pvp

[white owl]

replace the unrated arena forever

[grand mesa]

I was planning on unrated shuffling with healer queues to a full honor set before season started

[white owl]

with shuffle

[haughty compass]

That’s the direction blizzard went

[white owl]

thats was my plan too

but nope, its gonna be standard epic bgs

[grand mesa]

Man

[livid swan]

what makes you say that? my experience has been against any class with pets you get a gross amount of procs

[grand mesa]

I was about to uninstall battleground enemies

Cause I saw 0 reason to play it

[white owl]

i hate that azerite map

[safe heart]

Because not every comp has 40 imps to proc bites on

[grand mesa]

I love azerite map lol

[white owl]

and i hate that one with the nightelf seige engines

[grand mesa]

I like small maps where it’s just team fights and objectives are almost like suggestion not a requirement 😂

[haughty compass]

I like random bgs lol

[grand mesa]

Temple, silver shard, azerite map

[livid swan]

hey btw https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-with-the-blues-on-dragonflight-beta-on-friday-november-11th-329781?webhook am i dumb or are they saying log into BETA at 6est, then log into the PTR an hour later? do they really want us to swap clients?

[white owl]

all i want to play, is WSG, arathi, temple, the other arathi with ligthhouse

nobody knows how to play mines

[grand mesa]

Miss me with any flag running map

Can’t stand them

[thorny venture]

😄 Healers now saying they'll dodge tank games cause some people think tanks will always go 0-6

[haughty compass]

I like em all

[white owl]

i hate that fel reaver, draenei ruins mage tower one

nah

tanks will always go 0-6 which means each healer goes 3-3

ggez

[livid swan]

how can they go 0-6 if theres 2 tanks

[grand mesa]

There’s only 1

[white owl]

and if there are 2 tanks both teams lose

[haughty compass]

Some tank players are juicers

[grand mesa]

Per match

With new system

And it’s counted as DPS

[livid swan]

oh? i thought dps tanks were mirrored as dps

[grand mesa]

Nah

Only prot paladin is mirrored as healer

[livid swan]

oh well fuck, thats dumb lol

[haughty compass]

Like, the real pvp tank players that gear and talent for it will do fine

[white owl]

worst part of shuffle is when there is one just terrible player

[grand mesa]

It’s to prevent 2 games where tanks are on same team

[white owl]

and you all take turns taking the L

on their team

[grand mesa]

That’ll go away

[haughty compass]

The ones who roll in spamming their buttons are the ones staying in Mordor

[grand mesa]

Right now ladder is permanently in placement mode

So that’s why u get that 80k HP no CR shitter randomly in your lobby

[white owl]

is that why every game feels so jank

[livid swan]

how goes guardian look for pvp btw? is it anywhere close to where it used to be for RBGs?

[grand mesa]

It’ll be dog

[white owl]

im like normal arena did not feel this bad

[thorny venture]

In games like that the true victory is whichever tank/healer can drag that person to 1-5 instead of 0-6 so you get your 4 rounds and a chance at rating

[haughty compass]

I think guardian is in the shitter when rev frenzy and sleeper are gone

[livid swan]

from what i saw they have some 10 second sleeper CD

[white owl]

if you get 1 win with tank, you maybe can get some rating

if you roll them the other 3

and end 4/6

[haughty compass]

Unless you play pseudo healer and you get a warrior on your team maybe

[sleek ravine]

guardian pvp will be bad, no ravenous, currently not sure if a bug but rage of the sleeper provides no CC immunity so we don't have any despite the tooltip

[grand mesa]

Oh even better

[haughty compass]

One of the more insane interactions I’ve ever seen

[grand mesa]

I’m sure that’ll be fixed like all of the other bear bugs

[haughty compass]

30 sec cc immunity and a ramping dps cd

That is countered by cc lol

[white owl]

my fav part is one turn being like 'go on shaman he is trash dog water' and the next round youre teammates with the shaman

[thorny venture]

I haven't been CC'd during incarn with rage up

[haughty compass]

Because you can’t be

[grand mesa]

He’s saying with the talent

[livid swan]

I had a friend come to wow for the first time ever and he asked me to show him the most op thing in pvp (this was prior to prepatch). i queued up guardian in some random BG group and he said it made him not want to pvp knowing that was in the game lol

[haughty compass]

Gotcha

[grand mesa]

Probably because people are just not CCing into incarn

Cause they assume the lego

[sleek ravine]

they will provide some utility and healing, but their damage is largely going to be rot damage from moonfire. I think guardians losing easy access to utility spells like cyclone, typhoon, etc will mean they have to talent the class tree part weird.

[thorny venture]

oh, who's taking that talent right now on live, you don't have the points for it

[white owl]

im considering play frost dk as alt, but i remember trying it in early shadowlands and it was just a cc bot for the ww or war

[grand mesa]

Then wtf are u talking about

Furion was talking beta

[sleek ravine]

although in RBG's guardians may be fine? they will not be better base sitters than boomkins imo though. flag carrying probably ok with how much speed they can have

[grand mesa]

I think it goes back to VDH

[edgy shale]

talking about wg in one hr 37 min

[sleek ravine]

and yeah, i was talking about in the beta the talent isn't working as on tooltip

[grand mesa]

Tbh

[white owl]

1 min roar seems pretty good for bgs

[haughty compass]

Rise of the Brew master

[thorny venture]

you can't use phials or potions in rbgs right?

[grand mesa]

No

[sleek ravine]

even when you talent into it, the tooltip of rage of the sleeper in the talent tree and on your spellbook/action bar is different

[thorny venture]

darn, that speed phial seemed prime for rbgs

[white owl]

arnt most items disabled in pvp

[sleek ravine]

the talent tree mentions CC immunity, the spellbook does not. which is why i'm not sure if they removed it to nerf pvp, or if a bug

[white owl]

outside specific engineering stuff

like goblin

[daring herald]

rdruids can i see your builds right now? Sitting at 2050 atm with this and enjoying it - https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration/DANEFAVAcCYBQVE1BFOVVFRVURIREgAAQCFR

[grand mesa]

Engineering Yonkers work

[sleek ravine]

yeah, items like that are disabled in pvp

some toys randomly work? so in high end RBG's at hero rating i'll see a ton of tanks or rogues using a toy that spawns a hologram to mess with BGE addon

[grand mesa]

That’s kinda what lontar runs

He went germination

I went all in on invig

[white owl]

tempted to go LW at the start of expac to sell the cc reducing boots early to pvpers then switch to alchemy

[clear pulsar]

You should pick overgrowth

[livid swan]

maybe cyclone and auto regen > sunfire and vortex?

[clear pulsar]

Over waking dream I'd imagine

[grand mesa]

No clone is sus

[clear pulsar]

Oh you have tree picked

Yeah idk

[white owl]

is improved regen that useful

just recast regen

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[grand mesa]

It works for invig

I think

Wait

[white owl]

but he is running germ

[grand mesa]

Do u mean rejuv or frenzy

[clear pulsar]

Frenzy

From up top

[white owl]

oh improved rejuvination

[clear pulsar]

Oh

[white owl]

i feel like with germination double rejuv youre gonna waste alot of it on overheal

the extra 3 seconds

i mean, when is missing clone right now

could stand to lose a point in lycara too

[grand mesa]

Germ is really good sustained healing. Another mastery stack etc. lontar is running germ rn

Idk if he’s just set in old ways or he really dislikes invig but

[white owl]

and sunfire is a bit sus

[grand mesa]

I don’t agree with sunfire

Yeah

[clear pulsar]

I'd drop rejuv duration for renewal

[daring herald]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration/DANEFAVAcCZBAVE1BFOVVFRVURIREgAAQCFR

[clear pulsar]

And 20% healing in barkskin for clone

[daring herald]

correct build i run

[white owl]

like without protector of the pack at level 60, even our moonfire feels oof. its only really for keeping people in combat

protector is gonna be fun tho

[clear pulsar]

Ok wait actually

You right

Why are you not running protector

It's brooooken

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[daring herald]

3 points way too expensive

just for protect

[white owl]

you get WHI tho

good points

[clear pulsar]

I'm easily dropping lycara for protector

[daring herald]

i have that already

[clear pulsar]

100%

[daring herald]

from cov

[clear pulsar]

Yeah replace it on conduit

Protector is broken

[grand mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282986412624838666/1039381851527200818/image.png

[daring herald]

hmm ok

[white owl]

fun increased 30%

[daring herald]

thanks

[white owl]

i dont know if i want hotw or vigil at 70 tho

[grand mesa]

Hotw

[white owl]

vigil feels like a raid ability

[grand mesa]

Imo

[clear pulsar]

This isnt possible at lvl 60

[white owl]

and hotw is like, i havent invested much into cat and i dont have moonkin frm

[grand mesa]

45s of 30% moonfire damage

[clear pulsar]

Thats 7 points in the bottom section

[grand mesa]

And if u do get swapped

You have 20% stam and dbl frenzy as bear

In that window

[white owl]

youre right take another off teachings

im sure youre over your haste budget anyway

[grand mesa]

And 45s is gonna be a decent chunk of the total duration of 1 round

[thorny venture]

you don't need to be in moonkin form for hotw to work

it'll buff starsurge too

[white owl]

yeah but youre not getting a big convoke without it

[thorny venture]

Not that restoration boomievokes ever do much

[grand mesa]

I don’t think convoke is that good

For dps

[white owl]

it makes starsurge instant, isnt it already instant

[grand mesa]

It’s already instant

Redundant tooltip

[thorny venture]

yeah, but that'd require Blizzard to care about the druid class tree

[white owl]

tree of life makes rejuvenation instant

[grand mesa]

Regrowth instant doesn’t make u heal any harder

Stops u from getting kicked sure. And tree has the 15% healing buff attached to it

[white owl]

i still think blizz model of having 'class devs' is stupid

[grand mesa]

But cast time and GCD are the same anyway

[white owl]

why not have it be a team wide thing

so losing one guy doesnt kill off a whole class

how was druid being developed by one guy

its 4 of the most unique specs in game

[clear pulsar]

Ok chill

Feral is assa with a fursuit, boomie had 4 rotational spells total until the new dev took over, guardian is prot warrior for 3 year olds, resto doesnt even have a unique spec name

It was also not one guy, the tank spec was always handled by someone else

[white owl]

resto shaman is the copy

resto druid is the original

guardian is only prot for babies, because every expansion prot gets more abilities and guardian is like, yeah thrash is pretty neat yeah

[grand mesa]

I think the only people who really get totally screwed by class tree is feral tbh

For pvp

Everyone else it’s kinda meh but whatever

[thorny venture]

They don't have dedicated class devs really

[white owl]

isnt dh one guy? he is always on the discord

[clear pulsar]

It's one dev dedicated to 2-3 classes

[thorny venture]

Nah, realz just was willing to speak to the classes

[clear pulsar]

[thorny venture]

He at least said he was part of a team, he just got feedback from rogues and dh.

[white owl]

the dh feedback must have been good

vdh is super fun

vdh/bdk/prot war are all excellent

gameplay wise, i dont know if their tuning is gonna be good

but they play fun

[clear pulsar]

The new dev that took over druid also did a great job with feral and boomie

And resto too tbh

[white owl]

everyone says resto didnt change much from SL

and thats ok

[clear pulsar]

It's rly hard to tackle a class tree for 4 specs that share practically no spells

[thorny venture]

The credits list just 15 people plus Holinka as combat designers which includes the talent trees.

[grand mesa]

This

Idk how u could envision a tree that makes everyone happy

No matter what it’s gonna feel a bit like SL’s pick an affinity then go down that line

[thorny venture]

except slightly worse if you need specific utilities

[white owl]

is that why there are so many odd filler talents, like is this honestly worth 3 points to get to kick

[grand mesa]

I think the reason why we have shit like that is

We were first draft for how they envisioned class trees

[white owl]

and typhoon is just in narnia

[grand mesa]

They clearly shifted from that as time went on

Then they never revisited us 😂

[thorny venture]

They ran out of time to redo the druid class tree

[grand mesa]

If they made a Druid tree from go now I doubt we’d have any 3 pointers as well

[clear pulsar]

I've tried my hand at messing with the class tree

I just dont post like the guardian copiumers cuz no point

But it's hard to make something sensible for every spec

[grand mesa]

Only way I think u could make it work

Is to baseline a lot more shit

[clear pulsar]

Especially if I'm limiting myself to not add anything new to the tree

[grand mesa]

And then create new talents

[clear pulsar]

Just rearrange it

[thorny venture]

I'm hoping 10.1 they'll do a new class tree for druids

[white owl]

change my mind

literally both weather

[grand mesa]

both weather

LOL

[white owl]

the same type too

typhoons are just wet cyclones

[grand mesa]

I’ve never

Heard it described that way

But I also don’t hate it

U know what I think is cracked

They’re already starting development for 11.0

[white owl]

no way

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[thorny venture]

You realize we have Blizzcon in a year from now where they'll announce it

Cinematic work for sure is started

[viscid remnant]

No tanks

[thorny venture]

If Blizzcon was this year odds are we'd have been told 10.1's patch name and raid teaser

[white owl]

10.1 will be an old god

10.2 will be a titan dungeon

uldaplot

10.3 will be zereth ordis

[grand mesa]

I never want to hear the word zereth again

[thorny venture]

I can't see us going to another Zereth this fast

Considering Ordus wouldn't be drastically different than Mortis

[white owl]

10.1.5 we burn down whatever tree the nighteleves go to again

[grand mesa]

Whoa whoa

[white owl]

10.2.5 is twitter integration

[thorny venture]

Uldorus is a very likely raid

[white owl]

and we will have to go back to torghast to retrieve a memory of zhoval that he had locked up randomly to figure out that he was actually the chosen one/good guy (tm) all along

leading up to the titan raid

this stuff just writes itself honestly

[haughty compass]

LOL

[safe heart]

ENJX, TOWER RANGER WHEN

[viscid remnant]

zereth maurice

is the next zone

[thorny venture]

no way they give us treants in the class tree haha

[clear pulsar]

Not happy with sunfire there, think it should be accessible from resto too but I couldnt add anything else

[white owl]

put treants before vigil

[clear pulsar]

No, each capstone needs to be gated by 2 pointers so you cant literally pick all 3 at once

[grand mesa]

I’d need to play with TTM to actually get a feel for tree

[white owl]

i see

[clear pulsar]

This way it's also a pretty heavy investment into boomie side for other specs

[grand mesa]

I actually really like cyclone placement

[clear pulsar]

Ursine vigor there gives feral that decides to invest more into healing a good defensive trait too

[grand mesa]

It’s out of the way for pvers and accessible for pvpers

[clear pulsar]

Bruh

[white owl]

and make it increase damage and armor

all damage

so it boosts protector too

[clear pulsar]

Ok I get it you want easy access to literally everything g ood and not have to take anything mid

Anyhow

[grand mesa]

All the 3 points being 2 already would free up a lot of points tbh

[white owl]

i mean, isnt that the standard of the other trees

[clear pulsar]

https://github.com/TobiasM95/WoW-Talent-Tree-Manager go ahead and mess with it

[white owl]

and how would i not be taking anything mid, i just moved the most mid talent infront of protector

[haughty compass]

It’ll be funny when it goes back to previous talents in 2 expacs

[clear pulsar]

You gotta maintain some level of symmetry and similarity in the progression of each branch

[haughty compass]

And people will be happy they can play the full class again

[clear pulsar]

Putting well honed instincts in a similar spot to 4% healing done is wild

[white owl]

i mean WHI is a frenzied regen, and the top part has 2 other frenzied regen boosts, feels out of place being so far down

[grand mesa]

Idk I like talent trees

Hope we don’t go MOP again with the 3 choice rows

[haughty compass]

I’ll prob like them more at 70

[white owl]

problem with mop system is we went like 3 expansions

with no rows

[grand mesa]

It feels better at 70

[haughty compass]

But it’s super overwhelming going to other classes I don’t know as well

[grand mesa]

I mean I guess

But to me being able to read all the talents in one place

[haughty compass]

It is for me

[grand mesa]

Is better than 6-7 diff wowhead articles

On conduits legos talents

Covenants

[haughty compass]

Yea on that front I’m with you

[white owl]

its annoying because alot of the talents are either old legendaries or covenant stuff or whatever thats already been tested and known if you play the class

so they prob find it easy to navigate

and if youre new youre reading it and youre like

i have no idea what any of this means

[haughty compass]

That’s why I’m not the biggest fan

[grand mesa]

It’s kinda muddied rn because covs and all this other shit still in place

It feels way cleaner and elegant in Beta

[white owl]

they read if and its like oh yeah this was the t2 set from whatever raid it was busted

and im like 2% chance to proc x

wow that sounds ass

[haughty compass]

The big win is how easy it is to swap talents

So you can experiment a lot easier

[white owl]

i dont like how loose many of the tooltips are

'has a chance to'

whats the chance, 1% 5% 99%?

50%? either it happens or it doesnt

[haughty compass]

I think it’s fine to have to test things out

[haughty compass]

And see how it feels

[clear pulsar]

If it doesnt state a % chance then it is a normalized PPM rate

[thorny venture]

Blizzard's policy is that it doesn't matter to most players the exact rate.

those who need to know it can find it out in the data

[clear pulsar]

As in it isn't a % chance, it's a proc that happens more or less X times per minute as long as you have uptime

[thorny venture]

Some casters really panic when they face melee like DKs

annoying

[lime light]

disgusing new honor talent

for ape casters

[grand mesa]

Precog?

[thorny venture]

so, where are these conquest boxes you can buy

[safe heart]

Flight master

There's a vendor next to it

[clear pulsar]

Oh word they still exist?

Huge

[grand mesa]

Same place u get

[safe heart]

Yea

[grand mesa]

The 60 renown

[safe heart]

I got my 2nd sp set up the other day

[grand mesa]

Thing

[clear pulsar]

I'm gonna be spending all of prepatch spamming solo shuffle

And buy all the mog I can on every toon

The cross class mogs

[grand mesa]

That’s…

[clear pulsar]

Are goated

[tepid spoke]

Lunar shrapnel has a weird proc chance formula

[grand mesa]

Ok I can’t judge I did the same thing and upgraded them all to duelist

In s3

Lmao

[clear pulsar]

I'll be spamming solo shuffle either way not BECAUSE of teh mogs

[lime light]

wait i just figured

[grand mesa]

All the off leather

[lime light]

Face cameback

[clear pulsar]

The mogs are just a nice bonus

I just wanna play solo shuffle

[lime light]

i was asking him to come back

[grand mesa]

The rogue helm looked cool so

[lime light]

and the refused

[clear pulsar]

I made my triumphant return to save the dreamgrove

When it was the right time

[tepid spoke]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/tkzqsmumde

[safe heart]

This is from the ludus lab guy

[lime light]

the right moment is when EP ask u to comeback

ok?

[clear pulsar]

Sounds about right, I wasnt expecting spriest to be very good but I've seen good ones win out the shuffle for sure

[thorny venture]

sweet, at 375 that's really cheap too eh?

I guess I just buy a ton of chests for my evoker

[safe heart]

They won't be around for evoker

I think

[grand mesa]

Spriest is very good rn face

I think they’re a winner from DF beta tbh

[thorny venture]

hmm, easy enough test, to the ptr!

[grand mesa]

Atleast pvp

[clear pulsar]

Should be, you just get the mail items from hunter and shaman mogs

[safe heart]

No I meant boxes

[clear pulsar]

Or are you saying the vendors go away when evoker comes out?

[thorny venture]

then prebuy the boxes

[safe heart]

I think boxes go away but idk

Yeah sp feels pretty fun

[grand mesa]

I liked playing with it

[clear pulsar]

It's still gonna be prepatch I dont think boxes would go away

[safe heart]

I feel like I have no one to queue with on my feral but like 8 ppl to queue with on sp

[clear pulsar]

They're adding more catchup gear, idk why they'd remove existing ones

[thorny venture]

the event gear is only like 255

[grand mesa]

Even tho u get trained all day like hunter it feels way better healing spriest

Maybe cause disperse is shorter CD

[thorny venture]

nope, the vendor is still there, just requires 1400 rating to purchase

at least I think it's to purchase

hopefully not use

[safe heart]

Lol I asked my hpriest friend if he if was easier to heal jungle or me on sp and he agrees

[grand mesa]

Yeah healing hunters is 👎🏻

[safe heart]

If kitty cleave is still good I'll still push feral but idk if I even wanna try jungle

It's just so painful finding a jungle team

[grand mesa]

warriors are meh

[safe heart]

Every healer hates healing it

Every hunter sucks at it

Every comp counters it

[grand mesa]

I feel like if u scuff a trap or two u just fall behind

[safe heart]

Yep

[grand mesa]

So much

Like u need to ride momentum off that

[safe heart]

If you're dmg is unhealable its a great snowball comp but like you lose if you don't kill in like 3 goes

[viscid remnant]

healing hunters only bareable in 2s as rdru hunter

XD

[grand mesa]

Ya

And I think part of that is because it’s so easy to land traps over and over again lol

I’d like to try healing kitty tho if it was good

Rdru mw disc

@viscid remnant approve?

[viscid remnant]

kitty as rdr felt shiat

but not cuz healing

[safe heart]

I like rdruid kitty

[viscid remnant]

that comp needs offensive purge

rsham or disc

[safe heart]

It just sucked against paladins

[viscid remnant]

with kitty disc it feels good against magers

[lime light]

on retail?

[viscid remnant]

ye

[lime light]

hell no

disc feels not good with kitty

[viscid remnant]

wdym i healed kitty last season

it was good

[lime light]

i dont belive it

like u want

zuger in kitty

shaman

with range kick

or u gonna be fucked in the anus

rsham was made to be a kitty cleaver

in SL

also MW was rly good, cuz u could damp

and do nothing with mw

[viscid remnant]

disc is a bit zug

[lime light]

disc was good to being zuged

[viscid remnant]

it was good cuz some games in mordor u press pi dark arc on feral sickle

and gg

[thorny venture]

with rng I wonder how many boxes you need to gear a fresh char

[lime light]

someone link me some decent

talents for feral

i dont wanna read thjjem rn

[grand mesa]

Fuji has pinned message

[lime light]

ye, but i want good talents

[grand mesa]

I think most are playing kyrian Shit rn if ur playing for prepatch

[safe heart]

Yeah the kyrian build seems to pump but obviously it's fake dmg

[lime light]

fuck it then

i will play something else

[grand mesa]

So what will fujis reaction be when he reads EPs thoughts on fujis talents. or

[lime light]

i hate it to so much, the pre patch when ppl gonna abuse the things that will never be a thing in later expansion

[grand mesa]

Yeah

I’m playing like DF not prepatch

[lime light]

like playing this, makes non sens

[grand mesa]

For better or for worse

[lime light]

u are not gonna learn anythjing

from it

u will get bad habbits thats it

[viscid remnant]

truuuuue

[grand mesa]

I take talents and legos and conduits to recreate my 70 build

[lime light]

what ilvl

was this ssn

i dont remember

[grand mesa]

311

Was duelist in pvp

Equipped was like 305 or something

[lime light]

uhm

[grand mesa]

308?

[lime light]

what the fuck did i play in this ssn

cuz every char i ahve is scuffed

[viscid remnant]

u played

1handed ep

[lime light]

ah

was LOL

asctually

[viscid remnant]

u played ur warr like first week

adn then u had the accident

[grand mesa]

How’s your hand feeling btw EP

[lime light]

u are right

lol

not great

[grand mesa]

No improvement?

[lime light]

idk when iam not doing anything with it

its ok

but when i start doing something it hurts

like nothing major

[viscid remnant]

u know what is funny

if u didnt have that accident i wouldve probably nmever played on america

XD

[lime light]

lol i have ally warrio

[grand mesa]

Hope it’s not like that chronically even if it’s minor discomfort

My hand injury never healed right so anytime anything smacks into it it hurts like a mother fucker. Don’t think it’ll ever go away

[thorny venture]

oh, they updated the blue post to say that the rated solo will be on beta too

sweet, maybe I'll practice some preservation

[lime light]

dude i wanna try pre patch

but everything

errors me

like legit

[grand mesa]

Have u updated addons

[lime light]

sarena not updated?

ye i did

[grand mesa]

Nope

It’s not

Not officially

There’s a community fix for it

Omnicd also not updated

Omnibar bigdebuffs are good tho

[lime light]

idk like

logging this pre patch

feels like logging to wow after 10 years break

[tepid spoke]

whats your opinion on jalapeño spiced pickles

[viscid remnant]

cool

[lime light]

feral deals so much dmg tho

RIP actually does something

[haughty compass]

Is it next Tuesday yet?

[stray sigil]

i want the krek u have

[lime light]

this guy rip was critting for 9.5k

[haughty compass]

Play snupy aoe build

[lime light]

lmao ok i have some dogshit build, is the talent for one more bleed when u RIP bad?

no clue why would someone pick the 25% longer rip

over the one more bleed?

do u need 3 points in this to get cyclone or one is enough

[haughty compass]

Kyrian + swarm + circle leggo

Send it mid

[lime light]

ok u actually need to pickl up reju that is useless

and swiftmend that is even more useless

to get rdispel

[south oyster]

does the highmountain lil bull rush dr anything?

I just made one on the ptr and I swear ive never seen this racial before its so funny LOL

[haughty compass]

I think it’s considered a stun

[south oyster]

nooooooo rip

[lime light]

iam

doing like

8-9k dps

with bugged ui

like

the damage of feral

is actually insane

and its soo easy to multibleed

[thorny venture]

oh hey, my MoP server is down haha

weird time for a server to be offline

woo, got my vicious warstalker

oh shoot, legacies

[grand mesa]

So EP

Feral dam is…good?

[stray sigil]

veniripper ass 4 ticks to ur rip roughly

rip n tear is ok

not sure bout 70

right now its probably better than veinripper

but it also doesnt matter

[stray sigil]

hes on krek

[stray sigil]

3

[lime light]

idk dmg feels fine

in solo shuffle

till i swapped

from playing vs rsham

[stray sigil]

wait till u play vs humans imo

[lime light]

to playing vs disc

like on paper

dmg feels high

[stray sigil]

i had fun till like 1.9

[lime light]

but that is barelly

doing anything

[stray sigil]

and then i have to do other shitt than just dmg

[lime light]

idk what u saying to me FUji

[stray sigil]

once u have to peel clone heal

[lime light]

u legit on crack

if u comparing

[stray sigil]

no lol

[lime light]

rating on that solo shuffle

like ppl

with 1.5k ixp

are 2.5k in that solo

[stray sigil]

doesnt matter

[lime light]

u cant compare

[clear pulsar]

Today was biceps and back

[lime light]

any rating there

[stray sigil]

cuz at low mmr ull get no locks

or dh

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

at higher cr

itsonly locks and dhs

[lime light]

higher cr

[stray sigil]

and then u tell me how feral feels

[lime light]

lmao u legit gain

like 500 points

sometimes

[stray sigil]

no u stop

[lime light]

there is no high mmr or rating

[stray sigil]

at 1600 ish

[lime light]

in this shithole

i queued first game

[stray sigil]

u dont get 300 + after 1600

[lime light]

and ppl had 2.3 and 2.4k rating

[clear pulsar]

Yeah queues are broken until weekly reset

For your region

They borked rating or something this week

[grand mesa]

Did they say they’re fixing on reset?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I think so

[grand mesa]

I don’t recall a blue post talking about that

[clear pulsar]

The blue post a few days ago did

[grand mesa]

Maybe I missed it

[stray sigil]

idk tian

if most feral say its dog

[stray sigil]

and ur the only one sayying its good dmg

maybe there is a problem there

[clear pulsar]

Yes the problem is none of you is at the level of el patron

[lime light]

i just said

the dmg on paper is good

[clear pulsar]

El patron says the truth always everytime

[lime light]

but the damage

does nothing almost

but on the other hand

[grand mesa]

That’s the rating reset

[lime light]

u can easly bleed all 3 targets

without PW

[grand mesa]

For swapping back and forth between specs

[stray sigil]

u wont be able to maintain triple bleed

[lime light]

bite also does no damage

[stray sigil]

while ccing

and peeling

that is big cap

[lime light]

and FF kinda worst than it was in SL

[stray sigil]

u can now

cuz the player u play with

are not humans

[grand mesa]

Disc is also like p strong rn

[stray sigil]

is there anything new today

the uh

event hasnt started right

for the heirloom

[viscid remnant]

They need to add

Faire fire

Cool button

Rdru in classical might be cooler thanretail

Tru or tru

Rogue pig cant stealth

Life can be a dream

Also swarm thingy is cool

Making enemy have less chance to hit

Pigs missing kidney

Very good

[stray sigil]

rogues would just cry 24/7\

and blissard plays rmp david

remembe thta

[viscid remnant]

when iam on my rdriid on wotlk rogues cry

i pre abolish every kidney

[stray sigil]

ur partner also cries

when he sits cc

tru or tru

[viscid remnant]

notmy problem

rdruid in wotlk would be perfect i thunk

if forms didnt cost mana and if it had magical dispel

[stray sigil]

it would be op yes

imagine the lsd at the end of wrath

that every was playing in bcon back in the day

imagine that + dispell on rdru

kekw

[stray sigil]

bro i made a ticket like

3 weeks ago

it says 34 estimated to get a response

tf ?

[midnight roost]

lmao i a low rated feral in solo just trying to have some fun and an aff lock with max upgraded gear was shredding every round so someone just left round 6

[safe heart]

Did u have fun

[midnight roost]

yeah world of warcraft is an amazing game and definitely better than overwatch

[safe heart]

Just remember that the warlock is supposed to have more fun than you
He's not paying 15 a month to lose to a feral

[midnight roost]

true and i aint paying 15 a month to play last round in solo shuffle and get conquest for winning

i play to use my troll /dance last round and leave

[lapis blade]

weekly shuffle stats reset it seems

[grand mesa]

Wonder if that’s unique bug to you or part of the bug fix

[midnight roost]

as a boomkin would it be troll to run dagger offhand in pvp if i got a cool offhand from my weekly vault

[stone breach]

no, it doesnt matter. we prefer 2h in pvp only because it comes with better secondaries

[midnight roost]

ah ty that fine becuase i was gonna try and troll with a convoke build anyway

thank you for helpp

[lapis blade]

I read what you mentioned up there a bit ago about swapping specs, but I did not swap spec past week, and it's the 2nd week in a row that the stats reset

I know it really doesn't matter now during off-season/pre-patch but it would be nice it it just worked :v

[grand mesa]

No I agree

It should be working better

[lime light]

feral is the best spec

in DF

by far

[edgy shale]

sup ep

wg in 1hour 29 min

[stray sigil]

lol

ur def on krek now ep

been watching too much snupy

[edgy shale]

snupy > fuji

[lime light]

who

[edgy shale]

1 of ur servants ep

hes too little for u to care really

[stray sigil]

someone who says feral the est melee in the game

quite obviously smoking some insane krek

[edgy shale]

est?

[lime light]

not sure, but i think its Fujis weak spot

when u say that feral is the best

[edgy shale]

the est of wwe?

[lime light]

spec in the game

his brain cant comprehende

he is legit broken

[edgy shale]

df feral > prepatch feral

[lime light]

when mention that

[edgy shale]

tru ep

[lime light]

thx

[stray sigil]

there is no way ferals the best spec in the gamw

thats the biggest copium

[lime light]

your feral's OTP brain

cant understand it

i know

[edgy shale]

in df its poss

no1 daying preparch

[lime light]

poes?

[edgy shale]

possible

[lime light]

poes is an african bad word

[grand mesa]

If ep says it

I believe

[lime light]

yes

[grand mesa]

I can’t think of a single time where EP was wrong or led me wrong path so

[edgy shale]

african bad word?

wdym

ok i see

[lime light]

u spell it

pus

[edgy shale]

@viscid remnant

vleach

ep should i move to poland?

[lime light]

no

[edgy shale]

is that a fun place?

[lime light]

no

depends

its save' kinda

like in murica u can die on streets

here not rly

just starve to death

rather

[edgy shale]

the irnternet says ur doctors are mean

and u have bureaucracy

[lime light]

i mean the thing is

if u compare

lets say

germany to poland

u do the same job right

and in germany u earn

5k euro

and in poland u earn 5k zł

[edgy shale]

[lime light]

but 1 euro = 4,69 zl

[edgy shale]

wtf lol

u guys need join the EU

[lime light]

and idk how true it is

but if u wanna compare a country to country

price wise ecc

u compare it

with a bread price

[stray sigil]

[lime light]

in poland the bread is like 5-6 zl thats around like 1.3 euro or a bit more right

and in germany it says bread is 1.23 euro

[edgy shale]

fuji move to poland with me and we help them

that sounds cheap for bread

[lime light]

ok so lets say 2 euro?

[grand mesa]

How much does bread even cost in US

[lime light]

ok lets say 2 euro

so in germany u can buy 2500 loafs of bread

and in poland 833

how cool is it

and now

think about cars and other things

they are not cheaper magicaly in poland

its rly fucked up, if u think about it

[edgy shale]

wtf

[lime light]

it says

that USA bread is 3.20 euro

[stray sigil]

y the fuck would i go poland

[edgy shale]

i mean euro and dollar are alamost the same right? lol

[stray sigil]

ya i saw on twitter

lol

what an asbolute shit take

from a shitter guardian druid

100%

[grand mesa]

I saw that on Reddit

[edgy shale]

i had to fight people on twitter baout this shit

[lime light]

ye should be the same almost @edgy shale

[stray sigil]

u know its a guardian

typing that

btw

its like

[lime light]

dolar was a bit more expensive at some point

[stray sigil]

so obvious

that its a guardian

[lime light]

the only weakness of the guardian druid spec

is the player itself

being ape and donkey

[stray sigil]

in prepatch ye

but in df tian

the spec

does notyhing

lol

its like the biggest drastic change

for these apes playing guardian atm

going into df

[lime light]

u say that based on beta

[stray sigil]

they dont have the venthyr shit

[lime light]

its not gonna be the same game

[stray sigil]

and the imnmunity

doesnt last 30s

[lime light]

beta =/= real DF

[stray sigil]

lasts like 6s

on a 1.5min cd

[lime light]

complete new game

[grand mesa]

@stray sigil apparently the no CC on the ROTS doesn’t even work rn

[stray sigil]

na im telleing u

guardian is done in df

which is a good thing

was the most oppressive and problematic of the tanks

[lime light]

how is the prot poala healing

[stray sigil]

they count as a healer

not dps

[lime light]

thats why i asked

[stray sigil]

but i dont think

[lime light]

OK LISTEN U LIL FOKING KID

[stray sigil]

its anything crazy

[lime light]

WHAT EP ASKED

READ

AND ANSWER

[stray sigil]

i doubt its anywhere close

to good healing

[lime light]

ok cool

i mean, he should do good healing imo

with wings

[stray sigil]

ye i mean

[lime light]

after wings, his team should die

[stray sigil]

if he spends every global healing

hes not doing anthing else

im ok with it

ppl just hate the guardian

but its so easy to deal with idk

@grand mesa did they get rid of magic bop

i dont see it on the tree anymore

[grand mesa]

They did for ret and holy

Prot might have it in their spec tree

Could look there

[lime light]

someone go fix

[stray sigil]

ah ok

[lime light]

the FUJI

[stray sigil]

whats tehre to fix

[lime light]

he is making 2 mistakes

one

calling guardian not op

two

[stray sigil]

not in df its not going to be

[lime light]

calling feral bad

[stray sigil]

atm yes

its being op

feral sucks bro lol

ig when i did 2s with lake

vs non cheesers

was ok

but i have draught

i wont have that

so not sure

its a pretty big nerf

to not ahve draught

flat 40%

nerf

pmuch

[lime light]

just dont both and enjoy the 133% buff?

dot

[safe heart]

The real problem is no healers in this life wanting to heal jungle

[lime light]

play double feral

and hunter

2 healers and 4 dps

how can u lose

[stray sigil]

what 133% buff

[lime light]

i dont know, just wanted o break your head even more

than i already did

[stray sigil]

r u ok krek tian

[haughty compass]

There was a period of about 3 hours where I was gonna heal

[lime light]

now u are keep thinking

how did i get

133%

[edgy shale]

FUJI STOP FUCKINGG DISRESPECTING EP

ur pissing me

[lime light]

yes pls stop

[safe heart]

I see alot of ferals playing feral dh oddly enough

[grand mesa]

I mean when DH is like what it is right now

A lot of classes suddenly seem to work with it

😂

[viscid remnant]

De fitta hari danta spela li ta dota

[stray sigil]

dh bleed is 400% more dmg than rip

[edgy shale]

this is EP's channel and u type like its ur channel fuji

[haughty compass]

Huge brain

[lime light]

not sure i dont think so dh feral was played

in this ssn?

[edgy shale]

don't disrespect.

[lime light]

i remember it in legion

but beside that not rly

maybe NA or AUSISAPES thing

[viscid remnant]

Mr max

[stray sigil]

[lime light]

bloodlet is back?

[stray sigil]

idk what it is

[edgy shale]

bleach davder

[stray sigil]

but it ticks for 20k

[lime light]

rip ticks for 23.5k

[edgy shale]

is anayone gonna ply the new god of wr?

[stray sigil]

on glzaive

[stray sigil]

no ps5

[edgy shale]

u can play it on ps4

[lime light]

EP dont play games anymore

he only buy games on switch, and afks in wow

[edgy shale]

it comes out tonight at 12. My friend bought the australiana version so im watching him play ait now lol

[lime light]

DUDE

[viscid remnant]

le fitta harivanta slepa lita dota

[grand mesa]

Great song

[lime light]

man DF pre patch is like my life

i wanna play it soo badly, but when i open it

its too bugged

to play

[viscid remnant]

hahah idk why

[edgy shale]

daavider if u haven't watched bleach yet i will literaally go to asia anad slpa you

[viscid remnant]

random i thought of it

יצ

maybve later

[edgy shale]

https://tenor.com/view/bankai-bleach-gif-6984413

i will murder you.

FAKE BITCH FAN

[viscid remnant]

idk i am a bitt falup

i need to sleep maybve

[edgy shale]

ITS LITERALLY A GOATAED EP

[viscid remnant]

maybe play some wow

[lime light]

pls be nice

[edgy shale]

EP

[viscid remnant]

i need to grind to 74today

[lime light]

EP's child is

[viscid remnant]

on dvdr

[lime light]

watching the chat

[edgy shale]

u need to watch bleach

its not weeb

its badass

[lime light]

it is weeb

[viscid remnant]

yavla fitta

[edgy shale]

no its not weeb

its cool

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-bankai-gif-19367207

[edgy shale]

bankai isn't weeb

[viscid remnant]

coldest moment

[lime light]

ITS COOOL ONLY IN YOUR HEAD

ITS WEEB

FOR A NORMAL PERSON

[edgy shale]

EP

[lime light]

no

[edgy shale]

u need to watch

[lime light]

dont speak about it

[edgy shale]

nd u understaands

[lime light]

no

[edgy shale]

EP i will come to poland and we watch, ok?

[lime light]

weeb is weeb

no more talking

[edgy shale]

ok

[lime light]

thx

u can talk

[edgy shale]

if EP tell me to shut up then i never talk again

[lime light]

but not about anime

dont be weird weeb

or u cant find a wife

[viscid remnant]

its just me against the world ep

[stray sigil]

[lime light]

idk Davider

i think u are weeber kinda of

so u are the world

[edgy shale]

[viscid remnant]

ITS JUST ME AGAINST THE WORLD BABY

[stray sigil]

david def a weeb

[viscid remnant]

maybe

kind of yea

[edgy shale]

yea, but there's levels to this shit

[lime light]

man i found good asmr

[edgy shale]

if ur like fuji and u lick esdeath shoes ur massive weeb

if ur davder just watch bleach ur good weeb

like EP would u consider people who like DBZ weebs?

[stray sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/esdeath-gif-21684637

[viscid remnant]

yea feji is too far

[stray sigil]

its me against the world