i didn't realise you could get the tier set with pvp ilevel boosts on it by converting a pvp piece into the tier set - so i've used all my catalysts wrong..
#pvp
void dome
void dome
fml
i've been using the basic two piece two set and just upgraded to the 4 set thinking i was winning
turns out im losing because none of the tier pieces have pvp ilevel on and i have no catalyst charges left
🥲 fml
fyi i'm a returning player after only playing 1 month of DF before quitting incase you think i'm braindead
which i probably am
safe heart
Yeah I mean idk how to fix that situation but best of luck
@velvet quest I got like 4 or 5 direct pings off that 1 comment
late wraith
fyi i'm a returning player after only playing 1 month of DF before quitting inca...
you're not they are so bad about letting players know this
it has got to be the most unfriendly system to people just getting started i swear to god
void dome
i was reading so many guides and inspecting endless armories to see what the best gearing method is and thought i'd got it right but it's mega fucked now xD
late wraith
also so many people make this same mistake. don't feel bad.
late wraith
it isn't you'll be fine, can you run just 2 pc for now? do you have the mats to ilvl upgrade your pve gear?
weary canyon
how much does conq go up per week
late wraith
you won't get it high enough to compensate but theoretically you could ilvl upgrade your 2 best pieces, for now replace the other 2 with wpvp gear and just wait out catalyst charges for the next couple weeks
like it's annoying but it's salvageable
clear pulsar
how much does conq go up per week
600
void dome
it isn't you'll be fine, can you run just 2 pc for now? do you have the mats to ...
i can run two piece yeah but it won't have the pvp ilevel on so i feel like im forced to buy bloody token gear or honor gear until it recharges and miss out on the two piece.. unless running low ilevel 2 piece is a pay off
well my best piece is champion legs the other 3 are veteran at 8/8
late wraith
hmm yeah that's low. what spec are you? unless resto or feral are so tier dependent it'd be worth the ilvl hit, i'd say just replace that with honor, conq or wpvp gear. it's gonna probably feel a bit bad but frankly not as bad as playing 4 pieces of super low ilvl tier. you can try like i said replacing just 2 of them to start, see if that feels better.
tagging @clear pulsar to weigh in on whether it's worth for resto or feral cause i really dunno but i feel like no that can't ever be worth
late wraith
the ilvl diff really do be huge
clear pulsar
That's probably around 10% power loss from stats + lower stamina
Compared to 4 639s
I don't think any tier set is gonna make that worth it in pvp
late wraith
they'd likely be trading for honor or wpvp stuff at this point but yeah still though
void dome
im resto
late wraith
like trading upgraded hero track tier for honor i think might be worth looking at cause that's getting pretty close but this is very low ilvl
void dome
had to downgrade to the green pvp gear for 2 pieces and bought the warmonger chest
woe is me. rerolling disc XD
late wraith
hahah aw you'll be fine. you'll likely feel much better than you have been in there tbh rolling around with low 600 ilvl pieces on
late wraith
okay well
void dome
i flamed him back thinking i knew what i was doing
late wraith
don't listen to dks
late wraith
exactly
clear pulsar
at least i won't make the same mistake on alts
Don't be so down on yourself
You can totally make it again
late wraith
learn and grow and all that it does suck but so many people make wild mistakes with pvp gearing cause again... blizzard doesn't tell anyone how any of this works lol
velvet quest
I said to myself I wonder if this guy is pathetic enough to check to see if I posted a SS in druid discord. You crack me up
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You can tell it’s funny based on how many ha’s I typed in all caps
gloomy nova
Are you obsessed with me? I think so
Every chance u get to reply something i say
ur there
sad
velvet quest
Reply to you one time I’m obsessed
late wraith
didn't he just ask what your question was? and you acted deranged over it?
gloomy nova
Just stfu
get on with ur life
Stop typing random shit here and get good instead
queue up
velvet quest
cant queue im too busy doing very important things in real life (unlike you)
supple path
late wraith
my favorite is when people do this and then are like "get good stop doing this thing i am also doing"
like damn okay, you got me i guess
gloomy nova
nice put that in your diary
velvet quest
didnt reply for a half hour=replying constantly
gloomy nova
there you go again
replying meaningless one liners
go do your important irl stuff buddy
safe heart
Nothing is more important to me than doing world qwests for 59 gold
(And one time war band rep bonuses)
wanton ridge
Nothing is more important to me than doing world qwests for 59 gold
even M+ doesn't give that much in the end of dungeon chest
static steeple
i can't find this any where in the 11.0.5 talent calculator.
am i blind?
static steeple
awesome
make it passive imo
can't wait for it to be placed in an inconvenient spot and we have to give up something important
robust vigil
tropic schooner
you are one of the stranger people in this channel
robust vigil
you are one of the stranger people in this channel
Not even sure what to say to that comment 😂.
tropic schooner
my favorite is when people do this and then are like "get good stop doing this t...
how dare you
simple zodiac
Damn poor vlas bro didn’t even say anything
robust vigil
Calling someone weird when we are all playing a 20 year old wizard and elf game is surprising
safe heart
If you think he's weird you should see the people who play everquest private servers
It's like watching dementia develop in real time
Those guys will threaten to kill your family for pricing an item too high in a dead game
late wraith
how dare you
Listen u know I’m right
viscid remnant
You guys think one day thyme will ban the shizo or nah
tropic schooner
probably
vestal citrus
You guys think one day thyme will ban the shizo or nah
whos the shizo
viscid remnant
I dont want to name any names or allege any allegations
livid wasp
david why didnt we play 3s
surreal heron
You guys think one day thyme will ban the shizo or nah
that could be anyone
viscid remnant
Because iam laying on my bed with the lights off
robust vigil
Damn poor vlas bro didn’t even say anything
@simple zodiac fancy seeing you here ol' chap
strange hawk
man rdruid is not the best time in pvp right now
clear pulsar
power toads insane team man
livid wasp
safe heart
Rdruid jungle felt nice yesterday
We got completey rocked by a feral ele hpal tho lol
clear pulsar
I just turned a 3-3 into a 3-2 with a big vukoff dam bite against all odds in the last minisecond to make one round a draw
safe heart
is taht as rdruid
clear pulsar
Yeah
safe heart
what the cluck
tiny oar
almost choked to death today
dont do that please
tiny oar
You guys think one day thyme will ban the shizo or nah
yea and delete this whole channel too
random patrol
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
clear bloom
I just turned a 3-3 into a 3-2 with a big vukoff dam bite against all odds in th...
One thing rdruid got. Like 250-400k shreds and 350-500k+ bites. Not bad.
tiny oar
dont shame him
we dont kink shame here ofc not
random patrol
@tiny oar just imagine you try to breathe and you inhale but no air goes in and you exhale but nothing happens even through the nose and your consious during the whole ordeal
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> just imagine you try to breathe and you inhale but no air ...
sounds like me being sick rn
random patrol
@tiny oar was an interesting experiance at the very least
not something I would do again though
#chewthechicken
polar nymph
#chewthechicken
random patrol
kfc vs popeyes go(their both meh)
surreal heron
there's no competition, if popeyes is available it's better than kfc
stray sigil
You guys think one day thyme will ban the shizo or nah
hes not one of us
so no
real
tiny oar
hes not one of us
when I get mod first thing I'm doing is deleting this channel and making a 5th spec channel for bussy instead
surreal heron
based
vestal citrus
when I get mod first thing I'm doing is deleting this channel and making a 5th s...
gotta pass the mental health pre screening
Best of luck bud
tiny oar
gotta pass the mental health pre screening
yea I definitely don't, unlucky
too much schizo posting here
jagged bloom
we gonna want 4p for feral ?
stray sigil
@viscid remnant remember when we caught bans for calling thad dremel
and the schizo is telling ppl to alt f4 irl and hes not getting banned
inner cliff
vers > haste > mastery for pvp boomie?
for solo blitz bgs
or yolo?
master > haste > vers 😄
polar nymph
Yo it's Bazr
inner cliff
Yo it's Bazr
polar nymph
<:HUH:1115674347865129042>
It's a certain Arcane Mage you raid with
tiny oar
for solo blitz bgs
ur already thinking more than u need to for them
random patrol
@tiny oar you know what sounds good right now large unchewed pieces of chicken
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> you know what sounds good right now large unchewed pieces ...
u are so interesting can I study your brain please
random patrol
@tiny oar I don't have a brain
Im a boomy
were brainless by default
meanwhile doing boomy ret disc 3s soon
one of those specs is good atm
tiny oar
meanwhile doing boomy ret disc 3s soon
ret and disc are both good no?
random patrol
@tiny oar Idk bout ret, disc yes
prob
you know if I actually cared about casual pvp I would prob reroll alliance but then again none of the alliance races really do it for me
I just like red to much
eternal torrent
re: feral druid, why during the opener you use feral frenzy while on high cp? Because 3 of those cp move over during incarnation? Isnt it better to just do - Tigers fury, Incarn, Rake, Brutal Slash, Moonfire ( iassume 5CP, if not, then another generator), Rip, Feral Frenzy -> bite?
random patrol
time to test 12 surges vs 10 surges and foe
misty frost
Man what a fkin mess solo shuffle is LOOL
random patrol
shuffle mmr is cursed
misty frost
shuffle mmr is cursed
yeh, why is blizz not doign any?
random patrol
their always slow to adress it, prob will have to wait 2-4 weeks before anything happens , they might even do the mmr change without saying anything
misty frost
their always slow to adress it, prob will have to wait 2-4 weeks before anything...
yeah, the hidden one would not surprise me
random patrol
Im just doing a 3s push soon, not bothering with solo at least on my main, might do it on alt druid soon though
misty frost
Im just doing a 3s push soon, not bothering with solo at least on my main, might...
is 3s in a better state?
misty frost
yeh nice
strange hawk
Or at least fade removing snares and slows
But maybe not right now because I’m starting to play a disc
livid wasp
feral just feels like crap in 2s
strange hawk
They are a pain in the ass but squishy
still trail
I'm looking for good moonkin PVP video content/streamers, but hard to come across anything else than Supatease. Got any tips?
vestal citrus
I'm looking for good moonkin PVP video content/streamers, but hard to come acros...
pins, rudar
eternal torrent
feral just feels like crap in 2s
I find it to be very nice actually, running feral + disc. Granted we are at a low MMR atm - 1600~, but we are on a nice W/R .
charred yarrow
strange hawk
feral is like the 2nd or 3rd best dps in 2s
Murloc meta has it as the top
But that is based on the avg cr of the top 50 ferals
viscid remnant
i think a good sub rogue always beats feral
and hunter is also pretty good into feral
but yea its just those 3
charred gulch
any good guides on general feral gameplay, i get "bleed and run" etc but ya know, am bad. Mainly 2s
strange hawk
Bleed and run while your disc pumps damage in 2s
charred gulch
livid wasp
feral just feels like shit and disc doesnt heal anymore
I face rdruid warr or rsham warrior and he just sits on the priest and he dies eventually
I feel like theres something I dont know
can someone show me how to play it
more difficult than 3s for sure
strange hawk
Disc/feral should counter rdruid/war no?
livid wasp
yeah well im sitting rdruid after dotting warrior and my healer runs away and dies to him
strange hawk
Disc is miles a head of rdruid. With the added dps they bring, just bleed both targets and watch the rdruid hots do nothing
livid wasp
I dont think the priest was that bad either he was 1.9k cr
he ragequit after it
wouldve been nice to know if it was on him or me
robust vigil
every good feral disc has eaten me alive on rdruid
Have you tried politely asking them not to.
tiny oar
Have you tried politely asking them not to.
nah i just eat them alive back or die trying
robust vigil
nah i just eat them alive back or die trying
My strategy is to threaten them "if you don't stop right now, I'm going to start crying and then EVERYONE will be uncomfortable"
clear pulsar
Youre the guy that mounted his wife like a proud stallion
Thats Brock Lesnar
wary stirrup
https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704
It was a while back in world of pvp discord
Before it went bottoms up
robust vigil
Before it went bottoms up
I just came back to the game a month ago. I was in that discord for less than two weeks before I left. What's their problem lol. Why are they the way they are. I need deep lore
robust vigil
clear pulsar
Careful david mods are gonna come down hard on you
robust vigil
What's getting piloted slang for (you can DM me if this is a sensitive topic lol)
viscid remnant
allegedly a guy who allegedly has a receding hairline allegedly got piloted
clear pulsar
What's getting piloted slang for (you can DM me if this is a sensitive topic lol...
When you get boosted by someone playing your character instead of you
robust vigil
Oh. That's it?
clear pulsar
If you play your own character and just get carried it's a self-play
robust vigil
I was asking why everyone has shitty personalities in that discord and are rude AF?
viscid remnant
oh its just a cesspool
clear pulsar
No thats just pvpers
robust vigil
Yeah but they're next level
viscid remnant
the mods banned most of the actual community there over that whole thing and whats left of it is geniunely demented shizo people
strange hawk
I remember you topper
I haven’t been that active in here. Was in the World of PvP but that was a circle jerk I didn’t want to participate in anymore lol.
robust vigil
Anytime I commented in that discord, even when I was trying to be helpful and polite to other players, someone flamed me, or called me autistic or something. Just seems like a grumpy bunch. Like they all woke up on the wrong side of the bed
viscid remnant
thats just pvp players
manic pagoda
How long until the feral nerfs land now that it's getting to fotm territory
clear pulsar
I dont think anything in wow gets to be considered toxic compared to other games' communities
If you think so you're a bit of a snowflake
clear pulsar
How long until the feral nerfs land now that it's getting to fotm territory
17 days
manic pagoda
thank you for the specificity
viscid remnant
I dont think anything in wow gets to be considered toxic compared to other games...
depends what u consider toxic
clear pulsar
I mean any activity
robust vigil
If you think so you're a bit of a snowflake
I think this mentality is a bit skewed. Just because someone doesn't want to deal with someone's shit doesn't make them soft.
I've been a part of more toxic communities absolutely. But I was in that PvP discord for informational purposes and to learn. And I left, not because I have soft skin, but because at this stage in my life I'm not looking for "teenager Call of Duty Lobby" vibes. I left based on it not being a good personality fit. And if someone is going to lay into me any time I post it's better to just find a community I naturally fit in with better than swimming upstream with ass hats lol
clear pulsar
Singular persons here and there sure
robust vigil
Every single other discord I've joined has been better than those guys lol
clear pulsar
I take it back. High rated rbg people. That was as bad as some other games.
But its also like 80 people total
tropic schooner
I dont think anything in wow gets to be considered toxic compared to other games...
ehh
think depends a bit but probably you arent matched that much with random people
(tbh shuffle being mostly tame did surprise me a lot but think its a lot due to very low game time)
but I remember a lot of toxic people I encountered in other games were wow pvp players
like ocelote, drainer
however also some guys I dont remember flaming played with flynn a bit in a league team and hydra in solo q
but kujaa was also ultra toxic
wary stirrup
Anytime I commented in that discord, even when I was trying to be helpful and po...
used to be fun
robust vigil
In my observation people are more toxic at lower MMRs and as you get higher it gets better.
At low MMR people are all complaining and blaming each other. But even from a selfish perspective this is bad strategically. If you want people to play better it's better to be positive rather than negative. And if you want people to listen to your call outs being polite goes much further than insulting people. This is why sociopaths and narcissists can be charming and manipulative.
At higher MMR people realize being rude isn't effective because they're intelligent people
wary stirrup
but then people got banned because of hairline pictures (true story)
and it all went downhill from there
thats what pvp discords are for
sperging out
by the looks of it they pushed your hairline bit a back as well :>
robust vigil
Dude as you've noticed from my time in here and I can give and take pretty easily and match people's energies if I need to. But it was just every time I commented people were saying like actually malicious and rude things. Not just general trolling
I was just like "y'all aren't my people , deuces"
wary stirrup
😦
that's all we do in the pvp community though
talk shit about other peoples hairlines
and make fun of their gameplay even if they're better
plenty of sanitized discords if that's not your jam
robust vigil
Lol
I joined alot of discords to learn a lot and get back in the game
I had to sit through alot of shit to get a few nuggets there
My rogue discord, Ravenholdt. Is like 99% informative with minimal shenanigans. And it's perfect for what I need
tropic schooner
At higher MMR people realize being rude isn't effective because they're intelligent people not gonna lie I did not see this cooked take before
wary stirrup
fried take
tropic schooner
people are rude at every mmr
wary stirrup
^
tropic schooner
in any pvp game
robust vigil
I don't buy it.
tropic schooner
okay
robust vigil
your absurd defiance ends here
Huh
robust vigil
Then you're just talking about your imagination
I mean I have reasons to believe what Im saying if you want me to blow up your discord this morning
tropic schooner
your reasons are wrong
people in high mmr absolutely are toxic, obviously not all of them
but absolutely a signifcant amount
wary stirrup
i argue with mglads 3 weeks into a new season in ss that they shouldn't line me for 10 seconds and then press wall at 10% hp
clear pulsar
I think you need to establish what you think is high mmr then
clear pulsar
Because I havent experienced a shift in how much people talk or the things they say across any MMR range that I went thru
But I havent been in the real deep trenches ig
viscid remnant
pls only type if u are haight raited (1600cr)
wary stirrup
it's just free real estate back up
wary stirrup
pls only type if u are haight raited (1600cr)
ah i got my first 1500 yesterday
i can't type 😦
low mmr scrub
viscid remnant
noob
clear pulsar
I think I need to lose 300 mmr then climb back up with a mean huge streak
tropic schooner
that's because elo hell doesn't exist in ss
it just doesnt exist in essentially any game (doubt it does in any)
wary stirrup
but that's just their rigged mm algorithm
tropic schooner
nope
viscid remnant
maxi u are arguing with agoat league player
tropic schooner
Because I havent experienced a shift in how much people talk or the things they ...
from league experience if you are insanly high it gets personal
wary stirrup
so we can discuss
tropic schooner
haha
wary stirrup
(I was plat before the emerald update)
wary stirrup
absurd defiance
tropic schooner
and now im low masters high dia
wary stirrup
r1 kayle jungle
clear pulsar
from league experience if you are insanly high it gets personal
I havent hit title range, I'm sure some there are some absolute psychos in there
tropic schooner
r1 in diamond s2 and r1 challenger s3
tiny oar
I havent hit title range, I'm sure some there are some absolute psychos in there
psychos everywhere evidently
wary stirrup
i agree that in league if you're good enough
obviously their mm won't fuck you over
clear pulsar
psychos everywhere evidently
Hello lakie good morn
wary stirrup
since you will outskill all the plebs
so like if you're challenger sure
you won't get stuck
BUT
tropic schooner
yes if you are better you win, if you arent you wont?
thats how its supposed to work
tiny oar
Hello lakie good morn
good morning I am very sleepy hope u have a great day sweetheart
wary stirrup
i am convinced they make pairings based on expected game outcomes and i'm sure that they can predict with over 90% accuracy which team will win before champs are even locked in
tropic schooner
and why would they do that?
clear pulsar
wary stirrup
and they try to force outcomes on games to drive engagement
wary stirrup
it's true
tropic schooner
thats absolutely idiotic
wary stirrup
why?
tropic schooner
no its bullshit
tropic schooner
nah absoluetly idiotic conspiracy theory
clear pulsar
Sounds like cope
wary stirrup
but it isnt?
tropic schooner
and ofc that only works with people who are only slightly better
wary stirrup
engagement based matchmaking?
robust vigil
your reasons are wrong
Lol k.
tropic schooner
why wouldnt you keep the challenger player "down"
wary stirrup
the matchmaking
tropic schooner
if that would work
tropic schooner
yes cause you look for patterns, for excuses
viscid remnant
Sounds like cope
that guy is known for cope
tropic schooner
yep makes a lot of sense
wary stirrup
just saying bro
why else did suddenly 5 season silvers
climb to emerald
and the whole ladder
got muddied
to the point there was no difference between silver and emeradl
tiny oar
that guy is known for cope
copeaholic some might say
tropic schooner
they got better? they got boosted?
viscid remnant
wrap it up domey
wary stirrup
they did some fuckery
clear pulsar
that guy is known for cope
Oh yeah this is your schizo brother from another mother
wary stirrup
100%
tropic schooner
there is an absolute difference
wary stirrup
Oh yeah this is your schizo brother from another mother
aye
viscid remnant
Oh yeah this is your schizo brother from another mother
wary stirrup
😗
viscid remnant
listen i told him not to argue with ent
its clear that ent knows more than him
but wcyd
wary stirrup
i dunno man
i firmly believe
eomm is a thing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
obviously if you improve you'll climb
but eomm is 100% real
tropic schooner
there are also a bunch of people who firmly believe the earth is flat
doesnt make it true
tropic schooner
yes
wary stirrup
well then no point in discussing I guess
since we don't agree on that fundamental point
tropic schooner
cause it makes absolutely 0 sense to not have it that way
youd fuck over literally everyone including yourself
tropic schooner
sure thing
wary stirrup
i mean regardless of league
you realize many patents have been filed
for that very thing right?
where they outline behaviour patterns and realize that if this outcome happens in a game the player is more likely to continue playing and then stating mechanics to force outcomes
robust vigil
So my evidence is mostly anecdotal at this point because I haven't been to high rating in arena since 2012, (I also quit in 2012)
But if you watch the pro Valorant players talk about the game they talk about this thing called Tilt which is essentially when you get upset and enter a cyclical pattern of getting upset than playing bad and then playing even worse because you're upset.
The mentality is that if you're doing bad you should speak encouraging tp your teammates to help prevent you and then from tilting and it will lead to a better outcome. Because everyone plays better when they're having fun and relaxed
wary stirrup
spideysense
robust vigil
So more intelligent and higher rated players are more likely to understand this concept
wary stirrup
have you ever heard of a certain individual called yo?
robust vigil
Where as frustrated grumps at the bottom stay blaming their teammate for every load
Loss*
But I've had high MMR arena players in wow tell me higher lobbies are more helpful and less toxic
So that's my anecdotal evidence
tropic schooner
where they outline behaviour patterns and realize that if this outcome happens i...
sure thats obvious, you dont wanna lose 10 games in a row thats annoying and frustrating also in different games, like some card games it can make sense to start people of not with fully skill based matchmaking but also somewhat collection based (but that ofc brings other issues)
wary stirrup
they did that in mtg arena
tropic schooner
but a lot of those conspiracy theorists say something like "losers q is real" which is literally the opposite of what would make sense
wary stirrup
and it was baaaad
clear pulsar
So my evidence is mostly anecdotal at this point because I haven't been to high ...
I'm not sure you know what anecdotal means if you say its anecdotal then proceed to outline what people other than yourself talk about and you're drawing conclusions from it
tropic schooner
they did that in mtg arena
they still have it to some degree
wary stirrup
glad I stopped playing that
clear pulsar
Or rather I'm pretty sure you dont know what anecdotal means
tropic schooner
just unranked games
robust vigil
I'm not sure you know what anecdotal means if you say its anecdotal then proceed...
Its certainly not my personal experience
clear pulsar
So its not anecdotal...
robust vigil
So its not anecdotal...
Anecdotal is an account that's not necessarily your own and not necessarily true
I used the word correctly
Why are you down my throat every time I say something
tropic schooner
So its not anecdotal...
well it can be anecdotal just anecdotal evidence from someone else
clear pulsar
He said my own evidence is anecdotal
robust vigil
I never claimed it was my own experiences
clear pulsar
Why are you down my throat every time I say something
Cry about it
Youre speaking nonsense
robust vigil
You're splitting hairs
wary stirrup
😮
clear pulsar
With this high mmr less toxic shit
clear pulsar
Absolute nonsense
robust vigil
I'm not saying people are less toxic
I said the opposite
Why are you so upset about a differing opinion over a 20 year old wizard and elf game my brother and Christ
Even if in wrong why are you pressed
tropic schooner
I said the opposite
you did not
wary stirrup
Why are you so upset about a differing opinion over a 20 year old wizard and elf...
ITS NOT A GAME
robust vigil
you did not
So I said narcosis and sociopaths know to be polite to get what they want. These types of people can be toxic
I'm talking about people are more blatantly in your face rude at lower MMRs
Higher MMR is still toxic
clear pulsar
Even if in wrong why are you pressed
Idk we're just talking about the videogame and you're the one making personal statements about how you think I feel or how you think I should feel
robust vigil
But people are smart enough to know how to manipulate outcomes and teamtatea
wary stirrup
brother
you can't manipulate the 0 5 dk
that cast 3 ccs
in a 2 min game
it's beyond manipulation
clear pulsar
At higher MMR people realize being rude isn't effective because they're intelligent people
You absolutely implied higher mmr is less toxic. You can pretend you didnt or pretend you meant something else if you want.
tropic schooner
But people are smart enough to know how to manipulate outcomes and teamtatea
no
robust vigil
Idk we're just talking about the videogame and you're the one making personal st...
"cry about it" are you a 14 year old bully in middle school or are you an adult
wary stirrup
he got you there
viscid remnant
NOWAEDUD
robust vigil
How to adults discuss things they disagree about
clear pulsar
he got you there
I got got it's all ogre
clear pulsar
"cry about it" are you a 14 year old bully in middle school or are you an adult
Like I said, we're talking about the videogame, you're the one making personal statements
Cry about it
I thought you didnt have soft skin
robust vigil
Baby I moisturize
clear pulsar
Use real word with me
tropic schooner
Use real word with me
on a very relevant note, I may have found a store which has fermented cassava flour
either a friend bought it for me and I get it from her at some point or I gotta go there tomorrow to check
wary stirrup
least soy german leftist
robust vigil
`At higher MMR people realize being rude isn't effective because they're intelli...
No did not. There's a difference between being polite and toxic manipulative. And outwardly rude.
All I said was that being rude wasn't effective
wary stirrup
what you construe as outwardly rude we find a funny jab
robust vigil
That doesn't mean people are less toxic
tropic schooner
All I said was that being rude wasn't effective
you also said people at high rating dont do it for that reason
which is just straight up wrong
wary stirrup
he's one of those people
robust vigil
I've heard many people tell me high MMR is better
clear pulsar
on a very relevant note, I may have found a store which has fermented cassava fl...
Oh lets goooooo
robust vigil
I'll try and find screen caps. The comments were made weeks ago so id have to scroll
clear pulsar
I'll try and find screen caps. The comments were made weeks ago so id have to sc...
Pls dont
Youre not convincing anybody with your personal evidence based on other people's anecdotes
Or the specificity of what toxic means vs rude vs manipulative
robust vigil
tropic schooner
robust vigil
The definition of anecdotal doesn't say anything about it being your specific personal experience
tropic schooner
who the fuck cares
wary stirrup
yes you used the word anecdotally correct
tropic schooner
he did not even talk about it here
robust vigil
He's told me 5 different times I used it wrong
tropic schooner
this time he didnt
he just correctly said that no one gives a fuck about someone saying something
clear pulsar
"MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE"
robust vigil
Lol
tropic schooner
"MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE"
Im actually fairly sure that thats correct
viscid remnant
MY EVIDENCE IS THAT FACE TWO FACE CALLED ME BAD WORD (allegedly)
robust vigil
Not that the anecdotes were mine
tropic schooner
its your anecdotal evidance, as in anecdotes from someone else
robust vigil
Correct
tropic schooner
obviously the take is still bullshit
clear pulsar
Then its worth less than shit aint it
tropic schooner
yes
robust vigil
Okau
robust vigil
Its worth about as much as your experience
clear pulsar
Who tf talks about anecdotal evidence they picked up from 3rd parties' 3rd parties
robust vigil
🤡
viscid remnant
everything is made up
tropic schooner
Its worth about as much as your experience
I would not say so, second hand anecdotes id consider usually less reliable then personal ones, obviously depending on the circumstances
robust vigil
I want to meet you face2face to give you some sweet forehead kisses my love
tropic schooner
robust vigil
I would not say so, second hand anecdotes id consider usually less reliable then...
From my perspective they're both second hand.
clear pulsar
For someone whining about wpvp discord you sure make a lot of personal jabs
robust vigil
I have not been convinced of your stance
tropic schooner
From my perspective they're both second hand.
sure I can give proofs of people getting banned for toxicity in high elo league for example
life time bans cause that guy has the most permabanned accounts in (at least eu)
clear pulsar
I only take forehead kisses from my momma
robust vigil
For someone whining about wpvp discord you sure make a lot of personal jabs
I didn't say anything until he said "cry about it" lol
And a forehead kiss isn't a personal jab
tropic schooner
or you go watch people like mies, (old) drainer on twitch
robust vigil
So I made one comment about how he was acting like a middle schooler and another about him being pressed or mad
If those are personal jabs
Then maybe I'm not the one with soft skin
viscid remnant
just put the fries in the bag brah
tropic schooner
how could you believe that that is a thinly veiled threat
very weird
only idiots would write such a thing
robust vigil
I'm sorry things blew up tbh. I literally wasn't even trying to start a fight when I shared my perspective. I think I just got defensive cause it seemed like you guys responded to my opinion very strongly so I kinda dug my heels in
But I just want to be friends
tardy hare
Wanna start another fight?
clear pulsar
Cant believe I missed it
robust vigil
😂
I think if I had started this off by saying my opinion is a theory you would have handled it better. Because I have only been up to 1700 in RBG since I came back and I stated my theory very confidently
Next time I'll try not to speak about things I don't have experience in
tropic schooner
nah we also woulda said your theory is wrong
robust vigil
Have you eaten those feral/discs yet
wary stirrup
Have you eaten those feral/discs yet
clear pulsar
I think if I had started this off by saying my opinion is a theory you would hav...
Thats the crux of it really. You can talk about the theory of how people should behave the better they are at a team based game, but it's just not reality
Hell even up to pro levels. Tons of teams in many games sound absolutely dysfunctional whenever their comms are made available or after they break apart and you get the real talk interviews
But they still win/won
And yes the content of what they say when they're toxic can be more accurate, like when they criticize you they know what they're talking about better, but idk if that means anything when we were it comes to being toxic (RUDE)
robust vigil
Yeah. In ESO I used to sweat pretty hard in PvP. A lot of COMPd groups on Coms. I played with the uptight dudes who called every single small action out. And I played with the dudes who laughed when they died. All skilled players. usually the better players I played with were more casual on COMs and more likely to laugh it off when they died. As opposed to rage when they lose. And the people who were worse at the game were more uptight because they were trying to do everything possible to win. But I won with both groups of people. And even the relaxed guys would yell at each other sometimes. But I prefer to play with the relaxed guys
clear pulsar
Your theory/evidence also equated being good at a game with being intelligent
robust vigil
Some of its personality type. Some of it is comfortability with the game and skill.
Everyone will get frustrated at some point and yell at people
clear pulsar
Which might be the single wrongest sentence typed in this chat this year
robust vigil
My assumption is people who make it farther in PvP are in general more familiar with the concept of tilt and it's effects than people at the bottom
tropic schooner
Yeah. In ESO I used to sweat pretty hard in PvP. A lot of COMPd groups on Coms. ...
so your personal experience is that that group of people had toxic and slightly less toxic and rude people in it?
that checks out
robust vigil
I mean everyone yells at their teammates sometimes in my experience or gets shaken or flustered or whatever
But some people's baseline is that
clear pulsar
My assumption is people who make it farther in PvP are in general more familiar ...
Yeah this is just wrong
Idk
robust vigil
Everyone I've PvPd with on COMS has eventually lost their cool at least once except maybe one or two people lol
tropic schooner
if anyone seriously yells like that
im insta gone
sure discussing about losses and somewhat blaming/asking thats normal
but yelling in voice absolutely nope
clear pulsar
I dont think I've yelled at someone playing a videogame with me in like 6 years?! Maybe you have your own personal anecdotal concept of what yelling means
ily
robust vigil
Yeah I'm not sure about how we define telling but like last night I was PvPing with my buddy and he kept telling us to get the priest, and my shadow steps were off cooldown and the priest was kiting so I was on the rogue
And eventually he was like WE NEED TO KILL THE PRIEST OR NO ONE IS GOING TO DIE pretty loudly
But I understood him to know he was just upset in the moment because it was tense right
Like he wasn't calling me a piece of shit
viscid remnant
sometimes u get salty when nothing happens
robust vigil
His tone of voice was certainly elevated and it was clear he was upset
viscid remnant
i do this too
tropic schooner
And eventually he was like WE NEED TO KILL THE PRIEST OR NO ONE IS GOING TO DIE ...
sure thats okay
robust vigil
Yeah everyone does in my experience. Some less and more than others
tropic schooner
but thats not really yelling
polar nymph
There's getting annoyed and then there's being Lontar
robust vigil
but thats not really yelling
Its yelling in the context I'm referring to of people losing their cool as opposed to being relaxed
Which was the entire point I was making up above
Sure there is degrees of yelling
clear pulsar
I think enten and I are thinking more of berating others
robust vigil
Ummm
tropic schooner
Yeah. In ESO I used to sweat pretty hard in PvP. A lot of COMPd groups on Coms. I played with the uptight dudes who called every single small action out.
tropic schooner
yea
and you talk about yelling in dysfunctional stuff even rarely
and not a yell target call
robust vigil
As much as I hate when people use the term strawman, I think you're strawmanning. My entire point was that I'd rather play with people who are more relaxed. And in my experience the best people I've ever played with tended to be more relaxed under pressure and handle stress better, and laugh off mistakes
robust vigil
As opposed to people I've played with who call out Everytime they use a potion, are anxious the entire time, and yell or rage when they get mad
tropic schooner
"but I won with both groups"
robust vigil
Sure. And I lost with both groups
tropic schooner
if that was actually your point
you woulda said that the relaxed people were better
tropic schooner
where?
I prefer to play with them?
my man are you gaslighting yourself?
prefering to play != they are better
robust vigil
I literally said that in my experience the people who were better players were more likely to laugh it off when they died
As opposed to being more uptight
Why are you dissecting every comment I make anyways
Are you bored? Did I do something to personally offend you?
tropic schooner
yea
robust vigil
I didn't even start it up again
polar nymph
viscid remnant
absurd defiance
clear pulsar
Right. I was talking about berating teammates, mocking, pointing fingers constantly
polar nymph
you can stop too
safe heart
i actually had a teammate tell me i made a sick play the other day
robust vigil
DM me if y'all want to continue but I'm kinda feeling fried from this convo tbh lol
Ggs
safe heart
was almost taken a back
clear pulsar
I think in general you're just relating things based on how it happened to you that arent necessarily related
robust vigil
I don't think we need to continue talking about it here
clear pulsar
you can stop anytime
robust vigil
I just said feel free to DM me
clear pulsar
Walk away
robust vigil
tropic schooner
<:ThumbsUp:797347380453441596> you can stop anytime
you arent allowed to talk without his permission
tardy hare
Zzz why do people want to take things to dms
Thats so boring
Keep it in here so we can enjoy some yapping
clear pulsar
Dont DM me @robust vigil
strange hawk
I feel like I’m back in World of PvP
clear pulsar
Bless you
robust vigil
Why are you being weird
wanton ridge
f2f about to become a pvp therapist
robust vigil
I tried to do the right thing and take our shit personal instead of bombarding this chat which I assume is here with the purpose of serving everyone and doesn't just exist for my personal disputes
And now you're tagging me in chat and flaming me for DMing you?
clear pulsar
Ok lol
polar nymph
No one here wants to talk to you about whatever this is
clear pulsar
Like I said I just dont like dming for no reason
polar nymph
They were just using you in this channel for entertainment
viscid remnant
Densitymaxxer
tardy hare
Entertainment for sure
weary canyon
Like I said I just dont like dming for no reason
same
clear pulsar
Idk what homeboy is yapping on about. I was talking in good faith the entire time as far as I'm concerned. But there's a reason I've had loststray blocked for a few months now. If you wanna let him to get to your head that's your choice @robust vigil
polar nymph
Nice bait from face2face
tiny oar
ppl keep dming
tardy hare
Im gonna DM u @weary canyon
tropic schooner
have it in my bio too
gotta dm you to ask about it
safe heart
dms are a public space
weary canyon
no theyre not
robust vigil
In any major chat I've been in, when people have a dispute, the recommended polite thing to do is take it to the DMs if it drags on and people can't walk away
weary canyon
good luck with that ill turn them off rn
tardy hare
Okey do it
tardy hare
In any major chat I've been in, when people have a dispute, the recommended poli...
Correct, and the mods will tell you to do so
robust vigil
Just an attempt at etiquette
tiny oar
;)
tardy hare
Dms are for quickly calling either of y'all an imbecile without typing it in here
Therefore dodging server rules
++
robust vigil
Nah I don't think anyone in here is dumb
tardy hare
I think all of y'all are dumb
robust vigil
I do feel under scrutiny but I bring a lot of it on myself so I shouldn't really complain lol
tropic schooner
quite sure @harsh ore is prime dumb
weary canyon
i get uncomfortable when strangers talk to me without bystanders
clear pulsar
I just said I dont like being DMd
robust vigil
I got ya
clear pulsar
It has nothing to do with anything or anyone else
robust vigil
I didn't know
clear pulsar
Raven is my spirit animal
tardy hare
People out here having social anxiety online
tropic schooner
People out here having social anxiety online
absolutely
not only online, calling people absolute worst thing
id rather travel somewhere for an hour to get there in person
then calling
tropic schooner
https://tenor.com/view/epik-epik-duck-epik-duck-coin-teh-epik-duck-epik-duck-dan...
tardy hare
Just sending people a text or email is bis
Calling either for the homies or for acting like an idiot in RBGs
robust vigil
Like a DM
tardy hare
Yes but i want to have multiple people included
For bigger engagement
Not having to call for reservations in restaurant is bis
Online reservation
Pogger
livid wasp
how to own everyone at 2s shingeki
viscid remnant
shingeki has the biggest damage
livid wasp
show me
viscid remnant
the yugest damage
tiny oar
Big dam no breaks
viscid remnant
its frankly unbelieveable
tropic schooner
you can take some breaks
tardy hare
you can take some breaks
Only in between kills
tardy hare
how to own everyone at 2s shingeki
My arena performance not too hot at the moment boss
tropic schooner
well its october
livid wasp
but you were popping off
tardy hare
Temporarily at 1600 people yes
livid wasp
I just hit 1.6k today too
livid wasp
I dont blitz
viscid remnant
big blitzer
livid wasp
blitz is just rng
wanton ridge
I didn't think I'd enjoy blitz but I fell in love with eye of the storm
tiny oar
extent of EU lake
tropic schooner
extent of EU lake
im at professional 0 rating
I should at some point set a char up
wanton ridge
im at professional 0 rating
aka: you're undefeated, ggwp
wanton ridge
actually... yeah that didn't make sense but glad it worked out
clear pulsar
Its full of idiots
Yeah it's a vibe
tardy hare
One game u roll 2400 mmr with people who never set foot in an arena
And then next game u roll 2400 mmr with r1 gamers
livid wasp
its not fun at all when youre in the team of idiots and lose
at least in 2s you can try to play like a god and win
weary canyon
theres no trying zechey
safe heart
queueing shuffle is already really sus and ifeel guilty every time i do it but queueing blitz is just like letting your inner demons farm you mental for xp
wanton ridge
it helps when you get in there and spam ppl to FOCUS ON THE GD ORBS
wanton ridge
its very weird in blitz, like the play is just to pick orbs, go mid, die, go again
clear pulsar
Biggest zechey W take
tropic schooner
I kinda like kotmogu
clear pulsar
Kotmogu sucks
livid wasp
in random bg kotmogu I can drop the orb when im at risk of dying with nitro boosts but nope in blotz
wanton ridge
but when you somehow survive and you one shot everything, then it becomes interesting
tiny oar
FUCK KOTMOGU
tardy hare
Gotta farm the orb carriers for free points
So many apes grab orb and insta die
Free points for enemy zzzz
livid wasp
people whined about seething shore in rbgs but it would be far better than kotshit
wanton ridge
my fun is to prowl and typhoon people down in mid when they are scared to go with orb
tropic schooner
people whined about seething shore in rbgs but it would be far better than kotsh...
for blitz maybe
for rbgs I doubt it
tropic schooner
could reduce the vehicles to 1 each I guess
wanton ridge
sota as boomie, root/cyclone spam while being a passenger 
tropic schooner
dont think last iteration had passengers
wanton ridge
Yeah I think they tweaked at the end
robust vigil
FUCK KOTMOGU
My least fave on my assassination rogue and I feel like I get it at least 50% of my games
safe heart
when i play bigball bg i usually just take orb and go tuck myself into a corner of the middle part and i will have basically no one bother me fore atleast 2-5 minutes
robust vigil
when i play bigball bg i usually just take orb and go tuck myself into a corner ...
That's awesome
safe heart
sit in corner, in bear form
wanton ridge
when i play bigball bg i usually just take orb and go tuck myself into a corner ...
my strategy too. Then I try to tranq and forget I can't use it while holding an orb rip
late wraith
Holy so much yap at 6am today hello? This is taking forever to read what the?
tropic schooner
Holy so much yap at 6am today hello? This is taking forever to read what the?
dont lie its not 6 am
late wraith
You all posted at 6am it’s almost 8 now
tropic schooner
fake news
safe heart
i just thought about this but a couple months ago i went to work with 2 different shoes on and didnt notice till about 10am
tropic schooner
beavs toxic lying as usual
deep canopy
timezones new concept
late wraith
i just thought about this but a couple months ago i went to work with 2 differen...
This is so enjicoded it’s unreal
tropic schooner
timezones new concept
dont accept those things
late wraith
beavs toxic lying as usual
I’m gonna start saying rando shit about league to get you going again
tardy hare
Kite em all outside of middle the real tactic for trihards
late wraith
Truuuuuuue
tiny oar
Holy so much yap at 6am today hello? This is taking forever to read what the?
its so fricked up
late wraith
The thing is though? I don’t know anything about league so I have to go do some research first and it’s too early
tropic schooner
The thing is though? I don’t know anything about league so I have to go do some ...
gold value calculations for items
tardy hare
Just say it's good that they replaced Ninja Tabis
tropic schooner
I absolutely detest that
tropic schooner
Just say it's good that they replaced Ninja Tabis
its just a rename
late wraith
I bet ent doesn’t even have ice toboggan corky skin
tropic schooner
they didnt
tropic schooner
I think I dont
tardy hare
The same
tardy hare
tardy hare
Idk i dont play league anymore
tropic schooner
pretty sure the (modern) tabis were the same
like sure OG ones iirc had dodge
but that was longer ago then david is alive
late wraith
Okay stop I’m trying to catch up and every post sets the chat back everyone stop
tropic schooner
Okay stop I’m trying to catch up and every post sets the chat back everyone stop
what kind of shitty thing do you use
safe heart
@ everyone stop
tardy hare
Stop?
late wraith
what kind of shitty thing do you use
My phone what the heyll?
safe heart
what the halibut
late wraith
Okay I think I mostly caught up holy so much yap
livid wasp
so we can talk now?
late wraith
It depends
robust vigil
Okay I think I mostly caught up holy so much yap
All just so you could have a good read for your blessed morning poo
late wraith
What are you gonna say zechey are you gonna complain?
livid wasp
well im at work not playing
late wraith
Well I’m sorry about that work is hell
livid wasp
its kinda boring I sit 80% of the day on my phone doing nothing
tropic schooner
its kinda boring I sit 80% of the day on my phone doing nothing
could go make some fun spreadsheets
clear pulsar
I'm a HUGE spreadsheeter
livid wasp
spreadsheets?
tropic schooner
=XVERWEIS(C2;PricesJC[Item];PricesJC[Price])*XVERWEIS(Jewelcrafting!C2;JCCraftData[Item];JCCraftData[Ingredient 1]) + XVERWEIS(C4;PricesJC[Item];PricesJC[Price])*XVERWEIS(Jewelcrafting!C2;JCCraftData[Item];JCCraftData[Ingredient 2])+ XVERWEIS(C5;PricesJC[Item];PricesJC[Price])*XVERWEIS(Jewelcrafting!C2;JCCraftData[Item];JCCraftData[Ingredient 3])+ XVERWEIS(C6;PricesJC[Item];PricesJC[Price])*XVERWEIS(Jewelcrafting!C2;JCCraftData[Item];JCCraftData[Ingredient 4])+ XVERWEIS(C7;PricesJC[Item];PricesJC[Price])*XVERWEIS(Jewelcrafting!C2;JCCraftData[Item];JCCraftData[Ingredient 5])
look at my absolute beautiful excel command
Xverweis = xlookup
(im sure you can do it easier)
but im excel noob
clear pulsar
My latest was comparing different sources of damage rerolls in bg3
tropic schooner
clear pulsar
And a graph
livid wasp
nerds
clear pulsar
Great weapon fighting is better than people seem to think
If you cant afford savage attacker feat
late wraith
I love a spreadsheet
tropic schooner
who doesnt thats just an absolute sane take
wanton ridge
I started with spreadsheets and ended up building an entire full blown golang app that stores every AH data every hour
worth it, making gold
tropic schooner
I started with spreadsheets and ended up building an entire full blown golang ap...
for me an issue with most addons are I dont want current AH data
like craftsim is okay at it where you can swap prices fairly easily of things
clear pulsar
Damn you made it much prettier and better organized than me
wanton ridge
for me an issue with most addons are I dont want current AH data
For crafting stuff yeah. I'm into mog/recipe flipping, use the web api blizzard makes available, every hour its a race to try to get the steals lol
tropic schooner
ah yea
fuck that
one thing I might eventually do is sell bags on other servers
but way too lazy
to check servers for prices and shit
wanton ridge
Prob made over 4-5mil buying pvp recipes at 7g and resell at 50-60k
wanton ridge
best snipe so far was a pair of level 30 green shoulders I bought for 5g in shadowlands, it sold for 1.5mil in less than 2 hours lmao
warbank made all that so much degen though
late wraith
Cross server swiping and selling with my army of vulperas
wanton ridge
i make void elves, orgrimmar is stinky
tropic schooner
i make void elves, orgrimmar is stinky
suboptimal smh
hmt druids
cat form and charge
wanton ridge
they are all parked in shrine anyway
late wraith
orgrimmar is stinky but the vulpera have their own little bank and ah
tropic schooner
shrine is annoying
wanton ridge
I even have a tracker that tells me if all my chars are in shrine, and have engineering on all servers
wanton ridge
shrine is annoying
if you hav engineering its bis, ah/bank/guildbank/vendor without moving
late wraith
Oxez you’re the best lol
tropic schooner
if you hav engineering its bis, ah/bank/guildbank/vendor without moving
mailbox?
wanton ridge
yep right next to ah
tropic schooner
do you have to move
wanton ridge
at most one step because the banekr npc sometimes takes 2 steps