pvp

[late wraith]

so you'd get these x's from certain angles

where the cards are just stuck into each other at 90 degress

they don't do that anymore

[grand mesa]

show me a before and after lol cause idk what good vs. bad looks like

[clear pulsar]

It was a good idea to do that

[late wraith]

okay yeah

[clear pulsar]

Cuz it worked fine

[late wraith]

it was a good idea

it looked great for the time

but when you compare it to a bastion tree

they have come miles

with almost the same tech

[clear pulsar]

Bastion aesthetic yucky tho

Terokkar forest kinda vibey

[grand mesa]

love me terrokar

[late wraith]

i have to go to bastion just a second

[grand mesa]

ya cause u keep on sending the same perfectly ok looking trees expecting me to have an epiphany and being like wow yeah i see these intersectiung cards how offensive

before anda fter may help lol

[late wraith]

yeah okay

gimme a second

they use more cards and they layer them really nicely

so it looks good from all angles

[clear pulsar]

But that tree looks like a mop

[grand mesa]

aren't these just diff types of leaves

that tree looks like it can fly

[late wraith]

jesus christ hang on

[clear pulsar]

Like the technical execution of it is more complex great love it

But this tree is lame

[grand mesa]

it looks kinda pastely

[late wraith]

it's not the colors

it's the fucking tech

single card

dupolicated and stuck into each other at 90 degree angle

[grand mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

idk how u notice that

[late wraith]

a few different cards also duplicated and layered to look more natural

[late wraith]

the whole tree is made of them

you can see all the x's

it's easier to see on ground foliage

[clear pulsar]

I feel like the new foliage like these little guys have plenty of noticeable angles where the cards are aligned with your screen and you notice the effect all the same

[late wraith]

yeah that's why i said you can see them on ground foliage better

all games do this this isn't some unique thing, but over time we developed tech and figured out how to make it look less obvious but stay optimized

it's impressive to me that they did it in wow, same engine, same foundation tech for the past 20 years. like that's cool to me. the old stuff worked, the new stuff shows how far they've come

[clear pulsar]

But you sounded outraged

[late wraith]

i'm not outraged? huh?

[clear pulsar]

And you called the poor tree ugly

[late wraith]

the tree is ugly

you got mad that i callked the tree ugly but it is

it's a mess, respectfully.

[grand mesa]

rate tree

[chrome panther]

[late wraith]

they'd do it much better today

[chrome panther]

Fly over unguro Crater for some peak tree design

[clear pulsar]

I got mad at the idea that the tree is ugly cuz you cant see the leaves perpendicular to your pov

[late wraith]

is my rating

[clear pulsar]

Which is crazy cuz the bastion tree you linked is hideous

[late wraith]

bastion tree is pretty and impressive

i am impressed by the bastion tree

and the pampas grass

[clear pulsar]

The grass is pretty

[late wraith]

they do something with that foliage where it has like an alpha or something over it that makes it look like it gets whispy on the end. i dunno how they do that but it's neat and makes it look soft when it's also just a couple cards.

and then just their ground decals have gotten so nice. they get all these overlapping textures and materials where it used to be one tiled texture ends abruptly and the next one begins.

[grand mesa]

what a fancy way to say it looks pastelly

[late wraith]

i'm not saying it looks pastelly

i'm saying it looks like it gets soft at the end

like the edges fade

[grand mesa]

that looks pastelly

[late wraith]

i'm not talking about the color

my first mistake

was talking about anything art related in here

[grand mesa]

i think we're talking about the same thing

it's pastelly

[late wraith]

no we aren't

if you touched that

like with your hand

[grand mesa]

like looks faded and pastelly

at the edges

[late wraith]

would you say it feels pastel?

or would you say it feels soft

[grand mesa]

this looks pastelly

same as the edges of the leaves

[late wraith]

okay we are talking about the same thing

[grand mesa]

[late wraith]

it's just confusing cause the color of the bastion tree is what i'd call pastelly lol

[tiny oar]

bastion so pretty I love it so much

ardenweald too but I'm a sucker for anything druid related

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

Puzzle just rly likes that word

The other day he said my hunter gameplay was pastelly

[late wraith]

wait did he really lol

[clear pulsar]

No ofc not

[late wraith]

my first mistake

was posting

[clear pulsar]

HAHA

I love you all so much

[late wraith]

love u too bb

[clear pulsar]

@grand mesa liddle pastelly idiot

[late wraith]

i'm charmed by puzzle calling soft things pastel lol

[clear pulsar]

I'm roleplaying unitedstatians frr

[tiny oar]

me when I type anything in here

[grand mesa]

face's game play is def pastelly. whimsical amorphous not clear on direction and charmin soft

[late wraith]

so you'd wipe your ass with face's gameplay? what is fuji's? rocks and sticks?

[tiny oar]

😂

[grand mesa]

the finest of sandpaper

[clear pulsar]

What the hell did you say

[stray sigil]

she said ur shit

and i rock

[clear pulsar]

[tiny oar]

[late wraith]

don't worry i said he'd be like wiping your ass with rocks he just doesn't read very good

we accept this about him

and love him all the same

[tiny oar]

c:

[grand mesa]

:c

[random patrol]

win trading in solo they had 2 glads and a guy with no gear on

dat or the warrior was tanking on purpose Idk

[stray sigil]

[livid wasp]

is it the play to spend all my gold on bloodstones at the end of season and sell at the start of new

[clear pulsar]

Nobody knows yet

If there'll be a new gem to use or not

But I reckon there won't be

So it might be agood investment

[high tundra]

how do you even wintrade solo

can you queue as a group?

[tardy hare]

Queue at same time

If it pops at same time for both accept

Else decline and go again

[livid wasp]

weird, would think we'd know at this point

[grand mesa]

People with multiple accounts can also queue and queue into themselves

[tiny oar]

@ pykan

[high tundra]

that seems like a waste of money

[grand mesa]

People already do multiple accounts just to play the game

it just so happens that you can queue into yourself too for whatever reason

[high tundra]

interesting

why wintrade solo shuffle anyway

seems like a lot of effort when you could just play arena

ou wait nvm

[wintry jackal]

Good morning my Druid tree hugging friends

Or good evening

[tiny oar]

good evening folten 🤝

[tardy hare]

Its afternoon

[grand mesa]

Gm Dudu family

[wintry jackal]

Or afternoon

Good time of day!

[wintry jackal]

Lake we still need to play

We should resto feral boomie with beavs

https://tenor.com/view/the-cyclone-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-storm-whirlwind-gif-21957082

[tiny oar]

hell yea HELL YEA HELL YEA

[wintry jackal]

Lake idk if I am allowed to share it here but on the gundam Reddit people have been painting some sick trans flag color gundam models

[tiny oar]

u can post it here, no one comes in here lol. that sounds cool !

[wintry jackal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunpla/s/Fm6RJNpGwD

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunpla/s/U92w5P10jL

[grand mesa]

[tiny oar]

hell yea this looks lit as fuck

[wintry jackal]

The paint jobs are insane

I wish I was that talented

[stray sigil]

pussy

[chrome panther]

@grand mesa

[late wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-mad-face-angry-girl-pissed-off-gif-16188819

[north grove]

id like to say that im missing op verdancy

[chrome panther]

the specs gonna need like a 25% pvp aura nerf at this rate

[grand mesa]

I’m an enh

Fury are my friends

Also this still isn’t worse than SL fury

[chrome panther]

i dipped 2 months into s1 so all i knew was arms condemn

[grand mesa]

Their filler also became a charge

with tier set

Or something I don’t remember

[tender lantern]

Hi, any tips for someone looking to play feral druid for the first time?

[grand mesa]

@stray sigil

[stray sigil]

im ww main

but also @tender lantern thats hella broad question maybe narrow it down a bit

[livid wasp]

fucking shouldnt shuffle at 2 am

making me shout at these two shaman games

what makes me really mad is playing against a frost mage and my healer wants to make love to me and runs on top of me in the middle when im stealthed and the mage freezes and takes me out

[late wraith]

enhanceshamanrestodruidiscpriest

[grand mesa]

i have never wavered

[late wraith]

tell me lies tell me sweet little lies

tell me lies

tell me tell me lies

[late wraith]

kinda beautiful when you thinjk about it

they're trying to connect

[grand mesa]

where in this is a lie

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

AGAIN WHERE IS THE LIE

[late wraith]

oh are you a triple threat next season is that the final call?

[grand mesa]

shadow priest looks interesting too...

[late wraith]

hahah

[grand mesa]

randomly have 50-70% PI uptime?

[late wraith]

what a wild year it's been for you and wavering

[grand mesa]

this isn't the only place people gotta deal with my bullshit

[chrome panther]

[clear pulsar]

It looks like

Puzzle has never wavered

No reason to doubt him, he's adamant

[late wraith]

steadfast

[grand mesa]

Iron clad resolve

[late wraith]

like a rock

stoic even probably

[clear pulsar]

Pastelly

[grand mesa]

Das you

[late wraith]

puzzle is pastelly

wait no this doesn't make sense he's 2 cards intersecting at 90 degree angles. unchanging and firm in his beliefs.

[velvet quest]

“Rdruid main for life” he said unwaveringly

[grand mesa]

[late wraith]

[stray sigil]

i love cloen too much he said

[grand mesa]

ca we focus on other things

like zechey screaming @ 2am because of shuffle

[stray sigil]

[vestal citrus]

holy fuck

beavs is SO toxic

with the receipts and errything

[grand mesa]

im bullied

[random patrol]

@grand mesa perfectly normal behavior for him

if Zechey wasn't screaming about 2am shuffle I would be worried

[brazen lake]

This channel is just a race to see who says the first slur

[north grove]

guys

newb question

omnicc and omnibar

they are outdated?

tried downloading them from curse

do i need the curse program thing

i was downloading manually

[brazen lake]

Yes

Yes and no

[north grove]

oh

so everyone is pvping without those

i think someone had a good weak aura for this stuff

[brazen lake]

Fuck wait

[north grove]

wonder if it still works

[brazen lake]

Don’t listen to me

[north grove]

also

why people are using truncated nicknames

oh

this is the stream mode

[tropic schooner]

I used omnibar without any issue a few weeks ago

[clear pulsar]

Only after we saw you arrive

Idiot

[late wraith]

Lol perfect chaos

[grand mesa]

Both

[north grove]

just downloaded them from curseforge.com

and they are outdated for me

i might be doing something wrong

lmao

11.0?

oh nvm

human misstakes

i believe

actually omnibar seems outdated for me
i did download this one and it didnt work out

[grand mesa]

jordan

doesn't play wow

[grand mesa]

morning fellow neverwaverers

[tropic schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[tropic schooner]

just cause it says its outdated doesnt mean it doesnt work

ofc it can mean that but doesnt have to

[tiny oar]

wrong gif

[radiant gulch]

asdjnadshadsjubdsaubndas

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-crazy-crazy-cat-insane-cat-going-insane-gif-5752628082217795406

i just want to hit 2400 in shuff and be done with it and then I sit there for half a day and I gained 0 rating 3-3 lobbies

with 30+ minutes queue times

im going insane

[livid wasp]

you can do it even I could

[grand mesa]

@clear pulsar keys tn?

[willow shadow]

anyone got a good build for a boomy

who just wants to starfall and all mighty push ppl off edge during eye of storm 🙂

[clear pulsar]

Idk about keys but rdru saved @grand mesa

Looks like you've never been a priest

[grand mesa]

how so

cause the tier set fix?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

i have NEVER WAVERED

[clear pulsar]

Man tier procing literally >80% of the time just on yourself was the lamest thing I ever saw

[grand mesa]

would have been nice for pvp

no trinket tranq

[tiny oar]

hope u all have a wonderful day fellow pvpers

[high tundra]

is speed leech or avoidance best in pvp

[tropic schooner]

speed

[wintry jackal]

[wintry jackal]

What’re you at currently?

[radiant gulch]

2320

but im very clueless

some lobbies im just pumping and some im on the verge of dying every 2 seconds while also having 0 pressure

and this game is way too complicated or im too dumb to say whether its my healers fault or mine

especially shit like ret/assa which im seeing a lot

[night glacier]

hmm, how do I get item that is 639 at arena, but also has PvE tier effects?

[chrome panther]

buy conquest piece and convert it to tier at the catalyst.

[night glacier]

cheers

[livid wasp]

someone explain to me why ret is allowed to have bubble, bop and lay on hands usable in arena meanwhile feral has nothing but some shit walls

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar @late wraith @grand mesa KEYS?

[late wraith]

Uhhh I could do like 1 or 2

[stray sigil]

ASSEMBLE

OLD PPL

[late wraith]

This is good because I was considering solo shuffle and I needed someone to slap me out of that

[stray sigil]

i was also about to hit q button

[stray sigil]

do it and stream

[late wraith]

No

[stray sigil]

[late wraith]

Solo is horrible I hate doing it I haven’t done it at all this season and I predict I do one and remember why it’s a mode that I have no interest in

[stray sigil]

wrong go for 2.4

dont be a pussy

real?

[chrome panther]

que fury

brain off

[stray sigil]

real so brain off u triple dr storm bolt

[late wraith]

Yeah

[chrome panther]

i play worse with puzzle fr fr

[late wraith]

That’s kind of exactly why I don’t like it

[chrome panther]

i get nervous

[stray sigil]

swear boomy good in shuffle beavs

[stray sigil]

just remember this

hes old and bald

and all the nervousness goes away

[chrome panther]

im older than him

i think

[stray sigil]

do you have a set of hair ?

[chrome panther]

not bald though

[stray sigil]

then you win

he should be nervous

not the other way

why do you think he doesnt want to q with me

cuz im younger

better

hairier

cooler

[chrome panther]

[late wraith]

yeah probably i haven't tried since end of df so i'll give it a shot see how it feels

at the very least i have gotten better since then so i can feel it out

[stray sigil]

but u def dont just perma run in shuffle like u do in 3s

abuse precog nobody can kick

like me

specially lower mmr

[late wraith]

yeah i know you gotta end it in 3 minutes or whatever

i just don't trust the healers lol

[stray sigil]

good thing ur spec is stupid

2 INCARNS

holocaust

[stray sigil]

legendary display of ours

[late wraith]

try kicking better

[stray sigil]

no i just kick 0.1

[late wraith]

wtf are you doing to get that are you just insta kicking while they insta fake?

[stray sigil]

works or doesnt

i cba

waste of time

i need to dmg for 2 ppl

cuz sometimes puzzle does vanilla dps

[late wraith]

lol i fake insta with double melee

[stray sigil]

@grand mesa

[late wraith]

cause i know one of you is kicking

[grand mesa]

i always kick late 🤷‍♂️

[stray sigil]

its ok we have grounding

for when i miss kick

[late wraith]

good for you, your boy doesn't though

and it only takes 1 to precog

[grand mesa]

yeah he's a mustard

[stray sigil]

i try prekick

but these ppl are too bad

its real

[late wraith]

but like it legit doesn't matter you just drop a grounding

[grand mesa]

playing like it's SL still when precog didn't exist

[late wraith]

and move it to behind the boomy like a dip shid

[grand mesa]

truly is stuck in 2021

[stray sigil]

i either win the game

or i dont

[stray sigil]

one shot them

like i would u

[late wraith]

i mean yeah it's just a chore to target it

i have gotten so fuckin lazy that i will just spam moonfire into my current target sometimes

to clear it lol

[stray sigil]

i dont think it works like that anymore

beavers

[grand mesa]

it's also a chore trying to kick boomkins who spam and juke clones nonstop

[late wraith]

it does

[stray sigil]

hahahahaha

[grand mesa]

it does with twin moons

[stray sigil]

thats not what she means

think she means like before

it used to tank 1 spell

and disapear

[late wraith]

no it eats like 3 spells

[stray sigil]

well techinically

its inifnite spells

for like 6s

[grand mesa]

it's a really good button i like it

[late wraith]

sure whatever i just can't be assed to go behind the fucking pillar to get it

so i just sit thee

[radiant gulch]

solo shuffle is peak wow pvp

the way it was always supposed to be

[late wraith]

and i either waste the 2 starfires to getinto my eclipse

or i just press moonfire over and over till it's gone

because i'm lazy and i'm mad

[stray sigil]

i just scream at other ppl to get it for me

unless its shuffle

then i trust no one

[late wraith]

mayo goes and gets it for me cause he's a team player

[late wraith]

didn't you legit say you have no idea what you're doing

like earlier today

[chrome panther]

no thoughts just vibes

[late wraith]

this is how it's supposed to be?

[radiant gulch]

wdym

[stray sigil]

its ok beavs hates shuffle

[late wraith]

nothing don't worry about it

[stray sigil]

she hates fun

[radiant gulch]

ye I see

[stray sigil]

old granma

[radiant gulch]

you can embrace modern shuffle like every other game or play 3v3 with 10 other peoplee that still play it for 20 years with their friends

[late wraith]

b please

thanks

[chrome panther]

[radiant gulch]

so you can be farmed by blizzcon champions at 2k because no one else touches this mode

[grand mesa]

tbh 20-40m queues isn't modern lobby gaming either

[radiant gulch]

okay ill stop now

[grand mesa]

if they worked on that sure

[high tundra]

how do u get precognition

is it an embellish

[grand mesa]

gem

[radiant gulch]

ye long queues is the only problem I have

[grand mesa]

this expac

[radiant gulch]

tbh

[grand mesa]

yeah

[high tundra]

ohhh okie

[radiant gulch]

but I dont even blame people wow pvp isnt exactly friendly to players in any way

[high tundra]

why does every youtuber i seem to watch have all of their buttons as a macro

[grand mesa]

i think if it was 2-5m queues for dps i think it would be the main game mode and not close

[high tundra]

like its just shred but theres 8 icons of it and all of them are macros

[late wraith]

yeah it's great. i love it. (i'm crying)

[radiant gulch]

[grand mesa]

becuase they're stuck in 2005

[high tundra]

oh

[late wraith]

i'm happy people are happy in solo tbh i'm not a solo hater for other people just for me.

[grand mesa]

before WAs and modern addons could solve that

it's how they were able to track their CDs better

by having 3 of the same spell next to each other

[high tundra]

I see

so im not missing out on legendary tech

[grand mesa]

and get rid of redundant spells u don't need to see, like no CD instant cast spells like rejuv or moonfire

as long as u can track your CDs easily on action bar whether by a WA setup or ur really comfy with your action bars it's cosmetic

[high tundra]

i need moonfire for the 3 hit combo talent

forgot its name

but i see

how useful is powershifting

[grand mesa]

blood talons i'm assuming

[high tundra]

that is the one

[grand mesa]

but do u need to track the moonfire CD is what im saying

[high tundra]

ohhh

no

[grand mesa]

so u just need to know it's bind

which im sure is memorized

and then the moonfire becomes something more important as a showtooltip macro to show something else like bash maim incarn etc

that's what they're doing

[high tundra]

I see

ohhh

that makes so much sense now

i never even thought of that

crazy

is 1700 rating low

[grand mesa]

in what bracket

[high tundra]

shuffle

[stray sigil]

low yeah

[grand mesa]

it's not particularly high

[high tundra]

💔 im lowelo

[grand mesa]

that's fine tbh

if ur new and just playing

[high tundra]

my goal is 1800 for the transmog

even though its ugly 🙏

[grand mesa]

activity may pick up with season end annoucnement

[high tundra]

its average like 8minutes queueing before a game shows up

[grand mesa]

that's really good

maybe 1700 is the promised land

[stray sigil]

my qs are 45mins long lol

id kill for 8min qs

[grand mesa]

i wish i could lock my MMR

[high tundra]

ndkbdpjvd

[grand mesa]

be 1600 forever

[high tundra]

i wasnt complaining i know they get long higher up

[chrome panther]

even 2.1k mmr its 15-20 mins

deadge game

[stray sigil]

are u 2.1

triple dr bolt

[grand mesa]

the players are there just not the healers

[stray sigil]

[chrome panther]

yes

[stray sigil]

[chrome panther]

if you can do a basic dps rota

[high tundra]

makes sende

sense

[stray sigil]

legendary spec fury is

[chrome panther]

you are above 2k player

[high tundra]

healing in pvp seems scary

wow

[grand mesa]

it's the hardest thing to do in the game

fuji shhh

[high tundra]

when does my rating reflect this

[chrome panther]

fwiw my feral is like 2k mmr or so

[stray sigil]

[high tundra]

how much rating do u guys get for winning

[stray sigil]

depends on the lobby

[clear pulsar]

Trick question

[chrome panther]

idk what you mean by this

[clear pulsar]

Fuji never wins

Good morning

[grand mesa]

to get 1800 if u know ur damage buttons well and can do good damage you'd take over the game and not need to do anything else tbh lol

[stray sigil]

i am back to 2.4+

rat pig

[grand mesa]

low MMR don't know how to do damage its crazy

[stray sigil]

i undid my tank

[clear pulsar]

I think my internet is back to competent

[high tundra]

i top damage and im 1700

[grand mesa]

we call that the face

[stray sigil]

real

[grand mesa]

fixing a legendary tank

face's MO

[chrome panther]

yeah top dmg in your lobby though

even at 2.1k mmr i see fury warriors sitting at capped rage for 10+ seconds

[high tundra]

is it normal to be capping combo points as a feral

[clear pulsar]

Feral has a lot of 'pad' damage, I mean as it's healable as hell, you need either incarn or cross CC to create real pressure

[high tundra]

what is cross cc

[stray sigil]

say u bash

the healer

and u clone the ret

on that said bash

u crossed ret

so he cant sanq

[clear pulsar]

When you CC across different people

[high tundra]

ohh okay

[clear pulsar]

Lining up your damage with that

[high tundra]

Ive been doing that when I can

[clear pulsar]

So like when you have FF, you CC healer and you stun your target, do FF bite, then you can CC healer again in a chain etc

[stray sigil]

id just press incarn on cd

in shuffle at low mmr

and do holocaust dmg

[clear pulsar]

Yeah tbh idk what 1.7k mmr looks like

[stray sigil]

and u get free 1800

[grand mesa]

1600-1700 healers cannot heal

[clear pulsar]

That must be so much fun

[grand mesa]

actual damage

[high tundra]

i usually maim healer then bash someone else

[grand mesa]

just focus on doing big damage imo

[high tundra]

📝

[stray sigil]

if u do like

the big dam opener

u prob just win

off that at that mmr

[high tundra]

Maybe

it works sometimes

I feel like I just dont use cc properly

[radiant gulch]

im so close....

[clear pulsar]

Gaming

[velvet quest]

If it works sometimes then you figure out what’s causing it to not work other times and adapt to make it work better in those situations

[high tundra]

good luck ornstein from smough

[radiant gulch]

[clear pulsar]

Rat rdru tho

[radiant gulch]

watch me go 0/6 next lobby with 6 rets or somethingf i dont know

[high tundra]

is ret broken

[stray sigil]

just open big

[clear pulsar]

Not rly

Feral is broken

[stray sigil]

and swap to healer with like ur free rake from prowl on incarn

and dr stun like 2 times

at that mmr they wont know what to do

[high tundra]

paladins are the most miserable disgusting things to fight in the open world

[radiant gulch]

i just dont like playing vs ret as cat, warrior at least I can kite, ret just throws stuff (?) from other end of the arena for 1.5m global

[stray sigil]

like open put ff and bleeds swap healer

and put ur shit on him with stun locks

[high tundra]

📝📝📝

[stray sigil]

ull prob get everytinh

[high tundra]

1800 here i come

[stray sigil]

whats ur opener look like

gcd wise

[grand mesa]

fuji give him the opener yea

practice that

[high tundra]

prowl -> tiger fury -> rake -> feral frenzy -> moonfire -> swarm -> incarn -> rip

[livid wasp]

why cant polymorph be a 3 second cast

[high tundra]

prowl again and repeat

on the same guy or someone else

but while incarn is up i just try to get rip on everyone

sometimes i get hit in the face with cc and not sure what to do about it other than trinket

[clear pulsar]

Well

Bestie

The only thing you can do about it is trinket

[high tundra]

[clear pulsar]

But when you get ccd it's a good chance to stop spamming your zugzug buttons and take a look at the information on your screen

[velvet quest]

I think if you’re doing that all on one person you’d want to incarn earlier and prowl for the restun earlier otherwise the dr stun has a big gap and the extra dmg and stun ur adding won’t be nearly as scary

[high tundra]

sometimes i just tiger fury and incarn both in stealth before opening

[high tundra]

but ive been trying this whole thing recently

[livid wasp]

why does this game have so much cancer

[high tundra]

unanswerable question

[livid wasp]

frost mage biggest cancer ever

[radiant gulch]

just stack on melees on incarn and start pressing brutal slash and nothing else

works everyime

[stray sigil]

could just incarn irght off the bat tbh

just do like

incarn > tf > rake > ff > swarm> moonfire > rip

and go use ur free prowl rake on the healer

and do the same shit without ff

but like dr maim/bash or meld rake

for max pressure

lowkey after ur done doing tghat shit to them just clone them

prob just wins u games cuz they wont know how to play that fast

@grand mesa play fast

[grand mesa]

play fast

[high tundra]

in the time it takes for all those globals you would have combo points to do othet stuff

[stray sigil]

thats fine w.e

[high tundra]

is it more worth to just cap out for a sec ?

[stray sigil]

u keep overcapped combo points

in incarn

and its just so u get the bt rip off

[high tundra]

oh wow

i did not know that xd

ive just been firing off finishers as often as i can

[stray sigil]

u keep like 3 or soemthing

so ur fine

[clear pulsar]

Play random

[high tundra]

if theres a hunter/dk/shaman

should i be focusing the pets/totems

[stray sigil]

na fuck the pets

totems only like

[clear pulsar]

Dont even think about them if your goal is just 1.8k

[stray sigil]

ground static maybe tide if u want

but yeah just do dmg lol

these ppl dont know how to heal guaranteed

[high tundra]

well i want to get better than that

[stray sigil]

if u pressure them hard

its over

[high tundra]

but short term

[stray sigil]

but ye

the ele totem skyfury or w.e

tide maybe from rsham

grounding

[clear pulsar]

Drop a vortex/mass root on t he army of pets when bm is summoning them all

[high tundra]

i need a list of interruption priotity spells

[clear pulsar]

Thats the lowest level effort

To help somewhat peel them for a sec

[stray sigil]

thats just too broad to do

cuz it depends on the situation

almost 90% of the time

[high tundra]

i know i was kidding

but if i see a nullifying shroud i do my best to stop it

[stray sigil]

fuc kpeeling that low lol

[stray sigil]

depends what u play but prob yeah

like say u play feral ele or something shuffle

do u really care about shroud all that much

[high tundra]

is there a high prio interrupt for each class? i know interrupting chaos bolt locks destro out of 99% of their spells bc its fire and shadow

[stray sigil]

its nice to not let out for sure

[high tundra]

i see

[stray sigil]

frostfire bolt on veins for frost mage

any arcane spell on arcane surge for arcane mage

need to fuck their surge and they are useless

obviously desin vs dev

[high tundra]

stormkeeper sounds important so i always try to get rid of it but idk what it actually does

[stray sigil]

clone vs boomy

[stray sigil]

not that big a deal

[clear pulsar]

Yall keep saying healers cant heal that low

Bakedcrusade is about to go 0-12 and come back here screaming at the clouds about how the healers are throwing the games on his team

And it' why he cant reach 1.8

[stray sigil]

play fast

[high tundra]

sjlbsjcdoc

[chrome panther]

[stray sigil]

so u win faster

than they cant heal

gg

[clear pulsar]

Idk feral doesnt click for me tbh

[stray sigil]

na but i swear if u do what i typed vs those healers at low mmr

[clear pulsar]

At least this pla yfast part

[stray sigil]

u insta win games off opener pressures

[clear pulsar]

It's way easier to play fast and overtrade early on a class with more... stuff to trade

[stray sigil]

u havea 1 min 30% wall

2 regens with hotw

[high tundra]

ill let you know what happens next time i play

[clear pulsar]

How are you playing fast sitting in bear for 7s straight lol

[stray sigil]

how can die

[stray sigil]

i mean if he plays fast

the other dudes are gonna be so lost

trying to peel

at that mmr

[clear pulsar]

Yeah idk I'm not saying feral has nothing ig just sad that idk how to play it

[stray sigil]

also ur pressuring 2 ppl the way i said it

so like idk

these ppl can barely heal 1 guy

and prob not used

to getting hit at all

[livid wasp]

wish I knew how to play it I dont know when to clone

[chrome panther]

alot of healers in 1700-2k just mental boom if focused

especially discs

[stray sigil]

feral also pretty good

at gibbing healers

if u have drs for it

[high tundra]

idk when to clone either

if i see someone using a big cd i use it

stun-> clone usually

[radiant gulch]

just clone 24/7 if out of incarn

for no particular reason they will tilt and u win psychologically

[north grove]

u guys said anything bout peel

im unpeelable

[stray sigil]

[clear pulsar]

Brother

Playing resto druid with those tiny ass icons for hots

Is unbelievable

Is this what people with 'default UI' play like @grand mesa

[radiant gulch]

another 30 minute queue just to gain 0 because mage plays like a god in enemy team and in mine dies in opener without pressing ice block

[grand mesa]

No everyone plays stock++

[radiant gulch]

im going crazy

[grand mesa]

With big debuffs

[clear pulsar]

Sometimes you just get crit harder

It happens

Main thing I hate with sv rn is that my main go is reliant on crit, but it's nowhere near 100%, it's more like 50%, so sometimes none of the big hits crit

And sometimes I 1 deag someone from 50% hp

[stray sigil]

u have to 1 deag cuz u cant trap

[radiant gulch]

aaaaaand another lobby where I win 1 game and someone leaves

+2 rating

wholesome 🙂

[clear pulsar]

What are you playing?

[stray sigil]

with dn

[radiant gulch]

feral

started playing druid this ssn just to tank for my friends but 2400 tabard kinda cute so

[stray sigil]

tabard has legion vibes

i like it

[livid wasp]

its free just spam blitz

[wintry jackal]

Doesn’t feel earned

[radiant gulch]

im too far gone to start playing blitz rn

im like 1-2 wins from it

[stray sigil]

if u start from 0 in blitz can u even get 2.4 before next ssn

not even trolling with qs

and how cr works in there

and its like what close to 2 weeks before end of ssn

[radiant gulch]

20 minutes solo que

someone declines

nothing pop ups again

mgiht just watch bladerunner on my second monitor because this shit takes too damn long

[grand mesa]

If u want to watch paint dry can watch this onlyfangs raid

they’ve been arguing about where the 40 people stand around rag for 20 min now

[radiant gulch]

I occasionaly watch pika because hes entertaining but otherwise dont really care for classic raids

[livid wasp]

yeah well 72.4k people like to watch it via soda apparently

I think 90% of them are just waiting to see how many die

[radiant gulch]

[wintry jackal]

Classic so boring

[late wraith]

pika and tyler1 being gone makes it dead to me

like pika was hard carrying the entertainment of hc

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar KEYYYS

[tiny oar]

KEYYYS

[clear pulsar]

I'm hunting boars brother

[clear pulsar]

Catch me in s2

[tiny oar]

real

REALLL

[stray sigil]

[radiant gulch]

one 4-2 lobby away...

[grand mesa]

o7

[tiny oar]

u got this bud

LOCK IN

[radiant gulch]

[radiant gulch]

ye 2-4 lobby

this nightmare will never end

waited 45 minutes for this lobby too

[tropic schooner]

nice could have been worse

[radiant gulch]

idk correct me

but every lobby there is ele and everyone says to train ele

and nothing good ever comes out of it

they just dont take damage

while also doing 1 million dps entire game

and killing you through random procs

while I was 2k I was seeing all sorts of classes

now theres an ele every lobby so trying to clone becomes a sport

I remember the good times when they had to go blue wolf and run around pillar with roots and all that

now they just stay in the middle of the map and win

[cerulean osprey]

I'm 3 wins away, but feel like I woke up too late and won't be able to get the quality hours today again. I think I've noticed it's better to play at this hour, or take two back or two forward max. Short sessions. Win. One loss, maybe two - take a break. And that I've been climbing better Tue-Thu for some reason. I really wanna get this tabard, like Supreme said it's a bit Legion/BfA-esque. I've been 'Marshal' for 13 years and now is my time for redemption.
I consider myself an atheist, but I nearly got rekt IRL by falling into a ditch some months ago, and falling like a spider saved me. I got a spider pendant on that day as well, I legit had to go back to the store. So in this 'second life', hopefully I will finally be 2400 with the spider tabard once and for all. Boomy in Blitz that is, I know -- my spec's a privilege 🤣
#casuallife

[radiant gulch]

see you even have a life story to back up dealing with this shit

we're gonna make it brother

[clear pulsar]

Is only game

[radiant gulch]

[clear pulsar]

Calm down

[cerulean osprey]

Amen to Elune to that sir! We got this. Ezpz

Last 2 weeks of the season are the easiest regardless
because everybody remembers they gotta queue if they want rewards
so naturally they push the ladder up

[radiant gulch]

yeah thats why I want to get it and then dont touch wow pvp for another few months ideally

im just annoyed it takes so long with these 40+ minutes queue

[cerulean osprey]

Me as well, and do bear in mind I've mainly PvP'ed for over a decade

I enjoy SoloQ because of my hours, but I feel kinda burnt out tbh

[radiant gulch]

soloq would be so chill if not for those queues, im not a kid anymore I have a job, pretty annoying to wait 40+ minutes queue to go 3-3 and gain 0 rating

[clear pulsar]

Play healer

[cerulean osprey]

100% and yeah. Either you want long BGB queues that keep cancelling (we all know why...)
or Solo Shuffle where your MMR will never move by contrast.

[radiant gulch]

I might consider that in the future, not even kidding

[cerulean osprey]

I'm lowkey concerned about next season, because BGB MMR will prolly get nerfed
with a post like "we wanted to test the mode and get as much data as possible"

so where will the participation go? :/

We'll have to see 😄

[tropic schooner]

just improve and your mmr goes up

[radiant gulch]

siimple as

[tiny oar]

JUST PLAY BETTER TM

[cerulean osprey]

True. It's def doable in Shuffle. You still have some agency in BGB but it's more "keep queueing"

[radiant gulch]

tbh a lot of those lobbies where one healer goes 6 the other goes 0

[cerulean osprey]

At this point, how can healers be incentivized to queue and play? 😮

[clear pulsar]

You cant

Because everytime they lose they get berated by some entitled dps that can barely do their rotation

[cerulean osprey]

I've seen some cool ambulance-copter mount concepts
but IMO that won't help until the gameplay issues are improved

[clear pulsar]

Even tho it's an equal opportunity game mode

[cerulean osprey]

true, sadly

in reality its the DPS not doing... DPS, nor peeling most of the time

[tropic schooner]

doubt any perceived gameplay issue adressing will help

healers are unpopular cause supporting/healing is less popular

[radiant gulch]

^

[cerulean osprey]

yup

[radiant gulch]

people on reddit come up with these ideas "how about we make some special healer mount just for healers, blizzard is so lazy!!!"

idk

i dont think it would help at all

[tropic schooner]

that probably will help

thats not a gameplay thing I could absolutely see that that would increase popularity a bit

but the thing which I dont think would help what so ever is "buffing healers"

[clear pulsar]

Enten allergic to punctuation

[tropic schooner]

which some people seem to think

[tropic schooner]

yes

[cerulean osprey]

I admit I've never gathered the courage to heal
and now the game is even burstier.
Inc sun-temperature hot take: The CC changes were anti-skill.
Ironically, PvE DPS will win up to 2400 🤣
Healers: "we can't use our character"
Tuning: "+1000 micro-CC's you're welcome"

[tropic schooner]

"anti skill"

[cerulean osprey]

NANI?

[tropic schooner]

wtf is that supposed to mean

also micro CCs?

[cerulean osprey]

PvP skill has largely revolved around calculated CC chains
where the "pre-cognition" came from the player, not from an item.

Nerf CC = either more PvE dmg or more instagibs due to micro-CC and modified burst

So matches either last forever or end in seconds

which is boring and doesn't help most players improve

[tropic schooner]

but thats not reality?

you dont have games end in seconds

or last forever

also not sure where you get around calculated CC chains, most comps never operated around massive CC chains, personally I massivly prefer very bursty games

[cerulean osprey]

Oh but of course it is. Anyone whose been playing for over 3 expansions has noticed this.
Most of them quit, at least that I've known (including big RBG guilds and multi glads)

[tropic schooner]

and I think the reliance on cds in (modern) wow is not a good thing

[tropic schooner]

absolutely not

[cerulean osprey]

Ok that we can agree on as an approach to improving things

But then again, it's not like we design the game.

[tropic schooner]

ofc its a different design idea and no idea how many ppl enjoy one thing or another

[clear pulsar]

You see when demo enhance was winning blizzcon

[tropic schooner]

but I absolutely prefer the more wotlk style of arena

[clear pulsar]

It was all about... cc chains

[cerulean osprey]

There's how the game has worked for 15+ years

[tropic schooner]

where you can get popped without cds

[tropic schooner]

no?

it hasnt

[cerulean osprey]

and how it has been abruptly tilted

It's very simple. It's all cuz of Mythic+ becoming the main competitive mode over PvP

[tropic schooner]

not sure if youve played arena in tbc or wotlk (havent played much cata arena so dont have perspective there)

but in wotlk arena you could literally kill in a 2s cc

you needed to prepop your own defensives in anticipation of one instant CC

[chrome panther]

[tropic schooner]

tbc arena was ofc a lot slower but the main gameplay loop in tbc arena was play around stun resists

[chrome panther]

And mana

[tropic schooner]

depending what you played yea

also armor durability

[chrome panther]

we played sp arms rdruid

[clear pulsar]

Everytime I watched minpojke play arena throughout the different classics

It looked absolutely horrid

[chrome panther]

It's very boring coming from retail.

imo

[cerulean osprey]

This are objective metrics, not my opinion.
Just examine toolkits vs their previous iterations.
Since WoD, a history of hastely, imbalanced un/re/prunings...
The game used to feel more like chess, now it's like fortnite.

And it's not like I wish for the game to be much slower.
I just wish the science of reaction time was given a care.
AKA everything should be done to dampen modifiers that would allow killing in 1-2 globals.

[clear pulsar]

I cant trust the judgement of anyone that claims wow pvp was better before wod

[tropic schooner]

I prefer wotlk over retail

[clear pulsar]

Or whatever

[tropic schooner]

that is your opinion

you are wrong

[chrome panther]

mop was my favorite but that's rose tinted goggles when I could play 14 hours a day

[tropic schooner]

like sure some arena situations where slower

but especially wotlk

was a LOT faster then anything in recent modern wow

[clear pulsar]

MOP somehow had more bloated CC and utility kits than TWW

[tropic schooner]

both healing and dmg

[clear pulsar]

Against all odds

I just wish the science of reaction time was given a care.
AKA everything should be done to dampen modifiers that would allow killing in 1-2 globals.
This sounds awful

[tropic schooner]

also forgot which season exactly

but there were some horrible I believe bfa seasons

[cerulean osprey]

Human reaction time is awful? 🤣 maybe if your standard is non-human...

The amount of seconds something CC's for, or how modifiers work, or how haste does...
are not my opinion. But ok 🙂 again, there's nothing that can come out of players debating.
And so, I'll wish us all the best of luck in attaining our seasonal goals. That's what matters.

[tropic schooner]

where you had consistently 10+ min games

[tropic schooner]

yes

cause most things in wow arena arent reaction based

in difference to old wow

in modern wow you are not dying in 2s out of nowhere

(with maybe some insane exceptions)

[clear pulsar]

There's more than enough reacting in arena for my liking, the awful part was the idea that if you dont react you can die in literally 1 global

Like you said

[tropic schooner]

you are dying in 2s when people use cds

[clear pulsar]

Usually players debating can be enjoyable if people dont nitpick the wrong sentence and misinterpret it back to you tho

[chrome panther]

I think the game pace and feel is pretty peek rn outside of ele

[cerulean osprey]

Yes, that's a problem. That you go from snail to sonic raid boss damage 😄

[tropic schooner]

yea the games I played in shuffle

it felt fine

most shuffle rounds where around 2-3 mins

[chrome panther]

Ele and dev imo

[tropic schooner]

that seems perfectly reasonable

[chrome panther]

But I play fury so

[clear pulsar]

Idk I think we're just in different game versions atp if you think people can't die outside of lining up major cds

[tropic schooner]

really you think ppl can reasonably die outside cds?

[cerulean osprey]

and I'd say that part of the problem is solo queue, exactly because you can't communicate as much in real time. You gotta rely on the hope that people have frame addons, can read CDs and DRs, properly position, etc.

[clear pulsar]

Some specs can, others are more reliant on their stronger cd windows

[tropic schooner]

to me solo queue is not really different to before 90% of my arena games were no voice before too

[cerulean osprey]

But that just has to do with fewer players overall. Still, I lament that the MMO aspects are reduced, but again -- it's convenient to queue solo, as I admitted for myself.

[tropic schooner]

but obviously ppl prefer different things

[tropic schooner]

which specs have dmg outside cds

[clear pulsar]

Altho it also matters ig where you're distinguishing major cds from more 'rotational' short cds

[cerulean osprey]

Again, nothing we can do than play what we enjoy and try to enjoy it as much as we can 😄
And so, GL HF to us all 🙏

[tropic schooner]

(and with cds I basically mean anything 30s+ on cd not only the 3 min ones)

[clear pulsar]

Like outlaw doesnt rly have burst, you jsut kill with cross CC pressure

[tropic schooner]

so you dont need some cd to cross cc?

[clear pulsar]

I think we have a definition issue

I'm not calling kidney shot 'a major cooldown'

Or even vanish for outlaw

[tropic schooner]

sure just kidney I wouldnt either

vanish absolutely

[clear pulsar]

Vanish isnt a damage cd and it's shorter than 40s

[tropic schooner]

but I dont really know how outlaw works

outside grappling around and shooting ppl

and rolling bones

[clear pulsar]

My point was like

I'm playing SV, I can stun trap healer every 25s infinitely and a bunch of specs can follow up on it with another 6s full CC. I'm not calling stuff that I press as often as that a 'major cd', like Flanking Strike or Explosive Shot. If people trade wrong or unnecessarily on my cds, they can absolutely die off of rotational damage in between

[tropic schooner]

okay sure but you literally also talked about trading cds

[clear pulsar]

People die all the time on the go immediately after surviving major cds

[tropic schooner]

modern wow is very much designed and balanced around trading cds

[clear pulsar]

I was largely responding to this

There's this idea that people only die if you have cds rolling

[tropic schooner]

I mostly also agree with him

people tend to not die outside cds and you tend to not die when using your cds

obv especially depending on dampen

[clear pulsar]

You also called cds anything 30s or more

[tropic schooner]

eventuallly you die

[clear pulsar]

Which is not what I meant with major cds lining up

If they're talking about 'raid boss damage' with tigers fury + feral frenzy

Then by all means