pvp

[tiny oar]

wants to play
doesnt ask for queues
upset when queues dont happen
yea ok buddy

[stray sigil]

the fuji classical

[grand mesa]

Most I get is Fuji hinting at wanting to queue

Without asking

Like

MANNNN THESE LFG HEALERS SUCK

or

MANNNNNN IM SOOOOOOO BORED

[raw notch]

[stray sigil]

thats also the fuji special

complain about q times to healers

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[grand mesa]

Every once in a blue moon I get the nuclear option

“I might unsub I got nothing to do”

and I’m like ugh fineeeee

[tiny oar]

crazy work bro

[stray sigil]

[tiny oar]

LOL

[stray sigil]

always works

[grand mesa]

But no Fuji has never once in his life

Sent a message where the word queue and the ? Were together

In a sentence

[tiny oar]

miss me w that shit i aint a mind reader

[grand mesa]

I’m unfortunately fluent in Fuji

[tiny oar]

i neeed clear and direct comms

[grand mesa]

this is lakez sending subliminal messages that I should say that I got big damage on someone so she doesn’t clone it

All these subtexts man

[tiny oar]

unrelated but yes

[stray sigil]

shed clone my image pop

[grand mesa]

Ok but hear me out lakez

That was my first time playing spr since MOP

I didn’t even know I had damage

How the fuck was I gonna be able to tell you

[tiny oar]

LOL

[grand mesa]

I just saw buttons available and pressed it

[stray sigil]

[tiny oar]

OK BRO next time i track ur cds and do the thinking for u

[grand mesa]

Thank you

you say that to offend me but really that’s all I wanted

[tiny oar]

LOL

[grand mesa]

I setup buffoverlay and a separate omnibar to show when Fuji has images out and a big ToT frame

I expect the same care from you

[tiny oar]

ofc ofc

ur stun silence is mine too

[grand mesa]

I think it’s easier with melee tho

[tiny oar]

i will tell u when to press

[grand mesa]

It’s pretty clear who they’re hitting

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

I would never clone a rogue with 1% HP left with feral frenzy ticking on them

[raw notch]

factual

[stray sigil]

[tiny oar]

me either haha who would do that

[stray sigil]

both u pigs have done it to me

[grand mesa]

I have never done a bad clone

[stray sigil]

[random patrol]

@tiny oar you get to play on 512x342 res now yw

[livid wasp]

[tiny oar]

good morning zechey hope u have a good weekend

[tiny oar]

i play fucking runescape that's a walk in the park for me

[random patrol]

playing runescape while eating emu bacon

[tiny oar]

WHY DO U ALWAYS MAKE IT WEIRDDD

BLEH

[random patrol]

also duck bacon

both healthier then pig

[livid wasp]

[random patrol]

[tropic schooner]

????

[mental fox]

Ok so whats the boomkin wrath one shot build ?

[random patrol]

the one shot isn't worth it since you have to stack mastery and play like a loon to get it off

so unless your Corkiri or Liquid in a tourney your bound to waste your time playing it

you can find some top players using it on murloc io if you must use it though I'm pretty sure it will be nerfed after awc (blooming infusion and or umbral nerf)

[late wraith]

Liquid also decided it’s not worth it yeah? They tried it last night

or the night before I don’t remember

[rich crag]

Any tips for 1v1 enhance as feral? I guess it's dumb to fight em head on? I was in the world and this one with a bit better gear didnt' seem to die fast I think it had some world buffs on though. Just seemed to not take much damage. Just wondering if i should bleed/kite more than dot and bear tank or whatever.

[random patrol]

@late wraith 2 nights in a row I think the only good comp for it may be boomy rogue but still meme levels

@tropic schooner lit duck bacon

inb4 "which corruption enchant for my sec in pvp"? Idk void ritual or gushing prob

[raw notch]

im very curious how one could make duck bacon, that stuff is sooooo juicy like.... how does it get sucked so dry

oh wait. i was thinking jerky. yes, bacon is .. that makes sense

😄 yaa

[stray sigil]

also dont think a build like that would ever work for liquid

so anyways

[late wraith]

[raw notch]

mistakes were made

[random patrol]

@raw notch how those guys make it at least

yw

[raw notch]

LOL

thank you sooooooo much

[clear pulsar]

I often wonder how it can get sucked so dry too

Do you not?

[livid wasp]

[raw notch]

When you find out, can you teach me

[clear pulsar]

For science?

[raw notch]

duh

[random patrol]

you can in fact play Doom on a 1950s vacumm tube computer

[stray sigil]

what did he say

[raw notch]

do yall think its worth buying gems for pvp gear

[grand mesa]

having as many stats as everyone else is p good yea

[tiny oar]

gems are a crutch

just rip harder girlie

[stray sigil]

dont ask lake

she wouldnt know

prob hasnt had a single gem slot in 3 xpacs

[raw notch]

Yea, figured as much

fuck gear right

[stray sigil]

thats the lake way

[tiny oar]

having gear is just a greater margin of error for your mistakes

real OGs just crank

[raw notch]

i'll prolly just put the wrong stats on anyway

xD

wont even matter

[stray sigil]

remember when i asked u to do crit vers rdru

cuz u said this

and u never did

rly makes u think

[raw notch]

tahts probably cuz it was too much effort

to actually hit the recraft button

[tiny oar]

dont need to

gorecki already did it s2 bfa

[stray sigil]

pussy

[tiny oar]

ye i wish bro

gg

[grand mesa]

She can’t even gear properly once and u ask her to do it again to gear improperly and gear twice

[stray sigil]

[raw notch]

fr... thats way too much

[tiny oar]

???

dyude

wdym man

look at any r1 rdruid on the 3s ladderboard u freak of nature

GUESS HOW MUCH VERS ALL OF THEM HAVE CUAZ ITS NOT ZERO

[grand mesa]

im talking about ilvl

[tiny oar]

we're in pvp rn we dont talk abt pve garbage here

[random patrol]

darn

[grand mesa]

I’m talking about pvp too

[raw notch]

I tried quail egg raw once..

[grand mesa]

Are u 684 yet

[raw notch]

GAG

i did swallow it

[stray sigil]

shes still half in wm gear

shes a pig

[tiny oar]

yes

(683.5)

[grand mesa]

I need my rdru to be big and strong because I’m not leaving the middle

idc if warrior is executing me

[tiny oar]

yea yea i heal thru all the dmg in the world

ask valy she will vouch

[raw notch]

Yes we love Lake, the goddesss of healing all of my sins

[stray sigil]

[random patrol]

needs more chicken(food)

[raw notch]

Im living on crumbs and arenas today

[tiny oar]

goated life

the blood of my enemies is all i need for nourishment

[stray sigil]

u soak in mud and shit

u pig

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360572438691708941/1281296727789408256/RestoRat.gif

[grand mesa]

im ready for my pvp arc

@tiny oar

we do 2s after raid

[tiny oar]

g

[tiny oar]

eat my ass sinful badiator

[stray sigil]

[raw notch]

pls queue into my bracket

[stray sigil]

[clear fox]

Excuse me

11%

Well guess that’s not zero

[tiny oar]

15+ most of em but yea same thing

[stray sigil]

but stats a crutch go 0 vers

[tiny oar]

true

[stray sigil]

[random patrol]

I rem bfa when being naked made you stronger

[grand mesa]

no wonder that was lakez best period of success

where u wore greens and sshit

and scaled up

@stray sigil

true?

[raw notch]

cap

[stray sigil]

real

[raw notch]

Is there a comp by comp how to PvP for dummies somewhere

Serious

[stray sigil]

no

ur doing it again @tiny oar

dont think i dont see u

[tiny oar]

GET FUCKED LOSER

[stray sigil]

ur double blocked

and double muted

hope u lose to ww brother

fucking pigs

@tiny oar ur lucky it wasnt me

ud be dead .1 fuck pig

[tiny oar]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-kisanya-redmoon-funny-dance-gif-13481945572475354994

[grand mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-kisanya-redmoon-funny-dance-gif-13481945572475354994

[stray sigil]

ur both freaks

@tiny oar NOT LAKE SAYING FUCK DESTRO

WHEN SHE QD DESTRO SPLAY

FOR GLAD

NAH

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[raw notch]

I never waana see another warlock again in my life

[stray sigil]

the audacity of rdru saying this

when locks been their bf for 20 years

[tiny oar]

locks are sick

[raw notch]

Sorry.. … it is a betrayal I know

[tiny oar]

splay goated comp

[raw notch]

But as a ret paladin I want them to die

[grand mesa]

splay is zzzz

do nothing comp

btw lakez

we need to find a warlock

and play splay

ty

[tiny oar]

xd

[stray sigil]

[raw notch]

Brb I’m using my lvl 70 boost

[stray sigil]

splay equivalent of ret war

dont @ me

[random patrol]

make lake play resto aug guardian

[tiny oar]

https://tenor.com/view/wo-w-world-of-warcraft-dragon-flight-dragon-flight-gif-25461077

[raw notch]

Aug was doing some silly dmg til they fixed the bug

[random patrol]

@tiny oar yw

[tiny oar]

wtf bro

@stray sigil gonna have to find a new bit after my belt craft

[random patrol]

@tiny oar I collect them I have over a hundred atm

[stray sigil]

[viscid remnant]

[velvet quest]

holy you have 10 ilvl over fuji

he hasnt even finished farming for his pvp trinkets icant

[tiny oar]

HAHAHAHHAHA so fricking good

[stray sigil]

those are unfortunately maxxed out u piglet

u think i have a myth track gouse

of cards

[velvet quest]

Ok hear me out. Shadopan no xuens bond and play priory trinket as a 2m class

[stray sigil]

m+ sp is no xuens bond

i think

[velvet quest]

Refund your dinar and get a signet

[stray sigil]

wrong so wrong

remmeber u get cdr in sp for images

so wrong

so so wrong

sooooo wrong

also i looted a jastor from heroic raid today

so i have a free dinar

[velvet quest]

Images cdr doesn’t matter cause you have charges wdym

[stray sigil]

so wrong

soooooo wrong

clearly i havent thought u everything i know quite yet

youve got a long way to go

[velvet quest]

You’re clearly a new ww main if you’re playing ww. All the long term ww mains rerolled to something better and only play ww as an alt

[stray sigil]

ww is borken and best life

[lilac mist]

M’Druids, if you are running lions strength instead of bloodtalons, does Druid of the claw become more viable?

[clear pulsar]

No

[grand mesa]

I played spr rdru with lakez

As long as I don’t play against a warrior monk rogue or hunter it feels p good

[raw notch]

thats a long list

[clear pulsar]

He forgot to mention feral dk dh and ret

[raw notch]

tru

[clear pulsar]

Prob hasnt faced them yet

[raw notch]

tbf if he faced a feral, lake probably just out played the other druid and it was fine :^)

[grand mesa]

Ret is food. Just need their rdruid to troll harder than mine. @tiny oar

[raw notch]

the "he's hardcasting wild growth" is killing me

[grand mesa]

hahahahah

[raw notch]

prime cinema, will go again

[clear pulsar]

Roguelike bg3 is goated

Fuck arena

I will shrimply not shuffle this season

[grand mesa]

I bought expedition 33

Will I successfully play a single player game

@clear pulsar u wanna see something silly

[raw notch]

are u streaming bg3

[grand mesa]

first set of mintes on sprocket

piety goes BRRR man

[clear pulsar]

[grand mesa]

r u still raiding

[chrome panther]

what

?!

[narrow crane]

Did they change grove guardians? Gcd

[chrome panther]

yup

[narrow crane]

Aight rgr thought I was losing it

[tidal widget]

hi

[clear pulsar]

Look up Trials of Tav

I'm having a blast, do you wanna see

[chrome panther]

yes

i bricked another honor run on mykrul

[clear pulsar]

Hop on

[tidal widget]

for Feral, is Conquest Gear with Haste better or worse than War Mode Gear with Mastery?

[clear pulsar]

Generally speaking if a slot doesnt have mastery version on conquest vendor, you can just buy conquest 'tokens' to craft for the same cost

[tidal widget]

what if I don't wanna spend gold on crafting?

if it's strictly between conquest vendor gear and world pvp gear

[clear pulsar]

I'd wear the mastery pieces

[tiny oar]

mastery goated w the sauce

[tidal widget]

is mastery that much better than haste?

also, do diminishing returns start at around 20k of a single stat?

[tiny oar]

for rdruid? yea

[tidal widget]

feral

not resto

[chrome panther]

@clear pulsar is it just a mod you download

this is intense

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the roguelike mod has another as requirement and you can just add more stuff along with it

This is my 2nd run

My 1st try I wiped at lvl 7 to the mage tower big robot boss + the giant tree boss from act 2 + a few other random mobs

[viscid remnant]

goathead

[clear pulsar]

Too easy

[clear pulsar]

It's really very intense when you miss every 70% attack for 3 combats in a row

[chrome panther]

lmao i saw that

the immune to cold into 3 misses

[clear pulsar]

[tiny oar]

rip ankles out there today fwiens

ur all wonderful and beautiful and I believe in u achieving all your hopes and dreams

[raw notch]

[grand mesa]

[raw notch]

what is a good honor farm? im trying to do solo shuffle for it, but the queues are actually just taking too long... and noone wanted to do eye of the storm bg either which I really thought would be fun

[random patrol]

crate farms

just find them in lfg flying around get crates

alternative you can get crates in wm in other expac zones

[stray sigil]

epic bgs

prob

[raw notch]

oh crate farm ezpz

[random patrol]

epics are for afk honor if your horde

little effort easy honor though wintergrasp is a meme

[raw notch]

Am ally and I have no BG xp outside of classic sadly

I could already be gemmed up if I wanted to spend another 100k on bloodstones

[random patrol]

ah prob a night elf I have pieces of teldrassil in my bank to sell you

[raw notch]

lol chilll

[random patrol]

I have 1000 plus bloodstones to

[raw notch]

Im a dwarf pally atm

[stray sigil]

a @clear pulsar paladin

[raw notch]

Want to negotiate a trade

[stray sigil]

thats crazy

[random patrol]

time to toss the dwarf

[stray sigil]

dont toss face

thats not nice

[raw notch]

Face plays Paladin?

I waana see

[stray sigil]

no but

face is 5'2 irl

so hes a dwarf

[raw notch]

lol

That’s crazy you gonna do him like that

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar

[raw notch]

I’m only 5’3

It could be worse

[stray sigil]

ur also a dwarf

[raw notch]

Nah I’m a goblin

[stray sigil]

[raw notch]

Rawr

[stray sigil]

i dont think goblins rawr ppl

thats a furry thing

real

[random patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkFzbPth288

[stray sigil]

the goat

too bad face is a non haired dwarf

baby face 5'3 taco dwarf

[raw notch]

me asking Lake to help my little legs

[stray sigil]

well

lake is also like 5'3

[raw notch]

but in game she gets to be as tall as a tree!

cant beat that

[stray sigil]

[random patrol]

just bought more

good old sprigs

[stray sigil]

ur too rich for ur own good old man

[raw notch]

lol

yea thats pretty stacked

[stray sigil]

i have sugar daddies giving me gold

[random patrol]

Ill lend you it at 50 percent interest through a middle man

[raw notch]

and how do you feel about that

[random patrol]

bout it though

[raw notch]

I'll borrow, and never pay back. ez

type shit

[random patrol]

needs more feet pics

[raw notch]

yea yea, thats what they all say

[clear pulsar]

I just stay hydrated my skin is pretty, not my fault

Deadass

[stray sigil]

[vestal citrus]

low test

[raw notch]

its genetics..

solo shuffle pmo

[viscid remnant]

Brainrot

[tropic schooner]

[viscid remnant]

@clear pulsars1mpl plaing

[grand mesa]

Is he still good

How old is he at this point

[clear pulsar]

Nothing like the little mouse shake like you have brain damage that he does after shooting

[viscid remnant]

27

unc territory

[grand mesa]

that’s not even old !

[raw notch]

I’m washed

Maxing out at 1800

[viscid remnant]

[raw notch]

I’ll have to see how far Lake can carry me

[clear pulsar]

Just like old times

[grand mesa]

[viscid remnant]

honestly he played well but this roster of faze is just cursed since twiztz left fr

[stray sigil]

my god simple looks so european with that haircut

[viscid remnant]

Yea hes literally from europe

Nah this blud is stupid

[stray sigil]

i mean he looks

so slavic

with that haircut

look at this doode

[late wraith]

He looks like a little boy who throws tantrums if he doesn’t get a lollipop

[viscid remnant]

He looks like one of those jd vance edits honestly

With the lolipop and propelor hat looking like a pipsqueak

[late wraith]

He’s Augustus gloop for zoomers

[viscid remnant]

Vas

[grand mesa]

Ok yes

That’s it

I was wondering what he reminded me of

[raw notch]

Dudley Vernon

[viscid remnant]

No harrypodder allowed

❌

[tropic schooner]

Vernon

[raw notch]

Yea.. I woke up from nap and forgot his name ig

[misty shuttle]

yo folks just been trying balance in pvp and I feel like I'm tickling things with a wet noodle. Is this normal? 😮

[raw notch]

Are you max ilvl?

[misty shuttle]

heck no, 650 pvp ilvl, no tier, no embelishments

[grand mesa]

[raw notch]

Then you’re gonna be weak

[misty shuttle]

aye, I get that

just surprised how weak

like, spamming all my cooldowns and starsurge and dealing such low dmg xD

[raw notch]

Yea I asked my rogue friend to kill me once in his pve set… it tickles

[chrome panther]

ur a full season ilvl behind i think?

[grand mesa]

639 last tier but not too far off

just a widdle 34ilvl to go to catchup

[misty shuttle]

wanna know if it's worth it though

how does the burst stack up to something like Dev or Aug?

[vestal citrus]

I love Garry Botter

[raw notch]

Dudley Weasley

[tropic schooner]

close enough

[raw notch]

[random patrol]

https://murlok.io/druid/balance/3v3

done

[raw notch]

Can you lose rating in solo shuffle

[tropic schooner]

yes

[raw notch]

Mmkayyy, guess I’m not doing that today

[late wraith]

Dev has a lot more sustained damage than boomy. Boomy has very very strong burst. Dev is easier and you’ll have a much easier time kiting while still doing damage. With boomy after 2nd incarn there’s a lull where you kinda just gotta live and spam clones

[misty shuttle]

I believe it depends on your current MMR vs your actual rating

like if you are on 2k mmr but at 1500 rating, you won't lose rating right?

[raw notch]

Maybe if you play like doodoo

[misty shuttle]

aha, ok thank you

[raw notch]

I’m at 1800/1900.

I don’t understand how the loss works

[misty shuttle]

that sounds kinda similar to the old deep breath aug build

[raw notch]

Cuz so far it just goes up

But I only played one day so idk

[late wraith]

your mmr is higher than your cr

when your cr catches your mmr you will lose and the gains will slow

[raw notch]

Ohhh ok. Close the gap

[late wraith]

yep

it's forgiving up front

[misty shuttle]

really cool change

apart from when you start the season and have 0 good gear but can just scrape entry into rated solo shuffle

and they decide to throw you in at 2k rating for your first game

[late wraith]

yeah it's def hard to start later than everyone else, however if you're down gear, do the pvp crate farm

[raw notch]

I’m so glad my first game wasn’t complete misery I never would have queued again

[late wraith]

conquest is uncapped rn you'll be in full conquest gear after a day of that

[misty shuttle]

I was like... WTH these low CR players are actually tough as nails, what's going on'

until I saw the actual MMR was 2k for some reason xD

used to put you in at 1500 didn't it

[late wraith]

i think it depends on a few things like where you were end of last season

[raw notch]

I think mine used my 2s rating or something

[late wraith]

and what your peak is. i think a fresh player in a deflated season will still be 1500 to start but i honestly have no idea how it does placement in solo

in 3s and 2s you get placement rounds to determine your mmr so they throw you in a bunch of games

yeah that sounds right that your 2s rating is influencing it. i dunno someone else might know how that all works together.

[misty shuttle]

I hadn't played 2s tbh

just blitz and shuffle

so probably used my shuffle rating from a previous season

[late wraith]

did you play those last season? yeah

[misty shuttle]

which I was NOT expecting xD

[late wraith]

it's taking that into account

like i don't think it'll do that to a person who has never stepped foot in arena before.

[misty shuttle]

'why are they using defensives?!?'

[late wraith]

hahahah

[raw notch]

I just want to do the mmr with the rest of the “I have zero xp” gamers so no one is mad at me

[late wraith]

if you tank your rating down you can do that

live in the fun zone.

[misty shuttle]

that's what random BGs and epic BGs are for tho right

[raw notch]

I don’t know the BGs. That is way scarier

[late wraith]

eh sort of i think theyre different vibes personally but yeah you could do that

[raw notch]

Imagine getting lost all alone

In a faraway place

[late wraith]

and still getting yelled at in chat by the yappers

[raw notch]

Getting camped by a rogue

[late wraith]

val are you na or eu?

[raw notch]

NA

[late wraith]

we should do some games together with @tiny oar

triple druid

[raw notch]

I only heal tho

My boomie skills are rly bad

[late wraith]

that's fine lake can be a cat

or a boomy with me (she will not do this)

[raw notch]

Haha

Okay :3

I’ve been playing ret with her for 2s

So that’s what I’m doing mostly rn

[late wraith]

nice

boomy ret is unfortch the worst comp possible but i can play my liddle honter

[raw notch]

I can’t play against any ranged comps it is so aids

[late wraith]

you ARE a ranged though what theeeeeee

[raw notch]

Nuhhhhhh

I am a noob so my kiting skills need work

[late wraith]

that's fair

there's a lot upfront. it feels punishing to start arenas

[raw notch]

I’m getting the hang of all the melee comps

Idk how to kill hunters warlocks or mages

Well.. mages can die if they are with a rogue

[misty shuttle]

what classes would you say boomie is really strong into?

[late wraith]

I think it’s comp dependent, I play with a rogue but rmp has felt good, most melee cleaves feel fine, honestly all of them feel fine I think we have struggled most against mage/war lately and lock always feels hard to get through everything

[tiny oar]

yes yes agree ^^

[misty shuttle]

what about 1on1?

[late wraith]

[late wraith]

We are very bad 1v1. Easiest to kite are like war, kinda rogue and ww so those would likely be my picks but I also don’t want to 1v1 any of those lol

[misty shuttle]

ahh, shame

what are the best 1v1 casters in your opinion?

[late wraith]

If you get any melee behind a pillar and your healer can see you it’s ez though

Dev

wait 1v1 as boomy?

Or are you saying they have an easier time 1v1ing

[misty shuttle]

easiest time 1v1ing

[viscid remnant]

WE are bad 1v1

Frost mage maybe?

[late wraith]

Yeah I think it’s gotta be mage

Cause they have a lot of defensives to eat through and very good mobility

[misty shuttle]

interesting

mage defensives are generally very short duration tho

and many can be purged / dispelled

[late wraith]

Yeah but in a 1v1 who is purging alter

Or mding ice block

[tiny oar]

me I'm built like that

[late wraith]

like I guess if you’re playing something that can do that then def easier

[raw notch]

Built diff

Built to last

[late wraith]

Maximum scheme build

[tiny oar]

catch me cloning the alter and swiping the ice block for a maim

[viscid remnant]

Not many classes have purge

[raw notch]

I kno ur so nasty

[viscid remnant]

1v1 is a meme anyway

[raw notch]

1v1 as a healer sounds rough

[random patrol]

my main arena comp is boomy ret disc

[raw notch]

I did that against a mage once… we almost had him

[random patrol]

weeeeeeeeeeeee

[raw notch]

You just want us for our lay don’t you

[tiny oar]

depends on class p much always win vs a mage cuz I'm just w keying them in cat form for 3 minutes

[random patrol]

@raw notch we get carried by the healer tbf without him it would be dead in the water

aka give ret a mortal strike

[raw notch]

Kekw

Always getting carried so it don’t matter

[random patrol]

it's still not a good comp but hey can do meme one shots sometimes

sometimes it works

about 20 percent of the time so counts as 100 percent

[raw notch]

Tbf I think our uptime and cds are disgusting (ret) so dont matter too much, we will win if the stars align

If I am allowed to touch the target that is

[grand mesa]

@stray sigil

[stray sigil]

is lvladen in our misdt

[languid sorrel]

is this really pvp BIS ?

greens are only 606 ilvl and dont seem to be able to upgrade which is confusing or is icy veins wrong

Wowhead says this but not pvp

[raw notch]

yea all those greens when you craft them will turn purple with the conquest material

https://murlok.io/druid/feral/solo

[languid sorrel]

is there still weekly quests at main town for like pvp and stuf

[raw notch]

Not sure if it’s constantly up, might rotate. There is one sometimes

[languid sorrel]

where is it normally located ?

[clear pulsar]

Southeast entrance of the city, around the training dummies area where the pvp vendors also are

[livid wasp]

getting 3 vault requires so many damn dungeons

[raw notch]

I’ve been playing this really cool game all season called what’s in my 1 slot

The only downside is I never have enough tokens for the socket item

[languid sorrel]

fr wtf

[languid sorrel]

soa nnoying doing at max lvl for no reward ahah like no point hate pve too

[random patrol]

@tiny oar I was going to comment on why the lava doesn't burn you but hey for a fire owl it makes sense kinda

[stray sigil]

@tiny oar i see u dodgin qs with the supreme leader

[tiny oar]

"dodging"

I'm going to work bro

get REAL

[stray sigil]

fuck u pig

ill remember this

when antares is r1

he will not forget

[tiny oar]

sure thing buddy

[random patrol]

leveling the aug time for aug guardian disc @tiny oar

[clear pulsar]

You reroll boomie or what?

[stray sigil]

be my rdru kitten q 2s with my woyer @clear pulsar

[random patrol]

ngl hunters and other mail armor classes have terrible mogs

[tiny oar]

yeea its rly bad lol

my evoker looks sick at least

[random patrol]

my evoker is naked

[random patrol]

hunter race hmm could go dragon, kt or tauren or canadian tauren

[haughty ridge]

go stand in the middle under a piston 😄

[random patrol]

@haughty ridge no but I'll put my little mechagnomes under if for people to die

[livid wasp]

+10 shouldnt demote to +9 if failed

[tropic schooner]

Dont fail

[tidal widget]

Matted Fur vs Improved Survival Instincts for Feral in Solo Shuffle

Which one gives more defensive value and why

And would it be a bad idea to drop Typhoon so I can have both?

[livid wasp]

not my fault if tank has autism

its just messed that its gg if it goes down to 9

cant really find anyone for a 9

and 9 is useless

and now I cant get full vault

[livid wasp]

improved SI is a guardian talent no?

[tidal widget]

Wait

[tidal widget]

I meant Improved Honed Instincts

The one that makes honed instincts a 90s CD instead of 120s

[livid wasp]

perfectly honed instincts better probably

the dmg reduction from matted fur is like nothing

I dont use either, I got ursols vortex and typhoon

[tidal widget]

I use both vortex and typhoon but I've dropped remove corruption

Is remove corruptiom necessary?

[tidal widget]

I feel like perfectly honed instincts never lets me get a 2nd honed instincts in

[smoky coyote]

how does Boomie feel in pvp rn? i never played it only done arenas and bg's with resto

[tidal widget]

How often are you under heavy pressure for 90 secs as feral

Without dying

In SS

[livid wasp]

remove corruption kinda good against aff lock and shamans

[tiny oar]

shocking..

[tidal widget]

I have trouble remembering stuff you're not supposed to dispell like Malefic Rupture

And I find it distracting to keep looking at debuffs for stuff to remove or not remove

How much better is Remove Corruption on average compared to something like Perfectly-Honed Instincts?

[tidal widget]

I usually use Drustvar rating percentiles to measure how well a spec is doing in a format

By that metric, Balance is doing slightly above average in Solo Shuffle, a middle-of-the-pack caster

In a better place than Feral and Resto

[clear pulsar]

That's crazy talk

[livid wasp]

like I guess you could switch between not taking remove corruption against comps you dont need but I cba

[tidal widget]

cba?

[tidal widget]

In BG Blitz, Balance is doing even better

[grand mesa]

Absolutely new tech

[tidal widget]

Especially in comparison to Resto

[clear pulsar]

That's a different conversation

[tropic schooner]

cant be arsed

[clear pulsar]

Idk what reasoning you have for saying boomie is in a better place than resto in shuffle but it's a miss

[tidal widget]

Rating statistics

Percentile of players playing the spec who are at or above a certain rating

My reference point is usually percentile above 1800 but I also look at 2400

[clear pulsar]

That is not real

Bless up tho live love laugh you gotta think what you gotta think to keep that underdog edge

[tidal widget]

??

[tropic schooner]

even if you cant compare moonkin to resto 1 to 1 (resto wins there too but thats not actually fully "fair" cause of a lot more dps specs)

resto is the second most represented healer

while moonkin is like 5th/6th most represented ranged dps (if you also consider melee its even lower)

and as I said resto is also straight up more represented then moonkin, but I would consider that somewhat fake as a stat to compare the specs

[tidal widget]

I'm not comparing based on popularity though

[tropic schooner]

lol

[clear pulsar]

There are a number of factors that complicate the comparison to the point where that statistic is completely meaningless

[tropic schooner]

thats like the only somewhat meaningful way

popularity above x rating

[tidal widget]

I'm comparing based on the % of boomies or restos who are rated above a certain rating, such as 1800

[tropic schooner]

I dont even think thats possible

[tidal widget]

Drustvar has the percentiles

[tropic schooner]

dont those data collection sites start at 1500?

[tidal widget]

Idk drustvar starts at 1000

[tropic schooner]

but sure lets see

[tidal widget]

According to mixed data from EU and US, 29% of boomies are 1800+ as opposed to 22% of restos

[tropic schooner]

and how does that compare to the possible comparisitions, so other spes of the same role

[tidal widget]

You can compare to the average 1800+ percentile of that role

But still

If you wanna get high rating play something you're good at with high average rating
If you wanna have fun stop looking at statistics entirely and just play what you like

If you prefer playing healer over dps play healer

[tropic schooner]

but you are chosing one singular stat to look at

[tidal widget]

The other thing I could look at is popularity/representation which is biased based on the community's perception of what is good

[tropic schooner]

okay so you are basically the only one who thinks resto isnt that good while everyone else believes its very good?

[tidal widget]

For comparsion, for Arms, which is considered to be the strongest spec, it's somewhere around 33%

[tidal widget]

Never claimed that

[tropic schooner]

no im claiming that because the popularity/representation disagrees with you

[tidal widget]

I haven't gone around interviewing people so I don't know what the general opinion is

[tropic schooner]

and you are saying that thats based on perception

[tidal widget]

It's heavily influenced by it

[tropic schooner]

sure it absolutely is to some degree

[tidal widget]

But also by other factors such as how easy the class is to play

And more

Or just how cool the class is or how enjoyable the gameplay is

Which is why I find rating statistics to be a more objective way of measuring viability

[tropic schooner]

I disagree but you do you

[tidal widget]

I just checked and at 1800+ rating it's the 5th most represented out of 7 specs, making up around 10% of healers

In solo shuffle

3rd most represented at 2400+ though

[tropic schooner]

sure in US

[tidal widget]

Ok and in terms of rating it's doing above average in the 2400+ rating range

[tropic schooner]

even tho I would argus

hpala and rdruid

are equal

[tidal widget]

I'm looking at mixed data

From eu and us

Since idk what your region is

[tropic schooner]

wait actually

thats not even true

its tied for most represented in the US above 2.4

[chrome panther]

[tropic schooner]

thought holy was above that guess Us doesnt like holy as much as eu

[tropic schooner]

I see other numbers, but that also agrees with me?

[tidal widget]

[tropic schooner]

its not third, and its tied for first

[tidal widget]

Does EU just love priest

[tidal widget]

It's third in mixed region data so it must be less represented in EU

[clear pulsar]

I think end of day

[tidal widget]

No it's actually 3rd in EU as well

[clear pulsar]

The comparison is just completely flawed on a generally meaningless stat in a vacuum since it doesnt account for things like the way and reason why people play the game.

[tidal widget]

And it's about half and half so idk

[tidal widget]

Can any statistic account for the reason people play the game

Other than a literal survey

[clear pulsar]

For instance, DPS has a significantly bigger chunk stuck at the 1800 mark because DPS queues take 15x as long, so a lot more of them stop playing after hitting elite mog.

[tropic schooner]

where do you even see that on I drustvar (I assume you use that site?)

[clear pulsar]

While the healer curve is a lot smoother

[tidal widget]

https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/solo-shuffle-stats/us#/

[clear pulsar]

No, it's the other way around tho, statistics are affected by a number of things you arent accounting for when you just say balance is better than resto and feral

Because you looked at one stat

When boomie has comfortably been the more mediocre of the 3, relative to role, in arena

[tropic schooner]

oh yea that does seem a lot more accurate then the check pvp one why on earth does it only have 13 ppl there above 2.4 didnt even notice while in the ladder there are a lot more

[tidal widget]

13 people 💀

[tropic schooner]

oh wait

I was an idiot

lets not talk about that part

[tidal widget]

Filtering?

[tropic schooner]

yea

but luckily my argument still holds

based on the stats rdruid is one of the most popular and best healers

[tidal widget]

I never disagreed that balance is about average in arena

[tropic schooner]

actually pretty much pure luck

[tidal widget]

I just believe resto is below average except in very high ratings

[tidal widget]

Most popular? Depends on the rating bracket and region
Best? Meh

[tropic schooner]

I could make somewhat of a solid argument to say that its the best straight up

I wouldnt really believe that argument

but I could back it up with stats

but one of the most popular is in every single bracket 1800-2400

[clear pulsar]

It's nowhere near as popular as either priest spec

[tropic schooner]

in 1800 yea

its halfish

but considering its clearly the best healer spec in the game its overrepresented in higher rating

(no I dont actually believe that)

[clear pulsar]

Hilariously, the actual best healer in the game (hpriest) is 2nd worst by the percentile above 2400 thing

@grand mesa you are the enemy

[tidal widget]

RDruid is a contender for best healer in gladiator-level play but below that it's underperforming

[clear pulsar]

Are you an aspiring rdru coping on that?

[grand mesa]

what i do

[tropic schooner]

see clearly unplayable trash

[grand mesa]

im innocent

im just an old man trying to play the game

[tidal widget]

Holy priest has the best 1800+ percentile

Followed by disc priest I think

[tidal widget]

It seems to be dead average at gladiator level

[clear pulsar]

Man the last place I'm looking to figure out what's good is 1800 percentile

[chrome panther]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

[grand mesa]

rdruids stinky

[tropic schooner]

perfect

its 1500-1799 time

(its rshaman)

[grand mesa]

below starting MMR for a new toon at that point

[tidal widget]

💀

[tropic schooner]

yea assume most or at least good portion doesnt have played the placements

[tidal widget]

Would you consider an 1800 rated player to be good or bad

Compared to the average

[tropic schooner]

average what? like whats the context here

[tidal widget]

Average skill arena player

[tropic schooner]

why do we start with arena player?

[chrome panther]

isn't 1800 below starting mmr

[tropic schooner]

why not overall wow player

like I personally would consider them bad

but obviously over the whole wow population they are above average by a huge margin

bad/good arent objective they literally always depend a lot on perspective/context

[tidal widget]

Can we compare an 1800 arena rated player to a pve player

[tropic schooner]

sure

id say they are worse then average

especially in pve

[tidal widget]

I mean how do we even compare

[tropic schooner]

I dont know

you asked

[tidal widget]

I meant to ask is it even possible to compare pvp rating to non-pvp player skill

I phrased it poorly

[tidal widget]

My original question was 1800 compared to the average arena player

Not in general

[clear pulsar]

Everybody below me is shit

Everybody above me is an asshole

Tru?

[tropic schooner]

and a nerd

true

[grand mesa]

based

[tidal widget]

Real

[tropic schooner]

no lifer

[grand mesa]

everyone below me is shit everyone above me is a no lifer who needs a job

[tropic schooner]

no lifer who needs a job is a fotm reroller and is actually shit

[clear pulsar]

@grand mesa I fought lvl 18 Avatar of Myrkul out in the streets of Rivington earlier + another lvl 18 at the same time

[grand mesa]

those are words

[clear pulsar]

Then I fought the Grymforge guardian without lava or hammer + Bernard the robot from mage tower

[tidal widget]

Differenr question

[grand mesa]

ok undermine

is actually awful for spark of wars

where are the trash

it's not like dirt

[clear pulsar]

Trash are way better than dirt

[grand mesa]

i can't find trash

[clear pulsar]

Undermind is goat sparks

[tidal widget]

Someone who ends their 1st season ever playing arena with 1800 solo shuffle rating

Good or bad player

[tropic schooner]

whats the point

[tidal widget]

Does there have to be one

[tropic schooner]

yes

[tidal widget]

I'm new to arena and wondering if with a few years of practice I could hit glad one day

[grand mesa]

oh

this has now changed context for me

[tropic schooner]

sure if you put in time/improve likely possible

as I said "good"/"bad" is literally ONLY context dependent

[viscid remnant]

[tropic schooner]

like for me for example I was happy cause I hit gold in overwatch a few years ago

I needed to improve to get there

I wasnt at that lvl before I know a lot of people would say thats shit

and im fine

[tidal widget]

Context for my question ir my shitty spec takes?

[tropic schooner]

but when I hit diamond in league I dont give a fuck cause thats usually free for me

even tho objectivly thats a higher percentage in rank

context matters

[grand mesa]

saying ur new to arena and want to hit goals changed made it like that gordon ramsay meme

[tidal widget]

The idiot sandwhich one?

[tidal widget]

[tiny oar]

I got mine in an expansion so definitely possible ye

[tidal widget]

To be honest I'm already happy with how much I've improved since the start of the season

[tropic schooner]

that should be enough

[raw notch]

Lake, u probably started with 2k mmr tho

[tidal widget]

I was actual dogshit

[tiny oar]

duelist > elite > elite > glad so I guess so

[raw notch]

talent.. and good at the game

[tidal widget]

MMR carries over into the next season?

[grand mesa]

not what val mean

[raw notch]

no, im saying her personal skill level was starting higher than avg

[grand mesa]

but yeah

some of it does

they usually soft reset MMR a bit

but it's not a full reset

some seasons like df s4 they barely reset it at all

[tidal widget]

To be expected

One question though

How much skill transfers over from one class to another?

[tropic schooner]

a shitton

[grand mesa]

alot

[tidal widget]

Like you still keep your general sense of positioning and awareness obviously but your rotation and keybinds are all different

[tropic schooner]

especially in lower ratings and obviously a lot more if its same role

[grand mesa]

even ur keybinds can probably be almost the same

[tidal widget]

And I would assume going from melee to caster or from DPS to healer would be even worse

[grand mesa]

kick is kick across all toons. u have your wall like barkskin, which can be same keybind for divine protection on paladin, or whatever

[tropic schooner]

keybinds/rotation compared to awareness isnt even close in importance

[tiny oar]

+2 all the same shit w a few exceptions

[tropic schooner]

like ofc you awnt to have it as good as possible no doubt but seeing whats going on is huge

[raw notch]

Im working on my arena eyes atm, they keep getting slightly better

[tropic schooner]

yea thats like the hardest part for new players

actually watching the game

[tiny oar]

I'm just a silly little resto druid girl

[tropic schooner]

and not watching the frames/your spells

[tiny oar]

they are yea ^^

[raw notch]

Thank you :3

I need more keybinds for my pally, im clicking a lot of things

cuz for some reason thats the only class I play where all the buttons are not the same binds

[tropic schooner]

if I would be smart

I would overhaul like 90% of my keybinds

they are god awful

[grand mesa]

too late

generational muslce memory

cannot be fixed

for me

[tropic schooner]

Im playing with fucking shit hotkeys in wc3 too

[raw notch]

yea im using the worst keybinds on paladin just cuz played it since dragonflight

[tropic schooner]

why the fuck is more building on l

HOW ON EARTH DO I PRESS THAT FUCKING BUTTON

[tiny oar]

how the fuck are you hitting l

[raw notch]

L.. brother.. L

[tropic schooner]

yes

ancient of Lore

is on L

g for building and then l

[raw notch]

u have to do a whole backflip irl

[tiny oar]

my fingers barely even go to G

[raw notch]

to hit that

[tropic schooner]

well its not like you need to have your hands on wasd

but its still awkward

[raw notch]

ur right, some ppl prefer qwe hand placement

[tropic schooner]

Im playing with fucking shit hotkeys in wc3 too

[tiny oar]

sure yes changes depending what's going on no way I'd bind h or 5 tho

[tropic schooner]

[tiny oar]

I use this :)

[raw notch]

I think those ppl are cuties

its not me i have wasd

[tropic schooner]

criminals*

[tiny oar]

I'm criminally cute

[tropic schooner]

mostly criminal

[tidal widget]

My only keybinds other than the default numbers are F for Flamestrike on mage (entangling roots on druid) and R for kick

[tiny oar]

well

[tidal widget]

Am I cooked

[raw notch]

looks like you can touch your number buttons like that

[tiny oar]

no comment :)

[tropic schooner]

yes

[raw notch]

i dont use the numbers except on my mmo mouse

[tropic schooner]

if you want to work towards getting glad

you should REALLY try to get more hotkeys

while possible to not do it... it will make it a lot easier

[tidal widget]

Any priorities for stuff that should be bound?

[tropic schooner]

everything you use

[raw notch]

literally every ability

[tropic schooner]

but obviously stuff you use a lot/need to use fast

is more important

[raw notch]

im so slow i miss whole seconds to mouseover shit

[tiny oar]

I use base and shift and control modifiers for all of these

[tidal widget]

No clicking Rip? 😔

[tiny oar]

NO CLICKING RIP

[raw notch]

its just infinitely slower

[tropic schooner]

no clicking rip

[tidal widget]

I mean I technically have Rip bound to 5

But I almost always end up clicking instead

[tropic schooner]

think bigger deal is you obstruct your mouse

and you cant do other shit

[tidal widget]

Wait no

Rip is 6

Rake is 5 and I actually press that usually

But anything beyond that on the number line I usually just click

[tropic schooner]

if you can use 6

and 5

[raw notch]

its ok for me ish, cuz im heavy gcd locked on my zero haste paladin anyway

[grand mesa]

g is cyclone

[tropic schooner]

you can basically use everything up to rfc comfortably

and prolly tgv

[tidal widget]

No C for cyclone

???

Crazy

[tropic schooner]

doesnt matter

[grand mesa]

is is wild growth

[tropic schooner]

I do have c for cyclone actually tho

[raw notch]

c is cleanse

[tropic schooner]

WG clearly on 1

[raw notch]

duh

[tidal widget]

I don't even have that talented (I'm feral)

[tiny oar]

🤝

[tropic schooner]

thats either the button left of 1 or mousewheel up/down

[tidal widget]

I don't have that talented either

[grand mesa]

this arcane mage has been trying to gank me for 10 min now

[tropic schooner]

HOLD ON

you CLICK rip

as feral

[raw notch]

feral druid just kill me in two seconds ggs

[tropic schooner]

thats so much effort

[tidal widget]

Same with swarm, moonfire, and primal wrath

[tropic schooner]

be lazy

hotkey stuff

[tiny oar]

ok man

[tidal widget]

Too lazy to hotkey

[tiny oar]

get in voice we're overhauling ur shit rn

[tropic schooner]

especially as melee

its so bad to click

[raw notch]

rip is 1 on my mouse, and rake is shift A

[tidal widget]

I need to set up voice commands for this shit fr

[tropic schooner]

casters/healers get away a bit more easily with it

but clicking melee is miserable

[raw notch]

u kno how annoying shift a is as melee, its so shit

[tidal widget]

I main Mage

[grand mesa]

shift a?