Don't need to leave bear form to do anything
#pvp
ornate wren
clear pulsar
Don't need to leave bear form to do anything
Catweaving is a pretty good dps gain if you enjoy living like that too.
ornate wren
But that's kind of what was fun in pvp. Was constantly shifting and healing and dosing
stray sigil
but even then kind of a stretch
ornate wren
Catweaving is a pretty good dps gain if you enjoy living like that too.
Is that resto + catform?
clear pulsar
Shadow and ret paladin are prob the strongest in terms of casting friendly spells
stray sigil
its real game was prime in sl @clear pulsar real
clear pulsar
Heals and utility
clear pulsar
Is that resto + catform?
I meant catweaving as Guardian in pve, but also as resto yeah.
ornate wren
Man I was god of akama back in vanilla lol
stray sigil
i remember shittin on u
100-0 no diff
every time
its real
u werent allowed in my playground
its real
ornate wren
Me?
stray sigil
no face ofc
ornate wren
Lol alright I'm like bro I been gone 15 years
stray sigil
the way face played feral
clear pulsar
@grand mesa do you track anything for frost dks major cds?
clear pulsar
I feel like frostwyrms fury doesnt do jackshit
clear pulsar
No for dungeons rn
stray sigil
fuk u pig fuck
grand mesa
<@139195873224556545> do you track anything for frost dks major cds?
probably pillars
but
i don't see frost dks
and if i saw a fdk
grand mesa
i'd make them go unholy
stray sigil
ornate wren
Is there a way to save our keybinds to different specs?
clear pulsar
Oh maybe empower rune weapon ig
ornate wren
Like if I try out resto catweaving for pvp
stray sigil
ur bars are connected to the spec page
clear pulsar
Your action bars should be getting saved per talent loadout
stray sigil
if u change the spec page
grand mesa
i'd make them go unholy
@stray sigil
stray sigil
itll change to what u want
stray sigil
<@142673512987885568>
clear pulsar
But you can technically keybind each slot in the action bar a different way per spec too I think
Not sure
ornate wren
Very cool, thank you!
vague venture
havent tried pvp for years. are priests particularly unkillable? just watched some dude heal through 3-4 players basically only using instant heals
and if everything is instant, how are you supposed to work around it? perma stun from 100% to 0?
clear fox
havent tried pvp for years. are priests particularly unkillable? just watched so...
Dont kill the healer kill their dps
vague venture
sure but it just seems weird to me. they're supposed to be basically immortal?
clear fox
All the healers are kinda unkillable outside of cooldown windows and even then you usually need 2 people
vague venture
how did it end up like this, like what is the reason for designing it like that
fresh lake
they want healers to heal blitz 😆
clear fox
Because both shuffle and 3v3 are the premiere PvP modes and they are both 2 healer and 1 dps
vague venture
yeah lol it was in blitz i thought this was weird. some priest basically soloing a lane
clear fox
And if a solo dps could roll a healer would be rough in both of those
Idk about blitz
Just know dampening is low low
grand mesa
havent tried pvp for years. are priests particularly unkillable? just watched so...
priests have 30% DR
for just existing
when they get hit by melees
can be perma uptime
but i think all healers in like a BG setting no damp
can just tank the universe
echo jackal
How is resto druid this season? I've heard we were in a bad spot, but haven't played yet
stray sigil
not in a bad spot rn
tier set is op
when this tier is gone u will be in trouble however
echo jackal
I'd like to go for the normal mount mostly, not a high pusher
echo jackal
when this tier is gone u will be in trouble however
You have to specifically get pvp gear and catalyse it though don you?
stray sigil
spec goes from b tier to like borderline s tier
echo jackal
I don't have any pvp gear
stray sigil
You have to specifically get pvp gear and catalyse it though don you?
can buy a pvp item that puts pvp ilvl on ur pve gear
stray sigil
yes
if u buy the item thing and put it on the tier
itll work for both max ilvl in pvp and w.e ilvl u ahve for pve
echo jackal
Cool 😄 thanks for the information
clear fox
spec goes from b tier to like borderline s tier
Borderline 😂😂
random patrol
almost 2500 conquest soon tm
compact pier
you came to the party to late, is not worth let a dps die for more haeler dmg 
5 years late 
stray sigil
I NEED KEYS
random patrol
third druid almost there
got to love the load lag creating flying boomies @late wraith
livid wasp
yeah lol it was in blitz i thought this was weird. some priest basically soloing...
priest is op as fuck, they are even a viable fc
random patrol
ambulance colored mount for getting 2400 in a bracket as a healer
vague venture
priest is op as fuck, they are even a viable fc
yeah i uninstalled :--D I was just playing SOD and thought i'd check how retail (and its pvp) was. just reminded me why I go to more dedicated/proper pvp games for that fix. Wasn't mainly due to the healer thing though, just generally frustrating and i prefer to have more agency, and blizzard isn't exactly known for being good at balancing
livid wasp
too bad other pvp games are boring
and their goals feel meaningless
wish blizz put more into pvp, they have a unique thing on their hands
vague venture
i really liked deadlock. dota community etc. is pretty toxic, but balancing +120 heroes, 150 items, earlygame, midgame, lategame etc is an insane task and they perform it pretty well
livid wasp
I just like the fact you have a character in an mmo on which you do stuff and you can see your rewards in the form of mounts and titles and shit
vague venture
yeah I totally see that
livid wasp
you dont get that in other games
you just queue up in a client into a lobby
not worth the emotional turmoil
vague venture
it's difficult to create that sense of RPG progression and permanence and still be a really great pvp game
and most MMOs just don't really run well imo. they all feel clunky if you're used to wow
livid wasp
they dont
livid wasp
@tulip falcon how the fuck do you climb at 1.8-2k mmr
2 losses in a row
people are clueless
horrible
im freaking losing rating at 1.8k rating
tropic schooner
another day another breakdown
livid wasp
how am I supposed to carry, I cant kill many other people at minecart when other offcarters dont come
how can I help the fact our fc is a rdruid who dies instantly
and enemy team gets a mw fc
why is it so unfair towards me
and my team consists of people who for example use paralysis to get all of my dots including ff off the enemy fc
livid wasp
plus mage afking after enemy caps one flag
vocal geyser
do bgb no longer pop ? been away for 2 weeks and I'm sitting in queue since this morning
tulip falcon
how did it end up like this, like what is the reason for designing it like that
Years spent balancing healers around dampening
Dampening is one of the worst things to happen to pvp imo, at least once it became extreme
a lazy "solution"
tropic schooner
a lazy "solution"
think kinda debateable other options would be essentially unhealable dmg
or rng wins
tulip falcon
i mean before dampening it was just healers running out of mana
tropic schooner
not really no
tbc it was mostly rng
as in stun resists mostly
wotlk usually it was unhealable dmg being done with random crits, especially later on healers didnt really go oom at all
havent really played other cata seasons but currently playing and id also argue its mostly unhealable dmg things like firemage combusts/pve trinket proccs etc but I guess to some extend healers can go oom more
not saying its necessarly wrong to have that/random kills but I feel like a lot of people would get annoyed by those solutions too
tulip falcon
yeah i started pvping mid cata, there were of course some stupid things like that but mana management was important and it was before they consolidated a lot of the cc categories
and dampening came in like mid or late mop?
tropic schooner
huh?
tulip falcon
after experimenting with other things
tulip falcon
in WoD they changed a bunch of categories
like a lot of CCs had their own categories and didn't DR with each other before that
tropic schooner
seeing the wiki about it rn but feels quite disingenius because they did that already beforehand
things like CS kidney are on same dr in cata
but not before
tulip falcon
is this cata classic?
tropic schooner
both
tulip falcon
yeah, I mean CS and kidney always were but this is the list apparently
tropic schooner
yeah, I mean CS and kidney always were but this is the list apparently
no?
they werent always
tropic schooner
can see that opinion even tho I dont fully share it
tulip falcon
was mop when they added dispel cooldown as well?
tulip falcon
yeah, i'm just trying to think back to how it was before dampening became necessary
i think it was fine initially since it ramped up quite slowly
tropic schooner
I dont think that reality ever really existed
especially in 2s
famously you had games lasting several hours in tbc
and timed out 45 min matches in wotlk
tulip falcon
oh yeah i mean games would last much longer
tropic schooner
or end in a tie
tulip falcon
i know that's what was happening before they implemented dampening in its original form and why they played around with other mechanics
"crowd chooses you"
the fact they did that based on health value instead of perecentage was hilarious
tropic schooner
yea think dampening is a fine solution imo only other I can see is a lot more rng
or a lot shorter gametime with some tie decider but not sure I like that one
tulip falcon
yeah, i mean perhaps my issue with it is just that it ramps up way too quickly
tulip falcon
or a lot shorter gametime with some tie decider but not sure I like that one
yeah "crowd chooses you" was supposed to be that tie decider
but it was so bad
didn't last long
tropic schooner
was that wod? dont think I played with it
tulip falcon
nah it was in mop, dampening replaced it
tulip falcon
basically at 15 minutes, the team who got an enemy to the lowest health would get a gigabuff that made them super tanky and do stupid damage
tulip falcon
but they fucked up on one major part by doing it based on health value rather than percentage
so ppl would do blood dk 2s and win by default
tropic schooner
sounds fun
tulip falcon
yeah i mean everyone praises mop but it was really only the last two seasons that were good
the first two were a mess
tropic schooner
btw not really trolling with it I like gimmicky weird specs i pvp
I think they are usually fun
(for a bit)
tulip falcon
ngl i had fun when i last played in shadowlands with the whole uhh
guardian druid balance affinity and the cc immunity legendary
that was so funny
clear pulsar
you came to the party to late, is not worth let a dps die for more haeler dmg <:...
Ok calm down, nobody does that, u literally never played with me
clear fox
ambulance colored mount for getting 2400 in a bracket as a healer
GIVE ME AMULCOPTER
WE OH WEE OHH
Fire up the siren in the waiting room
late wraith
Special mount and a little nurse mog it’d be over everyone would queue healer
wintry jackal
Dang nurse mog reminds me of wildstar medics
Such a good game
I am technically gen z but millennials are cooler
stray sigil
Dang nurse mog reminds me of wildstar medics
livid wasp
https://www.twitch.tv/mllnmfalcon he wears the high warlord so proudly
in his stream title and on his character
tropic schooner
^
grand mesa
Be proud of your achievements
Based
tulip falcon
<@200644871592083457> you quing now? seems short
nop
tropic schooner
they dont
livid wasp
3 losses in a row
so nice
definitely 50-50
why cant I bet put in a winning team
ever
velvet quest
7 more and ull make my day i believe in u
livid wasp
wtf is this game design
tropic schooner
7 more and ull make my day i believe in u
we can only hope
livid wasp
I would only be happy
if I won games
why cant the world give me that
it would be the only thing that would make me happy but I cant even get that
its so unfair
livid wasp
one blitz, 6 frost mages
livid wasp
fucking bullshit game
fucking 1-4
why cant I win at least 50-50
why is it so unfair
I dont get it
why me
velvet quest
Resetting the counter, need 9 more losses in a row now. You’re winning too many games
harsh ore
I feel you man
I really do
I’m just a more powerful version of you. My power? Not playing PvP
I can’t keep shaving off years from my life stressing in pvp
tropic schooner
Resetting the counter, need 9 more losses in a row now. You’re winning too many ...
it just keeps going
I cant believe zechey isnt some insanly over the top character
clear pulsar
There's a zechey in every class discord pvp channel, occasionally
late wraith
i would defend ours to the death over the others. all the other zecheys are bullshit
ours is the true zechey
clear pulsar
Hunter pvp channel had some of the most delusional whiney people of all time at some point
late wraith
face how do i feel about the guardian nerfs
am i a full time catweaver now or naw
i was gonna ask in bear chat but i'm just asking you
clear pulsar
I try to play DOTC so much
late wraith
i fuckin love being a liddle cat
late wraith
i ahve been doing ec build as we try to do higher keys cause yeah
ec needs no attention at all it feels
i can just do my little things and i have huge health and all the self healing in the world
tiny oar
But it feels like I just need so much healer attention
I'll keep you safe bestie
clear pulsar
But I wanna be strong and independent 
late wraith
but my healer also thinks it's fun when i catweave so maybe i am just allowed to now
velvet quest
i would defend ours to the death over the others. all the other zecheys are bull...
This is true we have the best zechey of them all
late wraith
we are allowed to assault our zechey but if someone tries to claim his throne it is over they're dead
tiny oar
true
tropic schooner
There's a zechey in every class discord pvp channel, occasionally
occasionally for sure but the same whiny guy for years and they arent even bad?
that must be a unique situation
random patrol
https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-class-tuning-incoming-april-15th-376332 no my janky not actually good starfall build nooooooo
"stil will run it anyway"
cause starfall build in arena is fucking fun
livid wasp
no mage nerfs
tulip falcon
glad both priest heal specs got a buff they were really weak!
wanton ridge
is it really a buff for oracle tho, shields should be much weaker
minor tartan
lol big high warlord
finite bay
So is that a 6% overall buff to Starsurge then?
random patrol
beat fully geared people in skirms while wearing this stuff: forget how random skirms get
random patrol
keep qing into the same blood dk on my undergear chicken I just kill him behind pillar
random patrol
@tiny oar Im insane but uh third druid is done now
not something to be proud of but what's done is done
minor tartan
xd
tropic schooner
glad both priest heal specs got a buff they were really weak!
disc got (very slightly) nerfed
tropic schooner
at least if you look at murlok no
tulip falcon
Oh yea thought the nerf part of atonement said it doesn't apply to pvp but must of misread
tropic schooner
yea and the 32 -> 28 and 100 -> 125 is tiny bit less
iirc it was something like 1% less healing from atonement
which is essentially nothing but technically a nerf
livid wasp
I am a grown adult I will not get angry at a video game
late wraith
yooo is this growth?
late wraith
that's old bb
i'd argue you're already too old to get mad at wow but then i'd have to self reflect and that would ruin my weekend
livid wasp
clear pulsar
i'd argue you're already too old to get mad at wow but then i'd have to self ref...
Nope self reflection is for weirdos
late wraith
true i'm too old for that what am i even going to do with that info, change?
livid wasp
I simply dont believe in the 50-50 theory I find it absurd
tame cedar
as resto druid in solo shuffle, should I focus on dealing any damage or some bursts? or should I only heal and cc?
(2,4k dps main, trying to get into healing)
livid wasp
losing cause of a russian who doesnt probably know english cause he doesnt react to shit said to him on the bg chat
stray sigil
i'd argue you're already too old to get mad at wow but then i'd have to self ref...
ur 30 years older and u get mad
GRANDMA
late wraith
it's crazy how at your age you're still this bad at reading
i need to enroll you in a program
stray sigil
late wraith
we need to frontload sentences with the main bulletpoints for fuji's dull little mind
grand mesa
nah he selectively reads then
and picks out random words or phrases then latches onto that for like 2 hours
i stopped arguing with him i just x out
stray sigil
late wraith
[fuji we can run keys] i got the resilient thing now so we can drag him through things
this is how i'll format it
stray sigil
fake news
late wraith
he just has to read the brackets
late wraith
unreal behavior
stray sigil
tropic schooner
im 11-13
We all know how far away that is from 50%
Basically not the same universe
livid wasp
2-6 is so far from 50-50
2-7
11-15 weekly now
you saying that is far from 50%?
close to I mean
2-8
absolutely fucking ridiculous and unfair
why cant it be something like 4-4
5-5 I mean
why 2-8
what the fuck
how do I deserve this
what the fuck
explain
wintry jackal
Maybe time for a break
Is that your dog zechey take him to a park or something lol
livid wasp
im droppng mmr so hard
for no reason
I have 0 faith in winning
how is this gamemode any fair
I started with 3000 mmr
cause of bullshit bad teams I am now down to 2.7k
livid wasp
I literally lost to stupid shit like warrior not looking around himself
no
and hunter leaving ret alone when he knows there is inc, letting them cap dr
at least 3 losses are complete bullshit
and one game was total faceroll by them, our team didnt get a single kill
how are any of these my fault
how could have I carried them to win
late wraith
I like resi
it's really good yeah. just overtimed a priory with some alts and a pug and it's fine we go next on the 12 rookery
grand mesa
Yup
late wraith
good for trying new tech and stuff too i feel? like wanna try a stupid pull or meld skip or whatever can see if i can even do it on the 12
i am yet to do a meld skip and i'm afraid and everytime it comes up i get upset
grand mesa
The bubbles one prob worth learning
late wraith
face and dru both said they don't think guardian can do it
and that we likely get mayo to do it on havoc?
maybe i ask in the guardian channel but i'm afraid
late wraith
ok i asked in there. face said he thought someone else in the group would do it when on bear and i'd just pull into the next pack? but i need to see an example of this like i want to watch someone do it because the way everyone explains it makes no damn sense to me
grand mesa
See if u can find a squishvegan vod
late wraith
his healer does it
late wraith
mistweaver
late wraith
face had one to show me let me see if he still has it
grand mesa
Cause if I can skip bubbles myself now that I’m NE I’m fucking doing it
Fuck bubbles
We hate bubbles
@wanton ridge
True or true
late wraith
@clear pulsar do you still have the squishvegan bubbles meld skip vod
grand mesa
Btw oxez I saw your oracle slander either on twitter or reddit. Dont think that didn’t go unnoticed
grand mesa
late wraith
mw can port? i think is the thing? and vdh has good kiting? that's how i understood it anyways but i'm using the term understood very loosely here
late wraith
doing wat
grand mesa
I need you to clear a normal floodgate for me
Up until the first blood warper
So I can practice that stupid skip
late wraith
just like an m0 floodgate?
late wraith
oh like a fully normal floodgate yeah sure
grand mesa
where u click the box without aggroing the first blood warper
late wraith
omg yes
late wraith
bloodwarper gotta be a fuckin nightmare on 14
late wraith
we can try a bubbles meld skip lol see if we can get you to do it on your priest
what if i mudman trinket, elf form, elf wild charge to a team mate, meld. does that work?
grand mesa
Tbh I don’t even know what the skip looks like
I just heard it was tank and needed meld (which meant Vdh and I predominantly play with a bdk)
late wraith
me neither and it makes me mad everytime it comes up
grand mesa
And my brain turned off wrt it
wanton ridge
<@209083827765641217>
yeah fuck bubbles
i have not skipped it yet, but looking into it for the 15 i wanna do
the funniest thing is last boss rookery
turns out you can just dodge the tank buster by... running
takes 2 steps lol
late wraith
wtf if oxez doesn't know it how can i know it
i heard the tank buster skip on rookery is it the wave that comes out? you just run from the little graphic?
wanton ridge
Yeah
late wraith
the little slow moving grey shape
wanton ridge
when the cast goes off you see the big purple wave, just run to the side (its easier if you move away from boss, melee range is big)
late wraith
i'm doing the in the corner thing so i can just move along the ledge towards middle
wanton ridge
the 15% movement speed from class tree prob helps, but it works
late wraith
as long as no stinky dps drop puddles on my tanking ledge
wanton ridge
ye lol
wanton ridge
i have mostly dps'd this season so far (feral is good atm), but i think my tanking days are starting again soon
got a bombsuit from gallywix heroic sooooo
That thing with lunar beam and my mastery from gear is a 17m shield lol
late wraith
holy. i am a mudman trinket enjoyer. i had tome and pacemaker
but the pacemaker was hero tier and the other 2 are myth
so i'm a mudman
wanton ridge
Ya I been using mud til now, its good at what it does
stray sigil
ur a mudpig
wanton ridge
biggest advantage imo of bombsuit (besiodes the dmg) is that it's 1:30 cd flat
instead of 2min + variance from mud
late wraith
that's nice
we're just on gallywix now so i'll take it if it drops. you think hero tier better than myth mudman?
wanton ridge
been playing classic hardcore lately, idk why, but i got sucked into it and enjoying the danger lol.
wanton ridge
we're just on gallywix now so i'll take it if it drops. you think hero tier bett...
Not sure, I'd test both prob
late wraith
nice ty oxez
i dunno why i ever bother trying to ask in guardian i just tag you in here
wanton ridge
I like bear got randomly nerfed because of boomie nerfs yesterday, real nice real nice
late wraith
get all my pve questions answered in pvp channel
wanton ridge
all good lol, theres sometimes questionable things happening in guardian
livid wasp
why is the game like this
grand mesa
i have mostly dps'd this season so far (feral is good atm), but i think my tanki...
Tank?
livid wasp
maybe its time to stop once I get strategist
no point playing more apart from R1
only people like krassz can get it
cerulean condor
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livid wasp
what about it?
cerulean condor
tilter spell remove it
tropic schooner
who are you even talking to
probably zechey
random patrol
clone is strong yes but often times people can't even use it right
talking to "you" resto druids in shuffle
kind of want to eat a tree now but since that i prob disgusting I shall settle for some broccoli
tiny oar
wtf...
velvet quest
tilter spell remove it
first remove gladiatorlossa
forest kite
do you guys use efflorescence in arena and stuff?
minor tartan
solo que saved this game
winter pollen
wildstalker or grove guardian for blitz rdruid?
winter pollen
do you guys use efflorescence in arena and stuff?
no, dead spell. But it turns into the tree aoe heal so I guess it has some use? lol
late wraith
solo que saved this game
ok
random patrol
I don't know about saving the game but it def fun for me and saves me time having to form a comp
only comp I have that I can push with is ret boomy disc so Ill just keep doing shuffle
random patrol
speaking of ret boomy go go 1 am skirm weekly qs with ret friend
also kind of feel like I prob dont need hotw as chicken Idk never feels great to press/feels needed
livid wasp
warrior is so fucking broken atm
two lobbies in a row one goes 6-0
just insane damage out of nowhere
cold bolt
You buy vicious bloodstone with honour, honour isn’t season capped so you can infinitely farm it
Yeah, max 15k. Conquest you can only earn a certain amount per week but the cap increases per week so you can catch up
Mainly rated, you get small amounts from your first bg win per day and the war mode PvP chests
Just get stuck in, everyone sucked when they were first learning
cold bolt
I believe so, arena skirmish weekly you have to do skirmishes though, normal arenas won’t count
river solstice
double mage lobby
Did u win
wintry jackal
Glitch in the matrix
livid wasp
I just started evning blitzes
its so nice to lose then you know next game you might just lose again just as badly
and then you lose and you end up losing 4 in a row or something
one night I had 4-1
was like the best night of my life
fucking 0-2
cause of a warrior who doesnt listen
I dont deserve these shit teams
tropic schooner
I just started evning blitzes
shoulda stopped after dominating those mages
btw having weird matches, yesterday we met avizura in 3s, at 2k mmr in cata
livid wasp
dunno who that is
tropic schooner
some dude with like 20 r1 titles on rogue
tropic schooner
correct no one in the world has that
livid wasp
ive looked at other ferals above 2.4k in blitz
worst one has 47%
then theres me
3% might not sound a lot but it is
so bullshit and like the games I lost now there was nothing I could do better
tropic schooner
absolutely not
livid wasp
I was capping and spinning the top bases fine
livid wasp
but we have a warrior who doesnt come top he does whatever he wants doesnt follow instructions
and in twin peaks our team doing no damage
of course I make mistakes
but its not like I brought the whole team down causing us to lose
tropic schooner
your mistakes can and absolutely WILL lose games?
thinking anything else is fucking delusional
and that isnt even about you that is true for any single player in the world
even the worlds best players have made gamelosing mistakes, in any serious competition
livid wasp
I didnt do any mistakes that wouldve cost us the game
tropic schooner
in over 50 games? I highly doubt that
livid wasp
but not so bad I wouldve gone so fucking badly negative
most of the losses are team being bullshit
livid wasp
third game oh nice surely thsi wont be a loss again
tropic schooner
@velvet quest start of the 10 game loss streak
velvet quest
holy shit i was here!!
tropic schooner
velvet quest
where were u the day zechey lost 10 bgb games in a row and crashed out
livid wasp
its fucked cause yesterday I started with 50-50
now its so fucked up
fucking went 3-9
and now its irreversably fucked
livid wasp
so sad
wish I could make it so others dont see it
kinda embarrassing
should only show rating not stats like that
forest kite
even the worlds best players have made gamelosing mistakes, in any serious compe...
nope! not me. never made a mistake. I'm just built different
tropic schooner
fair
forest kite
its fucked cause yesterday I started with 50-50
im a STAUNCH advocate of removing w/l ratio at least from player profiles
the point of these stupid games is to improve
tropic schooner
just gotta educate the masses
forest kite
sure I suck ass when learning a new class
tropic schooner
how useless of a metric w/l is
forest kite
im gonna be negative af
yeah but you get kicked/rejected from groups
all day
and it also is used against you
bullying tool
etc
tropic schooner
ppl would find any reason at all to do it tbh
livid wasp
why are people trolling me
forest kite
best part is its when im on my healer
livid wasp
fucking dropping flag to fc just for enemy to return it
velvet quest
Winrate basically is irrelevant except for placement games and r1 players, for anyone else it just means you haven’t played enough if your winrate is much higher than 50%
tropic schooner
even for placements it doesnt REALLY matter
like sure if you get unlucky and lose more then you are "supposed" to its a bit annoying and takes some time to get up
but on the bright side it makes your winrate look pretty so zechey is happy
actual life hack zechey should go leave his placement matches
livid wasp
so fucking bullshit
1-3 cause of idiots
why do I get targeted
its so fucking unfair
people dont target fc to see he is on the roof
they run into the flagroom
like ????
and I am to blame
yeah
I cause these losses
I am the reason
sure
I am the reason
I am negative w-l
I am the reason
yeah sure
yeah blame me
I am the reason
yeaqh sure
my fault
biggest bulshit ever
and nobody of course believes me
livid wasp
blizzard trolling me
grand mesa
Only person in all these games is u
livid wasp
these teams are fucking trolling
tropic schooner
right you are such an important person
livid wasp
apparently I am
tropic schooner
that daddy blizzard is targeting you?
tropic schooner
apparently I am
no you are not
livid wasp
nothign else explains this shit
tropic schooner
no one cares about your rating/win rate besides yourself
tropic schooner
nothign else explains this shit
there is? as you said its on you
you are the reason you have a certain winrate/rating, you arent always the reason a game has a certain outcome
livid wasp
I cant be so fucking unlucky that I lose more than win every session
tropic schooner
correct
livid wasp
its so fucking bullshit
tropic schooner
its not being unlucky
livid wasp
I am not causing these losses
tropic schooner
you are
livid wasp
no im not
ITS NOT MY FAULT THE FC CANT LIVE WITH THE PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO HIM
HE SUCKS ASS
I AM ON THE EFC KILLING TEAM WE DONT EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO KILL HIM BEFORE OURS DIES
chrome panther
idk bro im pretty bad at the game and have a positive w/l on my warrior
just zug harder
grand mesa
I think a better way to look at it is that everyone gets trolled by teammates it’ll be in their W-L too. But you aren’t over performing other situations and averaging it out at this MMR
chrome panther
or respec boomie and press starsurge 16 times in 1 person
tropic schooner
ITS NOT MY FAULT THE FC CANT LIVE WITH THE PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO HIM
correct
but you think about individual games
you wont be the reason you lose each individual game
you will be the reason for some of those losses but not all
chrome panther
you cant really as any spec besides maybe healer.
tropic schooner
clearly you arent doing it better then your opponents
tropic schooner
if you would do it better you would win more
tulip falcon
feral can carry quite a few maps
livid wasp
you cant
chrome panther
what maps
tropic schooner
its also irrelevant how well you can carry, if you arent significantly better then the other players
chrome panther
unless ur talking fc
livid wasp
watch my stream tell me what I do so wrong that I lose
tulip falcon
i found silvershard, kotmogu, wsg/tp and gilneas to generally be carryable
some maps are hopeless like AB
tropic schooner
each game the same amount of dps wins so it doesnt even matter if you have more or less impact compared to healers for example
obviously as a dps you have SOME impact, so if you consistantly lose more then you win you will be performing worse then the average dps in that current rating, not saying that thats true for you because I dont think you have particularly relevant sample size or you have a winrate particularly out of the ordinary
tulip falcon
obviously as a dps you have SOME impact, so if you consistantly lose more then y...
it depends what you're doing, you can definitely have a massive impact as a dps
most maps aren't decided by a teamfight
tropic schooner
it depends what you're doing, you can definitely have a massive impact as a dps
I was not arguing for or against that
tulip falcon
if you're constantly able to get objectives then that's how you carry
tropic schooner
just arguing that for the overall winrate that doesnt matter - overall winrate being above or below 50 that is
tulip falcon
oh right
livid wasp
my w-l just keeps getting worse
tropic schooner
my w-l just keeps getting worse
btw im very sure you are losing a lot more due to tilt too
tropic schooner
for the longest time I believed that tilt barely affected me, but I somewhat realized recently that that is not true at all and I just keep tilt queuing
livid wasp
every game is like this
livid wasp
no
livid wasp
youre just wrong
tropic schooner
im not
livid wasp
you are
tropic schooner
nope
the literal only other explanation is that you personally are targeted
and thats just an absolutely idiotic idea
so its not an explanation
livid wasp
it has to be the case
tulip falcon
why wouldn't it
chrome panther
half the reason boomie feels so good is the30yd clones and absurd cast speed
idk zechey wasn't cloning at all 
every feral ive played against in bgb just falls over every team fight or has to perma sit bear and do 0 dam
livid wasp
nobody was in the team fight it was lost anyway fucking team spread all over the map
tulip falcon
every feral ive played against in bgb just falls over every team fight or has to...
i would top dmg pretty regularly in tf maps
not so much after the rip nerf but still usually high
chrome panther
ok but is it real damage
i can que boomie and press starfall and get top damage
doesnt mean that damage is real
tulip falcon
well the difference is padding by spreading rips around with primal wrath is how you also get more "real" damage
since you get more apex procs for free FBs
im not just running around ripping and raking everyone
usually have rip on a few ppl from primal wrath then find something to sit on
be annoying with stuns and clones on healers etc
stray sigil
i can que boomie and press starfall and get top damage
if u pw u spread aoe ms though
on feral vs nothing at all on boomy
forest kite
Winrate basically is irrelevant except for placement games and r1 players, for a...
its a stat that is only used to make people feel like shit/get bullied or have people with fake egos feel good that they just won 20 in a row against 1600 teams
stray sigil
its a stat that is only used to make people feel like shit/get bullied or have p...
they just like me fr
forest kite
😭
tulip falcon
ive never really known anyone to care about winrate
unless its like extreme
fk i gotta queue tonight i dropped to #4 😢
livid wasp
first easy win in like 50 games or something
every fucking win usually is a complete struggle and winning by 10 points
and when I lose its an epic loss
so fucking tilting
why cant I get like a 10 win streak
like other people get
its so unfair
even winning 2 in a row
unbelievable
how do people do that
tropic schooner
they buy tkoens
livid wasp
maybe im targetted cause I didnt buy epic version
or the mount
im a shitty customer only buying 6 month sub packs
tulip falcon
yeah needs to look like this
tropic schooner
at least idd
livid wasp
most likely
so cancer I have no idea what the result of this game is
most likely a loss so depressing
I wana try to win but it feels so useless trying
team throwing again
wtf
these guys on offcarts wit me are useless
how the hell do I fix my w-l
livid wasp
dont think so
livid wasp
ill just be worse
vestal citrus
nah no way
boomy is god tier
when u can cross cc all healers forever by yourself
u just fuck around and take games over bro
lock in
livid wasp
would probably have the same shit ass w-l
tiny oar
who cares abt w-l man
this aint tbc egoing
ur not fucking petkick qing on 10 different dinoe alts for placement games
just fucking QUEUE
stray sigil
ur not fucking petkick qing on 10 different dinoe alts for placement games
have u ever seen petkick and zechey in the same room?
tiny oar
have u ever seen petkick and zechey in the same room?
TRUEEE
forest kite
so u guys said efflorescene not used in arena? should I take it off my bars?
tiny oar
so u guys said efflorescene not used in arena? should I take it off my bars?
couple use cases imo but its p rare yea
tiny oar
what about um
id play it into a rot spellcleave if i was also wizard and one of my homies was just pillaring w me all game, probably also against a lock in 2s where they constantly dot the second im off pillar to heal mate
hushed wasp
what is the top feral pvp build right now?
tulip falcon
its ok ive queued tonight and lost 3 in a row
livid wasp
like I can play as much as I can but I migt never get it fixed
tulip falcon
proof for you
livid wasp
but you win 5 in a row next session
tropic schooner
vestal citrus
have u ever seen petkick and zechey in the same room?
prolly the same beliefs
zechey probs has the highest power level here
out of anyone
livid wasp
6 more wins in a row for me to be 50-50
can I get them tomorrow
like sure I was 3k when it was inflated a bit
but im around the same rank feral as last season
livid wasp
2622
livid wasp
its pretty fucking bad nobody has that bad
velvet quest
everyone who played 1 bg blitz and lost and never queued again has a worse winrate
livid wasp
@tulip falcon stream some gamse I wanna see how to win as feral
vestal citrus
what you even playing for
tulip falcon
i get stage fright and play shit if i stream
hushed wasp
any good feral pvp builds?
tulip falcon
any good feral pvp builds?
livid wasp
i get stage fright and play shit if i stream
bs
livid wasp
you should watch my AB game I fucked up around so badly around probably
im so unsure how to play that
stray sigil
top 10
why do u care about top 10
iuf ur not going for rank1 down the road
or are u
livid wasp
I have a job I cant
hushed wasp
ty krassz
tulip falcon
i had a job last i checked
livid wasp
yeah a job whhere you queue at work
stray sigil
I have a job I cant
then why do u care
being 2401 or 2900 doesnt matter then does it
tulip falcon
thats the fucked thing about it being so inflated
livid wasp
having a higher number is nice
tulip falcon
if i didnt care for going for r1 i would've stopped at elite
livid wasp
theres strategist tho
livid wasp
achi is an achi
chrome panther
lady/lord of war only good title
tulip falcon
Highmaul arena was so good
chrome panther
did it as resto and just dotted everyone then ran 
tulip falcon
i won't ever forgot how i did it
some guy messaged me before gates opened like "me and this guy are together do you want to team up" so i said sure
i sat in the back in stealth doing nothing and held cds
them 2 ended up being together as the last 2 + me
forest kite
wait u guys never use disentanglement pvp talent?
tulip falcon
we rolled for it and i lost the roll
so i 1v2ed both of them cos i was feral and it was wod
and i had cds
took it
tulip falcon
they weren't even mad either surprisingly they were like gg lmao
i don't know how they could be if they wanted to scum by teaming anyway
thats why i didnt feel bad
chrome panther
i remember gladiator stance warrior a bit
easiest 2s climb of my life playing rdru/glad war
random patrol
tony the tiger feral
tulip falcon
bloodtalons wod users rise up
chrome panther
shield slam dispelling
tulip falcon
theres no way
im just waiting for BFA classic!!
or or shadowlands classic+
the + is more torghast layers and maw dailies
random patrol
at this point classic is just repeat of wow
livid wasp
shouldve stopped at wotlk with the classics
random patrol
classic felt pointless after wrath
livid wasp
old wow ended at wotlk
tulip falcon
yea when i think of "classic era" i think up to wotlk
random patrol
at this point just end new servers at wrath
the fresh ones prob
I know the fresh servers are going to tbc at some point
livid wasp
krassz in the team fight in bfg
tulip falcon
they should just set out a timeline where it wipes at the end of wrath and repeats from the start of vanilla again
ppl love that shit
livid wasp
do you mostly find it better going for healers or dps
tulip falcon
dps usually but depends
livid wasp
like I just try to go for the big damage dealers and cc chain on the healers but people like to go healers
tulip falcon
healers are too livelord without the insane dampening
livid wasp
I had a dk on my team he didnt grip destro lock inside once
he was just casting shit topping dmg in the background
vestal citrus
going healer only works to a point
livid wasp
maybe if its a MW or resto druid, they are good targets
tulip falcon
if i see ppl on a healer and its low or w/e ill swap to it
vestal citrus
and then its like
tulip falcon
yea if its an rsham for example ill bully them
vestal citrus
if you're trying to go healer and it's 2v1 on your teammate you're just harming things
tulip falcon
but disc feels pointless unless everyone else is on it
vestal citrus
ya rsham a good candidate to run down
livid wasp
going boomy is so important too to prevent clones
tulip falcon
u can have an idea of what you should do before the teamfight but a lot of the time it will just play out differently anyway
vestal citrus
thats why i say you should play boomy zechey
bc if you can livelord and clone like crazy while doing big pad dmg
you legit just win games on that alone
livid wasp
but I like feral
tulip falcon
i had no idea what i was doing as boomie at start of season and still went to 3k mmr
vestal citrus
you like feral more than you like winning?
tulip falcon
if u stick to teamfights as boomie its easy as fuck
i just struggled with the smaller 2v2s and 1v1s etc thats why i went back to feral
livid wasp
I like those more
tulip falcon
i mean its good in those but i just sucked at it
forest kite
do you guys use renewal as resto?
vestal citrus
skirmish engagements can be pretty rough
as boomy
kinda need a healer or ability to get a lot of distance
tulip falcon
its just ranged i suck at playing
vestal citrus
i played ranged for years and then swapped to melee
unga bunga a lot chiller
tbh less you can do bc you just w hold but
random patrol
melee with ranged abillities are the best of both worlds really
livid wasp
stream the game
tulip falcon
what game
livid wasp
the game that pops soon
livid wasp
what mmr
tulip falcon
3.1k
tulip falcon
somehow lost with avidance and aviwings on my team
with their 3.3 cr and 75% win/loss
livid wasp
how
tulip falcon
how what