It is not a good idea to macro it to convoke. You are essentially wasting it (convoke doesn’t benefit from it) for the duration of convoke and generally you don’t need to overlap big cds. You want to, typically, space your cds out to handle different events rather than double up
#resto
graceful ermine
You really just want to use it manually. There’s not really anything that it makes a ton of sense to always pair it with.
You could maybe macro it with ns and that wouldn’t be completely wasteful
The logic being that you are probably using ns whenever you are in trouble and ns won’t handle a big situation on its own. But this is definitely still not recommended as there are plenty of spots where you just need to ns someone who made a mistake or took a bolt or whatever and you won’t get much value from the trinket
surreal jungle
OK, thanks. So, should I try to just maximize my trinket uptime for combat/healing?
graceful ermine
Are you asking about m+ or raid here? The answers probably differ
I was assuming m+ but realized you didn’t specify
surreal jungle
both
graceful ermine
Okay well for m+ you aren’t so much trying to maximize uptime. You are using it to fill gaps where you need extra throughput without committing a bigger cd (convoke/tranq)
I will let someone else answer for raid because I’m not sure how you play that trinket in raid
surreal jungle
Got it, thanks! That's definitely helped me already. If anyone else has any more input, I'd love to hear it. I enjoy optimizing and understanding things like this.
If I understand correctly and think about it again, the best approach isn't necessarily to maximize uptime, but rather to anticipate when there will be periods of high healing demand and focus the trinket use there. For example, when AOE burst damage hits, etc. (without convoke?)
graceful ermine
Yeah. Although generally if you plan correctly convoke/tranq can handle all of those spots. More realistically the trinket is a backup cd for when things go wrong
surreal jungle
kk
graceful ermine
Alternately you can just send it for damage sometimes
mystic mulch
When should I use the emberwing feather?
surreal jungle
That's what we were just writing about. you should read the messages above this one. Between Banewlf and me 🙂
mystic mulch
That's what we were just writing about. you should read the messages above this ...
thx
hallow fractal
who do lifebloom and symbiotic go on in keys?
glossy brook
Whoever needs it I think, re: lifebloom
Often things like mage Aug ww in my experience
People who will soak a mechanic ex: ambush in algethar
As for symbiotic, I would like to know the answer from somebody better as well, because like
I usually just throw it on the tank
Which is probably bad
wise galleon
I put it on whom I think I will keep lifebloom on the most because they will probably get more healing
Some dungeons don't require to move the lifebloom too much either, I just don't think symbiotic has a big impact anwyays
spark river
You will be moving lifebloom between the tank and the squishy dps in keys
Its going to be mostly on tank
spark river
Because most of the time the majority of the damage is on the tank and its pointless keeping it on dps when there isnt group wide damage at that moment
thorn whale
Every key I do the tank takes zdps
Every key i do the tank gets fking oneshot
wise galleon
ye some pulls really are tank busters. I should really improve which pulls those are because I know a couple but about tank busters I kinda ignore the whole array of stuff
I'll try playing guardian a bit so I get to understand the dungeons better
But if you ask me whatever dungeon: I can't tell you which mobs damage tank the most and what debuffs they apply
glossy brook
Every key i do the tank gets fking oneshot
Ye figured it's a key difficulty nuance that I don't experience which is why I asked
marsh prism
I'm nuance
onyx trail
I'm nuance
theres a store on my way to work called nuance and i think of u every time i pass by it 
glossy brook
Hi nuance thank you for being you
proven phoenix
nuance was a really annoying player in bdg
I always associate that name with him now
somber cove
I play with a vdh most of the time, and sometimes with a prot paladin so my lb is almost always on them. Otherwise I'd say it depends on the tank. I wouldn't put it on a bear if I ever were to play with one as an rdruid. Monks wouldn't get it either. With the others I would probably switch it between a DPS and and the tank.
proven phoenix
its just contextual I think
for any tank
my lb is on tanks by default but on heavy aoe damage, fire phase crawth etc its always on dps
haughty ibex
99% of bosses tank doesn’t need lb tho
proven phoenix
yeah true
livid hearth
99% of bosses tank doesn’t need lb tho
My friend who learned resto before me said in 12 and lower keys or sometimes higher too tanks need to click degensive on maisara first boss on 1 mechanic which they dont and they take huge dmg.
So after rolling resto i hold lb on maisara first boss. Idk if its right tho
spark river
You should have your lb on tank at all times unless you think that your squishy dps is in danger
thorn whale
@proven phoenix
proven phoenix
john blizzard is keeping you down
spark river
How are you not timing keys on monk man
thorn plover
GM
fervent mica
why am i not allowed to time keys
dps let a shadowbolt go off during blueberry pulse in mt right before the squid... had like 15 mins left on that 21. i got insta'd, group dead before bres ):
haughty ibex
My friend who learned resto before me said in 12 and lower keys or sometimes hig...
i mean that boss is literally free both for tank and dps, there is literally one mechanic for tank and one for dps so
stable verge
Generaly speaking I find maisara to be more tank-heavy than dps-heavy when it comes to damage so I put the lb on tank and forget about him
With minor exceptions on some packs or boss
wise galleon
I love mc there is no random double ass bleed that ticks for 3mil dmg
haughty ibex
dont u love heal absorb into 5x spear casts 😻
proven phoenix
maisara caverns is probably the worst dungeon this season
ivory roost
Nexus point is not more hps heavy?
Or ita just a mechanic issue.
Everytime I do nexus the both wings are hps heavy
haughty ibex
maisara caverns is probably the worst dungeon this season
is kinda chill
spark river
maisara caverns is probably the worst dungeon this season
respectfully no
proven phoenix
the first half of the dungeon is complete cbt
the second half doesnt do anything
none of the bosses do anything
just awful
thorn whale
How are you not timing keys on monk man
alright i timed 22 seat lets go
spark river
alright i timed 22 seat lets go
a crashout is needed for a high key to be timed
noted
I like this dungeon pool a lot. Nothing feels like too big of a burden to play.
spark river
seat has high hps requirements, but i d rather play it than floodgate or priory from last season as an example
thorn whale
think 3rd boss seat just has high everything requirement
high rng on spawns
high dps requirement to kill
spark river
i think season 2 is going to be living hell unless they hard nerf some of the dungeons
thorn plover
I think 3rd boss seat is hardest m+ boss this season, and it's not really close
But I'm doing baby keys
spark river
I agree with that yeah
thorn plover
Actually I'm not doing any keys
marsh prism
🍙
radiant narwhal
guys I am shitfaced.
I’m assuming uni went well?
marsh prism
my professor got me drunk (FINE) (NOT DEROGATORY)
silk ice
dry belfry
my professor got me drunk (FINE) (NOT DEROGATORY)
hi drunk i’m swirl
stable verge
I like this dungeon pool a lot. Nothing feels like too big of a burden to play.
I hate Skyreach
Dunnow why, I rarely fail them but god damn
proper scarab
Have 7 rolls left to use, and trying to balance gear for both resto and balance. Where should i send them?
(staff was from vault so a bonus roll still has a chance to get duplicate from Nexus)
spark river
You cant really balance the gear as balance doesnt play high haste and no crit
You need to gear for your main role and then you can switch up some gear for off spec
proper scarab
ah gotcha, then i guess focusing on resto as that's what my main spec i want to play is. what would be the best for bonus rolls?
I assume cloak and wrists will probably be crafted slots with arcanoweave right?
spark river
It depends on your loot. There is a great cloak from dragons and a great wrist from academy, but you still need to have the embellishment somewhere. I have it on boots and wrist.
Nexus point is great for bonus rolling, but I also suggest pugging myth dreamrift to bonus roll gaze
proper scarab
Yeah i thought about Gaze, but idk that i'd even get into groups. they're so cut throat with applications
spark river
Yeah you ll need at least 280 to get in a pug
But doing even heroic dreamrift and heroic crown are great upgrades for you now
You wouldnt bonus roll those obviously
proper scarab
Would Seat be a bad dungeon to roll on? there's basically every slot of gear available (that can be used for catalysts), but neck/rings/trinkets are all meh
spark river
Seat has a lot of vers stuff that we dont use. Its good if you can get a piece you can catalyze
sick lintel
If I were you I'd be rolling on Windrunner to get rid of those trinkets
Heart of Wind would do a lot for you. Emberwing isn't horrible either
proper scarab
oh right, forgot about my shit trinkets xD
It also has shoulders and chest that can be catalized
spark river
Myth gaze and myth how should be your trinket goals if you dont raid much
proper scarab
if i don't raid as much, would coach's whistle be a good alternative to use?
I'm just planning for the worst if i can never get into mythic raids to get gaze
sick lintel
Emberwing Feather is better than coach whistle but whistle will do for awhile
stable verge
if i don't raid as much, would coach's whistle be a good alternative to use?
Sure but do know the gap with gaze is tremendous
Even heroic gaze
That trinket is busted
sick lintel
Yeah you really should just try to get gaze at all costs
proper scarab
Yeah i've experienced that first hand on my warlock lol it's a stupid trinket
sick lintel
Chimaerus isn't that bad even on mythic
proper scarab
Chimaerus isn't that bad even on mythic
yeah it's just getting accepted into a group at 270 ilvl
stable verge
Go for the heroic one then, I still run that and hot damn
you still get a 285 one after all
sick lintel
yeah it's just getting accepted into a group at 270 ilvl
Just start your own. People mostly know what to do at this point. All you gotta do is set up the groups and pick rescuers
spark river
Well get your other gear up first
And you ll be 280 and then someone will accept you
proper scarab
I'll use 5 of my 7 to get my gear up and save 2 rolls to try to get a mythic chim roll
sick lintel
solid plan
proper scarab
thanks for the help yall!
thorn plover
Unethical LPT: keep all the useless gear you bonus roll and equip it while you apply to groups, then put your proper gear back on
Fake it til you make it
hasty flume
Oh Skyreach, oh key I need
On first boss, why must they feed
The bird is one, he is alone
Chakram deaths, I do thus moan
thick talon
doesnt lfg show ur bag item level anyway instead of equipped?
thorn plover
I don't think so
rustic copper
Yes it does
vital patrol
most of the time in Raidung mytic i put LB on the tank, but i think it can also be on me or someone who has most ppl around him because of Lifetrading, am i right? its not just simply plain always on Tank?
rustic copper
It should 100% always be on yourself
And every swiftmend cast should also be on yourself
It’s very bad to do otherwise
vital patrol
oh okay, no stupid why on me if i dont get as much dmg as a tank?
rustic copper
Because you have healing modifiers that boost everbloom healing
vital patrol
okay understood, in m+ its also that way?
rustic copper
Nope
vital patrol
ok there its tank or the one who gets the dmg atm, y?
last question 🙂
After swiftmend in Raid, then Revju? Wildgrowth on CD anyway
rustic copper
last question 🙂
After swiftmend in Raid, then Revju? Wildgrowth on CD anyway
Usually use on rejuv but regrowth can be situationally good, it’s less mana efficient but can give you a strong burst, wg depends on your mana, most long fights if you wg on cd you’ll oom
vital patrol
thx, i feel now better :=)
hardy veldt
I had a dream last time that restro druid can apply rejuvenation on 2 targets at a time, just like balance druid applies moonfire to mobs.
hearty coral
Twin Rejuv go brr
vital patrol
I had a dream last time that restro druid can apply rejuvenation on 2 targets at...
you was probaly in the soul of forest
thorn plover
I had a dream last time that restro druid can apply rejuvenation on 2 targets at...
Wait til you find out it applies to 3 at a time
regal plover
cloud gale
Is it better to always have lifebloom on the tank or move it from target to target?
fervent mica
in m+? whoever needs healing
cloud gale
in m+? whoever needs healing
ok ty
hardy veldt
Is it better to always have lifebloom on the tank or move it from target to targ...
I like to put it on myself unless the tank is a prot pal. Then move it around to dps that needs healing.
haughty ibex
I like to put it on myself unless the tank is a prot pal. Then move it around to...
why specifically prot palas
what if it’s a prot warr
or a vdh
foggy flame
Hey guys quick question! does convoke when healing heals people at random or prioritize target? currently having some bad time when convoking in a M+ for a key and it feels like is not healing properly
fervent mica
just rng
shut barn
anyone know if you can change loot spec before bonus rolling and still see whats gone from the pool etc?
rustic copper
I’m not 100% sure but I think the way it works is the tooltip doesn’t change based on what loot spec you’re in but you can change after killing the boss and it’ll roll for the lootspec you are when you click the roll button
shut barn
ah damn, yea cos i did some runs on my aug to farm pit as theres hella bis there, realised i had loot specced as pres the entire time
sage gust
Whats everyones typical overheal % on say a 17/18 key? Im sitting at like 50%, but often feel that if i dont keep rejuv's up and prehots rolling, I cant deal with all of the unexpected damage coming throughout the dungeon.
spark river
That doesnt matter
inner sonnet
rather safe than sorry
fervent mica
unexpected damage?
grand herald
Yeah, unexpected damage is the worrying part of your question
Most damage should be quite expected
stable verge
Whats everyones typical overheal % on say a 17/18 key? Im sitting at like 50%, b...
Sure 40-50%, but as said already, doesn't matter
grizzled seal
anyone know if you can change loot spec before bonus rolling and still see whats...
Change loot spec, reload and check the tooltip
sage gust
Unexpected damage as in missed kicks, late interrrupts (on firehawks in ws for example). On top of people not using defensives requiring additional healing, etc.
I ask about overhealing just because i feel like I go OOM and slow down the group a bit more often than I'd like so trying to work on being more mana efficient.
shut barn
Change loot spec, reload and check the tooltip
thank you sir
fervent mica
theres very little correlation between over healing and ooming in m+. you should almost never need to drink, especially not in the 17/18 range
make better use of your sotf procs and cheap regrowths
sage gust
Ha, i'm doing somethign very inneficient then b/c i'm full drinking 2-3 times
spark river
You are almost certainly overcasting rejuvenations
sage gust
Thanks for the input. I'll focus on paying attention to that.
grand herald
Unexpected damage as in missed kicks, late interrrupts (on firehawks in ws for e...
Yeah, sounds like you are over worrying really
pine torrent
Do u guys know if we have a priority of casting rewroths on specific type of targets while everyone is close to 100%? Is it better to cast to targets which already have HOTs or better to use that moment of no damage to ramp it to no HOT targets
grand herald
Most failed kicks are either going to one shot, or not matter unless another damage event is happening
rustic copper
Do u guys know if we have a priority of casting rewroths on specific type of tar...
You want to dry to spread the hots out for nb value, pandemic refreshing regrowth hots is also acceptable
bright swift
huh...
wary belfry
there is nothing to figure out
logger was lagging or whatever and all the events got compressed
thorn plover
Yeah watch replay, it's all sped up
wary belfry
its not uncommon, wcl just purges those whenever they are reported