im unsure about quing blitz now
#pvp
livid wasp
lone siren
so apart from ele shamans, is the game still buggy now? How bout the cancelcast-casts etc?
viscid remnant
im qing 2s and its mostly fine so far ?
bm does insane dmg but its 2s
mgith be fine to play notsure
robust vigil
As far as I know asencdence is bugged for shamans, and applying all 6 flame shocks/ lava burst to a single target if they are the only targets around
Also there are some bug exploits with MM and BM hunter rn
I don't know if rDruid feels weak because everyone else got buffed and damage is just crazy rn. But I can't really keep up with damage like I could even a few days ago. BGs are mostly fine. But shuffle just feels like you have to do everything perfect and even then someone might die if you're CCd for 4 seconds
clear pulsar
Yeah I felt the same. It was hard to tell if my spec felt weak or if every healer feels weak against all the ele shamans, hunters, and sub rogues triple critting eviscerates for 8M total damage in stun lock
livid wasp
davids got balls
sweet stirrup
Anyone have an updated boomie PvP Talents w/ the new changes?
clear pulsar
@vestal citrus
grave sinew
Anyone have an updated boomie PvP Talents w/ the new changes?
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sweet stirrup
you are a gentleman and a scholar!
grave sinew
arena is using elune's chosen now
never press starfall
bg nothings changed really
except for mushrooms being passive now which feels a lot better imo
viscid remnant
<@&114146878353833984>
viscid remnant
@shy snow
quartz marsh
Davitz
viscid remnant
why is he banned
opal sluice
he shouldn't be
viscid remnant
opal sluice
I manually banned and unbanned him again, if he is still banned its because he share ip with someone on the banlist
viscid remnant
Ok boss
viscid remnant
Someone posted a bad word and i pinged mods
clear pulsar
Oh
robust vigil
I missed the fun stuff
safe heart
here ill say what he said so we can relive it
robust vigil
grabs popcorn 
viscid remnant
Plz be positive
safe heart
blizzard is absolutely fucking trolling mewith this annivesary shit
shy snow
Plz be positive
okie dokey š
wary stirrup
The guy that flamed feral players was right
Much like jesus they hated him because he spoke the truth
wary stirrup
I dont care i press sac and feral is useless
shy snow
its also funny cause wow classes are like that on rotation, before was dh
wary stirrup
Just saying
viscid remnant
No ice
clear pulsar
Mages are just pissed cuz fire isnt S++++++ for the 27th straight season and they're forced to play boring frost
shy snow
ah that guy played mage? lmao, how can you complain
sick wren
CYGAvcQZXENQPQXqed372Hg2KCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALjCmZGzwMDYGMzY2MswwsMzyMzixMzMmNzyM...
so I haven't played in years, can you explain what these strings are? How do I use them?
grave sinew
so I haven't played in years, can you explain what these strings are? How do I u...
Open talent tree, bottom left corner thereās an import option, just paste that string
sick wren
is there an addon I need for that, or is that Blizz implemented? Thanks for the help, btw.
sick wren
Thanks! I'll try it out when I log on. Doing RBGs this weekend.
grave sinew
As long as you donāt get bullied by DKs, boomy feels great in rbgs
especially with new passive mushrooms
if you get lucky with procs it feels pretty good
sick wren
If I get gripped or something, I go bear, usually I make an escape and end up killing them, unless they are blood, can get tough at times. Last week I did not see many DKs in RBG.
But now with changes, I did feel a bit weak, gotta tweak some talents.
robust vigil
To the point when I think of fire mage I think PvE
wanton ridge
yes fire mage is the #1 wanted enemy
grave sinew
Wrong discord?
robust vigil
Mages are just pissed cuz fire isnt S++++++ for the 27th straight season and the...
That's so weird to me. I'm so out of the loop. I think I always associated frost with PvP cause of the snares. When I quit frost mage was giga Chad and when I joined frost mage was giga Chad. I had no idea until I read this comment that fire mage was ever the main mage pvp spec š
grave sinew
O ok sorry lol
clear pulsar
That's so weird to me. I'm so out of the loop. I think I always associated frost...
This idea of a 'pvp spec' hasnt been a thing since I started playing, probably not since MOP at least
grave sinew
If I get gripped or something, I go bear, usually I make an escape and end up ki...
Iāve been playing feral and just killing fcs/base sitters
Climbed to 2100
grave sinew
This idea of a 'pvp spec' hasnt been a thing since I started playing, probably n...
I feel like sub was a āpvpā spec for ages
sick wren
Iāve been playing feral and just killing fcs/base sitters
I'm usually the FC, but I go balance on some maps, but thinking of going feral (again, my starter intro to druid back in Legion).
robust vigil
This idea of a 'pvp spec' hasnt been a thing since I started playing, probably n...
From my recollection there were just specs that always seemed better in PvP than others. Like arms always seemed better in PvP and fury was mostly only seen in raiding ECT.
I didn't know if it was intentionally done by blizzard like a PvE spec and a PvP spec or not
clear pulsar
I feel like sub was a āpvpā spec for ages
I dont control how you feel
sick wren
I feel like sub was a āpvpā spec for ages
as a rogue, yeah, I was always asked to go sub in RBGs pre-Legion, but I also went combat (rip spec).
grave sinew
I dont control how you feel
Not really a feeling it genuinely just was never played in pve for a long time and still isnāt
Itās only ever played in pve when itās completely broken
polar nymph
That's so weird to me. I'm so out of the loop. I think I always associated frost...
For about half a decade.
clear pulsar
Sub was so dominant in a raid that it got shattered forever because the spec couldnt be balanced properly
sick wren
Mind you, as combat rogue I ninja capped so many bases, praised for that, too ā¤ļø good ol' days.
clear pulsar
But sub was plenty strong in m+ for many expansions now
Certainly better than assassination majority of the time
fiery trellis
how much does shred do of your overall dmg rn?
clear pulsar
Outlaw hit or miss
sick wren
thought outlaw was boss in m+
grave sinew
how much does shred do of your overall dmg rn?
Easiest response is just run a sim and check dmg details
sick wren
back to druids though, I do think I will try cat for a bit, but I am so used to boomie now.
fiery trellis
i don't play feral i'm trying to find out from one of yall
clear pulsar
Classic pvp sim ofc
robust vigil
For about half a decade.
I've been away for a full decade hahaha. That's still crazy to me
grave sinew
Feral is extremely strong atm
clear pulsar
Just run the pvp sim
fiery trellis
can anyone ball park it
polar nymph
I've been away for a full decade hahaha. That's still crazy to me
For the entirety of BfA and Shadowlands it was the only viable Mage spec in PvP outside of about 3 weeks.
fiery trellis
like if someone came into the ret disc and asked 'how much dmg is eye for an eye doing?'--i'd say like 3-10% based on targetting
clear pulsar
can anyone ball park it
5%
fiery trellis
ty ty
polar nymph
And that's literally.
grave sinew
Classic pvp sim ofc
Oddly aggressive mate, running a sim is going to give a much better example of someone just spouting a random number
polar nymph
Arcane and Frost weren't viable.
clear pulsar
Oddly aggressive mate, running a sim is going to give a much better example of s...
It's not random tho, you just play the spec and you see how much it does
maiden viper
hmm not to shit on mistweavers but what is rushing wind kick and why does it hit for 1.3m
robust vigil
Arcane and Frost weren't viable.
That's hard. It's nice mages have more options now
grave sinew
Thatās assuming youāre playing it correct, assuming good uptime
robust vigil
It sucks being pigeon holed into a spec
grave sinew
Assuming and guessing lots of things
clear pulsar
And a pve sim is assuming what?
robust vigil
I see all three specs of mages ATM
sick wren
It sucks being pigeon holed into a spec
I do what I want. I play what I want. I still make the cut. FC.
grave sinew
You are hitting a target with a near perfect rotation so you know ok this button should roughly be xyz number if given the opportunity
clear pulsar
Do you do napkin math after with all the 17 diff pvp modifiers for different spells and pvp talents?
grave sinew
Itās already a grey question
robust vigil
I do what I want. I play what I want. I still make the cut. FC.
Proud of you
clear pulsar
Simming PVE is not in the same universe of matching reality as giving you an average ballpark based on actually playing the game
grave sinew
Go hit a dummy for 5 minutes
polar nymph
Shred is for proccing Bloodtalons, not doing big damage.
grave sinew
Fix ya attitude first mate
wanton ridge
Can we shut up about sims and help me fix my mog
sims and mogs are kind of related due to the 5% damage a good xmog gives
polar nymph
Getting Face to stop acting like a smug douche to ppl is an impossible task.
Give up
That's just how he answers questions
But no one can accuse him of not knowing what he's talking about
clear pulsar
Loststray antagonizing me always validates my stance like nothing else
It really makes me feel like I'm being true to myself
I need better legs and feet for this
polar nymph
You assume I'm trying to antagonise you š
clear pulsar
Always
robust vigil
I need better legs and feet for this
I like the shoulders and chest and belt but the helmet seems too samurai/ monk vibes for druid unless that's the vibe you're intending on curating
clear pulsar
The helm and shoulder are a monk thing yeah. It's a trading post/mop remix transmog that was supposed to be class-specific
But this week they made it available for all classes of that armor type
So I'm trying
robust vigil
Oh nice.
I have yet to decide how I feel about the cross-class mog. But it will be nice to open more opportunities
wintry jackal
The mage MoP remix of kael thas is more fitting for a lock than mage imo
Mages donāt use fel magic
clear pulsar
polar nymph
bis Druid mog imo.
robust vigil
My druid MoGs are all boring NGL
polar nymph
If you're not Resto you can get away with it.
wary stirrup
Caring about mogs means you arent using all of your fucks to care about pvp
Weak
Thats why i play with no mogs like a gigachad
All my chars are naked
viscid remnant
bis Druid mog imo.
cuh what is this
viscid remnant
Thats why i play with no mogs like a gigachad
you sweat feces
wary stirrup
Sad!
viscid remnant
polar nymph
cuh what is this
Hello.
fiery trellis
is 5% rip dmg significant
robust vigil
I just rock the old PvP druid MOG from wrath ATM until I can farm new cool shit
clear pulsar
is 5% rip dmg significant
Rake* it's just 5%, but Rake is pretty large. The buffs are silly, but I think they imply there's heavier handed nerfs coming next reset maybe. If they were ok with current feral they woulda made these buffs pve-only.
safe heart
5% rip buff wouldve been dementia patient stole the codebase levels of insanity
but rake is pretty significant
formal wadi
is there a reason why every boomie is running denizen of the dream? it seems kinda low damage
clear pulsar
Idk if it got nerfed this patch but it seemed pretty good
Around 5%
Thats good for 1 talent
Fully passive so 0 opportunity cost
lone siren
anyone got a good 2v2 talenttree for resto?
viscid remnant
<@247410790083198976>
alleged
loud willow
Can anyone share talents for feral 2v2?
livid wasp
that fucking store longboi
this company
xaxaxaxa
78 euros
I wonder how many millions they will make from stupid people buying it
clear pulsar
livid wasp
pve and pvp both fucked with bugs but at least they made sure people can buy that mount
livid wasp
it's sad but early access still takes the cake
wanton ridge
I wonder how many millions they will make from stupid people buying it
It only cost 1.2/1.4mil gold to buy on NA, ngl I'll make that back so fast specially using that mount, xrealm flipping with no brutosaur sucked
livid wasp
we pay 13 a month, there should be no in game stores in the first place
wanton ridge
you don't have to buy it then
random patrol
1.4 is easy
like you can make that back in a few days
if your already got that kind of gold
velvet quest
u need the monocle to see him all the way down there
clear pulsar
I'm gonna be a good kitten and wait til the end of the month to see what my wallet looks like
velvet quest
I think itās 100% drop rate
viscid remnant
U know earlier
Feji was sayinf
Well actually
Face was saying
Bring the heat cuh bring the heat
And feji said 500 dmg feral pluh
velvet quest
Pluh no way cuh
livid wasp
there are people who spend money on onlyfans and people who spend money on mounts
both people I dont get
wanton ridge
is azure worldeater a rare drop
azure worldchiller? I think it's both
can drop from world bosses, and I saw it on vendor for 5k time badges
livid wasp
like sure can buy it with gold but you still indirectly support their rotten system that is in-game store
shy snow
the timing for the new mount is priceless
livid wasp
I remember 10th anniversary when all the non stop subs got sent a free statue by blizzard
quaint rapids
(og one looks way better)
livid wasp
this is blizzard 10 years later
our gift, a 78 euro mount
I cant wait for the day they add pay to win gear
it will come
we got a patch full of shitty bugs making the game unplayable but at least people are happy with buying the mount
wary stirrup
I remember when zechey locked in pluh
livid wasp
same
velvet quest
like sure can buy it with gold but you still indirectly support their rotten sys...
list 3 ways that the in game store impacts you negatively
late wraith
(og one looks way better)
clear pulsar
Found zechey NA alt
livid wasp
such a greedy ass company
velvet quest
generous actually, they let me have a practically unobtainable mount for just 90 dollars
late wraith
truuuuuue buy my ui pack that changes all your ui to gold if you have the paid brutosaur mount
livid wasp
the in game shit doesnt really directly affect me but they will the day youre gonna be able to buy bis shit with money
late wraith
it changes it to a paper bag if you don't
velvet quest
the in game shit doesnt really directly affect me but they will the day youre go...
gold is money, at many points in the past u could buy bis items with gold. not seeing where ur getting confused
livid wasp
cant wait for the game to be p2w
velvet quest
ill make sure i have a well paying job by then so i can afford all the nice things š
safe heart
the game is already pay to win
you can buy a glad carry
ksm carry
raid achievement carry
whateer thats called
probably world quest carry too
eiya selling those by the dozen
velvet quest
There have prob been a million sales done on solo content achievements like mage tower and that delve boss meanwhile zechey is gonna be mad thereās a new store mount, and act like this is the beginning of the end, unreal
livid wasp
woow I cant wait for the pvp trinket with amazing dragon fire breathing effect, only for 30e
lasts through all seasons so no reason not to get it
velvet quest
Yeah I canāt wait
livid wasp
theyre probably releasing next expansion next year or some shit
rushing these 3 they announced
same expansion price 2 week early access for 100e extra
clear pulsar
Not content to whine about the present
Zechey now imagines made up futures to whine about
livid wasp
making sure every patch is riddled with gamebreaking bugs because no time to test
livid wasp
gotta release it quickly or people unsub do it quick quick
velvet quest
Zechey I spent more gold on enchants and crafts for my pvp alts this season than I spent on the equivalent price for the brutosaur. Are you aware that gold can be converted into bnet balance and vice versa, and also that everything in the game costs gold?
Is it pay to win that Iāve spent like 2m gold on stuff that makes my characters stronger?
clear pulsar
Is it pay to win that Iāve spent like 2m gold on stuff that makes my characters ...
It may be, but it's also idiotic
livid wasp
someone had to buy those tokens
velvet quest
Tf you're spending 2m gold for
I make enough gold itās ok
velvet quest
My favorite zechey bit is when he becomes a victim on behalf of other people who he canāt relate to but assumes could be victims
So he presses intervene and makes himself the victim instead
late wraith
i love when zechey rages at air
velvet quest
Remember when he got mad about mop remix on behalf of potential hardcore mount farmers whoād have their efforts go to waste
late wraith
it's a slippery slope guys! it's a slippery slope! store has been in the game since when? and he thinks this mount vs all the other store mounts is the beginning of the end
velvet quest
Actually an all time great bit
late wraith
oh my god i forgot about that
you'd think he'd like this one because the og brutosaur you had to be in game gold rich to the extreme a thing he has also voiced hating
velvet quest
The mounts they worked so hard for are less prestigious now I HATE BLIZZARD for doing this to people
late wraith
and now if you want it you need to pay people to camp the bmah
clear pulsar
Remember when he got mad about mop remix on behalf of potential hardcore mount f...
That was a top 3 dreamgrove all time moments
velvet quest
I was like dang I guess Iām not a good enough mount farmer to feel impacted by this I need to step it up
Axtin probably close to 1000 by now 
wanton ridge
hell yeah dino gang. I'm hoping for some parades tonight in dornogal
robust vigil
me when i make up stories to get mad about
Heart react emoji
robust vigil
we're rp walk parading rn
I wish I was there š„²
wary stirrup
list 3 ways that the in game store impacts you negatively
This is such a disgustingly bad argument
You should be ashamed for even typing it
velvet quest
not ashamed, how can i feel shame while riding my luxury brutosaur mount
late wraith
This is such a disgustingly bad argument
can you name the 3 ways though?
wanton ridge
"blizzard bad" is probably the 3 ways
wary stirrup
Nah its a matter of principles and morals
Same way the nazi justice system in the mid 30s wasnt hurting anyone
It goes piece by piece
And if you just look at it step by step you wont find any wrongdoing since its always in relation to the previous step
But if you look at wow over a 20 year period youll see how respect and appreciation towards the consumer has all but dissipated
polar nymph
Oh boy that's a terrible argument
velvet quest
blizzard having a store for in game items = holocaust such a good argument holy shit trueeeeee
wary stirrup
And releasing store mounts with exclusive features for exorbitant sums is just the rnd game
End
Crazy argument
Completely ignored
Anything i daid
polar nymph
You use the Hitler argument you instantly lose the debate.
wary stirrup
And just went haha blizz shop are same as nazis hurrrrrr
Okay im sorry ill change hitler to amazon
Another perfect example of a company that was consumer oriented abusing their position imorally
polar nymph
You literally just used the slippery slope argument to bridge the gap between store mount and the nazi's.
wary stirrup
15 years ago for 80 euro i got starcraft 2 and played it for 10k hours
And youre gonna come here and tell me how its moral to post a mount for that same price tag
wary stirrup
You literally just used the slippery slope argument to bridge the gap between st...
Are you stupid?
Okay another example
polar nymph
Are you?
wary stirrup
Yes
Get on my level
Okay another example
Cs go lootboxed
Based on the principle of humans being addicts
And abusing the most vulnerable and those that cant afford it by getting them hooked on gambling
Is it legal?
Sure
polar nymph
A better argument would be to say that store items degrade in game rewards for content and could better be used to incentivise hard achievements, PvE content, etc.
polar nymph
New PvP rewards and such
polar nymph
Instead of slapping it on the store for $90
wary stirrup
A better argument would be to say that store items degrade in game rewards for c...
This i dont care about
polar nymph
Based on the principle of humans being addicts
This is a much much much better argument.
Than nazi justice systems.
wary stirrup
Imo all these mtx stores are just fronts to abuse people and trick them to spend money on something even though it has 1/10th of the value
Not blizz specific
Be it lootboxes in cs
Skins in league
Casinos with their 100yo scams
polar nymph
Usually it's to drive up lackluster expansion sales when they do them this early in to an xpac
wary stirrup
All the same to me
clear pulsar
But how far back are you trying to go to say this is a change of pace?
polar nymph
Or rather, compensate for lower than expected targets.
wary stirrup
But how far back are you trying to go to say this is a change of pace?
I remember when i got 10k hours from a game for 80 euro
clear pulsar
Cuz they've done promotions, limited time sales, store mounts as far back as like 2008 at least
wary stirrup
Blizzard c suite would sell their first borns for the power to actually make a quality game again like diablo 2 or warcraft 3
wary stirrup
Cuz they've done promotions, limited time sales, store mounts as far back as lik...
Yeah and in 2008 you saw your money being reinvested into making your experience better
For example gms
Human cs reps
Game didnt release with game breaking bugs
If it did
Those that abused it got absolutely hammered
By blizz
They cared
clear pulsar
Blizzard c suite would sell their first borns for the power to actually make a q...
This is the purest cope. If diablo 2 came out tomorrow you and everyone that can say nothing positive about anything in life would shit on it endlessly
For reasons beyond reckoning
wary stirrup
Hardly
Diablo 3 great game
Amazing game
But it took them 10 years after release
To get there
I am for the most part very objective about games
And d2 stood the test of time
I think saying im coping and id find the game dogshit is the actual cope
Mfer i started with wow pvp in 2023
With no prior experience
clear pulsar
I am for the most part very objective about games
This is just not a thing
chrome panther
I am for the most part very objective about games
How far up ur own ass are you my god
clear pulsar
No trust me, my assessment based on my expectations, preferences, experiences is purely objective
Other people that think differently are just biased
But not I
late wraith
Same way the nazi justice system in the mid 30s wasnt hurting anyone
i stopped right here cause holy hell
peak wasp
late wraith
you are not being owned nearly hard enough for comparing a paid store mount to nazi germany
viscid remnant
ADMIT YOU ARE POOR
chrome panther
If you ask nicely I'll buy you a mount
clear pulsar
Fun fact hitler was a boomie main
peak wasp
Fun fact hitler was a boomie main
rude
river solstice
Aināt no one gonna take someoneās takes serious with ādeez/nutsā in their profile
polar nymph
Fun fact hitler was a boomie main
I KNEW IT!
viscid remnant
no face
clear pulsar
viscid remnant
he was an afflilock main
polar nymph
Aināt no one gonna take someoneās takes serious with ādeez/nutsā in their profil...
I would š
river solstice
Use this instead face
river solstice
viscid remnant
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336625089132888064/1263244126627827813/ne...
fuji and puzzle calling eachother bald
river solstice
LOL
viscid remnant
Same way the nazi justice system in the mid 30s wasnt hurting anyone
?
is bro yellow condimented
naur way
brazen lake
Following thread for entertainment
rocky veldt
that was a real moment in gamer history we got to experience
viscid remnant
river solstice
I just wanna know what did blizzard have that was so consumer friendly
grand mesa
fuji and puzzle calling eachother bald
Why am I catching strays
viscid remnant
sorry cuh
polar nymph
Or brah
viscid remnant
clear pulsar
I typed cuh once and I felt like a yellow condiment
polar nymph
I can't believe Puzzle contributed to the nazi justice system.
clear pulsar
David is the worst
clear pulsar
polar nymph
mrow
viscid remnant
tardy hare
thats right
velvet quest
dino mount helps me make money faster so i can buy glad mount
haughty nova
Youāre naive if you think blizz never sold store mount 20 years ago out of the goodness of their hearts
It wasnāt practice then. If they had the idea and thought they would profit they would have done it
tropic schooner
Why would u want dino mount when u can just ride glad mount
when does glad mount have AH on it?!
polar nymph
https://tenor.com/view/user808080-gif-24118735
late wraith
the blizzard selling mounts is the same as nazi german guy got hit with a temp ban? what a fucking day
what a perfect day. imo, for at least the comedic value, 90$ brutosaur is the best thing that could have possibly happened
tardy hare
when does glad mount have AH on it?!
sorry i dont do anything other than afk on glad mount
grand mesa
i think you guys need to see real p2w games before u consider what blizz does being apparently similar to the holocaust lol
late wraith
ent you missed such content
velvet quest
<@717490613083177053>
not me unfortunately
tardy hare
unforch
late wraith
mayo screenshot it for us @tropic schooner don't worry
tropic schooner
oh that guy in offtopic
strange hawk
Rdruid is not fun right now. Going to figure out if I want to repurpose boomkin for BGB or feral for SS
gloomy nova
yeah we'll prob be trash the whole season
they seem unwilling to lift us up from the garbagecan
strange hawk
Bound to happen. Made a hpal and am doing better than my rdruid, I donāt even know what I am doing
livid wasp
But if you look at wow over a 20 year period youll see how respect and appreciat...
word
but the fact the mount isnt cosmetic is worrisome
its one step closer to state of p2w
gloomy nova
but the fact the mount isnt cosmetic is worrisome
oh god
livid wasp
but whatever, be happy with your trash store mount
I like to appreciate mounts that took effort
gloomy nova
ur playing a game that costs money to play, where u can buy gold and boosting of any kind has been around for ages
who the fuck cares if u can buy a mount
go work on your dmg rotation š
livid wasp
im paying monthly sub for it, I expect them to put effort into making the game a good and bugless experience
but now they release a half assed patch and a 90 dollar moneygrab with it
gloomy nova
wtf does a mount have to do with the bugs
grand mesa
im paying monthly sub for it, I expect them to put effort into making the game a...
See I think thatās fair
But the mount stuff donāt matter
livid wasp
it would be nice if all the extra money people spent with store shit went into making the game good
livid wasp
but theres just layoffs and a fucked up auto ban system and probably AI support by now
well they could be balancing pvp more actively
gloomy nova
they could, but then again the community has asked for that for 10+ years
so
it is what it is
quaint rapids
Have most of the game breaking bugs in pvp been hot fixed yet?
Specifically one shots and matches ending early nuking everyone's rating
sick wren
ok so, mount, no mount, i get both sides, but what people do with their money, is their business. you dont wanna buy things from the blizz shop, cool. you wanna buy some, cool.
livid wasp
imagine if they added the mount as some super difficult expansion completionist achievement that required a ton of grind
now there would be something to grind for
and you could be proud with it
but now
yeah
gloomy nova
imagine if they added the mount as some super difficult expansion completionist ...
nobody is interested in stuff like that in 2024
those days are over
quaint rapids
I want them to add the spectral tiger to twitch drops
livid wasp
yeah cause there is nothing like that
quaint rapids
Just for the drama
gloomy nova
yeah cause there is nothing like that
No because ppl dont want it
sick wren
in tanaris as it is right now, the mount event, lots of store and trade mounts. some have them, some dont. at the end of the day, it is all pixels.
livid wasp
well people are fucking stupid
gloomy nova
Nobody wants to spend 50 hours leveling and nobody wants to do some sweaty ass dogshit achievement to get a mount they prefer to buy it or dont have it
livid wasp
classic was pretty popular
livid wasp
the mount would be prestigious
sick wren
ppl have begged me to join them in classic. why would i? been there, done that. no thanks.
wary stirrup
those days are over
yeah because of people that would rather credit card swipe than show skill
gloomy nova
skill?
livid wasp
but ofc blizz prefers to just sell it and let stupid people buy it so bobby can get a fifth yacht
gloomy nova
u think u need skill to get glad mount?
wary stirrup
yes you do
sick wren
yeah because of people that would rather credit card swipe than show skill
i mean, boost groups. people buy their curve these days. i see it as stupid and kinda goes against my standards, but whatever. i aint losing sleep.
wary stirrup
which is why they are some of the rarest mounts
wary stirrup
i mean, boost groups. people buy their curve these days. i see it as stupid and ...
as someone that remembers gaming pre 2000s it does bother me
sick wren
which is why they are some of the rarest mounts
agreed. sadly ppl get boosted. for money in game or real, they just dont get caught.
wary stirrup
because these spending patterns have heavily influenced game devs in how and what content they develop
gloomy nova
do u realize how many of all glad mount are bought?
livid wasp
sure you can buy a boost but youre just bullshitting yourself while riding that mount
late wraith
but theres just layoffs and a fucked up auto ban system and probably AI support ...
the autoban system only kicks in if you say something shitty so stop telling on yourself
wary stirrup
no and even if it were a big amount considering their rarity that just makes the mount all that more "rare" in a sense (if it's legit"
sick wren
as someone that remembers gaming pre 2000s it does bother me
it used to bother me. it made me quit the game mid SL. all we encountered in RBGs was boost groups. but im at an age that i just wont let it bother me anymore.
wary stirrup
the autoban system only kicks in if you say something shitty so stop telling on ...
i called myself on the spectrum and got a 1h ban from this discord
was that justified?
late wraith
yes
wary stirrup
lost
late wraith
and we're talking about in game
livid wasp
im pretty sure there have been instances where famous people have been mass reported and autobanned
late wraith
but yes it still is justified
wary stirrup
and we're talking about in game
it was an example of an autoban system
late wraith
im pretty sure there have been instances where famous people have been mass repo...
oh are you pretty sure?
gloomy nova
I dont think u understand. Theres a huge differance between doing some pve world achievement that take 100 hours to get, compared to a pvp mount u can get while doing what u enjoy doing in this game
late wraith
well if zechey is pretty sure
wary stirrup
didn't someone literally do it on stream
and told people
to mass report him
and he got banned
within minutes
wary stirrup
doing nothing but standing in a capital
market cartels
especially in classic
have been known to do that
with bot farms
vestal citrus
but usually quickly overturned
late wraith
they fix that within the day
and then take action against the people who did it.
i can't believe the holocaust guy is back and isn't too embarrassed to keep posting in here.
wary stirrup
i think you severely overestimate the precision of automated systems
late wraith
incredible day on dgpvp
wary stirrup
and you're being willfully ignorant of the kind of behaviour they enforce
case in point league of legends
wary stirrup
me
sick wren
end of the day, blizz sometimes looks the other way. why? money.
late wraith
this one
vestal citrus
lol
wary stirrup
they completely twisted my words
late wraith
did we?
wary stirrup
and missed my point
sick wren
wtf are you talking about?
wary stirrup
im saying that this community has been duped
20 years ago you had a superior game
but bit by bit they made it worse while milking you more
late wraith
and then just like nazi germany...
wary stirrup
and it got to a point where you have accepted an 80 euro store mount
and see no problem with it
gloomy nova
@wary stirrup Are u ok? I think u need to talk to someone
wary stirrup
while the game was literally massively broken
vestal citrus
I can certainly agree that the game has changed into participation/game time farming simulator and they just fuck ppl over for metrics
wary stirrup
after patch day
vestal citrus
no comment on the nazi stuff š
sick wren
can we not bring that sort of stuff into this topic?
gloomy nova
A mount in the store has nothing to do with the bugs that were/are there when a new big patch is introduced. ur bitching about a minor thing like ur some kind of boomer virgin.
wary stirrup
A mount in the store has nothing to do with the bugs that were/are there when a ...
of course they do
maybe not a week ago
late wraith
i just can't believe you're still going
wary stirrup
but a year ago
when they decided how many people they're gonna hire for what
when shit will be released
how much QA there will be
late wraith
like i'd be laying in bed anxious about how embarrassing i was if i were you
sick wren
jesus
late wraith
i'd be thinking about this one at night for weeks
wary stirrup
are you done?
do you think
you can bully me?
with your petulent insults
"haha he's still talking"
gloomy nova
u think they hire people to add a mount to the store? or relocate staff thats working on the patch to add the mount? and that takes away valueable time?
ur fking fried
late wraith
are you done?
do you think
you can bully me?
with your petulent insults
"haha he's still talking"
vestal citrus
technically tho
wary stirrup
u think they hire people to add a mount to the store? or relocate staff thats wo...
again missing the point entirely
vestal citrus
a new store mount makes more money than fixing a bug
wary stirrup
yes if they realize they make bank off mounts
they will hire more people to make mounts
livid wasp
I wish asmongold wasnt banned, would be fun to hear his opinion
wary stirrup
if they realize people aren't unsubbing after they fired a dev
they will fire another dev
gloomy nova
a new store mount makes more money than fixing a bug
They have nothing to do with eachother
livid wasp
hes the guy who got /spit removed
wary stirrup
are you purposefully being this blunt?
gloomy nova
Nothing is invested into adding a mount to the store
wary stirrup
yes you hit the nail on the head grime
vestal citrus
you farm the QA out to India or get rid of people
sick wren
why was /joke or /funny removed?
wary stirrup
rewards them with 80 euro with the game in its current state
vestal citrus
I am friends with ppl who work, or who have worked at blizz and see this shit first hand, it is what it is
and I also work in corporate
gloomy nova
rewards them with 80 euro with the game in its current state
Im just curious. What about the games current state bothers you so much?
wary stirrup
yeah that's the reason I left it
vestal citrus
revenue / profit >> cost centres
wow player base is relatively docile
they will put up with shit
sick wren
docile?
vestal citrus
they pay $15/month for a broken game with no content updates for 80% of the play time
just on the hamster wheel doing repeatable content
sick wren
docile towards blizzard, hostile towards each other, i think
gloomy nova
The state of pvp for example
its nothing new
vestal citrus
they could choose to pay someone $35,000 ~ $50,000 per year to manage pvp participation as their one job but choose not to
gloomy nova
everyone always says the current season is the worst
vestal citrus
bc its a cost and ppl will play the game regardless
welp
capped mmr
is no good
vestal citrus
participation is lowest its ever been, especialyl for first season of an xpac
gloomy nova
buhuu
wary stirrup
Im just curious. What about the games current state bothers you so much?
personally I started with retail in df for pvp exclusively and I think pvp is more or less great right now (although I find the bugs yesterday unacceptable). What bothers me is the overarching principle (having played classic) that they absolutely aren't where they should be with the game 20 years down the road and I find it completely immoral that they'd rather choose to fleece vulnerable individuals while providing a worse product instead of first bringing their product up to standards again. What bothers me the most though is that people spend money on this shit and I hold the firm belief that many mechanisms are in place to psychologically manipulate people into spending money ("oh a new mount, if I want to keep a full collection I have to buy it" as an example) and that blizzard has entire research teams working on this shit in order to fleece people in basically what could be considered robbery.
vestal citrus
you see it in AAA games too tho
wary stirrup
and I find that disgusting
vestal citrus
quality of games coming out so much less
wary stirrup
It bothers me
vestal citrus
increasingly high amount of games coming out as "EA" to abscond any responsibility if the product is shit "guys its EA please be patient"
wary stirrup
yes that should all be regulated by law
in general digital goods
are currently mostly overpriced
because the law isn't there yet
it's too slow
in an age where things move fast
anyway that's all I wanted to say and why i find it fucked up
peace
random patrol
currently skinning wolves in dorn I fear I shall drive them to extinction
but I needs their fur for "druid reasons"
grand mesa
š
vestal citrus
yeah i mean i agree its fucked up
can agree on those points
problem is there is no recourse
wary stirrup
Like cs go lootboxes
vestal citrus
nobody gives af
wary stirrup
It literally hurts me
vestal citrus
ppl stil play
wary stirrup
Welp thanks for understanding, youre a real G
livid wasp
well csgo lootboxes at least make sense kinda, has to be some way for the game to make money
vestal citrus
i couldn't believe
how much csgo skins have inflated
i didnt play for like 4y
my inventory went from maybe $300 to $1k+
random stickers that would've been 10c were now like $6 - $8
icy bobcat
anybody know how to make a dynamic macro?
livid wasp
I got like 1.5k in skins
vestal citrus
anybody know how to make a dynamic macro?
What you tryna do bro
vestal citrus
I got like 1.5k in skins
yeah I had a flip knife slaughter back in the day and I was toying with buying a new one
and couldn't believe how fucking expensive it was
icy bobcat
What you tryna do bro
to make a dynamic macro to cast tricks of the trade always on a dps in shuffle
vestal citrus
if you get umm
livid wasp
I got a flip knife marble fade
vestal citrus
fuck there's an addon
icy bobcat
without the need to put a new name of the player everytime
vestal citrus
I think its framesort
icy bobcat
yeah but framesort idk
vestal citrus
if you get that, it has a macro feature where you can put in the macro like [@dps1]
vestal citrus
and it will always do it on the dps
yeah I think its framesort
right @grand mesa ?
icy bobcat
dang ima have to check that out tyvm
grand mesa
Yeah framesort
viscid remnant
Theres a cuh in the earth
safe heart
I'm gunna try to learn to duel in d2 again
tropic schooner
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833886718276927523/1299117986740965387/im...
I unironically
dont know what that room is
I have an educated guess
but I legit dont know
grand mesa
The ah
tropic schooner
(guessing its the AH)
grand mesa
wanton ridge
yeah I had a flip knife slaughter back in the day and I was toying with buying a...
I bought a knife for 5$ on some betting website, sold it years later for 850 on steam, paid my steam deck š
viscid remnant
sounds fake
livid wasp
I unboxed a karambit marble fade and traded from it
safe heart
One time I never played CS in my life
livid wasp
you should
youre NA too you dont have to deal with r*ssians
can actually communicate
in english
wanton ridge
if you buy the recipe for 600k, you can craft the enchant with rank2 mats so it'll cost you ~2-3k top to make
safe heart
Zechy do u want me to just give you a token
Idk how to log onto eu but I'll PayPal you 22 usd
My PayPal history is already filled with sus FnF purchases so it won't stand out
livid wasp
I have 156k gold but I have to make it last for the expansion
livid wasp
dont wanan give blizz extra money
safe heart
Can u send me 20 dollars
livid wasp
why
safe heart
I need it to buy d2 stuff
livid wasp
get them in game
safe heart
Fuk that I don't have 100yrs
grand mesa
I have 156k gold but I have to make it last for the expansion
Idk if this expac will be kind to you friend
viscid remnant
U shouldve mined
I made a fortune with mining
And now iam holding on to my precious gold
safe heart
just trade on d2jsp
Real
I'm planning on going hard next season
Wanna try to be Top 10 on druid ladder
viscid remnant
Who nose really
safe heart
In d2? There's not even new content every season bro
Last season the new update was you're allowed to play in Korea if you're 18 yrs old
safe heart
Diablo 2 is
Arguably my favorite game nowadays
It's definitely the one I wanna play the most when I get home from work
I kinda wanna try d3 and last epoch again tho
viscid remnant
Its hard to learn cuz the game has so much stuff
But once u learn its positive cuz theres a ton of content
livid wasp
I would rather play runescape and I dont even use drugs
safe heart
Its hard to learn cuz the game has so much stuff
Are most builds viable or is it like there's 4 main ones then the rest are all whatever r
safe heart
I can gain the knowledge
viscid remnant
Also at the start of a season people usually start with one build thats good for starting and then respec or relevel something else
viscid remnant
Each season there are about 4-5 "fotm builds" but anything is viable really
If you know how to build it
And scale it
And have the gear for it
U can play a sort of "meme skill" if ur gear and talents are good enough it can do all the stuff
stray sigil
And now iam holding on to my precious gold
sniffa
viscid remnant
I need to do hard labor
viscid remnant
Maybe i will spam shuffle tomorrow
viscid remnant
Why not cuh
tropic schooner
8.6k for authority of radiant power
holy shit just clear the map on worldquests once
and you have that
viscid remnant
I got an hpala its immune to bugs
stray sigil
viscid remnant
Oh idk feji u might be right
But i queued one today and nothing happened
Didnt see it happen to streamers
So might be fixed
stray sigil
i will not trust blissard this week
livid wasp
I heard some guy bought it for 4k on AH idk if hes bullshitting
viscid remnant
Zechey u should do thedaily quest in tenaris
Where the historian is asking u a question
safe heart
You can make 10k doing world quests ?
viscid remnant
And it gives 93 gold for clicking once
tropic schooner
You can make 10k doing world quests ?
I may have overexagerated a bit
its prolly around 5k
safe heart
Thats crazy
tropic schooner
(but if wed actually full clear all expansions wq then not unlikely to be 10k )
viscid remnant
U can make decent gold
tropic schooner
Thats crazy
there should be like 3-4 ~800g wq up
livid wasp
I should do the tanaris shit yes
tropic schooner
- the race world quests
livid wasp
but lazy
safe heart
I've never found a way to make gold in wow
Like ever since the beginning I was like
How
viscid remnant
U have to do hard labor
viscid remnant
U need to do hard labor irl and buy tokens
grand mesa
I've never found a way to make gold in wow
The token coming out has been a game changer for me lol
livid wasp
do you buy 20 per week?
safe heart
I buy 1 or 2 per xpac normally
And that's usually enough gold
In season 3 or 4 I paid Ben like 800k to send me all the mats for my crafts
Ah is annoying
I always forget something
tropic schooner
have to say I dont really understand how its possible not to make like ~1m or sth on addon release
safe heart
I wouldn't even know where to begin to do that ent
tropic schooner
especially when pvping
livid wasp
I didnt get any big drops
tropic schooner
big drops?
wary stirrup
it's true
tropic schooner
just learn mining herbalism
wary stirrup
i was the boxes
tropic schooner
and fly around in q
wary stirrup
what if you have instant queues?
livid wasp
there was early access too prices had dropped a lot after 4 days
tropic schooner
absolute bullshit
wary stirrup
a lot of them are
the others are like 85% under 2 minutes
the longest I ever had was 5
tropic schooner
2 minutes is far from instant 
and you pvp its not like you need a lot of gold to begin with
safe heart
Ent I wanna pve on 4 characters
tropic schooner
sure if you pve too you obviously need a lot more
safe heart
Can u help me
tropic schooner
buy low sell high
safe heart
Log on my character
wary stirrup
help him
tropic schooner
I have professions setup
safe heart
Wake me up when ur done
wary stirrup
imagine setting up professions
safe heart
I'm not gunna use consumables in pve
That's cringe af
tropic schooner
lol
tropic schooner
also if you have alts from like mop remix
its so completly free to make
~100k / week
wary stirrup
in the 3 seasons i've played so far
tropic schooner
without much effort what so ever
wary stirrup
i've done 2 m+ dungeons
and 0 raids
i have a grand total of 0 profession levels
my renowns are all stuck at 4
tropic schooner
(needs like an hour or so to setup and prolly 20k or so per char)
wary stirrup
nothing that isn't solo shuffle or 3v3 matters to me
safe heart
In SL I did
wary stirrup
not even bgb matters to me
tropic schooner
for professions they do - but you only need like 12 for most
anyone knows if ther currently is some decent ~gm+ adc streaming atm
safe heart
Idek what that acronym means
wary stirrup
league residentsleeper
i watched quite a few worlds games
they just play the same stuff over and over and over and over
it's embarassing tbh
i noticed they exclusively pick only 2 types of heroes
big cc or big dam
nothing else
tell me entenzwerg as a person who is well versed in league. should they nerf cc
tropic schooner
no
wary stirrup
dunno man pro league is kinda ass ngl
tropic schooner
dunno not biggest fan of competetive league either buy yea people pick big damage or CC kinda how these games go
same in dota
tropic schooner
yes no idea what other pic options would be
wary stirrup
they are permanently stuck in a 4 protect 1 meta without realizing it
tropic schooner
thats wrong
very wrong
even modern dota is a LOT more 4 protect 1
compared to league
velvet quest
Crazy how the meta isnāt full no dmg no cc comps
tropic schooner
and 4 protect one is dead
wary stirrup
in dota for sure
velvet quest
Why canāt that be viable
tropic schooner
compared to like Ti3
tropic schooner
in dota for sure
?????? if you dont like 4 protect 1
that was the bread and butter of old dota
wary stirrup
of course it is
tropic schooner
the typo of 1 protect 4
wary stirrup
i was emerald 4 peaker
tropic schooner
is about more correct
wary stirrup
i dunno I kinda get
what you're saying
but then you see the adc
make one missstep
and gets nuclear warheaded
in a nanosecond
tropic schooner
yes
wary stirrup
and these are like s tier players
tropic schooner
because hes main prio