Yeah. I think with no crafted ring full sockets you can get to 15% maybe 16% comfy outside of war mode
#pvp
lime light
where is zechey tho
why he is so passionate about the game only first week of the ssn
livid wasp
I want df already
grand mesa
Do you
lime light
u think u do
viscid remnant
ur class gona suck and u will be more mad than ev
grand mesa
The only promising thing about rdru is nature vigil
livid wasp
ill just play less
grand mesa
Well my opinion is. DF is an apology and they’re focusing on giving everything player asked for over the years
If they manage to still fuck it up. Then game is dead. Blizz can’t make a good game anymore. I can move on 😂
viscid remnant
where
tropic schooner
ur class gona suck and u will be more mad than ev
Ngl that sounds like a positive for us
viscid remnant
no i mean what is the talent called i cant see
grand mesa
It’s got 50 stacks
viscid remnant
and ya the ccoon thing looks promising
viscid remnant
can finally preccoon without it being destroyed in 1 global
livid wasp
what classes are gonna be fotm?
grand mesa
Ngl that sounds like a positive for us
I love zechey rants man. Part of the reason why I’m so sad he’s not playing much rn. I enjoy them so much
tropic schooner
what classes are gonna be fotm?
Arcane mage and brewmaster
grand mesa
Who knows. Warriors got good trees. So does lock and shaman
Mages are sad. Druids are sad
livid wasp
warrior and lock always good
grand mesa
But idk if a good tree means much. Cause that’s like half of it. The other half is tuning
viscid remnant
i like this back from bfa
grand mesa
Rdruid natures vigil could be oppressive and giga
And might actually be complaint about a ton
viscid remnant
always liked u tea a kick pre stun and with the versa from cns u cant die
XD XD
HUH
monks will have
1min cd on wall
and revival castable while stunned
lmao
gg class fixed kappa
ok monk looks
kinda tanker
u can get diffuse and dampen harm and 1min wall
wtf
grand mesa
Revival is castable while stunned???
livid wasp
MWs are so annoying already
viscid remnant
escape from reality is a legendary
like u got basically all legendarys on the tree
u can probably make a pretty decent melee tree
cuz u got all these escapes and defenses
LMAO
grand mesa
Currently I would tell DH don’t stress about mana. I’m gonna lose on mana. You just swap to MW later in the game kick him and he’ll die pretty quickly
But if they don’t die and never oom
grand mesa
Are we all filthy monks now
viscid remnant
grand mesa
Do I join peak of serenity and start shitposting there
grand mesa
What did Druids get 🫠
viscid remnant
ok so mw has
grand mesa
We got the “click a form spec affinity” that we already have in SL with a very minor twist
viscid remnant
tigers lust, 50%melee slow, port legendary from sl, dampen harm , ring of peace, diffuse magic , immune to snare while rolling, instant cast vivify
and thats just the normal monk tree
sry roll gives immune to root and snare
viscid remnant
I think so
grand mesa
That’s almost as good as our shapeshifting haha
livid wasp
bring powershifting back bitches
viscid remnant
i think melee mw could be actually good lmao
like u can get so many legendarys on the tree
that it could work
crystal forge
grand mesa
Yeah fistweaving could actually be a thing
viscid remnant
the issue with fistweaving now is that u go to melee u can easily die
now u have 1 morbillion defenses and escapes and vivify is instant
HUH
viscid remnant
lmao
crystal forge
It’s a good video ngl
I died at the gang gang
That made it so much better than it should have been
grand mesa
Man I might be done and make it home before daily reset lol
tiny oar
epic
grand mesa
Haha when I get back
tiny oar
yeye
grand mesa
I’ll be on in an hour ish @tiny oar
tiny oar
I’ll be on in an hour ish <@237412116024393728>
kk sounds g
PPL THAT LEAVE SHUFFLES DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR CHARACTERS DELETED
@grand mesa
safe heart
If you get 3 wins it counts for the daily win ?
tiny oar
yea
grand mesa
Yeah
Sometimes when I’m like crushing enemy healer and they’re not having fun they just rage leave
So if I get 3 I just let them win idk
I really wonder how they handle afks for ranked shuffle
tiny oar
@grand mesa fuck dh rdruid bro me n this lock are running ppl DOWN 
safe heart
It's funny to me when I randomly get like a legit comp in shuffle and they forget the entire strat
grand mesa
I’ve never seen a rogue mage do rogue mage things in shuffle
Ret war tho they follow the script 😂😂😂
tiny oar
<:VerySadCat:845090284231458817>
im just memeing bro we queue when servers back upp i almost got my 4 pc bang bang big fuck off dam inc
grand mesa
Lolll I might be on call for a second case but I have a few hours I imagine
How long is shut down
tiny oar
an hr max
viscid remnant
WIt
grand mesa
Oh one hour
viscid remnant
Waitwhy
grand mesa
Probably fixing Ah
tiny oar
ah is fixed so i didnt get my haste mast VI 😦
grand mesa
Considering I was doing the equivalent of open sesame voodoo for my missive of masteru
I don’t mind shutdown to fix
I figured out how to buy tho
Is it bad that I’m actually excited for my two sockets tomorrow
Need more mastery lol
viscid remnant
vague mural
them sockets gon' be thicc
uncut shale
If there’s any boomies here, my friends and I are think about playing dwts with sub rogue for glad. What covenant would you play with sub? Is convoke just bad now? Or does the rogue just need to go assa?
velvet nymph
whats the best way to farm conquest in season 4?
have 15k honor from last season that rolled over, so just after big conquest games. is it still rbgs?
velvet nymph
i dont mind rbgs
i enjoy flag running quite a bit actually
ty for confirming for me
uncut shale
Kyrian is better but idk about with DWTS specifically
Yeah I’m sure kyrian would be better for assa rogue but if there’s less consistent damage outside of goes I wonder if convoke would be better.
grand mesa
I really suspect you’ll do better damage with 1 min kyrian goes than 1min convoke
Get into an eclipse. Fury badge kyrian bond boom boom
Especially prevalence of pet classes who knows wtf convoke is hitting
Twitter
@viscid remnant
Score 2 kills. They come back anyway 😂
uncut shale
How smart is convoke damage? Will it hit targets that are sapped root beamed? Rooted? Or just stunned?
viscid remnant
rmp unplayable
uncut shale
So couldn’t you technically just root the pets before convoke?
grand mesa
Ya sure but ig are you not gonna rootbeam the healer for voke?
It’s a lot of work when I’m p sure kyrian will hit harder anyway
And u guarantee surges hit the right target
uncut shale
Rsham could root totem if mass entangle doesn’t get anything. But yeah you might be right. Im just trying to think of what could make comp work with sub instead of assa.
vague mural
even with sub id imagine kyrian is better, consistent dmg wont go up as convoke and your burst is lower as convoke and easily stopped
viscid remnant
Best comp would probably be just kyrian and with outlaw
And rsham
And just play kinda like boomy dh
uncut shale
Yeah that just sounds so insanely damp. Appreciate the advice. Thanks for the input.
stone breach
I wouldn't suggest playing sub + boomy
haughty compass
I’m at the point where I just tell people to try it, but it’s kinda trolling to not play kyrian in 3s.
Guaranteed 7-8 surges wherever you want them to go
Every 1min
uncut shale
Yeah I guess this is me kind of trolling but I don’t understand why boomy can’t be played somewhat like a mage. Do they just not do enough damage in a go? Or is it not having dragons breath?
uncut shale
Just boomy in general there.
haughty compass
Yeah I guess this is me kind of trolling but I don’t understand why boomy can’t ...
Not sure I understand. You cc with cyclone vs sheep. You bear instead of blink / shield.
grand mesa
so ur question is why boomkin rogue healer isn't as strong as RMP
uncut shale
Kind of. While using a kite and go strategy.
haughty compass
DRs work differently with balance too
Rogue moonkin healer works fine, just not as good as other comps /shrug
Try it out
deft parrot
which pieces do I want 4 set on as balance?
untold notch
Boomkins are way less tanky than mages tbh
grand mesa
gharnef typing an essay
stone breach
Yeah I guess this is me kind of trolling but I don’t understand why boomy can’t ...
You don't have instant CC or self-peels on the same level. Instead you have tankiness and two spammable CCs.
You don't have infinite kill potential during a short CD that you can earn back. Instead you have overwhelming damage every 3min and enough to help get a kill every 1min.
Playing sub+boomy, you'd struggle to get kills. Plus the DRs line up less well.
Boomy plays better with a class that just shit outs overwhelming damage either on a 1min or all the time.
DH is the prototype
grand mesa
why DH works well just shits out damage
stone breach
Outlaw might work, assass might work. Sub is no shot
untold notch
Anyone have any luck as jungle vs LSD?
viscid remnant
i saw whaazz lontar and shamss playing outlaw boomy rsham looked good but obv they are insane players on their own classes so thats why it worked so well iam guessing
uncut shale
You don't have instant CC or self-peels on the same level. Instead you have tank...
Kk. Thanks for the reply. My rogue has mostly been playing sub so I was just trying to weigh the impact of him rerolling specs vs strength of comp considering how short this season will be. Sounds like the reroll will have to be the play and we’ll just have to hope we can get good enough quick enough.
haughty compass
Gharnef you the man
grand mesa
gharnef bis
haughty compass
I had puzzle luck yesterday
viscid remnant
puzzle check pvp discord
haughty compass
Went 0-6
viscid remnant
XD
grand mesa
i actually kinda agree tbh
holy priest felt good because it had an answer for all the bullshit we have in SL
stone breach
Kk. Thanks for the reply. My rogue has mostly been playing sub so I was just try...
If your goals are like 1800 or that's only what they know just go for it and play the game tbh
grand mesa
if the other classes had that many tools maybe people would actually find healers in LFG that want to play
idk muchj abotu rsham lmao
viscid remnant
i mean
its legit like
2-3rd highest healing in 3s
like minimum 10% of ur overall healing
stone breach
Rshaman is the easiest kill target of healers by far
The only easier target is RMP holy priests running the rez legendary trying to suicide
And that isn't really a kill
grand mesa
u see the clip i sent?
shadowplay scored a kill on priest and mage
both came back from brez lego and seed
lmao
stray sigil
It just clears and they move?
no i think if ur rolling and someone casts root nothing happenes
but u dont break roots with roll
ur immune during the animatiob
viscid remnant
well
haughty compass
Seems like my push team options are moonkin aff priest or moonkin dk rsham
haughty compass
We press on against all odds
haughty compass
Yea frost seems sick
stone breach
Frost is very good
haughty compass
Aff didn’t feel bad at all either
stone breach
When a healer gets gripped back into the beam 
stone breach
u see the clip i sent?
This is why killing hpriests is bait
grand mesa
necro pulsar starburst just kenker everywhere
haughty compass
Honestly, the clone pvp talent I can’t think of the name because I am dumb is crucial for us
grand mesa
high winds?
haughty compass
Yes lol
grand mesa
the one that sounds like it'd be OP
but then u play it
and it's kinda like meh
as a filler 3rd talent
stone breach
High winds is great, I run it almost always
haughty compass
Idk we lost every game I didn’t use it
grand mesa
melee cleave on the aff?
haughty compass
Just from a peel perspective yea
I would clone warr every spear and it helped a ton
grand mesa
i wish it was a few seconds longer
stone breach
Yeah, if you high winds someone in the CDs, they're first CCd then reduced damage
haughty compass
We beat a 2.7 turbo
grand mesa
it's 4 right
stone breach
I think yeah
grand mesa
i guess it might be nice for those all in ret warriors
stone breach
Even the DR clones give the full duration
grand mesa
who trinket stun on their wings
haughty compass
And just a little@bit of MS for us is huge with lock DMG
Also, if warr reflects
Clone
grand mesa
he still gets high wind?
haughty compass
He still gets the debuffff lol
haughty compass
And the mortal strike with lock dam is crazy
stone breach
No on immuned
grand mesa
ok im sold i take everything back
stone breach
I only ever take the healing one instead
deft parrot
Can anyone confirm, what part 4 set goes on for balance?
stone breach
But rarely
stone breach
Can anyone confirm, what part 4 set goes on for balance?
Any, legs are the worst piece if you can skip one
haughty compass
Starburst feels kinda troll
grand mesa
@viscid remnant what is this guy saying?
haughty compass
Unless it’s blades edge
stone breach
I've never liked starburst but I don't try to do dam between goes
viscid remnant
he has braindamage
stone breach
I'm a cc spammer
haughty compass
Yea that’s the play
viscid remnant
he thinks rsham with lasso and firemage have no counter play in 2s
grand mesa
well alimb gonna limb
haughty compass
I’m a full sender
My dam is usually pretty good
I need to peel more prob
A lot of games I’d snipe healers down
stone breach
Nothing better than cycloning one DPS and rooting the other
And seeing my DK waddle away at low HP
grand mesa
@viscid remnant i don't see how rsham mage would be any harder than rogue mage currently. ooooo 1 minute combusts. we already ahve that. but now we can sit the rsham
grand mesa
with rogue they have like 30s go's
and get buttons every time
not scared if it's just the combust idk
grand mesa
yeah
u see the little ghost raptor running to u
lol i'd outrun that fucker every time
like, we're already ranging grips and abom limb what is 20yd lasso gonna do
viscid remnant
ya
it shows hes clueless
most of the dmg in this game
u can avoid just by being 40 yards away
deft parrot
How is feral doing in bgs btw?
tiny oar
cozy guard aff playstyle gets cozier
grand mesa
ur rake stun is dead
feral aff is dead
we're playing candy crush from 45 yards away now
and push in for 25 yard clones
lmao
then turn on flourish invigorate then nature's vigil and just let the melee kill the other team with our hots love and kindness
from 45 yards away
grand mesa
ya cause no shuffle
maybe play something with tank spec
also
i healed @stray sigil to 1750 on his 267 warlock
or whatever
lmao
soooo it'll be fineeee
viscid remnant
could technically play feral if i grind for wep
but idk
2 braindmged
need somethign for simpleton like dh or hunter
grand mesa
hunter would be easy undergeared
stray sigil
could technically play feral if i grind for wep
do it no balls
viscid remnant
VI
stray sigil
ah true
stray sigil
not that hard is it
viscid remnant
probably not too hard but u know
its a whole playstyle change
im used to 40yard away afk
stray sigil
kenker playstyle
viscid remnant
Like idk on healer im 40 yard away
I can pay more attention to awareness shit and predicting goes
On feral would be diff cuz idk the rotation at all
grand mesa
would be staring @ ur action bars
ya
i wish there were seperrate MMRs for roles on hybrid classes
viscid remnant
Ye
grand mesa
they're long games
the higher u go
it's tedious
like that rogue in pvp discord wants to play and idm at all
but playing with outlaw
zzzZZZzzzzz
RIP for david
stray sigil
stone breach
Aw, all my extra accounts don't get slands
grand mesa
All the EU guys gonna take free offer to play Na where game isn’t dead
And they’ll bring their tryhard bullshit over here 
haughty compass
Bring the pain
Every really good player I lose to I learn a little bit. Maybe one day I’ll be actually good
haughty compass
Lmao attacked
stone breach
Learning is a crutch, just press root beam
haughty compass
Defensively I’m so much better than I used to be
grand mesa
Skyfuries don’t stand a chance with me
stray sigil
better to not rely on wa
grand mesa
Idk WA ain’t going anywhere
viscid remnant
Like i played with someone
Monk rando procced bonedust
I was like ur going to die run away
He was like how u know
And he died 2 sec later
grand mesa
Lmaooo
viscid remnant
Hero or yes
stray sigil
I have the robot talker thing
grand mesa
That’s the thing man
viscid remnant
That i notice more
viscid remnant
Kinda iguess
grand mesa
Everyone has shit on losa for years saying it reduces awareness. But everyone also trying to play like tournament players with no addons and track buffs on focus frames or some shit. And now everyone uses WAs anyway lol
viscid remnant
Yeppers
grand mesa
That i notice more
It’s the same thing
Just one is audio and one is visual
All I know is id get sheeped or poly’d way more. Or would have to resort to having a giant focus cast bar in middle of my screen which also reduces awareness 😂😂😂
stray sigil
idk its more like
if the addon doesnt get updated
all of u are gonna have - awareness
so why
clear pulsar
Feji is full of shit takes qhat u expect man
grand mesa
Yeah it sucks being addon WA dependent
But I’ve been looking at how they do it and been making my own
grand mesa
Yeah
viscid remnant
Like
grand mesa
And clutter your screen
viscid remnant
Thats just worse yeah
grand mesa
Or just have audio tell u
Cause it’s not like looking at cast bars tell you who they’re polying
You just have to know it’s you
Same with audio and hearing poly
Idk
stray sigil
Feji is full of shit takes qhat u expect man
how is it a shit take lol
grand mesa
I don’t think it’s a shit take
I just disagree
A lot of people have that opinion
They also think it dumbs down the game
You hear air horn you press defensive
stray sigil
idk to me its like
people are lazy to learn the game
i dont need a air horn to see mage combusted
or ret popd wings
or tide is up
viscid remnant
But u play play with big debuffs probably
And some kind of plater addon
Flyplate or what wv
Ev
grand mesa
Well I think
Mage bust and ret wings
Are good design
Cause it’s super obvious
But how the heck do you know rogue shadow blades or hunter dbl tap or whatever without big debuffs on nameplate
viscid remnant
Idk ppl that cope about certain addons should play with no addons at all
That pretty hypocritical imo
stray sigil
And some kind of plater addon
na i use basic nameplates
grand mesa
Like a lot of these incredibly impactful abilities have little to no visual silhouette
So u have to buff track on target/focus frame
viscid remnant
Can barely see buffs/debuffs
grand mesa
I was watching tbc and enemies have like 4-5 debuffs
grand mesa
So much less clutter from random borrowed power procs
stone breach
Everyone has shit on losa for years saying it reduces awareness. But everyone al...
I hear poly, I press a form 
stray sigil
just need bigdebuffs
viscid remnant
How are u suppised to tell from shitty little icons
stone breach
BigDebuffs always broke for me
grand mesa
and 3 of them arre permas dogshit like more ixp from quests
I’m sure I made some no addon purist Mald
Cause he was trying to figure out my vantus rune buff
😂😂😂
viscid remnant
Like u have to know
Every important debuff
Imagine u are clueless
And dispel without know what ua is for example
stray sigil
theres really not that many debuffs
viscid remnant
Yes there are lol
stray sigil
i mean ua isnt a robot thing
grand mesa
There are some random ones I have to like. Go to my covenant tree and figure out wtf it is
stray sigil
doesnt matter
viscid remnant
Ofc
grand mesa
Like the random dreamweaver one
viscid remnant
Its a big debuff thing
grand mesa
And niya burrs
stone breach
theres really not that many debuffs
Tell me you can identify the warlock life drain damage reduction debuff. I dare you
grand mesa
I can
stray sigil
yes lol
grand mesa
But that’s because I went into big debuffs and added it as a priority dispel
stray sigil
itrs a white icon
grand mesa
So it shows up as big as UA
stray sigil
i dont need to worry bout it but i notice it anyways
if u dont constantly watch ur debuffs
kinda sus
grand mesa
36% less damage
Super shitty
Soul rot cleaves that essence drain
Both your dps do 40% less damage
And probably dying too
viscid remnant
Poe spell
grand mesa
Good game
viscid remnant
Kek
lime light
its magic debuff just dispel )
grand mesa
Yes
lime light
drain yes
viscid remnant
Cool
lime light
but u a;lso dispel ua and die
viscid remnant
Ye
lime light
but its the less painfull way
stray sigil
I can dispel that shit off my teammate
its a debuff only when he presses drain of life on u
so i suppose during soul rot
can be on both
not quite sure
grand mesa
Yes
It can do that
It’s just kinda weird now cause I’m not exactly sure what I’m supposed to be dispelling at any given moment and what my dps should be kicking lol
stray sigil
kick uas
dense edge
if i dont have 291 unity should i just use conq gear
viscid remnant
Nev seen that
stray sigil
i hate having to uh
make it option
or rather
some bars are just mirrors
of other bars
triggers me
so i just made my own addon
grand mesa
Of scripts right
stray sigil
but i dont recall the script
viscid remnant
U can hide them though
stray sigil
ye
no honor bar
appears no matrter waht
oh u mean in dominos
ye
my ui better this way
viscid remnant
u do u
viscid remnant
panzer
viscid remnant
didnt merce help the miestro
stray sigil
wrong
viscid remnant
crazy
stray sigil
mw is not even bad i n2s
stray sigil
i mean ye
it is a pve styleh ealer
does nothing
most cringe gameplay
its bear aff rdru
same thing
viscid remnant
similar ya
stray sigil
nop wonder u like mw
viscid remnant
on druid u can spam clone and root
stray sigil
viscid remnant
mw got nothing
viscid remnant
idk i like it in 3s in 2s its too much afk even for me
ya it has cc not spammable
viscid remnant
not rly
its like 30sec or 20sec cd
and u cant hit it without another cc before anyway
stray sigil
wrong 420 no scope it
grand mesa
In my day we used to lead our rockets in quake based on how the players were moving
Just do the same thing with song of chiji
viscid remnant
grand mesa
Why flame @haughty compass randomly@like that
MW just looks like rdru but worse
Idk
viscid remnant
yeah
the only thing better is mana
but as rdru u drink so easy
so its kinda same shiat
haughty compass
Wait hang on a sec
haughty compass
Wonder if I’ll be able to try evoker this week. 
haughty compass
I’ve never played a beta. Always mained Druid. 95% chance of rerolling... I want to try the new class
Get that muscle memory down
stray sigil
wouldnt u rather experience it first time on release
haughty compass
Prob, still want to get a head start and at least try
First season pvp is always lit
haughty compass
Maybe the play style is shitty and I don’t do it who knows
haughty compass
We’ll see, as of now Druid will stay balance
grand mesa
wouldnt u rather experience it first time on release
No I want to know the game as much as possible ahead of time
edgy shale
i like knowing wats in next xpac but i think ppl that go outta their way to spam the alpha are unhinged and ruining df for themselves
haughty compass
Yo I just wanna try the new class I might be playing lol
edgy shale
edgy shale
stray sigil
No I want to know the game as much as possible ahead of time
real ?
edgy shale
lol just keep it
stray sigil
idk i cant play beta
i want to go in new zones
fresh
thats the best part
of new expacs launch
stray sigil
start of sl
grand mesa
Fun fact I used to do the new dailies on PTR so I would kinda know how to do them on patch launch already and not run around aimlessly 😂
grand mesa
I hate it
stray sigil
doing m0s for the first time
grand mesa
Gotta level max asap
stray sigil
1st week of getting gear
grand mesa
So you can do m0 world tour
viscid remnant
Everyone tryharding for gear that is replaced in a month
stray sigil
always the most fun
grand mesa
Before reset
grand mesa
Maybe I handle DF different
viscid remnant
Idk
Iwanna q arena
Not worry about some weird shit
Like pve is cool in short bursts
But nah
edgy shale
bruuug
stray sigil
bruuug
i want to raid maybe next xpac
too late for me this one
but finding a guild
grand mesa
oh?
viscid remnant
Its cancer
grand mesa
It’s easy to guild hop your way up until you’re comfy
grand mesa
Just blast and don’t be a dumbass
viscid remnant
Ya feji cuz
stray sigil
theres no shot im not better than mythic raiders
i play vs actual players
not npcs
grand mesa
Mythic raiders is a broad term
stray sigil
i have an edge
viscid remnant
90% of pvers are cracksmoking dungbeetle lookalike peasants
grand mesa
Big difference between RWF guys HOF guys and the NPCs in my guild
stray sigil
i couldnt rwf
edgy shale
yea do u mean hof players or 2/10 M guilds lol
stray sigil
im not an npc
edgy shale
feji hof is tryhard as fuck
grand mesa
But they’d Shit on the average 3/10M guild
grand mesa
No shot
edgy shale
u would mess up once, they scream at u, get benched, then u would start crying
grand mesa
If feral is the worst spec they bring a balance or an rdruid
viscid remnant
Feji try doing a m+ half ur grp will be clueless cant press their buttons thats avg pver
stray sigil
no shot i cry lol
edgy shale
those ppl are unhinged
grand mesa
Pvers think pvpers are condiments
stray sigil
im actually
a bit sad
that in uh
sinful i actualyl sold my 2nd druid
i coulda flexed harder
rip fujibigdam
stray sigil
Pvers think pvpers are condiments
funny
cuz its def the opposite
im sure a full r1 group
could clear mythic raids
faster
if they took the time to learn shit
100p
grand mesa
No shot
stray sigil
no doubt in my mind
edgy shale
ppl like trill literally do both
grand mesa
Idk I think pvers and pvpers are dumb in different ways
stray sigil
random mythic raiders vs r1 lpayers who learn mythic raid
def r1 will be better
no shot
not even close
grand mesa
Again mythic raider is such a broad term
haughty compass
In my experience with mythic raiding, the person leading the raid largely shows how successful the team will be.
stray sigil
i think r1 lpayers that try
could do hof
the ppl in ur guild
some of them
could absolutely not
haughty compass
Mythic raiding isn’t hard, sorry
haughty compass
I’m with you
grand mesa
Ehhh I think they’re diff skill sets
haughty compass
The fights can be you simply following the addons commands
But I will say, when I got into higher end pve, it made me a better pvper
stray sigil
follow dbm/was
haughty compass
Being able to maximize dps and do mechanics takes practice
grand mesa
Idk if average pvper can do big dam and do mechanics at the same time and not die
stray sigil
ye im saying
good pvper will take less time
to actually mastert the mechanics
not that they are instantly better
haughty compass
I’ve seen good raiders get into pvp and hit glad pretty quick too
Some people built diff
stone breach
4x CE player here, never been duelist before last season, got my first glad
haughty compass
Dude I know was an rsham. 98+ parser always
Goes on and hits 2600 in 2s and 3s in legion
stone breach
I'm like 10x rival
haughty compass
First pvp seaso since tbc
grand mesa
I mean insane players are insane players
stray sigil
i mean some ppl are gonna be good in pvp and will never get to play
grand mesa
Like trill
stray sigil
i never plaeyd any 3s before corrupted
and got to 3k almost insta
pve is good to like learn ur buttons
haughty compass
Yea I think every pvper who wants to be good has to try a little pve too.
grand mesa
Idk I think mythic raiding is easy. Just flat CE raiding too. But HOF is diff
stone breach
The vast majority of the pvpers I know don't have nearly the grit, desire, time to pull a mythic end tier boss 400 times
Getting CE is more about intangibles than skill
grand mesa
You’re fighting way harder versions of the boss and have to be efficient as fuck and prep like crazy. Like my guild is routinely CE at this point. And there’s no shot we’d have killed pre nerf halondrus
With 10s bombs
We’d still be pulling to this day
stone breach
Halondrus nerf pissed me off so much
We were progging the 2nd intermission. A clean lust burn from the kill
stray sigil
idk i def think i could do it
grand mesa
Like getting HOF is like hitting doing really early glad
stray sigil
but it doesnt matter i wouldnt get into a hof group anyways
grand mesa
I’m sure you could do it if you put time into it because I think you’re generically a good player
But I don’t think it has anything to do with you being good at pvp first
haughty compass
The commitment for me was just what got me out of it
I have a family and a job. Lol
haughty compass
I hate telling my kids I’m “busy” with a freaking game
stray sigil
But I don’t think it has anything to do with you being good at pvp first
prob nto but being good at pvp def doesnt hurt doing pve
grand mesa
Most tiers
tropic schooner
The vast majority of the pvpers I know don't have nearly the grit, desire, time ...
I've had a multi glad/R1 lock in my guild at some poiny
haughty compass
8/10 times I’m doing arena, I stop because my son wants to show me something or whatever.
Just more important
tropic schooner
He was absolute dogshit in raid
There were several vods by ziqo being very bad in pve too
Loads of pvpers are bad in pve
haughty compass
I see the point for sure
stray sigil
nop
tropic schooner
But the skills you need in PvP and pve are different
tropic schooner
Like accepting your teammates make mistakes and not tilt cause of it is more a thing in pve
For example
stray sigil
k so peoples skill
haughty compass
Like accepting your teammates make mistakes and not tilt cause of it is more a t...
Actually a solid point.
grand mesa
Ive played with some brainiacs who I know were way way way smarter than me and could diagnose exactly what’s going wrong in a fight strat the implications of how changing one small thing will play out in later phases
And it just blew my mind how well they understood the fights
Those guys are all HOF now
tropic schooner
Not thinking you are the only person which matters/letting your raid members carry you on some bosses and stop your ego
haughty compass
Not thinking you are the only person which matters/letting your raid members car...
Fuji out
grand mesa
Just insanely smart players that can see a fight in ways I can’t
stone breach
i dont like voicing
Most players who get into raiding struggle when the wipe counts start to get higher.
Not even pvpers, tons of great m+ players shut down once they've spent 2 weeks straight wiping to the same mechanic on a boss
grand mesa
I’m your typical follow the raid lead follow the WA follow the ERT note kinda guy
tropic schooner
Also respecting the content is prolly the biggest thing I've noticed
grand mesa
Most players who get into raiding struggle when the wipe counts start to get hig...
It was especially bad in sepulcher
tropic schooner
Loads of pvpers are like this is easy how can we wipe
stone breach
Pvpers are also mega inefficient in their casting
tropic schooner
And tilt cause if that believe
stone breach
So much downtime
tropic schooner
Also ofc doesn't apply to everyone
stone breach
Pvpers don't keep their globals rolling
tropic schooner
The person I specifically f
Remember pumped well
Just had 0 movement
And always died
safe heart
I feel like pve'rs don't understand defensives
tropic schooner
Depends
stone breach
Hall of Fame
tropic schooner
With some pvers I played PvP with I noticed they used Def CDs when people looked at them funny
tropic schooner
And just wasted them
stone breach
In pve there's definitely more of an emphasis on not holding your defensives
tropic schooner
And I'd expect the reverse to be true that pvpers tend to want to use defensives reactivly
stone breach
You'll be flamed for dying with the defensive off CD