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me and david
enter beta channel
It doesn’t have to be a weird turf war lmao
Shhhh, just fan the flames and get your popcorn out
No
they will have war
No
listen to this
they are pvers
they will bring u down
to their idiot lvl
in their idiot world
they couldnt even win a war
in their idiot castle

they wipe for 400hours on ai
Hahaha
Tbh raid AI are less predictable than pvpers
game

u can read in the journal how its gonna go
You don't know who the mechanics are going on
thats a braindmgur take
But I know RMP's script
HEY GHARNEF IF I AM HEALER AND WW PARA'S ME WHAT'S THE NEXT GLOBAL
if ur argument is that pvp is more scriptwd than pve
Sweep 
uve lost the plot idk
lost in the sauce
i think there's shit that goes both ways

too much copium
like everything else
there is room for human error
I've been outplayed by a raid boss too
u cant get outplayed by AI
the boss will do the same thing bo matter what
sure and that stuff breaks the scripts and pushes your buttons up ahead in cooldown economy
If we push Jailer out of P1 after bombs go out. People jump to their death
Jailer outplay
but there's also randomness in raid
Pvp vs pve the fight as old as time
that fucks ur shit up no matter how much u plan
it's just weird cause
u can easily just wipe
nono puzzle ur coping
and go again
too hard now
ok but thats if u push
too fast
thats a U issue
not the raidboss outplaying u
because the boss does the same thing
every pull

Pve is just pvp against the other people in your group
Addons play the game for both sides anyway
the only thing i'll say is. quite often a boss will target mechanics randomly. that's why we need WAs with priority lists to mitigate the randomness into something sensible.
You’re just playing DDR
that's pretty true
p’enty of ppl with vanilla uis and shit in pvp
I rely heavily on addons
I wouldn't be able to play with just basic arena frame
Since I right click to focus
🙋🏻♂️
i would have a hard time without DR tracking
and omnibar
i could learn to get by with everything else eventually i think
definitely more people that use vanilla in pvp than pve
Pvpers just don't want it as bad tbh
dont need all these addons is all lol
sure u can accidentally spaceship UI it by going too nuts
but i think mes arena CDs is empirically better
Pvers have that mamba mentality, always trying to improve.
Both can live in harmony
love blanket statments
i dont think its sbout pride
Is this man really questioning the value of audio cues?
Because science that's why
how to improve your pve log :
pad more dmg
get more pi buffs on you
its about having a clean ui to see shit

i don't think most audio queues are necessary
you can still have a clean ui with addons
Have you seen whaazz's UI?
vanilla isn't the key to that
I don’t play with sound and I’ve been a gladiator and a CE raider too. I use the most basic shit
No sound is sus
tbf i was pretty fucking stock on M jailer kill
but i still needed WA
and bigwigs for timers
yup
i jabe sarena big debuff
pykan, u would need WA in modern CE raiding
and omnibar
big difference is pve fights are almost definitely designed around addons
thats it
How else will I hear Ion say "Frankly, that's a skill issue" every time someone around me dies?
some of these WAs are very computational now because the mechanics demand it
i was ce in legion, only a couple of fights then were confusing at first
They just try to make the fights harder
literally just said fights are designed around addons
man chooses to ignore other people
cuz it dont matter
not trying to convince you on it
i dont think you could convince me addons sre 100% necessary anyways
cool
A lot of it is ho effective the raid leader is too tbh, at least form my experience
very
And the best players in this game are good at both, like mythic raiding really helped me In Arena
depending on certain fight mechanics
But because of arena, my reaction time was solid when I tried high end raiding
TRUUUU
because fights require them
David wants to oppress my people 😦
it's a development issue
jailer randomly assigns 6 people out of 18 with bombs, you have to jump into 6 holes to form a pizza slice around the room. you have about 3s to get into a hole at the right time or you essentially wipe. if 2 people go in the same hole you both die. it would be very hard to coordinate who goes into which hole in 3s. that's why you have a WA that does a priority list and assigns them
it was a big issue in wod and legion
People hate when the two modes overlap, but that’s when the game is the best. True or true
not true old man
@haughty compass
More participation makes rating easier to get
I specifically said don’t do that Fuji, sheesh
ok u can let pvers
into pvp
but i will never
ever
do a raid
id rather quit wow
tru
cool
Tbh I don’t like raiding either, just not my bag
But it would be silly to get rid of raiding, the game would die. Pvp so dead
🙏 
dreamgrove is nothing without me
im almost done crafting a weapon jfc
🛑
i want 392's
lmao
its actually good to get a feel for this system, there's alot to it now
I have a feeling crafting is going to be a headache
it is
they added some depth to it
but usually in wow depth = tedium
and this feels tedious
I kinda want to be a 1 trick this expac and really try hard it
ive been doing this for about 5 hours now with infinite mats on a vendor

Yea the problem with it, is we’re all sweaty min / maxers now
So unless it’s the best, it’s shit
Yea I’ve been one for 17 years man
but i know uve been palying it forever
I know I’ll end up with like 4 chars
i have a feeling pve dinguses are gonna want help getting 1800 set
I always do it

Warlock / evoker / Druid
Up in the air
evoker even with 30 yards look sus
idk if it still looks tragic they'll probably aura buff it by like 20% or something lmao
so when u can cast it does giga
i heard they do no dam
Probably because everyone sucks at it too
But I’ll do m+ / raid LFG / arena if I 1 trick
i think that's healthier bro
locking urself into 1 content esp pvp is so depressing
but idk
shuffle may change alot
I mean I did all that this expac, just not this last one
Last season
I have 2 ksm mounts, aotc... that’s good enough for me
All LFG
i don't think i could paly this game without mythic raiding tbh
Same
It's possible solo shuffle would change that
Idk, maybe I'd play every class to 1800 or something
If solo shuffle rewards are legit and there are achievements for playing multiple classes or specs, I'm definitely going to play the shit out of that
yeah if shuffle is popping
and not super sweaty to 1800 because it's pretty active
probably will collect sets
all iam saying
blizzard's trackrecord
does not
how do i say
it doesnt make sense
for that to happen
Shrug then me raider
U do u
That’s the way to do it
Blizz's track record over the last couple expansions there was enough busywork in order to raid that I was hardly able to find the time to pvp early on anyway
Arena is a side show, sorry but it is
i hope they do away with that
no time to do anything but what was absolutely required for raid
ie. KORTHIA

sitting there waiting 2 hours for the portal rares
But I can’t bother with setting a schedule to hope my 19 other team mates don’t suck that night
Idk arena is minigame but somehow that minigame is more engaging than the main game
thats very valid pykan
Real and based
I'd rather do Korthia than grind bis trinkets and rings from dungeons because raid doesn't drop infinity loot but the pve mini game does
Not to say I play perfectly, but once I have the fight figured out, I want it to be over. Execution errors are fucking dumb and I can’t stand it
I understand that argument on simpler fights and heroic, but some players have harder jobs in end tier fights
So obviously players will "learn" at different speeds since they're being asked to do different things
Totally get it, I’m just not here for it
yeah even if people understand what ur saying intellectually gharnef
Sometimes it's you and you're stressing.
Sometimes it's not you and you just gotta
til they get it
still doesn't make it fun for some if they're stuck waiting
The problem with korthia
Is that its for pvers
As a pvper
I already have all gear on vendor
Im also a dad gamer, I don’t want to spend my time on raid prog
Just let me play
that's the problem with SL. eveverything was to give raiders shit to do
and pvp was roped in
lmao
Yea spending all that time farming conduits
And next season, “here just buy them”
I’m sure you loved the RNG conduit upgrades that were purely there to slow down degen raiders
So dumb and pointless
But I needed the toy from the rep supplies anyway, so I did the dailies
I really want to dive in, play the new class, 1 trick it and do all the content
Veilstrider... maybe like, dragon rider or some shit
Idc
Legend
Humongous
Ok but
I FORGOT TO PUT MISSIVES ITS HASTE MASTERY
And you get to do it for real in a couple months
The shadowlands meta title
Big ahadowlands meta achievement title
I almost have it

Pykan has had it since the dawn of time
I got it a few weeks ago, because I really enjoy that sort of thing
I collect toys, and do meta shit
Im stressing about getting enough superior parts in time
I like doing the expac stuff
Starting to level my Necrolord table to try to get more
Thats so weird
Every construct you create gets you more of them
Nev heard of that
Yea, but new constructs is a weekly thing
or the weak link in 3v3 that was boosted/carried and think they are good
Yea if you’re just getting started you’re kind of screwed lol
Season 2 glads am I right team?
I'm 5 appearances, 4-5 constructs, and some quests away
Yea, probably about 5 weeks away then
Am I thinking about this wrong but does rip and tear encourage applying 5 cp rips?
With good quest rng
I hope it's less than 5 weeks, I only have 4
Veilstrider goes away
Oh wait, the achieve is gone
Gotta earn it in time
I think I'm closer than you're saying
do i level from 60-70 on the other server
There are just 2 constructs that cost like 7-10 parts
Where
Wargames
Like
Ded chat
Smh
But mby thats delusion
2 people chatting rn have beta
Prob cant do them
pykan and gharnef are beta unhavers
They cut off rated solo shuffle right
ya
Feels like everyone got beta
lakez is off on tuesdays i think
she has beta
@haughty compass can u hurry up and get beta ffs
we're waiting on u
I don’t want it
I will 1 trick dragon
And if prepatch I hate it, I will be In Shambles trying to decide
wrong
cuz rip does the same dmg no matter the amount of cp u use
so the 6% will always do the same dmg regardless of the cp u put in ur rip
but if u have beta and ur using rip n tear
its double dippin so u might be very depressed when the numbers are tuned
I haven't found one build I'm completely happy with on beta yet, might be because numbers need tuning
No bezerk has been one of best though
its actually tragic how shitty of a button zerk is for ferals
Puzzle not
if u dont take it means u took some dogshit

should have been a node yes
i am not crafting items on beta
I love my build
no
true
i dont belive
Hes crazy pver
i assume its the ticks not sure
What’s wrong with it
so
There’s no value in going nuts when we’ll kill boss 4-6 months in no matter what
Seems strong as hell atm
if u swarm tf rip
The tear is doing half of rips damage not just 6% rn
That sounds intended 😃
ye its doing like 20-25% dmg of the rip
Shooting ferals to miles ahead of others on overall
i think
One I'm playing at moment goes to lunar, then brutal slash and raging fury to avoid the buff nodes
Gotta see what’s whitelisted with swarm
With talons swarm and frenzy
U have heard of double dipping... puzzle dips his pizza into ketchup
Your right it doesn’t apply it’s own dot although it says it does in tt
moonfire gonna do nothing
good, moonfire feral is a bitch
True but until tuning moonfire doing so much more damage, especially with circle
My build feels op af but maybe I am just feeling that tear buff
i like moonfire but u have to invest 3 points for it and it wont do dmg
Yeah it needs to be In a better position
No regrets
it was in a fine position
U are
@stray sigil tear dmg does seem to change depending on cp usage on rip
Disgusting
lmao
Swap lunar and primal wrath around
average NA meal
on beta
they should just remove the regwoth thing
and put moonfire back there
Was that there in alpha?
1 cp rip tear ticks for 1100ish 5 cp it ticks for 2800ish
That would be amazing
veinripper gives u 3+ rip ticks depending on ur haste
theres no shot the 6% thing is gonna be played anwyasy
I quad dip into that ketchup and I’m not ashamed
Fuji what's your current build so I can try it
I mean tear should be it’s own bleed
ye moonfire was there before the revamp 2-3 weeks ago
According to tt
take bt
instead of bite force
and that would be my build
dont understand
is tear reworked or what
rip dmg is always the same just duration
It doesn’t specify if it’s based on tick dmg or total rip
Just test it. Tear on 1cp rip vs 5
How much %
Yeah i tried that build other day, felt nice to rotate convoke or frenzy every go
Just never been a fan of convoke
In pvp
??
Whatsup
me neither but
2 points for 1 min convoke u cant pass on unfortunately
Ban him thyme
dw i do it with my crust too
Thats disgraceful
not with the cheese\
I will avoid convoke at all costs
thats a bit sus
It’s shitty hospital cafe pizza I wouldn’t do it with a legit one

american hospitals offering pizza at cafes

Bro
Hospitals serve so much
ROFL
Shitty fried food
ye tian that seems like a pve thing
So u go back layer and pay tyem more
but ur right there for the kenker then
so they dont know what to do
its like dentists giving you candy after the visit
all food in the US
Idk rip and tear numbers all over the place
wtf
Double cheeze
holy fuck u have to be memeing puzzle
Double patty
there is no way
6 percent of my 2 cp rip should be like 758 total
Rofl
Asian metabolism ok
Na hospital
And it did 2354
Affected by mastery maybe?
swarm tf mastery bunch of shit dippin
What’s tears % of rip when u do 1cp rip vs 5cp
I didn’t use any active buffs
ye im just listing the things that buff it
We need actually Feral PVErs who know TC lol
tf is tc
@nova cobalt2face
Theorycraft
Target craft
is savage roar removed again
Target call
Rbadg player
tian did you just today get beta
o
what does it mean
And it did the same about 19.5 percent of rips Dmg on a 5 cp
"new rip"
so u put a rip
and its not working
till u rip again
or the tooltip is dogshit as usual
It’s gotta be based off the total right because the ticks are not even
u put a rip onsmoeone rip n tear is on for 6s
and both of them have 1 rip up?
It’s like 2155 2155 and then 300
then u have to wait till u put it on again
3 ticks
rip n tear can be on everyone
if u primal wrath
itll put it everywhere
thats why its good in pve
Wtf are u all saying
It’s jsut being affected by mastery is why it’s doing more
yes
so why it says
Every rip applies a tear
"new rip"
Cause I calculated minus my mastery and the number makes more sense
idk its not a new rip its just a dot based on the dmg of ur rip
Mastery affects rip. Then the tear dot which is a function of rip gets buffed again by mastery
That’s double dip
but thwen its also buffing tear on its own
Idk where the quad dip is
Seems like it’s buffing tear on its own
I feel like I should be seeing an extra bleed
Based on wording
Which would be cool for taste for blood
isnt there a debuff for tear
bleed
i think they def made the tree
It’s performing like it
to fix the problem that feral had in pve
where its like we had no aoe
but unfortunately doesnt fix anything for pvp feral
Double rake and the thing that consumes existing rip damage at once
Sounds good for keys
And the aoe bite thing
ye its def a good m+ tree
back in the day we didnt even have aoe rip and some ferals still did m+s
The rip bite thing might be low key nice for pvp
Pve 
I had some instances where it procced when I had 5 cp already
So it was fat bite into fat bite
Skra the tank
Pve achieve is
Legend
herioc
soo easy
heroic
@grand mesa quad would be swarm buffing rip then buffing tear
Or tf doing the same
Yea ksm pretty easy, but it’s chill and a nice change sometimes
But after 2 seasons, I get over doing the same dungeon
Same
Any day of the week
I did the na ksm while i was bored and everyone was sleeping on murica

U had the chance king dingus
Played with australians
God emperor dingus
Sussy
i did ask pykan to q 1 time
Yea, I play with other friends once y’all take it as a personal attack
OK DUDE
got depression
I’ve asked him about 5 times he said no each time
One time he asked me
And said Jk
1 min later
Cause he found better people
I asked if you wanted arcane warrior thinking you’d say no
Because “the more I play with Pykan the more I hate it”
2022 MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
So true fejer
the moment u quit, is not a moment when u wanna be depressed mister davider
u wanna celebrate
Nope
nope
do u even play wow time
He does not last I saw
Time is based
i wonder how long qs are gonna take now
7mins before wotlk launch
if i q tomorrow
is it 15mins
wrath actually one of the best expansions, but the time u need to play it
is actually crazy

Nope
Couldn’t be me
False I found out horde pve queues are bumping
true cant be u

So now I am troll druid doing heroics
its ok pylon
I’m pretty checked out in retail. Nothing to do. Beta Atleast new and interesting
I might just lvl to 80 on wotlk and then come back when cata is out
if cata is out
kek
true im pretty much doing rep grinds
or mount runs

Yeah I login to do weekly ulduar and mogushan palace
I unlocked mechagnome heritage rofl
And made aff and destro leggos to shit on people in random bgs
And maybe rbg since that’s you know.... rbg
Idk I like demo

Feral disc lock 3s
I will become a game developer
i told u idc i will q
the new games, will focus the low iq new kids
all u gonna get is 4nite games
Lol
Idk pykan
U guys are so doomer
This season
I think shuffle will be ok
David we can bond tho, I am way more chill on voice
And its going to be even deader cux wotlk
Dreamgrove catches me when I am bored and doing nothing
shuffle will be so toxic I will get perma ban from wow
just wanna do stuff for fun lol
This is a trap David he doesn’t even plug in his mic
idk about u guys, but there is legit nothing new in that expansion
Puzzle said I had a nice voice, the weirdo
Everyone here has nice voices
like a fucking 2 legged ALPHA CAT
To think I felt special
David fuji Yolanda face
or the legion weapon with this
Lmao
now its copy
legion was such a nice expansion for druid idk
Dude they need to make that a skin
My phone somehow auto corrected pykan to Yolanda
CLAWS OF SHIRVALLAH
so many new forms and shit
bring back fuckign shirvallah now
Based and real
shirvallah was so ugly
Zechey god damn it
Shirvallah did look gross from the pictures I saw
I played the shit blood talons just so I wouldnt be that ugly monstrosity

that is ep
shirvallah is epic
It would be a cool skin
only the worgen skin looked cool but who plays worgen
i would go tauren rn but
My Druid dies in shadowlands
it will fuck with my

Pretty reps dude
so ill have to re do some zones

I have to re unlock nazjatar
Oh you don’t like to see the quest thing
nop
It’s kinda annoying
I am legit gonna do everything on evoker
so i do em
Complete the game
Like I already did on Druid
i already hjave loremaster
f1 discord
now thats a cringe discord if its anything like the reddit
last not correct
the question is
do i wait till wrath launch just to watch
ppl being mad
about lags and queue
I need to get an auction house in my Evokers garrison fuckkkkk
I might just level mining on hinterlands when wotlk launches, only time the zone will be empty
were there issues with tbc launch?
Oh if it gives u fuel then

? sussy
anyway pykan
ill say it simply
its nothng against uj

but i see it as numbers game
lets say
we q like 2-3 nights per week
4 weeks left for this season
- dead game deflated
it just dont see it
going anywhere
u know
idk man
its just how it is
u cant get it this ssn

most of your q's gonna be into boosters
need a warehouse of copium to keep up hopes of glad
if those are your skill teams
i dont see an issue
but those are gonna be
2x r1 + boosted ape
that plays a spec, that cant die
pylon also plays a spec that cant die
nothing bad queing into 5 different teams
not meta coms are good, if u q into something once or twice ye
then they learn the weaknes of it
and its over
Yep
ofc feji
iam just assuming ye
best case
we get into any real rating
its going to be cancer
I think if I can get a crew of homies to duck around at 2k-2.1, and the final 2 week push we can slam
It’s ok to play to just have fun lol
@viscid remnant what’s your usual xp?
its not fun if you arent reaching your goals
the higher ur xp the more sociopaths u ave to play with
im not down for that anymore
2.1 2s 3s