pvp

[stray sigil]

and u stun 2

dont have to use 16 gcds

to stun both

and u can re stun both

[sinful storm]

I heard starsurge is pretty worthless right and you just spam starfall, also lose incap roar

[stray sigil]

afetr if they trinket

its kinda giga

[safe heart]

yeah good peels

are you spending on pw then

since u took whatever it is

tear open

[stray sigil]

no i just took it

cuz the bite thing

is kinda awful

and u save 1 point

[stone breach]

NEW MACRO CONDITIONAL: KNOWN
Use [known:] to check for a talent’s learned status. Works with names and spell IDs. Works with #showtooltip. Use [noknown:] to reverse the logic.
Example:
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Execution Sentence] Execution Sentence; [known:384052] Wake of Ashes; Templar's Verdict
#showtooltip [known:265187] Summon Demonic Tyrant; [known:Guillotine] Guillotine

[stray sigil]

and ig u still ahve pw in the cases u play vs super mongo tank shit

where ur in huddles

i took frantic

becaure my thinking is

having cats eye

doesnt do anythig durin a go

but on the off chance that shit procs

it does something

[grand mesa]

Oh they did add a new conditional?????

[stray sigil]

atleast

[grand mesa]

Bri

Bro

Gharnef ur a G

[safe heart]

gunna play circle lego with this i think

[stone breach]

im so excited

[grand mesa]

@stone breach does it work?

[stone breach]

love macros

[stray sigil]

im playing draught still

[stone breach]

dunno

[stray sigil]

but i guess u could

[stone breach]

copied off blue post

comes out tues

[safe heart]

feels like theres no reason not to cleave more now i guess idk

[stray sigil]

i think ull most likely double bleed in df ye

[safe heart]

esp if i have pw

[stray sigil]

idk if u would press pw on 2 or less

[livid wasp]

is feral good now

[stray sigil]

seems not ideal

no buff feral

[safe heart]

pw on 2 seems good?

[livid wasp]

what do I see, fuji talking pw might be good?

[safe heart]

unlikely youll get 3 targets outside of a huddle

[livid wasp]

s-word was right

[safe heart]

no

pw pad

but

in some situations can be ok

[stray sigil]

idk it does liek 4k dmg at 5cp

[livid wasp]

shuffle with melee cleave tho

[stray sigil]

prob not worth over a bite at 2 or less

[stray sigil]

also puts a 12s rip only enji

if u play with circle

[safe heart]

yeah true

[stray sigil]

its what like 8s

[safe heart]

maybe circle + veinripper

idk is circle + veinripper like

canceling out

[tardy hare]

solo shuffle people are so insanely stupid

lmao

this is great

[stray sigil]

veinripper + circle doesnt cancel out but makes it interesting

u get like roughly 4 more ticks on rip

and ur rip will last around 1.4s less

or something

[grand mesa]

@stone breach I can finally have my bash hotw macro again

[stray sigil]

but ppl in pve said veinripper is trash

[safe heart]

wtf do they know

[stray sigil]

need to see at 70 how it feels

[safe heart]

pve'rs press wall when target dummy spins too fast

[stray sigil]

according to puzzle pvpers cant count to 5

[safe heart]

bt affects FF now right

[stray sigil]

no

u can proc it with ff

but they fixed that

unfort

[grand mesa]

Wrong

I said 4

[safe heart]

beautiful

[grand mesa]

Why is your raid marker so big

[safe heart]

im zoomed in

[grand mesa]

Your condom is massive

[safe heart]

i guess

[grand mesa]

Is no one

[grand mesa]

Rejoicing the pvp changes

Afflock nerfs

They’re introducing damp earlier in 3s

From 5 min to 3 min

[stone breach]

👀

[stray sigil]

damp earlier = buff to aff

[grand mesa]

Damp means I don’t barkskin your go on opener but might have to 3 minutes in

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

Honestly these changes all look p good. Nerfed other healers throughput but buffed rdru

We love it

👍

[stray sigil]

better cat wins enji

[grand mesa]

Ur pumping

[safe heart]

i won so hard he left the game

[stray sigil]

r u using the double rake

tech

[safe heart]

yeah i switched to ur build to try

double rake is sick

i did get a few juiced PW on 3 targets tho

[haughty compass]

Go enji go

[stray sigil]

ithink at 3 its fine

[safe heart]

idont hate pw really, its fun to press in pve

but

[haughty compass]

Scratch them hard

[safe heart]

feels dumb to pad

[haughty compass]

For the bees

[safe heart]

BEES

[grand mesa]

It’s not pad it’s rot

[stray sigil]

[safe heart]

but is it meaningful rot

like

thats my concern

cuz i really like the rot my sp does

[stray sigil]

i suppose it saves u gcds from multi dotting

but it doesnt last long enough

[safe heart]

yeah

[stray sigil]

to make a difference longterm

[safe heart]

thats the concern

[stray sigil]

so u have to use pw a lot

[safe heart]

12s of rip is whatever

[stray sigil]

and then dmg kinda sucks

[safe heart]

if you can juice 3 targets go for it but

[stray sigil]

ye its only good if u get 3+

[safe heart]

well actually fuji

[stray sigil]

so that pw will do more dmg than a bite

[safe heart]

you think double rake is safe to play in jungle tho

i guess its free cover

if its melee

otherwise doesnt matter

[stray sigil]

i dont think it breaks cc if thats what ur thinking of

[safe heart]

wait

im trolling

[stray sigil]

like it wont target the trapd target

[safe heart]

oh yeah does it

[stray sigil]

i might be wrong

@gloomy token

is that correct or na

[safe heart]

if it breaks trap, could be terrible lol

[gloomy token]

i have no clue and you'd have to test

pretty sure it does break so you can't just ape

[stray sigil]

thought double rake was

"smart"

[gloomy token]

idk probably

[stray sigil]

i assumed itd be coded like convoke was

and convoke wouldnt break traps

[gloomy token]

iirc convoke is a mess

[stray sigil]

unless something was in the air

[gloomy token]

does trap clear bleeds

[safe heart]

man its so hard not to press stampede

yea

it does

[gloomy token]

neat

[stray sigil]

ay u can rake stun

and itll remove the rake

but ull have the stun

[grand mesa]

Hahahahahaha

[stray sigil]

na it wouldnt after they fixed it

unless like u trapped while the wrath was in the air

or shit like that

could b sketch

so all u did was wait till trap landed to voke

[grand mesa]

convoke did alot of sketchy shit

[stray sigil]

ye but wasnt as bad for feral compared to boomy

for breaking shit

[haughty compass]

As a moonkin convoke enjoyer i swear Kevin taunted starsurge a

I killled so many of those

[grand mesa]

oh damp is starting at 10%

for everything now

[stray sigil]

more aff buffs

[grand mesa]

i mean

they had so much of their dam nerfed idk

[stone breach]

40% more HP plus 10% damp 👀

[stray sigil]

Summon White Tiger no longer stops dealing damage when its crowd-controlled.

?

tf ?

why ?

[haughty compass]

Idk I think some are sleeping on demo

Felguard pumps

[stray sigil]

old man is on the cope again

[haughty compass]

How’s that cope?

[stone breach]

I thought you liked dragons

not demons

[haughty compass]

I do lol

[stone breach]

[haughty compass]

Was just trying to start dialogue

[grand mesa]

meh

i mean like, i kinda like the pace of a shuffle round

tbh

wouldn't mind if 3s was a bit shorter

2s i think starts @ 20% or did, and now they're saying all modes start @ 10%

[stone breach]

I am hugely pro-damp changes

fuck my shit up, change lots of things

[grand mesa]

that's what i never understood tbh

like people always say, if u nerf burst then it goes forever damp. if u have 1 shot it's not fun, and there's no inbetween

[tardy hare]

dude these people in solo shuffle are so fucking bad

[grand mesa]

but couldn't u just fuck with damp

[tardy hare]

[grand mesa]

to not have 1 shots, but also keep games short

like 78% damp after 3ish minutes in shuffle idk how healers can go much longer anyway

[safe heart]

why do none of my alt modifiers fucking work anymore

[grand mesa]

haha

i think i know why

sec

[safe heart]

its only alt

[grand mesa]

yeah

[safe heart]

not ctrl or shift

[stone breach]

is alt set to selfcast

[safe heart]

fuck this game

[grand mesa]

it's defaulted

[haughty compass]

So annoying

[grand mesa]

they turned it on for everyone

when prepatch started

[safe heart]

DUDE

the other night i was playing 2s with a rog on my sp

my fucking void swap WOULD NOT GO OFF

because of this

and i had no idea

so i rebound it

[stray sigil]

ya just remove the self cast key thing

auto selfcast is fine i think

juts gotta put none

[safe heart]

i use alt ctrl shift scroll for my teammates

and alt was like mend, life swap etc

[stray sigil]

ye happened to me for a bit

until i realised i couldnt heal p1 with alt 7

kekw

@grand mesa are these aff nerfs even enough lmfao

[grand mesa]

idk

the rot maybe

the ID + drain life shit with soul rot cleave

still gonna fuck

[stray sigil]

instead of doing 4x the dmg of everyone else

they do 2x?

woowowowowowwo

[grand mesa]

well tbh

in DF

they feel like s3/s4 aff

not prepatch

so these nerfs in DF might be big

[stray sigil]

they were still doubling

in s3/4

[grand mesa]

prepatch they're insane

[stray sigil]

pretty easily

[grand mesa]

yeah sure

but prepatch is like unhealable

atleast for maybe

maybe im just really fucking bad idk

[stray sigil]

atleast they nerfed pact again

[safe heart]

nah lock completely broken imo

i think they should nerf the ua dispel

[grand mesa]

they did nerf UA by 15%

[safe heart]

the dispel?

[haughty compass]

How is hunter on beta? Just out of curiosity

Wondering what feral wants to run

[stray sigil]

feral sp looks promising

unless sp in df is dogshit

[haughty compass]

That’s a big d comp

[grand mesa]

i think survival is good idk

[safe heart]

i played some feral sp hpal in s4, didnt feel bad really

ive queued 4 shuffles and someone has left all of them including me

the one i just played was a tank queue and the sp just got run down the whole time with no peels and i just felt his pain

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

thats why im not bothering bro

[haughty compass]

Few more days and I’ll be here complaining with you enji

Sorry, but evoker discord is traj

[safe heart]

[stray sigil]

bunch of scalies uh

[safe heart]

lmao

[grand mesa]

lmao

[safe heart]

i mean my dmg was pretty decent but like

[haughty compass]

Climbing

[safe heart]

i couldnt make shit happen

[grand mesa]

I love how they keep adding to penalty and people keep leaving lmao

[safe heart]

cuz dude

solo shuffle is tilt fest

[edgy shale]

puzzle said there is no damp im shuff at frame 1 but there is

[tardy hare]

2 games in a row 0 rating

agrewguhbwel;jgnweojr;gnew

[lime light]

iam doing 1vs9 on my dk

[thorny venture]

hmm, so is this change mean that 1 minute in is 35% dampening or is that 2 minutes in?

[grand mesa]

Whenever I looked at vod dampening debuff didn’t show until around 1 min. I haven’t checked in a while tho

[edgy shale]

lol im trolling they just added it in

[grand mesa]

You are so weird

LOL

[edgy shale]

for prepatch

theres damp now

[grand mesa]

Oh from the first second?

[edgy shale]

yea

[grand mesa]

Oh they blue post explained damp changes brb

[edgy shale]

sup ep

[lime light]

my cat

is tyo uign

no t md

e

[grand mesa]

Alongside the above player health change, we saw that talent trees have a lot of disparity of power that some abilities have in PvE vs PvP, such as Overgrowth for Restoration druids.

Ok

Way to call out overgrowth

[thorny venture]

nah, starts at 10% 1 minute in and was 1% every so often

the other changes start Tuesday

healing is gonna suck with 35% dampening by 2 minutes in

55% 3 minutes in

[grand mesa]

I like these changes

2s starting at 30% as opposed to 20% is interesting. 50% damp by 5 min

Yeah I like this a lot

I think this is the way to do it IMO

You can have non one shot gameplay without games going forever long if u juice the damp

[edgy shale]

yea it seems good

[grand mesa]

And I got really tired of nothing but outlaw healer vs. dh rdru 10-15 min games lmao

Just put me out of my misery

[edgy shale]

that shit is unfun yea

[tender flume]

Do you know a good talent build for guardian solo shuffle/rbg?

[grand mesa]

But how is OVERGROWTH an example of a button that’s too strong in pvp?

[thorny venture]

I dunno, people seemed cranky if fights are over before 5 minutes

"You mean I only get 1 maybe 2 shots to use my cds?"

[grand mesa]

Unless that was their example of must pick for pvp but no one uses it in pve, so it’s a tuning conundrum

[thorny venture]

I think it's an issue of overgrowth into flourish

[safe heart]

just put thrash on ur bar

[edgy shale]

overgrowth is very op

[lime light]

iam gonna leave

this solo shuffle

[edgy shale]

no rp

[lime light]

at the last second

so this

tanks not gonna

[edgy shale]

yes ep

[lime light]

get a fucking thing

[edgy shale]

good ep

[safe heart]

do it

they deserve it

losing the cr is worth it

[lime light]

what cr

its a fucking pre patch

[tender flume]

and the cloak legy?

[grand mesa]

U want sleeper

Cloak is UFR

Think sleeper is boots normally

[edgy shale]

Ep doesnt need cr on eu cuz hes going to roll NA for df

legendary

[tender flume]

i guess for solo shuffle i should go full on versa gems? and not have the movementspeed gems?

[safe heart]

sprog man

im not kidding

just click sleeper

put thrash on ur bar

[tender flume]

it's not that easy!

[safe heart]

and proceed to go be a menance

yes it is

[haughty compass]

Moonfire talents too don’t forget

[safe heart]

its that ez

[tender flume]

the problem are the guys with 80k hp going in my team at my 1900 rating -.-

[safe heart]

oh word

[tender flume]

it's a shame, i get 13 points for a win but 70 for a loss

blizzards mm system is garbage.

[safe heart]

i thought the problem was bears this whole time

[haughty compass]

Prepatch dawg

[tender flume]

almost every 2nd solo shuffle is like... -> go on the low hp guy, whatever he is doing here.

he just got a big targetmarker on his back...

[grand mesa]

Overgrowth swiftmend is because of a bugged conduit

[thorny venture]

pretty much it's any healer with good dps that doesn't require casting that's gonna rock?

[edgy shale]

overgrowth is op

[grand mesa]

That won’t exist in DF

[tender flume]

sarcasm?

[safe heart]

i guess its important to know how you wanna hold w at so you dont have to let go of the key

[tender flume]

get almost the same rating/gear on the teams?

you'Re just saying i don't belong at 1900 haha :D

[edgy shale]

why is reinvigorate a mini flourish?

[tender flume]

yeah, i understand

but they die quicker than i can heal...

[fair mirage]

u need to prep/cc better

[tender flume]

well i deal dmg as hell as well :D

[thorny venture]

My personal goal is always to try and help that one dps that'd otherwise go 0-6 get 1 win cause that means I get 4

[fair mirage]

passive healing in shuffle = passive inting

u have to aggressivley save teammates

from throwing

[tender flume]

i'm a tank KEKW

haha

[fair mirage]

idk how u lose as bear

[tender flume]

someone is mad because of tanks i guess :D

[thorny venture]

toxic

[safe heart]

^

[fair mirage]

except into maybe better/bigger bear

like bear is probs best shuffle spec

[thorny venture]

I've faced some incredibly terrifying BDKs in shuffle

[fair mirage]

any cc/heals and u insta win any other tanks

[thorny venture]

some casters have 0 idea how to handle abom limb

so where's the note that overgrowth is going away?

[grand mesa]

They used it as an example

Not used in pve very good in pvp

[tender flume]

the pve item??

really? is that one so strong in pvp?

[safe heart]

i mean ur just pve'ing anyway

[thorny venture]

oh

[safe heart]

so why not

[grand mesa]

I think it’s good

Really good

Even as healer I’m not complaining

[edgy shale]

the only thing i dont like is it mught help roghe mage in 2s

otberwise i ljkr

[tardy hare]

we be climbing

#1

[grand mesa]

….

[tardy hare]

i am 290 ilvl

i want gear

!!

[grand mesa]

Et tu machtig???

Yeah they did

[grand mesa]

Good

[tardy hare]

i aint waiting years just to get some honor and dconquest

[grand mesa]

Fuck aff

[tender flume]

:S

[tardy hare]

ok lost rating

big succ

[grand mesa]

If ur gonna want to gear and don’t want to heal then this is the week to slam bear games machtig

They go to dps slot next week

[tardy hare]

yes

thats why i am playing

smh

or well im playing cause i got bored

but i want fast gear

so im pumping guardian

already up 7 ilvls

we going

[edgy shale]

to the moon

[grand mesa]

I’ve obsessively watched old vods and been filtering out units on plater from demo one by one

Think I got most of them now. UHDK have a ton lately too

[tardy hare]

enough SS for today

[tender flume]

guys i am sorry... i was wrong

What is worse than 80k hp people?

[grand mesa]

Ah yeah I guess that’s true for dps

[tardy hare]

me on ur team after u whisper me

[tender flume]

this is worse....

[tardy hare]

[tender flume]

liek wtf

[edgy shale]

snupy is idiot

[lime light]

i mean u playing a fucking guardian ape druid

what does it matter, how much hp your teamamtes have

[safe heart]

just tell that guy to stay in the waiting room while u go 1v3 the other team

[tender flume]

WTF i even goot conq for it...

[thorny venture]

DH have to be the most common useless dps I've ran into

[tardy hare]

l2p issue tbh

[safe heart]

how did u only win 3 if there wasnt even another bear in the game

[thorny venture]

it's a known bug Sprog

[edgy shale]

do what ep tells u to do

or we have problem

[tender flume]

i don't know why you troll that much

[edgy shale]

[tender flume]

but it's annoying.

[grand mesa]

P much

[tender flume]

? lol i understand why i got +0

:D

but i am not a moron tho :D

hahahahahha

[fair mirage]

ya i mean it's meant to be six separate rounds you just have to commit to blocks of 6

it'd make it less confusing for people definitely

[grand mesa]

That’s what people don’t get

Lobby average doesn’t matter

[fair mirage]

mmr shuffles around each match and people can not have theirs easily known because they could be on a massive winning or losing streak and have jacked mmr

• preseason mmr

[grand mesa]

Ur gonna see a lot of scoreboards

On Reddit

100%

[fair mirage]

wait until the tinfoil conspiracies about losers queue because no shop mounts starts popping up

[edgy shale]

it should be a lot better with df matchmaking not dog shit preparch match making tho

[fair mirage]

ya fixed gearing, min ilev req, no prepatch mmr, etc

will have more than a few hiccups but it'll be chill soon

fewer leavers too hopefully yep

[grand mesa]

I doubt they’ll make the min ilvl req that aggressive

Like an 80k HP guy now would probably qualify

But the 50k HP wouldn’t

[thorny venture]

or... scaling. 😄

[grand mesa]

I think they’re gonna keep buffing leaver penalty incrementally and players won’t care lmao

[safe heart]

the rating in solo shuffle does not matter to me in the slightest so ill happily leave if its a shitty q

[edgy shale]

shuff should be most inflated and eziest to climb to upgrade gear

[grand mesa]

I don’t see anything about CC immunity in rage of the sleeper tooltip anymore

[stone breach]

Speaking personally, if I'm going to leave, the punishment does not matter at all.

[stone breach]

I'll just log out if the punishment is too big

[grand mesa]

Account wide deserter

Boom

[safe heart]

bring it on

[stone breach]

Ya, Id just log out

Go play a critically acclaimed game

[grand mesa]

Ff14?

[safe heart]

pathfinder kingmaker

[edgy shale]

its still like -200 cr

which mayibe u dont care bout but loggijg out wont change it lol

[stone breach]

Who cares 200 cr, rating comes back fast

[edgy shale]

[tardy hare]

Just give template cjekfi jgrjvirnfnruc

[grand mesa]

I’m just happy we have the game mode 🤷‍♂️

If for nothing else it’s easy 3 vault and something to do

[tardy hare]

Same

[stray sigil]

[tardy hare]

I like it

[edgy shale]

shut up fuji

[tardy hare]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[stray sigil]

est my carrot pod

[thorny venture]

are you sure that's not the legendary power

I mean talent*

[edgy shale]

ur wrong fuji

[thorny venture]

yeah, that's the talent

they finally made it worth a damn

[grand mesa]

Yeah im talking about the talent

Who the fuck cares about the lego tuning with 2 weeks left

????

[edgy shale]

i do

not really

theres no way they would take out xx immune thi

wojld they?

cc

[grand mesa]

I don’t see it in tooltip

Is why I linked it

[edgy shale]

well that shit buggy sometimes idk

[grand mesa]

Per @lapis blade I think it was never working on beta to begin with. So he wasn’t sure if the game was lying or the tooltip

In what was intended

[edgy shale]

then bear becomes shit and vdh is just op

for pvper

[grand mesa]

Yeah besr goes to the bin

[safe heart]

yeah the cc immune needs to not be a thing

[grand mesa]

And vdh becomes flag runner again

[safe heart]

im excited to see all the bear rerollers still happily queueing tank shuffle after that

[grand mesa]

I mean if u were an rbg tank enthusiast

You had it good as a bear

Think I saw the spec representation for bear above a certain rating was like 97% or something

[safe heart]

yeah man

and it was the easiest job ever

you hard countered entire teams

[lapis blade]

yep sleeper talent said immune but no immune

[thorny venture]

bleh, i hate dps that run away from healer and then cry when they go 1-5

[grand mesa]

I am very PMA

I would never be toxic in chat

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

True story I’ve never flamed anyone in game

[edgy shale]

the ppl in shuff chat are hilarious. ive had ppl flame me for dying when i was literally the one who killed the dude that round n ppl get mixed up who tf they even talking to

[grand mesa]

At most a passive aggressive question

[edgy shale]

its so funny

passive aghro is flamng

[grand mesa]

So if I said

“Sometimes it’s ok to press a button”

Is that flaming

[stray sigil]

i would flame u pod

no matter what

[edgy shale]

yes lol

of course rhats flaming

[grand mesa]

Maybe Twitter has it right

People wouldn’t survive original cod lobbies

[edgy shale]

i wouldnt say its extreme or anything but criticising sum1 else is flaming id say

[safe heart]

i flame the tanks

[grand mesa]

So for me

Flaming is gamer words

[edgy shale]

[grand mesa]

That’s aggressive aggressive

[edgy shale]

ppl dont wanna be told how to play no matta how bad they are

its unfort

[junior plover]

Yummy

[safe heart]

is it flaming if u run at a wall during tanks queues to protest

[grand mesa]

That’s griefing

[lime light]

guardian players

[grand mesa]

Not flaming

[lime light]

no, u play normal 5 runs

and u leave in 6th

[edgy shale]

EP and kiosk should do a poland meetup

[safe heart]

if its not a bear, i actually try still

[grand mesa]

But if it’s a tank game it’s civil disobedience

[junior plover]

Criticizing someone isn't flaming but being passive aggressive obviously is

[grand mesa]

And I approve @safe heart

[safe heart]

then i do nothing for the bear

[junior plover]

Even tho it's the lowest bar

U know it'll make them mad so why are u surprised when they are

[junior plover]

I'm scared

[edgy shale]

POLAND BOYS MUST ASSEMBLE

[junior plover]

I moved to Kraków to be further away from ep

[edgy shale]

[junior plover]

Every day he's approaching me at a speed of 20m/h

I need to be on the move

[edgy shale]

[grand mesa]

Hrm

[lime light]

feels like

feral freanzy

not doing much

[safe heart]

mine hits like 35k

[edgy shale]

feral isnt doing as much burst gamsdur as other spec atm

well some ateast

[junior plover]

Buff feral

[safe heart]

feral need buff

[junior plover]

I wish my job was like being a pvp balancer at blizz

[lime light]

feral s++ tier

[grand mesa]

Feral is solid A tier in DF don’t need buffs

[junior plover]

Imagine not buffing feral

And keeping your job

[edgy shale]

in df but i mean prepatch

i hate when dh is op

[grand mesa]

I love it

[junior plover]

Feral should be S tier so I can watch rogue mains break their fingers trying to pilot one again

[edgy shale]

i hate it when ppl dodge maim

[lime light]

ok dude

why no one is talking about it being

6 yards again

?

[viscid remnant]

[edgy shale]

[viscid remnant]

not 3+2 ?

[grand mesa]

It’s not 6 for melee I thought

[junior plover]

All of your abilities

Melee too?

[grand mesa]

It was 3 for bear and feral

[junior plover]

Hmm

[grand mesa]

Max rank

[tardy hare]

Ye

[edgy shale]

we get 3 yrds

[fair mirage]

[lime light]

ye its 3 + 2

[junior plover]

Hmm

[lime light]

but it was 3

[grand mesa]

Is your tooltip actually saying a range of 5

On abilities

It should be 3

8+3 = 11 on most I would think

[lime light]

no this shit is fucked

[junior plover]

I didn't even read the tree

[lime light]

says like 6 yards on shred ecc

[junior plover]

Whats the cyclone talent

[lime light]

and melee used to be "5 yards"

[junior plover]

Saw fuji tree in pins

[edgy shale]

its cyclone lol

[lime light]

it is bad ye

[junior plover]

Wat

We lost cyclone?

[edgy shale]

yes

[junior plover]

God

[edgy shale]

its fucked

druid and honestly specifically feral got fucked

[grand mesa]

It’s in the class tree kiosk

It’s just really inconvenient for feral

To get it

[lime light]

u need to pick up 3 rly bad talents

to get cyclone

[edgy shale]

3 pointer thats a complete waste

[grand mesa]

Feral I think gets fucked the most

[gloomy token]

To be fair only extreme masochists play feral

[edgy shale]

facts

[viscid remnant]

full focus mane

[grand mesa]

Bro. Big lunar inspiration damage

[viscid remnant]

money onmy mind

[grand mesa]

Cmon

[gloomy token]

So they're pretty used to getting fucked

[edgy shale]

it doesmt work with li tho lol

[grand mesa]

Are u srs

[edgy shale]

i wish it did

srs

[grand mesa]

It doesn’t actually even work with LI?

[edgy shale]

nope

[grand mesa]

LOL

[gloomy token]

Yeah that talent only works for boomy/ resto spells

[edgy shale]

[gloomy token]

Similarly the phsy damage nodes under skull bash only work in cat and bear form

[grand mesa]

Clsss tree and DF has fucked up so many things with regards to the different forms and the rules with them I swear

[gloomy token]

But that at least means catweaving benefits from it

[lime light]

idk

iam tired of moonfire

anyone else?

[gloomy token]

Nobody wants to owlweave in pvp

[grand mesa]

Uh btw I tried it early on in beta

But sunfire TF macro

Is actually not a thing right

It fucked up my shit

[gloomy token]

That macro has been bait since sl beta

And can and will fuck your bars

[grand mesa]

Yeah it was doing weird form shit and bar Shit so I just dropped it

[gloomy token]

S2G I've seen hundreds of people in early sl asking about that macro

[grand mesa]

But the half of the time it worked it felt so good

[gloomy token]

It's shit and causes bugs don't use it unless you like pain

[tepid spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-top-g-cigar-smoking-andrew-tate-cigar-gif-26262606

[grand mesa]

Hi matty

[tepid spoke]

Hi puzzle

[viscid remnant]

what is this

bald picture

traj

[tepid spoke]

I am anything but bald

Wish i had less hair honestly

[grand mesa]

I saw that

[tepid spoke]

Rofl

[viscid remnant]

nah if he doesnt fuck him up its fake topg

[edgy shale]

wait, when is that

i wanna watch that

i gotta remember that shiat

when was this?

also

i see maldiva crying on twitter

shits good

also, yo?

RG TIME?

[grand mesa]

Regrowth actually decent tbh

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/live-garfield-reaction-gif-25354213

[lime light]

to play beta do i need to download anyting or its same game as pre patch

[grand mesa]

Download beta

[edgy shale]

yeaa u gotta downoad shit

[lime light]

fuck no

[grand mesa]

Beta more fun than this donkey prepatch Shit

[edgy shale]

does that mean that protector will heal for more now too since that effect was also being reduced?

[grand mesa]

Protector is an added cap that’s 1.2x your spellpower idk if regrowth buff will do anything to it

[edgy shale]

@stray sigil RG heals ur entire hp now

[safe heart]

FUCK EM

[grand mesa]

LOL ENJI

[edgy shale]

[safe heart]

they thought they were gunna dunk me after 5 rounds

then i pulled out the ace in my sleeve

[grand mesa]

U know

That might have to be the fox

Fix

Ruining peoples time spent and them all getting 0 rating is a strong incentive to leave

[stray sigil]

cap

[grand mesa]

The biggest of middle fingers

[edgy shale]

fuji u rdumb

[stray sigil]

cap

[edgy shale]

u want them to give out rating per round?

[grand mesa]

I personally don’t

But

Then I see enji

Who’s willing to lose rating to give middle round 6 middle finger

[stone breach]

[safe heart]

puzzle

i want you to know

i actually waited uintil like the last 3 or 4 globals before the tank was gunna kill me too

so for a split second

[edgy shale]

[safe heart]

he probably thought he killed me

[grand mesa]

Enji is why I think they might have to do it by round

[edgy shale]

BASED

[stone breach]

Fuck tank players

[grand mesa]

Cause I know he’s not the only one

If someone was toxic and flaming the ruck out of you and 5-0

[safe heart]

solo shuffle is skirms to me bro, i am a loose cannon

[grand mesa]

Would you leave

[junior plover]

Increase the power of the cat specialization

[grand mesa]

To ruin his shit

[safe heart]

ofc

[junior plover]

[edgy shale]

in prepatch? yes

[stone breach]

💯

[grand mesa]

This is why leaver penalty won’t work

LOL

[edgy shale]

in DF, depends. if im like.. 1 game off my goal, then no ill suck it up

[grand mesa]

Cause I would too HAHAHAHA

[stone breach]

They wouldn't be 5-0 if they're doing that though

I'd instalose every time they're my ally

[safe heart]

its hilarious to me the level of sabotage that goes into shuffle lol

[junior plover]

Can't wait for high mmr shuffle u just get matched with the same guys over and over

[stone breach]

I've done it before. Someone talks shit so I sandbag when they're on my team

[junior plover]

Grief the guy that made you mad last game

[stone breach]

Gonna be so much win trading and gatekeeping at the top end lmao

[junior plover]

Might actually work better on reducing toxicity than any sort of moderation

[tepid spoke]

Thats why you never type shit

[grand mesa]

Maybe shuffle won’t work as a mode.

[edgy shale]

[grand mesa]

I never type shit

[safe heart]

yeah dont leave round 1

you gotta stick it out for round

6

[stone breach]

Only type target class names

[safe heart]

atleast

[junior plover]

Why leave

Just deal 0 dmg

[safe heart]

because its more important to me for them to have wasted their time than for me to get the cr

[edgy shale]

they should do what they do in other games and remove names. just call them by their spec name

so u can't know who ur against

[junior plover]

But how is leaving different to playing 3v2

[grand mesa]

This is why increasing leave penalties won’t work

[junior plover]

Does the lobby get canceled

If you leave

[edgy shale]

yes lol

[grand mesa]

You have to make it so that griefing is pointless cause they still gain

[safe heart]

puzzle if its a healer queue, i play like normal, toxic or not

[junior plover]

WHAT

Lmao

[safe heart]

if its a tank queue, and im not winning, fuck em

yeah if u leave its a wash completely

[grand mesa]

How many tank queues are u getting?

[junior plover]

Why the fuck would they just not give rating based on the games already played in the lobby

[safe heart]

like every other q

[grand mesa]

Healers don’t want to heal prepatch dh and afflock tbh

[edgy shale]

cuz its a bit unfair. Maybe you are 0-3 cuz u got matched with the dog shit players only, and ur about to get free wins when sum1 leaves

[safe heart]

thats fine im just trying to get some conquest and honor for my sp

[grand mesa]

I don’t think a lot of healers will want to heal with the increased damp either. Even tho I think it’s great

[junior plover]

Ah actually that'd lead to win trading

Makes sense

[edgy shale]

that too

[grand mesa]

It’s inflationary

[junior plover]

You're 3-0 your friend dodges queue

[safe heart]

yeah idk how you stop ppl from griefing shuffle

cuz like

below 1600 cr

you get like 100cr a win

and you only lose like 200

[junior plover]

Legit make repeat offenses increase in penalty

[grand mesa]

I know how

[junior plover]

Not that hard but they'd have to have a system beyond a fucking in game debuff

[safe heart]

@junior plover i had to wait 15m the last 2 times i left

[grand mesa]

Account wide debuff. You have to do a torghast run to unlock ability to do any pvp

[junior plover]

30m is nothing

It should be hours

Then days

Then weeks

Like league

[safe heart]

yeah that would be better

just take them out of the pool completely

[grand mesa]

Well I don’t think you should be able to just log off and ride out debuff

[junior plover]

[grand mesa]

Account wide and it’s logged in time and first offense isn’t 15m

[safe heart]

it does have some amount of repeat offences

cuz this is the first 30m timer i had

[junior plover]

No I'm fine with ppl riding it out because if you're always banned from shuffle you're not gonna ruin many games

[safe heart]

and ive left like 4 times today

[junior plover]

Otherwise I'm just gonna leave wow open

At work

What difference does it make

[safe heart]

i think puzzle wants to make it an active punishment

cuz that sounds way worse to me

[grand mesa]

Like if u have allotted time to play at night

[junior plover]

Play 50 unranked games

To get shuffle back

[grand mesa]

And u just pretty much fucked up your night

And can’t play

Because u left one or two games

I think that’s disincentive

[junior plover]

Yeah but tbh I think if you leave every night

It should very quickly just ban you for a week

[grand mesa]

I know people say “but disconnects and internet outages”

Like sure

But how often does that actually happen

[junior plover]

If your connection is THAT unstable you don't need to grief other people with it

This is not your personal space

[grand mesa]

And if your internet is out that long

[safe heart]

if there was a ban risk i wouldnt leave ever

[grand mesa]

It’s outlasting the debuff anyway

[junior plover]

When I was a kid my laptop used to overheat like crazy

And I'd dodge every 2nd game

Got to the point where I'd play 1 game

Get banned for a month

Come back next month

Didn't deter me but sure stopped me from dodging games every day

Sorry

[safe heart]

they could just take tanks out of solo q

[junior plover]

League of legends game

[safe heart]

and that would fix everythin

i wont throw just cuz someone talked shit to me

[tender flume]

i hear a lot of mimimi

about tanks

we also have feelings :(

[stone breach]

No you dont

[safe heart]

yeah we arent factoring them into this equation

[stone breach]

If tanks had feelings, they wouldn't do what they're currently doing and ruin solo shuffle

[tender flume]

maybe i am just bad then

[edgy shale]

they have feelings, but lack empathy for others

[stray sigil]

ppl play tanks in pvp are self centered people

tru or tru

[grand mesa]

Tank players in arena are subhuman

[tender flume]

because when i queue i get lowgeared people wich guarantee insta wins to the other team

[stray sigil]

tru

[grand mesa]

Also found this hilarious

[stone breach]

@tender flume wat, you play with everyone. It rotates. If you can't win games that's a you issue

[tender flume]

if i loose all the games with the lowgeared and a game against the low geared then i loose a bunch of rating

20 wins mean -50 rating atleast -.-

[edgy shale]

twitter is actually gonna cease to exist soon

cuz of this ego'd up turd

[tender flume]

i just realised i need to give a f*ck on the other people..

just go in and deal dmg

no more heals for dds

[edgy shale]

whaat

[safe heart]

i mean duh

[haughty compass]

Good

[safe heart]

thats all bears can do lol

[edgy shale]

[tender flume]

i even use convoke only for heals...

but hey... people los me -.-

[edgy shale]

convoke?

[haughty compass]

Need to be Venthyr dude

[edgy shale]

[tender flume]

f..it

[haughty compass]

And send it

[safe heart]

youre not venthyr ? lol

[tender flume]

wait

you need to be ventyr? Oo

no one told me -.-

[grand mesa]

Jfc

[tender flume]

i just stayedd NF because i like the soulshape LOL

[safe heart]

no you should be convoke

soulshape is good for shuffle

when u need to kite and it heals you

[grand mesa]

Dreamweaver pod is also great

[safe heart]

yeah that way if you die

you can not die

[lime light]

wait u can play

all 3 convenats

as dh rn

[grand mesa]

And the game runs longer and someone else can die

[edgy shale]

dh is op EP

[grand mesa]

Yes

That’s why

They’re prepatch winners

And fuji in shambles

[tender flume]

again sarcasm?

[edgy shale]

anyone who enjoys fun is in shambles

[tender flume]

realtalk guys...

guardian ventyr or nightfae? what is stronger?

[haughty compass]

Venthyr way better dude

Venthyr + sleeper leggo is insane dmg

Take the moonfire talents

And just rip people apart

Enjoy 2.1

Gear

[grand mesa]

Korayn is bis against demo. First strike on every new pet. 25% crit chance

It’s opop

[tender flume]

@haughty compass would you change anything?

[haughty compass]

Don’t need to bind anything but incarn + ravenous frenzy moonfire and thrash

Maybe bark skin

And send it

Do a maul or two at the end of the ramp effect

Enjoy until they put tanks in the dumpster

[haughty compass]

Can even use nature’s vigil if you want for the big passive heals

[grand mesa]

Like why are u wasting a point into 1 point WHI when we have a conduit

[edgy shale]

is that sarcasm?

[grand mesa]

They don’t stack

[tender flume]

sorry i am new to druid lol

did i say new?`i was going to say... boosted AF

[grand mesa]

You want to be venthyr with sleeper lego

Spam moonfire thrash

Your moonfire has giga modifiers now between the new talent tree stuff, galactic guardian, etc

[lime light]

how many points do u get

after lvl 60

talent points

[edgy shale]

5 and 5

[grand mesa]

5 on each side

[forest kite]

Hey im still debating if blood talons is worth using in pvp? why risk having to use 3 abilities where i can guarantee the dmg. is 10 % that much?

[grand mesa]

Most times you’ll close out the game before your RF ends

[forest kite]

still new to retail feral btw

[grand mesa]

@stray sigil

[edgy shale]

if ur more comfortable without using BT u don't need to use it

ive experimented with both

either is fine

[stray sigil]

bt is more dmg

i would recommend p’aying with it

[forest kite]

Ik but i question the uptime

[stray sigil]

and getting used to it

[forest kite]

like there are times i cant get it up

[stray sigil]

in pvp it wont be a problem

like what

in zerk?

[edgy shale]

its never worth to overcap CP to proc BT

[forest kite]

rly ipod

[edgy shale]

yes

[safe heart]

i just beat a bear in a 1v1 as sp lmao

[stray sigil]

outside of zerk should have no problem proccing and using bt

so in zerk u prob dont care

u just send dmg

[forest kite]

Gotchu

[stray sigil]

but outside u def try to get it as much as possible

[forest kite]

Yea i just wonder all the times i miss / berserk

doesnt it even out with the other talent lol

[edgy shale]

its assumed u miss a lot of value out of it in zerk yea

even in pver

still p good for the BT rip

[stray sigil]

bt is more dmg than lion if u have atleast 60% uptime on bt

[forest kite]

rly