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Yes rank 1 situation is different to dps
But that also isn't particularly relevant to 99.99% of all players
And you compete with other ppl of the same spec at that point
Not just rank 1 though. Everyone reports the same. I’m the same. I’m 400 CR higher on a dps alt I’d never played before this season than my main healer. You just literally gain more rating per win as a dps
I don't report the same
And you get less 3-3s but as I said before, the 3-3 situation is what it is. I’ve made my peace with it
Was easier for me as disc compared to shadow when I played
And I'm better as shadow
Shadow in a 3 melee lobby sounds really fun
Man they ruined shadow over the course of this expac
But that’s a whole other tangent
2p is a no brainer. 4p I dont think it's gonna be bad at all, you're basically wearing 1 bad piece for some gain which I feel like is at worst a net neutral.
And more 2-4s
For every 6-0 DPS that makes you go 3-3, 3 DPS went 2-4, why do you ignore them?
Makes sense, which pieces for 2-set?
Prob hands and legs
Shoulder good
Then you'd just be picking 1 high crit piece for the 4p bonus
It's not the worst but the CDR is only 7.5s in pvp fwiw
Doesnt put it on the same timer as TF
You got that wrong way round. When a dps goes 0-6 the other 3 go 4-2, not 2-4
Do you bother reading the first 3 words before replying
What am I missing?

I’d love to see stats on what the most common SS round outcomes were. It would be really interesting
Like, I reckon 0-6 dps happens way more than 6-0 dps but that’s entirely anecdotal from my own experience
I think it would not nearly be as slanted as people believe
Perhaps
I do think 6-0 is more likely then 0-6 because people might be more inclined to leave if they are down like 0-5
But also don't think that's a huge percentage
I think it's largely more likely at like ratings lower than 1600, 1800 later in the season
Cuz it's where better players smash thru placement games
Otherwise it should be about the same
Maybe depends on your ability. As someone who plays usually in the 1800-2100 range, I tend do have more of a steady climb and witness other people having a steady climb. Whilst seeing a rogue or a lock get absolutely dumped on in a bad lobby is a daily occurrence
If you’re a r1 player you probably experience people blitz through lower ratings and get 6-0s regularly
I do see 6-0s from dps but it is for sure rarer. It’s usually a DH or someone on a glad mount
It isn't because healers can lose MMR for going 5-1.
Happened to me a few times last season.
I don't want to hear you say that I should have gone 6-0 as a response to this because that would be an outrageous expectation on anyone
I swear to god bro I get another ping talking about healer mmr copium I'm gonna commit arson
(in minecraft)
Did you commit arson?
I don't know if it's fixed this season but it was absolutely true last season that healers were having a much harder time climbing in Shuffle
It's pure copium and some of the most meaningless discussion of all time just play the game man
I had many times where I gained absolutely nothing for winning 4-5 matches
I did play the game
I played 3500 rounds
I have seen so many claims but almost all were absolutely logical and they just ignored their MMR or cr
There have been very few which looked somewhat odd
But not the norm at all and far from my experience
I think I've shared screenshots here before when they happened to me
Yes and I'm sure vast majority was normal a f
Same way with healers which claimed to get matched into 600 MMR different games
Which destroyed their gainz
The key factor was getting matched up against a healer around 100-150 mmr lower and gaining no rating and roughly 1 mmr for going 4 wins
Those just almost never happened
Sure that could happen if you were very high
But it was not common
And it didn't influence all that much
Would you count 2k as very high last season about 3 months in?
Not baiting you
Genuinely asking
Getting 2100 as HPriest was a much more mammoth task to pull off than 2100 on Arcane was for me.
Weirdly though, it was a 3-3 that eventually got me over 2100 on Holy.
Wait a minute...
No I would not count that as very high which means I doubt that claim that it was a very frequent issue that you got placed into very low lobbies with that big gap
Especially if you consider the high lobbies you also got placed in
Idk why some people are so determined to deny there’s a problem as queues continue to escalate more and more out of control as fewer and fewer people are willing to heal and they all report MMR gains as the primary source of frustration. At a certain point you’re just denying the obvious
Ah yes
Wisdom of crowds
Famed source of the most accurate and reasonable takes in life
You can say that but if people feel they’re getting fucked over by the system then they might as well be because they’ll act like they are
So at that point, their perception may as well be reality
Even if they’re wrong
I'm gonna go
So you could argue that they’re wrong and watch the game die, or try to do make changes that alter perception and ease their pains
Guessing you’ve never done leadership/change management training? 😄
What's change management training?
Regrowth actually does something now
It feels great
Anything short of flesh craft isn't enough
Ppl feel like they get fucked over by any matchmaking system
Last night I had a 156k hps lobby
I was healing a feral
How many ppl cry they are in elo hell in just about any game?
Last night the changes weren't in yet.
Like sure maybe blizzard should display things differently so the feeling changes that could be honestly valid
But that doesn't mean the system is at fault
Like give healers 300 more rating displayed on their screen without changing any actual matchmaking
Haha well yeah that is probably true
I’m a good player. How do I know? Cause it’s obvious. So if mmr decides I’m a low rated bad player then it’s clearly wrong
understandable considering ratings are kind of gated behind their mmr changes throughout season
I managed to drop my league MMR from D2 to low emerald recently

I played other champs then kogmaw bad idea
never go full kog
I don't think regrowth is gunna change anything tbh
It's got buffed 66% so far this season
Surely at some point ferals have to stop coping that regrowth does nothing
We need 2 charges of wall
While I wouldn't be opposed to that I don't think we need it now
We can actually use Pred Swiftness on healing again.
HotW is also good too now
Since you can use if offensively on clones
Which then feeds in to more PSwift procs
Which tbf is still not very much but it’s a big improvement
Well it's superior to theirs now (as it's supposed to be)
Because we don't have the passive tankiness against melee that they do without giving up our damage.
So it makes perfect sense that our Regrowth is better.
Which it now is.
I love the positivity fr
No lol I'm srs ofc

It's so weird reading class discords all still whine that X buff isnt enough and so on
All the time
it's a cool spec I like it
Because people have been conditioned that the group that whines the loudest gets the squeaky buff wheel from Blizzard.
And yeah sometimes it isnt enough, but many times changes are perfectly reasonable and in line with what you should expect but they want their spec to just be buffed to OPness without any regard for anything else
I don’t think they’re missing much even
They’re knocking down over performers and buffing under performers
And looking at game state and reducing overall damage
Just people being ticky tacky about whether it’s too much or too little
But I don’t think they’re missing
Except ele nerfs that was totally unjustified and I am furious
Yeah they've been good enough with the tuning for sure, the main issue is always the reworks, the dev in charge makes all these cool things that obviously end up being OP as fuck across the board and they dont catch it like they should
Players also spend more time playing the game than the devs that do tuning do so both sides will have different opinions sometimes.
My conspiracy theory is that they do this so people will play the shiny new reworks.
It would feel pretty bad to get a rework and feel like you're in the same spot.
But this is just a theory...
A GAME-
sorry
That could be, not even just as like some trickery, but also for their data. Make spec OP so everyone that quit come back and test it and give feedback etc.
Tho I'm more on the camp of the dev in charge genuinely just gets too into it and disregards other specs
I think doing a rework kinda demands that it be cool and very good
Cause I don’t think players would accept that a mid class needing a rework stays mid but the buttons you’re pressing to stay mid flows better
People also dont know the best solution to anything
especially when how a class plays is so subjective to begin with
They feel some valid problem and jump to conclusions that arent so valid
on whether people love it or hate it
Like when a spec is strong their utility is suddenly called OP and necessary for all m+
Or when a spec is weak it has 0 utility and needs a rework
It's just silliness
100%
If you completely rework a spec every patch, you’re fighting an uphill battle with balancing
Could work but they need a longer testing cycle on changes and they need to actually listen to PTR feedback
Everyone saw the Ret apocalypse a mile away. Same with holy pala, DH. Everyone was saying how busted they were. Then they went live anyway.
Unforced error
I wonder if playing a bleed build in st anyway is trolling? 
I'm sure @clear pulsar can slap some sense back in to me
What is even a bleed build tho
Circle over apex?
Thats the only relevant change really
Circle and Swarm
That but Circle over Apex did the trick
It’s literally my favorite spec ever, it’s just not my best / favorite role
dont think u play swarm@anymore no
also bleed build os not a thing ans never was
ppl thought s1 was bleeds
was all funneling knto apex bites
ferals hasnt been bleeds at all this xpac
i mean u can play it
but i dont think ud play it in the pw build
and im not sure its a gain in the sbj build
FACE TWO FACE
NAH BLUD THINKS HES HARVEY DENT
ONLY DENT HE HAS IS IN HIS HEAD
fucking REAL
But it easy
You make the green
And then blame the dps

Tf is a ferocious bite

FF damage still does a lot of damage in Saber Jaws, Swarm buffing that is likely going to be more valuable than 1 extra CI point.
Plus, it's generally based to be a Swarm gamer
Weird question…. On items like Verdent Aspirants silk foot wraps it says the item leave increases to 476 in arena and battlegrounds. Do the stats increase in arena and battlegrounds too? Or just the item level ?
How can you increase item level without increasing the stats
yeah but like what does ilvl mean if the number goes up and every stat stays the same
you can also test this by hitting a pvp training dummy and seeing what ur stats are before and after starting combat
Thank you
@viscid remnant https://twitter.com/SpinninBackfist/status/1736244815103213919
DESEAN
I think the better question is what the fuck are moons

4p is worth it for resto druids?
yes
Next question
3p, final offer
Yes
Next question

Foi mal não tinha visto 
caralho!
btw im still looking for cassava flour
eventually
I will find some

@late wraith
How do u get that
the box from daily xmas quest
bro ineed fucking injection
why am i not supposed to macro flap with wild charge?
seems like i go farther with it macro'd?
i mean ye whole point of it imo is to create space
i am giga dps in mythicals
what are the top targets for SOOTHE?
(I'm new to druid healing)
ok thanks
literally not even on the bar?
moonfire doesn't reflect
so u can save urself a bind
lol
sooth does nothing for pvp
maybe I'll make a zandalari druid one of these days
free up a button
since they have no racial


NEVER GETTING 1800 PRES
i see ur in the depths of mordor
just gonna stop being i start crying
@tiny oar 30 ish yolos down 70 more to go
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
yea so close just 6-0 the next 10 lobbies
iidk if pres is just dogshit or rdruid is just that op
literally just cant keep ppl topped 2mins in its so awful
For rdru mains pres is so weird
The constant 100-10 while you’re echo empowering a spell ping pong over and over again lol
yea maybe i should be echoing more i dont rly press it a lot yet
Don’t cry yet lake you gotta just keep grinding. You can cry once you reach 1200
Are any boomies playing starfall into melee?
In solo shuffle
Rudar says it is noob bait in his guide
Too little dmg
You dont win by rotting enemies down these days
You win by blasting starsurges into their bottoms
Nice that's what I thought
A fellow shuffler said I was throwing by not running starfall lol
looking cute
cutie patootie
" a fellow shuffler" 
most of those people aren't worth listening to.
I have flashbacks of morons running into the fire and calling healer out for not healing.
this is actually really good
is a nice set i didnt like it at first but its growing on me
a lot of transmog also looks really dope on nightelf
helps a lot imo
the longer I look at it the more I like it
maybe is time to lvl a draenei
meh
i already took my estrogen today but ty g love u
im playing enh/rdruid in 2s with my bud
And I legit have no idea what we’re supposed to do vs affliction
Only hyperagression makes sense… We dont have mortal strike and Most healing done meters in games we lose have the affliction healing like half the dmg himself… enemy healer doesnt bother healing most of the time
No mortal strike in 2s is such a handicap actually
Would I be out of order suggesting that DH need yet more nerfs? Their burst is still disgusting
Do you wake up and think "I'm going to be as antagonistic as possible today"?

Terrible place. Good emotes
I seen a dk named puzzleboxers or something and I thought it was you til I looked on my friends list to see you were on the shaman @grand mesa lmao
What's terrible about it?
It’s full of evokers. Wdym
Hahaha yeah I don’t play dk
LOL fair play
I like augs in my keys

Aug in my key means I’m always top 2 on meters 😎

True
I prefer m4
thats pretty low all the cool kids are farming m18s

I jump
Only with Lunar Inspiration.
Soothe can still be used when not playing it.
So when the guy is saying he’s new to resto healing and asking about soothe. Why are u talking about lunar inspiration
Didn't see that
Clearly
yeah thats wrong, puzzle misses me all the time
Miss me
no
😨
I just went 2-2 in a shuffle and i won the 5th round and some lad left in the exact same moment and didnt get my 3-2....
Do you watch bicmex
I mean pve
Oh
Yeah had a leaver last night for first time since s1 lol
I'll leave rn idgaf
Anyone around ~1600 wanna heal some 2s?
ban shuffle leavers
i think 1 week shuffle ban everytime u leave one would be appropriate
ban schnitzel criminals
You are not the Schnitzel Polizei 
ofc I am?
why do u even care about reflect if ur not gonna cast a clone after
whats the point of saying better to be in form for soothe
lol
Apparently Spell Reflect only reflects back on to Ferals, TIL
It's definitely useful to remove a reflect off the Warrior for caster and healer teammates.
And if you can do it with Soothe then why not as it keeps you in Cat Form.
simply swap to bm they're blasting
i only have my one friend who is a good bm hunter to base this off of but you know

the old "i chose the hard spec" defense mechanism. claaaaassic
play ww its way more based and fun than any hunter spec
Monks are evil
you all ever think they should just delete all of them?
from the game?
like this week especially?
Why this week? Undelete next week?
I wanna play ww
You should
It’s fun it’s just the dmg isn’t very brain off so you’d prob wanna practice on dummies for a bit
Let's say I'm a god at proccing bloodtalons
Does that change ur answer
No cause it still takes some muscle memory managing chi energy and ur finishers
And after you get used to normal ability prio you need to practice serenity cast sequence a few times cause that’s when u do omega dam
Fuji picked it up really quickly for what it’s worth
Yeah I just mean it’s going to be hard to play ww correctly in pvp if ur constantly looking at ur buttons or trying to mash the wrong one
Compared to warr or dh
enh is exploding my brain
Pretty button mashy?
Supatease said the same thing about feral
His advice was to just hit any button that lights up
That's a good point
It's almost like supatease makes click bait vibeos after he loses a shuffle

supatease a meme
@vestal citrus i have one free spark rn, what's the embel i should prio for boomy shuffle
thanks king imma check ladder too
Precog #1 for sure
i'm seeing a mix of precog & verdant conduit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oPdsijei9eGRmeJXPP3JFa @vestal citrus this is spark number 4 and i already don't need it anymore
How good is +6% physical armor for rdruid
Why am I being attacked for having fun with a spec that's more engaging to play
cuz ur doing the omega cringe thing of playing a worse spec on the same class just to be epic and stand out. Me on the other hand, i would never, ever do that. I always play the best spec on my class no amtter what
like in sanctum

@river solstice
is cyon a hair loss enjoyer?

I’m in this first sentence and I don’t like it 🤣
real
come play fdk with me
real chad spec
Frost dk is Pog
cuz ur doing the omega cringe thing of playing a worse spec on the same class just to be epic and stand out. Me on the other hand, i would never, ever do that. I always play the best spec on my class no amtter what
You doing frost dk keys?

i am trying to
puzzle ditched
pod ditched
beavs ditched
matt ditched
taxes ditched


tbf the overlap of people that enjoy sv and those that enjoy mm/bm probably just isnt very high
they play too differently (sv is more fun)
i was out doing errands i'm here now though if you need to be carried through content
sorry face. sorry.
surv is bis I love it fuck bm
Some specs are simply superior to others.
And Survival is superior to the other two Hunter specs.
However
It is still a Hunter spec so it deserves our undivided ridicule.
I love my survival hunter homies
Nothing wrong with Survival players
Nothing wrong with Survival, but everything wrong with Hunter.
Nah Survival's fine.
rem when hunters could tame ferals
survival is an absolute chad spec
bicmex ?????
like bruh
it do need some love though, i mained it for pvp last season and it's just felt a bit incomplete damage-wise
tis too late
already ditched
aw well
Rdru convoke ?
u all left
INSTANTLY
tilted
for sure

not my fault i was missing motw
thats why i died
and i did like 3 pull
s
with red weapon

i had raid! otherwise it was fun lol i love a chaos dungeon
i actually would have preferred to keep running you through stuff cause raid felt bad last night
the vibes were on the floor
Correction. 41:38 (11:37 over)
when we suddenly had 4 of those blood guys i was like this is a perfect run
no notes
But everyone can confirm I was vibin
yeah ben was very chill
You dropping to 1% on dragon was 👌
i extremely loved how in chat we were all like he is not living this if he gets earthshake. then you panic cycled through all your defensives. then on the floor again.
@stray sigil idk what your hours are but I’ll help out with 4 +18-20s next reset when I’m back
Daytime wed / Thursday I’m back and open

me and ben will carry you in our strong arms. we will drag your corpse along the floor of 20s
were is some good (ai)art when you need it




So what’s the default build for RBG Boomkin? I looked at the top players and no one uses the same build. I’m not talking small variations - some build go heavy Starfall, some just don’t take it, new moon, fury, w/o shrooms? Very confusing.
if ur playing for damp u should try to peel for ur healer and let them drink

dragon boss is a long one

no
coming up aginst feral is so weird

i will be around tomorrow
did he fuck ur ass with clones
i killed him he jsut did no damage. he just cyclones constantly
no i just lined them lol
22k?
yeah lol
Wild
i shouldn't put this poor guy's name out there
i'm gonna delete it lol
i feel like all of them are kinda like this? it might be that this level but they all do no damage they just act annoying and cyclone and jitter all over the place
I think ferals are spazzy now ye

when they do actually get damage off it's a lot but they just kinda do whatever this is and they all have the worst internet connection on the planet
STOP bullying
I can’t believe Fiji woke me up by spamming my DMs about pve shit
make sure to rem to spay and neuter your ferals

I was falling asleep reading wowhead guide on rsham lmao
Close Discord when you go to bed loser.
i watched like 20 guides last night gg
fuji needs ilvl lol
if only i had mote
He won’t live random aoe
they got tired of refreshing it for you you died like 40 times
avoidance doesn’t work as well as you think it should
was more like 30 actually
A lot of pve land damage isn’t coded such that avoidance actually works
I think avoidance was giga good last raid?
but usually doesn’t do much
Maybe m+ it’s way more common
God now I’m gonna care about leech again
the goo u guys planted on me
oh i thought ben was putting your mark up looool whuups
u ufck
stop dying so much
you got 100-0'd. i used all my procs on you
i used literally every regrowth proc on your frail little ass
wrong
right
Fiji you did 24k overall. I really think Ben’s gcd spent doing his own damage is worth more than the gcd spent healing you
wrong
lol get his ass
Anyone else feels completley gimped on SS damp games ever since the nerf to rdruid?
fdk
frost dk and just OWN fuji?
Fdk
pig
Then gap Fuji
Arcane
could also get higher ilvl in like 30 min of playtime
vs. whatever it is you've been doing
Completely remove groupwide damage with Mass Barrier
well i have been doing notging
He’s been spending his time trying to match his sim dps and getting mad that he can’t

i already played mage last tier im bored of it as alt
and the flask
You sim 24k?
and trhe pot
But then he'd sim for less
u fucking rat
yeah I thought it was funnier this way
what a pig
Also because I don’t want u to care about hitting dummies and matching ur sim dps

wrong
thats not how its coded
Yeah so go do fucking content and kill bosses and you’ll get gear from it too
We're all a bunch of big dummies really
wrong
Wait
ur pig
I got called out by some clown who thinks PvP gearing isn't bis?
five me keys now
I'm never listening to you again
I’m in bed I told u I’ll play during weekend
I have more keys with the boys tomorrow night lol
if u want ilvl injection

but if I’m home early
I’ll slam with u and beavs
tf
i sont want to buy boee
he has to accept the random invite from bigdingus this time
itw ont be u
@edgy shale come
it will be puzzle
Hawt
1.7 mill with socket helm
you don’t want to buy BOE you want to do it legit so you harass people to drag u thru 18s at 430 ilvl
alright gimme 2m gold then
and a ring
I spent 4 mil for mythic helm with leech to catalyze in sepulcher 
buy a token
buy a handful of tokens
are u dementiainf
wait isnt crit good for fdk?
all stats are good
calls me dementia
apparently
asks me to run him through stuff
this ring is prob ur bis its like 90/10 crit mast
vers not so much
wild
somehow he does
buy it for me?
what is this
I think other people I’d be so annoyed
hello
puzzle said he would
They’d be blocked
tell him u need
wrong u said
~4 mill for boes
i would literally ignore anyone else why is he able to accomplish this
Idk
u can catalyze it
He’s dummy kid brother who walks into walls
buy it me pod
that’s how I think of him
truuuue lol
? why r u @ing me
pod
i already bought it and mailed it
buy me it
check mail
i dont have gold but if i did id buy fuji all the boes he wants, he deserves it
it takes an horu
real
real
yes it is
good

pig
then i don't need to do these keys
bromance ruined over a boe hate to see it

i said ur dead to me
pod it’s hilarious
do these keys with Fuji

U get to see a rat scurrying around trying his best to survive
it is very good content
he presses every button
i pressed
from the floor
not my problem
hes waiting for a good moment to open puzzle
he also gets hit by every cleave
lol
there is no bird
there's a run through
shes lying to me pod?
the griffin things
where is bird
fuji dont get gaslamped
gregg never seen a bird
christ
in all his days
so theres no bird?
when
right after first bear
wat bear
you’re paper
as you're about to go over the branch to skip
it’s easy
it only stuns if tank points bird wrong way
what branch
in DHT
fuji its not ur fault if it hits u
the bird picks a random person i am going to scream


sounds like tank fault
Mayo I healed a 21 EB tonight

i'm being gaslamped
why beavs let me die
onlione

It was actually kinda spooky
that third boss 🤣

2nd boss is hard if the melee are braindead and don't move
and let poison go everywhere
2nd I was doing 250k hps
i have ams

there was a dk in my old static m+ group who would stand in sanguine on purpose to build runic
i was the healer i hated that shit lol
fuji even uses AMZ for runic power?
for damage in raids
no?

puzzle u have to remember
wrong
shadowlands was one of my top 2 expansions
not wrong pig
wrong
I remember it happening a lot in bfa
its real pig
u can take it if u want
i rip threat in keys still i blast too hard
oh you actually started in SL?
no wonder u are having fun with this game
no i started wow beginning of shadowlands

lol that's kind of incredible tbh
Has to be zoomer

100p zoomer clown energy
im young but only for 2 more years then im old and bald with arthritis and dementia
his pass time is egging on the boomers in his guild
goddamnit fk u fuji
yeah

and this is bad why?
boomers deserve egging
i didn't pass judgement it's just what you do in your free time
real
i'm just saying what your hobby is
<Crickets>... tell me u wouldnt egg on someone who types that daily

yeah i mean the guy is asking for it no question
no i have an alt on beavs server but she wont ginvite me
classic
you joined a deranged guild before asking me
behavior
and honestly that guild sounds fucking incredible
there’s no point to xfer
someone let mythic guilds know
yeah ill put in a good word for u if u want
They’re gonna add x-realm guilds
And it’ll be in prepatch
let em know
is your guild leader still on vacation thinking up character names?
let all ur ww friends know their spec is getting nerfed cause ive been logging my runs and cranking too hard
im 472 now absolute blaster
no i think the bm is back idk theres a lot of turnover and theres like 20 gms

wait so the one that took a vacation to think of character names is not the gm anymore?
i love this guild i hope you never leave it
i think hes the gm idk if theres other gms with alts or if theyre all his
this is just one boss?
yeah last boss eb
300% bonus damage damn i never realized how high it was
ok jk its not that good my feral did 610
it's funny cause i toss my heal procs on chromie at the end of fall so my healing is insane for that dungeon
300% and Aug
lol absolute clown hours right now
Dude I’m addicted to keys it’s unreal







