pvp

[maiden viper]

🤡

[viscid remnant]

Sounds cooked to not play VI

[frail anchor]

is it easy for a hunter to trap off a clone? or does the clone immune it or someething

[viscid remnant]

Hard to time it i would say

[maiden viper]

clone immunes it if the timing isn't right

[frail anchor]

i see, so if i bash, i shouldn't clone right after it if my hunter can trap off the bash?

i had precog up when i used bash if that matters

[maiden viper]

much easier to clone after trap than the other way around

[frail anchor]

kk

[maiden viper]

but sometimes healer won't have time to clone afterwards

so it might be worth it

depends on the situation

but all things being equal, easier to clone after trap than the reverse

[frail anchor]

got it, ty

[maiden viper]

he was playing this

[viscid remnant]

I will never play without germ

But he can do whatever he wants

[maiden viper]

yeah losing germs is : |

[haughty nova]

is therre even a point in rooting hunters pet anymore? does their freedom line up with their cds?

[robust vigil]

@clear pulsar your guy Flops has been releasing some banger guides past few days, thanks for putting me on to him 🔥🔥🔥

[marble stag]

so umm, why people just keep dying in shuffle even with literally full hots up and regrowth spam

disc presses 1 bubble and that negates same amount of damage as my full row of hots and NS regrowth

[clear pulsar]

Yep, some positioning shit I saw that one fast

[robust vigil]

Yeah and he followed it up with another one on UI and addons the next day too. It's honestly just what I was looking for

[clear pulsar]

Undertuned spec and damage is very random/bursty rn

1 lucky crit and someone goes 50 to 0 in literal 1 second was more than half of my shuffle rounds before I gave up this week

[marble stag]

I love how on my disc I can just throw few bubbles and call it a day lol

[clear pulsar]

Well fuck disc

[marble stag]

and disc used to be one of the harder specs, now its easiest one in pvp xd Well at least I get more practice on my druid

[clear pulsar]

Yeah thats how it goes, easiest is usually strongest cuz you win without needing to figure it all out

[marble stag]

ye but usually when some healers are in the strongest position u can still see who is actually good on that class

now I cant tell the difference between disc priests since they give mega bubbles to everyone and keep people alive

especially if they run Oracle

[robust vigil]

I wish I found priests enjoyable. Because they're in alot of good comps. But I just find the class aesthetic uninspiring and the gameplay kind of boring

[marble stag]

voidweaver is fun

[robust vigil]

Priest and hunter are the two base game classes I just could never get into

[marble stag]

oracle is only fun in a way that it lets u turn off ur brain, watch youtube and play shuffle same time

[robust vigil]

I don't even enjoy priest enough to finish leveling mine and I get 4 levels from every dungeon right now

I'm sure they're more fun at max level

[marble stag]

ok now Im gonna try Markers wildstalker build

fuck keeper of the grove

[late wraith]

Voidweaver priest has the best sound effect in the game. It’s like a shotgun sound for their void smite

and the black hole is pretty

[robust vigil]

I heard blood DK has the best heals in the game

[livid wasp]

searing glare is the most annoying ability in the game

[pastel bronze]

Hey guys, I was thinking about giving rdruid a whirl in arena and blitz. How are we doing in each bracket? What's our best bracket / comp right now?

[clear pulsar]

I was preaching about wildstalker for ages in pre-season

[clear pulsar]

It's mid, in blitz it's really a big struggle for mana especially

It's prob best in 2s

[pastel bronze]

Okok

[marble stag]

u have to press 5x more buttons than other healers

[pastel bronze]

Are we playing super aggressive in 2s going full cat weave or more laid back kotg?

[marble stag]

otherwise its fine

[clear pulsar]

It depends on comp and matchup more than anything

Catweave is a control thing

You're playing for stuns

KOTG should add better damage usually if you're playing safe super far back and your partner takes care of cross CC for you

[frail anchor]

if u get a 4 second stun, can u do 3 globals before the restun? or will that create a gap

[clear pulsar]

3 cat globals yeah

If perfectly queued

[frail anchor]

should u typically aim to get 3 globals in or do u play it safe and float a global off the 2nd

[safe heart]

These are the questions that keep me up at night

[frail anchor]

lmaooo

i guess its situational too

like if u think someone is going to trinket, u can float after 2nd global or maybe even the first and restun their trinket

so many times people instantly stun the first rake stun

i feel like instant restun on trinket just has to be insane

[safe heart]

Not always

Just depends

[frail anchor]

i think i get what u mean

like if ur going against sham who wants to trinket wall

if u restun, but they already got the wall? its not worth right?

[safe heart]

Ur resto or feral

[frail anchor]

feral

[safe heart]

If you have enough damage to make it worth it or there's enough pressure then yea

It's completely situational

[frail anchor]

i see

[safe heart]

I can't give you a guide on when you should triple dr stun

[frail anchor]

like if u have incarn up and ur other dps has dmg up too, the insta restealth rake stun prob worth it forr sure on their trinket

[safe heart]

Yeah probably so

Against locks I like to triple dr stun them so they don't port for free

[frail anchor]

also i was wondering. how does the feral go work outside of incarn?, is there 2 diff types of goes? (one with feral frenzy and one without)

are u aiming to stun off dr as well?

[safe heart]

Yeah stun on cd basically
Without incarn
Just line up tf ff swarm

[frail anchor]

the cds on them has me so confused

like they are def meant to be used together

but one is 30, once is 25, and one is 45

adaptive and TF can be used together reliably

[prime rapids]

could anyone please post their feral talents used for 2v2 with healer? I was 2.5 as hunter last season, been duelist on every class since original wotlk. Just started playing feral and like hardstuck 1700

playing with a shammy

[frail anchor]

but fitting in the frenzy... how do u do that in game

[prime rapids]

I multi-pleed a lot, maybe too much

i'm full full mastery

gear is good

just feel I can't finish them off. So many games both are running at 10% hp yet we loose cause healer is oom (rsham)

[safe heart]

Yeah so ur go is every 45 seconds

You can press swarm once in between

[frail anchor]

ah i see

so u hold tigers fury a little bit so that the buff is up during ur 45 sec go? or do u just treat it like a 45 sec cd and only use with frenzy?

[safe heart]

I press tf in a way that it's still running by the time I'm pressing ff

To get more up time on it

But if you don't wanna think about It that hard , then just hold it

[frail anchor]

i see, yea it seems optimal to just delay it like 5 seconds or so

and then in between the feral frenzy go, u just do a main stun off the dr right?

[safe heart]

Yeah
Should basically stun on cd

The timers don't all line up perfectly but you'll figure it out

[frail anchor]

kk thank you

i think if i have the general gameplan in my mind ill ease into it

[safe heart]

Yeah
You stun on cd
Keep up your bleeds always
Incarn opener
The tf ff swarm till incarn again

Make sure rip is always buffed with bt

[frail anchor]

i see that makes sense

the one thing im not sure of then is when should i be cloning?

im guessing i shouldn't be cloning when i have kill target stunned right, or when im doing a frenzy go

[safe heart]

Clone defensives
Clone offensives

[haughty nova]

Flop is insane. Doesnt get as much attention as he deserves imo

[safe heart]

Clone healer when you have someone low

[frail anchor]

should i be trying to clone right as im about to stun kill target(if i can)

[safe heart]

Clone ppl at low hp and Korean swap the healer

[frail anchor]

i see, so if u you do a stun feral frenzy go, and they pop trinket wall

u just clone them on their wall, juke the kick like a beast, and then swap someone else

[safe heart]

Yes

[frail anchor]

kk

[safe heart]

Clone wall, swap targets , then swap Clone to healer probably

[frail anchor]

is this muscle memory? i feel like the faster u can react to this and swap the more powerful it is

or do feral players think of this before they even get the cds

like "oh hes probably going trinket wall on this, ill get ready to clone insta"

lmaoo, are people precloning the trinket wall, like a priest pre md's bubble

ig theres just levels to this

[safe heart]

Sometimes

It just comes natural to you after a while

[marble stag]

as much as I love druid, I hope they gut feral druid so much that it does negative damage in pvp

[safe heart]

You learn to recognize it

[safe heart]

Thank you for your cr donation 🙏

[marble stag]

feral and resto are like night and day lol

resto feels like one of the hardest specs atm, meanwhile feral can be played literally by anybody rn

[frail anchor]

now that im learning feral, i've grown to appreciate the really good ferals because some of these plays are actually insane

[vocal geyser]

Any balance druid could dm me pls

[safe heart]

Try it out

[frail anchor]

but the mid tier ferals that just press rake and rip and auto win

that shits wack

[marble stag]

I dont need to try it

[safe heart]

Oh ok

[marble stag]

I play resto and boomy

u cant tell me feral is harder than those specs lol, even if I tried it

played feral in last expac tho

[safe heart]

Oh ok nice

[frail anchor]

also, the feral frenzy combo points are weird

if i press feral frezny at 0 combo points, and then the global right after i press maim, is that a full 5 cp stun?

#showtooltip
/cancelform
/cast Tiger's Fury

is this macro always good?

feels like a free snare break on every go

and 40% move speed with tirelss pursuit

oh but wait, if u press tigers fury in stealth u are fucked

is there a way to make the macro act different if u are in stealth?

[stray sigil]

cast [nostealth] maybe

[frail anchor]

is there a way to apply that to the /cancelform?

i want it to only cancel form if im not in stealth, since the cancel form breaks the stealth

[fallen nacelle]

/cancelform [nostealth]

[frail anchor]

holy based

thats perfect

this macro just passively makes every go better

oh, but if u double press

ur fucked

and i know that i spam my buttons lol

is there a way to make it so that the cancel form has a delay to it, once u press the macro so u dont accidentaly shift ur self out?

[frail anchor]

yo wait, when i cancelform into incarn, it puts me into cat form but my spellbar is all human form abilities, and i cant bite for like 1 global

[reef fulcrum]

Am i going mad or it there some bug with feral stealth not being able to be used?

i can mount etc in korraks but cannot stealth. happened in some shuffles yesterday too

[livid wasp]

idk game has had that bug for ages with random combats

[tropic schooner]

really? legit never had that happen

[livid wasp]

I read the second sentence now

havent had it probably one of the new features of this patch

[frail anchor]

how do u win the stealth war vs dh?

[shy snow]

someone else needs to get him in combat

[livid wasp]

honestly if nobody is getting him in combat ive started charging to them by surprise

[frail anchor]

oh once the dh is in combat he doesn't have fel eyez?

[livid wasp]

yes

[narrow crane]

I more often see rogues complaining abt this tbh

Haven’t had it on my druid either

[frail anchor]

is it impossible to shapeshift out of disintegrate?

[unkempt wind]

Kinda yea you instantly get reslowed

[frail anchor]

did boomy burst get upgraded or something?

the boomy pressed carn and i wnet 100-0 in 2 seconds

also when trying to kite to a pillar, is it good to shift in and out of bear form(so u are faster), or is that troll

and does frenzied regen still work if u leave bear?

[polar nymph]

Bursting Growth also puts you in combat.

[prime bear]

Do you have the link?

[robust vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA61tyfWKzo&t=46s

You can go to his channel for episdoe 1, which is on positioning

[frail anchor]

does root break to bleeds if u have them up already

[narrow crane]

You can, just dont get stunned out of form

[narrow crane]

No

[frail anchor]

kk ty

[vestal citrus]

unlikely to, depends rly

its like a threshold to break roots

it was increased by 400% a while back

depends how hard you're blasting

[frail anchor]

i see, i was trying to root this fury war and he was w keying mew lol

also man, how do u reliably meld rake stun

like i press my meld and tried to rake but instantly got out of stealth

[narrow crane]

To slow

Dont move after meld

[vestal citrus]

ya

need to not move

its a really deliberate thing rly

[narrow crane]

It’s hard to not move

Tbh

[vestal citrus]

ya

[frail anchor]

ah, so if the enemy randomly moves and get out of range im fucked?

[narrow crane]

But a great change nonetheless

[narrow crane]

Yep, skill issue

But if you stand ontop and then meld rake you should be good

[frail anchor]

kk

[narrow crane]

Make a macro maybe

[frail anchor]

i think im pressing it before the global is ready

[narrow crane]

/cast shadowmeld /cast rake

Be off global ye

[frail anchor]

oh bet

i only use meld for rake anyways

[narrow crane]

It’s like boomies who rootbeam while on gcd and just beam

[vestal citrus]

Yeah i do this constantly

washed r1

is my excuse

now i just play melee

dont need to think just zug

[narrow crane]

Not playing wow so much lately, but am forced to play healer usually cause cba queues

Or sitting lfg

[frail anchor]

man i keep missing my meld rake and my incarn rake

actually aids

give me subterfudge god dammit

[late wraith]

God it’s the fuckin worst though

Like why. Why do I do this why please stop

[narrow crane]

[late wraith]

And like if it actually landed sometimes it would get us some big cd’s but my root’s just sitting there taunting me

[viscid remnant]

Pluh

[stray sigil]

[strange hawk]

Should I respec my alt rdruid to feral for SS or Boomkin for BGB?

[livid wasp]

feral for both

[strange hawk]

Casters seem much more enjoyable in BGB

[frail anchor]

what should u do when u have low energy(and the target is dotted up)?

do u just go bear form for a little bit, even if ur not in that much danger

do u walk away

or do u just clone

[polar nymph]

Can do any of that really.

[frail anchor]

i see

u shouldn't just sit there and auto attack tho right?

[polar nymph]

It's all better than biting at low energy

You could even throw out heals if you wanted to

[frail anchor]

oh like hard cast regrowths

[charred yarrow]

ive decided to have a feral arc, whats current talent build? the one in the pins doesnt work

[polar nymph]

I'd check murlok.io

[gloomy nova]

u dont always want to rake when u meld btw

[charred yarrow]

last time i tried copying some random i ended up with some super troll smurf build

[safe heart]

Just pick any talents and you'll win cuz feral busted beyond all renown

GL out there soldier

[charred yarrow]

bro i leveled this bad boi today

[safe heart]

Doesn't matter (apparently)

[charred yarrow]

does it matter what pieces i buy for bloody tokens?

[safe heart]

I think feral just wins for free

So pick anything

[gloomy nova]

@charred yarrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW_Wpq3dFW8

[charred yarrow]

but they changed the talent tree no?

[livid wasp]

feral wins for free?

[charred yarrow]

wow

[safe heart]

That's what they say

Yeah look at that

There's a snupy guide
That'll do the trick

[livid wasp]

youre 1.9k nice

getting big

thats where im stuck

[safe heart]

Yeah made a lil bit of progress last night

Only comp that really fucks us up is ele comps

[livid wasp]

same

[safe heart]

I still have 4 green slots

[polar nymph]

Got spare bloody tokens?

Can fill those in with that

[gloomy nova]

aoe: CcGAvcQZXENQPQXqed372Hg2KCAAAAAAmZbWMzGzYmZb2YsMzMz8AzMAAAAAALBMDMMzMTzMGzMzY2mxsxAAAAAAAYgBAAEgAgZbmlmtZW2gxAA

st: CcGAvcQZXENQPQXqed372Hg2KCAAAAAAmZbWMzCzYmZb2YsMzMjZmBAAAAAYJYMDMMzMTmxYmZGz2MmNGAAAAAAADMAAgA0MbzyMz2Mbzs0sNzyGMGAA

[safe heart]

0

[polar nymph]

[safe heart]

Cba leaving town bro

[livid wasp]

imagine if they put the AH mount as the cureduchenne thing

the disease would be cured by now

[vestal citrus]

cureduchenne

[livid wasp]

you know, the charity thing

atm theres the reven pack

[sinful canyon]

yo is this set something i would be able to obtain now?

I saw on wowhead the shoulders can possibly be a drop from an item u buy from vashreen

https://www.wowhead.com/item=148960/demonic-gladiators-dragonhide-spaulders

not sure if this is correct tho

[vestal citrus]

u should be able to buy the set

in legion where the portals are

there is a vendor up teh back

its non elite so should still be avail for like 12 marks of honor

[safe heart]

im doing the bloody token quest and dude this is the dumbest thing ever

[sinful canyon]

thank you!!!

[frail anchor]

#showtooltip Tiger's Fury
/cancelform [nostealth]
/cast Tiger's Fury

is this a good macro or does it bug out randomly?

[safe heart]

what is that meant to do bro

tf puts you in cat form by default

[frail anchor]

i shifts me out of form

and then tigers fury puts me back into it

it will auto clear slows on me when i TF

[safe heart]

yes

because you are cancelling any form ur in

then casting tigers fury

which automaticlaly puts you in cat form

you dont even need the cancel form part

it does nothing

[frail anchor]

tigers fury removes the roots and slows?

[safe heart]

no

shifting forms does

[frail anchor]

does cancelform stuff also do it too?

[safe heart]

but tigers fury will auto shift you into cat if you arent already

yes

any time you go to a different form, it clears roots and slows

[frail anchor]

ah kk, the reason i made this macro was because i wanted to use it in cat form

so that it would shift me out, clear any slows, and then put me in with tf

im just too lazy to press cancelform lol

i was wondering if this is buggy or anything

is macroing cancelform into abilities buggy?

[safe heart]

i mean
it sounds like its doing exactly what youre telling it do

i dont really get why you want this macro at all

its such a weird way to clear a root

[frail anchor]

maybe i should just get used to cancel form

[safe heart]

you dont have to cancel specifically

[frail anchor]

tigers fury is nice because its off the global

[safe heart]

you can just shift into anything

[frail anchor]

so u can clear a root without using up a gcd

[safe heart]

yeah

and waste ur tiger fury

[frail anchor]

oh no i'd only use this when i want to use tf

its basically a free root/ slow break whenever u tf

has to be worth

for no mental effort

[safe heart]

yea guess it doesnt hurt

to answer ur question

its not buggy

its doing exactly what you told it to do

cancel ur form (whatever it may be)
than cast tiger fury ( automatically shifts you to cat )

[frail anchor]

i think i might be double pressing it or something, which caused my initial issue

[random patrol]

rogue duels me and proceeds to die in his duel

good rogue

slash s

[frail anchor]

if only rogues had a button that removed all their bleeds and made them basically immune to physical dmg

[random patrol]

rogue dying to chicken he will prob hunt me down next time I run into him

good

[sinful canyon]

bro what is up with this sparks of war quest

[late wraith]

is it still resetting lol

you have to do it all at once without logging off basically

[spring gazelle]

how the fuck do we play against affliction locks as feral

1800 and i never win against afflocks

[random patrol]

leveling third chicken

I have problems

[safe heart]

I don't have any problems with aff

Try just triple dr stunning on incarn, playing curse dispel

[minor glen]

for engineering goggles

how do i control the secondary stat

[clear pulsar]

There's 'gears' instead of missives

Cogwheel* @minor glen

Mastery is Impeccable Cogwheel

[minor glen]

ty!

and its 3 of the conquest heraldry right ?

[clear pulsar]

Should be 5

For helm

3 for wrists

[lost sun]

A questions for the Boomies out there

In BGs when you play with Starweaver, do you press your buttons according to what procs you get during your burst windows?

I feel like I could do more pressure if I just spam Starfall and use my Starburst stacks in a short window rather than playing around the starweaver procs

[viscid remnant]

Pluh

[digital plank]

How does the nerf to Feral hit the spec itself and does it make now balance the better choice?

balance slightly buffed but feral nerfed

[polar nymph]

Instead of killing everything in 2 secs you'll kill it in 1.9 secs.

[charred yarrow]

thats the wrong way around

also whats the achiev that gives a conquest wep for free?

[thorny pawn]

Forged weapons of Conquest: get 2500 conq

then you receive tokens in mailbox that you can trade to conq merchant

[charred yarrow]

is account bound or can i get it on each char?

[thorny pawn]

each char

[charred yarrow]

big

[thorny pawn]

yes but some specs prefer crafted wep because of embelish

[charred yarrow]

and feral?

[thorny pawn]

i think crafted

[charred yarrow]

woah for real? damn

[thorny pawn]

nvm feral its half and half

you can check gear on murlok.io

https://murlok.io/druid/feral/3v3

[charred yarrow]

which slots are tier? is it head, chest, hands and pants?

[thorny pawn]

shoulder, chest, hands and pants

[charred yarrow]

so my crafted pieces should be back/waist/feet/wrist?

[thorny pawn]

well people are going for bloody token gear aswell

[charred yarrow]

i have some yeah

[thorny pawn]

check the site i sent you, give you a rough idea of bis and flex

its compiled data from top players of the spec

[charred yarrow]

ill craft some boots seems like ppl are doing that

[strange hawk]

Is feral good in BGB? Or does Boomkin take the edge because being ranged and blasting in the back?

[charred yarrow]

btw the nr1 feral on that list u sent isnt even using an embelishment

[thorny pawn]

he is

elemental focusing lens

[charred yarrow]

oh is it the ring?

i had never seen that before guess thats on me

[thorny pawn]

be careful checking one player, i feel like the site is better as a median data center

because it only considers current gear/talents

some talents are matchup/comp dependent or question of preference

orange is always played, purple is flex and white is anecdotal

but for example on feral you can see that pvp talents are heavily flexed on 3rd slot

[thorny pawn]

i can't tell you for sure but boomkin as always been really strong in bg, feral is better atm tho

i guess play what you pref, i don't think you can really go wrong either way

top players are evenly split in BGB feral and boomie, play what you pref

[strange hawk]

Fair; makes sense. Thanks

[thorny pawn]

no worries

[charred yarrow]

opener for feral is rake > moonfire > slash > rip > adaptive?

and when do i pop cooldowns? can i macro some of them?

[thorny pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/@snupy

haven't played feral in a bit, this guy is reliable source

[charred yarrow]

yeah i just hate video guides

[thorny pawn]

sorry about that but i'm afraid i'll tell you dogshit infos

[livid wasp]

its like tf > inca > rake > FF > moonfire to proc BT > rip

and swarm

[livid wasp]

then again im shit at this feral

[charred yarrow]

ff?

oh feral frenzy

doesnt that mean i super overcap on combo points?

[safe heart]

yes but you need to press rake to stun on the opener, and you need to press ff asap and you also need to proc bt for rip

incarn stores your overcapped combo points

[charred yarrow]

how comes pressing ff asap is important?

isnt it better to save it and use it when i get lower on points?

[safe heart]

it does a good amount of damage

its not used specifically for generating cbs

[charred yarrow]

ah alrighty

im using some plater profile that looks like this, anybody know how to turn off the clones being big as hell?

messing up my targetting :(

[safe heart]

maybe u canturn off minions or something like that

[charred yarrow]

dunno i cant seem to figure it out

also i keep seeing ppl saying to use omnicd addon but it doesnt exist

[safe heart]

you can use ability team tracker

its the same thing pretty much

[charred yarrow]

alrighty ill try that one

[safe heart]

omni bar and ATT

[charred yarrow]

and i forgot what nameplates ppl recommended to show enemy cds and drs

[strong aspen]

will dream of cenarius build be viable after this weeks patch?

[charred yarrow]

omni bar doesnt seem to do anything on my screen ill be honest

[safe heart]

did you configure it at all

it doesnt work out of the box

tmk

[charred yarrow]

i dont even know what its supposed to do but ill look soon

[safe heart]

it tracks the enemy's cds

you track their walls, offensives, kicks etc

but you have to pick and choose what to track

[charred yarrow]

holy shjit do i need to put in every spell id?

[safe heart]

no

you click a check bx

[charred yarrow]

i checked show unused icons and it only shows kick nothing else

[robust vigil]

Has anyone seen glitches with rated pvp wins/losses/rating

I was starting to gear and play my warlock this week. And I was doing BG blitz everyday for the daily conquest reward.

And I didn't do many. I think I was like 5 wins out of 7 played with 900 rating or something

But I logged on today and it's saying I'm 0/4 with 0 rating

And I know I'm not delusional I've won at least a few so far for my daily reward

This is what it shows on WoW armory 5/7

but in game it says 0

[clear pulsar]

Blitz and Shuffle are spec-specific rating

Swap to affliction and see what it says

[robust vigil]

ohhhh

I was on destro for pve

thats probably it tyvm

[safe heart]

click the spells tab

[charred yarrow]

but there i just gotta choose from every spell?

also hows this look like when in a bg?

[safe heart]

yes

its gunna look horrendous in a bg

cuz theres 10 ppl all with their own cds

it will basically be worthless in a bg tbqh

[charred yarrow]

i suppose yeah

[safe heart]

you might be ableto use the visibility tab or something to help make it work in a BG but honestly no clue cuz in bgs i dont care about tracking anything on the other team

[charred yarrow]

yeah ill just move it for bgs

[sudden glen]

Why dont i get the pvp quest thing after a skirmish win? I recently dinged

[safe heart]

think u gotta accept it from the pvp guy

[sudden glen]

Weird cant see anyquest

[grand mesa]

warmode

[safe heart]

hey puzzle

are u gunna have time to level enjar today

[robust vigil]

Is repentance instant cast still?

[safe heart]

was it ... ever?

[robust vigil]

When I played repentence was instant cast. Idk if it still is. But if so it seems crazy that it doesn't have a cooldown. To cast a cyclone I have to risk spell locking myself.

But I feel like the DRs must be fucked on it cause I swear I sit in full duration repentences all game. I just got out of a shuffle and the enemy pally healer had me in a 5 second repentance every 30 seconds

I still went 3-3 but it seems broken as fuck

[clear pulsar]

It's not instant

[clear pulsar]

DR is standardized for every CC except knockbacks. It's full -> halves -> quartered -> immune, and it lasts 18s after the last CC of that type expired.

[grand mesa]

DR refreshes like every 24s or so

[robust vigil]

That's insane

[robust vigil]

That's good at the very least

[shy snow]

think it was instant in cata for ret? not entirely sure

[robust vigil]

I quit in cataclysm and it was instant the entire time I played. So that's a pretty long time

[shy snow]

ye it was instant with a CD

but no, its not anymore

[viscid remnant]

back in classical

[safe heart]

that was 100 years ago

thats like asking if the sun still orbits around earth

[grand mesa]

If u see the hpal running at you on horsey to hoj and u know u got no outs prebear the hoj

They can’t rep out

tree form u can get repped which always felt weird to me but whatever

[robust vigil]

Awesome advice thank you

[robust vigil]

Well you said "did it ever" and it did for 9 years of the 20 year game. Almost 50% of wow duration so I don't think my question was that unreasonable

[safe heart]

i started playing in bfa so the game didnt even exist until that point bruv, idk what to tell you

im the main character of my life

repentance being instant cast was not cannonn in the plot

[robust vigil]

😂

[safe heart]

i didnt want to break it to you this way

[robust vigil]

I just think it's cracked I've been literally living inside repentence and if it was instant cast I was going to be pissed

Cause I have to at least make myself vulnerable to spell lock to get a clone off

[clear pulsar]

I miss shadow school Swarm every day that I'm alive

[safe heart]

the new icon for swarm is goated

did they change swarm to nature?

[wanton ridge]

it was always nature but ye the icon is badass

uh was it shadow before? TIL

[viscid remnant]

REAL

also swarm on rdru

also fleshyc

blizzard just removed one of the few things that was good in shadowlands

[wanton ridge]

and then added evokers 🤮

[clear pulsar]

The covenant spell is still shadow.

[grand mesa]

It was shadow before yeah

[clear pulsar]

I think the talent used to be shadow until season 2 of DF?!

[grand mesa]

And I miss fleshyC more than ev

[wanton ridge]

I always just thought it was nature, damn, that sucks

[clear pulsar]

Was still shadow until may 2023

At least

Up to november even

So it must have been when they did the new visuals

10.2.5

[frail anchor]

do u guys pool energy before the stun or do u just let it rip when u have all the bleads up

[safe heart]

i just let it rip

i only pool energy if i need to get bt up and i didnt prep it

technically biting at low energy is kinda bad but idk, cba

[lime light]

q?

[tropic schooner]

@late wraith I have to keep going to the mailbox

I feel like such a pleb

[wanton ridge]

you know what you gotta do

[late wraith]

I keep going to the auction house

Then realizing my error

[wanton ridge]

Same lmao

[late wraith]

And getting super pissed off like what am I doing in here

I am above this

[tiny oar]

LMAO

[tropic schooner]

yea luckily im not doing such a scrub move

[wanton ridge]

I'm gonna make a weakaura that yells at me when I talk to the dornogal AH npc

[tropic schooner]

smh I dont even know where that one is

[late wraith]

What am I doing in this dingy little room I don’t belong in here

[tropic schooner]

same in valdrakken no clue where it is

I assume there is one

who knows

[late wraith]

I’m going to soil my expensive Italian leather shoes

I also have flown myself to the mailbox

[wanton ridge]

The real question, do you talk to the left or the right npc beavs

[late wraith]

And gotten mad at that as well

[tropic schooner]

the left better be the AH

[wanton ridge]

they are both the AH

[tropic schooner]

oh

[wanton ridge]

in the AH building

[late wraith]

I always talk to the one in the middle

[tropic schooner]

smh

meant on the ghetto longboi

[wanton ridge]

today I learned thre's one middle upstairs, wtf

[late wraith]

Ent what if it’s opposite from yours

You’re gonna hate that

[tropic schooner]

yes

yes I would

IS IT REVERSED?!

cause my bankers prolly still gonna use normal longboi

[late wraith]

Probably not but imagine if it is

People respect the ogs even more now. As if you all also didn’t spend an insane amount on that ugly wretched beast

[clear pulsar]

No cap that was the main reason I bought transmog yak

To have repair on same side on every character

I was not gonna let the dumb mammoth ruin my mental forever

[late wraith]

I bought mog bear

[clear pulsar]

You're part of the problem smh

[late wraith]

I am the problem

Wdym part of

[stray sigil]

ur old

[late wraith]

Yeah and I have money as a result

Be owned little broke kid

[stray sigil]

[wanton ridge]

@late wraith

This is gonna help the situation

[late wraith]

Send me that please

[wanton ridge]

its really cheap all it does is "are you mounted when the AH opens" then it displays that text if you are not mounted

[late wraith]

Genius

I’ll never embarrass myself again

I want an alarm to go off when I walk through the front door

[wanton ridge]

I think it could be done but it'd require much more work lol

like detecting xyz coordinates and check if you are at a specific spot

[clear pulsar]

Beavs do you do a lot of AHing?

[late wraith]

I do yeah

[clear pulsar]

Okey next time you're on ping me and I wanna show you something in game

[late wraith]

I will

[safe heart]

theres no way to say 100% i guess but there is a website where you see who ppl queued with

and if ur friend is terrible but he played with like a multi glad or something then obviously that might be a lil sketch i guess

i forget what its called

xenamate or something

if hes playing healer then it may not have been a boost

healers get that privledge where glad dps will pick them up so the queue button will ungrey

yeah that sounds like a boost

[strange hawk]

Report him

[safe heart]

unless he went from like 0-400cr ya know

[strange hawk]

Would be a fun prank to play on your friend

Oh, Thad is legit.

[safe heart]

i mean he got a boost

who cares

bro i forgot about that 2399

[clear pulsar]

What a banger

I was taking the message seriously

[tardy hare]

Yoooo Thaderyl alt account poggeeerrrrs

[safe heart]

anyone know why i cant SWITCH REALMS????

oh nvm therye all in one list i guess

[grand mesa]

Lmaooooo

The setup

[wanton ridge]

i got a similar one

[safe heart]

atleast it wasnt the cut off for an achieve lol

[frail anchor]

if u renewal in bear form, does that extra healing tansfer over to cat form?

[wanton ridge]

true true lol

mine was so long ago I don't even think we sent humans to the moon yet when it happaned

[safe heart]

is gold able to be xferred across realm if its the same account

[late wraith]

Yes

Put it in your warband bank

[safe heart]

i wanna move daggerspine gold to stormrage

does it matter cross faction?

where is the warband bank

[wanton ridge]

in your bank, theres a tab at the bottom

[clear pulsar]

It's meaningless

It's just % based

Only looks bigger on details breakdown

[late wraith]

Warband bank is shared across all characters on the entire account regardless of faction or server

[frail anchor]

i see, so when u shift into bear and are healed to 80%, does that put you into 80% in cat form when u shift back?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[cold bay]

f2f confirmed clicks frames

[frail anchor]

oh dam

does that mean that u are harder to heal when in bear form? since u have more stamina, healers have to heal more for each % of hp

[clear pulsar]

Right

Yes

In that sense

[frail anchor]

still def worth to bear, but u shouldnt be in it for long right?

is it usually like, bear frenzied, and once frenzied is done u swap back if u are somewhat healthy?

[safe heart]

pretty much

just pre bear stuns

stay in it long enough for regen

[frail anchor]

kk

[safe heart]

sitting in bear form basically does nothing to save you

[frail anchor]

ah i see

[safe heart]

youre really not tankier by any substantial amount

youre just losing hella pressure

[frail anchor]

oh bet i thought it made u tanky

i guess the value is just the extra hp, for stuns

and then regen when u can

but after that u are harder to heal & ur doing 0 dam

[safe heart]

you have more hp and armor so it helps some if you can just press it before you get stunned or something

but like sitting in bear form for more than like 5 seconds means youre just losing and wasting time

[frail anchor]

kk bet

[charred yarrow]

where is vendor for the weps i get with achiev?

[maiden viper]

it's the conquest vendor

the foregrounds

[charred yarrow]

it straight up isnt

[safe heart]

theres a couple vendors there bruv

[maiden viper]

you have to get the tokens from the mail first

[charred yarrow]

oh i didnt know that

thought it was like a currency

[maiden viper]

well it is, but in the form of 2 tokens you can exchange

then the conq cost changes to the token cost

[viscid remnant]

its

wait

wym

ye mail thing

what they said

[maiden viper]

once you spend your tokens the cost of the weapons changes back to conquest again

[charred yarrow]

yeah got it now thx

does feign death drop dots?

[safe heart]

no

mending bandage will

[charred yarrow]

ah

[safe heart]

dwarf racial does

evokers can remove them also

bop removes them

[charred yarrow]

what am i doing wrong

[clear pulsar]

I dont know

[charred yarrow]

same i picked this spec up yesterday ive got no clue

do i bite if im less than 5 points?

[safe heart]

only if u have an apex proc

ur damage looks fine except for lowish rip uptime

[charred yarrow]

guess ill have to fix something that tracks that

enemy ferals looked diff

[safe heart]

what was ur dps

[charred yarrow]

im druere

he gets so much more dmg from frenz assault

[safe heart]

he just had a better incarn go than you

bite is normally not your top damage like that unless its a short game

[charred yarrow]

mh okay

opener from what i understood earlier is tiger+incarn in stealth > rake > ff>moonfire > rip > adaptive?

[safe heart]

you really cant discern anything just from this

[charred yarrow]

and after that i just slash and bite?

[safe heart]

swarm after ff

but yes

[charred yarrow]

i feel like i dont understand bloodtalons

nvm i understand it now

if im capped on points do i use bite even if i dont have it up right?

[safe heart]

yea

like

you want everything to be buffed by bt

but like its not always gunna be

esp during incarn

[charred yarrow]

yeah i think im messing up spamming only slash after the opener

so i dont get bt

[safe heart]

dont press like 3 generators at 5cb just to get bt first

you should be able to naturally keep bt up

[charred yarrow]

slash / shred and?

[safe heart]

the opener gives you bt for free, you spend 1 charge on rip, then your next 2 bites are chill

slash shred rake thrash and mf

you just weave them

i like thrash cuz it gives me a throwaway button so im not messing up rake snap shots

[charred yarrow]

guess ill bind thrash

[safe heart]

some ppl use it, some ppl dont

i personally think it makes using bt brainless so i prefer it esp since there arent many other nodes that id strongly prefer to have

[charred yarrow]

well i dont have it talented

[safe heart]

having thrash will help you keep bt up

but its not mandatory

[charred yarrow]

what i drop for it

[safe heart]

probably the bear stamina talent

or remove corruption

[charred yarrow]

bear stamina talent is it

okay its gonna take a while to get the hang of this, im eating so many combo points but eventually ill get it

ive also got no clue how resteathling works, i cant ever do it cause ive got some kinda dot on me

[safe heart]

theres not usually a reason for you to restealth unless ur just melding for a quick rake stun

[charred yarrow]

i also just kinda panic when someone pops bop/evasion/turtle and swap and fuck up my damage buttons

[safe heart]

yeah when they pop those, just clone that guy and hit someone else

then swap the clone on the healer

[charred yarrow]

right i dont even have cyclone bound

[safe heart]

bro WHAT

[charred yarrow]

bro i picked this spec up yesterday

hit 80 before i went to sleep yesterday

ive got 0 clue what im doing thats why im here being a dumbass

[safe heart]

you gotta bind cyclone

[charred yarrow]

i have now

[safe heart]

thats one of the main strong points of playing druid in general

[charred yarrow]

do you guys double stun in opener?

after the rip they always fear me

[charred yarrow]

im in double melee comp, there is literally nothing except for my cyclone to kick im never gonna get it off

[safe heart]

You gotta juke but sometimes yes it won't be reasonable

[robust vigil]

This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but are keybinds as significant on abilities with cast times?

I understand the significant of keybinds on instant cast abilities. Your rejeuv and life loom are keybound so you can cast HoTs while you're moving around a pillar and your rake, and shred are on keybinds so that you focus on movement and stay on your target.

But unless youre a shaman you can't cast while walking and have to come to a complete stop to cast a cyclone

So I guess why is it so significant to have cyclone on a bind. Abilities with cast times have never seemed as significant of a priority to bind to me for some reason

[safe heart]

Because clicking ur spells is slow as fuck

Using a keybind means you can do your action asap

And what if you need to juke

Now your hovering your mouse on a button the whole time

And what if you're smart and use 123 binds

[tropic schooner]

imo biggest deal is camera movement

[robust vigil]

I use 1 2 3 for cat, bear and travel

[safe heart]

Arena1 arena2 arena3 bruv

Stay with me here

I have clone on 4 keybinds

[gloomy nova]

If u dont have a cool transmog none of this matters

prio 1

[robust vigil]

True

[safe heart]

Keybinding is about speed and accuracy of doing the action and not tying up your mouse that is managing ur movement

[robust vigil]

Yeah I have arena targets keybound. But I don't know if it feels faster using those keybinds then just clicking the little green raid frames. They both feel about equally clunky

[tropic schooner]

if you are good at clicking it isnt necessarly slower

its just suboptimal

[gloomy nova]

Yes it is

[tropic schooner]

kinda like mouseover

[tropic schooner]

no its not

[safe heart]

Yea there's a guy who got r1 or whatever by clicking
So I'm wrong

Next question

[gloomy nova]

What are u talking about? /cast [target=arena1] Cyclone <-- Anything but this is slower, no matter what u say

[tropic schooner]

you can have that macro and click it?

[gloomy nova]

Yeah

[tropic schooner]

like there are situations where it for sure is slower

[gloomy nova]

Clicking will ALWAYS be slower

[robust vigil]

So to me alot of the shift and control modified keyboard keybinds feel uncomfortable. I use a 12 button mouse. And of those 12 I use about 9 for binds and then I shift modify the same 9 so that's 18

[safe heart]

I can press z before you can click it

[gloomy nova]

stop being dumb

[tropic schooner]

but hardcasted spells

arent it

[gloomy nova]

Dude stop it

clicking spells is always slower

[tropic schooner]

nope

[robust vigil]

Then I use 1-4 for druid forms like cat and travel

[gloomy nova]

are u a teenage girl?

Explain your reasoning then

Because ur statement is dumb

[robust vigil]

R F C D X for things like CC. Trinkets, and oh shit buttons

[safe heart]

If clicking takes you one second, it probably takes me half a second to press a keybind

[robust vigil]

Dude some of the keyboard keybinds are less comfortable and more clunky than clicking for me

[safe heart]

Then click ur spells bro

[robust vigil]

I use a mouse for most

[safe heart]

If clicking works for you then good

[robust vigil]

And I do about 25-30 keybinds

But generally I click my cyclones and I click raid frame targets

Even though they are set keybinds

[gloomy nova]

You should get used to using some binds tbh

[robust vigil]

I use 90% binds

But I'm not 100%

[safe heart]

What does ur S button do rn

[robust vigil]

Stealth

[safe heart]

Almost had ya there

[robust vigil]

S stands for stealth 🙂

Is it your first day

[gloomy nova]

If 90% of your spells are binds, u shouldnt really ask/question the need for binds 😉

[robust vigil]

Well I have never felt like there was an advantage for hard cast spells

But I was asking specifically so I could get answers like the one enji provided

He brought up a good point about Jukes

[safe heart]

There's like 3-4 bullet points about why clicking is not the optimal play but if you're not sold then so what works

[stray sigil]

bruh plenty of people dont even use a123

u dont need it lol

[gloomy nova]

u dont NEED to do anything

[stray sigil]

i never once used those and got 3k who cares

[safe heart]

Fuji doesn't have a123 and it shows

[robust vigil]

Nah I mean I think I know keybinds are the way to go. I wish I could play with ,100% binds and feel comfortable and I'm not there yet.

[stray sigil]

i legit clicked frames used only focus macros

well not frames

[tropic schooner]

its a lot about convenience

[stray sigil]

but nameplates

[safe heart]

I think you should rebind ur forms from 123 tbh

[tropic schooner]

clicking well, even a few spells is a lot more effort

its just easier to use keybinds

[gloomy nova]

3k what?

[stray sigil]

cr in 3s

[robust vigil]

What's a good recommendation for my dru forms

[tropic schooner]

I dont use arena 1-3 either and got 2.7

I use focus

and swap it

[gloomy nova]

so u are clicking on a frame and then kick/cc/whatever?

[tropic schooner]

nope

[stray sigil]

i used to be a arena rbg player arena123 useless for me never got it

[stray sigil]

nameplates

[safe heart]

I use q e f but 123 should be like , your spammable buttons

[stray sigil]

i have focus macros and im dast with clicking nameplates

[safe heart]

Scroll wheel is good

[robust vigil]

My spammables are all on my mouse binds dog

[tropic schooner]

like for hardcasted spells

you have anything between 1 to 2s time

its very possible to move your mouse to the button you know where its at and click it

I highly recommend against doing that

[robust vigil]

I use F D C X R T for CC like mighty bash, or kick/gouge on rogue

Or trinket

[tropic schooner]

because it requires a lot more speed and precision but its absolutely doable

[stray sigil]

ok clicking spells is def not it

[gloomy nova]

I mean talking in general terms, clicking to cast spells in any way is less effective/slower than having a macro. If something works for you by your standard, fine. Its not the odds that make an arguement invalid.

[stray sigil]

i thought he meant clicking frames or something

[tropic schooner]

but whats the difference?

[safe heart]

No he said clicking cyclone

[tropic schooner]

if youd click your arena 1-3

or click on frames

cyclone arena 1-3*

[stray sigil]

cuz i assume hed have 2 clicks then

click frame

[tropic schooner]

why?

[stray sigil]

click clone

[tropic schooner]

dont need to

can just do one click

with cyclone arena 1 macro for example

[stray sigil]

i suppose

but then why not just bind clone and click frame lol

[tropic schooner]

like essentially you DO click (some stuff) its really not as big of a deal

[stray sigil]

clicking bars is def awful

for movement

[gloomy nova]

Moving your mouse to the actionbar to click on a cyclone macro is the 2nd slowest/dumbest way

[tropic schooner]

might not want to have the frame overloaded, like you wanna see DRs for example and dont hide with your mouse

[stray sigil]

also idk how he manages to proc a precog while clicking his bars

[tropic schooner]

again, im not advocating to do that

[stray sigil]

seems entirely dogshit

[tropic schooner]

but it really isnt that much different to what you are doing

[gloomy nova]

There is

a big differance

[tropic schooner]

which is?

[stray sigil]

there kinda is a difference to what i do and clicking bars

hes locking himself harder

[tropic schooner]

you can move your bars

[stray sigil]

clicking bars

[tropic schooner]

no

[stray sigil]

yes he is

[tropic schooner]

you can move them to whereever he needs to

[robust vigil]

I did not mean to start a riot in here

[gloomy nova]

@tropic schooner It feels like ur just taking the position to "be against" for no logical reason

[tropic schooner]

nope

[gloomy nova]

Yes it does

[tropic schooner]

okay I dont fucking care what you think

[gloomy nova]

Because what ur saying makes no sense

it seems u cant even understand 1+1

from what ur saying

Dont u understand you have to MOVE YOUR CURSOR alot more by clicking actionbars?

[tropic schooner]

you are just an idiot, thats fine

[gloomy nova]

eat dick

[safe heart]

I like these arguments where no one wants to be convinced of anything

[robust vigil]

So really quick

[safe heart]

Spidey this was a sick bait

[robust vigil]

Before we digress too far

[safe heart]

I'm proud

[gloomy nova]

This guy has no clue

its like explaining how babies are made

to a 4 yo

[tropic schooner]

lol

I have had this position for years sure you can disagree with that but saying that im just against is not it

mouseover unit frames/clicking frames to me is the same as clicking (some) spells

[gloomy nova]

Unless you are the 0,1% add weirdos your cursor is somewhere around the middle of the screen. This by default makes it easier to click a nameplate than an actionbar. Also your eyes have to move down to the actionbar to click the actionbar.

if u dont understadn that

[tropic schooner]

and neither is a gigantic deal, assuming you plan around it

[gloomy nova]

ur dumb af

[tropic schooner]

YOU CAN MOVE YOUR ACTIONBAR

holy shit you are dumb

[gloomy nova]

TO WHERE? in the middle of the fuckign screeen?

[robust vigil]

Yeah I play with my action bars pretty high up

[stray sigil]

i mean nobodys gonna put bars next to enemy nameplates

[robust vigil]

I'll try and find a SC

[stray sigil]

so ur gonna move more for aure

[gloomy nova]

@tropic schooner "regular" title. Regular moron for sure

[robust vigil]

This is rogue not druid but druid is similar

[stray sigil]

thats not close to nameplates still lol

[gloomy nova]

@stray sigil Dont bother.

Its a lost cause

[robust vigil]

@stray sigil so you said you reached 3k without using arena 123 binds

Do you recommend making 3 separate macros for cyclone then

[gloomy nova]

It doesnt matter what he was able to do

[robust vigil]

I'm just asking for his advice

[gloomy nova]

You should listen to what is generally best for everyone and then adapt abit to whats comfortable for you

What the 0,1% odd do is usually just for the 0,1%

Clickerdh is 2.4+ cr right now clicking almost all his spells

Langneur is using turnkeys to move his char

like there are the odd things that work for ppl

it doesnt mean u should do it

[safe heart]

If you ask me , 123 cyclone and root is mandatory

[robust vigil]

Yeah alot of the normal bind recommendations haven't worked for me so that's one of the reasons I'm asking, it doesn't mean I don't use any but I don't like having tons of alt, shift, and control modifiers on keyboard binds

[gloomy nova]

If ur a druid not using cyclone 1,2,3 with a macro u will always be on a disadvantage. And that applies to basically every ability, at least those pressed alot

(a macro with a bind)

[robust vigil]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[gloomy nova]

But u dont need to bind every fking ability to 1,2,3 tho 😛

I dont. I have target macros for 1,2,3 and some i just swap target to use

[stray sigil]

i had 2

normal clone and focus clone thats it

[safe heart]

I think I got glad before I switched to 123 tbh

Can't remember

[velvet quest]

So you’re saying you had more success before going to 123 binds

I found the problem

[stray sigil]

the real problem is he hasnt qd with pistachio yet

[livid wasp]

I dont feel the need for 123 binds I think there are many more problems before that

[velvet quest]

Pistachio level 80 now 👀

[grand mesa]

👀

[safe heart]

Enjarr is level 80 so you don't need to level him now

I need you to level wizkenji though

[livid wasp]

enji start farming blitz

its the most free way to elite

[safe heart]

No

I already wrote off shuffle completely

And blitz was even further from my mind

If I'm not queuing 3s I'm straight up not logging in

Pushing 99 on d2 ladder

[livid wasp]

worst thing about blitz is I cant get a queue pop at 1 am at 2.7k mmr

[safe heart]

Zechy I'd go as far as if I didn't have a team cuz they boot me or find someone better or whatever , I'd just stop trying completely

I am at the zen state of cba

[livid wasp]

I dont understand that sentence maybe im having a stroke

[safe heart]

I am officially at the point where if there's games I'll play but if there's not, I could log out and forget about it and not care

[livid wasp]

I kinda had that too but I find myself doing absolutely nothing so I just queue

[safe heart]

You should just play diablo 2

[livid wasp]

idk

I get more dopamine from looking at a wall

[haughty nova]

Play a real PvP game

The auction house

[livid wasp]

im not smart enough

[safe heart]

I am sorts trying to learn to duel in d2

[strange hawk]

This season doesn’t feel exciting at all.

[robust vigil]

I don't know what's my greatest enemy, getting 4x caster lobbies in shuffle or my 13 FPS (wish I was exaggerating)

[random patrol]

the regen fix tomorrow is great sadly I doubt the other pvp changes will matter people don't take rejuv for it's healing(obv decurse after it)

now if you could rejuv without dropping chicken form

[static steeple]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/natures-swiftness-macro-takes-you-out-of-bear-or-cat-form-to-cast/1994992

anyone else notice this?

if you cause NS and regrowth separately, you stay in cat/bear form like before

now when you macro it, it puts you in caster form. at first i thought i accidentally changed my macro and was too lazy to look into it

[frail anchor]

do you have a second of guaranteed stealth when u press stealth or does it break immideatly if u take any source of dmg
and if u have a power word shield, do u still stay in stealth?

also is it worth it to use every natures swiftness proc?

[polar nymph]

Absorb shields stop indirect damage like dots from removing stealth but not direct damage.

[frail anchor]

is there a way to open with bloodtalons already up?

i feel like theres some weird interactions with it

[safe heart]

No

You can sometimes proc bt from just pressing thrash or slash because of weirdness but when the gates open its gunnna reset

[wanton ridge]

technically couldn't you do like thrash->slash->prowl and rake before the button sequences timeouts

on tindral prog in df the play was to thrash/slash air before landing so you could get BT up asap, good times (not)

[clear pulsar]

How are you going from

Thrash slash behind pillar/gate

To prowling and raking someone in less than 3s

[stray sigil]

theres a bug feature