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If they pop it on you you press imo
Like if WW pops serenity on u idk if I can even save u unCC’d if u don’t press something
He was in resto channel being smug about running circle cuz he has reasons
And wouldnt say it
We have many people on our fuck circle side
And he was pushing back on it without giving any actual reasoning

So I have given him shit for it a few times now
Evoker on blade's edge
And the dps just completely
Rip
Literally entirely
Ignore the evoker every round
Legit 0 stops
ZERO STOPS
On anything
/afk time
It's so wild man
its so hectic its easy to ignore
Ecks dee its too hectic I cba paying attention to winning the game
already paying attention to doing dmg and not dying
not everyone is blessed with 200 iq brain
You know what’s a good way to stop the dying
It's not 200iq it's having nameplates up
Not letting ur healer get schlept every 15-20s for free
If your healer isnt getting spam slept cuz the evoker can run around the pillar casting that shit faster than cat form speed
That's very good for staying alive
I can handle evokers fine on big maps
But blades edge
Fuck man
Ur already so close to the melee that u could dry hump them because they insist on fighting on the slope of the ramp where they will never get healed if ur further back than 15 yards 🤣
I hate maldraxx colisseum
Big open map I like it
shit game
I cant get 2.1k
why do I lose
I dont get it
mm hunter is so broken
too much survivability
I dont get it
how am I supposed to kill it
explain
too much survivability?
they are notoriously shit with defensives
they have shell
and pet sac
pet sac makes u unable to crit for a bit
exhiliration is a flat heal
like I dunno why even bother chasing them in shuffle
@viscid remnant
needafew mins

going to the store
Just meld the DT rapid fire go.
Or wait for 10.0.5 when dbl tap is removed from the game 🤣🤣🤣🤣
honestly this lol
pussy box
sv is more fun anyway 😛
Ur fault for over performing
facts
u gotta incentivise the ppl ur beating to not leave
to make the game worth anything
played that last game horribly but at least got duelist
Grats man!!!!
Aren’t u glad u queued
If you didn’t follow your New Year’s resolution
No he's duelist
how?
You’d still be at whatever rating scared to queue
LOL
glad I kept queuing despite going 2k today
Ent u don’t pop in here like super regularly but when u so it’s always great
simple, if your game plan is hold w on a caster and he quits its your fault for making him frustrated, if you're winning too much as healer you gotta throw so the other healer doesnt leave /s
Kek
You had me in the first half
if the meta for shuffle is to leave when things are looking bad
you either have a meaningless game, you leave yourself to preserve your mmr, or you throw rounds so others wont leave to get small incremental upgrades
Unfortunately that is the smart decision, thanks to blizzards design
It's still a scummy decision
I will never leave a game
yeah well blizz basically incentivises you to play that way, i
And tbh
I am a shitter who got duelist without leaving a match. I am proud of my mediocre accomplishment
i'm just saying if leavers are your issue, think why they are leaving and how can you stop that
yea
this was the missing
pice
I jsut need to send the fucking dam
havent lost a round yet
from leave-cheesing every game theyd lose mmr?
Yes
But then tbh I really think it’ll go back to original problem of how system awards rating for healers with 3-3 and Shit, healer MMR is gonna be way below dps
Again
i don't think blizzard should ban people who left when they made the system, and if they give you fluctuating rating based on rounds played it won't solve issues where you lose the first few rounds because you have the target on your team
Like healers started to finally rise when leave meta was found
I just started trying to play shuffle on boomy and wow low mmr is perhaps somehow more painful on DPS that can't w-key to wins
I’d only dps shuffle as dh 🤣
as for making you lose mmr for leaving, probably should do that, still gonna make low elo games ass
i play ele shammy and if its a 3 melee lobby its hell, if its 2 caster 2 melee it is so much nicer
so many DPS who can't/won't peel
so many rdruids so I can't rootbeam them (
)
in some ways, 3x melee lobbies feel easier than the rest because I can just punish them behind a pillar for being stupid
it's gonna be a slow climb I think, I can't 6-0
those are rarer than the opposite
Played with a monk who’s first sentence in lobby was fuck me
puzzle, play shuffle as feral I wanna watch


he hates boomkins too?
they look so funny though
blizz hates boomkins
He thinks pve boomkins are king oinkers
feral and guardian got all sorts of cool forms in legion but moonkin was just left in the gutter

I thought it was PVErs in general?
Cause he’s a hater
theres so many things to hate
We know you hate shuffle
Yeah hpal on big map is super manageeable huh
Gross and unethical
Yeah big map against hpal is fine for sure
u gotta throw next 2 games
If they can’t clean horse hoj they’re stuck pve healing
Just feed 1 game
Then u just win cause rdru
Then he'll get 0 rating
i will not disperse
I think
I didnt face a single rdruid today in shuffle
Shuffle
in like 6 games
Should only be big maps
what are the chances
They all rose above duelist cause rdru already
probably
The catch is
Hoj is 20 fucking yards
If he goes 4-2, 5-1, 6-0 he will gain mmr. 4-2 is better because less likely to have a leaver and be sent back to gulag
yeah pretty much
I always try on big maps to make sure clump is inbetween me and him. I’ll constantly reposition. Letting him be to side of you is what got me fucked by Reece on beta over and over again
I'm legit here on these stairs and the pala does a little hop and hojs me
From behind the edge
It's the most tilting thing lol
why is snupy so good
what
6-0 at 2.6k rating
Wait wait wait, you gain mmr per round but not cr?
Ya that’s kinda shitty
You can gain both.
Face
Cannot stand being dragged in that close to fight
Let me be 45 yards then we win every round
Lmao
I would assume if you have a leaver, you gain zero mmr
Is that not true?
It is true
yeah thats true
Ah I see, I'm looking at this from the shitter perspective
Loss and gain is the same
"High mmr is scary"
No.
i queue shuffle as feral instead now
You going 6-0 is asking for someone to leave
You can keep going 6-0 but expect to be sent to gulag for reque
so is ww monk squishy? not really getting answers on the monk dc
yes
I can't go 6-0 so it's not a problem 🤣
ww has been squishy for all eternity
5-1 is my record
ww = do your go, then run away forever till next go

Really I just won the 1 round the hunter got
and they dont have the best kiting for that do they
i mean relative to other melees now
like mobility isnt their identity
and priest and sham both cds up
they can kite well but like every good melee class has 40 gap closers
yeah thats what i mean, all melees can catch up now
It was legit only tuesday that life wanted to fuck me over
they have hella CDs, but without CDs theyre squish - think of them on par with ret/ass-rog in survivability
hella cds? how many are off the gcd
i like that half of shuffle advice is full send dmg nonstop mongo and the other half is basically just "be good enough to carry your whole team every round"
is it like unholy where you press 5 set up buttons
It's basically correct
Make an alt and just queue for funzies and you won’t have to worry
Only common denominator is you
i guess
no idea whats on GCD or not, but diffuse, karma, fort brew, transcend, and vivify spam is not bad behind pillars
So if you're better than the other people in the match, you should climb eventually
Those are the same thing.
I'm not rly worried just upset that I lost rating to things that arent my own play
If I'm losing games straight up fine
Idc like
man i should go jim
Just out dmg them 
Don't forget fof is a defensive
Full melee parry because lmao
i was trying to decide between affi lock or ww monk (coz both have that tp mechanic)
oh im ranged so i dont think about fof
You should
but i swear ww monk is just asking for frustration
:(
? cant parry moonfire
no you just die in bear form
I feel like if your good ww is good, if your bad it's really bad
Some ww absolutely just demo people
nah, if theyre serenity, they cant reach me during CDs, if they're SEF, their clones are in roots during CDs
👏
best design class
but yeah atonement healing kinda weak
disc healing is very dependent on atonement right now or at least the build my friend runs was
It requires a lot of discipline to heal that way
radiance is piss right now
so monk has a high skill cap? i just dont know what their spot is
Yes
disc priest pretty much just pop DN on cd unless pws is rdy
like they seem to be worse dh to me but thats a moot point
coz arent all melee
worse than dh
WW monk is nothing like DH
DH is livelord, unkillable, press W spec
WW monk is like a rogue that cant invis
LOL
pylon sounds not that old
goodmorning feji
need to get sleep in before
I JUST WON A ROUND AS FERAL
i take sleeping pills
But do u bed scroll phone for hours
i just won another round
Melatonin?
Hrm
How come yours is so high def.
I don’t even want to queue it on main
Ecks dee I just told an evoker to stop rescuing me and bringing the melees on top of me
surely rogue is the most busy one
When he's trying to kite
So everything gonna look kinda dead
Or even on my DH. I was waiting 1hr+ ques 10 days ago. No way I was dealing with leavers
I'm not trying to give him good tone
That’s on you LOL
wait i don't follow
Show your in shuffle 
why was rescue bad there?
While saying that
He shouldnt kite towards me because he's dragging the 2 melees on top of me
was he the focus and he bought you to try and peel?
Is dragging the melee cleave
I dont want to be in melee range
How do you do 60k moon fire
Crit with swarm up
Cause it feels safer
POTP full charge
But it’s the worst thing u can do
No he rescued me i.e. picked me up
or cleave
So if an evoker
And dragged me with him
not the same gif
Is kiting
Then he rescues his healer
Now the melee are on both people
And the healer who was healing evoker from far away
oh it was a devoker
the forced to queue soylo one i made so its scuffed res
I know that but how do you get the high def version
getting attacked
Is suddenly in the paint
thats a leave angle >.>
Like it’s hard to outrange some of the ranged CC melee have. But you usually Atleast make them work for it and they have to move towards you 5-10 yards or use mobility to get it
Then have to waddle back to their kill target
While ur CC
i thougt the thing that tilts healers the most
But yeah rescuing
That’s falls under it
It’s all positioning
Bringing dps on top of me means I’m no longer in the back I’m in the front 🤣
give back
yeah i thought the context was the presvoker was being trained, picked up a dps to try and peel or switch targets lol

is it intended that you can farm legend wins on another spec
I think I'm playing better against hpals now at least
Also did they remove the boralus map?
What other maps are gone
Dalaran sewers
I thought shuffle wasn’t subject to rotation
I havent god the new nokhudon map
Some maps just removed
In a while either
i think it is
But I know it's in
Nokhudon exists
that orange map
And it’s the worst
Mother fuckers pick both sides of the big fence in middle to stand on
@clear pulsar i still qing 
That’s the map where fuji decided he wanted no less than 4 walls between me and him
@grand mesa do i make helm with chaoses ?
oh idk maybe its weighted
I like that map :x

Ehhh
it's so tense
FUCK BLADES EDGE
blades edge schizos
WORST MAP
i feel like shuffle is like 40% easier on my feral than my sp
Melee meta
I like bailing off the side
the ramp is really awkward
Then using charge to get back up
What are u playing on
i thought sp was OP
It's at least more interesting than 4 pillars recolor
arena should only have 4 pillar and 3 pillar maps imo
Give me 4 more big maps with 3-4 pillar recolors
Do we ever use Wild Growth in arena?
fuck hook point , lordalon, black rook, mugumblaladfasda, blades edge
Afaik it is, but I think ranged is harder in pvp personally. If you're not left alone
No fuck blades edge. Honestly worst map
the sewer map is probs my least fav


oh yeah dalaran sucks too
Man idk can I say I like arena if I dislike half the maps
the pillar maps are good 😮
honestly yea

@stray sigil streaming
i dont like tigers peak either really but its ok
usually am
I know
Do we ever use Wild Growth in arena?
My pve buddies who don’t really get pvp. The melee guys say they would love a no pillar arena cause they hate getting kited around pillars
And I tell them that it’s not gonna go the way u think it will
Yes
Situationally but you def use it
Because demo fucks
have they got obvious weaknesses
they need to be a lot more harsh on leavers
i know they have to hard cast
All 3 specs are good imo. Demo is just really really good
like
make them llose -500 cr and -500mmr
and ban them acc wide
for 30 min
that would stop leavers alltogether
i've got an ele shammy and i like casting but
it sucks being kicked on hex / thunderkeeper and you lose your utility casts
plus u generally die to melee quick
@tepid spoke cracks me up. Says he don’t give no fucks he’s gonna leave games and climb to 2.4. Completely forgets that the other healer can leave his games too. Now he’s complaining about leaving
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
everyobody is like "punish leavers" but no one wants to help leavers feel included
just get ass blasted in the middle of the arena lol
to these clueless developers
warlock has enhanced curse, tp, gate, spammable fear, coil
leaving to prove a point is a cop out
who you proving anything to
Imagine just getting nether portal zooed with nowhere to run. And then an ele shaman is slamming into you from 40 yards away
even if u do run, nether portal army just chases you behind the pillar lol
so basically affi lock isn't picked because demo exists
youre literally getting auto attacked for 50k
nah
in that arena only dhs can q
3v3 dhs
And tbh I think destro cranks
So if demo gets gutted u might see a lot of destro too
Then there’s always aff
i hated the havoc mechanic
They got 3 strong specs
Rogue is the same
Everyone’s looking at assa but sub and outlaw probably still really fucking good
i'm too dumb to play rogue
i send my burst into immunities
so often its unreal
on sub
i wanna try outlaw before benching rogue entirely
3-0
and tbh my only feral experience has been in bgs but man it does not feel good to play
Man idk
Nope
feral in bgs?
because there are too many buttons, form swaps, maintaining dots, the builds are confusing

i guess since we are pad dmg bot now, maybe
prob not awful if ur in a teamfight map
i mean you could play an actual pve build for that tbh
because i am struggling in shuffle
thing that has helped me is
u hit healers
u tell ur dps
@stray sigil u tell me to stream and u are not even watching ??
we go X and we touch healer when we can
sketchy scoundrel
i am u ape
LOOK AT VIEWERS
NOPW
I actually really dislike it when feral sits on me
@grand mesa last shuffle as feral i took ur advice
wait so you stay on healer
and tell the dps to go someone else
no
Repeated
nononon
I'm going back to gladiusex
i said go war but as soon as evoker sent communion, i kill him in a stun insta
Omnibar breaks way more for me
Yeah that’s what a feral did to me and I was so uncomfortable
They started on spriest
they flop insta
ah i probs swap targets often, from my understanding rdruids are weak to swaps and same w evokers
I burned NS to save
on sv hunter i try to set up the cc chain on them
Then feral just sat on me
u see bark
For 10-20s
but i am getting railed if its a melee lobby
feral seems kinda crazy in shuffle
Yup
the cleave build
is alot of rotting
as possible
as sv hunter my problem is once i dont have shell i am very vulnerable
Tbh rdrus are probably allocating and mapped their CDs under the assumption they never get touched
@grand mesa did u see this feed i went mh oh
same w ele shammy
but i played more ele shammy
I think late game swaps inbetween NSs and when tranq was used
Should honestly happen more on rdru
on ym feral i literally just tab to whoever is closest pretty much
It’s probably good tbh
true
thats one of my biggest issues is i'm using the mes plater profile and it just shows the debuffs i put on them at the top
to see hots and their buffs i gotta look at their frame
The big issue is that the mastery 1h is mace and not dagger
If it was dagger I woulda sent it 100%
I like the dagger look
But maces are all fugly
can just mog dagger right
wait is it schizo?
Not from mace
imagine mogging anything other than your artifact
Or there's a new one world drop huh

I have that one too idk where u got that from
Looks aight
But not good
TorghyP
I DIDNT PLAY LEGION OK I DONT RUCKING HAVE ANY COOOL MT SKINS
Ig there are recolors of that so its ok if you got them
That is the most righteous hammer
i didnt play my druid then either
Mage tower staff isnt so lit
these are sick af
Yeah I wanna farm them
big dangur
At some point
XD
I cannot afford
not a big diff
Idk this polearm goes kinda hard
That’s a good one
You what????
Also yo ucan only mog resto artifact from 1handers
But the boomie staves
Are legit so lit
This is the best resto artifact look
And I think its pretty easy to get
Its the pvp ones
Yeah I have everything else
These basic branch looking ones
@stray sigil does notsureif become feral

And I stream feral shuffle
I was dh main only did the easy ones
i wish you could cat chameleon but like only pick ones you want
Yeah like pick favorites in the barber shop
It'd be dope
ye cuz i dont want allllllllll of them
Maybe I wait for 10.0.5
but i want like 8 of them only
When LI no longer exists
Then my play has no mistakes
I’m really curious about the fire pve ring on dh
Gonna pay attention tn
This is the only good mace+oh look in the game tho 100%
this is my list
Just the amount before lycara kicks in
Yeah In another form
5%
This is with BM too
Why you guys so mastery heavy whatafak
You cant play this game
With 2% haste

I think I’m at 15% mastery rn
NEED MASTERY MORE THAN EV
well idk
Yall crazy
my haste will go up
For not getting haste
when iam with other ring
Fr fr ong
I have an inhuman amount of crit unforch
Tier chest, crafted boots, and war mode shoulder
ah
I’m not too worried about it cause just going to tier
Recovers a decent amount of haste
I’m just curious how max mastery feels
Hello guys I was wondering if double guardian is viable
I’m 418
I'm built diff
not even 421

I am 410
unironically used this in bfa on my spriest lol
Prob not
Fuji
Maybe in SL
I am memeing no one took bait
Am bored man
sketchy
David
R u sussy
only for f2f
I can respect that
I think I got most of them already
theyre a bit kenker to fiarm no ?
Simply because I hadn’t gotten a new mog in a while and I spent a lot of time killing ZM rares
what are some issues with making precog on casters baseline
i mean every dps has a kick
First half of season 3
SL
tune it down and making it baseline
any one know why rampant growth doesnt work with life blooms applied from Full Bloom
There was a trinket called echoing resolve that worked kinda similarly
can u solo them with current gear or no
gona go to zereth maurice in a sec frfr
i mena you gotta juke a kick and just make it increase haste or cc immune for like 2s instead of w.e stats it has currently
basically what is the answer to being kicked? or the equivalent to melee
disarm is closest i can think of
which only melee have that i can think of
war, monk, rogue
I can solo them with shadowlands gear wdymmmmm
Yup
HUUUUGE dam
Execute mfers
AHAHAHA SHOW
STREAM
take a screenshot
MATTY
Would you guys ever use a pve tier piece on resto for the 2 set?
like
how the fuck
dont i get
any peels
from the rogue
0
0 fuckin peels
both games same shit
i miss feral
@clear pulsar where my rare
LEAVE
@tepid spoke
Leave on Fuji
I said I would never leave
But if it was fuji
I’d leave his possible 6-0
Who’s winning
i dont even know
twice
how u die with a lock on ur team
and i couldnt do anything
Did fuji damage feel real
hes so criunge
no
yeah but what if he doesnt
idk i shouldnt have to come back and peel
to a full kidney cheese
if we have lock
with 0 peels
ey i saw
then i die 2nd
Did he deathmark u?
Oh
he was really bad about it too
was pre using dance
like 2-3s before
but matt went 1-5
and gained cr
hahahahahah
legendary
ye
because those guys deserved leave
@stray sigil bt buffs apex bites or no
I think if u prebear hots bark idk if secret technique kills
it doesnt
Post nerf
thing is
ye but like cant do anything about ele



