier specs that are actually fully dependent on weakaura tracking to do functional damage prior to prepatch but if there was i wasn't playing it)

[grand mesa]

mayo's gotta leave his retired ex-special forces hermit cabin from the mountains and assume his senpai role and teach fuji how it's done

[late wraith]

it’s just taking me a bit of time to adjust to where to look I got more comfortable with seeing precog and shit

But it’s coming together

[halcyon siren]

pog

[late wraith]

When you always look in the same place for information and it’s not there anymore takes a second to adjust

[grand mesa]

don't tell fuji but ive been largely playing on vibes this entire time

[stray sigil]

pig i know

im not getting dipsells

[late wraith]

HAHAHAHA

[grand mesa]

i've loaded up on so many airhorns moans and glowing icons it's all noise and i don't pay attention

[stray sigil]

or tremors

u fucking pig

i trinketed like 3 fears

[random patrol]

working on a standalone precog based off of the wa

though frankly someone will eventually add it to trackable buffs

[grand mesa]

a few u got feared out of range

cba

[late wraith]

I am just trinketing first cc now doesn’t matter what it is

[grand mesa]

beavs gets CC'd right next to me

and gets dispelled promptly

like that hoj

[late wraith]

I did get insta dispels

[stray sigil]

beavs doing half my dmg

[late wraith]

Cause you’re already looking at me for heals

[stray sigil]

MUST DISPELL BEAVS

[late wraith]

[grand mesa]

tbh im getting so stun locked by my nameplates

that

yeah

[stray sigil]

i need to disable

[stray sigil]

minicc working on my own cc

can u do that

[grand mesa]

my entire fucking mental bandwidth is wondering why

[late wraith]

I keep forgetting that you gotta press eclipse button not send 2 starfires like that is actually annoying as shit with everything else

[grand mesa]

the fort icon is so big

[stray sigil]

like when i get ccd

[grand mesa]

and why the fort icon is there in the first place

[stray sigil]

i dont wanna see that lol

[grand mesa]

im getting mad

[stray sigil]

i see it already its kinda wieird

[grand mesa]

ok confirmed

we see wings

and we see combust

the 2 most visually loud CDs

[late wraith]

Also bubble if you’re playing default I saw it every time

Not ams or netherward though

[grand mesa]

well default and nameplate adds should al be the same regardless

[stray sigil]

i did not see it

[late wraith]

They’re green so easy enough to spot

[grand mesa]

since we're restricted to their info

[stray sigil]

infact i dont even think im seeing fort

or anything

[late wraith]

It might be ur settings

You have to turn that shit on

[grand mesa]

im used to the bop glowing

🙁

and its next to a fort icon I DONT NEED TO SEE

[late wraith]

Seeing fort is so funny like why do I need that

Blizzard? Hello?

this actually sucks they’ll see my boosted motw and take it off

[stray sigil]

5% more hp means hes unkillable

dispell it

[grand mesa]

see this is fine

[stray sigil]

why do u care about flame too

[grand mesa]

well idk if i care about eternal flame that much

[stray sigil]

[halcyon siren]

lmao

pondering

[grand mesa]

fuji

null shroud from

verdant embrace

doesn't show i think

i kept hexing into immune

yeah bubble doesn't show either

[stray sigil]

[late wraith]

I’m not seeing buffs like fort on default

I think it can only show 2 things

And for you it’s got prio on buffs?

[grand mesa]

idk

[astral rune]

the ret was close to that hp, I was at max 170 pvp IL

[late wraith]

Where are the class change notes I don’t see them in my wowhead channel

[grand mesa]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-1-class-tuning-development-notes-on-midnight-beta-hybrid-off-healing-380045?utm_source=discord-webhook

[late wraith]

ty bb

Can always rely on puzzle it’s crazy

Always right always dispels me

Holy boomy buffs let’s fuckin GOOOOOO

[stray sigil]

@halcyon siren

there goes ur dotc hopes

[late wraith]

They made boomy ww even stronger what theeeeee

@velvet quest

It might be time unfortch

Breaking glass in case of ww buffs

[livid wasp]

what is devourer anyway

dps?

[late wraith]

Yes

Like a melee range caster I think is the intent

[livid wasp]

shouldve just deleted the class

[late wraith]

they’re kinda hybrid melee casters

[stray sigil]

i can do coaching

[stray sigil]

dont cast rly

lol

[vestal citrus]

rly

why u say that

[stray sigil]

[vestal citrus]

fuji going to carry me to glad now or

[stray sigil]

ww got omega buffed

and like our dmg already rly solid

[late wraith]

Ww and boomy both got buffed

[stray sigil]

just kinda nuclear prob now

[late wraith]

And we just played it in skirms and it felt perfectly fine

boomy is tanky

And does decent sustained plus still bursty in incarn

[vestal citrus]

ye

not having to cast stafires to get into eclipse is nice too

[late wraith]

Yeah I’m still getting used to that but it’ll feel so much more fluid

[vestal citrus]

much easier to get some amped dmg off when you can just eclispe whenever you want

fuck around building asp then press your eclipse for dmg

rather than forcing eclipse to build asp

[late wraith]

With the double eclipse talent you also can just kinda always be in it

[vestal citrus]

and losing out on things like boat

[stray sigil]

beavs kept cloning my rwk

[late wraith]

Yep

[vestal citrus]

think the uptime is like

70% ish

which is pre good

i wanna test it out but it might be a lil starweaver angle

starfall dmg is pretty good and the free procs and worse asp gen you have makes it pretty nice

especially if you rng

mastery change too makes it so much easier to get pad dmg out without relying on dots to always be on everything

[late wraith]

not needing dots up for incarn is insane

Like obv still want them

But if they’re dispelled you don’t need to choose dots over incarn surges

[livid wasp]

I dont like how similar all they look

and wish I could disable bloodseeker vines from showing

[late wraith]

i honestly think the hardest part is just retraining my brain. i see dots dispelled i put them back on auto like it's so autopilot now i need to just work to change that

[halcyon siren]

this is spec tree, not hero tree. nerfs wc just as bad, maybe even necessitating dotc more

hybrid off healing increased

pogggg

[stray sigil]

theres no way now u pick a whole hero tree around an ability that got nerfed though

[late wraith]

fuji they buffed vivify. i'm cooked.

[stray sigil]

[late wraith]

that was my win condition lol

[stray sigil]

i dont even know what i did that one time u beat me

other times felt unlosable

but i somehow lost

i dont even know

[halcyon siren]

the rest of the tree is good too, you're acting like the rest of the tree is shit when it's not

[late wraith]

i just pillared more the time you lost i dunno they all felt like hell haha

[halcyon siren]

you know what is shit on beta rn? bleeds lmao

[halcyon siren]

holy fuck is rejuv real now?

[stray sigil]

dmg wise its def not as real as wildstalker

and like this game nowadays is 99% dmg

[halcyon siren]

i am just wondering if rejuv is worth the 1 talent pt in the class tree

i will have to test it out

[stray sigil]

its always been better defensively than ws right and never picked anyways

[stray sigil]

hm does it heal for pre buff

[halcyon siren]

i haven't checked i haven't cast rejuv on feral in literally years

like i get that wildstalker damage in tww was a better profile for pvp but in all of tww it wasn't even 'more damage' than dotc,

and right now dotc is the only real spec for parsing damage on live because ws is dogshit

[stray sigil]

in pvp sure

[halcyon siren]

bleeds are dogshit

[stray sigil]

ye but like ur trying to compare it seeing it on pve side

not rly how it works unfortunately

[halcyon siren]

and on beta bleeds are DOGSHIT

no i know, haste also slaps in pve because you have 100percent uptime but that doesn't translate that great w the way feral is played

[astral rune]

maybe it's time I try bal

[stray sigil]

is that in pve

cuz u gotta remember there are pvp mods

[halcyon siren]

i'm just still sort of convinced that bleeds are so low damage that dotc might be better because i think 'all your damage' is in your 30sec windows

they're dogshit everywhere

on beta man

they're TERRIBLE

like ridiculously bad

(hard to really tell because feral damage is so undertuned)

feral already received 20percent aura buff

and is still worse

than everything on beta

[stray sigil]

ye io mean feral is ww tier in pve

both of them are dogshit specs

[halcyon siren]

i'm just saying in my pvp testing feral damage is atrocious on beta

bleeds are atrocious on beta

[wintry jackal]

It looks horrible

[halcyon siren]

WS is atrocious on beta the only way i ever killed anybody in any duel or otherwise (was the only thing working at the time instanced stuff was broken) was with feral frenzy maim chomp

[wintry jackal]

I won’t be playing feral if it looks like that

[halcyon siren]

EVER

[wintry jackal]

The entire time

[late wraith]

get in here it's great

[halcyon siren]

and rn wildstalker with regrowth buffs i actually think is on par defensively with dotc because the tankiest setup is diligently using pred swift

esp with root dring after 2

[late wraith]

when have you ever seen a boomy whining in here about class shit

never.

cause there are like 2 of us in here

[wintry jackal]

Mage actually feels good

And they will never not make mage dam decent

[halcyon siren]

did u play in wod? 8)

[stray sigil]

[wintry jackal]

I played ww but I was raiding with my dad at 14

[late wraith]

never ever

[stray sigil]

do i need to leak ur fucking dms

PIG

[wintry jackal]

So I had no idea what I was doing

[late wraith]

i will again say i complain about other classes and my own issues i don't really whine about boomy

[wintry jackal]

None of the specs were viable?

[late wraith]

anymore

maybe i did before i don't remember

[grand mesa]

Maybe rsham is the op one

[halcyon siren]

they were all viable

because mage

[stray sigil]

[halcyon siren]

they just did zdps

[wintry jackal]

Oh well now they have no utility

[stray sigil]

hmm

mage wasnt bad in wod

[halcyon siren]

they didn't even have frost nova in wod

[stray sigil]

rmd was fucking broken

[halcyon siren]

because you had to take ice nova

ya mage just did zdps they ere still broken

it was their only zdps ever

still meta as fuck

mages are the golden child

[stray sigil]

ice nova def cranked i think

pretty sure

that was the 1 time it did anything

[halcyon siren]

ice nova comet storm was your onl damage

and on 30sec cd

literally rest was zdps

anyways keeping regrowth on yourself with forestwalk in spec tree and wildstalker regrowth buffs are actually probably just as tanky as dotc on beta

before later damp

if feral gets damage (on dotc or ws) i am actually pretty excited to play it seeing the 100percent rejuv buff because i love classes that own 1v1

and WS feral if rejuv is real will OWN 1v1 if the damage is 'okay'

[wintry jackal]

Axtins current build kills ppl in duels

If you look up his char

I just can’t track bleeds in this current UI

[halcyon siren]

idk how to look up beta cahracters

[late wraith]

it wouldn't be on beta

it'd be live though murlok and shit might not be updated yet

[halcyon siren]

oh ya idc about live, i'm sure live feral damage is whatever it is,

[wintry jackal]

Uh sorry for late response

I just armory looked up

And it’s updated

[halcyon siren]

ya

[wintry jackal]

But for prepatch

[halcyon siren]

surprised he isn't taking 30sec frenzy tbh

[wintry jackal]

He was

Last I checked

Both him and Snupy

[halcyon siren]

oh yeah he is

i just missed it

because wow armory is chalked

[wintry jackal]

It’s awful

Just like their new UI

But yeah unless I can customize how I see bleeds I can’t play feral

[halcyon siren]

ya this build is roughly what i expected

for prepatch

[late wraith]

you can in default

ike are you just trying to see ur own bleeds on nameplates?

[wintry jackal]

No

It’s too small on the nameplates

And the icons look to similar

[late wraith]

you can scale them though

oh too similar i dunno

[wintry jackal]

Scaling might help

How can I do that?

[late wraith]

in the nameplates tab in options there's a scale and some filtering

[wintry jackal]

Hmm let me see

I was trying to stick with betterblizzplates but maybe I shouldn’t

[late wraith]

i turned all addons off for now

[wintry jackal]

Also ppl figured out how to put on bigdebuffs on the plates?

Like via base plates?

[late wraith]

minicc i think it's called yeah

oh yes

there are filters

hang on

[grand mesa]

No

U can the cc thing

For right side

And enemy buffs on left side

Base blizzard function

Addons can’t do more to expand on that

[late wraith]

ye

[grand mesa]

A lot of stuff isn’t properly whitelisted so you don’t see paladin bubble

[late wraith]

i do though this is weird

[grand mesa]

But you see power word fortitude on everyone

maybe it’s because I’m a purge class

That’s the only thing I can think of

The fort is actionable

[late wraith]

oooooh

that's right

cause you can only see 2 at a time

so that's taking a slot

and it's not got a prio system that makes any sense

bless

in here @wintry jackal

you even see the example of what it'll look like at the top

[grand mesa]

Ok so a non purger has to tell me if ret bubbled thank you

[late wraith]

they just made comms so important with this shit looool

[grand mesa]

and if u tell me use your eyes

Fuck yoh I can’t see bubble I see 3 giant fucking fort icons

[wintry jackal]

Hahahaha

[grand mesa]

[wintry jackal]

Guys this is so cooked

Why

[late wraith]

honestly playing with it a bit i think we'll adjust

it just extremely sucks at first

when you're used to things being a certain way

[wintry jackal]

Yes

[grand mesa]

Yah I think we’ll all adjust and accept that their vision for game (and even in keys and pve land) is that they do not want us to operate with accessibly perfect info

Which is fine

[wintry jackal]

Good reminder

[safe heart]

Be watching for the warrior punch animation

[grand mesa]

I will send big damage globals into bubble a few times

Oh well

[safe heart]

So you know you can cast

[grand mesa]

[wintry jackal]

Hahaha

[grand mesa]

u can hear it man

[safe heart]

I don't

[grand mesa]

I will log on warrior and punch you

U will learn the sound

I actually don’t know what rebuke sounds like

[wintry jackal]

No more music while playing wow

[late wraith]

i learned that trinket has a little animation

like a little horde or alliance shield

and a little sound

[safe heart]

Hope you guys can just shrimply identify the rogue physically kicking you so you know you can cast

Also aren't like a ton if animations only shown to you and not other players

[grand mesa]

It’s got a distinct sound I guarantee you’ll get used to it

[safe heart]

Probably but its still annoying

And I have most of my game sounds muted

And I listen to music while I play

[grand mesa]

Also

I think they bugged burrow animation

I did not go underground

I was very confused

[late wraith]

yeah i gotta stop doing this now i think

my kpop demon hunters soundtrack 🙁

[safe heart]

Yeah it's un forch

No more screamys

[late wraith]

how can we possibly get pumped up for 3v3 pvp arenas without screamys

[safe heart]

No screamys and no hardstyle remix

[late wraith]

what the HEYLL blizzard

[halcyon siren]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunter-mira-fitcheck-fit-check-nepalm-era-gif-14344573367540501523

[late wraith]

love mira

[safe heart]

SUICIDAL THOUGHTS IN THE BACK OF THE CADILLAC

[halcyon siren]

Ya I actually loved that movie

I wish I could watch it again for the first time

[late wraith]

truuue

[wintry jackal]

The 2nd will come out soon

Zoe’s Fortnite skin is my wife’s favorite

[halcyon siren]

I want an 8 episode

Animation

Badly

[wintry jackal]

That would be sick

[hard sierra]

when we tryin to get some arena together?

im getting demo down pretty good... and destro is easy

full melee lobby and i top dmg as demo lmao

lower mmr bc never done demo but still

and being able to take gate 2 times before it starts a cd... thats pretty cool....

melee get pissed chasing me around

[safe heart]

Shock I'll send some with you TN

You wanna splay?

[hard sierra]

yea man we could easily play lmao get puzzle in to heal us

we could!

ill destro if you want so you can free cast

[safe heart]

I'll be on in like 3hrs

[hard sierra]

or ill play demo

[safe heart]

Up to you , practice the one you wanna main imo

If ur gunna carry me to glad you gotta be good

[hard sierra]

lmao

ive been doing shuffles as both

[vestal citrus]

[astral rune]

lock is looking pgood

[wintry jackal]

i must be a boomer

cus i have nameplate scales max n i still can't see the bleeds

this feels like classic feral idk

[safe heart]

In classic you don't even press bleeds

[wintry jackal]

just the pacing

with bites

it's kinda fun tho

getting used to it

i'll stream if anyone wants to watch

oh i cant apparently

[livid wasp]

it just feels more shit than tww feral

[random patrol]

I took the blowhorn death weakaura and made it a stanalone addon

[wintry jackal]

i think everything just feels slow

[random patrol]

just spams blowhorn when your dead

[livid wasp]

feels like they just made the game worse for everyone on purpose

for some reason

[random patrol]

sl blizzard returned

[late wraith]

voodoo make us a precog addon

make it do a kissy noise when you get it please

[tiny oar]

[grand mesa]

i have raid tn

but uhh

actually

ya

rsham feels good but im sure there are 2+ specs that feel gooder

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

raiding is good for the soul

[random patrol]

blowhorn precog def just for lake

lake loves the blowhorns

[hard sierra]

being chat banned is prob worste thing in world lol ive never been but its hard to play without typing and i have 4 more days

like people are unbelievably bad

[astral rune]

can you still ping?

[tiny oar]

blowhorn precog is the most unnecessary noise LOL

[random patrol]

its the best

could always use ai voice just for you as well

[tiny oar]

eww gross

[random patrol]

yep any celeb you like

[tiny oar]

I'm ngl I dont even want a precog weakaura I hear it fine just default

[random patrol]

Im going to make it a owl noise

prob a screeh owl

[grand mesa]

i need th elightning zap sound for precog

my beloved

[tiny oar]

hearing kicks and seeing little wind animation all i need

[safe heart]

I don't wanna hear kicks

[random patrol]

first Ill get it to working then I can get sounds going

[grand mesa]

I’m very curious if u can pull it off

[random patrol]

worst case I make a cursed thing just for lake

[hard sierra]

no lol... its rough out here

i wish we could just use bliz buff tracker for ourself... and CHOOSE WHATEVER buff we want to track

and track precog

lol

[halcyon siren]

lmao

[wintry jackal]

Ok after trying some solos of both mage and feral, ferals damage is tuned too low

Kit is fun tho

[halcyon siren]

yeah if it's anything like beta

it needs like 40percent more damage lol

on all spells

[timber tinsel]

Due for an update, but here's my old look. I want a bunch of aberrus pieces but they're a pain to farm rn

[halcyon siren]

looking good king

[timber tinsel]

Thx, gotta KISS since I'm usually a cat

[astral rune]

That’s tough lol

[tiny oar]

yo this is sick

nice one dune

[timber tinsel]

Thanks for the support - it’s the last thing the horde sees before they’re chomped

[halcyon siren]

Never get compliments on my mog by laker, what is the fucjing point.

[timber tinsel]

Always need a goal to work to. I need like 300 more confirmed kills to get my hidden artifact skins lol

[tiny oar]

hell yea

[tiny oar]

never seen ur mogs bud show me one..

[safe heart]

gunna try archon

[grand mesa]

@safe heart u on

[safe heart]

yeah just hopped on

[grand mesa]

Shock can be on we shadowplay?

[hard sierra]

Yup

[safe heart]

yeah im just doing a shuffle

[hard sierra]

im ready now

[random patrol]

only 10 lua errors wooooooooooooooo

[tiny oar]

[random patrol]

its a start

lookin at better blizzframes its so meme

so many options

f

[random patrol]

@tiny oar I guess I'm a roothaunter now

[grand mesa]

@tiny oar

im pretty sure i had to use my eyes to ground a hoj and see that it was hoj (i think)

i hated it.

gimme back my addons

@safe heart rdruid mana is fucking terrible huh

[safe heart]

i was hitting him with psyfiends and doing mini burst on him but i wasnt even hardly dispelling tbh

and you were at like 50% still

[grand mesa]

they lost to 2 DCs

[safe heart]

LMAO

thats true actually i fucking forgot

HOW DO THEY LOSE

[grand mesa]

HOW DO U LOOOSEEEE

i wish i had a wa for one thing

my healing waves randomly are like insta cast

and im having a hard time keeping track of it lol

u know whats funny about the whole getting DC'd by jumping thing rn

everyone has such lightweight UIs the load back in is so fucking fast lmao

[safe heart]

puzzle tellmewhen seems to work for me still

[grand mesa]

i dc'd the warrior cause i stunned him like mid jump

[safe heart]

it may be able to track the procs

[grand mesa]

yeah

it can

im gonna fuck with TMW

tomorrow

[safe heart]

yeah idk how its still working but honestly

[grand mesa]

the problem is

it's a blizzard issue for me

[safe heart]

what cha mena

[grand mesa]

so u know how HTT is a choice node with ascendance now

the buff i want to track is "in ascendance, when u riptide your next healing wave is instant cast"

but i'm taking HTT and not taking manual ascendance

and proccing ascendance with DRE

but since i didn't take the ascendance talent, the buff is greyed out on CDM

i cannot track it at all no matter what, not even in CDM

[safe heart]

i feel like the ppl who have been doing tbc arena have been training for this their whole life

[grand mesa]

did u get minicc?

it's quite good

[tiny oar]

yes man IDEAL GOOD STUFF

I tree'd a blind the other day cant do that anymore tho HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[grand mesa]

now u can get rep spammed

in normal tree

cause it works

[tiny oar]

[grand mesa]

i spent 1 hour of arena queues

[tiny oar]

Hopefully the hpals and rshams dont notice..

[grand mesa]

trying to figure out what was giuving me 5000 lua errors

per match

it was my little addon that changed texture of raid frames

[tiny oar]

I am just gonna use default everything if possible

need to set shit up still

[astral rune]

"fatality"

[tiny oar]

[safe heart]

yeah i did

[grand mesa]

i think the game slowed down

[tiny oar]

looking GOOD

looks like PREPATCH

[grand mesa]

yeah lmao

[crimson walrus]

are you still able to unlock elite tints?

[wintry jackal]

are dragonflight raids soloable now

[random patrol]

not until level 90

prob

vets like "give cat wetfood" course I have the one cat that hates wet food

good

[tiny oar]

I will get something to 1800 to test for u but my gut instinct says no

[crimson walrus]

probably just need to get some rating and see if you unlock some slots along the way - i got some but wouldn't mind doing another class.
I just got the healer portion of triple threat so was curious if that stayed active

[wintry jackal]

i dont think u are able to

[hard sierra]

doing shuffles now and devours are just 1 shotting

everytime they get their cd

[stray sigil]

[random patrol]

still working through 8 more lua errors weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

fun expac we have here

[astral rune]

"trust the process" - Ion

things will get better, just have to wait

[grand mesa]

"One of the big things we heard, both from players and add-on developers, was an unexpected breath of add-ons that no longer seemed to be able to function," he says. "I was surprised, and I learned a lot about exactly how many of our add-ons are written in the first few weeks of alpha."

@late wraith

[random patrol]

now just 4 lua errors

I blame lake

[stray sigil]

always do

its classical.

[late wraith]

who was this from one of the devs?

are they gonna change anything

[grand mesa]

ion

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcrafts-add-on-changes-arent-over-there-will-doubtless-be-some-loopholes-players-find/

[late wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/i-really-hate-that-man-annoyed-hate-him-upset-hurt-feelings-gif-16077050

[hard sierra]

i truly think MW is about to be bis....

they can move and heal and all that

[tiny oar]

yea so does hpal (they dont cast anything)

[random patrol]

tldr 3rd party overlay inc

[rich crag]

Hrm almost owned a ret in world pvp with a lot of new UI stuff and then couldnt damage some lock who didnt take any damage as feral. Lot to learn I guess lol

[random patrol]

feral is pretty bleh right now unfor

[random patrol]

it works when it wants to(which is about as buggy as f as it is)

[late wraith]

You’re a hero

[random patrol]

maybe when I get done rewriting it not happy with current version will start work on version 2 lake's bane tonight

before anyone asks yes there is tech an unofficial fork of wa that "works" for mid and not it's not really going to do anything that you would want it to do

[late wraith]

Even if it stays as is you’re a hero for trying to get this working at all

[random patrol]

if I can get the precog buff to work as a standalone Ill try to create a addon to alert when healer is in cc note someone already made a healer in range addon that works in mid so tech it should maybe(big maybe) be possible

[random patrol]

looks like threat plates might be getting updated for midnight good

[random patrol]

someone's trying here(dr addon): https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/midnightdrmetronome

[clear pulsar]

Tools that reskinned players' UI or made it easier to use controllers or mobile devices were dead. Popular non-combat mods like ElvUI and Bartender broke. Accessibility tools were suffering.
"That was nothing we ever intended to break," he says. "We realized pretty quickly that a ton of these add-ons were written in ways that relied on many of the functions that we had now restricted."
Do you think they realize how comically incompetent this makes them?

Imagine admitting you just didnt know even how the addons were made and the functionalities they relied on for some of the biggest addon fixtures in the history of the game

And you're working on the UI of the game

Crazy

[random patrol]

reminds me of covs being locked in sl but worst blizz loves to die on hills even if they eventually reverse addon changes the damage is done

[halcyon siren]

To be fair isn't that the point of the beta, to find this out? Pretty unsurprising to me that a company previously extremely hands off with addons and their long leashes largely didn't concern themselves with how developers were using the api

[clear pulsar]

Beta is free QA?

I suppose

Yes

That still makes them out to be incredibly incompetent

[halcyon siren]

Yeah I guess ultimately you start incompetent in any area that isn't really your purview

[clear pulsar]

I do think the people in charge of developing UI solutions that will replace addons should have some knowledge of what certain very popular addons use as data from the game

[halcyon siren]

Ya I think this whole process needed more time

[clear pulsar]

They should also largely be using similar requests in their own implementations of those UI solutions

[clear pulsar]

I would hope the people working on the UI of the game weren't "starting incompetent" because the area of developing UI features isn't their purview

[halcyon siren]

This should have been a like, project of its own completely agnostic of midnight

[clear pulsar]

When they take up a task like this

[halcyon siren]

I think 'the code of other third party developers' isn't necessarily in the purview of the ui developers prior to this experiment

And I think that's evident.

And I think that's fine when you're as hands off as blizzard was.

[random patrol]

well yeah I was always in support of addon reduction when shit was ready it's very clear they weren't close to ready they should of added stuff first before disabling addons and over the course of the next 3 expacs instead of rushing it out for mid

[halcyon siren]

'Was' being the operative word

[clear pulsar]

Developing their own solutions and features also wasnt

And both of those things absolutely should have been

[halcyon siren]

Yeah. I mean it just needed to be a probably 1year long development cycle for just this.

[clear pulsar]

Studying what people do with the UI of your game should absolutely be part of your job as you work on the UI of the game

But the cd manager and damage meter still leave so much to be desired

Just from a UX pov, not even thinking of breadth of information they give

[random patrol]

to late now unless they ripcord later in expac they now have to work on fixing their f ups by release along with everything else they need to do but now their going to have to play catchup rest of expac

[halcyon siren]

Sure, studying what the player wants is one thing. All told I actually thought the addons as they were were just like, what you'd want as a developer. Free market labourers enhancing your product free of chargeb

Seems like a good thing.

And that's probably why they let em loose for so long

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

They're still doing that

[halcyon siren]

Like ultimately I understand why a business would choose to outsource that part to people doing it for literally free and opting not to waste man hours previously studying their code beyond when it becomes abusive/cheating

Yeah and it's 5x worse for the players (:

[clear pulsar]

Everybody in the pool of players using UI addons are still gonna use even more

[halcyon siren]

I literally hate this company for this outcome more than ever.

[clear pulsar]

Yeah lmao

[halcyon siren]

If they really killed addons I would have loved them.

But they didn't.

They just killed my classes

For nothing.

[clear pulsar]

I am def taking a break

Maybe come back s2 if things look more reasonable

[halcyon siren]

And now I don't even want to play the game because rebuilding my ui to incorporate all the new shit I still need

Just makes me boot up tft

Or putz around in my house

[random patrol]

I miss the sound qs that help cause my vision sucks

[halcyon siren]

If they killed addons I would have happily played gutted ass feral, resto pve and try out enh a little deeper than I had before

But you need more than ever and they're worse

[random patrol]

addons are only the small prob I have with mid but Im not going to go on that rant right now

[halcyon siren]

Now I will be playing dark pact skeketons on poe patch 3.27

[clear pulsar]

Come play nightreign

[halcyon siren]

I'm poor.

Also suspect my pc wouldn't do well

[halcyon siren]

Class stuff? Or other stuff

[random patrol]

class stuff part of it after playing beta for prob 200 hours it just feels bleh

mind you class stuff is partially tied to addons still

[halcyon siren]

Yeah that's my biggest thing but I'd grin and bear it if addons were dead or left alone

[random patrol]

that epic bg was awful btw and I normally am one of the few that doesnt mind epic bgs

[halcyon siren]

This is worst possible outcome imaginable

Curious why you're doomed on classes though, I felt balance druid was....basically the same

[random patrol]

I give a 50/50 chance of partial ripcord by end of this expac until then Im making cursed stuff

[halcyon siren]

Is there some balance druid main nuance I just don't have?

[random patrol]

shits boring eclipse should just disapear

some classes are super bland now

[halcyon siren]

Many are bland

I just thought balance was one of the few that felt effectively unchanged

[random patrol]

boomy actually one of the less bland

slow pace of pvp is boring to me to

[halcyon siren]

That's what I mean

[random patrol]

I dont want 1 shot but its like shit needs to die

some stuff can still one shot randomly of course I dont count prepatch memes

[halcyon siren]

I'm waiting to see

[random patrol]

dev dh can one shot on prepatch kind of funny

[halcyon siren]

I want damage to be higher but I like how much they're moved danage out of cds

I love feral but I don't love being zdps outside of cds

So I'm hoping rotational danage goes up across the board on betan

[viscid remnant]

R u playing phericia event

Its in 1 week

[halcyon siren]

Phrecia kinda too short for me man

I want to

But what build

[viscid remnant]

Me play

Static strike scion

[halcyon siren]

I usually slow burn and cook a 100s of div build eventually

But I don't have the farm brain to crank more than like 8div/hr on avg

So a 1month event is kinda ehhh

Also haven't looked at phrecia ascendancies in a while

[viscid remnant]

Theyre getting tweaks allegedly

But they have some unique stuff

My build is way better because of phercia

Because of towah's felling in scion

Static strike creates clones

So you do 3x dmg as usual

[halcyon siren]

R u sure

I thought scion became scav

[viscid remnant]

Well unless they change it thats my plan atm

Well yes

Im saying them interchangeably

[halcyon siren]

Oh right tahwhaos felling is a unique now

[viscid remnant]

Forgor its called scav

[viscid remnant]

Unique shitty mace

[halcyon siren]

Yeah

[viscid remnant]

But with scav

You get effect

[halcyon siren]

Yeau

[viscid remnant]

And use big mace

Big dam mace

[halcyon siren]

Idk I might look at phrecia trees

And see

I quit in pob last league out of rage tbg

Tbh

Don't think I hit max

So it does sort of interest me

[viscid remnant]

Idk its fresh

[halcyon siren]

Couldn't figure out how to cook my build outside of a 5mod weapon + squire to do any real danage and I didn't want to do bug work until I could recombinate a 5mod weapon

Lmao

[halcyon siren]

Ya that's what I mean, could be a good time to try out keepers for real

[viscid remnant]

Keepers sucks

But i am excited for phrecia

[halcyon siren]

I hope it goes core

Foulborn uniques are good for the game

[viscid remnant]

Idk i hate the stupid walls

And the shitty npc defending

The uniques are nice

But defending the npc is boring gameplay

[halcyon siren]

I saw a build on pob that played baron perma skeles at mirror tier and I might make that on phrecia

With the grave puppateer that gives u the baron on the tree

So u can use a real helm lol

[viscid remnant]

Idont enjoy minions

[halcyon siren]

I sorta do

I havrnt played that many though

Chains of command twice

Summon srs once which I didn't like

But I left the buikd at 25m dps so maybe if I pushed it further I'd like if

[viscid remnant]

https://youtu.be/sBdoarOvT10?si=Ay69r-nKJPNsIMa6

This is the build iam looking at

Also

https://tenor.com/view/jungroan-poe-poe2-gif-7372604848077980028

[halcyon siren]

Lol

Made it 5min in

To this vid

He's truly unwatchable

They're all unwatchable to be fair I guess

[viscid remnant]

Haha i mean

Just skip towards end

To see how it looks

[livid wasp]

maybe they will whitelist more abilities

it's really inconsistent

not showing survival instincts but showing lock wall

[grand mesa]

That’s the hope because yeah it’s horribly inconsistent

[grand mesa]

Today I fiddle with tellmewhen

And see if I can get any use out of it

[ancient prawn]

question is balance dookie in pvp now or are other classes just disgusting

i know its prepatch and all but just curious how things are currently

[hard sierra]

Man I use to use TMW lol…. Does it still work now? I could use like 1 or 2 things and I’m good

[hard sierra]

All classes are disgusting lol, with devour / UHDK above

[safe heart]

yeah mine still works fine

Go bar still intact 😎

[hard sierra]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm welp guess I’ll have 1 addon then lmao just want precog tracked and good

[safe heart]

i did notice that it didnt show me precog anymore but i think i need to update my spellid

[grand mesa]

Idk if any addon can pull auras

That isn’t explicitly in your CDM bucket of buffs

But not 100% on that

[safe heart]

the CDM thing is cool except that you cant move it

i almost just used that

[grand mesa]

I’m saying that the buffs you see in your CDM may be the only ones u can see or use with addons. Which obv precog isn’t there

[safe heart]

i will try it after this meeting

[grand mesa]

I’m gonna use it to track some healing related buffs closer to my raid frames

It’s hard to tell when my healing wave is gonna be instant cast

I’m perpetually pleasantly surprised

[clear pulsar]

With the way arcui seems to customize everything anyways

I'n pretty confident there will be dynamic combat trigger type of trackers

In the next couple months

It just needs to be tailored for each spec and the things in its CDM

[rich crag]

I use one called nephui so far so good. Lots of things included in it

[grand mesa]

I’m trying to avoid

Arc

The white list of spells is essentially anything inside the CDM bucket right

That’s impression I get

[livid wasp]

what if you fiddled with the game files to whitelist stuff

[grand mesa]

Hope is I can just show buffs and procs freely on screen really easily without it being the entire CDM addon solution

[livid wasp]

in some weird way idk

[hard sierra]

What do you mean can’t move it?

[safe heart]

i could not move it

[clear pulsar]

Enji is special ed student

[hard sierra]

Yea I kinda learned that

Lmao

[grand mesa]

[safe heart]

it doesnt highlight in edit mode and i couldnt click it

[tardy hare]

Did you try to click the CDM checkbox?

[grand mesa]

Did u enable it

It’s in gameplay options or gameplay enhancements whatever in blizz option menu

[tardy hare]

I could move seperate windows of CDM, so that should work

[late wraith]

Balance felt extremely good to me

We have much more on demand damage, we’re tanky as hell. In bgs I’m doing the most even with a full st build. In skirms I feel kind of unkillable like I dunno feels good to me

I am a forever boomy main though and tend to be fairly optimistic about it because it’s always a perfectly viable spec

[halcyon siren]

Balance gameplay didn't really change did it? On beta its very similar

To tww

[late wraith]

You press a button to go into eclipse that’s sort of it

Instead of double starfire or double wrath

[halcyon siren]

How do you like heart of the wild

[late wraith]

I love it

[halcyon siren]

That's the biggest balance nerf to my layman's eyes

Do you bear or resto it

[late wraith]

If I’m low and need it I do the heal and it’s basically a full health bar

If I’m medium-high I will bear but bear feels kinda meh to me

Doing double dps skirms the heal is it but obv that won’t be the criteria in actual season

Pressing it in bear at like 10% is troll

but also I will avoid going into bear as long as possible anyways so I like it

If you pre-bear and press that vs a rogue I think you save bark. I dunno I gotta try it later

[halcyon siren]

Eh, I wish it had multiple keybinds tbh, like uh

Just 1 keybind for each version

[late wraith]

It just changes based on the form you’re in

[halcyon siren]

To seamlessly go to them

Yeah

[late wraith]

So if you press in bear it’s bear version if you press in any other form it’s heal

[halcyon siren]

Yeah I know, bear version just feels worse to use because its 2 presses

Wish it was 1

I'm lazy

[late wraith]

I only used to ever press it in bear anyways so it’s the same. But I have to sort of rewire my brain not to do that

I put it where renewal used to be

[halcyon siren]

Ya I guess as feral I pressed it differently prior since used for clone haste

Wbuch I don't think balance got

[late wraith]

oh yeah that sounds like a much bigger nerf for feral

No

We only pressed that for double frenzied

[halcyon siren]

I wonder if empowered starfall is real in pvp

The bear tanks are owl weaving empowered starfall in pve lol

[late wraith]

Oh the like does the damage 100% faster one? I don’t take any starfall talents and have barely looked down the right side of the tree

[halcyon siren]

Nah for non balance going moonkin hotw does an empowered starfall

I wonder if it's real lol

[late wraith]

Oh got it got it

I gotta set my bear up but I figure setup for pve will happen when the season starts and will be a nothing task

I feel like for me anyways a lot more changed in pvp so I need time

[halcyon siren]

Yeah thats why I bit the bullet 2mo ago

For nothing apparently mind u because addons are as back as ever

But wcyd

And also name plates are worse on default than they were before

Like in some crazy way

[late wraith]

I’m still playing without them cause nothing does what I feel I’m missing but we’ll see

It has been so long since I’ve seen default nameplates lol they seem okay just missing stuff I need

[halcyon siren]

Like before overlapped base nameplates were actually 'fine' and now they don't like, they are more clumped somehow

And makes for worse visibility than they were before

And the fucking names text on them

But ya I am gunna wait and see what changes before I rebuild a ui

[late wraith]

I’m sure they’ll give more fine control, as well as white listing like puzzle was saying cause yeah they don’t feel ready

[halcyon siren]

I will admit I kind of grew fond of stock ui this last lil bit so when I do rebuild I am thinking more minimalist

Might be what I do

[grand mesa]

I have a confession

Actually nvm

[wanton ridge]

you can't say you have a confession and then not confess anything

[proper walrus]

The nameplates after the patch are also different from before. They did make some baseline changes somewhere. They are certainly harder to click when even remotely overlapped with another now.

[late wraith]

Lol wat

[tiny oar]

SPEAK

[grand mesa]

Whatsup

[late wraith]

puzzle's vagueposting on main again

he's about to hit us with the picture of a hospital bracelet and a "wow i guess 2026 is not my year after all"

[hard sierra]

He must speak or be silenced!!!!!

[vestal citrus]

his confessino was he hates lake

and thats fair enough

[tropic schooner]

I have one of those

very stylish I tell you

[livid wasp]

why are they restarting servers

[random patrol]

cause you kicked sand out of the litter box

[livid wasp]

its annoying when theres sand on the floor of my bathroom and I forget to clean it before taking a shower

[safe heart]

im hungry as fuck today

[grand mesa]

Whatcha gonna eat

[tropic schooner]

[grand mesa]

Whatsup

[tropic schooner]

eating glorp

[grand mesa]

That sounds yuckie

[safe heart]

ive been eating mini muffins and cliff bars so far

i skipped lunch today when i normally wouldnt

[late wraith]

i want mini costco chocolate chip muffins

those are so good fuck

[stray sigil]

wrong

only double choco

[late wraith]

Superstore has banana chocolate chip I might go get some

[livid wasp]

muffins in NA probably have 400 kcal each

[grand mesa]

Hrmm

[stray sigil]

yes

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-i-guess-bro-bro-i-guess-ok-man-gif-6278747235421617446

[grand mesa]

did they add precog

to the buffs

[hard sierra]

My wife made banana bread! Just home and grabbed it up lol

[livid wasp]

precog was already yesterday no?

or im tripping

[hard sierra]

Huh?

[wintry jackal]

so

df raids are p much soloable

rn even on mythic

cus of stat squish

minus mechanic specific fight like brood in vault

[livid wasp]

even fire owl?

[wintry jackal]

i havent tried

but i think so

you take no damage and stuff falls over

<@&114146878353833984>

[surreal heron]

👍

[wintry jackal]

u r a ninja

[vestal citrus]

@grand mesa u seen this drama

btween danders frames and uhh

idk nephui or something

how it's just stolen code with variable names changed

[random patrol]

two mediocre vibe addons

bleh

[grand mesa]

Yeah

And then danders made neph incompatible with danders

[grand mesa]

i am somehow raiding again

[hard sierra]

yuck

i wanted to arena

[stray sigil]

[astral rune]

have you tried feral?

[safe heart]

I joined a guild so I could raid but honestly think I'm gunna back out lol

[random patrol]

Picard > Kirk

[halcyon siren]

Legacy loot in effect yet?

[hard sierra]

no i hate feral

i just boom / disc / enh / ele / lock

[random patrol]

I need to log on and see if precog was added to cd manager otherwise I need to rebuild the mod again

[hard sierra]

what mod

[random patrol]

my own personal precog tracker

[late wraith]

it looks like instead of adding precog

they removed rattle the stars?

hell yeah blizzard i really don't want to know when i have that buff. might be too much of a competitive advantage.

[vestal citrus]

pogg

[late wraith]

i meant starlord and i lied it's there

i got angry at air

[tiny oar]

love getting angry at the air

[late wraith]

i'm so primed to be mad at blizzard rn it's crazy

just running in swinging wildly

[tiny oar]

they make it really easy tbf

[hard sierra]

i want this

[safe heart]

how many more talent points are awe gunna get

[tiny oar]

who knows dude

I log on first day of expac without a single clue and thats how i like it

[safe heart]

honestly

ill prob do the same thing

skip every dialogue, skip every cutscene

read nothing

get stuck on orphan quest for 45 minutes

[tiny oar]

u get me

[safe heart]

based off this beta build wizk was using yesterday

he only has 2 more talent points per tree, + 2 apex talents

so i guess 2 class, 6 spec

[stray sigil]

U DONT WANNA SEE GRANNY ANGERY

[vestal citrus]

BEAVS ANGRY

[late wraith]

i'll be on one of those karens of tiktok accounts screaming at blizzard devs

[safe heart]

should i play prepatch or do dnd prep

or play last epoch

[random patrol]

52 lua errors in arena wooooooooooooooooooooh

still won though

[stray sigil]

[astral rune]

“Fatality”

[safe heart]

i know how to decide

im gunna try to transmog and if it crashes my pc, im gunna play something else tn

[stray sigil]

[safe heart]

i survived but i think im still gunna do something else

[stray sigil]

[tiny oar]

so based

[random patrol]

lake secretly doing prepatch shuffles a aug

[tiny oar]

nah im just reading an 800 page book and figuring out ui stuff still

maybe some aug or ww later

[stray sigil]

STOP SAYING THAT

[tiny oar]

stop saying what..

[stray sigil]

UR NOT GONNA PLAY WW U PIG STOP SAYING THAT

[tiny oar]

myth gave me a build bro im ready to pump

[stray sigil]

thats my build

pig fuck

i gave him build

PIG

[tiny oar]

myth gave me your build bro im ready to pump

[stray sigil]

ur not PUMPING

SHIT

[tiny oar]

can u be encouraging and believe in me please?

I dont respond well to negative reinforcement..

[stray sigil]

U PIG

[grand mesa]

lakez i believe in you

i think youre a gamer and really can play whatrever u want and succeed

[stray sigil]

[tiny oar]

thank u puzzle I appreciate it!!!

[safe heart]

ww sp is good comp this szn

[stray sigil]

[safe heart]

fuji you wanna push glat with me

against all odds type beat

[stray sigil]

push gyat

[random patrol]

precog addon is wearing me out

still going

currently plays a sound bout it

time to go back to the drawing board

[grand mesa]

😂

[random patrol]

people like "just look for the shiny glow" I can barely see the shiny glow on the character under optimal conditions with my 1 eye