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spice ruin
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Vers>haste

livid wasp
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what happened to el patron

lime light
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who

safe heart
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If I played rdruid in pve in shadowlands, is rdruid basically the same shit still

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Efflo lifebloom extend cenward ?

glacial echo
livid wasp
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rip hunters

grand mesa
random patrol
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pvp chickens when the spec is slightly nerfed Despair

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lol spec had it coming

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boomy is fine we just can't 100-0 with dreamburst now

tropic schooner
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while I do think those patents are iffy to begin with either way this is only about some fairly specific situation how specific ive seen debates and im not lawyer enough to know how specific it is but it seemed to only be about a certain fighting situation, and doesnt even include many of the other pokemon games

livid wasp
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gaming related shit shouldnt be able to be patented

tropic schooner
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that seems extreme

manic solstice
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Witch off set piece i need as feral ?

livid wasp
safe heart
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I think I skipped chest

livid wasp
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we can get 4-set now?

safe heart
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My feral has it from pve

clear pulsar
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It's early xmas

random patrol
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nitendo is a tiny ass nobody compared to microsoft

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nothing will happen

livid wasp
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does feral even go 4-set

velvet quest
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idk, you could argue that having free damage makes your gear worse

safe heart
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I used my 4 set

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Idk if it helped or not

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Don't even rly know what it does

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More vines is good

halcyon siren
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you run gloves/chest/helm/shoulders and skip legs

maiden viper
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hmm

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am I bad (yes) or does rdruid feels absolutely awful rn

livid wasp
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but is it good enough to justify the stats

random patrol
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in ferals case def yes

vestal citrus
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think with dmg you just gotta be aggressive with cds and mana

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everyone is basically hard committing ancient first global for burst/opener and then you just have to make it to your second one in shuff

maiden viper
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random cc seems incredibly punishing dunno. had many games where people just drop through hots in a hoj, sheep, fear etc

random patrol
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knitting is fun that is all

clear pulsar
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TARGETED at you

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You gotta trade

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They gotta trade too

clear pulsar
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NEV EV

grand mesa
clear pulsar
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Lmao no way

random patrol
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testing some meme shit atm

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note some npcs mess up dam totals of course

proud tangle
safe heart
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dude heroic raiding is the hardest shit ive ever done in my life

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we cannot defeat boss number 1

stray sigil
safe heart
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we deafted boss number 1 but at what cost

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now i am

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floor pov

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on boss number 2

stray sigil
tame vigil
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Can anybody explain Survival's damage profile? Almost more than any other class, it feels like the damage comes out of nowhere. 2s (Rdru UDK)

safe heart
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i defeated boss number 2

vestal citrus
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ur nuts enji

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insane gamer

random patrol
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surge is fun goldrinn still sucks though

velvet quest
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i dont think its good either, but are we really linking a single 30 second details from double dps skirms to determine whether a talent is good?

random patrol
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nah just having fun

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spamming surges

clear pulsar
random patrol
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trying to get a threes group going while qing skirms

clear pulsar
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The bear also does a lot when it comes out, idk if that can be tracked very well tho

random patrol
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at least Im trying new stuff instead of whining in rudars disc like it's the end of the world

velvet quest
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whining is the new meta u gotta adapt and join them

random patrol
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it was hillarious like the mod lit just going back in fourth with the other guy for like 4 hours

velvet quest
random patrol
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@tiny oar you play resto just no

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go get trimmed

tiny oar
random patrol
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well still not as bad as chicken main

stray sigil
tiny oar
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yea thank god I'm not a boomkin main id cry if I had to read #balance on a regular basis

stray sigil
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AND LAKE FOTM REROLLS

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GG

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OF COURSE

tiny oar
stray sigil
tiny oar
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i been pres all expansion

stray sigil
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youve been in greens all expac too

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PIG

random patrol
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so your rerolling aug to play as my backup dragon

clear pulsar
stray sigil
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i never will

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if i see a pres in group

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i just leave or not apply

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that spec some ass

tiny oar
random patrol
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I just think kotg might as well hard spam surges sense dreamburst is bleh but who knows Ill test it later when I q 3s/shuffle

stray sigil
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i never lie

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i just omitt to telling the truth

tiny oar
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real fascinating

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anyways

random patrol
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lake is plotting the downfall of the world

tiny oar
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I would never

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I have a sacred mission to make this world a better place than how I found it

random patrol
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being evil is more fun

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like eucalyptus trees

stray sigil
random patrol
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watch the world burn

stray sigil
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that goes against the mission

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youve already failed

tiny oar
stray sigil
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i just said ur not a gearer

tiny oar
grand mesa
mild sigil
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is it possible that guardian of claw + vers haste build is a thing for feral in solo

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did anyone try this

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with 4 set

clear pulsar
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No

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But why would that make haste good in particular?

mild sigil
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faster procs on apex

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more bites rolling in

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and energy regen

stray sigil
clear pulsar
safe heart
clear pulsar
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Koh-ruhguh

safe heart
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Koh tuh guh

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Kah tuh guh

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Kot gee

clear pulsar
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And DOTC is dough-ruh-cuh

grand mesa
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Koh tog

clear pulsar
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Thats good too

tiny oar
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I just say the letters tbh

clear pulsar
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I'm saying DOTC like Dota but with cuh instead of a

grand mesa
random patrol
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@safe heart kotgee def

lime light
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wtf

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why that canadian dog is flaming

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pres gods

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@stray sigil explain

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also if u are in a key with press evoker u should heal yourself

tiny oar
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blooms are PRETTY SICK

clear pulsar
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It goes nasty in bg blitz with Early Spring @tiny oar

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You put LB on 6 people and every Regrowth has CC deadass

tiny oar
topaz drum
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😄

viscid remnant
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cool

livid wasp
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I hate league

tropic schooner
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how does it rank compared to poe?

livid wasp
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a bit higher but still horrible

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a bit higher but still horrible

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ruins forsen for a bit

livid wasp
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last time he played it for long enough to gain a viewerbase from lol-frogs

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I guess it's fun to watch since he never got past silver 1 or something

safe heart
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i am now trying to push 2.1 on my shadow priest

ebon onyx
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evening guys
where can i find a discord\comunity chat with rbg guilds rectruitment ?

tiny oar
ebon onyx
vestal verge
stray sigil
tiny oar
stray sigil
safe heart
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someone just called my mount badass

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he has no idea how much hatred , resentment, pain and self doubt this mount represents

viscid remnant
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holy tuff

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critful calling you unchained peaker inc

primal talon
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Anyone who did prestige grind in Legions knows the seething rage inside you.....

velvet quest
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what is a prestige grind for

stray sigil
velvet quest
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dont u get those at like honor level 50 or something

stray sigil
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some ppl started from 0

tropic schooner
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at the start it also gave you the pvp talents

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and if you wanted the weapon mogs you lost your pvp talents

dusty patio
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so from an earlier issue I think being unable to target myself during a specific window following /cancelform has to do with the game failing to register something, does anyone notice targeting issues in PvP when using like arena1 targeting macros playing against druids?

gloomy thicket
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So here's a fun one. I've got these boots as a feral druid. Think they're worth keeping over conq boots?

safe heart
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Probably not but it wouldn't be the reason you lost if you wore em

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Losing out on 13 ilvls tho

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Just for like 1% speed

gloomy thicket
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The bonus cloak proc was the part I was more considering

safe heart
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I'm pretty sure cloak is nerfed as fuck in pvp

gloomy thicket
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It's 1/3rd potency, but still about 3% of my average damage.

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Difference is probably what, ~700 main stat and about 5k stam? Maybe 100 total secondary stats.

safe heart
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This is just how it works in my mind but increasing 3% of your total damage is not worth losing damage on the other 97% of your damage

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But idk just use it

gloomy thicket
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Currently, I am. But at the point where it's the possible conq use so worth thinking about.

safe heart
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If it was me I'd take the conquest version and I wouldn't think twice

gloomy thicket
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Clearly I just need to get the mythic version lol.

safe heart
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NOW you're cooking

stray sigil
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heroic version prob not worth it in pvp

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mythic i would use

gloomy thicket
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For sure, mythic version it's just vers heavier with the same stats and a bonus proc. So there's no question on that in my mind.

safe heart
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That was easy
Next question

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Dude today was a total bust on sp

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I basically just ended up where I started
So lame

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I'm gunna upgrade some of my greens I thinm

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I did get free weapon which was good

random patrol
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mythic would prob be fine heroic though nah

random patrol
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just finished up warcrate farming for the season across 8 toons that was 533 crates rounded down

clear pulsar
tiny oar
vestal citrus
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i did them on like 8 chars a day and got the forms so quick

stray sigil
stray sigil
clear pulsar
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I went 4-2

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Carried the warrior one round

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Bless up

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You cant int me

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I'm unintable

random patrol
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them dps need to try harder to split the healers more

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never good for a dps when a healer is winning

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solo a cursed game mode indeed

stray sigil
lime light
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HAHA

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is ret viable yet

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barelly

clear pulsar
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I never led el patron astray in my life

viscid remnant
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hello

lime light
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hello

tardy hare
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hello

tropic schooner
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Helli

weak tundra
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A boomy friend trying to use root beam maco with the framesort healer stuff, we use this macro but seems not work, anyone can help?
#showtooltip
#FrameSort EnemyHealer
/cast [@none] SPELLNAME1; SPELLNAME2

tardy hare
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Seperate the casts

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2x /cast

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/Cast mass entanglement
/Cast solar beam

This

weak tundra
tardy hare
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Maybe switch them around or press multiple times

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Had same issue at one point

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Never bothered to fix

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So i just casted seperately

tropic schooner
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so depends if your gcd is ready or not just press button a few times

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(order wont matter)

tardy hare
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Probably thats why ye

weak tundra
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Find the problem, I need to write Enemyhealer two times cause I casting 2 spell. This confirm works, I ask the author he gave me this and I just test it in shuffles

#showtooltip
#FrameSort EnemyHealer EnemyHealer
/cast [@none] Solar Beam
/cast [@none] Mass Entanglement

wintry jackal
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Your macro says @none

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When you have a frame sort macro like that whenever someone gives it to you or it’s saved it says @none until you are in PvP content

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You should type ‘EnemyHealer’ after the @

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But test it in skirms

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Also do you have frame sort? Cus if you don’t this macro won’t work

tropic schooner
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my guess is that the second line replaces the nones with what ever is in those slots

wintry jackal
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It does but the original macro when it’s saved has to have the above in it

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And then when it’s saved it shows as @none

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Ive had the exact problem before

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Someone shared a framesort macro that works on their end cus they originally saved it with the correct format but it’s a dynamic macro

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Only shows correctly in PvP instanced content

lime light
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lmao is that actually a thing

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]"enemyhealr"

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now?

tropic schooner
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with that addon apparently

wintry jackal
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Only with frame sort

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It’s pretty nifty so even if the enemy healer is arena 2, if you want them to be arena 1 it will always make the change to make it that for you

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And the macros follow suit

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Mine is set up so that my bind for healer poly / clone is always the same

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I never have to think about their number and usually if it’s a melee caster comp melee is always arena 3

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Etc

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Works for your team too

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If I wanna decurse my healer it’s always the same bind

proud tangle
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It’s the most optimal ecosystem for macros

safe heart
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What is the most optimal ecosystem for water buffalos

proud tangle
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Habitats of unchained peakers

viscid remnant
primal talon
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we have those in finland......

viscid remnant
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@livid wasp

lime light
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oh i see the Zecheys idol is playing League now

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i hope u having fun mister

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gotta enjoy POE next time

tropic schooner
lime light
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lmao

livid wasp
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he always has these phases

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when he plays some shitty games

tropic schooner
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forsen should go back to HS

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thats zecheys dream

livid wasp
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god we recently had a HS phase too

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boring

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what really was fun was when he played pokemon heartgold nuzlocke

viscid remnant
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i was about to ask

clear pulsar
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Good zechey take

safe heart
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Nuzlocke content is awesome

tropic schooner
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the recent streamer tourney thing

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was fun content

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didnt really watch any of it live but watched a lot of the yt recaps

viscid remnant
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unc is back

livid wasp
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he has those csgo faceit phases too

clear pulsar
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Oh shit

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Ok I watch

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Brother why is this shit on kick

tropic schooner
clear pulsar
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Yeah

viscid remnant
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ye its chopped

clear pulsar
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I'm gonna watch russian stream I think

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On youtube

viscid remnant
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xaxaxa

tropic schooner
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why the fuck is there no english stream on twitch

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lol

viscid remnant
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kick deal ig

tropic schooner
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fucking scumbags

clear pulsar
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Bro falcons beat vp 26-3 combined wtf

tropic schooner
viscid remnant
clear pulsar
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Oh no these vp players are shit

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Icy is sometimes good but idk if he cant cut it against tier 1 or if VP cut his balls

viscid remnant
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flit and fame are legit riflers

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but ye team jsut doesnt work

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they benched and insane player for no reason

clear pulsar
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Fl1t was only good cuz of jame

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Free jame

clear pulsar
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Hooxi is the star player gg

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Think about it

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Hooxi is bizarro zywoo

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Xi hoo

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I dunno

viscid remnant
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low key you cooked with that one unc

wintry jackal
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funny shit bro

random patrol
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I just right click report as advertisement

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solves most problems

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ad their name to personal blacklist addon profit

tight hatch
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Question, can the craftable PVP gear be upgraded to more reasonable levels? It shows 606 ilvl in PVP which seems really low by patch standards

wintry jackal
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using wrong upgrade

random patrol
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vegemite is good americans just suck at using it

gloomy thicket
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Does anyone know how the wind walker crackling jade lightning build works? I dont know how to expect it.

hushed plaza
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is thorns (cat) ever a good pick in solo shuffle? i find it hard to get value out of it, even against melee heavy comps

wintry jackal
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against phys dps it's nice

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like 2 warr

vestal citrus
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i got like 20 mil i aint got time for shit crate farm

velvet quest
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Yeah it’s definitely a good deal if you can spend 10k gold to save hours of your time in a really good crate farm vs a bad one. But if there’s nothing separating this group from a rando one then this person is collecting 250k just for making a regular group which is a little scummy

stray sigil
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get 20 stacks

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get a 1s cast ir w.e out of it

random patrol
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rdycrates addon has been paywalled

vestal citrus
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dude wtf is happening in csgo

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I checked my inv randomly

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and every case is selling for like $5 - $10

viscid remnant
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U could be rich if u have specific items

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Chinese ppl been pumping the market

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Last few weeks

vestal citrus
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yer

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inv went from idk probably $2 to over a hundy lol

safe heart
# safe heart
poll_question_text

Should he use the BOOTS

victor_answer_votes

4

total_votes

6

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

No

random patrol
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good

safe heart
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Glad we solved that

livid wasp
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nice my ak is 750 dollars on steam market

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knife 625

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I wonder if anyone actually pays these prices

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or if its just investors trading to each other

tropic schooner
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Just some basic stuff which barely taste of anything

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Quite salty

vestal citrus
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is banger

livid wasp
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I googled vegemite, sounds and looks weird

tropic schooner
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I just had a buttered Vegemite bun

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An Australian friend made it for me at a bar

random patrol
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marmite to

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6.1 mill surge boomy still op

livid wasp
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wasnt planning to play anyway

tawny topaz
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hi, is there a guide for balance druid in 3v3?

clear pulsar
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Ok bro

random patrol
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good

topaz drum
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why does everyone pt the embellishments elemental focusing lens on rings? can you not put it ona neck for the same affect? i put it on ring and neck is that bad?

safe heart
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probably becasse 99% of ppl craft 2 rings first

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so they just put it on their rings

random patrol
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double ring is fine though somtimes I like having one glad ring for vers in that case ring and necklace

random patrol
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3s skirm

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prob cause the one was undergeared Idk

velvet quest
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Does being undergeared add a big % dmg taken debuff?

random patrol
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@velvet quest it was prob the one on the pally when I popped a surge off of 4 piece with less then a second on incarn

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Idk I have scrolling dam disabled

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was watching the vod of the game and the ret went from around 6 mill to dead off of the surge

velvet quest
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Yeah that’s why 4 set is good for kotg boomkin garf

random patrol
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yep "buy my stats"

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just regem

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if you care so much

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that toon is cooked on gear though cause i messed up on 4 piece but still good

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I prefer 4x wpvp for tier normally

random patrol
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turns out the undergeared dragon was our healer so chicken just op

viscid remnant
random patrol
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should of been aug guardian disc Lake's favorite comp

willow heron
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do u guys run any haste/mastery pieces as balance?

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crafted, instead of vers secondary

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I see some rdruids running haste mastery pieces, wondering if its worth as boomy

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I still have 28% vers w/ these legs and 4 pc\

random patrol
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I have like 33/34 depending on race with 4 piece Im all haste vers not counting a certain foot piece I might go for later this season

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you can prob go lower though if you want to for extra mastery though

willow heron
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can get up to 32% if i change my cloak gem too

random patrol
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which ever feels better for you personally

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can test both

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now I wonder if I should weak aura track the dryad buff or just keep playing like normal I do tech have an incarn tracker on my screen

lime light
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just play good

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no one cares if u have 33 or 28% versa

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pce

loud swallow
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For PVP always go vers for the damage reduction

clear pulsar
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I reduce damage by not getting hit

viscid remnant
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holytuff

tropic schooner
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especially the incap

viscid remnant
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big true

clear pulsar
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Any pvpers?

clear pulsar
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That sounds like a weeb thing

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I was thinking more like Naruto

stray sigil
frank oyster
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for Feral PVP WS bg build ... I have a wiggle talent with the Moonfire in Cat form or applying Rake to 2 targets .. I tend to not use Moonfire as much as I should and was wondering if swapping it for the 2 application Rake would be more ideal for a bg environment... thoughts please

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Im new to Feral and druid in general is there some hidden reason everyone uses Moonfire instead from what I'm seeing on top pvping builds?

gloomy thicket
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ranged builder and don't have to use energy on shred to get bloodtalons.

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It's also just another DoT which scales with sabertooth and a few other toys.

safe heart
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@grand mesa i swear ligase is like the all time zero to hero wow player

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shes streaming a 19 floodgate right now

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pushes like 3800 io now, shes insane

grand mesa
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multi glad

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too now i think

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or shuffle iforget

tight hatch
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Question, in Solo RBG queue, is there a way to request NOT to be part of the opposing faction? I keep getting swapped and the opposite faction BLOWS

random patrol
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no

safe heart
grand mesa
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ya

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gamer

safe heart
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never been lapped so hard in my life

tiny oar
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thats gonna be me this season

viscid remnant
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The corn dog cat?

tiny oar
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no lol multiglad

random patrol
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aug guardian disc

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do it

tight hatch
stray sigil
random patrol
proud tangle
viscid remnant
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Unchained peaker

velvet quest
velvet quest
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just insane lore to drop in a conversation that ur not a part of about someone who doesnt know ur name like what is the goal there lol

viscid remnant
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that was crazy from mayo ngl

random patrol
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@tiny oar that's a big orc

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irony is I was a dk main before a druid that was a long arse time ago prob mop

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was a rogue main before that

tawny apex
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how come when i queue for BGs im always instance leader?

clear pulsar
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Maybe fastest to load in

vestal citrus
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game recognize game

tawny apex
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another question

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why does alliance never win Temple of Kotmogu

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Wrong theories only thinkat3

random patrol
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my current pc is super fast so I tend to get lead more times then I want

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I just pass it to a rando

clear pulsar
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Alliance always wins

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When I q

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(Im horde)

tardy hare
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Alliance always wins when I queue

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(i get 1500 points by myself)

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(rest of the players are ncps)

vestal citrus
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you gotta direct your team (abuse them)

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get chat banned

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then never q another bg

livid wasp
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I mean alliance is the pvp faction

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they should be winning more

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horde has enlistment bonus for a reason

neon chasm
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thats illegal

viscid remnant
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🥀

white fern
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I’m pretty new to boomy but was looking for some advice. Played yesterday to about 2100 but was mostly lobbied with at least 1-2 casters. Then 4 lobbies in a row with 3 melee and all had a DH. Just got stomped back down to 1950 going 2-4 or 1-5. What the heck can I do against triple melee. Just brutal.

safe heart
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Usually what I do as sp in those situations is crash out in chat

white fern
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It’s like every lobby is poor me and a ret, DH, and warrior.

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I just have to Que at like 5am est. that’s when the non Americans play and they actually play other thing than zug zug melee

wintry jackal
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I’ve determined solo shuffle is a plague on this game

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I forgot that I actually like playing the game when I play 2s or 3s and not solo shuffle

stray sigil
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(2s)

wintry jackal
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2s is so fun act

livid wasp
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I thought you were puzzle

wintry jackal
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new pfp

livid wasp
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2s isnt fun

wintry jackal
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😮

livid wasp
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too many rdruids ruining it

tardy hare
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Mw monks

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Rdruids are nonexistent

safe heart
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Are the mw monks in 2s fistweaving or just normal build

grand mesa
tardy hare
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Not sure now

safe heart
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I need to help my boy get 1800 , was gunna do fury mw 2s

random patrol
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add glad 2 2s profit

stray sigil
stray sigil
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just vibe and play

velvet quest
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Idk it can feel unfun if ur comp sucks

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Like hpriest boomkin

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Or if ur melee fighting bm rdruid

stray sigil
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well bm ruins every bracket

velvet quest
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yeah but i feel like in 2s comps feel like hard counters more so than in other brackets

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and its like im on a 5 minute timer to try to win the game even if they do nothing but my class cant do anything against them so its gonna be miserable the whole time

grand mesa
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Lose on 3rd call of the wild. Or 4th lol

velvet quest
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or fighting demo rsham on robodrome as a melee and u get 1 gcd of dmg off during ur cds and ur like yeah this is going great

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@late wraith was trying to learn some destro last season in 2s and fought warrior like 8 games in a row

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also never forget our 2s comp of sub rogue+obr sub rogue where we fought rets and hpals every game

stray sigil
#

with the fenryr bullshit

velvet quest
#

yeah but bleed dispel could finally help pres find a spot in the meta

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and bubble/bop could make rets viable again as well

stray sigil
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isnt fenryr a proc

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so like

grand mesa
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Idek wtf ur talking about with fenryr

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God pvp sucks

velvet quest
#

take that back arrrr

grand mesa
velvet quest
#

i played some ww last night in 3s

late wraith
#

why am i tagged into this hell hole

velvet quest
#

it went so good i decided im not going to try it again until next expansion

late wraith
#

is it to see the dude being weird about women

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cause i already saw mayo body that guy

velvet quest
#

no its to talk about 2s counters

late wraith
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oh anything that beats us is a counter ez

velvet quest
#

thats not true sometimes we win despite it being a counter cause we are just that good

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what are your thoughts on fighting warr+rsham in 2s as destro

late wraith
#

i think shamans should be deleted from the game

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like in general

velvet quest
#

and if someone were to suggest that u should just fear more what would u say to them

late wraith
#

a normal and balanced review of shamans from me

viscid remnant
late wraith
#

i mean anytime anyone tells me i should do something more i ignore them and seethe so i dunno

viscid remnant
#

you shouldve melded the incap

late wraith
#

lol holy

late wraith
#

you specifically know what you did.

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and the trickledown impact on me

grand mesa
#

I’m innocent

viscid remnant
#

WE all agree

stray sigil
livid wasp
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2s is only used if someone needs conq cap

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as double dps

wintry jackal
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I like to warm up in 2s

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It’s also just a fun mode. Solo shuffle is not

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Arenas without communication is hell

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Straight up hell

livid wasp
#

its more stressful than 3s

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in 3s you have 33% of the pressure in 2s you got 50%

random patrol
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tank heals 2s is hillarious to watch just drag the game out against the other team forever

livid wasp
#

that sounds like so much fun definitely something I pay monthly for to face in this game

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just like prot palas in skirms

random patrol
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prot pres

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lake's new twos comp

livid wasp
clear pulsar
#

Shuffle is 17x better than 2s

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Yall tripping

random patrol
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5s is the best

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caue meme comps

safe heart
#

3s > shuffle > 2s > skirms > random bgs > blitz bg > epic bg > wpvp

wintry jackal
#

Shuffle 🤮

grand mesa
wintry jackal
#

Wait 25 min in q to get wrecked by a ret

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Or have your team mates be on a completely different page

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Make mistakes think about how to improve on them 30 min go by before you can apply anything

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Shuffle is fine as an every once in awhile thing

livid wasp
#

I see two puzzles

wintry jackal
#

Outside of that its just a meme bracket for the meta specs of the season

random patrol
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use for shuffle is caue getting 2 people to play with consistenly is a pain(for me at least)

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otherwise I would q 3s over it anyday

wintry jackal
#

trying rudars whisper macro addonnow

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it works

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wow

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collecting spriest btags

livid wasp
#

I wanna play with a spriest too but I only know hunters

random patrol
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well you are the hunter's third pet

livid wasp
#

kinda

stray sigil
#

only ppl who dont like 2s are the ones who are shit at it

tiny oar
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2s is just the new form of dueling outside orgrimmar

random patrol
#

so you will play prot pres then

late wraith
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3s>2s>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blitz>>>>>shuffle

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i think you have to have the world's strongest mental to be good at shuffle and i simply do not

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i have the world's weakest

velvet quest
#

blitz can be good cause u might randomly queue at 4am at 1300 and see someone named taylorswift and assume its face so u keep mcing them under the bridge like the stupid little troll that they are

random patrol
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@late wraith or turn off brain what I do

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ironicly climb rating better the less I think

tiny oar
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no think just act

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huge cr gains

late wraith
#

like genuinely not good for my mental health to do shuffle i don't think lol. i'm built diff (worse)

random patrol
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silent shuffle helps

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lets me go full koala in shuffle

velvet quest
#

i dont think its about thinking less its more just doing the pattern recognition part fast enough that you decide what to do without having to think and ur playing faster?

random patrol
#

prob yeah

late wraith
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i think it's about crying and being real mad and beating yourself up

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that's what i think it's about

tropic schooner
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or ppl complaining

late wraith
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i do the opposite of what you're supposed to do in shuffle and assume everything is my fault and i failed everyone

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i think i'd be fine if i could just blame the healer and move on go next

tropic schooner
#

but just making mistakes obviously wouldnt mean youd fail ppl

late wraith
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and people have generally been pretty nice to me in there. i had one rough lobby where people were mean but overall not terrible

tropic schooner
#

however its ofc hard to get out of that habit

late wraith
#

so it's not even that

tropic schooner
late wraith
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it's just the real rough self hate when i lose which just feels like not a good thing for me to keep doing if i get so upset ya know?

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i don't feel i'm missing out on anything i have a 3s team

tropic schooner
#

ofc shitty ppl are there too but its not particularly terrible compared to other online gaming situations, including random 3s

tropic schooner
#

if you dont enjoy it/feel bad after

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dont play

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especially if you have more fun in premade

tiny oar
late wraith
#

i also don't necessarily feel there's much for me to learn in there anymore that translates to 3s that i can't learn by doing 2s/3s/duels with friends to try to figure shit out

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cause i used to feel guilty that i could be improving for 3s in there

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but i don't necessarily feel that way anymore

tropic schooner
#

I absolutely think you can learn for 3s in shuffle, and that its substantially better compared to duels or bgs

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however premade 2s/3s ofc likely even better

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even if that wouldnt be your "main" team

late wraith
#

yeah i mean i just have multiple boomies and do a whole lot of 3s and 2s.

tropic schooner
#

but also not everything needs to be done to improve as much as possible, having fun is also very very important to improving in skill

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if you are miserable you wont improve, if you cant honestly look at the gameplay cause you are tilted for w/e reason - either teammates or self blame also helps a lot less

late wraith
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and i agree i could learn in there, i just don't feel i NEED to do it to learn anymore if that makes sense.

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like i used to feel i was holding my team back by not doing it

random patrol
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do what I do and make a blood dk just to troll lobbies

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note also like frost

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modern unholy sucks cause fucking wounds

random patrol
#

just rem spore was real (tully monster fossil)

random patrol
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looks like mes is on blood dk and it's actually viable

clear pulsar
#

I went 2-4 in a bdk shuffle lobby the other day

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Unbearable

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They do a lot of damage tbh

viscid remnant
#

Tuff

wintry jackal
#

Shuffle garf

rugged heath
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had one lobby where everyone just full targetted the DK and he went 0-6 tho x0r6ztGiggle

hexed grove
#

So can someone explain this to me. Because I’m not understanding. Surge shuffle on check pvp is 72-54 and is setting at 2670 rating. I’m 83-66 setting at 1681. How is the rating difference that much?

clear pulsar
#

You arent playing in the same lobbies

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3-3 against 2400 people is very different than 3-3 vs 1500

rugged heath
#

just mmr

tropic schooner
lime light
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if u 6:0 the 1200 mmr lobby

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u are like 2500 mmr

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gamer

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2500 0:6 mmr gamer*

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something like that

hexed grove
#

Ok, makes more sense. I’m still trying to comprehend the mmr.

clear pulsar
#

It's just a rating, youre matched with others based on your mmr, same as any rated game, usually games follow some system like ELO in chess, etc

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It's like enten said

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There is some mmr bleed over from previous seasons on that character/spec too, so you dont start at the same starting point as the very best players every season ofc

tropic schooner
hexed grove
# tropic schooner which part doesnt make sense?

Well like you said, going 0-1 vs bad team is different than 0-1 against good. I get that. But every game I’ve had in shuffle so far with boomie has been either 3, 4, 5 win matches. Not like I’ve had a bunch where I finish 1 or 2 wins. Like I know I’m not going anywhere close to r1 rank or anything like that. I usually get elite set and try for 2k. I started doing PvP s1 of the war within for the first time. Now it’s all I pretty much do. So lots of learning to do still. But i understand what you guys are saying. But how many games do you have to play and win till you get to the better mmr? Like I feel as if it’s a grind to get to 1800 . And I’ve done better this season than last. But 1800 came quick last season and my record was way worse

safe heart
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you need to steadily continue to win 4 or above

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but if you go 3 or less its gunna lower your mmr

tropic schooner
#

that doesnt matter

clear pulsar
# hexed grove Well like you said, going 0-1 vs bad team is different than 0-1 against good. I ...

Each round should be worth around 12 rating/mmr I think, maybe 10, if you're playing vs evenly matched people.
MMR gets inflated by blizzard behind the veil over the season and then it all gets deflated back on new season start + some amount of decay further than the inflation reset too.
So if you played last season at the tail end, starting mmr may have been around 1800-1900 and at new season you started from 1550-1600, for instancce.

finite prawn
#

There any world where Elune works in Balance? BGB only?

hexed grove
finite prawn
#

Also how do you guys manage stance dancing; I can't seem to make a macro set that can get me into the right stance all the time..

tropic schooner
viscid remnant
#

🤯

clear pulsar
#

I'm sure there are people that play EC in arena, but boomie wins games by doing war crimes damage on incarn and KOTG adds a big % modifier to that

finite prawn
tropic schooner
#

so with stances

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you mean forms?

finite prawn
#

Yeah sorry, warrior brain on that

tropic schooner
#

but yes if you want to go in other forms you also need to hotkey them

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prolly biggest one is bear even tho you dont wanna use it that much you will have to

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cat less important but ofc should also be bound

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(as chicken which you seem to be)

finite prawn
#

i am chicken

clear pulsar
#

Yeah I think this 'stance dancing' perspective and trying to make one button flip between multiple is not helping you

finite prawn
#

like dash and prowl auto-cat, so I am ok with that, I guess I need to macro out things like frenzied and then have it go back to boomie after? It's my one turnoff with druid is so much extra work hoping between forms fluidly

clear pulsar
#

Bind each form, press the bind to go into it, trying to do it like warrior that only has 2 isn't even gonna save you keybinds

finite prawn
#

maybe its finally time to get an MMO mouse; I am full of buttons already (this is where trying to macro-merge forms into spells started)

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like "ok dude is on me, he trinketed rootbeam, faerie on CD, I am going bear, frenzied, Barkskin, stunned him ok base form to heal, now boomkin form to dps a bit, shit ok travel form and vault, root, back to boomkin, re-dot, base form and heal, back to boomkin" ahhh

#

was hoping you guys would say "oh yeah here is how we handle it, you just do this and this" but it seems to really be "no dude, you just keep pressing forms like mid-2000s keyboard cat"

clear pulsar
#

Base form and heal is crazy

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Are you pressing rejuv or what

tropic schooner
#

that too

clear pulsar
#

Dont do that

#

Boomie really doesnt do all that and you can also take the talent Fluid Form so you can go into Boomie form via Wrath/Starfire instead

finite prawn
#

yeah I would hit Renewal, Regrowth, but if I had a sec (los for example) I would rejuv and WG as well

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guess I just skip last two

tropic schooner
#

can cast RG in chicken and renewal in any form

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it would be incredibly rare that you leave forms completly

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prolly only somewhat reasonable situation is if you wanna use human wild charge

finite prawn
#

gotcha - think I was just focusing too much on casting every hot

velvet quest
#

Also in your hypothetical situation you would be casting clone instead of heal like every single time

wintry jackal
#

I will say the patience for noobs here isn’t that great

velvet quest
#

I disagree with that

wintry jackal
#

Nah there’s a lot of condescension

clear pulsar
#

I'm a widdle angel dont you dare talk shit

wintry jackal
#

Not you face

#

Mainly enten

velvet quest
#

He got like 10 responses to a simple question I feel like that’s a lot of patience idk

finite prawn
#

Eh it's all good, I've been playing wow 20 years, you just learn to grab the advice and ignore the rest - most discs people will help you once they recognize you're just new to the class/spec and not PVP in general

wintry jackal
#

Yeah but the snark and elitism in response is a theme here

clear pulsar
#

Name and shame letsfuckinggo

wintry jackal
#

Like the dad who has no idea what mmr is

clear pulsar
#

@velvet quest is the most condescending of all

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He cons you into playing with him meanwhile your rating is descending

velvet quest
#

Yes the ultimate scheme

wintry jackal
#

Idk it’s just like if someone isn’t understanding or not on your level of knowledge it’s not like you’re better than them and being snarky doesn’t help them at all

finite prawn
#

This isn't bad tbh, there are subs that just relentlessly shit on you for simple questions

wintry jackal
#

Fair enough

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Idk it’s a different vibe in some of the other class discords

clear pulsar
#

It's just a cultural thing too

wintry jackal
#

Like mage

clear pulsar
#

Enten is german

finite prawn
#

Evoker disc is kindest place possible - no bad questions, i've never seen someone shit on someone, everyone jsut out to help

wintry jackal
#

I live in the midwestern portion of the US i can’t fathom not being patient / kind in my responses but that’s a fair point too

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Idk dude I just feel like everyone starts where they start and it’s a better discord & gaming environment to be constructive

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But yeah if you don’t have an mmo mouse def get one

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Also idk if you talent fluid form as boomie

#

But you can bind those abilities outside of your forms

clear pulsar
#

I do, big meld raker

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BIG meld raker

grand mesa
#

Don’t believe face I ask face questions and he calls me an idiot on the regular

#

Absolutely toxic human

finite prawn
#

I keep telling myself "dude you push on outlaw, you push on ele, you're used to 100 buttons" but druid just.. i keep feeling like there's gotta be an easier way but I guess that's the nuance

clear pulsar
#

Yeah I dont feel that any druid spec has particularly the most buttons

tropic schooner
clear pulsar
#

Like Arms for sure has 3 or 4 more 'rotational' spells like 20s or shorter

#

But you cant quite map 1 to 1 so it prob feels weird

#

I wouldnt want to put bear form on my Cleave keybind or vice versa

tropic schooner
#

I do think I have patience with new players, I dont have patience with people blaming others/dont look for mistakes in their own play

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or people defending their bad ideas as alternative play

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thats where I lose patience

wintry jackal
#

Makes since tbh this is all via written text too maybe I am picking up on snark that isn’t there

clear pulsar
wintry jackal
#

I mainly noticed it when we were questioning why the dad was confused about mmr

clear pulsar
#

And tbf I do have sort of a stance dancing macro for bear/cat form

tropic schooner
clear pulsar
#

But it just works out to being almost the same as just binding one to C and the other to shift C

clear pulsar
wintry jackal
#

Nah he just didn’t understand the difference between mmr and CR

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He clearly didn’t PvP regularly other than for xmog

#

Prior

tropic schooner
#

I thought that was the recent one

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because that was not cr vs mmr

#

that was winrate in different mmrs

clear pulsar
#

And after a bit of elaborating, I think the confusion was very fair if he was playing at >1800mmr trivially last season and now he has a very positive win rate after many lobbies and still hasnt hit that same rating

#

The over time inflation isn't obvious or intuitive if you never paid attention before

tropic schooner
#

while I may have lost a bit of patience here, dont think was particularly angery, there have been a lot worse times when people actually fully misunderstood matchmaking in pvp games

#

ye rereading maybe the last one was a bit snarky but even that one I dont think was overly coulda elaborated better but face did that

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beause idd the inflation is a bit counter intuitive

velvet quest
#

The part that confused me was I didn’t think Vatican City had a football team, did you mean soccer?

tropic schooner
#

Vatican city also doesnt have a soccer team

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which makes losing to them 1-0 even worse

clear pulsar
#

Gridiron football team is in the works

tropic schooner
#

so they might have an american football team

#

just playing on the peters square or what ever its called in engilsh

#

st peters square

#

I was close

finite prawn
#

now its just figuring out nuanced things like when should I bear-frenzied vs heart-bear-frenzied etc

late wraith
#

folten is better than all the rest of you

#

ww pvp disc is super nice, we should be nice like them not clowns like i dunno... trueshot or warrior or priest or whatever

viscid remnant
#

Maybe but also maybe not

late wraith
#

def better than you

#

clown ass

late wraith
#

girl where tf do you find this shit

#

why does the stick float behind him then disappear

surreal heron
#

it's ai

viscid remnant
#

Its real

grand mesa
#

Idk where David finds his shit

viscid remnant
grand mesa
late wraith
#

it just like.. they don't even pretend to try

surreal heron
#

:)

#

gotta watermark your slop

viscid remnant
#

No its 100% real

late wraith
#

churning out slop at the slop factory mmm yes another day of doing next to nothing

viscid remnant
#

I saw this happening in real life

grand mesa
late wraith
#

they are nice in spite of you

stray sigil
#

they also have all 0 iq

viscid remnant
#

"Wow" "pvp" in the big "25"

#

Super tuff

stray sigil
late wraith
stray sigil
#

wrong its even worse over thjere

tropic schooner
#

anyway where the fuck does david find this stupid shit

topaz drum
#

i have 723 set legs, is that the same pvp set legs? do they scale the same in pvp if its the same ilvl

safe heart
#

yea

safe heart
#

you get all elite transmogs for 2100 now yea?

#

even the ones ur class cant use?

gloomy thicket
#

2.4 for all classes

livid wasp
#

im so jealous of you all bein able to play the game

#

im still 800 cr shuffle too scared to queue

safe heart
#

Oh I probably won't bother then

#

I'll finish 21 then quit

safe heart
#

I'm just getting 2.1 for the seasonal stuff, assuming I cannot get glad and never looking at it again

livid wasp
#

im jealous

velvet quest
random patrol
#

Im waiting until next week when every toon gets 4 piece then Ill prob start the season Idk

#

Im lazy

stray sigil
#

its 2.1

#

not 2.4

#

other person confidently wrong

#

2.4 is literally only a tabard unlock

safe heart
#

Yeah I mean the weapons

#

I thouhht i remembered you saying that

#

2050 on sp today , will finish it Thursday

stray sigil
#

2.1 wep

#

2.4 tabard

gloomy thicket
#

Oh, I did NOT think you meant the weapons.

#

That's just not me understanding the question lol.

#

Mb ❤️

velvet quest
#

what did u think was meant when u said 2.4 for all classes

gloomy thicket
#

2.4 unlocks every transmog set

#

It spams tf out of you

velvet quest
#

is that new?

gloomy thicket
#

It's what I got for elite last season

#

I got spammed with every single transmog set unlocking at once

velvet quest
#

idk if i believe that

gloomy thicket
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

My non 2.1k paladin is in full last season elite transmog

velvet quest
#

youd get the elite transmog for 1800

stray sigil
#

that is not true

safe heart
gloomy thicket
#

I can only go off what I saw last season when I hit it

velvet quest
#

do you have elite sets for classes u never played last season?

safe heart
#

Yea I want the elite weapon transmogs but probably won't bother going to 2.4

stray sigil
#

just get 2,1 and sit on ur mmr

safe heart
#

I like it

stray sigil
#

and inflation will get u to 2.4 naturally

safe heart
#

Maybe I do it then

stray sigil
#

kinda what i do every ssn

#

not for 2.4 specifically

#

like last ssn i got to 2.4

safe heart
#

2.4 isn't like super freelo for me so I'd have to try

stray sigil
#

waited till like last 2 weeks or so

#

got 2.7 for free being a 3-3 merchant

safe heart
#

Gyatdam

stray sigil
#

idk the number but its prob like

#

10-15mmr/week

#

so u do the math if the ssn has like 3+ more months left

safe heart
#

Legend is still just pennant right

stray sigil
#

ye

#

i dont even bother with legend

#

think i had like

#

20/100 at 2.7 cr

#

and im not rly all that good at ww/ww is kinda fucking lobby dependant

#

so i rly cba

safe heart
#

Legend is so free tho once ur 2.4

#

Like as dumb as the pennant is, getting another 100 wins is nothing

stray sigil
#

shuffle is only fun if like ur class isnt getting omega aids'd in shuffle

#

ww is ur perma aid'sd

#

really frustrating to play

#

imop

stray sigil
#

but also u have to force urself to play into some terrible shit

safe heart
#

Yea you could just get 2.4 then be free and save your mental

stray sigil
#

like if i played ret

safe heart
#

Can't underrate that

stray sigil
#

def no problem

#

playing forever

#

but im not

velvet quest
#

i dont think i will ever get legend the only chance id have is if i really enjoyed healing for a season and wanted to grind a bunch

stray sigil
#

i got legend 1 time i think was crimson

#

cuz shuffle was new so was fun

#

and the qs werent 40mins long either

#

now its just a hassle for a omega budget glad title

velvet quest
#

i play alts intending to get 1800 and usually give up after 2 lobbies even if theyre going well

safe heart
#

I abused sp to get my legend

#

And I'm gunna abuse it this season to get elite wep

velvet quest
#

like last season i think i went 6-0 on feral and then 5-1 and was like man this sucks im quitting itll be too hard next lobby im not built for that mmr

stray sigil
#

whos gonna tell him

velvet quest
#

quit while i was ahead

stray sigil
#

if ur not a ret/dh

#

u wont enjoy shuffle

#

its real

safe heart
stray sigil
velvet quest
#

does anyone actually enjoy shuffle tho? like do the ret/dh players do it cause they enjoy it or cause they wanna feed their inflated egos while hating every second of it

stray sigil
#

i mean i enjoy it problem is

#

the qs are too long for the quality of the gameplay im part of

#

so it tilts me pretty hard

#

if i had healer qs on dos

#

dps

#

wouldnt be this tilting

velvet quest
#

yeah but the queue times are part of shuffle u cant separate it

stray sigil
#

sure u can just saying the gameplay is fine

velvet quest
#

and its what leads to a worse experience for any dps main

stray sigil
#

the wait time is dog

velvet quest
#

where u cant just "go next" and mental reset u have to sit there and be mad for a half hr after a bad lobby

stray sigil
#

thats why u play ret or dh and never have one of those

velvet quest
#

idk i also think it sucks to go 6-0 and feel like ur owning and then sit another 30 minute queue

spice ruin
#

I rather wait and play shuffle than run into a premade in Random BGs and waste my time from the waiting in queue + the BG

#

Because it's happening more and more lately.

velvet quest
#

if its random bg and u get stomped first team fight u just take deserter and swap next char u dont lose anything

safe heart
#

Yeah healing shuffle is honestly more fun and it's literally because you can actually get a queue when you want it

#

It's so frustrating to queue for shuffle, find something to fill the gap then like right when you get a pop you're in the middle of something else

#

Only reason I'm doing sp and not mw is cuz I'm scared after the nerfs

stray sigil
safe heart
#

Yea having his mmr helps but I'm also not that good

velvet quest
#

Yeah as dps when you hit the queue button ur just committed and if u want to go do something else 20m later u would feel like u just threw away that time so u stay in queue anyways

#

I thought meep quit wow

stray sigil
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why do u trhink all the r1s are just perma online ppl

velvet quest
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Was he just grounded?

stray sigil
stray sigil
safe heart
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Is it eiya

stray sigil
random patrol
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good

wintry jackal
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@safe heart just q 3s with me my boy

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I have a bnet full of good hpals

safe heart
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i have proper 4pc now btw

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and my mmr is probably cozy af rn

finite prawn
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ok dumb boomie question - I have dots up, I dont have enough AP for Starsurge; is my filler Starfire or Wrath?

vestal citrus
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depending on if ur being hit ur gonna have owlkin for insta starfires to get into solar

finite prawn
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gotcha, thx!

random patrol
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Im going to make that guy that played guardian druid with me back in sl heal my blood dk in 2s as revenge

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finally get him back

tardy hare
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Go get him lad!

safe heart
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I keep bricking 12s
Making me so mad bruv

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Can't tell if I don't heal enuf or dps just don't know what to do loll

dry elm
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Is the 4piece tier worth it for balance?

tardy hare
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They die slow they suck too

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I mean u can just check what they die from

livid wasp
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riot games is the biggest cancer in gaming industry

viscid remnant
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🤯

tardy hare
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Yoo mexi

tropic schooner
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while its a bad take from zechey

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ive seen worse

viscid remnant
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league = 🐒
dota = 🍷
valorant = 🥀
cs = PogCat

clear pulsar
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Checking that is helpful to becoming more aware of what can happen in that pull, dungeon, etc

tardy hare
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I mean if its insta kills then they just dumdum

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If its not then u are aper

clear pulsar
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But healers be out here bricking fully healable situations and thinking they did great cuz people took avoidable damage thus they wash their hands

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The worst feeling when I tank a key is realizing the healer wont be able to keep up in certain spots if I pull the way I want to

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Needing to go slow sucks

livid wasp
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every game they release is total shit that is unwatchable

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lol, valorant, tft

tropic schooner
tropic schooner
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this is one of the worst takes out there